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Chlollie

11-13-2008, 05:15 AM

Ratings

bizzaroboy9

11-13-2008, 11:07 AM

i could see it breaking the 5 million mark overnight but final numbers near 4.50 million viewers

ZODisGOD

11-13-2008, 01:09 PM

Some stupid football game will be airing tonight(NYC area) rather than Smallville. How much will that affect ratings?

Karafan1

11-13-2008, 02:00 PM

I'm guessing the game will also be on in the Boston area so that might knock the ratings down a little also..

skylar

11-13-2008, 02:22 PM

I really hope the rating don't take a wrong turn down hill because of the football game or because of NO Lois.

Jory

11-13-2008, 04:06 PM

Both the New York area (a huge portion of the ratings come from there) and parts of New England (including the Boston area) will be pre-empted tonight. With both New York and Boston out as far as viewership, I think the ratings will take a tumble. NY and Boston are huge media markets. The ratings will hurt due to the preemptions in two major media markets.

ClarkyBoy14

11-13-2008, 04:17 PM

I'm really not that optimistic regarding tonight's ratings. Not only will "Abyss" be preempted in major markets, but the trailer showed little Clark and the online clip showed NO Clark, and that's not good.

Two good things are that it's following a good and well-received episode, and it seems like "Abyss" will advance some of S8's big plots.

I'm hoping for at least 4.25 million viewers, but I'm expecting more like 4.10 million.

Regardless, the FNs are going to be very high due to football.

----- Added 9 Minutes later -----

Here's how "Bloodline" ranked in total viewership on CW for the week of 11/3-11/9.

1. Smallville 4.46 million viewers
2. America's Next Top Model 3.82
3. Supernatural 3.24
4. Gossip Girl 3.16
5. One Tree Hill 3.02
6. 90210 2.95
7. Priviliged 1.85
8. Stylista 1.82
9. Everybody Hates Chris 1.75
10. The Game 1.67
11. ANTM (R) 1.53
12. In Harm's Way (R) 0.69
13. Valentine (R) 0.63
14. Easy Money (R) 0.49

----- Added 17 Minutes later -----

Here are the season averages in total viewership for shows on the CW:

1. Smallville (8 episodes) 4.23
2. America's Next Top Model (10) 3.99
3. Supernatural (8) 3.36
4. One Tree Hill (9) 3.32
t. 90210 (9) 3.32
6. Gossip Girl (9) 3.30
7. Priviliged (8) 2.03
8. Stylista (3) 1.98
9. Everybody Hates Chris (6) 1.74
10. The Game (6) 1.71

You know, it's pretty bad for a net when its most watched show is also its oldest. :\

SparkleforSmallville

11-13-2008, 05:46 PM

I don't know whether to guess high and maybe be disappointed, or to guess low and be happy:lol: I'm so indecisive:/
How about 4.15 mil.
Let's just stay above 4 mil. and I'll be happy!

Blue Orange NY

11-13-2008, 07:18 PM

hmmm I'm going to say it drops a little because of the football game, I'll go with 4.4

jqedward

11-13-2008, 08:46 PM

hmmm I'm going to say it drops a little because of the football game, I'll go with 4.4
What football game?

6-Super-Man -5

11-13-2008, 08:57 PM

Ratings will probably drop, because of that Football game... :mad:

wolverine316

11-13-2008, 11:35 PM

New York one of the biggest markets without Smallville? The rating drops tremendously.

costas22

11-14-2008, 06:07 AM

I am no expert when it comes to ratings in the US.In Greece we have a different system.So all i have to say is that i hope Abyss stays over 4mil.It wasn't as good as Bloodline and it didn't have Lois,so 4mil will be a success.However after that Bride trailer i am expecting a huge ratings spike for that one.

skully

11-14-2008, 06:08 AM

Damn football, damn it all to hell. :(

DontCha

11-14-2008, 07:59 AM

thats what you get with No lois and a football game

Fallen One

11-14-2008, 08:07 AM

Damn football, damn it all to hell. :(

Lord forgive him, for he does not mean what he says.

I got your back, Skully. Whew. Close call there. Wouldn't want any lightning to hit you.

geminis

11-14-2008, 09:01 AM

Lord forgive him, for he does not mean what he says.

I got your back, Skully. Whew. Close call there. Wouldn't want any lightning to hit you.

:rotfl:

And OMG, Cedric, I miss the anteater, but your new avi makes up for the loss.:)

Football, and no Lois. Smallville will be lucky if it stays above 4 mil this week.

But how much am I loving that Smallville and Supernatural are above everything else on the CW's playlist. Am ignoring ANTM, because it's not that surprising that top model wannabes would best two brothers, even such hot ones as Sam and Dean. But despite the fact that Smallville is eight seasons in, Clark Kent is still head and shoulders above the so called super models. Not so super after all, are we ladies? Mwah hah, hah.

stenochick

11-14-2008, 09:12 AM

Well, Jacksonville, Florida, is in da house!! We are the number one CW market as far as ratings go. A fraction of the population of NY Tri-state and Boston, though.

geminis

11-14-2008, 09:20 AM

Well, Jacksonville, Florida, is in da house!! We are the number one CW market as far as ratings go. A fraction of the population of NY Tri-state and Boston, though.

Can't discount the Midwest or the East coast either. Despite the East coast's usual snobbery/disregard towards the rest of U.S. Americans.

Kal-alien

11-14-2008, 09:31 AM

hey, I'm east coast! What's with the East Coast hating?

stenochick

11-14-2008, 09:37 AM

Can't discount the Midwest or the East coast either. Despite the East coast's usual snobbery/disregard towards the rest of U.S. Americans.

I'm an NYC-elitist-snob transplant to the south, by the way! :)

LuckyLois

11-14-2008, 09:43 AM

I wish I could have watched it. I HATE FOOTBALL. The only football I like to watch is Clark throwing one around in his jersey. Hope the ratings at least make it near 4 million.

buffywill07

11-14-2008, 09:45 AM

Second in the 8 p.m. hour was ABC’s Ugly Betty (6.4/10), followed by NBC’s lackluster My Name is Earl (4.3/ 7) and the awful Kath & Kim (3.4/ 5), Fox’s uneventful Kitchen Nightmares (3.4/ 5), and the CW’s fading Smallville (2.8/ 4). Someone should tell Molly Shannon that Kath & Kim is an ongoing half-hour sitcom, not a sketch on Saturday Night Live.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/200104911/m/217106371

batfinx

11-14-2008, 09:48 AM

i could see it breaking the 5 million mark overnight but final numbers near 4.50 million viewers

That could be very likely. The football game in the biggest market NYC could shoot the ratings over 5 million because of the game and then later when they deduct the game it could still be around 4.5 million. The good news for Smallville is a lot of people only look at the first numbers and will think the show is doing even better than it is. The false higher numbers should get it a good mention along with Supernatural which will also benefit from initial false high numbers. Even with the deduction for the football game it should do well. It's been going up this year with almost every episode.

I'm editing this to add why do they keep calling it "fading" when it's ticking upward this year? That's kind of insulting for a show that has been doing well. Of course he seemed to have something negative to say for everything "lackluster" Earl, "awful" Kath & Kim and "uneventful" Kitchen Nightmares. :lol:

Mickey_Bickey

11-14-2008, 09:50 AM

Talk about wrongful bashing here? I'm from Boston and still live in the area, and it's not right to stereotype people based on where they live.

Anyhow, on to more important things! Smallville is on channel 8, and the Patriots played on channel 5 last night, so the ratings should not be effected here like they were in NY.

ShelbyKent

11-14-2008, 09:51 AM

jimmyolsenblues

11-14-2008, 09:55 AM

CW’s fading Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.38 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 4).

4 million ain't bad but i was hoping for 5 million and doing better with 18-49....

Ginx

11-14-2008, 09:58 AM

CW’s fading Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.38 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 4).

4 million ain't bad but i was hoping for 5 million and doing better with 18-49....

Well, there were large areas that couldn't view the episode. So it would bound to be hurt a bit by it. I'm just glad that it didn't drop below 4.......

buffywill07

11-14-2008, 09:58 AM

maybe bride will get it up again..

ShelbyKent

11-14-2008, 09:59 AM

CW’s fading Smallville (Viewers: #5, 4.38 million; A18-49: #5, 1.7/ 4).

4 million ain't bad but i was hoping for 5 million and doing better with 18-49....

Comparing to other eppies....

Final Ratings

#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil.

#8 Bloodline" ~ *4.46 mil.

Based on the overnights, maybe Abyss will equal the performance of Instinct or Toxic in the final ratings? What do you guys think?

Fallen One

11-14-2008, 10:00 AM

LexFactor

11-14-2008, 10:00 AM

I think Abyss was 4.38 million in the overnight.

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/478106371

damn, you people are fast!

unex||den||adel

11-14-2008, 10:10 AM

^ lol, nice rating, despite the football, if it wasnt for football, it should be more than this, not bad at all..

LexFactor

11-14-2008, 10:11 AM

But won't it go down in the final ratings? Because of the New York thing?

myankskent

11-14-2008, 10:12 AM

4.38 is a very low rating since it also takes into account the people watching the Jets/Pats game in New York and New England. The final is going to drop by a lot.

individuall

11-14-2008, 10:12 AM

^Probably... :/

ShelbyKent

11-14-2008, 10:13 AM

4.38 is a very low rating since it also takes into account the people watching the Jets/Pats game in New York and New England. The final is going to drop by a lot. As long as we don't dip below 4.05 mil (Toxic's final rating) we should be ok, right?

unex||den||adel

11-14-2008, 10:13 AM

what..? i tot it didnt mix with the football. damn...:(

LexFactor

11-14-2008, 10:13 AM

That's a shame. I just hope it stays over 4 million.

Kal-alien

11-14-2008, 10:19 AM

I don't get Thursday Night Football. Keep it on Sundays and Mondays! I love to watch it then. Not Thursdays. They are for Smallville.

warriorrenegade

11-14-2008, 10:19 AM

That jerk doesn't stop with the "fading" comments does he? Every week he throws a jab at SV before giving out the numbers. SV lost a million viewers between the first few weeks of this season and the first few of last season. But as last week, its right on par with last season in viewers.

Ugly Betty has lost over 3 million viewers, yet he doesn't mention anything about them fading. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, bub.

And I'm only saying this here because I don't have an account on pifeedback. I would love to give him give him a piece of my mind.

I know right. I don't know the guys TV viewing habits. But come on. It's not fading. It's been gaining in the ratings since "Prey" and has been building alot of buzz. He needs to rethink his comments and stop with the personal jabs. He doesn't like the show thats fine. But his opinion carries some weight in mess. boards. Granted he's not end all be all of TV. But his opinion matters to some. If it didn't matter he wouldn't have been on TV doing interviews and giving opinions on shows etc..Just report the facts and leave the opinions to yourself unless asked for.

myankskent

11-14-2008, 10:21 AM

As long as we don't dip below 4.05 mil (Toxic's final rating) we should be ok, right?

Yeah, but you'd like to see an increase for this episode, rather than a sharp decrease. I would have to assume that more people were watching football this week in New York and New England compared to last week in Denver. So the drop in the final will most likely be greater and the overnight rating this week was considerably less than last week.

costas22

11-14-2008, 10:21 AM

I am from a foreign country.Could someone explain to me how the finals work?Because sometimes they raise and sometimes they drop.

stenochick

11-14-2008, 10:22 AM

I know right. I don't know the guys TV viewing habits. But come on. It's not fading. It's been gaining in the ratings since "Prey" and has been building alot of buzz. He needs to rethink his comments and stop with the personal jabs. He doesn't like the show thats fine. But his opinion carries some weight in mess. boards. Granted he's not end all be all of TV. But his opinion matters to some. If it didn't matter he wouldn't have been on TV doing interviews and giving opinions on shows etc..Just report the facts and leave the opinions to yourself unless asked for.

I wish he would stop with that too, but at least he doesn't use the adjectives for Kath and Kim and Kitchen Nightmares for Smallville, because those are even harsher words.

maddib

11-14-2008, 10:23 AM

Fading Smallville??? has whoever wrote that paragraph not noticed how the ratings have climbed every week. Why not add in the ratings from England now season 8s started, you'd probably have near 5 million viewers an episode.

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 10:32 AM

4.38? It did drop alot from last week. Hopefully it stays above 4 million though.

I knew it wouldn't do that well in ratings because my brother just started watching Smallville this season and he wasn't looking forward to a Chloe based epsiode. He already called it a filler when he watched the preview last week. He was wrong and really liked the epsiode but the initial thought was that it was an epsiode to be missed.

Next week should see a boost in the ratings though. I know me and my bro were pumped to see the preview :)

slimdogg23

11-14-2008, 10:38 AM

4.38 that's not including ny area is it?

warriorrenegade

11-14-2008, 10:43 AM

No the ratings did drop. But for a legit reason. To say its fading without pointing out that fact is what's aggravating. It just leaves it up to the forum to make assumptions.." Oh SV fading...well that show sucked anyways...HAHAHA".

tyson08

11-14-2008, 10:43 AM

I was under the impression 4.38 is without NY since they already knew.

LexFactor

11-14-2008, 10:46 AM

4.38 that's not including ny area is it?

Actually I think it is including NY. That's why there's an expected drop when the final ratings come in. May be wrong though.

SparkleforSmallville

11-14-2008, 10:50 AM

4.38 mil. is the Overnights. With a huge market showing football, the Final will have a significant drop. Hope it stays above 4 mil. We should get the Finals in a few hours.

"Fading Smallville"? Come on now!:mad: Mark Berman has no love for Smallville, but Craig/KryptonSite does post there to defend SV. Yay, Craig!

slimdogg23

11-14-2008, 10:50 AM

Actually I think it is including NY. That's why there's an expected drop when the final ratings come in. May be wrong though.I hope so it was a great eppy.

john100

11-14-2008, 11:02 AM

i think he is comparing it with the numbers of last year, thats why he is saying it.
i dont see it as a personal attack against smallville

Jaderoyale

11-14-2008, 11:11 AM

You know, tbh, all i'm concerned about now is Bride.
I want that to do SO well.

SparkleforSmallville

11-14-2008, 11:11 AM

i think he is comparing it with the numbers of last year, thats why he is saying it.
i dont see it as a personal attack against smallville

I understand your reasoning, however, most Networks have lower ratings this year, but MB doesn't use negative adjectives for them. He just reports the facts. To me it seems he consistently derides SV.

We'll see what he says, when the ratings from last year start being below this year.

I just have to defend Smallville :lol:

joesmallville

11-14-2008, 11:39 AM

I just want to mention that Smallville was not pre-empted in Boston, the football game was on ABC in that area. Thus the drop won't be as big as one would have expected if the show was pre-empted in both areas.

batfinx

11-14-2008, 11:46 AM

I knew it wouldn't do that well in ratings because my brother just started watching Smallville this season and he wasn't looking forward to a Chloe based epsiode. He already called it a filler when he watched the preview last week. He was wrong and really liked the epsiode but the initial thought was that it was an epsiode to be missed.

Yeah, that happens sometimes with single character centric episodes. Lex-centric eps used to drop like a stone in the ratings and the Ollie-centric ep was lower rated than the rest this year. But they did miss an interesting ep and some awesome special FX.

I was under the impression 4.38 is without NY since they already knew.

I'll look on the bright side and say that's possible since NY is the biggest market and maybe it was left out ahead of time, but usually that's not the case. I'm surprised if the game is factored in it did so poorly. It was an intense game :D And Supernatural had higher than normal ratings and so it does sound like the game was a factor there.

i think he is comparing it with the numbers of last year, thats why he is saying it.
i dont see it as a personal attack against smallville

That's no doubt true, but last year around this time (Nov 15) was Blue, which got 4.51 million. I was kind of hoping Abyss would match or surpass that, but if it couldn't do that even with the false football number boost, who knows. I'm hoping Bride will show a big bounce back, but they really better promote the hell out of it.

ms.c.

11-14-2008, 11:52 AM

Seeya'round Smallville

11-14-2008, 12:42 PM

The likelihood is the 4.38 drops significantly.

A big note: the New York Jets vs. New England Patriots game is inflating the CW’s numbers. The game aired on the CW affiliate in New York (in Boston, I think it aired on ABC and those shows are less prone to be severely impacted, but it could be that Life on Mars received a boost due to this — all of that will be adjusted in the final numbers we post on a weekly basis).

Source: TV by the Numbers (http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/11/14/thursday-ratings-csi-most-viewers-greys-anatomy-higher-demos-plus-er/8139)

Note to TPTB? Clark needs to be front and center in your trailers.

stenochick

11-14-2008, 12:54 PM

6-Super-Man -5

11-14-2008, 01:07 PM

Thats okay numbers...
I'm expecting big numbers for "Bride!"

luvinChlark

11-14-2008, 01:36 PM

Why would Smallville drop so much? I am assuming people wanted to see the return of Kara, or perhaps Clois/Lois is a big draw this season?

Lois was shown in the promo even though she wasn't in the episode,(not everyone reads spoilers) So those die-hard Lois fans would tune in after seeing her in the promo.

The problem was the promo was just bad and not interesting enough to attract viewers too much Chimmy, not enough Clark.

KSiteTV

11-14-2008, 02:23 PM

I don't know if site traffic is any indicator, but there were a lot more hits to the site than usual after the episode last night and that's continuing to be big today.

The buzz is growing and "Bride" should be HUGE. If only The CW promoted it. It wouldn't hurt if everyone who is happy with the show at this time told their friends to be sure to watch next week.

I do think last week the return of Laura Vandervoort helped ratings a bit. On that same note, I think the return of Kristin Kreuk will also bring some people back to the show. Whether you like Lana or not, she does have a big following, and even those who may not have been the hugest Lana fans might be curious to see how they pull it off.

Now if only they'd bring back Rosenbaum and we'd be in business...

superhippie2000

11-14-2008, 02:25 PM

im wondering how much the football game effected the ratings :\ but ya next weeks episode should be huge.

ClarkyBoy14

11-14-2008, 02:41 PM

That number isn't good at all. I won't be surprised if the final number is below four million.

That's what the CW gets when they do a lousy job wrt promotion.

Jack-El49

11-14-2008, 02:43 PM

I think next week's episosde will be huge. If the NFL doesn't preempt SV in some major market again, we'll be up near 5 million IMO.

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 02:44 PM

RedKRules

11-14-2008, 02:52 PM

Me too :lol:

cRaZySuPeRmAn89

11-14-2008, 02:54 PM

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 02:55 PM

Seeya'round Smallville

11-14-2008, 03:01 PM

Just so I understand this all: The overnights are the ratings for whoever was watching the CW and then they will filter out the markets that were watching football on the CW instead of Smallville on the CW? And then do they add back in the numbers for the Saturday night 6pm airing of Smallville in those markets?

That's correct. Except they didn't re-add Saturday night numbers last week for "Bloodline" (not sure if it ever ended up airing in the Denver area) so they won't do that here either.

OUCH. I hope "Bride" doesn't take a hit because of this. Kristin's return will help numbers wise and the trailer & cliffhanger combo will hopefully get things back on track. Prior to this week I thought "Bride" could hit 5 million, but "Abyss" was a horrible misfire so now I really doubt it. No coincidence that another trailer with nothing to do basically with the main character (ala Toxic) ended up with the worst ratings. TPTB, we get that you love Chloe and really that's cool and all, but no more Chloe-centric episodes. As you can see? General audience? Not interested.

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 03:05 PM

I know when Clark hasn't appeared in the trailers the numbers have gone this season. That is amazing how low the ratings have dropped though. It went from 4.46 million to 3.55?

Thursday Night football had a big impact on Smallville last night. It was a big game to decide to took control of the AFC EAST and it went down to the wire. It was a great game but I stopped watching it once Smallville started.

LexFactor

11-14-2008, 03:07 PM

geminis

11-14-2008, 03:08 PM

LMAO, I have hit the refresh button more then I ever have in the history of my computer usage.

WOW, it went under 4 million?? We lost over a million viewers from last week? Holy cow!

Is the New York area a big part of the viewership of Smallville?

I believe it is. I didn't mean to sound like I was hating on the East coast earlier, just frustrated because we in the Midwest are usually ignored or discounted by both coasts. But we are the home of Clark Kent, superhero to all.

Not really surprised that the numbers are below 4 million, I was expecting it. Football, lots of people on the East coast who weren't able to see it, little or no advertising, what there was didn't show Clark, and no Lois. Not a recipe for win or big number results. ANTM is sure to beat out Smallville this week. But for Bride, it might be a battle royale.

Malicieux Toutou

11-14-2008, 03:11 PM

Notice the big jump in ratings from last week for "Kitchen Nightmares." Where I live (Kansas), this show aired on the channel and time that Smallville usually airs. I even accidentally DVR'ed it. The other channel that usually airs Smallville had the football game on. So I had to resort to alternative method's for seeing last nights episode.

cloisthelegendbegins

11-14-2008, 03:11 PM

Is there any way of getting the break down? Did figures rise in the second half? I know a lot of people who didn't watch the eppy but tuned in for the Bride trailer. And the buzz for Bride is already INSANE.

ITA it was very poorly promoted tho. Clips of Clark raising the fortress and talking to Jor-El would have helped greatly.

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 03:12 PM

Tompouce

11-14-2008, 03:14 PM

[quote=KryptonSite;4161740]I don't know if site traffic is any indicator, but there were a lot more hits to the site than usual after the episode last night and that's continuing to be big today.
quote]
Perhaps, that's why I have some problems with the connexion, sometimes the site doesn't respond...

minerva73

11-14-2008, 03:19 PM

Yeah and with the Jets and Patriots playing I'm sure alot of New Yorkers were watching that game. it is a big rivalry game within the division.

The final rating dipped well below the 4 million mark though. I guess New York accounts for 1/4 of the viewers.

I agree especially since it wasn't just any regular game in the season like when Chicago got preempted perviously this season. The game was a pretty big deciding factor for the rest of the season, but regardless, the ratings drop was extremely big.

Without the pre-emption, I'm guessing it would've just barely made 4 million viewers this week.

That's what the CW gets when they do a lousy job wrt promotion.

The thing is that they promoted it just like they promoted other episodes this season and they got way more views. And the fact that this one had a webclip also enhanced the promotion since so many people go onto YouTube and they could see that under the CW's official page if they just searched for the episode title or something.

eas

11-14-2008, 03:23 PM

I have to believe that this was about football. New York is pretty huge.... and it impacts New Jersey, too.

I don't think the ratings would have been higher than last week's even if football wasn't an issue. But they wouldn't have been THIS low.

costas22

11-14-2008, 03:24 PM

It's a shame and i like most of you here hope that it doesn't affect Bride.Can i ask something?Once Abyss is shown in New York will that alter the rating in any way?I must say that the way the rating plummeted this week,it is very difficult for Bride to do over 4.46.Lets keep our fingers crossed it does.In terms of the mythos,it is the most anticipated episode since Justice.

kookykrumbs

11-14-2008, 03:27 PM

It was a Chloe-centric episode. What more explanation is there?

eas

11-14-2008, 03:28 PM

I believe it is. I didn't mean to sound like I was hating on the East coast earlier, just frustrated because we in the Midwest are usually ignored or discounted by both coasts. But we are the home of Clark Kent, superhero to all.

Not really surprised that the numbers are below 4 million, I was expecting it. Football, lots of people on the East coast who weren't able to see it, little or no advertising, what there was didn't show Clark, and no Lois. Not a recipe for win or big number results. ANTM is sure to beat out Smallville this week. But for Bride, it might be a battle royale.

I agree with you on everything except the "little or no advertising"... I think they promoted this one as much as they promote all of them. The only difference was that there was no Clark or Lois in the promotion. It was clearly an episode that was about Chloe.

That probably impacted the ratings a bit (like "Toxic" wasn't that great) but the biggest impact was football.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

I don't know if site traffic is any indicator, but there were a lot more hits to the site than usual after the episode last night and that's continuing to be big today.

The buzz is growing and "Bride" should be HUGE. If only The CW promoted it. It wouldn't hurt if everyone who is happy with the show at this time told their friends to be sure to watch next week.

I do think last week the return of Laura Vandervoort helped ratings a bit. On that same note, I think the return of Kristin Kreuk will also bring some people back to the show. Whether you like Lana or not, she does have a big following, and even those who may not have been the hugest Lana fans might be curious to see how they pull it off.

Now if only they'd bring back Rosenbaum and we'd be in business...

I can only speak for myself, but a lot of the reason I was here was because of "Bride" spoilers.

And, yes, I do think that Kara's return last week had an impact in ratings. (Supergirl does sell, I think.) Also, I think that Lana's return will definitely sell.

Jaderoyale

11-14-2008, 03:36 PM

I just hope... HOPE this episode doesn't effect Bride next week.
The CW need to promote Bride more. The episode is going to be EPIC.
Phenominal. It needs to be promoted. I've already told all my friends to watch it, or i will destroy them (i'm nice i know :lol:)
Actually i showed them the trailer and they were like WHOOOOA.
MORE ADVERTISING. Bride deserves HUGE numbers.

myankskent

11-14-2008, 03:37 PM

That's a very low rating. Even with New York, I don't see it going above 4 million. Now, why was the rating so low? Terrible promotion is the first reason. Centering an episode around one character is probably another. Also, it is possible that people watched the football game over Smallville. It was a very good matchup.

Storm45

11-14-2008, 03:55 PM

Was there an extended trailer or director's cut like they've just been doing for Bride?

costas22

11-14-2008, 04:00 PM

Myankskent is right.Everytime they center an episode around someone other than Clark the ratings tend to suffer a bit(unless of course that someone is Lex).He is also right about the terrible promotion.From what i see here,Smallville is the CW's number one show.Why don't they promote it more?I am not afraid about Bride or Legion for that matter.It's the episodes after that that trouble me.There will be a string of episodes without Lois and personaly i believe that the strong ratings this year have to do with Clois.Who knows?Maybe Smallville is in for it's usual mid season ratings dip.

Kevin24

11-14-2008, 04:18 PM

I am pretty disappointed with the final rating. It is sad to see it go below 4 million for the first time this year.

I just know that next week it will jump in numbers.

Karafan1

11-14-2008, 04:22 PM

I'm almost certian that the Jets/Patriots game being shown in N.Y. is the reason for the drop in the ratings. Bengals vs Steelers next week so people in N.Y. can watch Smallville at the usual day and time..

bizzaroboy9

11-14-2008, 04:23 PM

im depressed now...
i love football so much but seeing this makes me hate football for good. I hoped that it would beat last year Gemini's number which was 3.71 million viewers if u didnt know
I really really hope that next week will see a huge rebound in rating and that there are no football next thursday! I pray for at least 4.5 - 5.0 million viewers! getting 5 million viewers can make up for this terrible rating

joesmallville

11-14-2008, 04:27 PM

Don't worry about this week's rating.

New York, Boston, Brett Favre that game was going to do a big number in the local markets.

Look at Ugly Betty the overnight had it at 9.2 million viewers then the final number came out to 8.25 because in Boston the game was on ABC.

jimmyolsenblues

11-14-2008, 04:28 PM

i think the football game killed the ratings...we are fine to finish out the season.
i wish we could get a 9th season; but i can't put a lot of faith in it.

AndrewVDk

11-14-2008, 04:39 PM

"Abyss" Ratings 4.38 is just fine!
''Bloodline'' was 4.81
Game being shown in N.Y. is the reason for the drop!

KSiteTV

11-14-2008, 04:54 PM

i think the football game killed the ratings...we are fine to finish out the season.
i wish we could get a 9th season; but i can't put a lot of faith in it.

I think we'll have something next season. Smallville is The CW's MVP and its pairing with Supernatural is the network's strongest night. I don't see them messing with that just yet, even if it doesn't cater to the "teenage girl" audience the network aims for.

With The Graysons not happening that improves chances even more.

Now I think the priority is to get Tom Welling signed on for S9, if he's not already... and if he doesn't, then maybe we'll see a series with hopefully an altered title in SV's place. Metropolis anyone?

celita

11-14-2008, 04:57 PM

"Abyss" Ratings 4.38 is just fine!
''Bloodline'' was 4.81
Game being shown in N.Y. is the reason for the drop!

"Abyss" Ratings 3.556 is just definetly NOT fine
''Bloodline'' was 4.49

Fixed for accurancy

marikology

11-14-2008, 05:04 PM

IMO it's a very weak coorelation to equate the change in ratings with particular character appearances. The "regular" (not online) viewer doesn't know who is appearing-- sometimes they are in the previews but not the episode, and they list every actor in the official descriptions, and there are several part-time cast members. It could just as easily be argued that people watched Bloodline last week and said, "Man, I don't wanna see that character again!" and tuned out (See Promise.) But in all likelyhood, last week's bump was because of Kara, who very clearly left SV at the end, taking some viewers with her.

We had no DC, and the CW refuses to promote the show. I watch three other shows on CW, and in those three hours, I maybe see three SV commercials.

theartist27

11-14-2008, 05:41 PM

Yes, the football game obviously had a negative affect on the ratings. But the fact that last week's trailer clearly showed that Abyss would be Chloe-centric and not Clark-centric, probably didn't help with ratings.;)

ClarkyBoy14

11-14-2008, 05:48 PM

Wow, that numbers is horrible. It's so sad to see such a low number for such a good episode. :(

Football had A LOT to do with the drop, but I also believe that this is another example that TWOP most certainly does NOT represent what the general viewer wants.

I just hope that "Bride" can rebound.

curiosity

11-14-2008, 05:56 PM

final ratings for abyss

Smallville
- 3.556 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.4/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

ouch! the cw sucks smallville was on such a go0d run i bet the cw woulda shown gossip girl instead of fo0tball if it was on thursday

It's called an all Chloe episode, there's too much Chloe, and no Lois for almost the next five episodes, and Lana coming back. I can see losing Lois for an episode or two but not this, and I can see Lana coming back for 1 episode but not 5, and it's reflected in the ratings. IMO.

I'm serious, I've been on the edge of my seat most of this season, and I love watching the Lois and Clark banter. And even when we only missed Lois for one episode it was fine. But when I saw the all Chloe epiode with no Lois for so long, I lost interest big time. I didn't even remember Smallville was coming on Thursday this week. I remembered at the last minute and turned it on as I was playing a game with a friend, and watched at the same time I played a game. I"ve never done that before. I thought the "Clark kisses Chloe", or "Clark kisses Lana" episodes were done and gone.

I'm just stating the hard truth, not trying to be a shipper or start shipper wars or anything like that. If I knew Lois would be back the next episode or included in this one, or if it was about Clark, I would have been excited. And I'm a huge Superman fan. Smallville fans are more than 50 percent Superman fans, so what's that tell you?

SalvadorianGirl

11-14-2008, 05:58 PM

Chloe-centric and not Clark-centric, probably didn't help with ratings

Chloe-centric episodes tend to do great. Problem is that no and I repeat no one likes Chlimmy. The CW failed in properly promoting the episode in making it more Chlarkoom centric. Or make it more Brainaic centered if that was the other way.

I also believe that this is another example that TWOP most certainly does NOT represent what the general viewer wants.

I don't think any site truely represents what the general viewers want.

It's called an all Chloe episode, and no Lois for the almost the next five episodes, and Lana coming back.

The general audience doesn't even know half the time which cast members are in the episode. Hell even episode descriptions list the actors that aren't even in the episode to begin with.

theartist27

11-14-2008, 06:06 PM

Yes, but the audience can choose or not choose to watch an episode based on the trailer. If the audience doesn't find the trailer interesting, they might choose to skip the episode.

OneShotClois

11-14-2008, 06:12 PM

The ratings dropping down had a lot to do with the football game that was on. Then again, the episode was Chloe-centric. And.. then they were missing Lois/Tess.

I, for one, probably wouldn't have watched.. but I forced myself to anyways. And the whole time I was 'watching' I was doing my homework, and I only looked up when I saw Clark/Oliver. But yeah, I definitely lost interest in the episode when I found out it was all about Chloe and NO Lois

SparkleforSmallville

11-14-2008, 06:37 PM

*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil.

SV ratings had been so consistent, that I have to blame the Football Game or Nielsen's estimates. I don't blame the Episode.

LuckyLois

11-14-2008, 06:53 PM

It was the game. I couldn't watch because of it.

SparkleforSmallville

11-14-2008, 06:55 PM

Bluelick ratings said:
"I don't talk about The CW anymore, but CW Thursday is worth discussing. SV and SN are very solid ratings performing shows for the network. Last night didn't include the #1 market so numbers were lower than they should've been"

myankskent

11-14-2008, 06:55 PM

I'd be interested to see what kind of numbers New York typically pulls in with an episode of Smallville. The problem is, I have no idea where to get that kind of information. I also want to know what the New York rating will be tomorrow at 6pm.

Fallen One

11-14-2008, 07:12 PM

Oh wow, now its a 3.5 rating? OUCH! That just sucks. The first episode below 4.0 of the season. And they were doing so well too.

Let that be a lesson to the producer/writer who came up with the brilliant idea to center an episode around Chloe and her epic battle with memory loss. People know boredom when they see it.

I only hope that we don't get similar ratings for episodes 12, 13, 14 and those who are spoiled know what I am referring to.

Chloe-centric episodes tend to do great.

No they don't. Tomb sucked ratings wise, so did Progeny. And lets not even mention the horror known as Sleeper. Chloe's never been a ratings draw and I doubt she ever will. Which is why I feel the WB has never (and won't ever) be put her on a DVD cover. Abyss was the Chloe centric of all Chloe centric episodes. She was in damn near ever scene. It was overkill, and thats putting it lightly.

But I do agree with Chimmy being a turnoff as well.

The general audience doesn't even know half the time which cast members are in the episode. Hell even episode descriptions list the actors that aren't even in the episode to begin with.

The previews go a long way in giving out the general plot of the episode, so do the descriptions. Younger folks have the internet to find out the episodic descriptions, older folks who aren't as internet savy still learn about whats going to happen by the TV descriptions they see on cable and/or by the TV Guide they receive in mail.

I think the general audience are more in the know than we think.

Rafael122

11-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Is it just me or is the guy on PI Feedback always negative about Smallville? Every week, he writes the rating for Smallville as some sort of surprise. It's always "and the declining Smallville" or the "rapidly dropping Smallville." He's so negative. He should be focusing on the fact that Smallville is on a network that not many people watch or know it exists, and it's within arms reach of 'major network shows' such as Kitchen Nightmares and Kathy and Kim.

Seeya'round Smallville

11-14-2008, 07:55 PM

Even if you were to give Abyss all of the viewers who watched the Jets game (821,000), and it's just a wild guess but I'd wager that is a higher number than the viewers Smallville gets for that affiliate...the episode still only got a 4.38. Even if you gave them half of that and assume that's your general SV audience for the NY affiliate? 3.968.

Bloodline had a 4.81 including football, 4.459 when they took away the entire Denver market (351,000). If you give Bloodline half of Denver's football audience to guestimate the regular SV viewing audience? Bloodline would've done a 4.6345. And Bloodline was not one of those episodes that had some revelation that pissed everyone off and made them not want to come back the next week, it was generally highly regarded. Anyway you look at, Abyss BOMBED. This should be a message loud and clear to "PS3" that the general viewing audience wants the show we've been getting for the first 8 weeks about a young Superman, not episodes centered on a supporting character. If they wanted to get viewers for this episode? They should've focused on the return of the Fortress.

davidbrenton

11-14-2008, 08:17 PM

Wow, my initial prediction on low viewership ended up being accurate. I agree that NYC Metro is the single largest ratings area and definitely affected the ratings turnout.

However, the ratings alone certainly don't go against my initial fear that this episode would get low ratings primarily due to the Chloe-centric promo (and episode). Although she's a tremendous asset to the show, her draw is primarilly with long-term viewers, and does not do much to gain interest or buzz in a non-loyal viewer type scope.

Lois/Clark and Doomsday are the primary ratings drivers as evidenced from promos and subsequent ratings ALONE. I don't believe at this point, anyone can argue those two factors correlation with the ratings at this point in the season.

The bigger question is how this episodes performance will affect awareness and viewership of BRIDE next week.

Keeping fingers crossed for the best.

WalkinDude

11-14-2008, 08:34 PM

Well, you know because of the preview for Bride the ratings are probably going to skyrocket. I personally expect 5 mil or higher on this one.

ClarkyBoy14

11-14-2008, 08:57 PM

The trailer and buzz for "Bride" will certainly help. But I'm scared for the ratings after seeing the ratings for "Abyss." I guess we'll find out in a week... :\

tyson08

11-14-2008, 08:59 PM

I blame poor promotion. Why didn't they show the FOS in the preview?

Also, football was a major blow. If football wasn't being shown, I would guess that Abyss would have gotten about 4.1 million.

Kal-ed

11-14-2008, 09:09 PM

Not featuring Clark in the Promo, it happened in Toxic and now Abyss. Also, like Timester said, any episode "someone other than Clark-centric" usually get lower raitings.

rep4clark

11-14-2008, 09:42 PM

hi fellas this is my first time on this site and i feel like i know some of you like family because i have been reading your fantastic thoughts for some time now. Here it goes, 4.16 million is were we should be with a football game taking some of the air time at designated places in the nation. If you look at the ratings of SV as if it were a football game then you can see that the highest this season have been episodes that heavily clark and lois.
I love this show with a passion but i got to admit that i was not excited about this show like i was when i saw the previews to committed, and instinct, and that was because I knew the show would be dealing with the heavy artillery, clark and lois.

----- Added 8 Minutes later -----

Wow, my initial prediction on low viewership ended up being accurate. I agree that NYC Metro is the single largest ratings area and definitely affected the ratings turnout.

However, the ratings alone certainly don't go against my initial fear that this episode would get low ratings primarily due to the Chloe-centric promo (and episode). Although she's a tremendous asset to the show, her draw is primarilly with long-term viewers, and does not do much to gain interest or buzz in a non-loyal viewer type scope.

Lois/Clark and Doomsday are the primary ratings drivers as evidenced from promos and subsequent ratings ALONE. I don't believe at this point, anyone can argue those two factors correlation with the ratings at this point in the season.

The bigger question is how this episodes performance will affect awareness and viewership of BRIDE next week.

Keeping fingers crossed for the best.

I agee 100% with what you said, and here is another delima, lets just say that Bride is really as good as the previews and we get a new cash flow of willing viewers that are just in aw of the episode, then the turn in next week only to see the reeper, two months for the new die hard viewers that are left standing, no clois, nor doomsday episodes for 4 weeks.

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Myankskent is right.Everytime they center an episode around someone other than Clark the ratings tend to suffer a bit(unless of course that someone is Lex).He is also right about the terrible promotion.From what i see here,Smallville is the CW's number one show.Why don't they promote it more?I am not afraid about Bride or Legion for that matter.It's the episodes after that that trouble me.There will be a string of episodes without Lois and personaly i believe that the strong ratings this year have to do with Clois.Who knows?Maybe Smallville is in for it's usual mid season ratings dip.

theres a song from the killers it called "CAN YOU READ MY MIND", obviously you can, great job you said it right on target.

curiosity

11-14-2008, 10:04 PM

Chloe-centric episodes tend to do great. Problem is that no and I repeat no one likes Chlimmy. The CW failed in properly promoting the episode in making it more Chlarkoom centric. Or make it more Brainaic centered if that was the other way.

I don't think any site truely represents what the general viewers want.

The general audience doesn't even know half the time which cast members are in the episode. Hell even episode descriptions list the actors that aren't even in the episode to begin with.

They know something, there's a reason a show loses a 4th of it's audience.

davidbrenton

11-14-2008, 10:19 PM

[QUOTE=rep4clark;4163231]

I agee 100% with what you said, and here is another delima, lets just say that Bride is really as good as the previews and we get a new cash flow of willing viewers that are just in aw of the episode, then the turn in next week only to see the reeper, two months for the new die hard viewers that are left standing, no clois, nor doomsday episodes for 4 weeks.
QUOTE]

Thanks. Yes. This is undoubtably going to happen. Or a worse case scenario, where ratings are okay, but buzz is so great, outside viewers tune in the following week to see what's going on and are presented with repeats for 8 months.

It's a little unfortunate - the predicament it puts a great episode like Bride in, however, the ratings have been great this season and should have a minimal overall impact on show and decision for s9.

A large hole PS3 is apprantly walking into (with full cognicense) is the effect no Lois is going to have on the show in episodes 11-14, AFTER 2 month break when they really have to WORK to get viewers back and regain momentum.

I almost see it as a given that ratings will suffer moreso then needed because of PS3's cast-involvement decision following the break.

It's very unfortunate, but still hoping for the best story and ratings wise.

KSiteTV

11-14-2008, 10:25 PM

I really don't think "ships" have a huge impact on the ratings. I think promotion, competition, and curiosity factor do, though.

Look at one of the highest rated eps of SV ever - "Aqua." People were curious to see how Aquaman would factor into the show. The episode was VERY highly promoted, in magazines and on the air. But not just that... because baseball championships ended early, FOX instead showed a repeat of "The O.C." in the timeslot, creating much weaker competition that week.

Christopher Reeve's first Smallville appearance also had that curiosity factor.

I could argue that sometimes episodes following really good ones also get a spike in the ratings, but it could have the opposite effect. "Shattered" - one of SV's best episodes - followed "Magnetic," which did it no favors.

For some reason Springtime episodes usually fare poorly too unless there's something huge like "Justice" or "Reckoning." People fall out of the habit, which is why SV was VERY smart to run 10 in a row here and then get us going again with a strong episode when the show comes back early next year.

I just hope they at least TRY to promote "Bride" because again, if today's site hits are any indication, people are REALLY curious about what's coming up.

--

And as for any drop from last year... they lost 3-4 of their popular actors and had their budget massively cut. With that considered, I think SV is doing a great job this year. It could have been a DISASTER. But there WERE large fan bases for Michael Rosenbaum, Kristin Kreuk, Laura Vandervoort, and even John Glover, who might not have any interest in seeing the show anymore.

cloisthelegendbegins

11-14-2008, 10:35 PM

Still no breakdown?

Anyone?

I was sure there were a few times we could get the half hourly???

ShelbyKent

11-14-2008, 11:56 PM

The question is what's SV's usual viewership rating whenever an eppie coincides with a big football or baseball match? Have we experienced the same kind of dip? (negative 1 mil). Does anyone remember?

If it's the same amount of dip in viewership, then I think things would go back to normal by the time Bride airs (barring any other pre-emptions) *keeps fingers crossed*

amberdawn

11-15-2008, 12:44 AM

The trailer and buzz for "Bride" will certainly help. But I'm scared for the ratings after seeing the ratings for "Abyss." I guess we'll find out in a week... :\

I'm scared now too.

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I really don't think "ships" have a huge impact on the ratings. I think promotion, competition, and curiosity factor do, though.

Look at one of the highest rated eps of SV ever - "Aqua." People were curious to see how Aquaman would factor into the show. The episode was VERY highly promoted, in magazines and on the air. But not just that... because baseball championships ended early, FOX instead showed a repeat of "The O.C." in the timeslot, creating much weaker competition that week.

Christopher Reeve's first Smallville appearance also had that curiosity factor.

I could argue that sometimes episodes following really good ones also get a spike in the ratings, but it could have the opposite effect. "Shattered" - one of SV's best episodes - followed "Magnetic," which did it no favors.

For some reason Springtime episodes usually fare poorly too unless there's something huge like "Justice" or "Reckoning." People fall out of the habit, which is why SV was VERY smart to run 10 in a row here and then get us going again with a strong episode when the show comes back early next year.

I just hope they at least TRY to promote "Bride" because again, if today's site hits are any indication, people are REALLY curious about what's coming up.

--

And as for any drop from last year... they lost 3-4 of their popular actors and had their budget massively cut. With that considered, I think SV is doing a great job this year. It could have been a DISASTER. But there WERE large fan bases for Michael Rosenbaum, Kristin Kreuk, Laura Vandervoort, and even John Glover, who might not have any interest in seeing the show anymore.

You just made me feel a little better Craig.

jack1487

11-15-2008, 03:01 AM

I think that the Live+7 will bring us well over the 4 million mark. Some of us DVR the show, and the fact that us folks who have DirecTv, and who's numbers are not counted would have given the Live+SameDay numbers more impact along with better result's!

But I do agree that the CW does a very poor job of promoting this show and need to get off of their a**'s and push the ad's both on other channels and through printed media.

Keep your head up all is not lost.....

Take Care,

Jack

harryandginnyfanatic

11-15-2008, 05:53 AM

Now I think the priority is to get Tom Welling signed on for S9, if he's not already... and if he doesn't, then maybe we'll see a series with hopefully an altered title in SV's place. Metropolis anyone?

That would be awesome.

Too bad it'll never happen.

morena

11-15-2008, 06:13 AM

wolverine316

11-15-2008, 06:52 AM

Wow I knew that the ratings would blow without us in NYC but damn.

JAMHEXXX

11-15-2008, 08:27 AM

The football game killed Smallville:

New York [#1 market] for CW simulcast of NFLN: N.Y. Jets at New England: 11.8/18 (874,000 households)

That is a huge number for the CW. That is about 20% of their entire viewing audience for the whole country. The sky isn't falling, Smallville is doing great and the execs at the CW will take the preemption by the game into consideration.

I expect Bride to kick ass next week.

morena

11-15-2008, 08:46 AM

SparkleforSmallville

11-15-2008, 10:06 AM

Wow! The 10th episode coming already? It's gone by so fast:(

Will we really be 8 weeks without any Smallville on TV?
Has anyone heard if they will show S8 repeats?
I hope so, or I will be doing marathon SV Season watching.
Like in the Summer!

LegendaryU2K

11-15-2008, 11:54 AM

The ratings was down a bit, so what, still good. Also, i heard that people in NYC didn't get to watch it, so it will repeat on Sat, again , so the ratings should be good, either way. So why worry?

ClarkyBoy14

11-15-2008, 11:55 AM

Wow! The 10th episode coming already? It's gone by so fast:(

I know. It seems like it was just a couple of weeks ago we were counting down for the season premiere. Now we're almost to the winter hiatus!

SparkleforSmallville

11-15-2008, 01:48 PM

On iTunes top TV downloads, Smallville "Abyss" is #4 :)

ClarkyBoy14

11-15-2008, 02:31 PM

JSYK, the CW currently has "Odyssey" and "Plastique" scheduled to air the two weeks following "Bride." ;)

rep4clark

11-15-2008, 02:53 PM

I wonder if anyone can help me out. HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK A LOIS CENTRIC EPISODE WOULD FAIR??????????????????

Lazy Boy

11-15-2008, 03:01 PM

I don't think it would make a difference, if it was in the same situation as Abyss where there is a big football game in a major city on the same night the rating would still be the same. As Craig said - ships doesn't matter, it's how they promote the story.

batfinx

11-15-2008, 05:03 PM

I think had Abyss aired in the New York area instead of football it probably would've rated around what Toxic got. We know it would've been lower than 4.38 million, but higher than the 3.56 million it ended up with. Again, probably close to Toxic's 4.05. Bloodline got 4.80 million initially counting the Denver football game and then it dropped to 4.46 when the Denver market was removed. Ironically that still made it the highest rated episode even without that market.

I wonder if anyone can help me out. HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK A LOIS CENTRIC EPISODE WOULD FAIR?

The show should try to avoid one character centric episodes unless it's Clark, but trailers that pimp Lois with Clark tend to do well so far. It's all part of the same thing really. The audience is responding favorably to Clark embracing his destiny and breaking away from the past and moving towards his future as Superman. His relationship with Lois is part of that. Identity did well too because Clark needing his dual persona is also a big part of the myth. I hope Bride does well because they really need a good audience for that if the cliffhanger is going to draw viewers back in January.

SparkleforSmallville

11-15-2008, 05:13 PM

JSYK, the CW currently has "Odyssey" and "Plastique" scheduled to air the two weeks following "Bride." ;)

Oh yay! That's good they aren't replacing SV with something else. There may be people out there who have heard how Epic, S8 Smallville has been and can watch.

Mostly, though, I'm glad for me:) *happy dance*

So, Odyssey is on Thanksgiving? Are SpN repeats, also scheduled?

dimeo782002

11-15-2008, 05:38 PM

also lets take into consideration that there was some football or base ball game that mesed things up and then someone reported there was some big sattelite black out that may have something to do with it.

amandatay

11-15-2008, 06:14 PM

For everyone info the rating was 4.38M for Abyss, is on the Ksite New. So it doing very well even there is not must promo and plus a footfall match, I would have said Chloe centric epi was a hit.

biggkoz

11-15-2008, 08:22 PM

Tatiana

11-15-2008, 08:25 PM

so since they showed Abyss tonight and I am sure most of the nyc people watched it, will they add that to the ratings? they should, to be fair...if not that'd suck.

davidbrenton

11-15-2008, 08:30 PM

Why are the ratings for "Abyss" listed as 4.34 on the "News" page of the website?
Isn't that quite different than the 3.56 that we are all discussing?

BadToad

11-15-2008, 08:31 PM

The fast nationals are on the "news" page. Not the adjusted numbers after the blacked out NY area was figured in.

myankskent

11-15-2008, 09:07 PM

so since they showed Abyss tonight and I am sure most of the nyc people watched it, will they add that to the ratings? they should, to be fair...if not that'd suck.

I don't know if they will. I haven't seen the adjusted numbers from last week with the Denver audience for "Bloodline". IMO, it's probably a waste to add the NY numbers anyway. When the show aired on Saturday at 6pm, I find it hard to believe that everyone who is usually around to see Smallville during the week is going to be around to watch it at that time. If I were the CW, I'd look at where the ratings for NY have been in recent weeks for Smallville and just take an average of that and factor it into the final number. That will give a rough estimate of how many viewers would've tuned in had there been no football. BTW, go Jets!

SparkleforSmallville

11-15-2008, 10:06 PM

I'm pretty sure that the Sat. viewers will only be counted in the Live+7. I don't think daily ratings are taken for 6pm shows. I'm sure CW knows what's going on and won't count this Final(3.56mil.) against Smallville.
We're safe:)

Razzle

11-15-2008, 10:06 PM

The way i hear ppl talking abt Supernatural, i always expected them to have the higher ratings, but even after Smallville went to the trash it still manages to get something which is not bad..

SparkleforSmallville

11-15-2008, 10:24 PM

So the weekly ratings that are posted on the main portion of this site are those the top shows of the night or are they the only shows of the night? Cuz really kitchen nightmares had more viewers than smallville? WOW So smallville was #5 in rating vs how many shows? 5 shows,20 shows,what?

They are the only shows in competition with Smallville's time slot. CW most of the time is 5th, it's against the big Networks. CW doesn't expect to get huge ratings and is satisfied with their shows in the 3 millions.
Smallville has been CW's top rated show all this Season.(Over 4 million ea. week) You can see more, in the ratings thread for each SV episode. Some of us follow the ratings closely:)

If the ratings were the only thing deciding another SV Season, then there would be a 9th Season.

Tatiana

11-15-2008, 10:33 PM

cw really should promote more for smallville, i am sure there r a lot of people that think the show is over, i am tired of seeing gossip girls, what kind of message r they trying to send?

redkryptoniteisthebest

11-15-2008, 10:36 PM

cw really should promote more for smallville, i am sure there r a lot of people that think the show is over, i am tired of seeing gossip girls, what kind of message r they trying to send?

There are tons of people who are surprised its still a show. Like if you go to another site and mention Smallville, they'll think that it ended forever ago.

I agree. Smallville is the only show I watch on The CW. It ticks me off that they promote gay shows like 90210 and Gossip Girls, but, yet, they refuse to promote the two shows that are keeping The CW alive: Smallville and Supernatural!

Cyn

11-15-2008, 10:38 PM

Oh wow, now its a 3.5 rating? OUCH! That just sucks. The first episode below 4.0 of the season. And they were doing so well too.

Let that be a lesson to the producer/writer who came up with the brilliant idea to center an episode around Chloe and her epic battle with memory loss. People know boredom when they see it.

I only hope that we don't get similar ratings for episodes 12, 13, 14 and those who are spoiled know what I am referring to.

No they don't. Tomb sucked ratings wise, so did Progeny. And lets not even mention the horror known as Sleeper. Chloe's never been a ratings draw and I doubt she ever will. Which is why I feel the WB has never (and won't ever) be put her on a DVD cover. Abyss was the Chloe centric of all Chloe centric episodes. She was in damn near ever scene. It was overkill, and thats putting it lightly.

But I do agree with Chimmy being a turnoff as well.

The previews go a long way in giving out the general plot of the episode, so do the descriptions. Younger folks have the internet to find out the episodic descriptions, older folks who aren't as internet savy still learn about whats going to happen by the TV descriptions they see on cable and/or by the TV Guide they receive in mail.

I think the general audience are more in the know than we think.

It blows me away that they put such a Chloecentric episode during the Nov. sweeps month. This is the time period where they should pull out all the stops and they blew it. Even I skipped this episode and I love Smallville. The only thing they could do that was worse is to make Smallville wait until March until the next new episode. SHVUCK it all!!!

smallvillerocks45

11-15-2008, 11:01 PM

There are tons of people who are surprised its still a show. Like if you go to another site and mention Smallville, they'll think that it ended forever ago.

No kidding, I mentioned that I was going to be screening for my media arts class and the teacher said: "that show is still on?" To which, of course I answered, "Yes, it's on its eight season," and she with this: "wow, the little engine that could." I was shocked, she didn't even know that the show was still on. It put things into perspective for me, that's for sure - - the CW is in a very tiny bubble.

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It blows me away that they put such a Chloecentric episode during the Nov. sweeps month. This is the time period where they should pull out all the stops and they blew it. Even I skipped this episode and I love Smallville. The only thing they could do that was worse is to make Smallville wait until March until the next new episode. SHVUCK it all!!!

Well, at least they got it out of their system now, as opposed to airing it at the end of the season, like "Sleeper" last season. Seriously, I love Chloe on the show, she's a great friend and I am really interested in seeing what PS3 have in store for her, but this episode showed a lot of Clark development as well, and the CW didn't advertise it. It's a shame that football and a lack of diverse promotion caused the momentum to stall. My hope is that the finals (live +7) can keep the ratings above four million.

Tompouce

11-16-2008, 02:45 AM

The bride trailer is the best I've ever seen. It makes you really want to see the show, I think it will help the next ratings. I can't believe after seeing it, you don't want to know what is going to happen...Impossible lol

Jaderoyale

11-16-2008, 05:51 AM

I'm just hoping that 'Bride' does well and gets the ratings it deserves.
If it gets below 4mil like Abyss, i am not going to be happy.

Tatiana

11-16-2008, 08:46 AM

There are tons of people who are surprised its still a show. Like if you go to another site and mention Smallville, they'll think that it ended forever ago.

I agree. Smallville is the only show I watch on The CW. It ticks me off that they promote gay shows like 90210 and Gossip Girls, but, yet, they refuse to promote the two shows that are keeping The CW alive: Smallville and Supernatural!

Ya at my job people had no idea it was the 8th season of smallville, I actually got a few of them to watch it again because I keep telling them the season rocks and since they had no idea it was happening, they are curious. To me Gossip has nothing positive to offer, I wouldn't want my kids watching that. Spoiled rich girls and boys having sex just like they change their shirts, nothing positive about that. CW shouldn't promote that.

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I'm just hoping that 'Bride' does well and gets the ratings it deserves.
If it gets below 4mil like Abyss, i am not going to be happy.

I really think the ratings were very low because a lot of people, like ME, couldn't watch it until Saturday because of that football game. They should count that.

Jaderoyale

11-16-2008, 09:14 AM

I really think the ratings were very low because a lot of people, like ME, couldn't watch it until Saturday because of that football game. They should count that.

Yeah, thats true.
Its just a big drop since Bloodline really isn't it?
*sigh*
I've got my fingers and toes firmly crossed for Bride right now.

Tatiana

11-16-2008, 09:17 AM

Yeah, thats true.
Its just a big drop since Bloodline really isn't it?
*sigh*
I've got my fingers and toes firmly crossed for Bride right now.

Definitely, Smallville has a big fan base in NYC and if none of them could watch it, I sure would think it'd have a big impact on the ratings.

davidbrenton

11-16-2008, 10:04 AM

SparkleforSmallville

11-16-2008, 10:16 AM

It's not only NYC. It's NYC Metro, which expands from NYC into NJ and parts of PA.

Not only is it a large fan base, it's the single largest proportion of people (Area) in the neilson people. (Because of people/sq mile or somthing)

That's interesting, I didn't know it covered such a large area. No wonder it had a big impact on the ratings.

davidbrenton

11-16-2008, 10:32 AM

That's interesting, I didn't know it covered such a large area. No wonder it had a big impact on the ratings.

Yes, it's that reason alone which I was very surprised that CW decided to go ahead and air Smallville anyway. I'm glad they did, but still surprised.

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2008, 12:38 PM

On iTunes top TV downloads, Smallville "Abyss" is #4 :)

Last night I found out that you can buy Smallville episodes on the PlayStation Store. There's so many (legal) ways you can catch an episode of Smallville this year if you miss it on TV. It's streamed for free on CWTV.com, and you can get it from Amazon's Unboxed Service, iTunes, the PlayStation Store, and I'm sure it's on the XBox Marketplace as well. I'd like to know how many people watch Smallville using those services.

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I wonder if anyone can help me out. HOW DO YOU GUYS THINK A LOIS CENTRIC EPISODE WOULD FAIR??????????????????

"Prototype" had 3.43 million viewers. I'm not sure if it was advertised as Lois-centric though. I think the trailer was mostly Lex and the prototype. Also, it aired late in the year and followed the not-so-well-received "Noir."

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The show should try to avoid one character centric episodes unless it's Clark, but trailers that pimp Lois with Clark tend to do well so far.

I don't mind an episode centered on a different character every so often. It's just that the CW needs to learn how to promote those episodes. "Toxic" featured no Clark at all in the trailer and got 4.05 million viewers. "Abyss" only had one tiny clip of Clark (that was actually from a S4 episode) and it had 3.56 million. If there is an episode that is centered an a different character, the CW still needs to show some clips of Clark.

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Oh yay! That's good they aren't replacing SV with something else. There may be people out there who have heard how Epic, S8 Smallville has been and can watch.

Mostly, though, I'm glad for me:) *happy dance*

So, Odyssey is on Thanksgiving? Are SpN repeats, also scheduled?

Yep, SN repeats are also scheduled. :)

skizzo

11-16-2008, 12:49 PM

I think Bride will pick up, but episode #11 when it returns will probably have the lowest ratings of the season. Usually there is a big break

curiosity

11-16-2008, 01:28 PM

It blows me away that they put such a Chloecentric episode during the Nov. sweeps month. This is the time period where they should pull out all the stops and they blew it. Even I skipped this episode and I love Smallville. The only thing they could do that was worse is to make Smallville wait until March until the next new episode. SHVUCK it all!!!

Why did you skip it?

I will definately be watching Bride, and once again, I'm going to be totally honest here, I'm watching Bride because I'm excited to see Lois AND Clark and at least get some scenes with the two of them together. They make the show interesting.

I'm hoping I won't have to sit through too much Chloe/ Jimmy. It's like watching paint dry. They need to keep their scenes very short.

kimmiss

11-16-2008, 01:32 PM

In my cow town, the CW station has their news first and then SV, which puts it up against The Office.

Cyn

11-16-2008, 02:12 PM

Why did you skip it?

I will definately be watching Bride, and once again, I'm going to be totally honest here, I'm watching Bride because I'm excited to see Lois AND Clark and at least get some scenes with the two of them together. They make the show interesting.

I'm hoping I won't have to sit through too much Chloe/ Jimmy. It's like watching paint dry. They need to keep their scenes very short.

I went out to dinner with my sister. I didn't watch the episode until Saturday. It wasn't a bad episode, but it wasn't Sweeps worthy either. I'm not a Chloe fan so having an episode built around her gave me options for that Thursday night. I do love her scenes with Davis though.

As for Bride, I'm kind of torn about it. The trailer looks great, but I really don't like Clark when he is around Lana. I don't want him to loose the progress he has made this season and become emo boy again.

DontCha

11-16-2008, 04:02 PM

what killed Smallville wasnt just the football game, it was the lack of Lois

things have changed now she is now obviously the thing that is carrying the season.

i knew abyss would be bad with the ratings I predicted it long ago judging by what the ratings have been this seasn just WATCH bride zoom back up to 4.80 something again lol

LOIS LANE = RATINGS thesedays

Bloodline, i mean COME ON, it did better than the freaking pilot! its rare. and it was a Lois/Clois centric episode and highly promoted as such.

the tide is turning, chloe is no longer the one carrying the show( though I dont think she ever was anyway) nor is clark on his own for example prey

just you WATCH these ratings become abysmal during the 5 episodes were Lois is absent and right before a massive break?? Oh dear..BAD BAD BAD choice. Im sorry but I cant believe they are taking that risk, they are setting up for a fall.

AndrewVDk

11-16-2008, 04:14 PM

BadToad

11-16-2008, 04:32 PM

Again people, the ratings that are up on the News page are the fast nationals, NOT the final numbers for SV. The episode went down quite a bit from the 4.38 because the number was adjusted to remove the NY metro area.

The adjusted numbers, after factoring in the loss of the NY market was

Smallville
- 3.556 million viewers
- 2.1/3 HH
- 1.4/4 A18-49
- 1.4/4 A18-34

Also, the numbers for Bloodline were also adjusted down from the 4.81m. I dont have that number handy, but I think it ended up in the 4.5m neighborhood.

DontCha

11-16-2008, 05:06 PM

:lol:
You wish!

As you can see on the Kryptonsite news page,

http://www.kryptonsite.com/news.htm

the ratings for Abyss are: 4.38 witch is not that bad!
Bloodline was: 4.81, and that was because of Kara and Phantom zone!

I dont like being made to feel delusional because of my opinion thanks. Its against the board rules.

Bloodline was promoted as Clark and Lois in the phantom zone, they then we get a tiny flash of a woman who looks nothing like supergirl and says "welcome to hell"

Then in the extended trailer it was: Clois in the PZ, this strange blonde woman, then Lois being possessed.

then the DC was heavily clois too and only a tiny shot of Kara.

morena

11-16-2008, 05:14 PM

what killed Smallville wasnt just the football game, it was the lack of Lois

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LOIS LANE = RATINGS thesedays

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theartist27

11-16-2008, 07:13 PM

Lois episodes certainly don't hurt ratings either. However, I don't believe that Lois is the main ratings grabber. But I do believe that episodes that heavily feature Lois and Clark do fairly well ratings wise. In fact, so far, the ratings for those episodes have been increasing.;)

Storm45

11-16-2008, 07:26 PM

Now, even the Chloe vs Lois debate invade the ratings threads. :rolleyes:

amberdawn

11-16-2008, 07:52 PM

Now, even the Chloe vs Lois debate invade the ratings threads. :rolleyes:

It invades any and all threads. :\

ClarkyBoy14

11-16-2008, 07:55 PM

Now, even the Chloe vs Lois debate invade the ratings threads. :rolleyes:

Oh joy.

:rolleyes:

Smallville6

11-16-2008, 07:56 PM

Now, even the Chloe vs Lois debate invade the ratings threads. :rolleyes:

Its anywhere and everywhere nowadays :\:(

Tatiana

11-16-2008, 09:57 PM

does not forget that in all the episodes that was Lois, was also Clark and Chloe. to know if Lois it is the main factor of ratings like you said we would have that to have an episode where Chloe does not participate, do not believe?

because then we would know how many Chloe fan does not watch the episode, as some Lois fans do not watch this, right?

I can't believe there is such a battle between Chloe and Lois fans, seriously? don't we all love Smallville either way? I love those two girls, for different reasons just as I loved Lana. The main reason for me to watch is always Clark though and his journey, other characters are secondary, they help but it is about his journey to becoming Superman.

Lis

11-16-2008, 11:23 PM

I can't believe there is such a battle between Chloe and Lois fans, seriously? don't we all love Smallville either way? I love those two girls, for different reasons just as I loved Lana. The main reason for me to watch is always Clark though and his journey, other characters are secondary, they help but it is about his journey to becoming Superman.
Well said Tatiana. I agree. Especially with this quote: The main reason for me to watch is always Clark though and his journey, other characters are secondary, they help but it is about his journey to becoming Superman.

rep4clark

11-16-2008, 11:39 PM

I dont care for lana to much either but in my opinion bringing her in to the show at this moment is genius for ratings if ps3 plays there cards right. this can help chloe and lana supporters sympethize with lois is she is hurt in bride either physically or emotionally. By Lana interfering with the progress of clois, the majority of smallville viewers may universally combine their support for lois once and for all thus keeping the majority of the viewers ratings while attracting knew viewers. Becausle lets face it everybody loves an underdog love story, just ask sylvester stallone in rocky

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Well said Tatiana. I agree. Especially with this quote: The main reason for me to watch is always Clark though and his journey, other characters are secondary, they help but it is about his journey to becoming Superman.

I feel the same way you do for the most part, this is why lois has to go through so much suffering in the next episode. The more lois suffers the more all viewers will find a common ground to want a down on her luck Lois Lane to succeed in fulfilling her happiness with clark. :D

morena

11-17-2008, 05:13 AM

I can't believe there is such a battle between Chloe and Lois fans, seriously? don't we all love Smallville either way? I love those two girls, for different reasons just as I loved Lana. The main reason for me to watch is always Clark though and his journey, other characters are secondary, they help but it is about his journey to becoming Superman.

no, should not be a debate. but that is bored heard many times Lois is the main factor in ratings, all the time.

but you are right. it can not become either under debate or in a new battle

excuse me :\

I will edit my answer to avoid a start of a battle

Fallen One

11-17-2008, 05:38 AM

I don't think there is a "battle" at all. The proof is in the ratings. And the ratings speak for themselves.

gemini

11-17-2008, 03:20 PM

I don't think there is a "battle" at all. The proof is in the ratings. And the ratings speak for themselves.

It 's a battle:p, clana fan used to say the same thing!
There is no proof!
And:
1.Bloodline had more promo than Abyss
2.The diffusion on certain area was report
3.The promo for bloodline was about KARA and the PHANTHOM ZONE NOT Lois.:rolleyes:

Many thing can explain the bad rating!

Last year Apocalypse promotion was all about Clois and the rating were far from being Wonderfull!

SparkleforSmallville

11-17-2008, 03:41 PM

Back to the ratings, Looks like the Live+7 for Identity won't be out till tomorrow. I can't wait! Here we are so far:

*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil.

It's hard to post Abyss' abysmal rating:/ *sigh*

ClarkyBoy14

11-17-2008, 08:07 PM

They weren't released today?

Darn it.

bartez

11-18-2008, 05:38 AM

when was abyss in ny area? in saturday?

JAMHEXXX

11-18-2008, 09:45 AM

geminis

11-18-2008, 09:54 AM

Identity's Live=+7=4.991 Mil.

Timeshifted Audience= 1,034 million.

Hooray for Identity!

Will be interesting to see the numbers for Abyss.

SparkleforSmallville

11-18-2008, 10:33 AM

Back to the ratings:Yay! The Live+7 for Identity 4.991 mil. So Awesome! Here we are so far:

*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.15 mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil.

I so want to post 5 mil., so close! But the rules of rounding off numbers won't let me. *sigh*
We only needed 5,000 more viewers. I do have high hopes for Bloodline's Live+7:)

ClarkyBoy14

11-18-2008, 09:20 PM

Wow, that's a season high in L+7 viewers! That's an awesome number. I bet "Bloodline" will go even higher.

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I so want to post 5 mil., so close! But the rules of rounding off numbers won't let me. *sigh*
We only needed 5,000 more viewers. I do have high hopes for Bloodline's Live+7:)

Actually, just 4,000 more. Because you can round 5 up to the next number. :)

Tatiana

11-18-2008, 09:48 PM

when was abyss in ny area? in saturday?

Yup Saturday, the numbers are looking really good :) yay

smallvillerocks45

11-19-2008, 12:19 AM

I'm curious... how did the other CW shows do this week. Despite the episode's preemption, did Smallville still do well overall for the network?

bartez

11-19-2008, 02:00 AM

Yup Saturday, the numbers are looking really good :) yay

any know how many people watch smallville in ny?

i know that supernatural had 2,94 mln but i'm afraid that next top model was on first place

ClarkyBoy14

11-19-2008, 06:36 AM

"Identity" is the most watched episode since last year's "Wrath" (5.12 million) using L+7 numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if "Bloodline" beat that. :D

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I'm curious... how did the other CW shows do this week. Despite the episode's preemption, did Smallville still do well overall for the network?

It came in second behind ANTM by 170,000 viewers.

Syst3m

11-19-2008, 06:43 AM

ClarkyBoy14: check pm

smallvillerocks45

11-19-2008, 06:33 PM

"Identity" is the most watched episode since last year's "Wrath" (5.12 million) using L+7 numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if "Bloodline" beat that. :D

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It came in second behind ANTM by 170,000 viewers.

Oh okay... that I can live with. As long as it wasn't bested by "90210" or "Gossip Girl," I'm alright. *sighs in relief*
Thanks for the info!

KEGZilla

11-20-2008, 12:18 AM

I wouldn't get too worried about one low week in the ratings...as a Wrestling fan, the Monday Night Ratings can fluctuate a lot based on football matchups or other big "One time" shows. I'm sure next week's will be big with the Doomsday tease!

SparkleforSmallville

11-20-2008, 09:22 AM

Actually, just 4,000 more. Because you can round 5 up to the next number. :)

:lol: I guess I've forgotten my Math! I wonder if I've made
any other rating rounding off mistakes?
Though..... I'm sure, you have my back:)

Happy Smallville Thursday! :D

ClarkyBoy14

11-20-2008, 05:22 PM

:lol: I guess I've forgotten my Math! I wonder if I've made
any other rating rounding off mistakes?
Though..... I'm sure, you have my back:)

It's okay. We're constantly doing rounding in math class, so I have to hear about it all the time. :lol:

Happy Smallville Thursday! :D

You too! :D

6-Super-Man -5

11-20-2008, 05:24 PM

Happy Smallville Thursday! :D

:D

bartez

11-21-2008, 09:29 AM

so what was the final rating for abyss (thursday + ny's saturday)?

SparkleforSmallville

11-21-2008, 02:10 PM

so what was the final rating for abyss (thursday + ny's saturday)?

That would be Live+3 days. I don't know where that is posted, so we will have to wait 2 weeks to get Abyss Live+7 ratings. Keep checking here:)

JAMHEXXX

12-03-2008, 04:11 PM

Live+7 for Abyss
SMALLVILLE CW 4,382mil......... 1,167milDVR viewers

Live+7= 4,382,000

Live + Same Day DVR Viewers=3,556,000

Total DVR viewers=1,167,000

Persons Live=3,215,000

Same Day DVR Viewers=341,000

Same Day DVR Viewers=7.8%

Total DVR=26.6%

Luiz Fernando

12-03-2008, 07:18 PM

Greatest % Of DVR Viewing for Broadcast TV Shows:
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Viewing</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">1</td> <td class="xl31">LIPSTICK JUNGLE</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 4,745</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,662</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,213</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 449</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,532</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.5%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">32.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">2</td> <td class="xl31">OFFICE</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 9,922</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 8,296</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 6,769</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,527</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,153</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">15.4%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">31.8%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">3</td> <td class="xl30">90210</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 3,307</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,716</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,306</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 410</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,001</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12.4%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">30.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">4</td> <td class="xl31">HEROES</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 9,683</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 7,849</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 6,790</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,059</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,893</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10.9%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">29.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">5</td> <td class="xl31">FRINGE</td> <td class="xl31">FOX</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 10,369</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 8,612</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 7,475</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,137</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,894</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11.0%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">27.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">6</td> <td class="xl31">GOSSIP GIRL</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 3,388</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,883</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,477</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 406</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 911</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">12.0%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">26.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">7</td> <td class="xl31">SMALLVILLE</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 4,382</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,556</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,215</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 341</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,167</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">7.8%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">26.6%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">8</td> <td class="xl31">HOUSE</td> <td class="xl31">FOX</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 15,231</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 13,062</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 11,273</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,789</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,958</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11.7%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">26.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">9</td> <td class="xl31">AMERICA’S TOP MODEL</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 4,169</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,706</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,109</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 597</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,060</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">14.3%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">25.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">10</td> <td class="xl31">PRIVILEGED</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 2,213</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,857</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,655</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 202</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 558</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.1%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">25.2%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">11</td> <td class="xl31">30 ROCK</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 8,810</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 7,602</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 6,666</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 936</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,144</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">10.6%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">24.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">12</td> <td class="xl31">GREY’S ANATOMY</td> <td class="xl31">ABC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 17,457</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 14,902</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 13,218</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,684</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 4,239</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.6%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">24.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">13</td> <td class="xl31">MY OWN WORST ENEMY</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 5,211</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 4,274</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 3,954</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 320</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,257</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">6.1%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">24.1%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">14</td> <td class="xl31">TERMINATOR: SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES</td> <td class="xl31">FOX</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 6,009</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 5,153</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 4,565</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 588</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,444</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.8%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">24.0%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">15</td> <td class="xl31">CHUCK</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 7,211</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 6,338</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 5,505</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 833</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,706</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">11.6%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">23.7%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">16</td> <td class="xl31">SUPERNATURAL</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 3,624</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,944</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,775</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 169</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 849</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">4.7%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">23.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">17</td> <td class="xl31">PRISON BREAK</td> <td class="xl31">FOX</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 6,204</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 5,378</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 4,884</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 494</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,320</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">8.0%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">21.3%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">18</td> <td class="xl31">BONES</td> <td class="xl31">FOX</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 12,220</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 10,868</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 9,661</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 1,207</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,559</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.9%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">20.9%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">19</td> <td class="xl31">MY NAME IS EARL</td> <td class="xl31">NBC</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 7,933</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 7,045</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 6,311</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 734</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 1,622</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.3%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">20.4%</td> </tr> <tr height="16"> <td class="xl24" height="16">20</td> <td class="xl31">ONE TREE HILL</td> <td class="xl31">CW</td> <td class="xl29" align="right"> 3,347</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,989</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 2,688</td> <td class="xl33" align="right"> 301</td> <td class="xl27" align="right"> 659</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">9.0%</td> <td class="xl25" align="right">19.7%</td></tr></tbody></table>

SparkleforSmallville

12-03-2008, 07:37 PM

Yay! Smallville was #7! :)

ClarkyBoy14

12-06-2008, 12:32 PM

It also seems like Smallville was the most watched of the week. With just the L+SDs, ANTM was the most watched. :)