Loved it? Hated it? What did you think of "Abyss"?

[shy175223]

Please state your opininons until after the episode and be respectful of others.

[superhippie2000]

thread will open when episode airs :D

[shy175223]

thanks Jeff....what can I say this season just keeps better and better....

[superhippie2000]

thread opened. sorry for the delay :D

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thanks Jeff....what can I say this season just keeps better and better....
no prob :D was having aol issuses and the forum lag and all that :\

[Bane]

Loved the episode, despite being mad at Chloe not knowing Clark's secret anymore. The trailer for next week's episode has me pumped! God I can't wait!

Anyway, I give this episode an 8/10.

[Blue Orange NY]

wow finally, I've been pounding my head....what can you say, episode was decent, it was one of those to help connect the dots (my opinion) but the last 15 mins', speechless, last 5 mins, whoa.....the scenes in the FOS, great, the last scene in FOS what else can I say, the boy we all grew to love and see grow up, has finally grown.....for the first time ever, they are both on the same side, to top it off "Father" wow.....Jor-El being taken over, dope....next, whoa!

[Mickey_Bickey]

Wow, this was a really good episode! The acting was terrific, and both Chloe and Davis kissing for a second was a little twist.

The end though!!!!!! Doomsday is coming!!!!!!!!! That was a great twist to lead into next week!! I'm worried for Clark. I'd hate to see him get seriously injured or even worse.....

I don't know how I feel about him wiping out Chloe's memory of his abilities, but he was looking out for her. He's really turning into Superman now! I can't wait for next week!!

Overall, this was a great episode. I actually think Chloe and Jimmy are cute together.:rolleyes:

[mrw66855]

Oh my God!!!! What an amazing episode!! The conversations at the fortress between jor-el and kal-el were probably the best part of the episode for me. Clark finally, called his father, father, Superman is so close I can hardly stand it. Jor-el finally is acting like a friend and father figure. I knew this was good to be a good episode (because it is always a good episode, when jor-el is in it). But I never thought it would be this good. I mean, the concept of it was average to begin with. Chloe losing her memories little by little, not very interesting to me. However, they brought over the top with the conversations and the ending. Oh my God, the ending!! One of the best endings in a long time or ever, brainiac taken over the fortress. That was brilliant!! That was his plan all along he knew Clark had the Crystal (which he probably sent to Clark in bloodline) and then and then taking away Chloe's memories. Brainiac knew Clark would go to the fortress for help, and that is when he could take it over. Way to go writers nice storyline, and it makes sense. If all that would happen in this episode was Chloe, losing her memories. I would probably be given this episode of five or maybe even a six. However, those conversations between between jor-el and kal-el and the end scene and what brainiac Said "doomsday is coming." And next week looks even better. When I first saw the preview I thought doomsday look like he was from the movie Alien, but I am thinking about it and it is perfect, because that is what he is. He is what we think of a true alien.
This year, every episode (except for maybe toxic) has gotten better and better. I have never had this much fun watching smallville before (granted. I started watching it on the CW during season seven, but I caught up all the way through seven), and I have never been more excited to watch an episode like this ever!!!! A definite 10/10 for me.
Smallville is back to what originally made great way to go writers. Remember. Just my opinions.

[Bane]

This season is going to kick ass.

DOOMSDAY IS COMING!

[Carolina87]

Amazing episode!! everything from young Chlark to Chlovis Kissing!! ofcourse the Chloe mindswipe was a terrible thing but im just in denial and can't believe thats really going to be it. I refuse to believe that she won't remember Clarks secret; im sure that PS3 will give her back her memory *i can dream* Soooo I gave it a 9 out of 10 for that reason

[lm1212]

The effects were nice. It was a pretty good ep, especially towards the end. I thought it was long and drawn out in the beginning though. The good delivery didn't kick in until 30 minutes in. I gave it a 7.

[colibri]

I really didn't like this episode much until the end. It felt like a transition episode, which is needed, but it was a bit slow. I liked Clark in the Fortress for the most part but I didn't like him erasing her memories and taking the blame for everything again. I thought Allison's portrayal was great and Sam's too. The last seconds of Braniac taking over the Fortress were fantastic. I guess we know who that Fortress will be for.

[Jack-El49]

I gave it a 9 only because there isn't a 9.5 and two series regulars were absent. One of those absent regulars is okay because there isn't much interaction between them but this would have been a good episode in which Lois was there and Chloe forgets her cousin.

I understand it but I didn't like the Chlovis scene with the kiss. I know some fans ship Chlovis but I'm not one of them. When Clark and Lana were excoriated last season for kissing when kissing in Crimson, will we hear the outrage at a normal Chloe and normal Davis succombing, albeit quickly, to feelings for one another? Time will tell.

This was a very enjoyable episode and almost perfect. Lois in the cast would have made it perfect for me.

[Meteror Freak]

Sorry, but this episode sucked really bad. THe only redeeming part was when Chloe was running through her memories. The fortress turning black looked dumb and it was rebuilt in like 2 seconds. THe episode was awkward at times. It wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. In fact, it was kinda boring.:o

[skylar]

Didn't like it so much gave it a 7.5.

[Bane]

That Brainiac is a sly dog...he just won't die...he just keeps popping up...

[bizzaroboy9]

[Mod Edit] You guys are! I think you guys are [Mod Edit] that you don't want Chloe to lose her memories about Clark's power. I'm glad it happened because now Chloe can live a happier life like in Apocalypse. I will always treasure their friendship and I really loved it when Clark was caring and being selfless so that his best friend could have a happy life.

Other than that, this was one of the most interesting episode. This was a great episode! I give it a 10!!

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Sorry, but this episode sucked really bad. THe only redeeming part was when Chloe was running through her memories. The fortress turning black looked dumb and it was rebuilt in like 2 seconds. THe episode was awkward at times. It wasn't nearly as good as it could have been. In fact, it was kinda boring.:o

You're probably just mad about Chloe losing her memories.
It was not boring, I was at the edge of my seat!!

[tibbit78]

I loved the episode. The only thing that really disappointed me was Clark & Jor-El wiping out Clark's secret from Chloe. (When Chloe knew Clark's secret, Smallville became very interesting, and I loved Chloe's lines when she knew his secret). Chloe is Clark's BFF (Best Friend Forever), and Clark's best confidante. And she was a good secret-keeper. So, I am disappointed in this episode.

[shy175223]

You know [Mod Edit] You guys are! I think [Mod Edit]that you don't want Chloe to lose her memories about Clark's power. I'm glad it happened because now Chloe can live a happier life like in Apocalypse. I will always treasure their friendship and I really loved it when Clark was caring and being selfless so that his best friend could have a happy life.

Other than that, this was one of the most interesting episode. This was a great episode! I give it a 10!!

uhh please respect others opinions no matter what they are even IF you do not agree with them and name calling is uncalled for.

[xHerox]

I have to admit that although I have enjoyed this season for the most part, I have definitely had some concerns about certain storylines; still, I have had faith that the writers know what they are doing and that everything that happens is just set-up for a great episode in the future.

Well, with “Abyss” those claims were definitely validated tenfold, and that’s why I am giving this episode a perfect score of ‘10’. What looked to be like a so-so episode from the previews ended up being the best episode of the season, and maybe one of the entire series. Now, I may be overemphasizing this episode’s greatness because it just ended, but I really think that it will forever remain one of the show’s best episodes.

For one, I absolutely love it when shows incorporate references to past continuity, and this episode did so perfectly. I loved seeing flashbacks to seasons past and the way certain events were altered. In addition, I liked seeing some of the flashbacks of moments we hadn’t actually seen before; if you would have told me that there was going to be a scene involving a young Clark and Chloe I probably would have thought it wouldn’t turn out that well, but I think that it was executed quite well in this episode. I’m not even the biggest fan of Clark and Chloe being together (although I am sometimes) but the moments involving Clark and Chloe in this episode were some of the best in recent memory.

Finally, the preview for next week looks absolutely amazing. I try to avoid spoilers but I did find out the name of next week’s episode, and obviously I concluded that it would be the wedding episode. The last wedding episode (“Promise”) remains one of my favorite episodes of the series so far and I hope that “Bride” will not disappoint. To be honest, while watching tonight’s episode I kept thinking that it would be great to see Doomsday invade the wedding, so next week’s preview was definitely a treat.

Oh, and one more thing: throughout the past few seasons I was definitely critical of Lana’s involvement in the show, but since she has been gone I feel like the show has lost just a little bit of its “heart” if that makes any sense. The mere mention of Lana’s name had me longing to see her on the show again so I think that the writers definitely succeeded in setting up her appearance in the next episode!

[Smallville6]

I gave it a 6 :)

[Smalvil1]

i gaveit a ten. I dont know why i liked it so much, but i did. I like clark and jor-el's new interaction and the last 10 minutes were awesome. I think i'm so excited because of the trailer and not the episode itslef but i cant help it. the last line says it all, doomsday is coming.

[bizzaroboy9]

I have to admit that although I have enjoyed this season for the most part, I have definitely had some concerns about certain storylines; still, I have had faith that the writers know what they are doing and that everything that happens is just set-up for a great episode in the future.

Well, with “Abyss” those claims were definitely validated tenfold, and that’s why I am giving this episode a perfect score of ‘10’. What looked to be like a so-so episode from the previews ended up being the best episode of the season, and maybe one of the entire series. Now, I may be overemphasizing this episode’s greatness because it just ended, but I really think that it will forever remain one of the show’s best episodes.

For one, I absolutely love it when shows incorporate references to past continuity, and this episode did so perfectly. I loved seeing flashbacks to seasons past and the way certain events were altered. In addition, I liked seeing some of the flashbacks of moments we hadn’t actually seen before; if you would have told me that there was going to be a scene involving a young Clark and Chloe I probably would have thought it wouldn’t turn out that well, but I think that it was executed quite well in this episode. I’m not even the biggest fan of Clark and Chloe being together (although I am sometimes) but the moments involving Clark and Chloe in this episode were some of the best in recent memory.

Finally, the preview for next week looks absolutely amazing. I try to avoid spoilers but I did find out the name of next week’s episode, and obviously I concluded that it would be the wedding episode. The last wedding episode (“Promise”) remains one of my favorite episodes of the series so far and I hope that “Bride” will not disappoint. To be honest, while watching tonight’s episode I kept thinking that it would be great to see Doomsday invade the wedding, so next week’s preview was definitely a treat.

Oh, and one more thing: throughout the past few seasons I was definitely critical of Lana’s involvement in the show, but since she has been gone I feel like the show has lost just a little bit of its “heart” if that makes any sense. The mere mention of Lana’s name had me longing to see her on the show again so I think that the writers definitely succeeded in setting up her appearance in the next episode!


I so agree with ya!! I like your posts better than the others! :D

[msjade16]

Excellent! A little pissed at Clark right now, but I saw it coming. Other than that, the flashbacks were Awesome, the Chlavis was Awesome! And the ending was the BEST closing scene this season, IMO. Doomsday is coming!!! So much win. My first time giving an episode a 10!

[Sue Denim]

Well, I really enjoyed this episode. It made me tense and it I got to hear Clark say things like, "you've saved me more times than I saved you". Clark was really upset when Chloe forget his abilities, just shocked really. And I like how all three men were trying to help Chloe at the Talon.

Now, Clark deciding that he didn't want to Chloe to know his secret was wrong. I don't like that. But, I do like the motivations behind his reasons, and he apologizes to her, kissing her on the forehead. He's letting her go because he loves her.

He's also going to get the chance to experience life without his secret keeper, and I believe that absence will have a huge impact. We already see a little of that now.

[double L]

I give it a 7. It was overall a fairly decent episode, with some very good scenes.

The Clark/Jor-el, scene was better than ever, and the scene in the end with Davis and Chloe was great.

This show really has been better off losing the AlMiles.

[SnowBird]

This was an awesome episode. There are a lot of possitive things I could say about it but I'm sure others will have great thoughts so I'll just say I gave it a 10. I haven't seen a bad episode this season yet and next week is going to rock!

[susangail]

I gave it a six. It was too much -- I'm stunned, and not in a wow-I-can't-believe-they-had-the-guts-to-do-that kind of way.

... starring Clark as the memory police. He will pay, perhaps with Chloe's life. She's now an innocent, and she would have been better protected by knowing.

... costarring Davis as the spoiler. Ew.

[Dor el]

Well, I really enjoyed this episode. It made me tense and it I got to hear Clark say things like, "you've saved me more times than I saved you". Clark was really upset when Chloe forget his abilities, just shocked really. And I like how all three men were trying to help Chloe at the Talon.

Now, Clark deciding that he didn't want to Chloe to know his secret was wrong. I don't like that. But, I do like the motivations behind his reasons, and he apologizes to her, kissing her on the forehead. He's letting her go because he loves her.

He's also going to get the chance to experience life without his secret keeper, and I believe that absence will have a huge impact. We already see a little of that now.

Yeah, Clark taking own a great enemy without his greatest ally. Poor Clark.

Gotta hand it to Brainiac. He planned everything so carefully, down to the last little detail. He knows Clark very well, and he used Clark's humanity and his love for humanity against him impeccably successfully. He did reprogram the crystal, I think. Jorel didn't even know Brainiac was invading the Fortress. Any other time, Jorel would have sensed the presence of an enemy. Brainiac knew Clark would do whatever it took to save his friend. Even using a crystal he knows is defective to rebuild the FOS. When Brainiac circuits first encountered Chloe's brain, her unusual biology was a surprise to him, but took full advantage of her. Wonder if he originally intended to use Lana, but decide that Chloe was a better match for him. Convincing Clark that Chloe will be happier and safer not knowing his secret was pure genius. Except for Ollie, Clark alone must bear his secret. How long will Ollie know? Lana is gonna be out of the picture. Now, Jorel is incapacitated and can't father Clark. Suspense is rising like the temperature inside a nuclear meltdown.

[Karafan1]

10! 10! 10! I love the return of the fortress(eventhough it was the same clip from "Arrival") the Clark/Chloe fortress scene was great and to top it off the very end when Brainiac took over the fortress..Doomsday is coming!!! I'm already giving next week's episode a 10 just by the trailer..lol..

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

10! Magnificent episode! :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

I gave it a 9/10.

Very good and a lot better than I expected.

My biggest complaints are that Clark made Chloe forget (I think she'll find out again), and the young Clark and Chloe seemed way too wooden.

The rest was great.

[OneShotClois]

I gave it a 5. There were parts that were really good, and some that were just ok.

[SteveS]

For me, I consider this to be the best of Smallville. It was mature, intelligent and had feeling and the immature and silly was nowhere in sight. TPTB managed to show the sweetness of the Chloe-ClarkMan relationship, ClarkMan acting more and more like Superman and even little Jimmy was not crying for once.

This is one of the first episodes to involve me emotionally and I think the writers did and excellent job, too bad it took them so long.

I don't think the Chloe-ClarkMan friendship is over, but it is too bad for her to lose most of her memories, at least thus far.

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I so agree with ya!! I like your posts better than the others! :D

Just saw your note and I agree about Lana's return, when she is good, she really can exude a likeable warmth.

[Ginx]

9/10

I liked the whole second half and the ending the best out of the episode. The first half was a tad slow but still interesting.

[monel49]

The ep rocked! Rate it a 10. The devolution of Doomsday is great to watch and I'm glad we aren't stretching it out over 4 seasons. The pacing was great, real pathos to Chloe's situation, and Tom Welling is giving a super performance as a maturing man of steel. Kudos to everyone who has kept this season perfectly excellent.

I see from the previews that Lana is back next week. Maybe Doomsday will bite her head off at the neck--just kidding--nice to have you back Lana for a few episodes.

[ZODisGOD]

I just saw this online. Spectacular episode. Another 10/10.

[lovinredkclark]

i loved it. it pulled the whole season (so far) together.
i was a little sad that clark wont have chloe like he use to, but then i remembered that he has other friends who know his secret, so he wont be completely alone in that respect.
i really like davis opening up to chloe at the end. and then brainiac taking over the fortress was pretty cool.
but i really liked how clark asked jor-el for help and then went back to thank him and called him father. that was big moment.

[savingpeoplething]

"Abyss" was EPIC!

Thank you, Smallville, for bringing something to the table that was interesting, action-packed, emotional, mysterious, and thought-provoking. I hadn't seen that in a while. Honestly? I haven't been excited about this show for a good long time, but tonight's episode really brought some great stuff!

Thank you for going back to those Chlark scenes! The young Chlark were not that great, but the scene was adorable and them running down from the loft into the "Vessel" flashback was just awesome! I loved that Chloe was actually experiencing these flashbacks and was trying to keep from losing them.

Chlark break my heart, but in a good way :)

I loved Clark standing his ground in the FoS! And, Brainiac taking it over, complete with Terrence Stamp's voice turning into James Marsters'? EEEP. So fantastic, Smallville!

I'm so glad to see that there is no mistaking that Chloe has been overtaken by Brainiac. The show did a fantastic job showing us that Brainiac was making her say things she didn't realize she was saying and was faking her life ("Lana?..."). The flashes of the Brainiac symbols from "Vessel" at certain points was really well done because I felt like that was the story's way of telling us that Brainiac was messing with Chloe.

The flashes and the flashbacks were just all spot-on. The editing of this episode was out of this world! Thanks for putting so much detail into everything, folks.

CreepyDavis at The DP in the "Vessel" flashback? Oh, man, that gave me the heebie-jeebies. Well-done, Mr. Witwer. Well-done.

Jimmy is so freaking whiny! I realize he was worried about his fiance', but come on, dude. Clark was trying to help her just as much as you were. I hated that he basically forced Chloe to trust HIM and not Clark, even though, she WANTED to trust Clark and stay and wait for him in the barn versus going to the hospital with Jimmy. What a punk!

I was so glad to see the closeness of the Chlark relationship and can't wait to see where everything goes from here. FINALLY, a storyline worth coming back for! I feel like S8 is just NOW starting.

Great episode, Smallville! You get a 10 from me.

[Animation]

Well Clark is definitely 1 step away from Superman. He is finally comfortable with "playing god".

Lewis

[nzs]

I loved it! There is something epic about flashing back to all the significant (read: romantic) Clark/Chloe moments. It's so obvious to me that these two need/complete/love each other. I'm sure Clark will see the error of his ways in the episodes to come and Chloe will regain her memories of Clark. It feels like Smallville again!

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'll most likely give it a 10 when I see it Saturday!
Can't wait for "Bride!"

[JEWCY]

The ending with Brainiac taking over the Fortress was probably the best ending Smallville has ever had.

Glad they brought Brainiac back.

[loistickyfingerz]

It was ok. It wasn't bad, I'll say that. There were bits that were good. I liked the flashback to the first Chloe-Clark meeting, but if I remember my Smallville correctly, Clark said that incident took place in the 8th grade, meaning it would have been a mere 1 year before the start of the whole series.

Something tells me Chloe and Clark didn't both hit the fast-track to puberty at the exact same time in the summer between 8th grade and 9th.

Also, I will ask again: where is Gabe? Where is Chloe's father? She makes a point in the flashback to talk about her mom leaving her, has she now "left" her father? Why isn't he coming to the wedding? Why is Lana more important to RSVP than Gabe?

I miss Chloe knowing Clark's secret. I understand it was necessary for the writer's to do that, for the long-run of the story, but it once again feels like Clark is all alone. It's kind of sad. I hope Oliver and "John Jones" make more frequent appearences from now on at least.

Although, Chloe missing out on the supes of the hood leaves Oliver without a "watchtower" now, right?

[EllenF]

Awesome episode. Loved the emphasis on how much Chlark feel for each other. And it was indeed very epic! I don't think Clark should be playing God, but he was already suffering from regret by the end of the episode, and I expect the situation to be rectified before too long-- nothing else would make sense. This episode made abundantly clear that Clark needs Chloe, not as a sidekick, but as his soul.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Okay, while the episode did leave me pissed because of the mindwipe, this episode was amazing. So freaking EPIC.

I was on the edge of my seat.

The Chlark. OMG the Chlark. It broke my heart. I'm still kinda of mad that Clark just up and erased Chloe's memory of him. I know it was hard for him to do, but *sigh* I knew it was coming, but it still hurt. It won't be permanent though.

The flashbacks were done so well. Especially the one going into the Vessel scene. Allison and Tom did a fantastic job in that scene.

I love Davis. Sam also did a great job in this episode too. This episode made me dislike Jimmy again. I know he was worried, but goodness, it annoyed me.

BRAINIAC! is made of so much win. That last scene was awesome. Was that JM's voice? If not whoever it was sounded a lot like him.

I'm looking forward for the coming of Doomsday and also how the situation with the secret will be resolved.

[STFanatic]

I missed seeing Alicia next to her in the flashback :(

[JEWCY]

BRAINIAC! is made of so much win. That last scene was awesome. Was that JM's voice? If not whoever it was sounded a lot like him.

I'm looking forward for the coming of Doomsday and also how the situation with the secret will be resolved.

that was his voice. I listened closeley and it sounded as if Marsters voiced it.

Next week does look awesome

[Bre723]

I gave it an 8, good.
but i hate to admit i yelled at tv ALOT when chloe didn't remember clarks secret, lana said it best "SECRETS AND LIIEEESSS!"
ugh,haha.
what bothers me the most is the last 4 years of her life she knew, and that was huge!
so many things that happened, what happens if lana brings it up?
or oliver?
that's never going to work.
makes me mad.

but anyways, loved the fortress scenes, and that clark called jor-el "Father".

[Ayanne]

OMG! The Superman symbol connected to the Chlark kiss in Vessel! YES!! Brainiac using Clark's love for Chloe to take over the FOS.

WOW!! Awesome! I give it a 9!!

[Sue Denim]

I think the episode is called "Abyss" because we see the depth of Clark's feelings for Chloe.

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I missed seeing Alicia next to her in the flashback :(
I have to agree with that.

[BOUROUX]

"Abyss" was EPIC!

Thank you, Smallville, for bringing something to the table that was interesting, action-packed, emotional, mysterious, and thought-provoking. I hadn't seen that in a while. Honestly? I haven't been excited about this show for a good long time, but tonight's episode really brought some great stuff!

Thank you for going back to those Chlark scenes! The young Chlark were not that great, but the scene was adorable and them running down from the loft into the "Vessel" flashback was just awesome! I loved that Chloe was actually experiencing these flashbacks and was trying to keep from losing them.

Chlark break my heart, but in a good way :)

I loved Clark standing his ground in the FoS! And, Brainiac taking it over, complete with Terrence Stamp's voice turning into James Marsters'? EEEP. So fantastic, Smallville!

I'm so glad to see that there is no mistaking that Chloe has been overtaken by Brainiac. The show did a fantastic job showing us that Brainiac was making her say things she didn't realize she was saying and was faking her life ("Lana?..."). The flashes of the Brainiac symbols from "Vessel" at certain points was really well done because I felt like that was the story's way of telling us that Brainiac was messing with Chloe.

The flashes and the flashbacks were just all spot-on. The editing of this episode was out of this world! Thanks for putting so much detail into everything, folks.

CreepyDavis at The DP in the "Vessel" flashback? Oh, man, that gave me the heebie-jeebies. Well-done, Mr. Witwer. Well-done.

Jimmy is so freaking whiny! I realize he was worried about his fiance', but come on, dude. Clark was trying to help her just as much as you were. I hated that he basically forced Chloe to trust HIM and not Clark, even though, she WANTED to trust Clark and stay and wait for him in the barn versus going to the hospital with Jimmy. What a punk!

I was so glad to see the closeness of the Chlark relationship and can't wait to see where everything goes from here. FINALLY, a storyline worth coming back for! I feel like S8 is just NOW starting.

Great episode, Smallville! You get a 10 from me.

I do not agree. With the loss of the secret of Clark, the last four years Chloe are full of holes.
She doesn't remember the Daily Planet, the Isis, Justice and probably Jimmy. In fact she marries him next week.
In fact she lost everything because of Clark. PS3 removes her passion for journalism and Clark to give to Lois and now PS3 erases her memory. Without this memory Chloe is not Chloe. In this circumtance, the wedding is totally stupid.
Lana and Oliver know that Chloe knows the secret of Clark. Clark will say them that he has erased the memory of her best friend against her will.

[tarrow21]

I doubt they're gonna make Chloe forget Clark's secret for long. They still have 10 more episodes...what's Chloe gonna do in those 10? She won't have much of a role.

It's a dilemma IMO. It'd be pretty lame if she got the memories back. Too much flip-flopping. Nothing ever seems permanent in Smallville. But if she DIDN'T get it back, then it would be pretty sad in the finale. Her relationship as a best friend to Clark has been built up on her helping him out w/ his secret, dealing with his Kryptonian heritage.
Chloe's life for the past 4 years has revolved around Clark's secret. So what memories exactly does she have left of the past 4 yrs since Clark took away everything related to his abilities/krypton?

The mini-Clark was surprisingly believable (in looks). Except being too young.
Mini-Chloe didn't feel like mini-Chloe at all. She talked too slow for Chloe. Was not her usual 'exposition-delivering' self. Like someone said, they were pretty wooden.

and remind me again why Chloe/Jimmy's wedding is gonna be in...the barn? That's exactly what Jimmy would want. Getting married in the barn of his fiance's ex-crush/best-friend-that-he-is-jealous-of

Davis is wayyy too desperate.

6/10. slow episode. Think they could've done the memory loss thing better. Didn't have to make it all creepy and horror movie-like.

[Black Panda]

"Abyss" was EPIC!
Thank you, Smallville, for bringing something to the table that was interesting, action-packed, emotional, mysterious, and thought-provoking.
Agreed. This was an interesting episode. The lack of budget for effects showed, but the concept was intriguing, and it was creepy and tense all the way through.


the scene was adorable and them running down from the loft into the "Vessel" flashback was just awesome! I loved that Chloe was actually experiencing these flashbacks and was trying to keep from losing them.
Very surreal. Very moving. Loved it.


Brainiac taking it over, complete with Terrence Stamp's voice turning into James Marsters'?
Loved how it mirrored what had happened with Chloe.

I loved how creepy Davis was. Cripes, just what did he have planned taking Chloe back to the Talon, and what the scary stuff is going on at his apartment. Love how that threat is understated, but man that guy is dirt. Don't look into my past, indeed.


while the episode did leave me pissed because of the mindwipe
Yeah, I can't get past this. So stupid. So unethical. When is that super-intelligence kicking in again? I'm supposed to root for this moron? I understand the super-guilt trip. I understand show don't tell the writers want to show why this is untenable to lose this history and abandon this relationship. Still, I'm not tuning in to watch Forest Gump. They need to do better by Clark.

[dimeo782002]

im sorry im disgusted and heart broken i have done nothing but cry. i was fine till clark told jorel to wipe his secret then niagra falls down my face ! i cried and even muttered a no.

then to make things worse the preview for next weeks episode. ugh ! he goes in for a kiss with lois. i started crying all over again. why do they have to be together on smallville ...why ?

if chloe does not have her memeories of clarks secret by the end of episode 12 im litterally finished and i mean it FINISHED with smallville! this is horse ****.

what he said was very touching wanting to give her a life safe from his secret but Chloe specifically told him his secret changed her life for the better and she had no regrets.

i hope this blows up in his face so bad and im glad lana is coming back for five episodes just to see something else get put on hold cause im not ready for that love fest !
although the only thing i liked was that clark does seem more mature and maore supermanish.

he does have real feelings for chloe but i still feel he made a mistake and this is not the show i signed on for. is this really necessary ?

i get it and i understand clark but it still hurts.

PS3 mind wipes chloe sullivan from being clarks closet confidonte and sidekick and then the preview for next week shows clark leaning in for a kiss with lois.... now you tell me why PS3 did this ? well i guess i don't need to explain.

you want mythos fine, whatever but you didn't have to destroy chlark to get your iconic relationship.

yes imo it's destroyed ! it is so obvious why this was done . im so glad lana is coming back to screw things up at least for a little while.

the epsiode was good BUT the ends do not justify the means. i just don't like what is happening.

they ruined smallville this was supposed to be the journey and from what i see for next weeks episode it is no longer smallville it is superman/lois and clark.

now all i have to do i buy some comics and go rewatch the superman films i no longer need to watch smallville because in MYTHOS when clark /superman is with lois he is already superman. so i guess the show is finished i love how they throw around iconic and mythos when this show has botched and screwed up all the time lines in superman history and mythology. this is the new superman reboot they don't even need to make the movie now.

i gave this episode a 1 because it was deliberately written to kill the chlark dynamic and fluff another pairing for the sake of a better iconic audience. after all they can't have two girls as clarks best confidonte so now they have paved the way for it to be handed over to someone else that is more worthy of knowing his secret to the iconic audience. bleh im disgusted beyond imagination.


im not saying chloe and chlark has to be a romantic couple but hwy wipe the best friendship on television?

i know tomake way for... never mind im just sick over it. this is not smallville any longer it is called superman the reboot .

[ginnyfan]

"Abyss" was a wonderful episode. Wow! What a tribute to Chlark! Oh the detail of this episode was so much fun. I loved all the callbacks to past seasons.

I'm not happy about Clark's decision to erase Chloe's memories. Especially in light of Chloe's wonderful rant about how she wouldn't trade knowing his secret for anything. But I'm glad that Clark took Oliver's words in last weeks episode to heart. It was nice to see Chloe so happy at the end of the episode... as though a weight had been lifted.

Jimmy's devotion to Chloe was wonderful to see. He stuck by her and fought for her even though she forgot him first. :( Chloe said she loves him. :D

Davis did a wonderful job during the entire episode. Chloe's wedding is fast approaching and he really tried hard to to the right thing but at the end he HAD to confess. Oh it broke my heart. The second time I watched it I almost cried.

Clark/Jor-el... awesomeness!

Brainiac in the Fortress... awesomeness!

Lois not being around whenever Chloe gets in a huge life or death jam regarding Clark's secret... LAME LAME LAME! And the writing was a bit clunky at times.

Great episode.

[Mr.Magic]

3/10 for the flashbacks. The rest of the episode bored and/or annoyed me.

I especially could have done without Clark's whining. She got hurt because she knows my secret... Please, she got hurt plenty before she knew the secret.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

This whole season is great, this episode is just another to solidify that fact.

I like the reason that they brought Brainiac back the way they did, so I won't put this in the complaint category, but the MRI computer takeover seemed like a classic Brainiac reincarnation setup.

[superspider02]

Wow o wow what an episode we got tonight. I enjoyed it alot. VEry sad episode. Loved the who kryptonian code and brainiac taking over chloe. Her memories were very cool to see and get altered. I loved seeing the dark thursday, and car catch memories again, and we finally got to see there first kiss scene that was mentioned way back in season1.

That scene was very sweet. The young actors did very good and played clark and chloe well, though i wish clark's actor was more simular looking to tom welling season 1 look. That being said i kinda wish they finished that scene way back in season 1, and it was never used to be used now. But it was still good.

I loved seeing the fortress back and loved clark's talk with his father. It great to see the FOS back and i cant wait to see what happens now. Also what a wicked scene with brainiac taking over the fos and i loved we got james's voice as brainiac, with that said i really hope now we get to see him physically return as brainiac. As for clark's reason to wipe chloe knowing he is an alien and his powers it was very well acted and scripted, though i am really sad to see that aspect of their relationship now gone. There goes 4 yrs of development between them and her interaction with jla members now. I do hope maybe she learns about clark all over again or gets the memories back one day.

As for the trailer for next week dam, johns wasnt kidding a few weeks back saying bride was going to be a crazy episode. Wow doomsday was wicked looking. In the scene where clark throws a punch did it look like an actual actor/suit for him or was he totally all cgi, i know the chloe part was and man i didnt expect cgi route for doomsday. I half expected sam just getting some body makeup and boney looks on body and that it. Cant wait for next week.

[marikology]

I loved it. It was just epic. It was a love letter to my Chlarker heart. It almost makes me forget the bastardization of the Fever letter. (But not quite.) It cemented to me what I already knew, that no other person can ever measure up to what Clark and Chloe mean to each other.

I love that they clarified that Chloe has been faking it with people for weeks, but Jimmy only noticed when she was alarmed at his presence. And Jimmy is peculiar. He is so hung up on Chlark, but he went straight to Clark knowing that he couldn't help Chloe, but Clark could. I love that it showed me all the moments I treasure from their friendship, but carefully leaving out the ones that Chloe doesn't remember (Hug and Rush.) great detail there. I love seeing the baby-Chlark scene. The kids were cute.

And the Chlark scene in Abyss. I have no words. So. Beautiful.

I was completely surprised by Davis' kissing her, but as much as I hate Chloom, I'm okay with it because they completely sold it as one-sided and fantastically-creepy. I thought his desperation reminded me a lot of Clark in S6 with regards to Lexana, just letting it all hang out, damn the consequences. The Davis/Clark parallels were on again tonight too. They both hugged Chloe and said, "I won't ever leave you." Davis only entered when Clark, her last memory, was deleted.

I specced that Clark wouldn't knowingly erase Chloe's memory, but I was wrong, of course. I'm mad, but not outraged. He's earning his BDA nickname. Doesn't he know that Chloe fares better when she knows what she's up against? I like the way they showed how he felt the impact instantaneously, through a mundane, everyday conversation. I am not bothered by it though, cos there's no way it sticks. It's way too early in the season, first of all, and Brainiac is still in there. When he's out, she'll be fully-restored.

Anyway I loved it. Thanks so much, show, for reminding me why I ship Chlark.

[diinIN]

...if I remember my Smallville correctly, Clark said that incident took place in the 8th grade, meaning it would have been a mere 1 year before the start of the whole series.

Something tells me Chloe and Clark didn't both hit the fast-track to puberty at the exact same time in the summer between 8th grade and 9th.

Good observation. I didn't catch that. And Metropolis has somehow moved an hour closer to Smallville. It used to be 3 hours away. The things you can do on TV!

This was a great episode! It's disappointing that Clark didn't restore Chloe's memories of him, but understandable. I wonder if that will last. He's sure needed her enough times.

He looked so sad in the Fortress when he was talking to her. The lonely life of a superhero just got lonelier.

Really liked that he called Jor-El "father." That's a first, I'm sure.

Oh, I mentioned on the CW site that my husband sort of lost interest in this show in season 7, but he's back on track again! We're very much liking S8. He thinks ED is doing a fantastic job of revealing Lois's hidden attraction to Clark.

Was that those two kissing in next week's show? We paused it to see, and it didn't look like Lana. But then, their lips didn't quite meet, and I'm sure that's the precise moment that Doomsday busts in.

[Violet-Shadow]

A 6. I loved the Jimmy scenes... But the end scene was the best, IMO. And of course the actors all did amazing jobs. AM did the best I think.

[Mr.Magic]

And Metropolis has somehow moved an hour closer to Smallville. It used to be 3 hours away.

She said 2 hour trip. One hour there, one hour back. Takes me almost that long to get from the city center to suburbia - if there is traffic - and I live in a small city (population ~700,000).

[Clark-Lois]

i didn't get a chance to see it because of the Jets. vs patriots game. don't worry. i'm downloading it now. i'll be able to watch it tomorrow.

[mysticalweather]

I gave it an 8.

The good:

Loved the return of FOS! And a *nice* fatherly Jor-El. 'bout time!
The memory loss scenes were excellent. Poor Chloe. And Jimmy.
Aw, Davis. Dangit! I know what happens to you, stop making me like you!
Brainiac infected FOS! Meep!!
Is the new name FOSiac? Jor-Eliac? ;)
Brain-El? :rotfl:

Moving on...

The bad:
Mini!Chloe's hair. Trivial...but sheesh, distracted me from the whole scene.
Lack of Lois. I wish they'd have had a least *one* scene/memory of Chloe and Lois. Seriously? They *are* family, after all. Sometimes I wonder if TPTB actually know how families behave...

The ugly:
I had *such hope* that they wouldn't cop out on the Chloe-knows-Clark's-secret. *sigh* Hope is now dashed to pieces. Really? *Really?* Apologies for the overemphasis here but Clark just went and rewrote like 4 YEARS of Chloe's life, and then acts like *he* made the sacrifice? Aaowijaworhga?!1?

Sure, yes, fine, he did lose a confidant and things between them will never be the same. But she lost her entire purpose of being! As she, quite literally, told him mere moments before her brain went AWOL. *sporks Clark* *kicks Smallville* *docks 2 goodness points from episode*

Other than that rather large and upsetting event, I did enjoy. Good character scenes, and a nice emotional episode that was played well by all.

Thoughts on Chloe kissing Davis, anyone? Keeping in mind that Jimmy got reamed for kissing Maxima while under the influence. Now, Chloe has kissed Davis in broad daylight without any alcohol in sight. So I wonder if Chloe will get the same treatment as Jimmy did? (Okay, no, I'm not really wondering, actually it's more like I'm betting almost no one will go, "OMG, she's cheating on Jimmy! That lying liar who lies!")

Just out of spite, I hope Chloe relearns Clark's secret, like, next week. Ha! In your face, CK! :lol:

[claudiss]

the start, the flashbacks, chloe forgetting, very intense... great episode, but the mindwipe about clark´s secret? here´s what i have to say...
okay, this season clark is acting more like superman, that´s really good. He is liking Lois better, ok, but once thing makes me really mad is why do they have to ruin the chlark friendship (the best bond in the show IMO)? ok we know Chloe and clark were great friends before knowing the secret, but after she learns it , the friendship took another lever, they became more than just friends, the trust was the key for that, I´m really sad about that turn to their relationship. Where did it go?:S what about olliver and chloe "the watchtower"? , what about all those moments chlark shared?. I´m sorry but I thought superman was allowed to have a superfriend. When I read posts and see a lot the word "comics", I don´t think SV have to be exactly like that, I thought this story was "based" in the comics, SV is not a comic.
anyways
as a SV viewer and SV loyal fan,I say this episode was great but too sad at the same time :(. I hope chlark dynamic doesn´t change that much (I know, wishful thinking). and I hear you dimeo and I understand.

oh and I know there are plenty of comic fans here, so take it easy. But this thread is for everybody and I speak for those who really don´t know or care about comics.

well...can´t wait for next episode.

btw loved when clark called Jor-el "father"

I gave it an 8.

[BWOracle]

I gave it an 8...I deducted 1 point for the lack of action and 1 for taking the secret away from Chloe. I really wasn't looking forward to this episode knowing that the secret was in jeopardy but I wasn't as upset as I thought I would be. It will require Clark to solve problems more on his own and takes him one step closer to Superman. It was awesome to finally hear Clark call Jor-El "Father".

I do question the purpose of Chloe and wonder what PS3 plan to do with her character. When the Chloe character was created originally, she was really a placeholder for Lois Lane. Now that Lois Lane is here and is her iconic self, what purpose does Chloe serve?

I have probably re-watched the hospital scene from Arrival when she finds out he's an alien about 200-300 times so it's kind of disappointing to lose some of what the last four years have brought but I'm curious where they go from here.

Although they used the footage of creating the FOS from Arrival they did add one shot that wasn't there before. The first time we didn't get to see Clark's perspective of seeing the construction...we only got to see it from his angle after it was built. So it was a short addtion but did add something new.

[SUPERMANUSA]

I've been watching S8 and thought that the new producers were doing a FANTASTIC! job. I LOVE how they are recapping the episodes as if they were premiers!!! AWESOME!! Now this episode was just WOW!

GREAT JOB PRODUCERS!
FINALLY! THANK YOU!

[The Great Ymmij]

I would have to say it was definitely one of the best!

[curiosity]

I gave it an 8. I liked the episode. I like where the story is going with Doomday and Brainiac. There was a little too much Chloe, and no Lois, so I had to subtract 2 points.

[diinIN]

She said 2 hour trip. One hour there, one hour back. Takes me almost that long to get from the city center to suburbia - if there is traffic - and I live in a small city (population ~700,000).

Well, if she meant one hour there, one back, then Metropolis has moved TWO hours closer to Smallville! Way back in Season 1, it was three hours one way, if I remember right. It was never one hour away.

[Mr.Magic]

Well, if she meant one hour there, one back, then Metropolis has moved TWO hours closer to Smallville! Way back in Season 1, it was three hours one way, if I remember right. It was never one hour away.

Nope, it was a three hour round trip (to get hot dogs in season two afair).


OMG! The Superman symbol connected to the Chlark kiss in Vessel! YES!!

And here I thought no one noticed this one frame insert.

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[mysticalweather]

...

Jimmy is so freaking whiny! I realize he was worried about his fiance', but come on, dude. Clark was trying to help her just as much as you were. I hated that he basically forced Chloe to trust HIM and not Clark, even though, she WANTED to trust Clark and stay and wait for him in the barn versus going to the hospital with Jimmy. What a punk!
.

I feel the need to defend Jimmy here a bit.

Chloe was losing her memories. Jimmy, like any normal person would, thinks Chloe needs medical attention and he goes straight to Clark for help to convince Chloe to go see a doctor.

Jimmy shouldn't be blamed for not knowing what Clark was up to. So when Jimmy found a confused Chloe *alone, in a barn*, no CK anywhere to be found... yeah, I can totally see how he'd be upset that Clark had left Chloe by herself. Who wouldn't be?

Jimmy wasn't being a punk, he was just trying to do what was best for Chloe. He even got her in to see the best doctor he could find.

I'd have done the same thing for someone I loved.

[ginnyfan]

I feel the need to defend Jimmy here a bit.

Chloe was losing her memories. Jimmy, like any normal person would, thinks Chloe needs medical attention and he goes straight to Clark for help to convince Chloe to go see a doctor.

Jimmy shouldn't be blamed for not knowing what Clark was up to. So when Jimmy found a confused Chloe *alone, in a barn*, no CK anywhere to be found... yeah, I can totally see how he'd be upset that Clark had left Chloe by herself. Who wouldn't be?

Jimmy wasn't being a punk, he was just trying to do what was best for Chloe. He even got her in to see the best doctor he could find.

I'd have done the same thing for someone I loved.

Hear Hear! :D

[marikology]

Thoughts on Chloe kissing Davis, anyone? Keeping in mind that Jimmy got reamed for kissing Maxima while under the influence. Now, Chloe has kissed Davis in broad daylight without any alcohol in sight. So I wonder if Chloe will get the same treatment as Jimmy did? (Okay, no, I'm not really wondering, actually it's more like I'm betting almost no one will go, "OMG, she's cheating on Jimmy! That lying liar who lies!")

Davis kissed her and she was stunned for a second before pushing him away. Also, she has a kryptonian computer in her head telling her to be attracted to him. I think she gets a pass. Jimmy? Not so much.

[dotsie23]

Davis kissed her and she was stunned for a second before pushing him away. Also, she has a kryptonian computer in her head telling her to be attracted to him. I think she gets a pass. Jimmy? Not so much.

Nah, Chloe pretty much kissed him too and if you watch that scene you can see her moving towards him and then that little half-hearted attempt to push him away!!! That kiss rocked Chloe's world!:D

[mysticalweather]

Davis kissed her and she was stunned for a second before pushing him away. Also, she has a kryptonian computer in her head telling her to be attracted to him. I think she gets a pass. Jimmy? Not so much.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but Brainiac was no longer influencing Chloe at the time of the kiss...so while she gets definite points for pulling away (as did Jimmy, I might add)...I don't think what she did was any worse or better than Jimmy's previous actions. YMMV *shrugs*

But yeah, I guess my prediction was right, then... ;)

[ep3dan]

i liked the epi. i give it an 9/10 only because chloe doesn't know clark's secret anymore. i was really hoping she would know his secret till the end and put her in the comics. but i guess that wont happen. oh well. i like that they keep mentioningjohn jones though.

[Harrison_Bergeron]

She said 2 hour trip. One hour there, one hour back. Takes me almost that long to get from the city center to suburbia - if there is traffic - and I live in a small city (population ~700,000).

Anyone think it was weird that she was ready to jump on her Vespa to drive 2 hours to the city? What happened to her sleek, stylish, and economical 4 cylinder Toyota Yaris?

[dotsie23]

Anyone think it was weird that she was ready to jump on her Vespa to drive 2 hours to the city? What happened to her sleek, stylish, and economical 4 cylinder Toyota Yaris?

I don't think they paid for any advertisement in this eppy:)

[Randy G.]

I don't think they paid for any advertisement in this eppy:)

Ha ha ha! I love that explanation! :lol:

[andyolinyk]

i totally felt something at the end i called 3 things,either doomsdays eyes turn red,chloes eyes turning green and at the end i was like the fos is gonna turn evil i was like evil jor el then when what happenened when it happened iwas like we'll i'll be a son of a beetch! 10/10 here.

[La Donna]

Chloe will not forget Clark's secret for long. We know the memories are still there, she just can't access them because of what Jor-El did. In the next episode we see that Doomsday comes, and then in Legion three superheroes come from the past to separate Chloe and Brainiac. That will need explanation for one, and the reason we haven't heard much about what Chloe will be doing over the next few episodes after Legion is because they are going for a cliff-hanger with Chloe not knowing his secret. It's also why we haven't heard where Jimmy and Lois are going to be during episodes 11-14. Their going for cliff-hangers, and Chloe is one of them. Chloe is one of the only people on this show for Clark to discuss his secret with, besides Oliver, but Clark and Ollie aren't comfortable enough for Clark to really open up, and he doesn't know Clark as well as Chloe. Hopefully, his new found relationship with Jor-El will continue, and that will serve as part of his explanation of feelings, but not until the fortress is freed of Brainiac, and it won't be a constant thing.

These are cliff-hangers we know the answer to, but they are still making us say "well what if they did kill off Jimmy" and "what if Chloe never learns Clark's secret again?". I just don't see any chance of these cliff-hangers ending in a surprise like that, and the lack of info about Chloe's total activities, and no mention of Jimmy and Lois, makes me feel they are keeping the outcome under wraps so we don't know how exactly they resolve it, even if we can guess the end result.

I can't believe this episode, or anything this season, would make someone think they were destroying the Clark and Chloe friendship. In my opinion, it's been incredibly strong this season, and Clark is putting a lot more of his appreciation and love out there than he ever had before. This episode proved it. These two are best friends, but their more than that, their family. If Chloe doesn't relearn Clark's secret, there is no point for her on the show. The show needs Chloe, so for that reason alone they will have her remember the secret.

I also can't believe how Jimmy could be viewed as the bad guy in this episode. He wanted to help Chloe, and he did everything he could to do so. Of course he tried to talk her out of leaving the barn and waiting for Clark!!!! He was right, Clark shouldn't have left her alone, and Jimmy was getting an actual medical doctor to see her right away. I also don't think he only showed concern when she forgot him. He was already worried about her before that, but honestly, how can you compare her saying "Lana who", "I just didn't hear you", to "Get out of my apartment, I've never seen you before in my life"? Of course the latter is going to garner more concern. Clark is the one who should have spotted this sooner, and done something before it got to this point.

I thought it was kinda bad that Clark wanted her memory of his ability gone, because Chloe is still a meteor infected person to him (he's not aware that it is totally gone), she felt she was doing important work at Isis by trying to help the meteor infected, and she had just told him that her life has improved since knowing his secret, and that she's so proud that she has been able to help save the world. I don't think he did it selfishly, but I think he has a tendency to want his loved ones wrapped in a protective bubble and keep them unaware because he feels it's always best for them. We can see that it doesn't work that way, but it's something Clark still believes to be true.

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

Oh ya, I thought I'd add in how amazing Clark was in general as Supermanly. Really, I wish Al/Miles had handed the show over sooner. This season is such a huge change for Clark, and it's so exciting for everyone. No matter what ship you support, we are all in favor of a pro-active and mature Clark. The conversations with Jor-El were awesome, and I think we are going to be seeing a more fatherly and kind Jor-El under the new show runners. Obviously not until the infection is gone, but after that....

[davidbrenton]

The effects were nice. It was a pretty good ep, especially towards the end. I thought it was long and drawn out in the beginning though. The good delivery didn't kick in until 30 minutes in. I gave it a 7.

I agree with you. I think another subplot would have really made the episode a little more powerful.

I am on the fence with the episode. It was definitely not a filler, and more impactful to the long term story than i expected. Wow.

If it had more going on and the the last 30 minutes aired and hit us, i thought it would have been incredible.

[Clark-Lois]

Okay i just got done watching it. I gave it a 7 because, A. No Lois, B. The FOS gets infected, and C. (the biggest of them all) Chloe no longers knows Clark's secret. I agree with the numerous people who said that knowing the secret brought them closer together. Also, a few people mentioned that since Chloe doesn't know Clark's secret she really has no point on the show. i completely agree. Besides Ollie, which they were never as close nor will they ever be as close as Clark and Chloe. She was the one that he could confide everything in. there were no secrets that he couldn't tell her. i hope this situation is only temporary. I mean i am a die-hard CLois fan for life, but Chloe was my favorite non-romantical character. I've seen every episode ever since the first season and while i'm glad her and clark didn't get together, i'm sad to see that we are back to secrets again.

[Fallen One]

FBI Offices…Exact Location Confidential

Agent Thompson: This is stupid.

Agent Davis: I know, I know. What can I tell you? I tried to tell them that we have the capabilities to adequately interrogate this prisoner, but the boss is a big Smallville fan. This is out of my hands. We might as well try it and see if it works. (pressing intercom button) Betty, send in the Green Arrow, Chloe, and Jimmy please.

Green Arrow enters the Interrogation Room. He stands on top of a chair to the right and front of the prisoner and stares directly at him with binoculars. Chloe follows and stands in the middle of the room. Jimmy, holding a large camera stations himself to the left.

Agent Thompson (looking up at Oliver on the chair): Uh.. what the hell are you doing?

Chloe's cellphone receives a text message from the Green Arrow... who is standing one foot from her

Chloe (looking down at the text): He says he's scoping out the enemy. Now what seems to be the problem?

Agent Davis: Uh right. Weird but OK, here's what we need. We need to find out where he hid the murder weapon and were there other co-cospirators in the murders. Thats all, nothing else.

Chloe: Don't worry. We save the world on a constant basis on the show. This will be a MASSIVE peace of cake.

Agent Davis: Well OK as long as you're--

Green Arrow (cocking back his bow): Where's Lex?

Prisoner (confused): Huh? I don't know any--AHHHH!!!

Blinding flashes of light fill the small room as Jimmy goes to town snapping photos of the prisoner in agony. Chloe just smiles.

Agent Thomspon: Have you all LOST YOUR MINDS!? Thats not how we do things here!

Chloe: Please.. let us do our job here. I can reach him. (Turning to the prisoner) So, you're probrably scared and wondering why he shot you in the leg with an arrow. Its natural. The important thing to remember is that if you didn't really want to be shot by Green Arrow then you wouldn't have came here in the first place.

Agent Davis: That doesn't even make sense.

Prisoner (in agony and holding his leg): Please.. don't shoot again Mr. I-I'll tell you where the weapon is..

Chloe: It OK. It doesn't really matter if you want to keep the location of the murder weapon private. This isn't a witchhunt.

Agent Thompson: Uh…actually, Chloe, it does matter. We kind of needed to know that info. Thats the whole reason for--

Chloe: Who are you again? Do I tell you how to do you're job? And whats with you, anyway? Do you just assume that every guy who knows where the murder weapon is, is guilty?

Agent Thompson: Are you stoned? Have you been tested? How can you--

Green Arrow (aiming another arrow): Where is Carmen Sandiego?

Prisoner (terrified): What!!? AHHHH!!!!!!

Agent Thompson (pointing to Oliver): Mike! Grab that lunatic and his weapon!

Agent Davis moves toward Oliver when his cellphone recieves a text message. "Move N U Die" it reads. Jimmy Ooohs and Ahhhs at the action packed photos he's getting.

Agent Davis: Wow just wow.. Bill, count me out of this circus..

Prisoner: OK! I'll confess! The other co-conspirators have planned--

Chloe: Look, I believe in you. Even if the FBI doesn't. You don't have to feel obligated to come forth.

Agent Thompson: We sort of needed to know that too, Chloe. You're blowing this investigation.

Chloe: All you care about solving murders. Have you ever thought about the victim in all of this?

Agent Thompson: That is.. the DUMBEST thing I've heard in my 20 years on the job.

Prisoner (holding out his arms): Please.. Please! Don't! Somebody help!

Oliver (singing while aiming his arrow): Where's the love.. its not enough.. it makes the world go 'round and 'round...

Agent Davis: Ohhh my God..

Agent Thompson (frozen in fear): OK, will you look at that. Looks like you all solved the case for us. I guess we're done here, everyone. Thank you so much for your time. You're free to go. Please..

Chloe, Green Arrow, and Jimmy leaves the room and steps into the hallway. Finally the door slams shut.

Agent Thompson (wiping his brow): Damn, at least that's all over.

Agent Davis: Not quite. There's still one more guy to interrogate him. (pressing intercom button) Betty, send in Clark Kent please.

Clark walks in and sees the bloody prisoner and falls to his knees

Clark (pounding the floor with his fists): OHHHH NO! Its all my fault! If I had been here I could have stopped it all!

Prisoner: B-But Mr. Y-you didn't do anything. Its alright..

Clark (weeping louder): Why!? Why couldn't I trust you!? WHY!?!

Agent Thompson: We better order some food. This is going to be a long night.

Clark (voice coming from an open window): And look at that chair is sqeaky because of me! And the air would be fresher if only I had listened! And the floor, my God the floor!

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Wow talk about a nightmare. Chinese water torture never sounded so appealing. But enough about all of that. Its time for Smallville!

You know, alcohol is a great thing sometimes and boy did I need it tonight. A Chloomy centric episode with Chloe as the main star. Those aren't Angels singing, folks. But there is always light at the end of the tunnel, unless the tunnel is named Lana.

Opening scene. And its Chloe. With her wedding ring. And Jimmy. Breakfast in bed. *takes a shot* Ginnyfan, I'm trying. Believe me I'm trying. Chloe is a little forgetful. You see, alien infections is bad thing, kids. Who would have guessed it? More of that lovey-dovey look from Jimmy before a flashback breaks it up and.. its Chimmy again. I assume this is a memory of their engagement party? I really dug the effects when things went wacky, and the faceless Jimmy was about as symbolic as it comes. Poor dude is unrecognizable sometimes. Chloe is left all alone and then we flash back to real time to... more Chimmy. Chloe doesn't remember Jimmy? Here's your chance man! Make a way for the exit before she remembers!

Kent farm. What if Jimmy had walked into the house while Clark was ripping that pipe out with no tools? Jimmy is distraught that Chloe doesn't remember him and Clark intitially acts like he was just told Chloe perfers waffles over pancakes. Finally he begins to take things seriously. I appreciate the concern and everything by Jimmy and Clark but I'm not the biggest fan of the way the episode is going so far, Chloe's memory or lack of is the entire plot so far. A little variety please.

Met General. I've worked at a hospital when I was a teenager and no receptionist is that perky. Its not like she's getting paid double to always smile. Chloe sees Davis and the first words out of his mouth are "I've been thinking about you" *takes another shot*. Small talk is done and Davis wants to say something I'm sure I won't like but Chloe cuts him with a burn that was hilarious. I have to use that one day.

Officer: Sir, you were doing 55 mph in a 45 lane, I--

Me: Officer I would really love to hear what you have to say honestly, but now is just not a good time. *drives off*

Yes, I know.. my car would be shot up and I'd end up on an episode of Cops.

Isis. Chloe again, dammit, whats going on here? Positive thoughts Cedric.Clark calls out for her and she closes off that creepy room. Oh Chloe did you really think that would work? Chloe goes into bad liar-mode, and she starts talking about Jimmy like she read about him on Wikipedia. But that bowling shirt comment was funny. When Clark asks "What about fiance?" Oh boy, this is where it gets really good. Chloe says, and I quote "Yeah. Right. We begin our lives together Saturday at 6." Seriously, what the hell was that!? It was so awful of a lie that all I could do was laugh. Clark then makes it known that he was x-raying the room before he called out for her. Busted! Clark makes a move for the remote but she grabs it then rambles on about confidentially and folding a napkin.

Clark: Client confidentiality my red and blue ass.

Clark rips open the bookcase and.. oh boy. Oh wow. This is like Ray Finkle's bedroom in Ace Ventura times a million. Pictures of Clark, Lionel, and Jimmy are on the wall and a gajillion notes cover the walls. I didn't think it was possible for this room to get creepier. She finally admits that Brainiac is taking over. Here's my thing. Why wait to tell Clark this when you know he is the only person who can help you? This is your life we are talking about here. You can't keep something this horrible a secret. Her life affects Jimmy's life, and all her friends lives. Its not just "I" anymore when you are about to get married. Its "We". She was going to keep this to herself until she was dead. Its selfish, thats why I didn't find myself feeling this episode as much as I could have. Although this entire scene between she and Clark came close to making me feel for her. And it was one of the best scenes of the episodes.

Talon. Davis what the hell are you doing? Wow, I can just repeat that question for the rest of this review and then say "the end". Jimmy opened the door, but he invited his own self in then acts kinda creepy. Like he was about to commit suicide over seeing all the wedding gifts. Well, at least me and him can agree there. "She's all I long for, all I worship and adore" UGH *takes another hit*. What was that note going to say? I hope it wasn't a love letter. Kind of a weird vibe-y scene.

Kent Farm. Woah, more than two cows this time, eh Clark? Exposition blah blah Oh doom! Thats cool. Blah blah. Let me get this straight. She gets upset that Clark is trying to help her. And says that the reason why she didn't tell him was because he would help her. Thats basically the way I took it. Goodbye to any ounce of sympathy I had for her infection. Clark names the people whose lives were turned upside down by his secret. My grin is back baby. "I'm not going to let my secret destroy your life too" Yes, Clark. Go with that feeling!

Flashback scene with Clark catching that car in Pariah. But when the car disapears it looks like he's holding a giant invisible hamburger.

Oh she doesn't remember his secret now? Oh yes, God yes. Just shut up Clark and stop trying to remind her.

I thought it was a poor choice to rebuild the FOS like that. Thats suppose to be an epic moment and they handled it like Clark was looking at the prices fall at Walmart.. It was abrupt, and we didn't even get to see him toss the crystal. If they were strapped for time, I can think of a boatload of stuff that could have been cut. Like say.. the first 18 minutes of this episode.

Kent Farm. Of course, lets not take more time in showing the rebuilding of the Fortress. We need more time to see show Chloe reading a book. More Chimmy. More akward horrible lying, and Jimmy immediately noticed it after he huged her. Blah blah, why can't you remember me, I'm sorry but I don't, trust me, I can't, you can, but what about Clark, blah blah. *make that a double*

Fortress. Finally. Something worthwhile. It was great seeing this place again, and it was great hearing Terrance Stamp. We got some clarification on why Clark was stripped of his powers (although that one was pretty much known), and wow the authority and maturity that Clark spoke with. "You've grown up Kal El, your trails have matured you." Indeed he has, and indeed they have. Although I was waiting for "And Al/Miles are gone..." at the end. But I can't have everything I want now can't I? Jor-El asks Clark if he's willing to take the risk of Brainiac doing something crazy when Chloe memories are returned. I just knew something bad was coming after he said this. Great scene.

Met General. Chloe is getting an MRI done but.. another flashback. Chlark kisses are shown until we have the original kiss scene.

Now, I love children (except those little punks down the street, and I WILL have my revenge) but if I'm being honest this was pretty akward to watch. I could only imagine how they must have felt with all those studio people watching them. The girl playing Chloe is obviously wearing a wig. What makes it 10 times worse though is that she keeps. shaking. her. head. And the wig kept moving. Go back and watch it, its hilarious!:lol: And the boy playing Clark was so nervous and stiff. The poor things. Seriously, the little boy that kept repeating "Redrum, redrum" on The Shining blows these kids away in acting. Thats not a good thing. A for effect though, but they looked so nervous.

Good effects again though with everything disapearing though. And yes! That damn tractor finally met its end!

Then its getting a little too Matrix-y during the Dark Thursday flashback. I swear I saw a giant mosquito jump up and fly away but it was just a DP chair. After Clark disapears, in walks Davis looking suave. Bonus points for the all black suit. I bet he used a Gillette razor to shave just before this scene.

Outside of Met General. Chloe is scared and goes to Davis for help. Davis offers to help her find her friends and recover her memory but she likes having amnesia and doesn't want him to help. I think I just summed up the stupidity in this scene in two sentences. Pffft, and they said it couldn't be done.

Talon. This poor Chloe stuff just keeps coming doesn't it? Somebody save me! After deciding to work together on finding her, Clark sees her with Davis downstairs. Chloe acts like she ready to run, seeing Jimmy sets her off.

THANK YOU Davis for ending this. A needle to the neck never looked so good. With Chloe knocked-out, Clark speeds her to the fortress.

Fortress. The moment I've been waiting for, for four months. Do it Clark. For pride, for family, for country. Do it twice, just in case the first times fails. Wow, I think I've said these things before, only for a different reason. "Chloe deserves a life free from the burden of my secret. When you restore her memory I don't want her to remember anything about Krypton, or my abilities". Excuse me for a moment.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

Whew. Let us proceed.

Sad music, sad looks, and a kiss on the forehead. How sweet. I'm touched. Now fry her memory please.

"I'm sorry to go back to hiding the truth from you". But I'm not. Zap her brain why don't you!!

"But the best way I know how to protect you is to let you go" Oh will you drop her already!! Let her fall!!!

Oh its happening, its happening! The giant ancient joystick is glowing! YES!!!!!! But oh there's Brainiac's ooze. That can't be good can it? Oh who cares. She no longer knows the secret! Thats all that matters!!!! My dog went nuts when this happened because I was throwing confetti around all over my living room. Oh it was wild baby, yeah! Incredible scene, for all the right reasons.

Talon. More chimmy. Wow they look happy. Almost like.. a couple about to get married. When did this happen? She doesn't remember how her memory was restored. A pity. Clark appears and .. he's Jimmy's best man for the wedding? Didn't know that. Thats going to make next week all the better. "Everything is back to the way it use to be" Yes sir! Nice little scene here. Did I just write that I liked a Chimmy scene? Wow I did. Stop talking to yourself Cedric.

Chavis scene. Oh, no. Oh no. What!? OH NO. How can they do this to Doomsday!!! By this point I'm singing after shot.

"Jack Daniels if you pleaseeeee....knock me to my kneesss" and then I chugged down huge shot.

I mean holy crap, just what was THAT all about. Doomsday is now a wedding wrecker? Luckily the scene ends before I colaspe.

Fortress. Clark showed some remorse but held strong in his decision. It'll be ok Clark, its for the best. The Doomsday convo? Um hell yes. The Ultimate destroyer, virtually unstoppable. "I don't care how powerful it is. I'll take it on like I have everything else." You go, Superman!! How kickass was that line!? I love PS3!!

"Thank you, father" :::chills::: I won't be able to wipe the grin off my face for a week after tonight!

And that black goo is now inside the controls of the fortress. James Masters!! "Your son is destined to fail. Soon a new age will dawn on Earth. An age of power and strength and the fall of the House of El. Doomsday is coming."

The BEST cliffhanger ever on the show!! Wow, wow.

This is so hard to rate. How can I describe this episode. Its like someone presented me with a juicy delicious looking steak, but put on a garbage can lid. Just suckness all around. I don't like Chimmy but I can stomach it in small doses. 30+ minutes of Chimmy is... just...AAAAAHHHHH!!!! You get my point? But the fortress scenes.. wow. They were not just great, they were EPIC! At last I get a sense that father and son are talking. A mature Clark, a loving Jor-El. It was perfect, just perfect. And I've wanted Chloe to forget the secret since season 6 so I couldn't possibly say how just much I loved that twist in this episode.

But the bad: Taking Jimmy away from the DP again and making him lovesick, again. Making Doomsday even more love sick, complete with a kiss. No B plot. Practically zero Davis-Clark interaction at all. With Chloe in 95% of the scenes... is just too much to overlook.

I give this a 7, the second worst behind Toxic which I gave a 6.

Next week though will.. rule.. ALL.

And since its the last episode before hiatus, a special jammed pack review is in store.

[EricaIsGr8t]

It was ok...not the best really. I thought it was better than toxic though. I gave it a 7, it would have been a 6 if not for Clark calling Jor-el father and of course Braniac taking over the fortress.

[Dustmite]

It was great up till the point teh secret was wiped from her mind.

[CallMeClark]

The episode was pretty great, however, because of the plot turn (Chloe's memory of Clark's powers) I was unsatisfied and disappointed... :(

[skully]

Excellent episode. Brilliant acting from AM. Possibly the most elegant mind-wipe yet used in SV. It took 10 episodes to build to and achieve the wipe. No kiss, or death or bumped head. Well done PS3.

I have to admit, given my great fondness for Arrival (not least because it was the episode that Clark was able to unload the burden of hiding his secret from his best friend), I find the removal of Chloe's knowledge of Clark's abilities, deeds and history a tad frustrating. However, I think it opens up great possibilities for the rest of this season and, hopefully, next.

I have faith that Chloe (Brainiac as she was known at school!!! :) ) will still figure it out this season and return the status quo.

I reckon it's worth a a very solid 9/10.

And the trailer for Bride looks awesome. Looks like PreditorDoomy makes an appearance big time.

[stenochick]

Once again, I rate an episode a perfect 10. I would get fired if I was a paid reviewer.

This episode had it all, and then when I thought it could not get any better, they gave me a homage to one of my favorite movies of all time, "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" when Chloe was frantically dragging Clark into different memories in an effort to not forget him.

I look forward to Fridays, my day off. I make a big pot of coffee, log into Ksite, and click right into this thread to read page after page of what you all thought of the latest episode of the Ville.

What am I going to do during the hiatus? Read actual news and current events online?

[marikology]

Correct me if I'm wrong...but Brainiac was no longer influencing Chloe at the time of the kiss...so while she gets definite points for pulling away (as did Jimmy, I might add)...I don't think what she did was any worse or better than Jimmy's previous actions. YMMV *shrugs*



We know from the official description of Legion that Brainiac is still in there, which explains if and why she's still attracted to Davis. Sorry but IMO, alien computer mindwipe =/= "I'll get drunk and make my fiance jealous!" (Jimmy's thoughts before he even met Maxima)

[Dor el]

I agree with La Donna that Chloe's memories are still there buried somewhere in Chloe's brain. Aren't there spoilers for Brainiac still using Chloe or did I imagine that? I suspect her love, her true love, for Clark will resurrect those memories just in the nick of time somehow, somewhere. They are soul mates, different from Clark and Lois, but their relationship is intense, mutually beneficial, mutually cherished, and very special. I found it sad that Clark has lost his best ally, yes, better than Lana, and confidante. After all, Chloe said she would climb Mt. Everest if it would save Clark. Well, the Mt. Everest this time is the feat of regaining her memories. I think Clark won't do it, you know him with all that guilt and misguided benevolence and all, but I think that when the stakes are high and Clark's life lies in the balance, Chloe will dig deep and fight hard and then her natural instinct of loving him and wanting to save him will rise up. At least I hope so, because if Chloe's doesn't know Clark's secret, I think her distinct usefulness on the show is gone.

By the way, anyone think that Ollie's little chat with Clark about Chloe impacted Clark's decision to "save" her from his secret?

I disagree with those that called Clark dumb or those who might call his selfish. I think that Clark truly did what he thought was best for Chloe but certainly not himself. It hurt him from the get go to erase her memories of him. Playing God? Maybe...just a little. Chloe told him several episodes back that he might have to do that someday. She seemed OK with, IMO. Yes, she specifically was talking about Lex, but I think her words could be generalized.

Loved this episode.

[Promise]

HE SAID FATHER!!!

THE BEST EPISODE

PROS-
CLARK SAYING FATHER
CHLOE NOT KNOWING THE SECRET ANYMORE, YES!! THAT'S HOW IT SHLD BE
DOOMSDAY/DAVIS CHARACTER. I LIKE.
DAVIS/CHLOE
FOS BACK

AND NEXT WEEK'S TRAILER, THE RETURN OF LAAAAAAAANA!!!! AND DOOMSDAY SHOWS UP.


Overall, Chloe not knowing the secret anymore makes Smallville more how Clark's secret should be before he is Superman. Everybody knowing his secret was sort of dampering his momentem to Superman. But anyways, I hope that it is gone, it gives Chloe a fresh start with the whole Davis/Jimmy trials, but other than that I'm glad that was erased. Caught me off guard, glad I didn't read spoilers. I think back in Blank it should of been erased.

CON-
WANTED TO SEE MORE HOW THE FOS WAS CREATED.

This has been a long first half. I know the sweeps are coming though.

[stenochick]

I gave it a six. It was too much -- I'm stunned, and not in a wow-I-can't-believe-they-had-the-guts-to-do-that kind of way.

... starring Clark as the memory police. He will pay, perhaps with Chloe's life. She's now an innocent, and she would have been better protected by knowing.

... costarring Davis as the spoiler. Ew.

But it does make for some interesting and entertaining television for the rest of the season.

As much as I want Chloe to be the confidant more than Ollie, it will make things more interesting because they will be so different. I am dying to watch AM as Chloe for the rest of the season because I am genuinely interested in how Clark and Chloe will interact.

I don't think I have ever been "genuinely interested" in anything regarding Chloe prior to season 8, and I get more into Chloe every episode.

Despite the complete undoing of her character (DP to ISIS, fever letter, Abyss, etc.), PS3 has made me more of a Chloe fan and more interested in her story arc than ever in the history of Smallville. I'm so glad KK left the show. There is so much more room for Chloe and Lois now.:D

[superpal1]

I enjoyed this episode and gave a it a ten. I once said that I wouldn't give an episode a ten until Clark flew(for real), but the acting done on this episode by Allison and Tom was excellent and deserves the 10.
I dont think that her memories are completely wiped, but more buried as well. It looks like in future episodes that to much is going to be happening to have her not remember. If to much stuff happens to her and she cant remember why, then we end up with stupid Chloe(who cant put two and two together) and then the question of why is she on the show anymore becomes a big question. I hope that she remembers because even though I'm a Chlois fan, I do like the closeness that Clark and Chloe had.
I also enjoyed the show for all the back references to other episodes and people. We also got a Clark and Jorel scene in which they seemed to respect one another. Clark even called him Father. This episode helped to move certain aspects of the story along.

[Moonshayde]

I'm of mixed feelings about the episode. Normally, I love the Chloe episodes, but I don't what didn't click for me last night. It might just be that I had a bad week. I had trouble getting into Supernatural too, so I don't think my first viewings of both shows are all that fair.

First, I thought all the actors did a great job. AM was amazing. I've always loved her on this show and I think she is a great actress. Chloe is going to be one of those characters that will be absorbed into the mythos post-SV I think.

I just wasn't too engaged for most of this. The scenes where Chloe was losing parts of her memory was good. I think the episode finally picked up for me when Clark came into it more. When he started actively seraching for ways to help her, the episode seemed to balance out and become more urgent.

I know a lot of people don't like the choice that Clark made. I dn't like it either. It's not his place to decide that. However, if we're honest with ourselves, Superman has a history of being a paternalistic jerk sometimes. We've seen it in the movies and other TV shows. I assume it's that way in the comics as well. It's one of his flaws and I've come to accept it.

Bummed that Chloe no longer knows the secret, but it will come back I figure. I'm not too worried about that yet.

But I will say this episode was a great testament to the Chlark friendship :)

[Jaded Wolf]

This is the one episode where I have given it a 10/10! Everything about this episode was just great. The mind wipe with Chloe was done brilliantly and it was so emotional to see Clark make that sacrifice for her. Clark and Jor-El conversing was just awesome and it was awesome at the end to hear Clark call Jor-El "father". You see this previous executive producers whose names I have already forgotten? This is how you do Superman. I'm liking Doomsday now and I don't even care they introduced him early. This episode, no this season alone is making me accept that Smallville stands alone in its own universe and that's okay. As long as they keep making episodes as awesome as this one I'll continue to accept it.

The memory loss was done right and not done to cover up a mistake writers made. There was a reason, it was good for the story, and it was great for the characters. This is how it should be done. To the new executive producers (PS3???) kudos I give unto you for turning around this flagship and steering it in the right direction. I had all but given up on Smallville but your Season 8 has won me back. Keep up the good work!!!

Now Jor-El just needs to teach Clark how to fly...

[Soup's Uncle]

NExt week is gonna be SICK!

[aussiegirl63]

Loved this episode, sad to see Clark and Chloe's relationship change. Maybe she will find out about Clark again when Lana comes back. Clark will be very lonely now that his has no one to share his secret. Tom Welling is again incredible.:):)

[JDS2930]

It's a dilemma IMO. It'd be pretty lame if she got the memories back. Too much flip-flopping. Nothing ever seems permanent in Smallville. But if she DIDN'T get it back, then it would be pretty sad in the finale. Her relationship as a best friend to Clark has been built up on her helping him out w/ his secret, dealing with his Kryptonian heritage. Chloe's life for the past 4 years has revolved around Clark's secret. So what memories exactly does she have left of the past 4 yrs since Clark took away everything related to his abilities/krypton?

This is exactly the problem I have with this episode. I feel like it presents such a huge plot hole. Erasing her knowledge of his secret isn't just one small bit of memory. Like this post says....that knowledge would have multiple other memories connected to it that would also need to be erased. This would surely leave an even larger gaping hole in Chloe's memory. And another post asked what about her role as the "watchtower?" If she doesn't know Clark's secret, she can't really serve as part of the Justice League team because it would be difficult to explain her knowing the secrets of the rest of the team members but not Clark. But again....would this be an example of a memory connected to Clark's secret that was also erased?

Also as this post points out, I feel it's such a huge disservice to the character, the story, and the fans. Chloe's relationship with Clark has been built over the past four years on the knowledge of his secret and helping him out. I feel like it's such a major retcon wiping away four years worth of stories and character development like they never happened, and I hate it when that happens in a series...whether it be a comic or tv. It's like the Spider-Man "Brand New Day" or even the proposal that Grant Morrison had a few years back (at least I think it was him) to completely undo the Lois & Clark marriage in the comics and have Lois forget his identity again. You just can't "roll back the clock" like that. These things happened, and now they're a part of these characters' history and interaction with each other. To undo them just erases SO much.

I'm hoping this will only be temporary.

[Saber]

It was a good episode, so on that merit I give it an 8 but damn I feel like I wasted my time with the passed seasons. Something like this should have been done a long time ago. There is so much water under the bridge that it just washed that bridge between Chlark out.
There has got to be gaps in Chloe’s memories because so much of her life was based on Clark. So, I think there is going to be a few loops holes in the next few episodes that will build that back up and either make it stronger or weaken the friendship. If not Chloe’s character will become useless in the series going forward.


I thought what was strange is Clark saying how everyone is gone because of his secret and yet when the FOS was rebuilt he didn’t bother to ask “Hey dad, what did you do with Lex, remember the bald headed sexy dude”. Ok I added sexy to it but still I’m surprised he would go and thank him for Chloe but not ask about Lex (that was a bit of duh moment)

Overall, a very good episode but it did leave me feeling a bit empty & sad about Chlark pasted relationship. BTW, the Chlark kids were to small in size, nice looking kids though.

[Super Maverick]

No Lois = 7

[OliviaB]

I think the episode showcased why Chlark is the heart of the show, and how much Clark will do for Chloe's safety in the end. I don't expect it to last at all and when Chloe regains her memory I expect her to smack him for making that decision for her.

[margroks]

I love that Clark resurrected the FOS on Chloe's behalf. That says he loves her very much once again. Yes, it was a big mistake to remove her memories of him both because that should have been Chloe's decision and because Clark needs her so much but he thought he was doing the right thing (big bonehead!) I do think BRainiac has orchestrated so much in order to get Clark to this point but I suspect he will learn he needs Chloe and needs her to know his secret soon enough. The show became infinitely more interesting when Chloe knew and it will be less interesting until she regains that knowledge. Lana only wanted to know so she could further manipulate CLark and Chleo used the knowledge selflessly and Clark needs a girl like that at his side. It will all be set right soon, I'm sure.

This was a critical ep and the lack of EDL reinforced the obvious: she is not that important; Chloe is the girl around whom these stories are centered this season and that's ok with me. I never miss Lana either and her only real purpose in returning should be for Clark to dump her decietful self permanently after discovering, I suspect, that she is still in league with Lex. Lana dragged the show down for seven years; her absense is always a delight for me.

[BIGBLUE1]

OK I WAS LIKED THE EPISODE. I WAS BLOWN-AWAY THO. i saw many things that could have been better but all in all i likedit its had everything i expected plus more im more exicted to talk about other things that are going to be happening but the episode itself was good 8 out of 10

[Bilza]

I'm going to give it a 9/10. Next week's episode will be an 11/10 lol ..cant wait!

wow! great episode. So sad to see Chloe lose the memory of clark's secret after everything that's happened. Is it really a good decision to wipe that memory out especially as she's been very helpful and protective of Clark all these years? Obviously Braniac was trying to use Chloe to get close to Davis as a "vessel"...so clark didn't wanna burden her but has he made things worse with that decision?

I absolutely love it when shows incorporate references to past continuity. I like how they brought up the young clark and Chloe scene. Chloe gave him his first kiss. I remember Clark in an episode in season 1 where he was talking about Chloe to Lana telling her how she (Chloe) gave him his first kiss and now they've portrayed that into a scene in this episode. I like the referal to previous seasons. Great writing..good continuity!

The ending was kinda weird. Was that Braniacs voice? Has he now taken over the fortress, ultimately now deceiving Clark. Jor El is now trapped under the grip of Braniac if I'm not mistaken. I guess Jor EL did warn that something dangerous might happen far worse than Clark realises. Jor El probably never thought it would affect him. Braniac has been playing them like a deck of cards. Any chance James Marsters might appear again this season?? He's one of my favourite characters. It did seems the voice of Braniac sounded alot like James Marsters?

Davis aka Doomsday I think will finally descend into pure darkness as Chloe slips away. It's funny how the whole story on smallville always use relationships or friendships that could lead to darkness like Clex, Lexana and now Chloe/Davis, etc. I like this idea which has kept the storyline interesting throughout the series. It's good they're not stretchng Davis downward spiral into darkness over 4 or 5 seasons. Afterall this creature has always existed inside him...he was born with it. He's not like someone as tragic as Lex Luthor's character.

Best line/scene at end:

Voice of Braniac: "Your son is destined to fail. Soon a new age will dawn on earth. An age of power and strength...and the fall of the house of El........

DOOMSDAY IS COMING!" (chilling)

I love that ending...reminds of when Clark said in "Oracle": "Zod is coming".

Clark has finally called Jor El "father". Reunited once again despite all the enmity over the years.

Finally...

next week's episode is gonna be one of the best of the entire series..very creepy with an angry Davis with jealous rage forcing Doomsday to invade the wedding. Doomsday looks like the same form as the creature in the film Alien. Clark and Lois are gonna kiss (that is falling in love) only for Lana to re-appear which could make things complicated. Exciting times ahead..cant wait!

[Demien]

8...it was a good episode but still not the best

[rambo5501]

I liked the episode, but no Lois, they did that on purpose.

[geminis]

Cedric, as ever, love your reviews. And the extra bits are nuggets of gold on top.
I was expecting not to like this episode as much because of Lois' absence. Surprise, surprise, I found I had to fight off the yawns to keep watching. Clark and Jor-El's interactions in the fortress were what redeemed the episode for me. I'm conflicted about Clark asking Jor-El to take away Chloe's memories of Krypton and Clark's abilities, but it will be interesting because now Lois and Chloe will be on the same playing field; neither of them know Clark's secret and Chloe has lost that slight edge over Lois by her knowing all about Clark.

The absolute best part for me hands down was Clark. He was why I still tuned in, and he didn't disappoint. Despite my sadness over his losing Chloe as a knowing confidant, it is in keeping with his protectiveness. And when he finally, deliberately and knowingly called Jor-El "Father"?!!!!!! I was glad I was snuggled up in a blanket, because it gave me chills! The Chloeiac attack of Sebastian in Identity and this ending are both show stoppers; the mind boggles at how they'll end Bride, especially in light of the awesome preview.

This episode wasn't exactly filler, but it has definitely left me with a hankering for next week. So many returns/reveals: Lana, Doomsday, and my fave, Lois.

[Chloe>All]

Solid episode. 8/10

I missed Lois, but she didn't need to be in this episode. I wish they'd have explained her absence, though.

Interesting development with Chloe no longer knowing Clark's secret. I wonder where they're going with that.

[hansioux]

First of all, I love Chloe. And although I know it is a bit irrational, I wish Clark ends up with Chloe. Alison Mack is just beautiful and talented, and she as Chloe is hard not to love. So I understand how people who love the character feels upset that Chloe's memory of Clark's powers were stripped away. Because Chloe and Clark was the only thing that really kept me watching for the past 2 seasons.

But, in all fairness, this episode was incredible. The story within the episode, within the arc of Doomsday is beautifully written. The continuity within the series is amazing. The special effect is simply out of this world. Albeit a lot of the special effects were just reuse of previous season, and replaced some green screen with Kryptonian Matrix, but the scene with Dark Thursday was amazing.

The execution was masterful, and the entire episode was intense and with a sense of purpose. Whoever wrote, directed, edited this episode deserves an award.

And as much as i LOVE Chloe and adore Alison Mack, I can understand why the show is heading this way. It is sad to see it happen, but that is exactly how we are supposed to feel. As for the anger part, I guess there are bound to be people who feel angry that we may never see Chlark or Chlois happen. Probably some would feel bitter and betrayed.

But in the end, as long as it is great story telling that doesn't deviate too much from the classical superman mythos, that's all anyone could want from Smallville. For that reason, all the Clana and Chlark or even Calicia fans must know in the end it will be Clark and Lois. Anyway they go they will alienate some fans, and if they went anyway other than Lois, they face to anger even larger group of superman followers.

This season they finally found their groove again. There's great writing/directing/editing/special effects. I have a feeling that Chloe will still play an important role, even if the result might be even more upsetting to those who love the character, but I am sure they will do her justice.

Even though Chloe might have forgotten Clark's powers, but Clark still remember the past 4 years, and she will forever be the best friend he's had no matter what happens.

[JDS2930]

I don't expect it to last at all and when Chloe regains her memory I expect her to smack him for making that decision for her.

I think that would be a decent pay-off to this plot-move. It would be very interesting to see the conflict/resolution involved with a falling-out between the two, should she regain her memories and thus feel very betrayed for Clark basically playing God and making that decision for her. Like others have started to point out, this probably is temporary and designed to keep us tuned in and guessing to how this plays out and gets resolved. Aren't we all on the edge of our seat now wondering that? :eek:

[stenochick]

I give the trailer for next week a 20 out of 10!

[Jaderoyale]

JAMES MARSTERS?!!?
*screams*


Erm yeah.. Haha.
I enjoyed it, but there was TOO much Chimmy and Chloomy if i'm honest. I REALLY felt sorry for Jimmy too. I did not want that.
I'm not too bothered Chloe forgot the secret, she'll find it out again, i'm sure of it.
Not the best. Not the worst.
7. Same as Toxic.

[last man of krypton]

I liked it. When I read the synopsis a couple of months ago, I was angry/disappointed that Clark would intentionally change someone's memories. That kind of power in the hands of this version of Clark Kent would scare me. But seeing the reasoning behind it, plus some tear-jerking acting from Mack made this a high point of the season for me.

[All about Clark]

I did not care for this episode. It definitely lacked a B and C plot. It was all one subject for too long a period. Yah, I got it she's loosing her memory, and I didn't need til 8:40 to get it. I thought it really lacked and I only gave it an 6.

Well we got 2 10's in a row, so a letdown was expected.

The only good parts for me were the ending, Clark realizing just what he gave up and that Jor-el and Clark have reconciled. And of course, the Braniac thing.

The previews for next week were amazing but shouldn't be part of one's scoring the ep.

[Mars Investigations]

Wow.

What an amazing episode...I never thought I'd enjoy one that robbed Chloe of her status as a secret-keeper, but when it's executed as well as this, I find it hard to care because I know that the writers will handle the fallout so perfectly.

It started off pretty slowly, but the first scene with Jimmy and Chloe was still a strong pull into the story. The slip into a memory, and then the memory's disintegration into Kryptonian code, was done really well (not just here, but throughout the episode). In fact, all of the memory sequences were fantastic, particularly the very first Chlark kiss and the following "run through Chloe's memories" sequence, which was extremely original and entertaining.

Development, and explanation, of the Chlavis chemistry was great. Possibly the strongest feature of the episode, which says a lot when its fellow plot threads are as awesome as they were.

Although I'm devastated that Chloe no longer remembers Clark's secret, I have the utmost confidence that the knowledge will be restored within due course and that the ride up until that point will be just as fantastically entertaining. Plus, Clark's speech at her side was very moving, so I can't even take a shot with bad dialogue.

Part of me wants to hate this episode because, superficially, it's taken a huge step backwards...but when you think of the character growth and quality leaps the show has taken even in this one episode, you can clearly see that it's actually taken many steps forward on every level.

Definitely a ten out of ten for me, and my favourite episode of Season 8 thus far.

[tyson08]

Not happy with Chloe forgetting, not happy at all.

[Fly by guy]

Gave it a 3. They dragged out the memory loss enough to plant corn in the rows. Was anyone excited to see k-symbols multiple times as she was going blank. They didn't drag it out in "Blank" with Clark. They used the time to RESTORE his memory. I guess the reverse was used for the SURPPRISE where Chloe no longer knows the secret. "shuddder shock"

My favorite part of the eppy was with Chloe and Clark in the fortress and he was being like the old Clark. Now that Chloe is secret free and soon to be married, it "SURPRISE " leaves the door open for more Clois time.

The eppy didn't a good backstory to keep the main story from being so stretched. Thank goodness we'll get Bride before the marathon hiatus.

[SparkleforSmallville]

I give it a 10, for the the return of the FOS and every scene in the FOS! Yay! It's back!
I thought they were going to have a James Marsters/Braniac reveal, like in Arrival.

I'm abit sad at Clark losing Chloe as a confidant, but I'm sure TPTB have a good plan. I think we may get another awesome scene of Chloe learning Clark's secret. Clark will get closer to Oliver, and Clark can confide in Lana for awhile. I'm very curious about Lana's arc.

The "Chloiac Cave" (formerly the "Lana Cave") was awesome! It shocked me and I laughed!

Continuity, when young Clark pointed up his "voyeur" telescope, just like teenage Clark did when Lana said " did you know you can see my house from here?" LOL

Finally, when Clark called Jor-El "Father" OMG! I wonder if it was as Epic for TW to say it, as it was Epic for us to hear it! Very Powerful!

[stenochick]

The "Chloiac Cave" (formerly the "Lana Cave") was awesome! It shocked me and I laughed!

What is that? I don't remember a cave.

[individuall]

OMG Cedric your review once again...Stupendous! :D

:lol:

[Mary Sullivan]

Awesome episode, Chlark was so wonderful!

I cried!!

[SparkleforSmallville]

What is that? I don't remember a cave.

The name coined for Lana's Isis lair. ( like the "Bat Cave" ) :lol:

Chloe was also hiding her "Chloiac Cave", with all of her research on people she had forgotten!

[Joelito]

Not the best but it was ok...cheese the "formation" of the fortress...

[ms.c.]

Lots of unexpected goodies in this one.

The continuity was great with past episodes and I loved seeing all the Chlark moments. Good editing with Chloe losing her memories and Doomsday showing up in her mind.

I got a bad feeling when the episode started off on Chimmy and I was relieved they weren't featured too much in the episode.

Sam Witwer/Dooms was great in all his scenes. I like the tension between him and TW/Clark and the romantic uneasiness with AM/Chloe.

Clark rebuilding the FOS should have been promoted more. And Clark calling Jorel "father" for the first time felt important.

I hate that Clark took Chloe's memories away. He had no right to do that even though he had noble intentions. I hope it will be fixed soon.

When Chlark were running through the DP and it all started falling away, I didn't know how they did that. It looked cool though.

Brainiac seems to have a big plan involving Chloe and Dooms. It was good to see the plot building more because it seemed like it might be dropped again for awhile.

A surprisingly good episode.

[Eurynome]

I hate what they did to Chloe! This has significantly reduced my opinion of the episode.

[JDS2930]

Although I'm devastated that Chloe no longer remembers Clark's secret, I have the utmost confidence that the knowledge will be restored within due course and that the ride up until that point will be just as fantastically entertaining. Plus, Clark's speech at her side was very moving, so I can't even take a shot with bad dialogue.

Part of me wants to hate this episode because, superficially, it's taken a huge step backwards...but when you think of the character growth and quality leaps the show has taken even in this one episode, you can clearly see that it's actually taken many steps forward on every level.

Well said....this is exactly what I'm hoping the case to be.

[reobeem]

They have done an epic job making this season look great. Hearing Jor-El and Clark talk they way they did made it feel like Superman. I'm kinda lost as to what Brainiac was doing. I know he needed to reform but why not leave Chloe and do what he did last season. The flashbacks were great and the one with young Chloe and young Clark was cute. It was also nice to see some old faces even if they were just pics. Clarks decison was a hard one but he would have regreted it either way. Now Brainiac has control of the fortress which is scary but it bring up a point. Jor-El and Dax-Ur built Brainiac and programed him so why wouldn't Jor-El not know how to destroy him. The preview looked sick, I'm so happy to see Doomsday in live action and looking great.

[stenochick]

The name coined for Lana's Isis lair. ( like the "Bat Cave" ) :lol:

Chloe was also hiding her "Chloiac Cave", with all of her research on people she had forgotten!

ohhhh....I get it now...

[songwriter09]

I must say this episode really surprised me. I didn't think this would be a great one, but because I am an avid smallville viewer and fan I of course watched it despite my preconceived notion. I am so glad that I did!! My favorite part by far was the reveal of BRAINIAC's control over the fortress. I think that will prove to be an amazing continuity marker of upcoming episodes. I love Alison Mack as an actress so I knew that she would do amazingly no matter the writing, but she was incredible, even better than I expected. The growing secrecy of Clark and Doomsday is really exciting! The season is not even half way finished yet and I'm already wanting season eight on DVD! I'm super excited about Bride next week!! YAY!!!!;)

[Spirit Detective]

This episode was incredible. I love the journey into Chloe's memories. The Clark and Jor-El scene was awesome. Clark has really matured since he first created the Fortress in Season 5.

The "Chloe Cave" at Isis was a nice nod to the Wall of Weird. It reminded me of Memento

[sithius]

Looking at the preview, I thought 'great another filler episode' and thought of episodes such as Sleeper from season 7.

But it was incredible. If AlMiles were in charge, they probably would have had it go something like this:

- Chloe starts to lose memory
- Chloe goes to Clark
- Clark nods and tells Chloe to look it up online
- Chloe looks it up online and finds information about a neurologist that has dealt with Kryptonian symbols before and someone who had a similar case when Brainiac infected them
- Clark nods and goes to the neurologist
- We find out that the neurologist used to work for Lex and that's why he knows about Kryptonian symbols. He gives Clark a remedy for Chloe
- Clark gives remedy to Chloe and her memories are restored and the Brainiac liquid evaporates
- Clark nods and smiles. Lana arrives back at the end, Clark smiles and they hug
- Credits


Instead we had a firm establishment by the writers that the days of Chloe saving Clark's ass are over. We also got to see the Jor'el/Clark relationship as it's meant to be, not the ridiculous mad-crazy AI that is AlMiles' Jor'el.

Definitely not a filler episode as I thought it would be.

Bravo PS3. You are really letting these writers (new or old) work their magic and at the same providing plenty of new ideas to the show that slot in perfectly with the Superman mythos.

Bring on season 9. :)

[MetroGirl06]

10/10. Seriously, I've never given out so many tens in a Smallville season before. But these people just keep the goodness coming. Its mind blowing!

[Tompouce]

Well, as I said in the favorites quotes, I am so HAPPY ! I give a 10, nothing else is better than the word "fiancé" in TW's mouth ! Yes ! Yes ! Yes ! I was so sure it would never happen...yep ! Youhou ! Yes, I know...it is so immature but I assume ! A dream came true, lalalala...Ok, ok I stop !:D

[Krypton935]

10!! this was freaking amazing! I absolutely loved it! There were so many intense moments and it just kept me on the edge of my seat. I loved it! Great Ep!

[Tompouce]

10!! this was freaking amazing! I absolutely loved it! There were so many intense moments and it just kept me on the edge of my seat. I loved it! Great Ep!
"INTENSE MOMENTS" : exactly, twice in this epi !:DOk, I take my medication and go to bed, I have to recover, it was so cuuuuute (fiancé...)!!!:p

[babyluthor]

Overall I liked it. I'll give it a 7 or an 8. The one thing that surprised me was when Clark told Jor-El to take away Chloe's knowledge of his secret. This might be good just for a little change in dynamic between the 2, but I hope she learns his secret again. Clark needs someone like her to know about it.

[shy175223]

overall I think she most likely remember EVERYTHING about Clark let alone to learn the secret again.

[SteveS]

I love that Clark resurrected the FOS on Chloe's behalf. That says he loves her very much once again. Yes, it was a big mistake to remove her memories of him both because that should have been Chloe's decision and because Clark needs her so much but he thought he was doing the right thing (big bonehead!) I do think BRainiac has orchestrated so much in order to get Clark to this point but I suspect he will learn he needs Chloe and needs her to know his secret soon enough. The show became infinitely more interesting when Chloe knew and it will be less interesting until she regains that knowledge. Lana only wanted to know so she could further manipulate CLark and Chleo used the knowledge selflessly and Clark needs a girl like that at his side. It will all be set right soon, I'm sure.

This was a critical ep and the lack of EDL reinforced the obvious: she is not that important; Chloe is the girl around whom these stories are centered this season and that's ok with me. I never miss Lana either and her only real purpose in returning should be for Clark to dump her decietful self permanently after discovering, I suspect, that she is still in league with Lex. Lana dragged the show down for seven years; her absense is always a delight for me.

Margroks, once again, you and I are in general agreement on several points. :)

[La Donna]

I just thought of two annoying thing. Why didn't Clark ask Jor-El if he knows what happened with Lex or what could have happened with Lex, and since PS3 have been doing so great with continuity and remembering characters even when their not around, then why not throw in one line during Abyss about Lois? It would have been easy. When Jimmy went to Clark for help, he could have told Clark that he was going to find a doctor, and he'll call Lois to meet him at the hospital. Or he could say Lois can't help her because she's out of town on assignment. Or Clark could say "Jimmy don't call Lois right now, because she's out of town and couldn't help anyways and we don't need to worry her yet". It would have taken two seconds and not taken anything away from the advancement. It's a bit surprising that they left out any mention of Lois, since so far PS3 have been beyond amazing with this type of thing.

[redRound]

I thought it was boring in parts. 7/10 I liked the scenes with Davis the most, SW is doing an amazing job.

[marikology]

I wasn't sold on the Clark/Jor-El interactions. What I didn't understand was whether their first conversation was Brainiac pretending to be Jor-El to make him bring Chloe to the fortress, or was the Fortress' infection the *result* of the black oil, I mean Brainiac infection coming out of Chloe? It seems like since the crystal was reprogrammed the (very cheesy) newly-formed Fortress would be fake.

They very rarely explain Lois' absence-- the monster truck rally mention was against the norm. Why the surprise?

Does anyone know if that was really JM or a soundalike? It was a damn good one, if so. Also, after the "Doomsday is coming!" announcement, the captioning continued with "Kal-El will die alone." FYI. I think this is appropriate, in the episode where Clark gives up his only confidante. They should have left this line in.

[HeartChakraBabe]

6/10. Parts of it were good, of course, and the acting was fabulous. I liked the Jor-El and Clark interaction and I loved the end scene and everything going on with Davis, but I thought the first half was kinda boring. And then of course there was the fact that Clark was an idiot and mind-raped Chloe. That lost the episode serious points (plus, I can't stand all the lovey-dovey Chloe/Jimmy stuff. Ick! Spare me!). In fact, they're lucky I didn't give it a 1, just because of that. What they had Clark do was purely atrocious, and I cannot say enough how pissed off I am about it. They better fix it, or they're going to lose this viewer. Anyway, I liked all the Chlark flashback kisses plus the mini-Chlark kiss and the fact that Chloe was desperate not to lose her memories of Clark and tried her hardest to hold on to them.

Things are getting dangerous with Brainiac (gotta love the Fortress ending!) and Doomsday (infatuated with Chloe. uh-oh, I smell Trouble!). So I'm just waiting to find out what happens there, and if it becomes necessary for Clark to re-reveal his secret to Chloe in order to protect her. *crosses fingers*

[La Donna]

I wasn't sold on the Clark/Jor-El interactions. What I didn't understand was whether their first conversation was Brainiac pretending to be Jor-El to make him bring Chloe to the fortress, or was the Fortress' infection the *result* of the black oil, I mean Brainiac infection coming out of Chloe? It seems like since the crystal was reprogrammed the (very cheesy) newly-formed Fortress would be fake.

They very rarely explain Lois' absence-- the monster truck rally mention was against the norm. Why the surprise?

Does anyone know if that was really JM or a soundalike? It was a damn good one, if so. Also, after the "Doomsday is coming!" announcement, the captioning continued with "Kal-El will die alone." FYI. I think this is appropriate, in the episode where Clark gives up his only confidante. They should have left this line in.

I strongly disagree. We saw the AI was not infected, and then became so once Brainiac took it over. To say they rarely explain Lois's absence, except in "prey", and that it is the norm is an error. They have new showrunners, and in the ONLY episode Lois was absent in before "Abyss" they mentioned her and told us where she was and why she wasn't there. This is the new season, with new show runners, and they have set a standard of remembering characters (not just Lois) and remembering arcs. It was odd for season 8 to have an episode that failed to mention a character who should have been involved in Chloe's emergency.

Chloe is not Clark's only confidante. She is his closest and most trusted friend, that's true, but not his only confidante. Especially since they've brought MM, Ollie, and hopefully soon a restored Jor-El. I'm 100% sure that Chloe regains her memories and her role as the most trusted confidante, but that doesn't mean Clark is alone unless he has Chloe. That's a little too "Chlark shipper" for me. If the show forgets their friendship, then the writers are destroying seven years of Chlark, and if they remember and appreciate the friendship, then they aren't really cementing the friendship, but instead foreshadowing romantic Chlark. While some may wish the show was about Clark and Chloe, it isn't. It's about Clark. Just as while some may wish it was about Lois and Clark, it isn't. It's about Clark.

[lana 9]

i give it a 6 i did not like chloe not known the secret that the end
lana come back next week yes!!!

[marikology]

To say they rarely explain Lois's absence, except in "prey", and that it is the norm is an error. They have new showrunners, and in the ONLY episode Lois was absent in before "Abyss" they mentioned her and told us where she was and why she wasn't there. This is the new season, with new show runners, and they have set a standard of remembering characters (not just Lois) and remembering arcs.

The "new showrunners" are actually old show writers. (Unless you mean that before they were in charge, the old showrunners actually prevented them from mentioning her, an argument that cannot be proven or disproven.) In any case, of the episodes without Lois that the four of them have written, none of them mention Lois' absence.
S4- Scare and Sacred (S&P), Transference (S&S)- no mention of Lois.

S5- Hidden (S&P). No mention of Lois. (All of S&S's episodes had Lois.)

S6- Promise (S&). Freak (S&S)- another Chloe-centric episode with no mention of Lois.

S7, she was in all of S&P and S&S' episodes. Feel free to reply and correct me if I have forgotten a line of dialogue somewhere. Unless of course, this post is too "Chlark shippy." (Wouldn't want to start a shipper war.)

Point being, the new showrunners do not seem to be dedicated to telling the audience where Lois is, so no mention of her in Abyss was, in fact, par for the course.

[Sue Denim]

I love how the three men of this episode all pulled for Chloe. She's truly a heroine, she's been through so much.

[RedKRules]

The only thing I liked about this episode was Chlavis and Chlark memories, the rest was mehhhhh ..... I give it a 5

[SalvadorianGirl]

Especially since they've brought MM, Ollie, and hopefully soon a restored Jor-El.

MM is more of a parental figure than a confident. Ollie pretty much told Chloe and Clark in no uncertain terms, that this whole alien thing is too much for him. Jor-El doesn't have the same impact and connection that Clark had with Chloe.

[kryptonian13]

i really loved this episode, it was very good. i specially liked that clark called Jor-EL "father". i really wasn't expecting that, so i actually gasped when he said that. i love how much clark has grown up. this season clark has said things(and done) that i never thougth I would hear in smallville.(EX. superman line in commited)He is sounding and acting more and more like superman.:)

[Routh]

The "new showrunners" are actually old show writers. (Unless you mean that before they were in charge, the old showrunners actually prevented them from mentioning her, an argument that cannot be proven or disproven.) In any case, of the episodes without Lois that the four of them have written, none of them mention Lois' absence.
S4- Scare and Sacred (S&P), Transference (S&S)- no mention of Lois.

S5- Hidden (S&P). No mention of Lois. (All of S&S's episodes had Lois.)

S6- Promise (S&). Freak (S&S)- another Chloe-centric episode with no mention of Lois.

S7, she was in all of S&P and S&S' episodes. Feel free to reply and correct me if I have forgotten a line of dialogue somewhere. Unless of course, this post is too "Chlark shippy." (Wouldn't want to start a shipper war.)

Point being, the new showrunners do not seem to be dedicated to telling the audience where Lois is, so no mention of her in Abyss was, in fact, par for the course.

Lois wasn't a series regular in season 4. Why would they make sure we knew where she was in every episode? Even still: She doesn't need to be mentioned in Scare. We know she left for college in Devoted. When she returns in Spell, Clark asks what she's doing back in Smallville, and that she should be at school. She says she's just here for Chloe birthday. She goes back to school after, obviously. Lois comes and goes back and forth from Met U to Smallville. They tell us this. They don't need to tell us in every episode, especially since she's not a series regular. And even then, Martha specifically states in Sacred that Clark should fill out his college applications since Lois isn't in town.

In Hidden, Lois is in Geneva/Europe. We know this from both Commencement and Arrival. We've been told. They don't need to tell us again and again that she's in Europe, even though in the next episode (Aqua) when she does appear, we are reminded again that that's where she was.

Promise I'll give you, even though in the next episode (Combat) we find out that she is coming back into town from Florida. So really, all you get is Freak.

But this is all pointless, anyway. They do let us know where Lois is, and take the time to do so (as recently as Prey, where they could've just NOT mentioned her, but used precious screentime to have Clark tell us she's in Texas).

[La Donna]

The "new showrunners" are actually old show writers. (Unless you mean that before they were in charge, the old showrunners actually prevented them from mentioning her, an argument that cannot be proven or disproven.) In any case, of the episodes without Lois that the four of them have written, none of them mention Lois' absence.
S4- Scare and Sacred (S&P), Transference (S&S)- no mention of Lois.

S5- Hidden (S&P). No mention of Lois. (All of S&S's episodes had Lois.)

S6- Promise (S&). Freak (S&S)- another Chloe-centric episode with no mention of Lois.

S7, she was in all of S&P and S&S' episodes. Feel free to reply and correct me if I have forgotten a line of dialogue somewhere. Unless of course, this post is too "Chlark shippy." (Wouldn't want to start a shipper war.)

Point being, the new showrunners do not seem to be dedicated to telling the audience where Lois is, so no mention of her in Abyss was, in fact, par for the course.

Yes, I meant before they were in charge. Just because they were the writers, it doesn't mean that they were in charge of arc and direction. Since season 8 is so different from the previous seasons, I think it's more than fair to say that they take continuity and character development a lot more serious than Al/Miles. And I don't think what you fee was too Chlarky, I probably phrased that wrong so I'm sorry.:) I sometimes start to respond to a specific person, and then switch to generalizations about the audience that aren't necessarily including specific people, and often I don't do a good job of transitioning. I meant that the idea of Chloe being Clark's only confidante, and that if she were gone that would leave Clark utterly alone, is an idea that I find too Chlarky. I'm not saying it's impossible, or that it can be proven wrong using the show, but I do feel that if that were the case, it would be a Chlark idea instead of a simple show concept. I really wasn't trying to snicker at your idea or demean it. I'm glad you're on here, I like this thread, and I can usually see pretty well where your coming from and the validity in some of your statements. I differ on most, but that's the fun of it;)



Lois wasn't a series regular in season 4. Why would they make sure we knew where she was in every episode? Even still: She doesn't need to be mentioned in Scare. We know she left for college in Devoted. When she returns in Spell, Clark asks what she's doing back in Smallville, and that she should be at school. She says she's just here for Chloe birthday. She goes back to school after, obviously. Lois comes and goes back and forth from Met U to Smallville. They tell us this. They don't need to tell us in every episode, especially since she's not a series regular. And even then, Martha specifically states in Sacred that Clark should fill out his college applications since Lois isn't in town.

In Hidden, Lois is in Geneva/Europe. We know this from both Commencement and Arrival. We've been told. They don't need to tell us again and again that she's in Europe, even though in the next episode (Aqua) when she does appear, we are reminded again that that's where she was.

Promise I'll give you, even though in the next episode (Combat) we find out that she is coming back into town from Florida. So really, all you get is Freak.

But this is all pointless, anyway. They do let us know where Lois is, and take the time to do so (as recently as Prey, where they could've just NOT mentioned her, but used precious screentime to have Clark tell us she's in Texas).

I agree. In season four and five she was more of a periphery character. A wink to the mythos and future, and used in some of the episodes, but absolutely more of a supporting cast member. It was still the Clark, Lex, Lana, and Chloe show, for the most part. If Chloe was gone for an entire episode, I would wonder where she was and when she would be back, and why she wasn't there. I would do that because she was a regular and had relationships with the other main cast, so it would be weird that she wasn't there. This applies to Lois in Season 8. She's part of the main cast, and it was weird that she wasn't there. Especially in this case. I expected a mention because of that, and because in Prey we were given a mention, and shown such continuity and remembrance in season 8. Lois has moved up in Smallville. I know not everyone likes this, but the fact is she is part of the main cast. It doesn't matter that her episode count is less than Chloe and Clark. We've seen she's important to this show, and we've heard the powers that be tell us over and over that this is the season for Lois to shine, and we'd be seeing a lot of Lois and Clark.

[chole_fan]

I really enjoyed this episode and am, in general, enjoying this season much more than the last. I LOVED the Fortress scene and Clark's interaction with Jor-El...so much closer to the way the movies portray their relationship. I am glad to finally see some great character development going on with Clark.

As fas a Chloe goes, I am still not sure how I feel. On one hand, I hate it...it just seems so sad that Chloe can no longer remember all the times she helped Clark, all the things they've done, etc... that is a lot of missing memories! And now that I think about it, Clark is going to have to watch what he says, ther are going to be so many things he can't bring up. If he keeps referencing things she has no memory of, she is going to get suspicious. Anyway, Clark has had her to confide in and now that is gone and he is going to have to shoulder this all alone (even though there is still Ollie). One the other hand, it was a sacrifice on Clark's part, putting her safety above his happiness. That shows some maturity and development towards becomikng Superman. Of course this is SV, so there is no reason to believe the memory loss is permanent. People loss their memories and regain them all the time on this show:p

One cute note, I was watching this episode with my niece (who is 4 and LOVES the superman movies - she was even Supergirl for halloween). She had been in the other room and walked in as Clark was talking to Jor-El in the fortress. Now keep in mind she has never seen Smallville before. She walks in and says "hey thats Superman..I've never seen this one before" and then sat down and was glued to the TV for the rest of the show. She never moved, never talked. I think SV has gained a new fan!

Anyway, overall I thought this was a strong episode and I really enjoyed it. I gave it a 9...just have to leave room in case a truly epic episode comes along later this season.

[rep4clark]

I give this episode a 4. personally I am glad that they took some of Choe's memories away. First, Chloe was a big help, but she ended up paying a heavy cost such as being infected by braniac and lets not forget that she actually killed someone. Sure she was trying to protect clark, But with all of Clark's powers he has never killed anyone. So Chloe losing her memory was a win, win, situation for her because she can now live a happy normal life and she wont have to live with the burden that she took someones life. By the way did anyone notice at the end of Abyss on how calm, happy, and relaxed Chloe seemed seated next to jimmy before she went out and spoke with davis. She truly seemed happy. Clark behaved correctly in doing what he did. In my opinion Chloe has helped Clark time and time again, now she has been given the ultimate reward, a chance at a knew life, to be married and have children and proser. Chloe deserves to have what other people take for granted.

[La Donna]

I give this episode a 4. personally I am glad that they took some of Choe's memories away. First, Chloe was a big help, but she ended up paying a heavy cost such as being infected by braniac and lets not forget that she actually killed someone. Sure she was trying to protect clark, But with all of Clark's powers he has never killed anyone. So Chloe losing her memory was a win, win, situation for her because she can now live a happy normal life and she wont have to live with the burden that she took someones life. By the way did anyone notice at the end of Abyss on how calm, happy, and relaxed Chloe seemed seated next to jimmy before she went out and spoke with davis. She truly seemed happy. Clark behaved correctly in doing what he did. In my opinion Chloe has helped Clark time and time again, now she has been given the ultimate reward, a chance at a knew life, to be married and have children and proser. Chloe deserves to have what other people take for granted.

Edit: 100th post! Sweet. It took a few months just to get to 30 or so, but since season 8 started it's just jumped right up there. I blame it all on the great season!! It may not help the neglect I've paid the rest of my life as I jump on the forums after Smallville's on, but it does have it's benefits....


AM is such a great actress, and the directing was great in this episode. She looked very happy, and like she didn't have a care in the world. It was nice. I know she's going to get her memories back in Legion (my opinion, anyways), and so I'm trying not to focus on all of the tremendous plot holes that would surely ensue or be ignored had this plot continued. I'd expect a lot of HUGE PROBLEMS would they continue this. Her whole entire life and view of the world has been shaped by Clark's secret keeper of the last few years. Taking all that away, she would have different ideas about what to do with her life, what she thinks of meteor freaks, her interest in the paranormal, her love of journalism, etc etc etc. If this plot continued I the only realistic Chloe we should see would be a season 3 to early season 4 Chloe. She obviously remembers Jimmy and times between season 4 up to now, however her path in life is shaped by her knowledge surrounding Clark's secret, so it would be a huge plot hole. However, it will only last for two episodes most (all of Bride, done by the end of Legion at the latest), so she won't have to really believably deal with it. Back on point, she was so relaxed and happy. Between Lois's portrayal of Feora last week, and Chloe's portrayal of her pre/post mind wipe this week, the acting is worth watching even if you had never seen the show before!

[ColdPlay3r]

meh

7

ending was crazy

[mjkbk]

Does anyone know if that was really JM or a soundalike? It was a damn good one, if so.



A JM fan contacted his manager, who indicated JM did indeed do the voiceover, as a favor. Which I assume means, gratis (thus, no credit given).

Nice gesture.

:)

[marikology]

They do let us know where Lois is, and take the time to do so (as recently as Prey, where they could've just NOT mentioned her, but used precious screentime to have Clark tell us she's in Texas).
I agree. I wasn't implying that Lois is always out-of-sight, out-of-mind. She does sometimes say where she's headed or where she's been. The list of episodes I listed were refuting the idea that PS3 are dedicated to acknowledging that she's missing in the actual episode where she's not there. Based on no such mentions in the ones they've penned, I don't believe this the case.

I think her mention in Prey made sense as it took place mostly at the DP, so her absence would be more obvious.


Yes, I meant before they were in charge. Just because they were the writers, it doesn't mean that they were in charge of arc and direction. Since season 8 is so different from the previous seasons, I think it's more than fair to say that they take continuity and character development a lot more serious than Al/Miles.
That's a fair opinion, I just don't share it, mostly because Al/Miles really were only figuratively TPTB for a while before they actually left.


And I don't think what you fee was too Chlarky, I probably phrased that wrong so I'm sorry. I sometimes start to respond to a specific person, and then switch to generalizations about the audience that aren't necessarily including specific people, and often I don't do a good job of transitioning. I meant that the idea of Chloe being Clark's only confidante, and that if she were gone that would leave Clark utterly alone, is an idea that I find too Chlarky.
I appreciate clarification of your tone. I too apologize if I was a bit snarky, cos I definitely picked up on the generalization. I guess MM could be a confidante, but Oliver quickly clarifed that he doesn't want to touch Clark's "that". (That sounds dirty!) IMO, Clark is alone, which is why it's hard for me to vilify him for his decision-- he's losing more than Chloe, to me. (and cos I'm pretty sure it'll come back to bite him in the butt.)


A JM fan contacted his manager, who indicated JM did indeed do the voiceover, as a favor. Which I assume means, gratis (thus, no credit given).

Nice gesture.
That? is really smoking cool.

[Lis]

Clark (voice coming from an open window): And look at that chair is sqeaky because of me! And the air would be fresher if only I had listened! And the floor, my God the floor! Brilliant! (and so Clarki, IMO :))
faceless Jimmy was about as symbolic as it comes - Good one, Cedric! :D

My dog went nuts when this happened because I was throwing confetti around all over my living room. Poor dog! :D
The BEST cliffhanger ever on the show! - The cliff was incredible! Absolutely unexpected to me. And because I wasn't spoiled reading comments before watching "Abyss", I was totally shocked. Excellent cliffhanger!
Your review manages to make me smile even when I am totally down. Well done! Thanks Cedric. :)




Although I was sad Chloe forgot about Clark's abilities, the Fortres scenes were absolutely amazing. I enjoyed "Abyss".

[Imzadia]

I'm going to have to watch it a couple more times before I think I'll be able to comment in more detail about "Abyss". I feel too emotional about Chloe's memory loss of Clark's 'secret' to have any Objectivity at this time. (Although I don't believe it's a Permanent situation.) I DO think it was a Stupendous episode, and I really Loved it. So, I gave it a 10/10. It seemed like such a simple storyline, but turned out to be such a Pivotal point in Clark's journey because of Everything that happened, IMO.

[stenochick]

I like the fact that there was only one plot and they could have longer scenes because of that. Some people say it was slow or boring, but I like that better. I am weird, I guess.

[Hopefulsuicide]

the episode was great, i loved the way she was running from memory to memory desperately trying to cling to them

it was great until chloe had her memories taken away... then it became an awful episode

[Routh]

Based on no such mentions in the ones they've penned, I don't believe this the case.

Except for the ones I listed. But it's okay, I'm used to people not acknowledging what's there.

[newbaggy]

I have to say that I have two scores for this episode: 5 for the episode excluding the "little Clark and Chloe scene", and minus several million for that scene alone!

Why so hard on little Chloe and Clark? Well, I happened to see a re-run of "Obscura" the day before watching "Abyss", so I saw the scene in which Clark tells Lana about the day he first met Chloe. When I saw "Abyss", I realised how much better it was when that meeting only existed in my imagination. Not only was the script itself not up to much, but the children! Quite simply, these were two of the worst performances I've seen from child actors in a long while, with no real hint of Chloe or Clark in their manner. The whole thing constituted now forms an appalling memory that I would like to have expunged from my mind.

As for the rest of the episode, there were some definite plus points: Clark's altered relationship with Jor-El; the "dissolving memory" effects; the cliffhanger with Brainiac infecting the Fortress of solitude. However, there were some notable lows. Can somebody give Aaron Ashmore some sort of medal or special bonus payment for the scene in which he first visits Clark at the farm to tell him something is wrong with Chloe. First off, he has to share the scene with Tom Welling when the latter appears content to simply "phone in" a performance (there are plenty of episodes that show how good he is at playing "awkward", but there are occasions - as in this episode - where TW seems to equate "awkward" with "wooden"). Then, poor Aaron get lumbered with the worst line of the episode: "As Chloe's future husband, I thought I could steer our ship through any storm in sickness and in health, but I just got hit with a major bridal wave."

I know that Smallville's writers sometimes confuse excessively convoluted mixed metaphors with wit, but honestly, nobody in the history of the world has ever talked like that (with the possible exception of the Australian author Kathy Lette - who loves making jokes about "tongue-fu" and "irritable vowel syndrome"). What is more, this is supposed to be the speech of a young man whose fiancee has apparently ceased to remember him - is that really what somebody in that situation would say? Actually, a major problem with the episode is that the writers clearly had a "tin ear" where the dialogue was concerned - most of it barely rated as serviceable, but some rang horribly false. Take Chloe describing her head as feeling like "a volleyball at the Summer Olympics". Apart from being a clumsy similie, who says "Summer Olympics"? Most people would simply say "Olympics" in casual speech - unless they are in Vancouver, and "the Olympics" are the Winter Games that are coming in 2010.

It may seem odd to make a fuss over one word, but it was indicative of a fundamental problem with this episode for me - a clumsily-written script that lacked the intelligence or insight to make the premise (and, fundamentally, the premise and basic plot were both sound) work effectively. This should have been a strong character piece, yet it seemed largely reliant on visual effects to give a sense that something terrible might be happening. At the end of the "Doctor Who" episode "Journey's End", The Doctor can only save his companion Donna by removing all memories of their time together and returining her to her mother and grandfather. Thanks to a good Russell T. Davies script, and strong performances by David Tennant, Catherine Tate, Jacqueling King and Bernard Cribbins, in the space of five minutes (with no effects), the audience gets to see that this as a great tragedy. By contrast, indifferent writing and inconsistent performances left me feeling that Chloe losing her memories (and particularly, losing her knowledge of Clark's secret) didn't really matter - and it should have done! Even if it had become little more that a "clip show", there was so much that could have been done in this episode to show what a genuine loss it was to Chloe to have those memories removed. Instead, all I got was a sense that it just becomes a slight inconvenience to Clark, and Chloe will carry on much as she did before. Therefore, in the end, I didn't care what happened to Chloe - which makes the episode pretty much a failure in my book.

[marikology]

Except for the ones I listed.
And you're still not getting my original point. Lois often says where she's been or where she's going. Other characters explaining why she's not there (like in Prey), rarely happens and has not happened before Prey in PS3 episodes.


But it's okay, I'm used to people not acknowledging what's there.

So am I. I ship Chlark, afterall. ;)

[dotsie23]

[QUOTE=Promise;4160265]HE SAID FATHER!!!

I loved when he said that too! made me a little weepy because Jonathan is long gone and Jor-El is here to help guide Clark now.

[Routh]

And you're still not getting my original point. Lois often says where she's been or where she's going. Other characters explaining why she's not there (like in Prey), rarely happens and has not happened before Prey in PS3 episodes.
You list Transference, Scare, and Sacred as an occurrences. Why? Lois was a guest character from Crusade-Devoted. She goes away to college. Why would they tell us where Lois is in every episode after she leaves for college? She's not a series regular. She's a guest character, and she LEFT. Do you see how little sense your making? And even still, your listing of Sacred is wrong. We are told where she went by Martha to Clark, so even when she wasn't a series regular, PS3 (in this case S&P) apparently do painstakingly decide they need to tell us where she went.

The same thing happens with your listing of Hidden. S&S tell us in Arrival where she's going, and S&S tell us in Aqua that she's back from where she went to.

And, once again, Prey, written by S&P.

I don't get the agenda. You're very hard-pressed to make it seem like they DON'T acknowledge where she is, despite the fact that they do. Do you think it makes her seem less important? Is that why it's being pushed?

[ginnyfan]

newbaggy Thank you for that post! The dialog was SO bad at times. Jimmy's scene with Clark, Chloe and Davis at the hospital, and Clark's first kiss had some majorly clunky dialog. I just laughed and enjoyed the episode anyway but... I agree with you there.

Cedric! Green Arrow shooting Clark in Odyssey was SO RANDOM! :rotfl: Thank you for the spoof of that. *snort*

And can Clark please, please, please stop blaming himself for EVERYTHING!


Opening scene. And its Chloe. With her wedding ring. And Jimmy. Breakfast in bed. *takes a shot* Ginnyfan, I'm trying. Believe me I'm trying.

:rotfl:

*hugs* Cedric



She finally admits that Brainiac is taking over. Here's my thing. Why wait to tell Clark this when you know he is the only person who can help you? This is your life we are talking about here. You can't keep something this horrible a secret. Her life affects Jimmy's life, and all her friends lives. Its not just "I" anymore when you are about to get married. Its "We". She was going to keep this to herself until she was dead. Its selfish, that's why I didn't find myself feeling this episode as much as I could have. Although this entire scene between she and Clark came close to making me feel for her. And it was one of the best scenes of the episodes.

Wow. I never thought about it that way. :(

What is the name for that... martyr complex? Selfishly unselfish. It would have been cool if Chloe... maybe anticipated that Brainiac was trying to use her against Clark.


Like he was about to commit suicide over seeing all the wedding gifts.

LOL! There was a generous amount of Chloe worship in this episode. :D


What was that note going to say? I hope it wasn't a love letter.

Poor Davis. I think it was a love letter.


Let me get this straight. She gets upset that Clark is trying to help her. And says that the reason why she didn't tell him was because he would help her. Thats basically the way I took it. Goodbye to any ounce of sympathy I had for her infection.

So Chloe shut Clark out and withheld the truth from him to protect him? Hmm... that sounds familiar. :\


Oh she doesn't remember his secret now? Oh yes, God yes. Just shut up Clark and stop trying to remind her.

Aw! I felt so sad for Clark at that moment.

I agree about the fortress. I would have loved to see him toss the blue crystal.


Fortress. Finally. Something worthwhile. It was great seeing this place again, and it was great hearing Terrance Stamp.

Yay! I love Jor-el. :D


A for effect though, but they looked so nervous.

I blame the director. He should have had them play an improv game and kiss 12 times before filming to get the jitters out. The hair was bad... the dialog was worse... but Clark fetching Chloe's fave book was so cute.


Davis offers to help her find her friends and recover her memory but she likes having amnesia and doesn't want him to help.

:rotfl:

Cedric you are scaring me with your violent enjoyment of the memory modification.


Did I just write that I liked a Chimmy scene? Wow I did. Stop talking to yourself Cedric.

:eek:

How drunk are you? Oh you'd say anything after a sexy memory modification. :(


"Thank you, father" :::chills::: I won't be able to wipe the grin off my face for a week after tonight!

Yay! *happy dance*


And that black goo is now inside the controls of the fortress. James Masters!! "Your son is destined to fail. Soon a new age will dawn on Earth. An age of power and strength and the fall of the House of El. Doomsday is coming."

The BEST cliffhanger ever on the show!! Wow, wow.

Oh YES! That black goo creeps me OUT. Whoever designed that spikey looking black goo did a great job.

Well Cedric you gritted your teeth and got drunk and still couldn't enjoy Chimmy. What more can a girl ask? In the words of Bonnie Raitt, "I can't make you love Chimmy if you don't. I can't make your heart feel something it won't. Here in the dark... in these final hours... Chimmy'll capture my heart. I'll feel the power but you won't... no you won't... and I can't make you love Chimmy... if you DON'T."

:rotfl:

I thought the episode kinda felt like filler the first time... but the second time it was good. I gave it a 9. I love the way this season is building. All the elements built up to this episode so nicely. I just can't wait to see how things develop from here.


And since its the last episode before hiatus, a special jammed pack review is in store.

I'll admit... I'm looking forward to your next review. :)

[marikology]

I don't get the agenda. You're very hard-pressed to make it seem like they DON'T acknowledge where she is, despite the fact that they do. Do you think it makes her seem less important? Is that why it's being pushed?
That's where your problem lies. I am not "hard-pressed" to acknowledge any such thing, as evidenced by my replies to you. I have no "agenda." Before you butted in, the original poster stated that she thinks PS3 in charge will now state where Lois is like they did in Prey, and no such explanation in Abyss was abnormal. I pointed out that I disagreed, because in the episodes they penned, (apart from Prey) they've never done so before. She acknowledged my reason for my opinion and we moved on. You, on the other hand, are trying to glean some ulterior motive from the discussion.

[Routh]

The vehement denial is amusing, but I'm done with this conversation.

[panthersquad]

Was very impressed by how good the episode was. But can't say I agree with the writers taking away Chloe's memories about Clark's powers and heritage. It just made a lot about her character obsolete now. She was really helpful to Clark, more so than before, when she found out about him in Season 4 and when he told her everything in Season 5. Hopefully, they will fix it now that it looks like Brainiac will be back by how the end of the episode. I think it was a good idea that Chloe knew everything about who Clark really was. If it wasn't for her, Kara would have never got her memories and powers back in Season 7. She was kinda like his sidekick like Pete was. And it also takes away from the close relationship that Clark had with her. Yeah there were risks but I think if Chloe had the choice she would not have wanted Clark to remove those memories. Let's hope she gets them back by the end of the season.

[dh1031]

Another disappointment for me, the writers continue to do so, but I continue to watch in hopes of things turning around. Everything from the forced interaction between Lois and Clark, Clark calling the AI in the fortress "father", and Clark's ignorance in having the AI not restore Chloe's memories of who Clark is. Oh well, I guess I'll keep watching and hope for a turn around.

[Darth Pipes]

I thought it was a great episode. Allison Mack was terrific (and looked great to boot) as we slowly see Chloe losing her memories. Once again, this episode shows the benefit of focusing on less characters. Basically, it shows how good this show is when Lois is not there. SW continues to be awesome as Davis and even Jimmy comes across as likeable. Thought those kids did a very good job as Chloe and Clark.

I thought seeing Clark and Jor-El work together was awesome though Brainiac might be the worst kind of villain to get rid of. Nothing keeps this guy down.

I understand why Clark wanted to free Chloe of the burden of his identity but it is absolutely wrong to take someone's memories without their permission. Chloe flat out told Clark that this gave her life purpose in helping people and Clark took that away from her. It also creates a bunch of other problems...one, doesn't think mean she doesn't remember the identitites of Ollie and the rest of the JLA? She was an important assest to them and Clark took that away. Also...shouldn't Chloe have large gaps in her memory or did Jor-El compensate for that?

I'm withholding final judgment on this though because I'm sure Chloe will regain her memory at some point. It might spell the doom (no pun intended) for the Clark/Chloe relationship because I can't imagine her being happy with Clark's actions.

I have to say, between the more pro-active Clark, the lack of Lana hanging over him, and the Doomsday storyline, Smallville has managed to do a great job putting this season together.

[Sue Denim]

"The only way I know how to protect you, is to let you go."

I'm not happy that Clark decided not to let Chloe keep her memories, but Clark believes he's doing the only thing that will protect her. It's very loving really, even if the consequences for both of them are gigantic.

I have to say, I enjoyed seeing Clark's smile again when he hugged Chloe at the end.

He really does want her to be happy, and I believe he thinks he's found a way to give her that, even if it makes him (me) miserable.

[Amylia]

i guess it is just hard for me to be disappointed in this shwo. i loved it all, and it is sad that chloe lost her clark good memories but oh well

[Sweetie]

Great episode.CK made the right decision about Chloe.She will focus on her own life amd be trully happy.Jor-El/Kal-El made peace.I'm glad is trusting his father now because he will need his advices about Doomsday that's for sure.Davis/Chloe's chemestry has a great
chemestry too bad he will turn out to be evil.

[Leopard1789]

Overall, absolutely loved it.
but i found a bit of a hole. How was the young clark able to superspeed so quickly. If you remember, it used to take him like ten minutes to get to metropolis.

And another thing, why is he back to wearing his uniform of red t-shirt, blue jacket lol. I thought we saw the last of them in 'Identity'.

Im curious now as to how Clark and Chloes relationship will be for now on, these past years they've been so close because of clarks secret being out in the open, so will they stay good friends without that anymore?

8.5/10

[Claffelson]

amazing im still having mixed feelings about chloe not knowing the secret but i dont think it will last anyways...im not to excited about lana coming back i want to see lois and clark and lana just puts that off cant wait for next week

[batfinx]

Another disappointment for me, the writers continue to do so, but I continue to watch in hopes of things turning around. Everything from the forced interaction between Lois and Clark, Clark calling the AI in the fortress "father", and Clark's ignorance in having the AI not restore Chloe's memories of who Clark is. Oh well, I guess I'll keep watching and hope for a turn around.

Dude, Lois was in your version of the episode? Would you send me a copy? :lol:

[Tompouce]

OMG, I have only just seen the Bride trailer, it is the best trailer I have ever seen from SV...Can't wait !!!

[disciples of zod]

i gave it a 9. i thought there would be more with chloe's memory loss, but oh well. other than that, it was absolutely fantastic.

i felt so bad for clark in the end. it was probably really hard for him to keep his secret to chloe again. DOOMSDAY IS COMING. ahhhh, that was amazing.

~K

[dimeo782002]

"The only way I know how to protect you, is to let you go."

I'm not happy that Clark decided not to let Chloe keep her memories, but Clark believes he's doing the only thing that will protect her. It's very loving really, even if the consequences for both of them are gigantic.

I have to say, I enjoyed seeing Clark's smile again when he hugged Chloe at the end.

He really does want her to be happy, and I believe he thinks he's found a way to give her that, even if it makes him (me) miserable.

ya know what sue you are right clark did it out of love....

but lets be honest about why PS3 did it ? and thats what has got us chalrkers upset ! why did ps3 do this?

we know clark loves chloe she is his best friend and confidonte but why clark did it and why ps3 did it is the problem.

ps3 want us to see clark did it out of love for his best friend but PS3 did it to push a and b together so chloe would not be diminsihing that relationship. sorry but it is true.


i get clark but i don't get PS3 and there justification of what they call mythos.no glasses, no secret identity... whats next superman running threw metropolis in a flannel shirt with a big S on it ?

no better yet just his office suit will do. and he just mind wipe everyone everytime he saves someone so they won't figure out he is superman and clark kent. the glasses have alwasy been silly but they have been there since day one of superman mythology who the hell are they to mess with the time line like this ? thats why i have no respect for the iconic relationship,because it is not mythos at all..... not to me. this is smallville an alternate univerese imo. no glases and lois knows clark and has lived in his home. lol ! it kills me.

[dh1031]

I'm a little behind here, what's PS3?

[ginnyfan]

I'm a little behind here, what's PS3?

Season Eight of Smallville is brought to you by Playstation Three...

Just kidding. It's the four producers of Smallville. Brian Peterson, Kelly Souders, Todd Slavkin, and Darren Swimmer. If you take the letters of their last names there's one P and 3 S's. PS3

[La Donna]

ya know what sue you are right clark did it out of love....

but lets be honest about why PS3 did it ? and thats what has got us chalrkers upset ! why did ps3 do this?

we know clark loves chloe she is his best friend and confidonte but why clark did it and why ps3 did it is the problem.

ps3 want us to see clark did it out of love for his best friend but PS3 did it to push a and b together so chloe would not be diminsihing that relationship. sorry but it is true.


i get clark but i don't get PS3 and there justification of what they call mythos.no glasses, no secret identity... whats next superman running threw metropolis in a flannel shirt with a big S on it ?

no better yet just his office suit will do. and he just mind wipe everyone everytime he saves someone so they won't figure out he is superman and clark kent. the glasses have alwasy been silly but they have been there since day one of superman mythology who the hell are they to mess with the time line like this ? thats why i have no respect for the iconic relationship,because it is not mythos at all..... not to me. this is smallville an alternate univerese imo. no glases and lois knows clark and has lived in his home. lol ! it kills me.

I strongly disagree. I've said repeatedly in this and other threads that I don't think Chloe will continue without those memories. While this is going to HIGHLY embarrass me should Legion roll around and the episodes that follow giving us a Chloe who continues to be out of the loop, I'm willing to risk that embarrassment on my total faith that she'll get the info back by the end of Legion.

But, even if PS3 decide that "hey let's revert Chloe back to season 4 Chloe and take away her whole purpose on this show", then I still don't think that you can say "they did it to shove Lois down our throats and try to make Lois look good". Not everything is a shipper war, and not every decision is made by someone in order to affect shipping. Perhaps they want Clark to struggle for awhile about the decision he made for Chloe, and use some serious plot time showing the effects it has on Chloe, and Clark deciding if he should change it or not (which would be a decision to mind wipe Chloe in order to show an emerging Superman, and would have nothing to do with Lois). Perhaps they want Chloe to regain a meteor power towards the end of the season, and with it either her memories will return, or Clark will enter into a whole new dynamic with Chloe in how to involve her and protect her without telling her his secret. Perhaps the show is going to have JO in on the secret down the road, and a time will come when something happens to Chloe and Jimmy witnesses Clark's involvement, and then we see JO trying to keep the secret from Chloe. In no way do any of these involve a Chloe mind wipe in order promote Lois. There is no systematic destruction of Chloe or Chlark in order to give us Lois or Clois. While having a hatred for Lois because of how much one loves Chloe would feel as though Chloe would have to be destroyed to ever see Clois, it doesn't mean PS3 feel the same way, and it has never been revealed on this show.

[dh1031]

Season Eight of Smallville is brought to you by Playstation Three...

Just kidding. It's the four producers of Smallville. Brian Peterson, Kelly Souders, Todd Slavkin, and Darren Swimmer. If you take the letters of their last names there's one P and 3 S's. PS3

Ah, makes sense!! Thanks much!! :)

[Leopard1789]

Perhaps the show is going to have JO in on the secret down the road, and a time will come when something happens to Chloe and Jimmy witnesses Clark's involvement, and then we see JO trying to keep the secret from Chloe.

oh i like the sound of that. But that might be a little weird as it would directly parallel wot happend in identity. would be very kwl tho :)

[Blugolds22]

Not too much exciting in this episode. I was disappointed. I do like that Chloe doesn't know about Clark's abilities anymore, though. It will be interesting to see what Lana thinks about Clark mind-wiping Chloe.

[Fallen One]

Cedric, as ever, love your reviews. And the extra bits are nuggets of gold on top. -Ann

Nuggets of gold. Thats a new one! Thanks Ann.



OMG Cedric your review once again...Stupendous! :D

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Oh you and your big fancy words, Kaitlyn. Thanks!


Your review manages to make me smile even when I am totally down. Well done! Thanks Cedric. :)<!-- / message -->

Thanks Lis.:D



Cedric! Green Arrow shooting Clark in Odyssey was SO RANDOM! :rotfl: Thank you for the spoof of that. *snort*

Oh I just had to spoof his desire to shoot people that don't know anything about Lex, the guy was a nutcase. Throwing in Chloe's wondrous ability to mediate was just something extra. They make a good team don't you think? And Clark is just.. sigh. I can do a entire spoof on just him.



LOL! There was a generous amount of Chloe worship in this episode. :D


Generous? Oh you kind soul. You are too nice.

This was one big "I love Chloe, no I love Chloe, no I'M the one who loves Chloe and I'll prove it!" episode. ***Barfs***

As for those gifts, I think Oliver and Clark bought all of them and just put other people's names on them. No way does Chloe and Jimmy have that many friends.



:rotfl:

Cedric you are scaring me with your violent enjoyment of the memory modification.

Enjoyed it? I LOVED IT! I've been watching the moment in the fortress scene where she forgets his secret in slow motion. Its even funnier that way!



Well Cedric you gritted your teeth and got drunk and still couldn't enjoy Chimmy. What more can a girl ask? In the words of Bonnie Raitt, "I can't make you love Chimmy if you don't. I can't make your heart feel something it won't. Here in the dark... in these final hours... Chimmy'll capture my heart. I'll feel the power but you won't... no you won't... and I can't make you love Chimmy... if you DON'T."

If it makes it better, I REALLY love Chimmy when its not on TV. That should count for something, right?



How drunk are you? Oh you'd say anything after a sexy memory modification. :(


Hey! Thats not true! Oh.. well, ok I guess it is true. But not really true in this case! I really did like that last Chimmy scene. But you're right.. Chloe could have standing over Jimmy with a sword and I still wouldn't have lost the smile on my face.

Thanks ginnyfan.

And thanks Joanne!

[rep4clark]

has everyone gone insane, do Chloe supporters choose to ignore that Chloe murdered a person. Sure this person Chloe muredered was a total scumbag, but Clark never with all his powers ever intentionally set out to murder somebody, and now chloe can live the rest of her life without having to remember that she killed somebody. Clark loves her and he did the right thing for her.

[ozman1227]

Okay i just got done watching it. I gave it a 7 because, A. No Lois, B. The FOS gets infected, and C. (the biggest of them all) Chloe no longers knows Clark's secret. I agree with the numerous people who said that knowing the secret brought them closer together. Also, a few people mentioned that since Chloe doesn't know Clark's secret she really has no point on the show. i completely agree. Besides Ollie, which they were never as close nor will they ever be as close as Clark and Chloe. She was the one that he could confide everything in. there were no secrets that he couldn't tell her. i hope this situation is only temporary. I mean i am a die-hard CLois fan for life, but Chloe was my favorite non-romantical character. I've seen every episode ever since the first season and while i'm glad her and clark didn't get together, i'm sad to see that we are back to secrets again.


Thank you very much, That is how i feel. I feel That Since the start Clark always had someone to talk to about his powers or problems with them, Mom and Dad, Pete, Chloe, Lana. They now have either removed them from the show or memory erased. I dont like the fact that they basically took a character and the relationship they took years to build and by years i mean couple of seasons and in 1 episode taken it all away. Now people will probally say well she cant know hes superman, But if i recall chloe wasnt in comic books, I really would like the series to have ended on a clark becomes superman and you see all the people that know his secret so like, You see pete reading a news paper and he smirks and like chloe and jimmy leaving metroplis to move somewhere else with there life and chloe see something and it makes her think like wow thats my best friend super man, But no, We have Clark without a friend to talk to, which i know it sounds like a rant but i dont think thats what the show needed or the character chloe needed. She has no use on the show anymore which makes me sad.


Now done with my Rant on How dumb that was, Onward. Now As for Braniac infecting the fortress. Awesome right there. As well of Clark Calling Jor-el father. So basically i liked the last 5 min of the episode and the 3 min of chloe clark flashbacks, Anyone else agree with me here?

[dimeo782002]

has everyone gone insane, do Chloe supporters choose to ignore that Chloe murdered a person. Sure this person Chloe muredered was a total scumbag, but Clark never with all his powers ever intentionally set out to murder somebody, and now chloe can live the rest of her life without having to remember that she killed somebody. Clark loves her and he did the right thing for her.

umm ok ... me personally have not forgotten she killed someone but i really feel that it was out ofher control i believe it was brainiac because the way she was talking right before she killed the guy. she was talking like a cold computer programpretty much the way milton fine aka brainiac would talk. not saying it's right . but lana killed someone too while under the possession of issabelle thorueu ( spelling ) so there fore they were not really responsible but i understand why clark did it. he did it out of love for his best friend because he thought it was the only way he could protect her.

alot of us chlarkers and chloe fans are upset as to why PS3 did it not why clark did it. but we all have a feeling this is all gonna blow up later anyway. some of us think she will get her memory back because it leaves way too many plot holes in the girls brain. but i don't think none of us are insane ... it is just a matter of opinion which everyone has a right to have .

[Serynarpc]

This was the best episode ever.

It had all of the OMG! moments of watching Chloe's memories being erased, Chloe only remembering Davis and Davis' moves at the end. It also had the horrible shock of Chloe not remembering about Clark- and Brainiac corrupting the Fortress! Definitely sets up for Doomsday.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

Playstation 3....lol!!! That is what I thought for a second when I first read PS3...lol

[svtwamedfan05]

Pretty good episode. Give it a 9

[Xanderman]

7/10. One of the better eps of the season thus far. I liked how they handled Chloe's memory loss in a dramatic way, with people/events being erased from her memories and all. Sort of reminded me of a Dr. Crusher episode of Star Trek:TNG in which everybody she knew seemed to be getting erased from existence one by one. (This was a very Star Trek-y type of episode.) I also liked the scene of young Chloe and Clark, cute stuff. Cuteness aside, I do have criticisms:

- No Lois? No mention of her either? (Unless I missed it) So Lois Lane can just disappear for an entire episode this season without any explanation? And conveniently enough, Lois wasn't in any of Chloe's memories. Clearly, Lois was never that important to her, just Clark. Neither were Chloe's parents/guardians significant enough to be remembered (or forgotten), seeing as we never saw any memories of them, either. I mean, did Chloe raise herself??

- Cheap scene recycling of an already lame special effect sequence for the "Fortress of Bad CG"s reconstruction

- Why couldn't Jor-El detect Brainiac? He/It seems to be capable of doing almost anything (like time travel), but I guess being able to spot his own creation is too much to ask.


Chloe's Mind Wipe/Alteration and her Ultimate Fate:

- Clearly Papa Jorel didn't just omit certain memories, he had to alter her memories/reprogram her mind completely otherwise she'd have serious mental problems after the procedure. The question is, with altered memories/experiences, can Chloe still be the same person she was? Since Jorel basically equals God, I suppose so.

- Will Chloe get her memories back? We all knew this non-mythos SV-only creation was never going to end up being a part of Clark's future as Superman, but it seemed like they were leading her down a path to a heroic death (sacrificing herself to heal/resurrect Clark), not a cliched/convenient memory loss. Memory loss isn't a very powerful or meaningful end for her character, which leads me to assume that she will either a) get her memories back later or b) re-learn the secret, and THEN die to save Clark. (Clearly since Chloe still has a connection with Davis, she still has a great importance and connection to Clark's fate.) Basically this way the show gets to play around with both--memory loss for a while, and then Chloe's ultimate sacrifice. At least this is how I hope it plays out, otherwise all that foreshadowing would have been for nothing and Chloe's character would have gotten a truly unsatisfying/meaningless end after years of being so important.

[jobookjunkie]

Aw hell, I hate Smallville. Seriously, I do. My emotional compass has turned into a fan, it was spinning that much during 'Abyss'.... I think Clark's decision was the right one, even though I feel like I've lost a friend, never mind Clark, and I'm not even a Chlarker. Very Superman-ly of him. (though I also have to mention..."Thank you...Father" *chills*) I'm curious to see how much of a change there will be in Chloe's character now that she has holes in her memory, but if I remember rightly the preview for season 8 has Chloe saying something like "Clark, there's something out there, and it can kill you" (as in Doomsday) so here's hoping she gets all fixed again.

I did have to laugh though, in the barn Chloe takes like 1 second to draw a very elaborate and coloured-in Kryptonian symbol (which incidentally looks like something outta that Transformers movie) and I thought the mini-Clark and mini-Chloe were cute. Plus the running through the memories thing was very good.

So having cried my eyes out over Chloe, the end of the episode had me going in the opposite emotional direction...I am of course referring to the 'Bride' trailer. Judging by the states I've been in during the last few episodes, I will be watching it with a warm blanket, large box of tissues, ice cream, some happy dance music and pillows on the floor in case I pass out from excitement.

See what I mean?? I hate this show. But only because I love it so damn much.

P.S. Cedric, I bow before your greatness, having first laughed my arse off (ClarkMan's guilt complex :lol:). Truly the force is strong with you :D

[KalEltheBoyscout]

10/10 - This episode is 100 times better than I expected it to be. It was the most selfless thing that Clark has ever done. He gave up Chloe knowing his secret for her safety. Some people don't like it, but I think that Clark did the right thing. Finally Jor-El and Clark finally have a father-son relationship and it was really sweet to see that happening. But OMG! Brainiac taking over the Fortress was so bad-a**. Doomsday is coming. Bring on "Bride".

[elise]

The only thing I didn't like about this episode - Chloe losing her memories of Clark! I really really hope she gets them back, I've liked Chloe so much more since she found out Clark's secret.
The mini-Chlark scene was so cute! As soon as the scene started I remebered in Obscura when Clark was telling Lana about his first kiss with Chloe. And Chloe running through her memories was great to. Looks like season 8 has pleanty of continuity - chloe's memories, the fever letter, lana's necklace, and next week the flower thing from tempest. Love it!

[KEGZilla]

I gave it a 9/10 because it was a good episode but I need some more Lois

[PhantomZone]

I don't know why so many people disliked this episode, IMO it was way better than say Committed, which I thought was kind of dumb. Chloe was great in her bff role of knowing Clark's secret, but it had to end sometime. She had a good run and isn't part of the Superman mythos, so I personally think it is better this way. It would be great though if they brought back James Marsters as the real Brainiac, although I don't know how they would write him in. He did a great job. I still think its a little too soon for Doomsday. Clark needs to become Superman first.

[dimeo782002]

I don't know why so many people disliked this episode, IMO it was way better than say Committed, which I thought was kind of dumb. Chloe was great in her bff role of knowing Clark's secret, but it had to end sometime. She had a good run and isn't part of the Superman mythos, so I personally think it is better this way. It would be great though if they brought back James Marsters as the real Brainiac, although I don't know how they would write him in. He did a great job. I still think its a little too soon for Doomsday. Clark needs to become Superman first.

some people dislike chloe not knowing clarks secret as per there right not too like what everyone else likes. yeah this is also smallville not all rules apply to mythos. i hate this standard because people constantly use it to say how chloe does not belong. but lois meeting clark before the dp is ok i guess. and clark not wearing glases is ok too but chloe is not okay :confused:

[jesslang]

im so mad that chole got her memories taken away chole is like clarks other half in helping him find things ..i hope she gets them back or at least has some memory of him beeing the hero

[e-µ-i]

I gave it 7/10.
I think that it's the worst episode of this season, but it's still good.
Love the ending with FOS, but also the fact that CK and Jor-el are closer. Finally.
I sure do hope Chloe will remember CK's secret somehow...

[tmchale1970]

i loved it great to see laura vandervoort.i hope she is in a smallville spin off.roll on season 9:)

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cant wait till clark and doomsday really kick each others ass.it will make clark and titans fight look like hand bags at 10 paces booyah

[blackcelebration]

Would have been a great episode had Chloe died but as she lived it was all kind off predictable!

Brainiac taking over Jor-El was cool but... 4/10

[SGuthrie27]

I had to give this episode 10/10, because it was one of the coolest Chloe-centric episodes, and had some amazing Chlark moments. It ratcheted up the threat level of Doomsday immensely, while also showing us that the Davis Bloome part of his personality still had so much goodness. The way they portrayed Chloe's memories was awesome, too, with all those objects disappearing, the backdrops being destroyed, etc... I didn't care for the fact that Clark took away Chloe's memories. In fact, I was mad for a couple of weeks following that debacle... But looking back, I'm willing to forgive and MOSTLY forget considering they gave Chloe back the recollection of Clark's powers. And that ending.... Whew! I LOVE "Abyss!"

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Supsfan]

I gave it a 3 out of 10

Unless somebody is a Chloe fan, the episode was rather pointless. Clark takes Brainiac out of Chloe, she gets reinfected 1 episode later. Clark gives Chloe a mindwipe(which I thought was stupid in the first place), Chloe gains her memories back 2 episodes later.

What exactly was the point of those 2 events anyways? I guess you could make the arguement well the FOS got built back up, but they could have found many other ways to figure a way to rebuild the fortress that would waste 40 minutes on Chloe

I always said I would judge Abyss depending on how much impact it had on the rest of the season, and after watching all 22 episodes, the answer is minimal, hence my vote of 3(and 2 of that for the Clark-Jor-EL scene)

[SGuthrie27]

While I can see your point about judging episodes based partially on how much of an impact they have on the season and the series as a whole, some of my favorite episodes I've ever seen have been ones that are more "one-shot" episodes. I mean, if you look at episodes like "Labyrinth" and "Apocalypse," in both cases, sure, Clark learned something, but pretty much everything else was just alternate-universe where nothing that happened actually happened, rendering it moot other than an as lessons for our hero. In the case of "Abyss," I loved it first and foremost as a Chloe episode, yes, but I also think it was heavily based on her relationship with the three male characters who were involved, the most important of which was Clark, seeing how protective he was of her, and how much of a risk he was willing to take to try and make her happy. I also loved all the ties to continuity and the memory sequences they went through. Yes, they ended up going back and undoing pretty much all the "major" things that occurred here, but that happens at least 4-5 times a season. I still found it to be a highly satisfying and fun episode that I'm sure I'll be rewatching several times when I buy the DVD set this fall. :D

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Exedore]

I gave it a 3 out of 10

Unless somebody is a Chloe fan, the episode was rather pointless. Clark takes Brainiac out of Chloe, she gets reinfected 1 episode later. Clark gives Chloe a mindwipe(which I thought was stupid in the first place), Chloe gains her memories back 2 episodes later.

What exactly was the point of those 2 events anyways? I guess you could make the arguement well the FOS got built back up, but they could have found many other ways to figure a way to rebuild the fortress that would waste 40 minutes on Chloe

I always said I would judge Abyss depending on how much impact it had on the rest of the season, and after watching all 22 episodes, the answer is minimal, hence my vote of 3(and 2 of that for the Clark-Jor-EL scene)

The problem is that they abandoned all their plans the moment S9 was greenlit. It's the same thing that happens every year from S5 on. They start the season in one direction and suddenly go in a completely direction the moment the next season is confirmed. Otherwise I'm sure this episode would have had much more of an impact on the season. Not that I liked Clark wiping out someone's memories. :\

[Supsfan]

While I can see your point about judging episodes based partially on how much of an impact they have on the season and the series as a whole, some of my favorite episodes I've ever seen have been ones that are more "one-shot" episodes. I mean, if you look at episodes like "Labyrinth" and "Apocalypse," in both cases, sure, Clark learned something, but pretty much everything else was just alternate-universe where nothing that happened actually happened, rendering it moot other than an as lessons for our hero. In the case of "Abyss," I loved it first and foremost as a Chloe episode, yes, but I also think it was heavily based on her relationship with the three male characters who were involved, the most important of which was Clark, seeing how protective he was of her, and how much of a risk he was willing to take to try and make her happy. I also loved all the ties to continuity and the memory sequences they went through. Yes, they ended up going back and undoing pretty much all the "major" things that occurred here, but that happens at least 4-5 times a season. I still found it to be a highly satisfying and fun episode that I'm sure I'll be rewatching several times when I buy the DVD set this fall. :D

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

I have no problem with that, as I said I can understand why somebody who enjoys the Chloe character might have enjoyed the episode, but I am guessing if they did a 40 minute "This is your Life Lois" episode, everybody but Lois fans would not find much entertainment value in it. I think any episode that shifts focus off Clark will get a very split reaction by the general fanbase dependant on character preference.

I personally think the episode was lacking a "B plot"(I would have did the Green Arrow and Lana stuff for instance this episode, giving more time for stuff in Bride) to keep the other viewers entertained.


The problem is that they abandoned all their plans the moment S9 was greenlit. It's the same thing that happens every year from S5 on. They start the season in one direction and suddenly go in a completely direction the moment the next season is confirmed. Otherwise I'm sure this episode would have had much more of an impact on the season. Not that I liked Clark wiping out someone's memories. :\

Yeah I am completely baffled what exactly the point of that was. The only thing I could think of is the producers wanted to give Chloe fans an out that she wasn't herself when she said "I do" to Jimmy the next episode. The memory wipe being completely ignored will go down as one of the many things forgotten on the series

[FanofTom]

What I'll remember from this episode : Clark calling Jor-El father for the first time.
I gave it an 8

[Nimkong]

This episode is awsome.My 2 favorite of the season.Liked the plot,how it was a chloe episode and the ending was awsome

[Detorio]

I'd rate this episode a solid 8.5
I liked it, especially the Chloe and Clark childhood scene, very nostalgic!
But but... Chloe :'(

Very good acting by Allison Mack!
Clark making a tough decision to relieve his closest ally and best friend of her burdens... It's not what I wanted but it had to be done :/

Plus the Clark + Jor-El scene
Miiiiiiiiiiint!
Called father for the first time! Kudos!
Terence Stamp is simply the PERFECT voice for Jor-El

Can't wait for more! :)