Is Gabriel/Sylar a villain?

[oldblackmagick]

I was just wondering because tho during the first two season this answer would be easy it has me scratching my head. In one hand I can see how he might always be evil in some form or another I also think that he has hope to be good. I think his love for his brother will have some affect but what do yall think?

[Ragius]

In this episode it makes you believe that he killed those people to take their powers so they couldn't hurt anyone else. But in the earlier seasons, why would he need to like kill that waitress that can retain lots of memory or the one with super hearing? They're not harmful.

So it's hard to tell. Maybe initially he wanted to take away dangerous powers but his hunger grew to just wanting all powers.

[warriorrenegade]

He's a serial killer. Plain and simple truth. No redemption for that sort of thing. He may have good intentions and could ultimately do good things, but it doesn't erase the murders by his hand. Atleast that's how I see him.

[Lawliet]

I would claim that Sylar is morally gray because nothing ever seems certain about him. I guess people will have to come to their own conclusions about him, because it really seems to be up to interpretation.

[Ginx]

I think that Sylar was confused and went a little crazy for a bit but finding out he had family changed him slightly. I think in the end, Peter will change Sylar for the better.

[Dezdmona]

I think that Sylar was confused and went a little crazy for a bit but finding out he had family changed him slightly. I think in the end, Peter will change Sylar for the better.
I sure hope so, cuz if he doesn't I'm afraid Sylar could be as dangerous as his Father. Ultimately, he'll have to choose.

[JW_102792]

Personally, I don't agree that he shouldn't have a chance at redemption. He's pretty much insane because of his power, it's messing with his mind making him want to kill people so he can know everything.

I've said it before, it's like blaming someone who is completely insane for killing someone. It's still their fault, but they couldn't necessarily control it. It's like the meteor freaks on Smallville, the powers mess with their mind and make them evil.

I believe he's an overall good guy, which if you see him as Gabriel, is obvious. He just has, like he said, an addiction to having more powers and knowing everything he can.

Obviously your opinion is your opinion, I just disagree. Sorry if I sounded "your opinion is wrong"-ish.

[kp1984]

Personally, I don't agree that he shouldn't have a chance at redemption. He's pretty much insane because of his power, it's messing with his mind making him want to kill people so he can know everything.

I've said it before, it's like blaming someone who is completely insane for killing someone. It's still their fault, but they couldn't necessarily control it. It's like the meteor freaks on Smallville, the powers mess with their mind and make them evil.

I believe he's an overall good guy, which if you see him as Gabriel, is obvious. He just has, like he said, an addiction to having more powers and knowing everything he can.

Obviously your opinion is your opinion, I just disagree. Sorry if I sounded "your opinion is wrong"-ish.

Got a point. Remind me of Lana from smallivlle. She was such a nice girl but once she had Clark powers she went evil. She actake everybody. Maybe some powers do make people evil. If I had superspeed i would always be temtped to run into a bank and grab thousands of dollars without anybody seeing me. If I had the strenght of 1000 men I would be temtped to actake people once I loose my temper. Sometime I'm glad I don't have powers.

[oldblackmagick]

^^^ I second that...i would kill people during rush hour...sometimes i think about doin it and i don't even have powers:Dlol but yeah thats why the world breaks in half...not eveyrone should have these abilities.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

Gabriel is vilain but its only HRG fault

[Dpyro]

For god sakes even when he didn't have any abilities he killed three people he beat one down with a rock, and one with a coffee mug that's pretty evil I don't like how the writers are trying to turn him good, and give us reasons why he's evil when they already made him do terrible things like kill mom. He didn't know she wasn't his real mom at the time so how do you explain that? Sylar is evil they should just keep it that way.

[JW_102792]

Well, he didn't kill his mother on purpose, and as far as the other two while he was powerless, his IA seems to not be a "power" exactly, because he was able to use it while he had the virus, so he still had the hunger for powers / knowing things.

I don't think it's his choice to be a villain, which is why he was changed in the future. He cared about his son, so he was willing to fight the hunger. He just needed a strong enough reason. I think fitting in with the Petrelli's was the start of it.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

I agree but first step to his selfcontrol do Angela because she akcept him as her son

[the highlander]

On the first season.. he asked for redemption....

[warriorrenegade]

[QUOTE=JW_102792;4149854]Well, he didn't kill his mother on purpose, and as far as the other two while he was powerless, his IA seems to not be a "power" exactly, because he was able to use it while he had the virus, so he still had the hunger for powers / knowing things.QUOTE]


So he's a natural born killer? That's even worse. This guy has killed a dozen or more people some with abilities and some without(molly's family). You can't just sweep those under the rug all because the guy has an addiction or an uncontrollable impulse or even parental issues... His murders aren't forgiveable or redeemable. Just because he helps his brothers out of a tight spot shouldn't erase his crimes. Thats all im saying.

[JW_102792]

I definitely agree, he probably doesn't deserve redemption. It's just it's something he can't really control, but he's trying to. I don't think the murders should just be ignored, but to a certain point it's not his fault. I'm not calling him a good guy, I just don't necessarily think he's a bad guy.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i dont think sylar will ever be good, he act good , he can even perform good acts...but the guy is evil

[HowardFilms]

Agreed. I bet something happens soon that makes him sink even lower than before, like when he went to his mom in season one.

[HumanoidCorvin]

He's misguided.

[Novak Fan]

I liked the whole Sylar can behave part until last episode. They showing us a "Gabriel" with remorse was unnecesary. And I don't think its' anybody fault that he's a murdered but his. Even when someone try to make you, YOU make the choices. He chose to kill, plain and simple.

[Lex'sLover]

I liked the whole Sylar can behave part until last episode. They showing us a "Gabriel" with remorse was unnecesary. And I don't think its' anybody fault that he's a murdered but his. Even when someone try to make you, YOU make the choices. He chose to kill, plain and simple.

That is true but.. I think what they were trying to show was that he was sent more over the edge.. cause he was betrayed.. and i guess it makes him for him to trust anyone.. cause he really got close to Elle and she was the reason he wanted to change cause she believed in him and liked him for who he was and he didnt feel that need to be 'Special' but it was all alie.. and i think his plan was to just stay away from the people with powers.. and she brought someone right to him and pretty much dangled the guy infront of him like a mouse and a snake. Of course he was going to snap. The hunger is too much.. epsecially when its right infront of him.. i think what he wanted to do was just stay away from the people with powers and slowly kill the hunger or at least tame it but.. he never really had the chance and I guess he felt like after what happened with Elle.. there really was no reason to.

I'm honestly not sure though about what I like.. wether i want him good or not. Cause I love Sylar as Sylar I mean.. him being bad is what made me fall inlove with his character.. but.. Th Gabriel Side of him.. I just.. I dont know.. I cant help loving that either. And i dont think im the only one who is stuck here.. Its hard.. they make it very hard to chose.

As for what I think the writers are going to do. I think the whole purpose of all this is to make him into a Hero. Simple as that. So whether i want him good or bad.. i think what they are ultimately trying to do.. is turn him good.

[Novak Fan]

I think what they were trying to show was that he was sent more over the edge.. cause he was betrayed.. and i guess it makes him for him to trust anyone.. cause he really got close to Elle and she was the reason he wanted to change cause she believed in him and liked him for who he was and he didnt feel that need to be 'Special' but it was all alie..


Still i don't see the need , because we saw along the way that there was other people beside Elle that honestly wanted to help him and he killed them or betrayed them: Mr. Suresh and Mohinder ie
And now he has Mama Petrelli trust and it seems that the feeling is mutual. At least that he hasn't changed at all and he's just acting the whole thing ;)
I loved last episode but still I think that that Sylar part was unnecessary, mostly because we have two seasons already like a background :\
I see it more on Elle's part, I liked that we know now that she really doesn't enjoy making other suffer and that she isn't a psychopath like they wanted to show us.

[Lex'sLover]

Well.. I think Mohinder and Suresh were completely different. Suresh did at first and then was like 'no .. you dont have a power.. bye' and that was that. And Mohinder thought he was someone else... and when he found out he was Sylar he didnt want to help him, he wanted to kill him.
Ya ... it does help Elle's character like you said.. and also creates a relationship between Sylar and Claire.. so maybe there are other reasons behind it other then just Sylar And showing why he is evil..

[Sweetie]

I think he will always struggle with his mad behavior.Even he tries to repress it the best that he can that doesn't mean he will able to stop it forever.He always be a villain deep down inside.

[Lex'sLover]

that is true... he can repress it but never get rid of that hunger.

[spicyblark]

Yeah, he'll crack if he keeps trying. Besides, I don't think they'll spin it so the worst villains are heroes and the best heroes are villains (aka Peter and Sylar etc. switch places).

[Lex'sLover]

I hope not

[Novak Fan]

Just because the GabriElle thing, they making me like goodSylar better. If it wasn't for that, I could chose badSylar anytime.

[Lex'sLover]

ya... I know what you mean... that relationship looks like it could just have so much potential though.. which makes things hard.