TV Ratings for "Bride"

[Routh]

We dipped a little last week. Did we go up in our final November sweeps episode? Discuss!

[ClarkyBoy14]

This episode has the potential to do very well. Doomsday, Lana, Clois... I'm just a bit worried since "Abyss" did so poorly.

I'll predict 4.40 million.

[Carolina87]

I'm hoping, due to all of the attention and promotion the CW has given this episode, that it surpasses the 4.8 million mark. *crossesfingers*

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Do you not think that everybody who wants to watch Smallville is already watching Smallville, whether this episode has more attraction than others, and the people who don't usually watch Smallville aren't going to be swayed by Doomsday, because they probably don't know who he is. I'm just saying being so far into the season the size of audience is pretty well fixed ie with the people who like it. IMO exciting episodes just keep the current audience watching, they don't really invite more people in. I think its just random fluxuation, week to week, as soon as you get away from the pilot, when people really make their mind up from first impressions.

[WalkinDude]

I'm predicting 5 mil or higher. Oh yeah you can bet me on that crap.

[Carolina87]

I think its just random fluxuation, week to week, as soon as you get away from the pilot, when people really make their mind up from first impressions.

I think we have gotten as high as 4.8 mill this season, haven't we? im just hoping that we at least get that number or something close to it for Bride; this ep deserves all the attention it can get even from new audiences or SV fans who have tuned off over the last couple of seasons. You never know :\

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I'v always wondered how long you have to watch a program before you are classified as a viewer. Do you have to watch most of the show, or does channel hoping on and off it count??

[jobookjunkie]

I'v always wondered how long you have to watch a program before you are classified as a viewer. Do you have to watch most of the show, or does channel hoping on and off it count??

Especially if ya have to watch it on e4 and there's ads every flipping 15 minutes and ya change the channel only to find out that all the ads are synchronised and the only thing actually on is some BBC1 drama i.e. rubbish.

How do viewing figures get calculated anyways? What about people who record it and watch it later?

[davidbrenton]

4.65: And I'm being very optimistic.

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I'v always wondered how long you have to watch a program before you are classified as a viewer. Do you have to watch most of the show, or does channel hoping on and off it count??

I think there's seperate categories. There are viewers and audience. Audience, i think are always less than viewers. Viewers include anyone that tuned in for a specified part of the program.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I think there's seperate categories. There are viewers and audience. Audience, i think are always less than viewers. Viewers include anyone that tuned in for a specified part of the program.

Thanking you:)

[Jaderoyale]

This episode DESERVES to do well.
And i hope it does.

[mof123]

this episode deserves an over 5 mill rating

[superhippie2000]

im sure this episode would do great. i mean come on we get doomsday and lana fans will be happy to have her back. and the trailer for once looked awesome. im sure we will get a boost. maybe not super high but better then before :D

[SparkleforSmallville]

Saw that EW Mag. has "Bride" on their What to Watch this week, and this almost never happens!

I'll guess 4.61 mil:)

[Jaderoyale]

They actually seem to be promoting like crazy.
And so they should.

[JAMHEXXX]

4.925 million will be my guess.

[Karafan1]

Bengals/Steelers game this week so the people in N.Y. who missed Smallville last thursday will be able to see "Bride" at the regular day/time this week so the ratings should be better than last week..I'm blaming the Jets game being on in N.Y. for last weeks ratings..

[skylar]

The last episode until next year and everyone is so excitied for
this one. I think it will be over 5 million or I 'm hoping so.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I am sure this will be huge.

[Loisdragon]

13 million... If that ever happen you know for sure we get a season 9 =]

[Blue Orange NY]

4.9

[hyped4lnc]

I'm going for 4.8 to 5.1

[6-Super-Man -5]

13 million... If that ever happen you know for sure we get a season 9 =]

We'd probably get a Season Nine quickly if that happened!

[luvinChlark]

I've wondered why we haven't hit 5 million this season yet. I know in season 6 we did with Justice all though I'm not sure with Season 7 (completely forgot what happened there..) but since this season is described as "the best" I would think we would have hit 5 million. Then again they lost KK and MR so that could be a reason. So I'm sure Lana/Clana fans will return for this one, so that will boost ratings a bit. Hopefully Doomsday will bring in viewers but I don't know. I'm sure those who know who Doomsday is is already watching and It's kinda hard to follow a show that's in it's eight season. My friend who stopped watching in season 6 caught the last two episodes this season and was very confused about what was happening, but maybe some new viewers might be intrigued enough to tune in.

[lm1212]

I really think it could pull at least 5 mil.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I'm really hoping it will be #1 on iTunes Friday! :)

[geminis]

Bloodline was only 5,000 shy of hitting the 5 million mark. With a title like Bride and the fact that the CW has actually been advertising the episode this week during it's other top rated show, I'll bet Bride has a good chance of hitting 5 million.

[Clana Kent]

I'm sure it will do at least five million or higher, considering there's almost a Clois-kiss, Lana returns and there's a wedding happening. Oh, and we're finally going to see Doomsday for real!

The more I think about it, the more I'm getting pumped for this episode!! It's gonna do so weeeellll :):)

[justme_007]

6 millions =) have faith!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaderoyale]

Bloodline was only 5,000 shy of hitting the 5 million mark. With a title like Bride and the fact that the CW has actually been advertising the episode this week during it's other top rated show, I'll bet Bride has a good chance of hitting 5 million.

Its true, they have been pulling out all the stops.
I just hope it pays off. It has the potential to be the best of the season, maybe ranking up there with some of the best of the series.
I'd hate for it to get low ratings.

[stenochick]

Five million would be cool. Are there any football games preempting the episode tonight?

[individuall]

Five million would be cool. Are there any football games preempting the episode tonight?

Yes, in Pittsburgh...
The Bengals/Steelers game...

[hyped4lnc]

CW showed the promo twice last night during the Top Model finale. 4.8 million watched that so maybe the promos will bring in viewers.

[stenochick]

Yes, in Pittsburgh...
The Bengals/Steelers game...

What happended to Monday Night Football? What's up with this Thursday night football thing?

[individuall]

^I hear ya! *stupid football*

[myankskent]

What happended to Monday Night Football? What's up with this Thursday night football thing?


For the last half of the football season, they have Thursday night football now as well. As a result of it being on the NFL network, which is a cable network, NFL broadcasting rules say that the game must be shown in each team's home market on regular tv. That's why we're getting all of the preemptions the last few weeks.

[stenochick]

For the last half of the football season, they have Thursday night football now as well. As a result of it being on the NFL network, which is a cable network, NFL broadcasting rules say that the game must be shown in each team's home market on regular tv. That's why we're getting all of the preemptions the last few weeks.

Thanks for taking the time to explain that to me! I was just being funny, but it is good to know. The Jaguars are doing so poorly that I will be very upset if Smallville gets preempted to watch them lose.

[BIGBLUE1]

Over 5 Million

[Dor el]

I allow football to be turned on only on Sunday afternoons in my house. That's the only time I promise not to interrupt football viewing. Since my interruptions are loud, lengthy, and very likely to be very irritating, no one in his right mind would dare turn on football on a Thursday night. No one would dare try and prevent me from watching SV. It helps that we have several TIVO/TVs to avoid conflict. So unless God has other plans for me, I will be watching SV tonight.

[stenochick]

So unless God has other plans for me, I will be watching SV tonight.
:lol:

Dear God, please don't let the rapture occur this evening, or at least wait until after 9:00 p.m.

Thanks.

Your humble servant,
Stenochick:)

[jobookjunkie]

:lol:

Dear God, please don't let the rapture occur this evening, or at least wait until after 9:00 p.m.

Thanks.

Your humble servant,
Stenochick:)

:lol: :rotfl: Is that 9pm Eastern time? Cos it'll be 2am my time and I'm wondering if that would make a difference :lol:

[stenochick]

:lol: :rotfl: Is that 9pm Eastern time? Cos it'll be 2am my time and I'm wondering if that would make a difference :lol:

Why? Have you been naughty?

[LoveHurts38]

Yes, in Pittsburgh...
The Bengals/Steelers game...

Don't care about the game unless it's the Cowboy's playing...but, if was on the same time for this episode I would skip it and watch the replays in the news.

[Ginx]

MOD NOTE: 10) DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES OR THE FORUM TOPIC AT HAND.

[justme_007]

:lol:

Dear God, please don't let the rapture occur this evening, or at least wait until after 9:00 p.m.

Thanks.

Your humble servant,
Stenochick:)
:rolleyes:

[davidbrenton]

Quick all. Spread the word to all the neilson families while we still can. Somebody should get a distribution list so we can all bombard them with Smallville fanmail.

[dunkman]

:lol:

Dear God, please don't let the rapture occur this evening, or at least wait until after 9:00 p.m.

Thanks.

Your humble servant,
Stenochick:)

When you put it that way, I guess Smallville isn't the MOST important thing to me. Besides, there will probably be left over DVDs to watch during the millennium.

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MOD NOTE: 10) DISCUSSION ON THIS BOARD SHOULD AT ALL TIMES BE ABOUT THE SHOWS THEMSELVES OR THE FORUM TOPIC AT HAND.

The football game interfering with my Thursday night plans is definitely about Smallville!

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Do you not think that everybody who wants to watch Smallville is already watching Smallville, whether this episode has more attraction than others, and the people who don't usually watch Smallville aren't going to be swayed by Doomsday, because they probably don't know who he is. I'm just saying being so far into the season the size of audience is pretty well fixed ie with the people who like it. IMO exciting episodes just keep the current audience watching, they don't really invite more people in. I think its just random fluxuation, week to week, as soon as you get away from the pilot, when people really make their mind up from first impressions.

I don't know about that. There are a lot of comic book fans who never got into Smallville who might be intrigued to watch an episode featuring Doomsday if they hear people talking about it.

[ClarkyBoy14]

There sure is quite a bit of excitement for this episode, so I think it should do well.


:lol:

Dear God, please don't let the rapture occur this evening, or at least wait until after 9:00 p.m.

Thanks.

Your humble servant,
Stenochick:)

:lol:

Btw, congrats on 2K posts!

[geminis]

Why? Have you been naughty?

Hey, congratulations on 2,000 posts stenochick!

Despite the reduction by way of Pittsburgh, I am still hoping Bride reaches 5 million.
Let's end the Smallville year with a bang like Doomsday so the CW gets the point!

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm hoping for 5 million viewers this week, too! I know that the show took a serious hit last week with it being preempted and (seemingly) suffered for not showing Clark in any of the promos... but I think Lana fans will be watching (they'll sure have to if they want their clips), Clois fans will be watching, Doomsday enthusiasts will watch, Chimmy supporters will chip in - overall, I think this episode should satisfy everyone except for perhaps those who still can't bear to watch a show without Lex.

I can't wait. It starts in 37 minutes for me!

[6-Super-Man -5]

5 million!

[ClarkyBoy14]

If nothing else, we set a record for most visitors to the forum tonight. Over 1700!

[SparkleforSmallville]

^^^I know i just saw that! the record was 1,783 (for....... Commencement or Vessel)

Tonight it was 1,788 for "Bride". That's so cool!:) Slow as molasses LOL

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah, it was for "Vessel."

And, I know. You can hardly do anything right now!! :lol:

[Jade4813]

This has got to have a bump in ratings, if the number of times the KSite server was too busy for me to see what was going on was any indication.

[myankskent]

This has got to have a bump in ratings, if the number of times the KSite server was too busy for me to see what was going on was any indication.


Absolutely. This is like what happened after "Reckoning" aired.

[6-Super-Man -5]

It was a record! Awesome!

[BeldarofRemulak]

Yes, in Pittsburgh...
The Bengals/Steelers game...

Me too...Love the steelers but wished they were on another station so i could watch both

[Liquid-Prince]

7 million. I called it!

[zorasuperman]

considering we had around a thousand one the FORUM ALONE i would say probably 5 - (hopefully) 6 million id be ecstatic if it was around 6.5 or 7 mill

[6-Super-Man -5]

All I can say is, I think it'll be high!

[Kevin24]

HOLY COW!!! OVER 1,000 USERS ARE ON THIS SITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

What is the record for users online at one time?

[Karafan1]

I'm hoping it's in the 5 million range..Does anybody know what the show's highest rating ever was???

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HOLY COW!!! OVER 1,000 USERS ARE ON THIS SITE RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!

What is the record for users online at one time?



1,788 set at 8:32pm tonight!

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yeah, a ton of people on today!

[Kevin24]

I'm hoping it's in the 5 million range..Does anybody know what the show's highest rating ever was???


1,788 set at 8:32pm tonight!

I think the series premiere was the highest rated epsiode of Smallville ever. It was around 8 million I think. But, I have to say having 1,788 users on this site at one time is mindblowing!!

It's exciting see all the buzz about Smallville!!!

[6-Super-Man -5]

I think the series premiere was the highest rated epsiode of Smallville ever. It was around 8 million I think. But, I have to say having 1,788 users on this site at one time is mindblowing!!

It's exciting see all the buzz about Smallville!!!

Can't wait for ratings!

[smallvillerocks45]

Well, I once read the pilot reached 8.4 million viewers, but it was from Wikipedia, so I don't know how accurate that rating is, nor do I know if any other episodes have gone above that.

I'm interested to find that out as well.

One more thing... the server froze up on me too! I have never been so proud to have technical difficulties with this site. If the mass amount of people on the site tonight is any indication of how "Bride" will fare in the over night ratings, I'd say it did very well - certainly better than the premiere - and if it doesn't hit 5 million now, I think it will once the live +7 numbers are factored in.

I'm still hoping it's 5 million over night, though!

[jaksfreak91]

I have a doubt, what would happen if the ratings for this epi were more than 6 million?
Please someone answer me=D!

[bizzaroboy9]

[QUOTE=Karafan1;4182912]I'm hoping it's in the 5 million range..Does anybody know what the show's highest rating ever was???


Actually the series high was 9.4 million for the episode Lineage in Season 2. Season 2 had the highest rating of all season.
Here's a link to see the comparison between seasons in terms of rating
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3020164#post3020164
hope the link will work!

[unex||den||adel]

^ nothing, just a proud smallville fans! And myb this could wake up CW to pay more attention to their highest rating show. Add up more budget for more 'super' episode.

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9.4????????????? damn, thats so high! i never knew smvll used to be that popular.

[kentfamily]

The ratings will probably go up this episode.

[ZODisGOD]

I bid 5.01 Bob

[dreammaster]

I hope it will it 5.9 millon

[JAMHEXXX]

Looks about average.

And the CW capped off the evening with aging Smallville (#5: 3.1/ 5) and companion Supernatural (#5: 2.3/ 4)


Around the 4.75 mil. mark.

[stenochick]

^^They always have to add in the adjective "aging" to Smallville.

[JAMHEXXX]

^^They always have to add in the adjective "aging" to Smallville.

Mark seems to have a crush on Supernatural. SV gets better ratings by a long shot, yet he will continually harp on the virtues of Supernatural.

[costas22]

If it does 4.5 it's encouraging but we will have to wait for the finals.Does anyone know if the finals will go up or down this week?

[myankskent]

^^They always have to add in the adjective "aging" to Smallville.

Yeah, well what they should also say is that the aging Smallville on the CW has beaten out some of the young shows that FOX has to offer this season in that time slot.

[davidbrenton]

Wow, I never knew it did so well in prior seasons. Season 6 seems to have been the killer that blead into season 7 and now where just gaining momentum and picking up the pieces.

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From Zap2it.com

"Survivor: Gabon" started CBS off in first, doing a 7.6/12. ABC's "Ugly Betty" was second with a 5.4/9. NBC's "My Name Is Earl" and "Kath & Kim" held third, barely beating the 2.9/5 posted by both The CW's "Smallville" and FOX's "Kitchen Nightmares."

[JAMHEXXX]

And the CW capped off the evening with aging Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.77 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5) and companion Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4). Although the future of Smallville beyond this season is a question mark, there is every reason to believe Supernatural will be back.

[BadToad]

Not bad. I had hoped it would be a bit higher then that though, so I'm a little disappointed. I do think the finals will go down a bit, so brace yourselves people. I'm pretty sure some markets may have been pre-empted due to football.

[tyson08]

That's a great number!

[JAMHEXXX]

The Pittsburgh and Cincinnati markets were the ones with the pre-emptions.

[stenochick]

The fact that more people are tuning into Kath&Kim and Kitchen Nightmares tells me that the CW is not promoting their Thursday line-up very well.

I had lunch with a friend and we started talking about TV shows. I told her my favorite show is Smallville and she said, "Smallville is still on?!!"

[JAMHEXXX]

The fact that more people are tuning into Kath&Kim and Kitchen Nightmares tells me that the CW is not promoting their Thursday line-up very well.

I had lunch with a friend and we started talking about TV shows. I told her my favorite show is Smallville and she said, "Smallville is still on?!!"



Smallville had more viewers than Kitchen Nightmares.

[costas22]

4.77 is great.Surely,even if it drops in the final ratings,it will be a season high right?I asked this last week but didn't get an answer.I am not from the US and i don't know a lot about the ratings.Does anyone know what determines whether the finals go up or down?It seems to me like one week they go up and the next they go down.

[psyko69]

With ratings like this I'd expect an early renewal BEFORE Legion airs.

They'd better get to signing Tom.

And I really don't get why the ratings guys dump on Smallville when Supernatural gets something like half its ratings.

We've been on the air longer than Buffy, so that's gotta say something.

The only roadblock to nine is Tom's contract. Throw in another few million if that's what it takes. With quality like this there is no reason for Smallville to let up just yet.

[Rafael122]

So wait a second, Supernatural does less ratings than Smallville and is a lock to come back, but according to the guy who does ratings news, Smallville is not? Has he ever figured that the lead in from Smallville probably helps Supernatural?

And why is this guy always saying "aging" or "decrepit" or "fading" Smallville. Every week, it's some little snide remark.

[JAMHEXXX]

4.77 is great.Surely,even if it drops in the final ratings,it will be a season high right?I asked this last week but didn't get an answer.I am not from the US and i don't know a lot about the ratings.Does anyone know what determines whether the finals go up or down?It seems to me like one week they go up and the next they go down.


The Final numbers went down last week due to the pre-emption by the New York Jets game, which took out the largest market in the country for the CW. They will go down again this week due to the Steelers vs Bengals game being shown on the local CW affiliates in those markets.

[Kevin24]

I don't understand his comments either. Smallville has gotten better ratings then Supernatural all year long yet Supernatural is the one who is a lock to be picked up for another season.

That guy is just a hater and he doesn't even try to hide it. Drinking too much hate-o-raid

[myankskent]

I don't understand his comments either. Smallville has gotten better ratings then Supernatural all year long yet Supernatural is the one who is a lock to be picked up for another season.


Supernatural is only a lock because they have their cast signed for next year. With Smallville, TW is still not signed for a season 9. If TW were to sign a two year contract this year and Smallville put up similar ratings for season 9 to this point as they have for season 8, season 10 would be a lock. It's when a key cast member isn't signed....that's when there are problems.

I do agree, however, that without Smallville, Supernatural would not have as good of an audience so take Smallville away, and I think that you are also taking a portion of the Supernatural audience away as well. I don't think that the CW can afford to have their Thursday night turn to **** next season.

[costas22]

Oh thanks.So basically they go down every time Smallville is preempted in a certain market.But since this week New York showed Smallville the drop in the finals won't be so big as last week's.If anything Bride deserves to have the season's highest rating.But i have to say that these preemptions hamper Smallville's progress.Had it not been for them,the show could have reached a 5 rating by Bride.Now it's struggling to stay above 4.5.Oh and don't pay attention to what these critics say.I bet that if you ask them if they know the cast for Smallville they will only know Annete O' Toole and John Glover.Sitting on your couch and comparing the season 8 ratings to the season 7 ratings is the easiest job in the world.

[geminis]

Sigh. I was so hoping for 5.0 million. So close and yet so far.

I love Supernatural too so I'm glad someone is positive when the numbers could be better. The comments about Smallville make me think he is simply agist. Anything old is automatically bad. Grrrrr. I'll be looking forward to the Live + 7 numbers.

[stenochick]

I don't understand his comments either. Smallville has gotten better ratings then Supernatural all year long yet Supernatural is the one who is a lock to be picked up for another season.

That guy is just a hater and he doesn't even try to hide it. Drinking too much hate-o-raid

That guy is a Supernatural fan. Plus SN is a newer show. Perhaps this guy feels that the fact that Smallville has been on for so long, combined with the fact that TW has not been signed for season 9 yet, means that season 9 is not a given.

There is no excuse, however, for his snide little "aging" remarks. You should hear what he says about the NBC and Fox Thursday line-ups. He uses way more harsh words than "aging" for those shows.

[JAMHEXXX]

Oh thanks.So basically they go down every time Smallville is preempted in a certain market.But since this week New York showed Smallville the drop in the finals won't be so big as last week's.If anything Bride deserves to have the season's highest rating.But i have to say that these preemptions hamper Smallville's progress.Had it not been for them,the show could have reached a 5 rating by Bride.Now it's struggling to stay above 4.5.Oh and don't pay attention to what these critics say.I bet that if you ask them if they know the cast for Smallville they will only know Annete O' Toole and John Glover.Sitting on your couch and comparing the season 8 ratings to the season 7 ratings is the easiest job in the world.

You are correct, the drop won't be so large this week. I'm pretty sure it was just the Pittsburgh Market (18th ranked for the CW) that had the CW affiliate showing the game this week, so I'm guessing the drop will be around less then half of what it was last week.

[Jade4813]

You are correct, the drop won't be so large this week. I'm pretty sure it was just the Pittsburgh Market that had the CW affiliate showing the game this week, so I'm guessing the drop will be around less then half of what it was last week.

Is the Pittsburgh Market reairing the episode on Saturday or Sunday the way the other market did last week? And if so, would that be added to these numbers?

I never understand how these things works. People try to explain, but thus far, it's all been in vain.

[SnowBird]

As soon as Smallville is over, I change the channel but I do believe many SV fans keep the TV on the same channel thereby SN getting better ratings than if it were on another night. I want a season 9 more than anything but when people put Tom's character, Clark down so bad as they have for the last couple of weeks, I wouldn't blame Tom if he didn't sign. I think there should be more appreciation shown for Tom if they want a season 9, IMO.

[costas22]

I asked about that one last week also Jade4813.I hope someone clarifies that one too.My guess is that it will be a while before we get a complete rating.But the important thing for today is that Smallville breaks the 4.5 barrier after the finals

[JAMHEXXX]

Is the Pittsburgh Market reairing the episode on Saturday or Sunday the way the other market did last week? And if so, would that be added to these numbers?

I never understand how these things works. People try to explain, but thus far, it's all been in vain.

I don't know, but now my interest is up, so I will find out.

[stenochick]

Is the Pittsburgh Market reairing the episode on Saturday or Sunday the way the other market did last week? And if so, would that be added to these numbers?

I never understand how these things works. People try to explain, but thus far, it's all been in vain.

It is my understanding that the later viewing would only affect the "Live+7" numbers, not the official same-day numbers.

[Kevin24]

As soon as Smallville is over, I change the channel but I do believe many SV fans keep the TV on the same channel thereby SN getting better ratings than if it were on another night. I want a season 9 more than anything but when people put Tom's character, Clark down so bad as they have for the last couple of weeks, I wouldn't blame Tom if he didn't sign. I think there should be more appreciation shown for Tom if they want a season 9, IMO.

So true, he has been bagged on the past couple weeks on this site. I really hope he decides to sign on for one more season. I really want a season 9!

[Tompouce]

I really hope he decides to sign on for one more season. I really want a season 9!
Clark is the best character I know, I like so much. Please, a season 9 ! Sign, Tom, sign !:D;)

[costas22]

Tom has been a great contributor to the success of Smallville.Sometimes i wonder why i haven't seen him do any interviews about the show in recent years but everyone is entitled to their privacy.I think that whoever thought to sign him on for 8 seasons(instead of the 7 that MR and KK signed for) deserves a lot of credit.Had his contract run out last year it's very possivle he would have left.Clark wasn't depicted in a Superman-like manner.This year Clark Kent has a purpose and this change must have pleased TW.But it maybe a lot to ask to have TW play Clark until he is 33.

[JAMHEXXX]

Half hour breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.56 m, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.99 m, A18-49: 2.1/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 4.12 m, A18-49: 1.7/ 4
9:30 p.m. V: 3.94 m, A18-49: 1.6/ 4


Once again Smallville rises, while Supernatural goes down.

[stenochick]

Half hour breakdowns

Smallville
8:00 p.m. V: 4.56 m, A18-49: 1.8/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 4.99 m, A18-49: 2.1/ 5

Supernatural
9:00 p.m. V: 4.12 m, A18-49: 1.7/ 4
9:30 p.m. V: 3.94 m, A18-49: 1.6/ 4


Once again Smallville rises, while Supernatural goes down.

I don't know if there is any correlation, but around 8:30 is when Ksite broke its all-time number of users online record. Also, it is when Clark and Lois almost kissed.

Does anyone know why half a million people would tune in half-way through an hour-long drama?

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I just realized it might be because they tuned in early for Supernatural. Oh well...

[davidbrenton]

I don't know if there is any correlation, but around 8:30 is when Ksite broke its all-time number of users online record. Also, it is when Clark and Lois almost kissed.

Does anyone know why half a million people would tune in half-way through an hour-long drama?

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I just realized it might be because they tuned in early for Supernatural. Oh well...

Momentum, the more people that click through and stay there the higher the ratings go. I'm sure if you look at 15 minute part-times, you'll see a steadilly increasing viewrship throughout the show.

Also, it was advertised for people "Not to miss the last 5 minutes"

4.77 is not a bad first number. I predicted 4.65, so I hope it AT LEAST stays above that in the finals.

[JAMHEXXX]

I don't know if there is any correlation, but around 8:30 is when Ksite broke its all-time number of users online record. Also, it is when Clark and Lois almost kissed.

Does anyone know why half a million people would tune in half-way through an hour-long drama?

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I just realized it might be because they tuned in early for Supernatural. Oh well...


If they tune in early for Supernatural, why do they tune out before Supernatural is over?

[Jack-El49]

I'm guessing the meters register for a certain period at the beginning of each 1/2 hour. If people tune in a few minutes late, they aren't picked up in the first 1/2 hour????

[davidbrenton]

No, I think it's an averaging process that goes on.

I interned at MTV for a bit in market research department and should know this. Unfortunately, they're just vaguaties.

[JAMHEXXX]

I will continue to enjoy Smallville no matter what the ratings hold. Yes, I would love SV to have blockbuster ratings, but sadly those days are behind the show. Season 8 ratings have been as steady as I have ever seen, and that is saying a hell of a lot for a show as long in tooth as Smallville is.

I have a feeling that when the show returns on Jan. 15 that the ratings are going to be sub 4 mil. and I will blame PS3 directly. They were the ones that put Lois and Clark on the fast track. I was perfectly fine with the way their relationship was happening before Season 8, but TPTB forced me to want more of this couple. Now after the hiatus Lois will be gone for a LOOOONNNNGGGGGG time, how can they justify pulling the rug out and expect everyone who has been watching THIS year to just go along and watch without this lovely addition to the show?

[Timester]

Besides the fluke last week, Smallville's ratings are still rising every week this year. Now, that just need to promote the hell of Legion that the comic fans will flock to see the episode.

[davidbrenton]

It is a little irresponsible and also think the ratings will falter. It will be harder than ever to get them back up at that point as well.

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Besides the fluke last week, Smallville's ratings are still rising every week this year. Now, that just need to promote the hell of Legion that the comic fans will flock to see the episode.

Hey Timester. So, I have to hand it to you. Given the amount and quality of Clois in ep 10, I am at peace with their decision (Story-wise regarding Lois) and think PS3 will pull it off successfully.

My prediction on ratings is unfaltered though:
I still think the ratings will suffer though. (Legion may be the rabbit in the hat they need, but it'll be a decline from there, and pretty steep).

[Timester]

I have a feeling that when the show returns on Jan. 15 that the ratings are going to be sub 4 mil. and I will blame PS3 directly.

I'll say this again, ratings are about Clark and Clark only.

Example, last night, everyone was dreading Lana and Clana. Yet, we got a "likable" Lana and a non-eye gauging Clana that will endure people through the next 4 episodes.

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My prediction on ratings is unfaltered though:
I still think the ratings will suffer though. (Legion may be the rabbit in the hat they need, but it'll be a decline from there, and pretty steep).

Actually, the characters on Bulletproof are more than enough to keep the comics fan on the show for a week. The game changer might be Power.

[SparkleforSmallville]

4.77 mil. is a good start, the Finals seem hard to predict when there are pre-emptions.
I guess they take the whole market out, but since there are people who would watch,
It wouldn't really be an accurate rating for Smallville. The CW also knows this, so I think we are fine. I'm still hoping Bride is the highest of the Season:)

And yeah, Marc Berman has no love for Smallville, and has even been corrected by the CW, regarding some of his remarks.

Long-running Smallville, sounds so much better than aging.

[JAMHEXXX]

I'll say this again, ratings are about Clark and Clark only.

Example, last night, everyone was dreading Lana and Clana. Yet, we got a "likable" Lana and a non-eye gauging Clana that will endure people through the next 4 episodes.

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Actually, the characters on Bulletproof are more than enough to keep the comics fan on the show for a week. The game changer might be Power.


Sorry, the ratings are not JUST about Clark. Like it or not shippers have a tremendous amount of influence in regard of the ratings. I will stay and watch SV while Lois is away, but I have an irkling that some Clois fans will tune out.

Will the Comic fans be enough to offset the exodus of Clois fans? Will have to wait and see.

[davidbrenton]

I'll say this again, ratings are about Clark and Clark only.

Example, last night, everyone was dreading Lana and Clana. Yet, we got a "likable" Lana and a non-eye gauging Clana that will endure people through the next 4 episodes.

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Actually, the characters on Bulletproof are more than enough to keep the comics fan on the show for a week. The game changer might be Power.

But the influx of comic fans (Who, at my work, at least) have the patience to wait for the DVD (And, gave up in season 7), may not be enough to counter the standard viewer who is watching for other reasons.

As you previously theorized, I agree on Lana and now think Lana will turn out to be the "Superman" version of Lana who knows her place in Clark's life. That is good. My only small complaint was that Clark still needed to be told "He's not destined to be with Lana". It just makes him stupider than all his surrounding characters.

I see and hear your concerns about Power really being where the actual quality of the show is potentially going to falter. I agree and understand the argument "that's where ratings technically where they should start to falter," but I have an inkling that Clois shippers make a strong portion of the eb and flow of ratings than anyone at the CW may realize.

[Seeya'round Smallville]

So if Pittsburgh was the only pre-emption this episode has a decent chance of besting Bloodline for season high. Bloodline got a 4.81 overnight with the Denver market and then 4.46 for the final. The Pittsburgh market is actually a slightly smaller market than Denver, so with a 4.77 there is a chance it'll beat Bloodline, assuming it was the only market pre-empted and not also Cincinnati.

[Timester]

But the influx of comic fans (Who, at my work, at least) have the patience to wait for the DVD (And, gave up in season 7), may not be enough to counter the standard viewer who is watching for other reasons.

Actually, alot of comic fans that never saw Smallville before, watched yesterday because of Doomsday.

[ClarksGal]

Sorry, the ratings are not JUST about Clark. Like it or not shippers have a tremendous amount of influence in regard of the ratings. I will stay and watch SV while Lois is away, but I have an irkling that some Clois fans will tune out.

Will the Comic fans be enough to offset the exodus of Clois fans? Will have to wait and see.


I think a lot of Clois fans are Clois fans because they are into the general overall Superman mythos story. I am not saying that's true for every single person, but I think it's true a large portion of the time. So I think the comic fans will tune in for the episodes that include comic characters, regardless of whether Lois is there or not, even if they miss her. And the Clana fans will likely tune in. The real question I have is whether we'd be losing Chloe fans since her mind-wipe seems to be permanent. But regardless, I think the ratings have more to do with Clark than any particular ship.

[davidbrenton]

Actually, alot of comic fans that never saw Smallville before, watched yesterday because of Doomsday.

Ooooohhhh. Really? And this episode is looking CLOSE to the amount of viewers Bloodline got (AKA, first episode with Clois after Committed).

Wow. They must reeeeaaaally have a BIG impact in ratings then.

[JAMHEXXX]

So if Pittsburgh was the only pre-emption this episode has a decent chance of besting Bloodline for season high. Bloodline got a 4.81 overnight with the Denver market and then 4.46 for the final. The Pittsburgh market is actually a slightly smaller market than Denver, so with a 4.77 there is a chance it'll beat Bloodline, assuming it was the only market pre-empted and not also Cincinnati.


Pittsburgh was the only CW market affected with the pre-emption.

Pittsburgh is the 23 largest market in the country with 1.15 million viewers.

Denver is the 18th largest market in the country with 1.52 million viewers.

[davidbrenton]

I heard Pittsburgh has the largest fan base of smallville. It was actually stated that one out of every 3 people in that city watch the show.

EDIT: This was a joke. I wanted to see who caught it but then actually started doing work and forgot to check back.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Thats great numbers!
Keep averaging 4 million, and we'll get a Season Nine in no time.

[Seeya'round Smallville]

Lois is my favorite and I watch for her first and foremost, but I'm a Superman fan so I love anything related to that as well.

I think the show will do fine and probably good for "Legion" and probably "Bulletproof" if they market it correctly. I do think they're gonna struggle with "Power" & "Requiem" because those two sound melodramatic and by the 3rd and 4th episode of Lois and Jimmy's absence people that didn't know they wouldn't be around may start getting antsy and annoyed. "Power" might be the only episode that really takes a ratings hit if they make a big deal about "Requiem" being the last Lana episode ever to get people to tune in and have a kick-ass trailer announcing Lois's return at the end of it for "Infamous".

Thanks Jamhexxx! That's some good news then, should have a realistic chance of getting a new season high today! :)

[txluvstom]

As soon as Smallville is over, I change the channel but I do believe many SV fans keep the TV on the same channel thereby SN getting better ratings than if it were on another night. I want a season 9 more than anything but when people put Tom's character, Clark down so bad as they have for the last couple of weeks, I wouldn't blame Tom if he didn't sign. I think there should be more appreciation shown for Tom if they want a season 9, IMO.


So true, he has been bagged on the past couple weeks on this site. I really hope he decides to sign on for one more season. I really want a season 9!
Thank you both SOOOOO much!!!!! I tried to say the same thing and got accused of being a Gossip Girl lover. I am a Clark lover to the end. I love what Tom has done for this show and I just felt like he should deserve some respect for his hard work. I will continue to support Smallville AND Clark for as many seasons as Tom is willing to do.

[JAMHEXXX]

I think a lot of Clois fans are Clois fans because they are into the general overall Superman mythos story. I am not saying that's true for every single person, but I think it's true a large portion of the time. So I think the comic fans will tune in for the episodes that include comic characters, regardless of whether Lois is there or not, even if they miss her. And the Clana fans will likely tune in. The real question I have is whether we'd be losing Chloe fans since her mind-wipe seems to be permanent. But regardless, I think the ratings have more to do with Clark than any particular ship.


I myself have never really shipped before this season, but damn it PS3 made me fall for Lois and Clark, and now that dynamic will be gone for an extended amount of time. If they have people out there watching the show that feel the same as me, then they are pissed and the absence of Lois and Clark will affect the ratings.

[Tompouce]

Tom has been a great contributor to the success of Smallville.Sometimes i wonder why i haven't seen him do any interviews about the show in recent years but everyone is entitled to their privacy.
I am like you, I really wonder why TW is not interviewed, he can speak about SV, it is not useful to speak about him...

[davidbrenton]

I myself have never really shipped before this season, but damn it PS3 made me fall for Lois and Clark, and now that dynamic will be gone for an extended amount of time. If they have people out there watching the show that feel the same as me, then they are pissed and the absence of Lois and Clark will affect the ratings.

I am the same way, I never shipped or even posted on this message forum until Committed. I got infected then.

[yaseen101]

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Will the Comic fans be enough to offset the exodus of Clois fans? Will have to wait and see.

Never doubt the power of us comic book fans, if we could keep several comic books from being cancelled with blizzards of petitions and fan letters than we could keep Smallville ratings high all the time. Besides it's been mentioned a lot by Geoff in some of the interviews and Dan Didio (Editor in Chief of DC) mentioned it in an interview so it would gain attention of a lot of comic book fans. Moreover, I see more and more people saying everyday that they are once again interested in Smallville and more and more reviewers online is also a good thing for the show.

[JAMHEXXX]

I heard Pittsburgh has the largest fan base of smallville. It was actually stated that one out of every 3 people in that city watch the show.

That is totally incorrect. Smallville generally grabs a 1.9/ 3 in the Pittsburgh market. While Smallville normally pulls a 3.4/ 6 in the New York market which is Six times bigger then the Pittsburgh market.

[SnowBird]

I am like you, I really wonder why TW is not interviewed, he can speak about SV, it is not useful to speak about him...

Unfortunately, Tom gets blindsided by interviewers asking questions about his personal life which he is very private about. I think he has finally given up finding someone who is just interested in SV. I can't blame him for not giving interviews and respect him for protecting his wife and family. I believe that promoting Smallville should fall on CW and they have done a poor job of it.

[BadToad]

Yet, we got a "likable" Lana and a non-eye gauging Clana that will endure people through the next 4 episodes.

Sorry to disagree with you there Timester, but I'm not sure I'd agree with that assessment. IMO, what I saw last night did nothing at all to calm my fears about the upcoming Lana arc.

Do I think it will hurt the ratings? No. I think the hiatus is what has an effect, and it actually effects television shows across the board, not just SV. Hopefully the CW will promote Legion with some enthusiasm.

And for my other Tom lovers on this thread, Big ol' Word! to you :)

[Kevin24]

On a sidenote Bride already has around 4.200 posts....

[6-Super-Man -5]

Unfortunately, Tom gets blindsided by interviewers asking questions about his personal life which he is very private about. I think he has finally given up finding someone who is just interested in SV. I can't blame him for not giving interviews and respect him for protecting his wife and family. I believe that promoting Smallville should fall on CW and they have done a poor job of it.

I know, ask about the show!
I hope we find out if Tom wants to be involved with Season Nine or not before "Legion."

[myankskent]

I know, ask about the show!
I hope we find out if Tom wants to be involved with Season Nine or not before "Legion."

Well, I hope that the writers at least know what is going on by the time "Legion" airs because they will be in the process of writing the final episodes of the season by that point. They're going to need to know if a season 9 is going to happen by then.

[Tompouce]

Unfortunately, Tom gets blindsided by interviewers asking questions about his personal life which he is very private about. I think he has finally given up finding someone who is just interested in SV. I can't blame him for not giving interviews and respect him for protecting his wife and family. I believe that promoting Smallville should fall on CW and they have done a poor job of it.
Thanks for your answer. I am far from american interviews and the only magazine where I could perhaps find something about TW in France would be teenagers magazine and I don't buy it so...

[6-Super-Man -5]

Well, I hope that the writers at least know what is going on by the time "Legion" airs because they will be in the process of writing the final episodes of the season by that point. They're going to need to know if a season 9 is going to happen by then.

Yeah, of course, and I look forward to finding out.

[SnowBird]

Thanks for your answer. I am far from american interviews and the only magazine where I could perhaps find something about TW in France would be teenagers magazine and I don't buy it so...

I almost forgot that Tom did a modeling spread in the May, 2008 issue of Vogue. He did have a few things to say. As far as Smallville, he said. "I've learned to love him (Clark) a little sure. He's a good guy. You know, as a kid you think that you can be like that. You have all of these emotions and to play them out through this character is cathartic. It's also a lot of fun."

[Tompouce]

It would be a mess if there is no season 9. I would be more than disappointed (I know it can't last forever but just one more pleasssse !)

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Thanks Snowbird, it is very nice to you:)

[6-Super-Man -5]

It would be a mess if there is no season 9. I would be more than disappointed (I know it can't last forever but just one more pleasssse !)

I am VERY sure there will be Season Nine. :D

[Tompouce]

Honestly, I am like you, that's why I fear to be very disappointed if we are wrong...I can't imagine SV ending in 12 epi. As someone say, we can make a petition if there is no season 9:D

[Clana Kent]

One question... Has anybody from the writers or the CW ever said that there might be a season 9?
I've never heard it before that it has been said in an interview or something...

[6-Super-Man -5]

The writers and even Dawn has said they think a Season Nine is very possible and PS3 want a Season Nine.

[KSiteTV]

Kelly Souders and Brian Peterson said when The Graysons was announced that they were still hoping/planning for a Season 9, also.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Do you think a Season Nine will happen?

[mr lane]

i think a season 9 could be possible but they have to bring Tom Welling aboard and I think he's asking for more money which is understandable.

[Kevin24]

Do you have a source that he is asking for more money?

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yeah, where did you hear that?
The only thing that would make Season Nine not happen is Tom not signing up.
But lets not lose faith! Hope for Season Nine!

[KSiteTV]

I think anyone when they renew a contract would ask for more money. That's just natural. Don't most people get annual raises in their jobs?

[costas22]

Craig is right,there is nothing wrong with that.To be honest,i would have been shocked if Tom didn't get a raise to stay for another season.We are talking about the lead character of the show for the past 8 years who has seen everyone around him move on with other projects.For me,just the mere fact that he would ask for a raise is encouraging.It means that he is willing to stay.In contrast,if you look at the Michael Rosenbaum situation,it's obvious he didn't want to stay anymore.I am not knockingg him for it.Who would want to shave their head for 8 straight years?So it all comes down to how much they are willing to give Tom.

[geminis]

I think anyone when they renew a contract would ask for more money. That's just natural. Don't most people get annual raises in their jobs?

Unfortunately, I would have to say no, not all people get annual raises. But I would say that Tom and everyone affiliated with Smallville deserves one. I want to take it out of 90210 and Gossip Girl and Privileged's funds. But that's just me.

Anyway, back to topic: looking forward to the final numbers for the final episode this year.

[bizzaroboy9]

is the final number out yet??

[Kevin24]

I like your avatar. Kara looks really pretty in it.

I know I didn't answer your question but I had to comment on the avatar. :)

I'm also waiting for the final ratings.

[bizzaroboy9]

I like your avatar. Kara looks really pretty in it.

I know I didn't answer your question but I had to comment on the avatar. :)

I'm also waiting for the final ratings.

Haha
Thanks for the comment
I hope it go up to or near 5 million viewers!

[LegendaryU2K]

SO what was the total number, 4.99 million?

[joesmallville]

Apparently there has been a delay at Nielsen

Final Numbers won't be out until Monday

[bizzaroboy9]

Apparently there has been a delay at Nielsen

Final Numbers won't be out until Monday

WHATTT!!!!! THATS NOT FAIR! :mad:

[costas22]

Maybe that will give them time to take into account the Pittsburgh market.Wishful thinking ah?

[SparkleforSmallville]

Apparently there has been a delay at Nielsen

Final Numbers won't be out until Monday

Well, I guess we'll all be back here on Monday!:)

[Seeya'round Smallville]

Monday? Bummer. I was hoping we'd hear we hit a new season high by now.

For S9, I know nothing for sure but from the earlier showrunner interviews this year it sounded like Allison, Aaron, Cassidy, Sam and Justin are all signed for S9. I think Tom and Erica are the two that have to be resigned. I think outside of a pay raise that giving Tom some incentives like more directing opportunities would be a good move, he really seems into that. In regards to Erica, giving her FULL-TIME finally in her new deal on top of a pay raise is the way to go IMO. We cannot have another 2 regulars only season for S9, especially since there will be no Kristin available to give them 5 extra episodes. Give Tom more directing shots/an exec producer credit and give Erica full-time PS3, please.

[LegendaryU2K]

I think it hit the 5 million mark. Tom is what 31 now, or 32. If i was tom i would do SV into season 10, 5 out 5. But thats just me. I would retired SV when i am 34. :)

[davidbrenton]

That is totally incorrect. Smallville generally grabs a 1.9/ 3 in the Pittsburgh market. While Smallville normally pulls a 3.4/ 6 in the New York market which is Six times bigger then the Pittsburgh market.

I know. It was a joke.

[Smallville6]

Monday? Bummer. I was hoping we'd hear we hit a new season high by now.

For S9, I know nothing for sure but from the earlier showrunner interviews this year it sounded like Allison, Aaron, Cassidy, Sam and Justin are all signed for S9. I think Tom and Erica are the two that have to be resigned. I think outside of a pay raise that giving Tom some incentives like more directing opportunities would be a good move, he really seems into that. In regards to Erica, giving her FULL-TIME finally in her new deal on top of a pay raise is the way to go IMO. We cannot have another 2 regulars only season for S9, especially since there will be no Kristin available to give them 5 extra episodes. Give Tom more directing shots/an exec producer credit and give Erica full-time PS3, please.

I'm really hoping for a season 9 and it would be awsome if Erica got a full season!
Although Erica has said she's already on board for another season. That doesnt mean she's signed, I dont know if she is or not, but she said she'd happily do it :D
So I think Tom is really the only one left.

[jimmyolsenblues]

And the CW capped off the evening with aging Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.77 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5) and companion Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4). Although the future of Smallville beyond this season is a question mark, there is every reason to believe Supernatural will be back.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/184108471

thats a shame 5th place....4.77 million? i was hoping for at least 5 million

[KSiteTV]

I'm pretty sure Erica is signed up for a Season 9 already. By my calculations, she probably did a five year contract when she became a series regular, so: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

By the way... when you all say "resigned" on here it makes me think "quit." Might want to add a hyphen in there for "re-signed," as in, signed up again. :)

[geminis]

And the CW capped off the evening with aging Smallville (Viewers: #4, 4.77 million; A18-49: #5, 1.9/ 5) and companion Supernatural (Viewers: #5, 4.03 million; A18-49: #5, 1.6/ 4). Although the future of Smallville beyond this season is a question mark, there is every reason to believe Supernatural will be back.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/184108471

thats a shame 5th place....4.77 million? i was hoping for at least 5 million

Me too. Still, it's right up there.

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I'm pretty sure Erica is signed up for a Season 9 already. By my calculations, she probably did a five year contract when she became a series regular, so: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

By the way... when you all say "resigned" on here it makes me think "quit." Might want to add a hyphen in there for "re-signed," as in, signed up again. :)

Craig, you have made my day. I love your calculations and you make me laugh. Resigned indeed. Re-sign Erica and re-sign Tom! If they do, then sign me up for season 9!

[Kevin24]

Considering how low last week was this is one big jump in the right direction. That is over 1 million viewers more.

I expect it to be at least 4.5 million after the finals come in. That would be the highest rated episode of the season. I'm proud of our show and everyone involved in it.

I hope the second half of the season is as good and keeps getting the ratings going up , up and away!

[rep4clark]

consider that SV doesnt have anywhere near the promotion that the other shows do and not only that, alot oth parts on the nation dont carry CW with there cable network its amazing that bigger networks havent tried to to buy smallvile and try to cash in on it.

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i think a season 9 could be possible but they have to bring Tom Welling aboard and I think he's asking for more money which is understandable.


i say offer tom royalties to season nine, just anything to get him on board:eek:

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i think a season 9 could be possible but they have to bring Tom Welling aboard and I think he's asking for more money which is understandable.


i say offer tom royalties to season nine, just anything to get him on board:eek:

[krpto]

Who would want to shave their head for 8 straight years?.
Uhh Me


especially if it ment getting paid to makeout with women like kristen kreuk, allison mack, erica durance, and any other hot females the writers brought into the show Hey I'm a guy what did you expect me to say.

[ClarkyBoy14]

No finals until Monday?! That's a bummer... :(

4.77 is pretty good, and I'm hoping that we can still get a season high when the finals are eventually released.

About getting Tom to re-sign, I agree that offering more directing jobs and a producer credit would be good ideas.

[BadToad]

About getting Tom to re-sign, I agree that offering more directing jobs and a producer credit would be good ideas.

The problem with offering Tom more directing jobs is that it effects his ability to be in certain eps, namely the ones that come before he directs. And you can get away with that once a year. Maybe twice. But how many eps are we willing to have very little Clark in? For me, those eps are usually pretty awful, Void, Sleeper, Static.

Producing cred though? Should be a no-brainer. Give it to him.

[davidbrenton]

The problem with offering Tom more directing jobs is that it effects his ability to be in certain eps, namely the ones that come before he directs. And you can get away with that once a year. Maybe twice. But how many eps are we willing to have very little Clark in? For me, those eps are usually pretty awful, Void, Sleeper, Static.

Producing cred though? Should be a no-brainer. Give it to him.

Oh yeah. Jennifer Love Hewitt has that on Ghost Whisperer. He should get that and hopefully have some real influence on your character.

[Seeya'round Smallville]

I'm pretty sure Erica is signed up for a Season 9 already. By my calculations, she probably did a five year contract when she became a series regular, so: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

By the way... when you all say "resigned" on here it makes me think "quit." Might want to add a hyphen in there for "re-signed," as in, signed up again. :)

Oops. That hyphen does make a difference huh? :)

Oh no. Please tell me you're just giving your best guess on Erica's contract. If they attempt to do a Season 9 with her still on her Superman Returns restrictions based contract...just don't do Season 9 then. No more 13 episodes and maybe 3 extras tops seasons, I can't take it anymore. I have no official source (and hate to say anything because of that 'cause it's probably wrong) but weren't Tom, Erica and John G. having extensions through S8 and Michael, Kristin and Allison only being signed through S7 the big to-do with the past spring's contract negotiations? The rumor (again, hate basing it on this but it's all I saw) was that Tom and John G. signed extensions when S5 took off through S8 and Erica signing that year signed for S8 as well. But back then when Erica signed Superman Returns hadn't come out yet and DC was still super anal about her number of episodes and 8 zillion restrictions on their use of Lois. I cannot BELIEVE that stupid movie is still affecting this show, I really hope it's not.

Is there any way PS3 would be up for a Q&A regarding S9 early next year with the site? Erica fans have asked for years what the deal with ep restrictions is but post Superman Returns they've only told us a vague "there are many factors". I mean, if DC Comics/WB Features is the bad guy then I wish the showrunners would say it's out of their hands and to write them. But if it's the showrunners decision then I wish they'd be honest with us and not evade the "why won't you give Erica a full season?" question. We've done petitions, we've sent letters, but the best we've gotten is she might get 3 extra episodes this year. I figure it's best to let PS3 hear our voices on this as early as possible so they can finally make Erica full-time in Season 9 if it happens. Her fans want an honest answer and want to know what if anything we can do to help change it. It'd be nice if next year at mid-season hiatus when the "new episodes January 15th" trailer comes up, it actually MEANS January 15th for Lois fans and not February 12th.

Sorry, I know I ramble when it comes to this issue, but I'm just very passionate about it. :)

[stenochick]

Even though the "live + 7" ratings don't really count, I think they tell the real story. Smallville is on the most competitive night of the week. Some families may watch Survivor, but Dad TiVos Smallville and watches it afterwards or something like that. I like seeing those numbers. Also, I bet Smallville does really well in DVD sales. Sci-Fi is more of a niche market but has the most devoted fans, as evidenced here on Ksite.

[krpto]

Oops. That hyphen does make a difference huh? :)

Oh no. Please tell me you're just giving your best guess on Erica's contract. If they attempt to do a Season 9 with her still on her Superman Returns restrictions based contract...just don't do Season 9 then. No more 13 episodes and maybe 3 extras tops seasons, I can't take it anymore. I have no official source (and hate to say anything because of that 'cause it's probably wrong) but weren't Tom, Erica and John G. having extensions through S8 and Michael, Kristin and Allison only being signed through S7 the big to-do with the past spring's contract negotiations? The rumor (again, hate basing it on this but it's all I saw) was that Tom and John G. signed extensions when S5 took off through S8 and Erica signing that year signed for S8 as well. But back then when Erica signed Superman Returns hadn't come out yet and DC was still super anal about her number of episodes and 8 zillion restrictions on their use of Lois. I cannot BELIEVE that stupid movie is still affecting this show, I really hope it's not.

Is there any way PS3 would be up for a Q&A regarding S9 early next year with the site? Erica fans have asked for years what the deal with ep restrictions is but post Superman Returns they've only told us a vague "there are many factors". I mean, if DC Comics/WB Features is the bad guy then I wish the showrunners would say it's out of their hands and to write them. But if it's the showrunners decision then I wish they'd be honest with us and not evade the "why won't you give Erica a full season?" question. We've done petitions, we've sent letters, but the best we've gotten is she might get 3 extra episodes this year. I figure it's best to let PS3 hear our voices on this as early as possible so they can finally make Erica full-time in Season 9 if it happens. Her fans want an honest answer and want to know what if anything we can do to help change it. It'd be nice if next year at mid-season hiatus when the "new episodes January 15th" trailer comes up, it actually MEANS January 15th for Lois fans and not February 12th.

Sorry, I know I ramble when it comes to this issue, but I'm just very passionate about it. :)

Personally I think the only character that should be in every episode from now till the series finale should be clark that siad lois should also be in a majority of the episodes each season but clark can be superman and develop his feelings for lois without her constantly being around endangering herself and his secret while he's trying to fight a villian yes she's a reporter but she should always be the first one ther after clark without knowing his secret and there are times where she will be on a different story then clark so she will have to be away finding info wich will be boring if it doesn't add to the plot.

[Darkside]

Bloodline had more viewers than in Brid. Wonder why? Was it because of Kara?

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'm pretty sure Erica is signed up for a Season 9 already. By my calculations, she probably did a five year contract when she became a series regular, so: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

By the way... when you all say "resigned" on here it makes me think "quit." Might want to add a hyphen in there for "re-signed," as in, signed up again. :)

Lets hope Erica is already signed on for Season Nine and a full season. :D

Also lets keep hoping as well that Tom re-signs for a Season Nine. :cool:

[Alicia Chipy]

A lot of my Smallville watching co-workers dropped out during season six.I'm campaigning to bring them back to the fold and so far they like what they see.Many were sick of Clana holding Clark back fom his destiny,and Clarks' ambilbilence towards embracing his powers.They also are pro-Clois,so the excitement for the show is back.

[6-Super-Man -5]

They should return, a lot of things have changed!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Bloodline had more viewers than in Brid. Wonder why? Was it because of Kara?

"Bloodline" had 4.46 million viewers in the final ratings. "Bride" has 4.77 million viewers, but that could (and probably will) drop once the finals are released. We'll have to wait and see if they drop below "Bloodline" or not.

[6-Super-Man -5]

"Bloodline" had 4.46 million viewers in the final ratings. "Bride" has 4.77 million viewers, but that could (and probably will) drop once the finals are released. We'll have to wait and see if they drop below "Bloodline" or not.

It would suck if it did.

[ClarkyBoy14]

A lot of my Smallville watching co-workers dropped out during season six.I'm campaigning to bring them back to the fold and so far they like what they see.Many were sick of Clana holding Clark back fom his destiny,and Clarks' ambilbilence towards embracing his powers.They also are pro-Clois,so the excitement for the show is back.

A lot of my friends don't like SV even though they've seen little to none of it. (One of my friend's said he hates it, but he's never even seen an episode. :lol:) I do have a couple of friends who watch it though, and they really like this season.

[6-Super-Man -5]

A lot of my friends don't like SV even though they've seen little to none of it. (One of my friend's said he hates it, but he's never even seen an episode. :lol:) I do have a couple of friends who watch it though, and they really like this season.

I have a friend that hated Smallville last season so much he would cover his ears when he heard the name, and I had to force him to watch this season and now its his favorite show. :lol:

[ClarkyBoy14]

The problem with offering Tom more directing jobs is that it effects his ability to be in certain eps, namely the ones that come before he directs. And you can get away with that once a year. Maybe twice. But how many eps are we willing to have very little Clark in? For me, those eps are usually pretty awful, Void, Sleeper, Static.

Producing cred though? Should be a no-brainer. Give it to him.

They could give him an episode that they start filming right after a break (there are three of those, right?), but that could be bad since Tom would have to give up a part of his break, probably.

And no matter what, there are going to be a few episodes that focus on other characters, so they just need to make sure that (a) the episode is good and (b) Tom gets to direct the following one. They should have given Tom "Instinct" to direct.

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I have a friend that hated Smallville last season so much he would cover his ears when he heard the name, and I had to force him to watch this season and now its his favorite show. :lol:

:lol:

I don't think I'd be able to force my friend to watch SV, though.

[6-Super-Man -5]

:lol:

I don't think I'd be able to force my friend to watch SV, though.

Took a while to get him to watch Smallville. :p

[Tompouce]

Lets hope Erica is already signed on for Season Nine and a full season. :D

Also lets keep hoping as well that Tom re-signs for a Season Nine. :cool:
Sorry, but if Erica is already signed for Season 9 and Tom doesn't want to, that doesn't improve matters for us...:\

[6-Super-Man -5]

Sorry, but if Erica is already signed for Season 9 and Tom doesn't want to, that doesn't improve matters for us...:\

Just saying, lets keep hoping.

[Tompouce]

You are right, optimism is our slogan:D

[Clana Kent]

Monday? Bummer. I was hoping we'd hear we hit a new season high by now.

For S9, I know nothing for sure but from the earlier showrunner interviews this year it sounded like Allison, Aaron, Cassidy, Sam and Justin are all signed for S9. I think Tom and Erica are the two that have to be resigned. I think outside of a pay raise that giving Tom some incentives like more directing opportunities would be a good move, he really seems into that. In regards to Erica, giving her FULL-TIME finally in her new deal on top of a pay raise is the way to go IMO. We cannot have another 2 regulars only season for S9, especially since there will be no Kristin available to give them 5 extra episodes. Give Tom more directing shots/an exec producer credit and give Erica full-time PS3, please.

Maybe if they paid enough and gave her a believable plot, they could bring Kristin back for another 2 or 3 episodes in S9, just to have some familiar faces in the show and something to look forward to ;)
And of course Erica should have 22 episodes, just like Tom, Allison, Cassidy and Justin. I really doubt that Sam would return for another season, but that's just my thoughts ;) Aaron Ashmore could return for another 13 episodes or so and they could have some guest appearances by Perry White! And maybe show that Martha Kent is still alive and well. I hope we'll get to see her again some day :)

Also, another guest appearance by Peyton List as Lucy Lane would be fine ;) Or even MR as LL back for an episode or so :) They could hide his hair under some kind of fake skin (don't know how to call that in english), since he's not interested in going bald again ;)
Oh, and of course the justice league should return a few times :) This time actually featuring Cyborg and the Flash instead of just mentioning them ;)

My list or regulars for S9 would be: Tom, Allison, Erica, Justin, Cassidy, Aaron and maybe Sam or another (new) character. (such as Bruce Wayne haha)



But to get to the topic: I rubbed my eyes three times when I saw the ratings for this episode! I thought it would do so well! Anyways, I'm looking forward to the final ratings on Monday :)

[alejandrita439]

i hope we get a good final ratings :D:D

[6-Super-Man -5]

Same here!

[SparkleforSmallville]

Oh No, :[ I just heard on the News, The Talks broke down this morning with the Screen Actors Guild and the Studios. SAG is going to ask it's members to authorize a Strike!
A STRIKE! This would kill network TV They are already struggling with the low RATINGS!

I wonder if the Actors would vote NO! Would that be going against their Union?

[6-Super-Man -5]

They better not!
Or this could mean... no Season Nine!

[Seeya'round Smallville]

I'm not gonna worry about that. Does anyone see any support in this economy for a Hollywood strike, less than a year after the last one? The general public will have no patience for it and I'm guessing half SAG's members won't have the patience for it. People refusing to go to their jobs when lots of people can't even get a job = not smart.

[eas]

I'm pretty sure Erica is signed up for a Season 9 already. By my calculations, she probably did a five year contract when she became a series regular, so: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.

By the way... when you all say "resigned" on here it makes me think "quit." Might want to add a hyphen in there for "re-signed," as in, signed up again. :)

:lol: You're right - that is confusing.

Craig - does this mean that Durance would have signed on as "series regular with 13 episodes" back then? Meaning - is she stuck at 13 eps for S9, with no hope of re-negotiating? I had assumed that she an annual contract, with hope of renewal - if both sides agreed. And I thought that meant that the 13 count was always up for re-negotiation.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Erica better be in ALL the episodes for Season Nine.
PS3 better be begging Tom to re-sign.

[geminis]

I'm not gonna worry about that. Does anyone see any support in this economy for a Hollywood strike, less than a year after the last one? The general public will have no patience for it and I'm guessing half SAG's members won't have the patience for it. People refusing to go to their jobs when lots of people can't even get a job = not smart.

Exactly.

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Erica better be in ALL the episodes for Season Nine.
PS3 better be begging Tom to re-sign.

ITA! And sign me up for both of them!

[6-Super-Man -5]

ITA! And sign me up for both of them!

Yeah, if they don't, there is no point in a Season Nine...
So lets keep hoping!

[costas22]

Didn't Erica debut in season 4?So that would make this season her fifth one.Unless she signed on once she was in the credits.

[Jaderoyale]

Are the finals out yet? Have i missed the post with them in it? :\

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Didn't Erica debut in season 4?So that would make this season her fifth one.Unless she signed on once she was in the credits.

Erica debued in S4. So that makes s8 her 5th season, and if theres a s9 that would be her 6th.
You could say she wasn't exactly classed as a series regular then as she wasn't in the credits. And if you count that, then that would make this season her 4h.

[Clana Kent]

If S4 was her first, than season 8 is her fifth season... if S5 was her first, season 8 would be her fourth.

No way! Not another writers strike :(

[costas22]

It's not a writers' strike.We could possibly be in for an Actors' strike.It's not final yet.The SAG will hold an election and they will need 75% of the votes in order to have a strike.I don't know what to make of it.They do have valid points but with the world's economy in such a bad shape they could have taken a step back.As far as Smallville goes,i don't know if that will hamper season 8 in any way.I believe that the shooting goes on until March or April.That could be the same time that a possible strike is put into motion.

[jwm]

Erica debued in S4.But she didn't become a "regular" until 5 is how I understand it. S4 was supposed to be just a few episodes and then they kept bringing her back. I don't think she actually had a contract in s4.

[Mr.Magic]

But she didn't become a "regular" until 5 is how I understand it. S4 was supposed to be just a few episodes and then they kept bringing her back. I don't think she actually had a contract in s4.

What's your point? John Glover wasn't a regular in season 1. That doesn't mean that he wasn't part of the season.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm not gonna worry about that. Does anyone see any support in this economy for a Hollywood strike, less than a year after the last one? The general public will have no patience for it and I'm guessing half SAG's members won't have the patience for it. People refusing to go to their jobs when lots of people can't even get a job = not smart.

I agree. I hope that the actors are smart enough to realize that it would be ridiculous to go on strike right now. I would think that, the way things are, that most actors would want to hold onto their jobs.

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What's your point? John Glover wasn't a regular in season 1. That doesn't mean that he wasn't part of the season.

No one said ED wasn't a part of S4. We're trying to decide whether or not she was under contract for that season, and whether or not that would mean she's already signed on for a possible S9.

[Tompouce]

Sorry but what is it SAG ? Thanks

[Jaderoyale]

Sorry but what is it SAG ? Thanks

Screen Actors Guild.

[Tompouce]

Thank you. I am going to turn professional with all your abbreviations lol

[6-Super-Man -5]

If S4 was her first, than season 8 is her fifth season... if S5 was her first, season 8 would be her fourth.

No way! Not another writers strike :(

I think she is already signed on for Season Nine.

[davidbrenton]

I have no idea whether Erica's contract ends this year or next. Someone said that getting Erica for all 22 episodes is like Denise Richards, complicated.

[dayal]

This episode was just excellent...I love the direction Smallville is heading into!!

[ClarkyBoy14]

So what are you all predicting for the finals for "Bride" and the L+7's for "Bloodline" tomorrow?

"Bride" - 4.51 million
"Bloodline" - 5.07 million

[SparkleforSmallville]

So what are you all predicting for the finals for "Bride" and the L+7's for "Bloodline" tomorrow?

"Bride" - 4.51 million
"Bloodline" - 5.07 million

I'm guessing:

Bride: Final = 4.48 mil. {I'd like it to be the highest rated this Season}
Bloodline: Live+7 = 5.10 mil.

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Today, on iTunes top downloads, "Bride" is #7.:)

[davidbrenton]

BRIDE Final = 4.48. I agree with Sparkle.

[Wicked Lois]

You know who makes the ratings go up and up, right? I know the shoe is good then ever (at least for me) but i've convinced so many people to watch it this season... I think all the SV fans are doing a great job talking about the show.

[6-Super-Man -5]

The numbers are still good!

[Iluvgreen]

We got great ratings this week.

[PJBoy]

Wait! Is 4.48 the final rating or your guesses?

[davidbrenton]

Our guesses.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Just our guesses. :)
I feel like Chloiac, scrolling thru the Ratings Forum to find the Finals. Still nothing.*sigh*

[davidbrenton]

Release The Hooouuuunnndddd***sss

[Kevin24]

Nothing yet?

[SparkleforSmallville]

While we're waiting, OT: SAG Pres. said a Strike auth. is a tool they use to get the Studios back to the bargaining table. AMPTP said, that tool ain't gonna work, might as well call for a Strike. Sounds like SAG wants Residuals(Like they get for Re-Runs and DVD's) from the Internet. If ABC Studios decided to develop a project under ABC.com, then the Actors would get no Residuals, which alot live on. Really high paid Actors are not the majority of SAG. This was on my Local CW News.

We probably need a Forum, like we had for the WGA Strike ( I just PM'd Craig )

[JAMHEXXX]

I saw on the Nielsen Wire website that the CW averaged 3.8 million viewers for the evening of Nov. 20th.

[kookykrumbs]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Ratings-Smallville-Supernatural-1000064.aspx

It says on the tvguide website that 4.77 million viewers tuned in for 'Bride'.

[JAMHEXXX]

4.18 million is the final number.

3.34 million for Supernatural.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I was hoping for more, could've been worse. Better than last week.
They should be able to estimate Pittsburg's usual viewers for SV, instead
of deducting the whole Market:confused:

At least the networks know a large chunk was deducted.*sigh*
btw, Thanks JAMHEXXX for getting it.

So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.18 mil.


Still no Live+7 for Bloodline, yet.

[davidbrenton]

4.18 million is the final number.

3.34 million for Supernatural.

Wowser. See what a difference "Abyss" can make. That's when people went bye-bye. I called it!

I hate being right, but I'm tooting my own horn here. It's the only good that can come of this.

[Atomic girl]

MOD NOTE: Please use this thread for it's intended purpose, not the possible SAG strike.
Link to thread already set up for possible SAG strike:http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113688

[Routh]

Decent numbers, but not a good lead-out from the numbers of Identity and Bloodline.

[eas]

Wowser. See what a difference "Abyss" can make. That's when people went bye-bye. I called it!

I hate being right, but I'm tooting my own horn here. It's the only good that can come of this.

Yeah, you're right. I had a feeling that Abyss's numbers would affect "Bride".

[JAMHEXXX]

Decent numbers, but not a good lead-out from the numbers of Identity and Bloodline.

Blame crappy Abyss for that.

[costas22]

That's disappointing.I guess once you lose viewers you can't get them back.Who knows?Maybe people were tuning in until they saw Laura Vandervoort.Their interest must have faded after that.Legion is the last chance for the show start going up again.If that rating doesn't raise and with Lois absent until Infamous,the ratings might struggle to stay over the 4mil mark.

[JAMHEXXX]

I think you people need to understand the Pittsburgh market is the MOST watched market in the NFL, typically receiving a 52.3 rating/80 share. That is unbelievable!

Bride was an increase of over 600,000 viewers from Abyssmal, so at least it is on an upward track once again.

All is not lost, but I do think the departure of Lois for the first Four episodes after the hiatus as well as the hiatus itself is going to kill the rest of the season.

[Timester]

Wowser. See what a difference "Abyss" can make. That's when people went bye-bye. I called it!

I hate being right, but I'm tooting my own horn here. It's the only good that can come of this.

Actually, I honestly think you are wrong.

We can't tell how much the fact that Abyss was not seen by many people last week affected also this week. Especially when we do have threads of people complaining that they didn't got Smallville in NY again.

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All is not lost, but I do think the departure of Lois for the first Four episodes after the hiatus as well as the hiatus itself is going to kill the rest of the season.

Not really. The show have proven that all these years as been ALL ABOUT CLARK. Clark = ratings, ratings = Clark.

I know it, I have been on these ratings thread for years now.

Now all depends how Legion is promoted.

[joesmallville]

If you have a show like Smallville which is watched by mostly males and you go up against the NFL(Even if it is on the NFL Network), you are going to take a hit in the ratings. Especially when the Steelers are the second most popular team in the country behind the Cowboys.

[Timester]

If you have a show like Smallville which is watched by mostly males and you go up against the NFL(Even if it is on the NFL Network), you are going to take a hit in the ratings.

Exactly.

[JAMHEXXX]

Actually, I honestly think you are wrong.

We can't tell how much the fact that Abyss was not seen by many people last week affected also this week. Especially when we do have threads of people complaining that they didn't got Smallville in NY again.

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Not really. The show have proven that all these years as been ALL ABOUT CLARK. Clark = ratings, ratings = Clark.

I know it, I have been on these ratings thread for years now.

Now all depends how Legion is promoted.

If the ratings stay above 4 million I would gladly come back and eat crow. But I firmly believe the ratings will be sub 4 million after the break.

[myankskent]

If the ratings stay above 4 million I would gladly come back and eat crow. But I firmly believe the ratings will be sub 4 million after the break.

Eventually, they will be sub 4 million because that's the trend in recent years, but I still think that Smallville has a chance of staying above 4 million, at least for the first few episodes after the hiatus.

[davidbrenton]

If the ratings stay above 4 million I would gladly come back and eat crow. But I firmly believe the ratings will be sub 4 million after the break.

Although I think Timester is right about the direction of the show being positive (And probably best for the story), I've got to side with you on the ratings slump. We'll get our best ratings out of Legion and then it's downhill until Lois' return. Mind you, it'll take two eps at least for them to start climbing to current season avg, but they definitely will starting with Infamous.

I'm on JAMHEXXX's side and have already proven I'll eat crow too.

Clarification - I think the show will hover AROUND or BELOW 4 million AFTER Legion. (3.5-4.05 range). We're not gonna be close to cracking 5mil as we have been the first half.

[SparkleforSmallville]

If the ratings stay above 4 million I would gladly come back and eat crow. But I firmly believe the ratings will be sub 4 million after the break.

One word, "Legion".
Would you like your Crow, fried or baked? :D

[JAMHEXXX]

Eventually, they will be sub 4 million because that's the trend in recent years, but I still think that Smallville has a chance of staying above 4 million, at least for the first few episodes after the hiatus.

I see it completely opposite of you. I think the ratings will start sub4 then rise above 4 million after a few (4) episodes.

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One word, "Legion".
Would you like your Crow, fried or baked? :D

Grilled please.

[Kevin24]

4.18 is still pretty good but not what I had hoped for. At least when Smallville comes back we won't have to worry about Thursday night football anymore. The football games really had an impact on Smallville the past two weeks.

I still expect it to average over 4 million viewers on the year. Legion is a big epsiode that is been written by a well known comic book writer and will feature many many comic book elements. If the CW promotes it will I don't see why it won't at least do 4 million.

January is winter time and that means its really cold out so more people might start watching more TV during the winter.

[davidbrenton]

January is winter time and that means its really cold out so more people might start watching more TV during the winter.

Well, you're right for about 1/2 of the USA. Don't forget about Florida, Hawaii, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Mississippi and all those places. Ya here?

[SparkleforSmallville]

Well, you're right for about 1/2 of the USA. Don't forget about Florida, Hawaii, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Mississippi and all those places. Ya here?

I can only speak for Texas and Calif., But in Jan. it gets cold here! Brrr! Northerners may not think so, but to us it's Freezing:lol: I'll be staying in!

[davidbrenton]

I can only speak for Texas and Calif., But in Jan. it gets cold here! Brrr! Northerners may not think so, but to us it's Freezing:lol: I'll be staying in!

Yeah, I was looking at a map to try and guesstimate which areas got cold. Hey, California doesn't get cold in January. It rains a lot. But, my only reference is LA area. Other areas may get cold. I'm in Jersey myself.

Another explanation for higher TV ratings: The economy.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yeah, I was looking at a map to try and guesstimate which areas got cold. Hey, California doesn't get cold in January. It rains a lot. But, my only reference is LA area. Other areas may get cold. I'm in Jersey myself.

Another explanation for higher TV ratings: The economy.

The Calif. Mountains and Hi-Desert do get cold, I've always been a Southerner,
so our opinions on what's cold, differ I'm sure:)

[SnowBird]

Speaking of the cold weather, it is snowing here in mid-Michigan today. Roads are bad and it could get worse by morning. I'm definately looking forward to staying inside with hot chocolate watching Smallville. I wish I had one of those Neilson boxes. I don't watch football either. Isn't the weekend and Monday night football enough. I feel bad for the Smallville fans that get it taken away for something else. Not Fair!

[batfinx]

Although I think Timester is right about the direction of the show being positive (And probably best for the story), I've got to side with you on the ratings slump. We'll get our best ratings out of Legion and then it's downhill until Lois' return.

You're actually both right. Yes, it's about Clark and about his destiny and moving forward and so falling for Lois Lane is a big part of that. Clark is becoming more proactive and being the hero he was destined to be. He's a reporter at the Planet now and he and Lois have been doing the flirtation tango. It's all connected. Clois is the ship of destiny and the audience knows that, just as they know he's a mild-mannered reporter for a great Metropolitan newspaper. So it's not just about shippers so much as that particular ship represents another step forward towards his destiny.

I don't think it's Lana's return or Lois's absence, per se, that could kill ratings in January, rather it's how long it will be drawn out and how it's handled. If they try and rekindle the romantic Clana, then sure there's going to be viewers who'll run screaming believing they've been tricked yet again. They have no reason to believe it will end for real this time if it drags on episode after episode with no Lois in sight. And it won't be helped by a two month hiatus and a shipper heavy show like Bones being up against Smallville in January. That was a smart move by FOX. In January that network dominates because of American Idol and so 20 million viewers will see ads for Bones compared to two or three million who'll see ads for Smallville. I hate to be pessimistic, but I don't see any light at the end of this particular tunnel.

[ClarkyBoy14]

L+7 for "Bloodline" is 5.02 million. Highest L+7 since last season's "Wrath" (5.12). I have a feeling we'll see a drop for "Abyss" next week, though.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/24/greys-anatomy-again-has-most-dvr-viewers-90210-has-greatest-dvr-increase/8680

11 SMALLVILLE CW 5,020 3,995 1,025 25.7%

4.18 isn't bad, but it should have been much better. These darn pre-emptions are killing us. :\

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I see it completely opposite of you. I think the ratings will start sub4 then rise above 4 million after a few (4) episodes.

Jan. ratings have never been below 4 million except for last season, and that was due to the strike, CW not promoting well, and CW waiting until the last day of Jan. to air SV.

This year we return with the LOSH, penned by a famed comics writer, and it's airing mid-Jan., there's no strike (hopefully), and CW already promoted it.

I'm not saying we're guaranteed to return above four million, but I think the chances are much higher for that to happen this year than last year.