The writers keep hurting Chloe

[jimmyolsenblues]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

[27CDruid]

Stuff happens to good people and karma doesnt exist. The shows realistic in that way ;)

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Or some Clois fans Voodoo doll is really working!:lol:

[27CDruid]

Or some Clois fans Voodoo doll is really working!:lol:

If voodoo worked then PS3 would have bent to my demands of allicia being reintroduced!

Ach ya cant blame it on cloisers. Some of them like Chloe, just not chlark.

[jobookjunkie]

If voodoo worked then PS3 would have bent to my demands of allicia being reintroduced!

Ach ya cant blame it on cloisers. Some of them like Chloe, just not chlark.

Yeah I was hoping for Alicia to come back after season 4 but here didn't they go and kill her off....I think I'll go and find my AlMiles voodoo doll, I havn't used it in a while...How would that work though, if they tried to reintroduce her? (I was one of the few people who cheered when she was mentioned in that episode with Wes Keenan in it!)

[27CDruid]

Death is a fairly unfinal thing in supes universe. They could bring her back via changing the course of time or some simple resurrection magic/technology.

[jobookjunkie]

Death is a fairly unfinal thing in supes universe. They could bring her back via changing the course of time or some simple resurrection magic/technology.

Or they could do the whole Dr. Who 'timey-wimey-wibbly-wobbly' thing...there was a Children in Need special last year where the 10th Doctor met the 5th Doctor, I can't remember how, though technically they were both in the their own 'present', if you see what I mean. Or maybe if Clark asked Jor-El very nicely? :lol:

[Bizarrolover]

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

there are no good days in Smallville, this is a sci-fi drama. Now that they retired Lana from being the target of stalkers and murderers, it became Chloe's turn. Why have a show about a hero if there is no one to save?

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Now that they retired Lana from being the target of stalkers and murderers, it became Chloe's turn. Why have a show about a hero if there is no one to save?

I love the way you say retired, as if that was her only job on smallville.:lol:

[Jaderoyale]

Ach ya cant blame it on cloisers. Some of them like Chloe, just not chlark.

Exactly.
Thanks for stating that :)

[jobookjunkie]

Lana Lang's CV: The centre of An Evil Plot at least 140 times out of 150+ episodes. The number of times that this is her fault - 0. The number of times that it is EVERYBODY else's fault - at least 140.

[BULLITT]

Writers own the show.
That's why the actors need to drop by their offices, every now and then, with a brown paper-bag filled with medium-sized denominations.

20s, 50s...

;)

[Kalista]

Nice post jimmyolsenblues. I have never seen a character so unworthy of mistreatment be treated like Chloe. You make some excellent points and that tells me that something good an unexpected is in store for Chloe.

[davidbrenton]

If voodoo worked then PS3 would have bent to my demands of allicia being reintroduced!

Ach ya cant blame it on cloisers. Some of them like Chloe, just not chlark.

Well said.

[Jeta]

Yeah, poor Chloe... what's the next? Maybe they delete her memories...:D

[theotherJane]

I don't mean for this to be mean spirited, but some characters are created to be tragic heroes/heroines. Chloe is one of those characters.

[OneShotClois]

If voodoo worked then PS3 would have bent to my demands of allicia being reintroduced!

Ach ya cant blame it on cloisers. Some of them like Chloe, just not chlark.

Thank you. I'm a Cloiser, and I like Chloe. I just don't like Chloe and Clark.. as a couple. :)

[dcmarriott]

I don't think Chloe's been treated any worse than the other characters. Lana was the target of numerous stalkers, was possessed by a witch, and turned into a vampire. Lex has been repeatedly shot. Jonathan has had a heart attack, been in a coma, had a house collapse on him, and finally died. Martha has been trapped in a silo, infected with a deadly virus, been held hostage a few times, and had a house collapse on her. Pete was beaten up by the FBI, ate radioactive gum and moved to Wichita. Lois has been shot, stabbed, drowned, and forced to go on many bad dates. For a resident of Smallville, I think Chloe's gotten off pretty lightly.

[SnowBird]

Yes, poor Chloe (NOT) and very boring if nothing ever happened to her. When Allison was interviewed she said this season was going to be dark and I didn't hear any complaints from her about it. I think it must be fun for her as an actor to stretch her acting abilities, but poor Chloe since she has an interesting story line this season.

[wolverine316]

Yes, poor Chloe (NOT) and very boring if nothing ever happened to her. When Allison was interviewed she said this season was going to be dark and I didn't hear any complaints from her about it. I think it must be fun for her as an actor to stretch her acting abilities, but poor Chloe since she has an interesting story line this season.


Thank you. It is not like other characters on the show (Lana for one) haven't been through their own hell.

[BULLITT]

I don't mean for this to be mean spirited, but some characters are created to be tragic heroes/heroines. Chloe is one of those characters.


In life, as well.

[TWLOVER03]

I don't think Chloe's been treated any worse than the other characters. Lana was the target of numerous stalkers, was possessed by a witch, and turned into a vampire. Lex has been repeatedly shot. Jonathan has had a heart attack, been in a coma, had a house collapse on him, and finally died. Martha has been trapped in a silo, infected with a deadly virus, been held hostage a few times, and had a house collapse on her. Pete was beaten up by the FBI, ate radioactive gum and moved to Wichita. Lois has been shot, stabbed, drowned, and forced to go on many bad dates. For a resident of Smallville, I think Chloe's gotten off pretty lightly.



I had to laugh :rotfl:
that was hysterical and really true!

[RedKRules]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

Thanks for pointing this out !!! as a Chloe fan I am sick of the constant *Let´s kick Chloe in the teeth every freaking season * .... but before there were silver lining and this season I see none ..... I am really nervous about this episode!

[jimmyolsenblues]

I don't mean for this to be mean spirited, but some characters are created to be tragic heroes/heroines. Chloe is one of those characters.

I agree...yes tragic characters date back to Ancient Greek times. But a greek play is what 2 hours...I have spent 8 years watching chloe....throw me and chloe a bone or a beer of happiness....do you know what I mean?
writers....give me a glimmer of sunshine through the rain....please.

[RedKalEL]

this is true i rememeber in commencement whe the poor girl couldn't even get her dilpolma before the army truck came to annoce the metor shower

[Estro-gen X]

Writers own the show.
That's why the actors need to drop by their offices, every now and then, with a brown paper-bag filled with medium-sized denominations.

20s, 50s...

;)

Producers put an end to this practice hence the writers strike:rotfl:

[Malicieux Toutou]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.

It's not as if Chloe is unique in this way. Clark, Lana, and Lex have all experienced one tragedy after another on this show. Lois is the only one who has had it relatively easy thus far.

[eas]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

Hhmm... I'm not sure I agree with this. Well, at least, not on the surface.

Has Chloe had bad days? Absolutely. Has she gotten smacked around a bit and had bad things happen to her? Sure. But what character on "SV" hasn't??? I think, honestly, Lana has had WAY worse than Chloe, to tell you the truth.

Chloe has accomplished a lot over the years and has always managed to come out ahead. She was a successful person in high school, with a group of good friends. She had a momentary flirtation with being a horrible person, re-thought it, and came out roses in the end (she's now BFFs with the guy she betrayed). She's taken down more bad guys than a person can count. When her dorm burned down, she had a cousin who loved her to crash with... and then she promptly took over the place. She got a job at her dream company and then when she had to leave, she kind of didn't even care... because she had re-focussed her attentions on something else by that point. When she did change her priorities, her best friend had an empty seat - as the head of a compnay - just sitting there and waiting for her to fill. (No unemployment for her... at least, not that long.) She knows how to hack into government mainframes and even when she was kidnapped, she had a whole Justice League looking for her, as well as her boyfriend, cousin, and - ultimately - Superman. All of these people would have given their lives for her. She has a fiance who adores her - clearly - and she loves him back. She has a best friend with super-powers who loves her and looks out for her in every opportunity. She has an older cousin who give her life for her, in a heart beat, and is like a sister to her. She's smart, healthy, pretty and is much universally adored. Even Doomsday is smitten with her.... (In "Abyss", the theme was "Chloe is awesome" and every character said about 10 times.)

So... how is she being crapped on, again? I mean, let's compare this to -- shall we say -- Lois... who has never had a bunch of people just standing around and talking about how awesome and smart she is. She had an arc where they had her have an affair with her boss - and she's not even in every episode!! Her arc is so limited that she gets screwed on character development. (She is awesome and smart, but the show usually plays it up at Lois's expense... not on anybody else.) And she doesn't even get to be in every episode Or Lana... who had a WITCH arc, had every boyfriend DIE on her (after they turned evil) and was married to Lex Luthor, while being pregnant with his fake baby.

Frankly, I think Chloe has had it the best out of all the women on the show. In fact, Chloe's had it the best out of everyone.

[Kalista]

I agree...yes tragic characters date back to Ancient Greek times. But a greek play is what 2 hours...I have spent 8 years watching chloe....throw me and chloe a bone or a beer of happiness....do you know what I mean?
writers....give me a glimmer of sunshine through the rain....please.

She has been so much. One of the saddest incidents involves her mother. Not only was her mother subjected to Lex's manipulation, but they took her spinal fluid and used it to experiment on Chloe. that expression on Chloe's face when she found out what was in the syringe just broke my heart.

That is just one of many things she has had to endure.

The characters that have to struggle the hardest are far more interesting than those who seem to get by on dumb luck and ofen have things handed to them. Chloe will be rewarded in the end.

[Jade4813]

Hhmm... I'm not sure I agree with this. Well, at least, not on the surface.

Has Chloe had bad days? Absolutely? Has she gotten smacked around a bit and had bad things happen to her? Sure. But what character on "SV" hasn't??? I think, honestly, Lana has had WAY worse than Chloe, to tell you the truth.

Chloe has accomplished a lot over the years and has always managed to come out ahead. She was a successful person in high school, with a group of good friends. She had a momentary flirtation with being a horrible person, re-thought it, and came out roses in the end (she's now BFFs with the guy she betrayed). She's taken down more bad guys than a person can count. When her dorm burned down, she had a cousin who loved her to crash with... and then she promptly took over the place. She got a job at her dream company and then when she had to leave, she kind of didn't even care... because she had re-focussed her attentions on something else by that point. When she did change her priorities, her best friend had an empty seat - as the head of a compnay - just sitting there and waiting for her to fill. (No unemployment for her... at least, not that long.) She knows how to hack into government mainframes and even when she was kidnapped, she had a whole Justice League looking for her, as well as her boyfriend, cousin, and - ultimately - Superman. All of these people would have given their lives for her. She has a fiance who adores her - clearly - and she loves him back. She has a best friend with super-powers who loves her and looks out for her in every opportunity. She has an older cousin who give her life for her, in a heart beat, and is like a sister to her. She's smart, healthy, pretty and is much universally adored. Even Doomsday is smitten with her.... (In "Abyss", the theme was "Chloe is awesome" and every character said about 10 times.)

So... how is she being crapped on, again? I mean, let's compare this to -- shall we say -- Lois... who has never had a bunch of people just standing around and talking about how awesome and smart she is. She had an arc where they had her have an affair with her boss - and she's not even in every episode!! Her arc is so limited that she gets screwed on character development. (She is awesome and smart, but the show usually plays it up at Lois's expense... not on anybody else.) And she doesn't even get to be in every episode Or Lana... who had a WITCH arc, had every boyfriend DIE on her (after they turned evil) and was married to Lex Luthor, while being pregnant with his fake baby.

Frankly, I think Chloe has had it the best out of all the women on the show. In fact, Chloe's had it the best out of everyone.

Gee, eas, when you put it like that...

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Thats because Chloe doesn't deserve the harsh treatment shes getting


I mean, let's compare this to -- shall we say -- Lois... who has never had a bunch of people just standing around and talking about how awesome and smart she is.

On the other hand Lois, I should have known but you brought it up, she wholly DESERVES it, shes been dishing out everthing but the kitchen sink, *Sorry pun intended* Getting a dose of her own medicine I say.

Chloe never gives anybody but good tasty medicine.

By the way I have yet to find a tasty medicine.

[Jaderoyale]

Hhmm... I'm not sure I agree with this. Well, at least, not on the surface.

Has Chloe had bad days? Absolutely? Has she gotten smacked around a bit and had bad things happen to her? Sure. But what character on "SV" hasn't??? I think, honestly, Lana has had WAY worse than Chloe, to tell you the truth.

Chloe has accomplished a lot over the years and has always managed to come out ahead. She was a successful person in high school, with a group of good friends. She had a momentary flirtation with being a horrible person, re-thought it, and came out roses in the end (she's now BFFs with the guy she betrayed). She's taken down more bad guys than a person can count. When her dorm burned down, she had a cousin who loved her to crash with... and then she promptly took over the place. She got a job at her dream company and then when she had to leave, she kind of didn't even care... because she had re-focussed her attentions on something else by that point. When she did change her priorities, her best friend had an empty seat - as the head of a compnay - just sitting there and waiting for her to fill. (No unemployment for her... at least, not that long.) She knows how to hack into government mainframes and even when she was kidnapped, she had a whole Justice League looking for her, as well as her boyfriend, cousin, and - ultimately - Superman. All of these people would have given their lives for her. She has a fiance who adores her - clearly - and she loves him back. She has a best friend with super-powers who loves her and looks out for her in every opportunity. She has an older cousin who give her life for her, in a heart beat, and is like a sister to her. She's smart, healthy, pretty and is much universally adored. Even Doomsday is smitten with her.... (In "Abyss", the theme was "Chloe is awesome" and every character said about 10 times.)

So... how is she being crapped on, again? I mean, let's compare this to -- shall we say -- Lois... who has never had a bunch of people just standing around and talking about how awesome and smart she is. She had an arc where they had her have an affair with her boss - and she's not even in every episode!! Her arc is so limited that she gets screwed on character development. (She is awesome and smart, but the show usually plays it up at Lois's expense... not on anybody else.) And she doesn't even get to be in every episode Or Lana... who had a WITCH arc, had every boyfriend DIE on her (after they turned evil) and was married to Lex Luthor, while being pregnant with his fake baby.

Frankly, I think Chloe has had it the best out of all the women on the show. In fact, Chloe's had it the best out of everyone.

Wow.
Just, wow.
Completely well said Sana :)

[Kalista]

Thats because Chloe doesn't deserve the harsh treatment shes getting.

Exactly and that's why so many people are rooting for Chloe.

[Jade4813]

Thats because Chloe doesn't deserve the harsh treatment shes getting

On the other hand Lois, I should have known but you brought it up, she wholly DESERVES it, shes been dishing out everthing but the kitchen sink, *Sorry no pun intended* Getting a dose of her own medicine I say.

Chloe never gives anybody but good tasty medicine.

By the way I have yet to find a tasty medicine.

Well, but I don't know that any of the characters deserve the harsh treatment they've been given. I mean, don't get me wrong. I loathe Lana with a virulent passion. But did she deserve to be made the fetish of just about every person who's ever passed through on the show? Did she deserve to be stalked more times than I can count, to have almost every single one of her boyfriends either try to kill her or at least die on her? Did she deserve the fake baby? (IMO, her decision to go with Lex was her own, but that doesn't mean she still didn't deserve the treatment she got. She's responsible for what happened to her, but she didn't deserve it.)

You can say that Lois is asking to be treated like crap by friends and loved ones, but I have a hard time believing that you mean it. Yes, she's full of sass and snark. But she'd die for Chloe. In "Gemini" she was the one to declare "National Chloe Sullivan Day" - is that the action of someone who treats her cousin like crap all the time? She was there for Chloe providing what comfort she could after Jimmy left.

And in return, Chloe has had her moments of talking snidely about Lois behind her back and being rather snarky to her. Maybe that's something that doesn't bother everyone, but to say that Lois "deserves" that attitude from Chloe is, IMO, reaching.

So Lois deserves every bad thing that comes to her because she's snarky to her friends but Chloe deserves nothing bad that comes to her because she's only snarky to Lois? :confused: Don't get me wrong; I think there have been times when Chloe has been sadly abused in the show. That might mean more to me, however, if there was a character that had been living a life of sunshine and roses, but there hasn't been. And, in comparison with the life Lana led - the character they intentionally and vocally set up as the perpetual "tragic victim" of circumstance - I have a hard time weeping rivers for Chloe. IMO, even at her worst, she's still been treated with more dignity and respect than Lana ever received.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

So Lois deserves every bad thing that comes to her because she's snarky to her friends but Chloe deserves nothing bad that comes to her because she's only snarky to Lois?

You've proved it in your own post.

Lois-snarky to many people, including Chloe, how many times has she said bad stuff when shes drunk.

Chloe nasty to one, at the very best!.

I take it you dont believe in Karma, or 'What goes around comes around'.

As for Lana, she definitely deserved every consequence for hanging with Lex. Not like she wasn't warned

[thehenry89]

I don't think anyone has had it easy on this show.

Lana's been killed like 5 times (twice self inflicted). Her parents where squashed, two of her four steady boyfriends are dead, and the other two have been killed and resurected. She was tricked inot a loveless marrige under the pretense of being pregnant and a whole bunch of other horrible stuff.

Clark: His dad was killed as a result of his biological father's tendency to play god, His mom is a U.S senator, and he never sees her. His girlfriend slept with a otherworldy clone of himself, and she was happier with bizzaro. He lives in an empty farm house, with no one but cows and a dog to converse with. He has to shoulder the burden of enourmous superpowers. And he's constantly feeling guilty about his friends bein hurt because of his powers.

Lex: where to begin? His whole life has been one big lie after another. His own father had him commited and then electroshocked. Because of his father's cruelty he lost his ability to trust, and as a result lost his best friend and the one woman he really loved. He witnessed his mother kill his own little brother, and took the blame for it so she wouldnt be hurt. And Lionel made no secret of how much he prefered Clark to Lex.

Lois: Her father was obviously dissapointed that he didn't have any sons, and so he toughened her to the point that she doesn't express her emotions easily. Her first love was tuned into a cyborg. Oliver left her just as she was begining to truly realize how much she cared for him. The guy she dated on the rebound turned out to be her bosses brother's clone, and gets shot. Her sisiter's a wanted felon. She's had to listen to Chimmy sex (ewww). And judging by her comments in commited she's walked in on it more then once.

I could go on, but suffice to say that chloe is not the only person on SV who's suffered a great deal.

[Kalista]

Last time I checked, this thread was about Chloe and her treatment at the hands of writers. Although, I know how tempting it is to put the focus on someone else...

Anyway, comparing suffering is pointless. The OP didn't say that Chloe was the only one to suffer, but he did hightlight that she seems to suffer consistently, more than any other character. Much of it is unwarranted and the result of doing what is right. That is the difference.

[stenochick]

there are no good days in Smallville, this is a sci-fi drama. Now that they retired Lana from being the target of stalkers and murderers, it became Chloe's turn. Why have a show about a hero if there is no one to save?

lol! I have noticed that Chloe has been quite Lanafied in season 8.

They dug a hole for themselves early on by introducing a Lois Lane prototype in the character of Chloe Sullivan to balance out the sugary sweet Lana Lang, only to introduce the actual Lois Lane in season 4.

There has been too much redundancy in these three characters and the fact that they made the Lana character a lead meant that they could not just phase her out.

In retrospect, if it were my show, I would have created the Chloe Sullivan character and given her to Allison Mack to play, but named her Lana Lang. Then, later on, introduce the real Lois Lane.

I've stated this before in other threads and what's done is done. We can't go back in time. So, now we have Chloe out of the news business because that is redundant with Lois Lane and out of the secret-keeping business because that is redundant with Lana Lang.

[Jade4813]

You've proved it in your own post.

Lois-snarky to many people, including Chloe, how many times has she said bad stuff when shes drunk.

Chloe nasty to one, at the very best!.

I take it you dont believe in Karma, or 'What goes around comes around'.

As for Lana, she definitely deserved every consequence for hanging with Lex. Not like she wasn't warned

But again, now you're saying that Lois deserves every single bad thing that's happened to her because she's not always sugary sweet to everyone she knows. Which begs the question, does this apply in real life? Does everyone who's not always affable deserve every single bad thing that's happened to them? If you're ever sarcastic to your friends, you deserve to watch someone you've loved die right in front of you? (As happened with both Lois and Lana.) If you're ever judgmental in a moment of high emotion instead of taking a moment to rationally consider the situation, you deserve to have every single one of your boyfriends try to kill you?

Honestly?

And, incidentally, Lois has said bad things when she's drunk only once to my recollection. Unless I'm forgetting something? :confused: Chloe says bad things about Lois when she's sober. Which is worse?

I'm not here to sling mud on either girl. The point is that I don't think it's fair to say that if someone is snarky or sarcastic, they deserve everything bad that could happen to them. You know what they deserve? Maybe their friends getting mad at them. Maybe their friends telling them - to their face - to stick it somewhere. I daresay I don't think anyone deserves to be treated well to their face only to be talked bad about behind their backs.

And beyond Lois, we've got Lana - who I would say has been treated far worse than Chloe has throughout the series. She's fickle, so she deserves to watch her parents die before her eyes, to have every person who's ever passed through Smallville try to kill her? She decided to date a guy who she thought really loved her, but he happened to be older than her, so she deserved to have him try to kill her as well?

I think it's disingenuous to claim that Chloe's had it oh so bad because she's never done anything bad on the show (besides which, every time I hear someone say that Chloe's a Mary Sue, I see a dozen posts from people saying that she has flaws, that she's snarky to Clark, etc. So either those people are pulling these assertions out of the ether or Chloe's not quite so "unflawed") and Lana and everyone else have deserved exactly what they've gotten because they've been so awful.

How about Martha Kent? When was she horrid to anyone? And yet she watched her husband die right before her eyes. Her life was a constant struggle not to lose the farm when she lived there. She thought her son was dead once. He disappeared another time, leaving her to try to run the farm by herself while still vising her comatose husband in the hospital every single day to read to him, even though the doctors were telling her to pull the plug. Her son came back and didn't remember her, let alone seem to love her. She lost her baby, after years of thinking she couldn't conceive.

What did she do to deserve this treatment? When was she so horrid to everyone that this was nothing more than fitting Karma?

[AndrewVDk]

:rolleyes:
I thought that this thread was about Chloe!


I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

I completely agree with you!
I wanna see Chloe happy, or at least for her to have a happy end!
She deserves it!

[eas]

Well, in general, I don't understand that term "deserve" within this context. All these characters are fictional characters in a series that is a drama... the POINT is that they're supposed to go through problems and tribulations. A character who has a perfect life is one that is not worth much, within this context. There is no such thing as "deserving" a better fictional story, imo.

All the characters have put in the time, the effort, and have proven themselves to bounce back from adversity. Chloe is not an outlier in this, nor does this make her better than any other character. If one were to even go into the concept of "deserving" then it's LANA who deserves a better arc -- she was the main female lead since Day One and her character has been ruined over the years.

I have issues with Lois's arc, some of the time, but I don't think of it in the context that Lois deserves a better arc. I just think that it's a shame that she doesn't get more sceentime. Even that is something that Chloe doesn't have to worry about - after Clark, she gets the most screentime out of anybody. She just had a whole episode devoted to how awesome she is... can't get much better than that.

[Kalista]

I just think that it's a shame that she doesn't get more sceentime. Even that is something that Chloe doesn't have to worry about - after Clark, she gets the most screentime out of anybody. She just had a whole episode devoted to how awesome she is... can't get much better than that.


What does the AM, the actress, have to do with Chloe, the character? Why would Chloe care about screentime? As a fictional character she wouldn't be aware of "screentime".

[myankskent]

I think that Chloe has actually had it pretty easy on this show when comparing her to other characters. When she learned Clark's secret back in season 4, she wasn't put in any danger. Even in season 5, after Lex knew that she had slammed him into the cave wall in "Commencement" to stop him from going into the room where Clark was, he let her off very easily. Now, everything is finally catching up to Chloe. Her meteor infection led to her being tortured by Lex and now it has led to Brainiac trying to take over her body. Also, her knowledge of Clark's secret isn't making things easier on Chloe. I actually think that Chloe is getting a taste of what it is like to be Lana on this show. If Lana were a part of season 8, Doomsday would probably be coming after her, just like Lex and Bizarro have in past seasons.

[Bizarrolover]

Chloe never gives anybody but good tasty medicine.

Yeah, sure, tell that to Sebastian, the guy she brainfried/killed two episodes ago. Or to the Kents, when Clark was missing for an entire summer and Chloe omitted to tell them where he was. Tasty medicine indeed.


On the other hand Lois, I should have known but you brought it up, she wholly DESERVES it, shes been dishing out everthing but the kitchen sink, *Sorry no pun intended* Getting a dose of her own medicine.

Wow, that was harsh. Just because she doesn't have many friends it doesn't make her a bad person. Lois isn't perfect, but neither is Chloe. I really don't get the 'getting a dose of her own medicine' comment. Save for the banter/flirting with Clark (who he seems to love it), she never mistreated anyone on this show, in fact, she left everything behind and was ready to live in a car when she came to Smallville to investigate Chloe's death. So what exactly is the treatment she deserves?

[Hopefulsuicide]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

i understand that you want Chloe to be happy

but the reason the character is so popular is BECAUSE of all the horrible storyline's she has had. she has been given so many chances to 'shine' in the face of disaster and has risen to all of them. she is brilliant because she is strong despite all the horrible things that have happened to her

if they had never had bad things happen to Chloe, she wouldn't be so wonderful IMO

[Kalista]

i understand that you want Chloe to be happy

but the reason the character is so popular is BECAUSE of all the horrible storyline's she has had. she has been given so many chances to 'shine' in the face of disaster and has risen to all of them. she is brilliant because she is strong despite all the horrible things that have happened to her

if they had never had bad things happen to Chloe, she wouldn't be so wonderful IMO


Great post.:) The audience tends to care the most about characters who struggle and shine in the face of adversity.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I have followed this show from day one.
I have seen Chloe constantly hurt by the writers.
Chloe has been a punching bag by the writers from day one...one heartbreak after another.
Finally she loves jimmy.
Finally she is going to marry jimmy.
I am not spoiling anything for anyone.
But if you have seen the previews from last week...you know...this wedding does not go well.

I am actually upset over that Chloe never has a good day....I want this character to be happy , she deserves it....

And the writers keep smacking me on the nose.....

As it portrays above, this thread was generated for people who thought Chloe was harshly dealt.

It was not generated for people to come and bash Chloe, and say

"I dont think Chloe was harshly dealt, you know, I know somebodey who was more harshly dealt."

If you want go and start a thread to your liking go ahead.

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Im going to get bashed now

[RedKRules]

Great post.:) The audience tends to care the most about characters who struggle and shine in the fave of adversity.

That is very good point Kalista ;)

[SupesComicFan]

I don't think the writers are constantly hurting Chloe. She is in love, getting married, has a job that gives her purpose and allows her to help, has a great best friend, etc. The only thing the writers aren't giving her is Clark. And since when did people always get what they "deserve"? That isn't how life works, and doesn't make for interesting writing.

The writers have infected Chloe with Brainiac, her wedding isn't going to go well, but we don't know much after that. Besides those two things, how is Chloe getting hurt? Seems she has more going for her than against.

[Jade4813]

As it portrays above, this thread was generated for people who thought Chloe was harshly dealt.

It was not generated for people to come and bash Chloe, and say

"I dont think Chloe was harshly dealt, you know, I know somebodey who was more harshly dealt."

If you want go and start a thread to your liking go ahead.

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Im going to get bashed now

Bashed? No...but I will say that the point of just about every thread on this board is to open up discussion and have different opinions. Otherwise, aren't they fancamp threads? (Note to self: check definition of that.)

I'd like Chloe to have it a bit better. But I'd like everyone to have it a bit better. Only then, of course, there would probably be less drama and interest in the show since that's what a show thrives on.

[Kalista]

Chloe loves a guy who has strayed in the past and nearly cheated on her because of his insecurities. The same jerk who couldn't resist the opportunity to criticize his terrified fiancee for forgetting him while remembering Clark.
Her wedding will be a disaster.
She has a job that essentially serves as a recruiting tool for Tess' Injustice League. By her own admission, Chloe has not really saved or helped any meteor freaks. It doesn't look like Chloe can hack it in the meteor counseling field.

Brainiac just put her through the tortuous process of erasing her memories.

Those are just some of the events of season eight alone. I didn't get to the previous seven seasons yet.

[BIGBLUE1]

Man Im Afraid To Post Something In Here Seems Like People Are Just Bitting Each Others Heads Off.
>:)

I Agree Chloe Gets Her Amount Of Screen Time As Clark Now.. But Shes Human And Clarks Not So Shes Bound To Get Hurt. Ill Put It This Way More Then Likely Chloe Is Being Dealt With In A Manner To Were The Writers Don't Know What To Do With Her. Shes Not Superman Related So If This Is The Last Season They Need To Start Going Towards And Whining( I Think That How You Spell It) All The Characters That Aren't In Superman Realted Stories To Give Them Some Closure In Smallville (chloe Only One Left). So Ether Shes Going To Die Or Go Off And Do Her Own Thing.

But I Do Agree She Does Get Hurt Alot But I Guess That Makes Her Such A Strong Character

[Malicieux Toutou]

As it portrays above, this thread was generated for people who thought Chloe was harshly dealt.

It was not generated for people to come and bash Chloe, and say

"I dont think Chloe was harshly dealt, you know, I know somebodey who was more harshly dealt."

If you want go and start a thread to your liking go ahead.

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Im going to get bashed now

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of a rule that says we aren't allowed to participate in a thread if we disagree with the sentiments of the original poster. Perhaps you think this should be done just out of common courtesy, but if it mattered to jimmyolsenblues, I would think that he would have said something like "please don't participate in this thread if you disagree with me."

According to Clark, Chloe has never been happier. So I guess she has had a lot of happy days these last couple of years. But no one can stay happy on Smallville for too long as that would get boring.

[Kalista]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of a rule that says we aren't allowed to participate in a thread if we disagree with the sentiments of the original poster. Perhaps you think this should be done just out of common courtesy, but if it mattered to jimmyolsenblues, I would think that he would have said something like "please don't participate in this thread if you disagree with me."

No one is saying that a person can't participate if they disagree with the OP. Of course people can say that they disagree with the topic of the thread and state their reasons. But we are not supposed to take the thread off topic by shifting the focus to other characters.

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But I Do Agree She Does Get Hurt Alot But I Guess That Makes Her Such A Strong Character


Agreed.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not aware of a rule that says we aren't allowed to participate in a thread if we disagree with the sentiments of the original poster. Perhaps you think this should be done just out of common courtesy, but if it mattered to jimmyolsenblues, I would think that he would have said something like "please don't participate in this thread if you disagree with me."


I must have come across wrong, I didn't mean that you couldn't disagree, just that it doesn't do the original thread starter justice, by telling them that someone else was dealt harsher. I sure they want opinions on Chloe, although I cant speak on their behalf.

Chloe doesn't even get treated to a trouble free wedding.:lol: For some its just writen in the stars that they're going to get a hard time. But isn't that what makes the Chloe character so interesting to us. We (some) go through her difficulties with her and love it when she always pulls through. That which dont kills us makes us stronger, and Chloe is surely one of the strongest characters.

[SnowBird]

I have liked the Chloe character over the eight seasons and, of course, I wanted the best for her. I have never been unhappy with her except when she was overly jealous and was spying on Clark for Lionel. Any other of Chloe's questionable actions were overlooked. Now, I am reading posts about Saint Chloe and the bashing of other characters and I'll tell you what I'm starting to do. I'm looking for Chloe's faults so I can defend the other characters especially Clark in episode 9. I never would have done that before the Chloe supporters started ganging up on others to promote Chloe's sainthood. I'm finding myself starting to dislike the Chloe character and I never would have done that before. Chloe like everyone else on Smallville has her faults. She is not a saint and I might even accept some of the love people have for her if they would also admit that Chloe is only human and she shouldn't be on a pedestal. My favorite character is Clark and I know he has faults and he isn't perfect. He acts wild on Red K. He's over protective of his friends and feels guilt. He has broken laws to find answers, and I'm not afraid to admit it. To conclude, Chloe has fallen a notch or two in my eyes and it wasn't due to Chloe herself but in the way the many fans have chosen to bash every other character in SV to make Chloe appear to be a saint and I'm sorry this had to happen.

(Moderator...I hope I haven't broken any rules in posting this. If I have, please feel free to delete instead of blocking portions out. Thanks)

[Malicieux Toutou]

No one is saying that a person can't participate if they disagree with the OP. Of course people can say that they disagree with the topic of the thread and state their reasons. But we are not supposed to take the thread off topic by shifting the focus to other characters.


But suffering is relative. Saying Chloe really hasn't suffered that much relative to other characters on the show is a legitimate position to take. But to make that argument, you have to talk about other characters.


I take it you dont believe in Karma, or 'What goes around comes around'

Karma is a fantasy. Children die from cancer and complete jerks win the lottery. That said, I can understand why people would enjoy seeing karma played out on TV shows. It's gratifying to see good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. Some shows have a lot of karma, and others tend to reflect the unfairness that exists in real life.

But even if we accepted that karma should exist on Smallville, it's not a forgone conclusion that Chloe has gotten the short end of the karma stick. Bringing karma into the discussion just complicates things because now you're not just debating which character has suffered more, but also how "good" or "bad" of a person a character is.

[davidbrenton]

Chloe's been given some AMAZING stuff this season. That's the challenge in writing plots for a character, IT WON'T PLEASE EVERYBODY.

They are taking risks this season, and that's great. It means their telling a STORY and putting their all into it.

[Kalista]

Hmm, I don't know any Chloe fans who think that she is a saint. Why not ask a Chloe discuss her flaws before assuming that they believe she has none?

[NaYa]

Why does it always have to turn into a Chloe vs Lois debate? :rolleyes:

[oldblackmagick]

Why does it always have to turn into a Chloe vs Lois debate? :rolleyes:

because people keep trying to make them into something else. everyone has flaws but are great and in the end always make the right decision when it counts.

[Malicieux Toutou]

well said

[topping82]

Or some Clois fans Voodoo doll is really working!:lol:

LOL! I personally hope Chloe and Jimmy don't end up together though. To me, that would just be Chloe settling. One more way they're kicking her down.

[TWNik]

LOL! I personally hope Chloe and Jimmy don't end up together though. To me, that would just be Chloe settling. One more way they're kicking her down.

She deserves better, & I'm tired of seeing Chloe kicked. She's been stripped of her place at the Daily Planet, she's stripped of her memory, & now she's stuck with Jimmy?

Who I loathe.

Chloe deserves some payoff. When a heroine sacrifices, proves her merit, you don't shaft them & hand the reward to someone who didn't earn it.

That is BAD BAD BAD writing.

[Malicieux Toutou]

She deserves better, & I'm tired of seeing Chloe kicked. She's been stripped of her place at the Daily Planet, she's stripped of her memory, & now she's stuck with Jimmy?

Who I loathe.

Chloe deserves some payoff. When a heroine sacrifices, proves her merit, you don't shaft them & hand the reward to someone who didn't earn it.

So how is her being with someone she's in love an example of the writers giving her the shaft? It sounds like your problem isn't that the character never gets rewarded with what she wants, it's that she doesn't want what you want her to want.

[SteveS]

The answer to your question is simple, for many long-time viewers, Chloe is not only the best female on the show (and ClarkMan's best friend), her qualities represent the best qualities most should strive for. Jimmy,nice little guy that he is, is a teary-eyed whiner, and Chloe is 3 times smarter normally than he or most other characters on the show. The effort of the writers to try to make people who feel such for Chloe to accept little Jimmy doesn't work, is not believable, and is an example of Chloe settling for so much less than she is or deserves.

[Malicieux Toutou]

So if you are smarter than someone you are better than them? Chloe doesn't think she's too good for Jimmy. And since she's so smart, she must be right.

The situation is sort of a catch 22. What is so admirable about a character who settles for a career and mate that she is too good for? A person who gives up on reaching their full potential gets exactly what they deserve. So again, the complaint seems not to be about what is happening TO the character, but the character herself and the choices she makes.