Doomsday: better defined in smallville than in the comics!

[jazzylg]

I really like the direction the writers have taken Doomsday. The story is a lot better defined than the one in the comics. The comics story was kind of convuluted, but smallville took pieces of that original, and gave it more of a definitive direction by making the creators of doomsday, the enemies of krypton. Simply brilliant. I loved the episode.

[Liquid-Prince]

Agreed.

[xrayvision]

I like the comics version better (since Doomsday is supposed to be a 100% monster), but do think the Smallville version though not nearly as menacing as the comics version is interesting and is much better than most of the ideas I've seen in seasons 5, 6 or 7.

[jazzylg]

The writers were panned at first(by myself as well) when the notion of bringing doomsday to tv was announced. I apologize to them for that, as the new leads on the show have taken all those negative comments, and crafted a well thought out, and intelligent characterization, that fits into a tv budget. That's why smallville has 8th, 9th, maybe 10th season legs (sorry heroes), because they always seem to find a way to suprise us. Great job!

[xrayvision]

I hope there's a season 9. Right now, Dawn Ostroff hasn't yet decided & neither has Tom Welling (whom without, there is no show). I'm very satisfied with the season so far.

[ClarkyBoy14]

^IA. It always seems like they find new ways to breathe fresh air in the show. And it seems like they've done the best at breathing that air this season.

I've never read any DD comics, just read about them, so I can't really comment on that. I do, however, like what they're doing with their DD so far though.

[jazzylg]

Check Superman/Doomsday:Hunter/Prey graphic novel, at a comic book specialty shop or ebay. Superman 75 (the death of superman issue) can also be found on ebay for a low price. These books will get you quickly up to speed, of just go to wikipedia online.

[xrayvision]

Also, don't forget Superman: The Man of Steel #17 (I need this one) where he first makes a cameo appearance and #18 (which I do have) where he makes his first full appearance. #18 is also the episode that officially started the Doomsday/Death of Superman storyline.

[Khyla]

The writers were panned at first [ ] when the notion of bringing doomsday to tv was announced. I apologize to them for that, as the new leads on the show have taken all those negative comments, and crafted a well thought out, and intelligent characterization, that fits into a tv budget. That's why smallville has 8th, 9th, maybe 10th season legs (sorry heroes), because they always seem to find a way to suprise us. Great job!

Ditto! :)

[Smallville6]

I agree! I love the Doomsday story in Smallville better than the comics!

[Smalvil1]

i liked the comics better but i admit that smallville is doing an okay jod with doomsday so far.

[kaam]

We haven't seen DD in action but its building up to be a great storyline.

What do you guys think of the Superman: Doomsday movie? (it was the animated movie) Does it do justice to the comics?

[migo]

I do like the question it brings about choice vs destiny. Doomsday and Kal-El came at the same time, and both chose to help people when raised by humans. Now we get to see if Doomsday's nature takes over.

[BULLITT]

Reading helps.

[jazzylg]

I've got to say again how epic this episode felt. The scenes with clark and kara were heart warming. I realy felt sorry for davis, as his fate was chosen for him. this is really cinematic stuff here. I never realized the new powers that be, would take it to such new heights. There's even room in the next season, for doomsday to be bound and launched into space,(like the comics) to banish him from earth, only for him to return as a full fledged monster to take on a fully powered superman. I hope Time/Warner is paying attention. Their 200 milion dollar superman epics could take notes from these guys, on how to make superman better!;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Check Superman/Doomsday:Hunter/Prey graphic novel, at a comic book specialty shop or ebay. Superman 75 (the death of superman issue) can also be found on ebay for a low price. These books will get you quickly up to speed, of just go to wikipedia online.

I usually rely on my library as the source for my comics, so I'll have to remember to check for those the next time I go, as well as the ones xray said.

And Wikipedia is my best friend. ;) :p

[xrayvision]

I've got to say again how epic this episode felt. The scenes with clark and kara were heart warming. I realy felt sorry for davis, as his fate was chosen for him. this is really cinematic stuff here. I never realized the new powers that be, would take it to such new heights. There's even room in the next season, for doomsday to be bound and launched into space,(like the comics) to banish him from earth, only for him to return as a full fledged monster to take on a fully powered superman. I hope Time/Warner is paying attention. Their 200 milion dollar superman epics could take notes from these guys, on how to make superman better!;)

I would love it if Hank Henshaw appeared as a Cyborg Clark (since having the Cyborg Superman now would be like pre-empting destiny) to launch Doomsday into space like he did in the comics. Unfortunately, the effects to have a realistic-looking Cyborg Clark would be way above the budget they have or would get.

I even came up with an awesome origin for him, which I included in my fanfic, Eradication:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72822

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I usually rely on my library as the source for my comics, so I'll have to remember to check for those the next time I go, as well as the ones xray said.

And Wikipedia is my best friend. ;) :p

I recently bought many of the issues that I read back in the day in comic stores since they're much cheaper now than they were back then (those things went up in price very fast).

[redeem147]

I don't know about better, but I like the Smallville twist. Instead of sending a baby into the wild and cloning it each time it dies to make it stronger over many generations, they seem to be doing the same thing by having Davis die over and over again, becoming stronger each time. I don't think either is particularly scientific, but it is a workable variation on the theme.

[kris10]

i do like smallville's twist on doomy. we all know he's a killer but to show and build him up like that is good for tv.

[Spirit Detective]

We haven't seen DD in action but its building up to be a great storyline.

What do you guys think of the Superman: Doomsday movie? (it was the animated movie) Does it do justice to the comics?

It does not. Doomsday's appearance is relatively brief.

[supermanover21]

I really like this direction, too.


They need to make a "Death of Superman" live-action movie. Not with Bryan Singer, though.

[HalJordan4184]

This Doomsday, has virtually no backstory, and has become a cliched good guy's decent into darkness story. It added no real depth to anything. It took a very rough basic concept from the comics, turned it on it's ear, and said look at how great we are at improving everthing.

[LionelLuthor]

Lets wait and see how it all works out.
We haven't see Doomsday yet after all, just Davis Bloome- a new character who they couldn't mess up any way.

[Chulance]

I honeslty think Sv ruined DD becasue one they gave him a human form and gave him emotions no matter what Sv's version 's DD had emotions at one time.He should already be immune to most forms of harm when he comes to earth.They gave DD emotions at once time which ruined him.He had a non biological relationship to Zod and Faora.I loved the ep but they ruined DD

[susangail]

This Doomsday, has virtually no back story, and has become a cliched good guy's decent into darkness story. It added no real depth to anything. It took a very rough basic concept from the comics, turned it on its ear, and said look at how great we are at improving everything.

All true. It's been said that all novels can be boiled down to three or four basic plots, too, but that hasn't stopped people from writing more, some of which are even good.

As with Lex Luthor, they're attempting to inject nuance into the character that wasn't there before. They've taken the embodiment of montrous evil and given it a likeable human face. I was one of those nay-sayers, but I really like where they're taking this.

[jazzylg]

I honeslty think Sv ruined DD becasue one they gave him a human form and gave him emotions no matter what Sv's version 's DD had emotions at one time.He should already be immune to most forms of harm when he comes to earth.They gave DD emotions at once time which ruined him.He had a non biological relationship to Zod and Faora.I loved the ep but they ruined DD

First, he has to die(like he did in the ep) to get stronger from it. Doomsday would not have been possible on tv without this direction. Look at heroes, with it's big budgets and corporate sponsors,even though I'm still a fan most critics and fans think it's tanking. The new powers that be are showing their intelligence, with great storytelling, sans a large budget.

[Odysseus]

I really like the direction the writers have taken Doomsday. The story is a lot better defined than the one in the comics. The comics story was kind of convuluted, but smallville took pieces of that original, and gave it more of a definitive direction by making the creators of doomsday, the enemies of krypton. Simply brilliant. I loved the episode.

Totally agree. In the comics, Doomsday has almost no characterization. When he first appeared, there wasn't even any origin story for him, it was only retroactively added on later. I have to admit, at first I was wondering how the heck TPTB were going to pull off having a human turn into Doomsday and make it plausible...well I've now been pleasantly surprised.

I actually do like this origin for Doomsday a lot. It gives the character new layers of characterization.

[HalJordan4184]

Totally agree. In the comics, Doomsday has almost no characterization. When he first appeared, there wasn't even any origin story for him, it was only retroactively added on later. I have to admit, at first I was wondering how the heck TPTB were going to pull off having a human turn into Doomsday and make it plausible...well I've now been pleasantly surprised.

I actually do like this origin for Doomsday a lot. It gives the character new layers of characterization.

Doomsday has wonderful characterization in the comics. We know why he is the way he is, what happened to him to make him that way, how he came to be, and all of that. We even got to see him evolve into something more than the monster, BECAUSE of Superman.

On SMallville, we have a cliche'd story, about a good guy, fighting his own decent into darkness, even though it's his destiny, and he can't fight it. There isn't much depth there at all.

[WalkinDude]

Actually, I don't think he's fighting it anymore. It looked like he was pleasantly surprised at the end of Bloodline, and he has a weird evil smile in the promo for Abyss.

Idk, looks that way though.

[Doomsday666]

Will this fighting ever end over DD. Jesus, everyone has their own opinions on the matter. alot like it ad some dont.

For me it really doesnt matter I like both exactly the same. SV version gave the origin a twist which would honestly on all levels make it easier in a way to understand if you never read the comic. Cause in all honestly I would have hated if they brought DD into SV for one or two episodes. I also understand were people are getting at with DD having emotion, but That makes good television. Then actually the show has suspense and cliffhangers that would gain and keep people wanting to see more.

Now with the comic version of the story, yeah it was cool on how they made him in all but would be too damn hard for people to fully understand what is going on. Cause in all respects DD, Like I stated before I do not want a wimpy ass version of superman to be ab;e to kill of DD in SV.

SV veruses Comic

Davis/Doomsday created by scientists vs Domsday created by scientists (OMG almost same)

DD 22 years old vs DD over hundreds of years old (Not the same but time I really cant give a care)

Zod and Faora creator vs (Forgot his name)dude in the comic (Not really the same but it livens up the whole aspect of it. Both where on Krypton, thats a positive)

DD attached to Kal-el's ship vs DD crashed on earth and locked away ( Both crashed on earth but doing the Total comic book version they would have had to have mentioned something about the Green Lantern corps. Which they have said nothing in SV)

Emotion vs no emotion ( Give a character no emotion in a tv show like this doesnt make good entertainment. In SV if a character is just ruthless and want to kill people, they end up killiing them off in one episode. I honestly dont want that to happen to DD.)

Human side Vs No human side ( Davis's character in SV s evolving into DD. Makes the story more interesting and gives depth to the SV version. And From the looks of it people on this forum and other places I read up on it are really into it and are wanting more)


The only thing left for SV is to make a badass looking DD. Now dont get me wrong but if anyone is thinking that you'll see the fullout version of DD in bride are kinda pushing it. I bet the only real time you'll see DD full will be the last few episodes.

Lastly, if anyone ever thought SV creators were going to follow the comic right to the letter then they need to get their head checked. SV only had the rights to the character of DD not the complete story. They only could make a adaption that would try to mirror the comic but had to have their own twist on it.

Thats enough ranting, my head hurts.

[Animation]

I like Doomsday much better in Smallville.

Lewis

[Skaterpen357]

I don't know about the rest of you, but Faora's "whatever kills you makes you stronger" line sent chills up my spine. I was once a naysayer as to DD's human side (Smallville: Hulk), and I wasn't sure how they were going to explain DD at all (from the looks of the alley, I initially thought there was some extraterrestrial "DD virus" that got into Bloom or something). But Faora really turned DD around for me. Not actually human = relief; promise of gradual development into DD = epic. This way, we get to see Davis create Doomsday, rather than just hearing about it. (I never read DD, so I don't know if it shows all the graphic details of DD's origin, but on SV, the only way to really build up Doomsday's potential is to show his origin onscreen, and present-day.)

And that "Davis" was growing right next to little baby Kal (and Clark relaunched himself to Earth with DD hiding in plain sight), is simply fun to think about.

The only question I have is how Zod and Faora got DD onto Clark's ship (assuming they were already in the PZ, which they would have been).

[Iluvgreen]

I definatly love the direction they have gone with doomsday.

[Hopefulsuicide]

i have serious problem here, because i am really enjoying the character of Davis, the progression of his monstrous side and even the fact he was created on krypton and has a dark purpose on earth (as it completely parallels Clark's destiny). He's a good actor and i think the story is going somewhere very interesting.

and all of this stays true until someone calls him doomsday, and i remember how truly awful it really is

zod created doomsday? doomsday looks like a human? doomsday was raised on earth by humans? doomsday is a paramedic? doomsday has a crush on Chloe? doomsday CRIES! about his blackouts?!!!!!!

HE'S NOT DOOMSDAY!

he is a new character on Smallville who they are calling doomsday and giving none of the origional atributes of doomsday too. he isn't the monster who was created on krypton and killed over and over again, being cloned each time and coming back better and better. he isn't the creature who wants nothing more than to destroy, to crush, to kill. he is someone else completely!

[Doomsday666]

i have serious problem here, because i am really enjoying the character of Davis, the progression of his monstrous side and even the fact he was created on krypton and has a dark purpose on earth (as it completely parallels Clark's destiny). He's a good actor and i think the story is going somewhere very interesting.

and all of this stays true until someone calls him doomsday, and i remember how truly awful it really is

zod created doomsday? doomsday looks like a human? doomsday was raised on earth by humans? doomsday is a paramedic? doomsday has a crush on Chloe? doomsday CRIES! about his blackouts?!!!!!!

HE'S NOT DOOMSDAY!

he is a new character on Smallville who they are calling doomsday and giving none of the origional atributes of doomsday too. he isn't the monster who was created on krypton and killed over and over again, being cloned each time and coming back better and better. he isn't the creature who wants nothing more than to destroy, to crush, to kill. he is someone else completely!
Its not really a problem that you like the SV version of him.

Like I stated before, SV version is giving depth to the character. The Whole package. Cause if they didnt he would be gone or killed of in one or two episodes and thats not entertaining or interesting at all.

[HalJordan4184]

Its not really a problem that you like the SV version of him.

Like I stated before, SV version is giving depth to the character. The Whole package. Cause if they didnt he would be gone or killed of in one or two episodes and thats not entertaining or interesting at all.

They aren't giving him depth though. He's got a cliche'd backstory, just done, so that Clark's enemy, and Clark himself, will have parallel journeys, with Clark coming out the good guy, and the other one coming out the bad guy, further showing us, we can't fight destiny, and no one really has a choice in anything. The grand theme of Smallville pretty much. Clark will be Superman, and Davis will be Doomsday, whether they like it or not, no matter how bad things get messed up, or how far off course their characters become.

[Chulance]

First, he has to die(like he did in the ep) to get stronger from it. Doomsday would not have been possible on tv without this direction. Look at heroes, with it's big budgets and corporate sponsors,even though I'm still a fan most critics and fans think it's tanking. The new powers that be are showing their intelligence, with great storytelling, sans a large budget.


It's still ruined even if he has self evolution at one point he had emotions and he's a human!He's not in alien form.They should have done it like the comics and still added twist.There's no depth they made him a guy who wants to help people and is slowly turning evil.I wish davis was like doomsday from the comics.Hopeful suicide is right all those things really messed up DD.This DD has barely anything to do with his comic book version.

[Doomsday666]

First off I respect the opinions you people give.

But When did smallville or any adaption of any comic put follow word for word? You people act like its the end of the world that they changed the character, for gods sakes its a tv show. If you dont like how it is played out why the hell are you even watching it? This is what gets me so frusterated with these kinds of bordes, the constant complaining.

I dont see you complaining over Brainiac, Lex, Zod or Bizarro . They changed a whole **** load of the character.

Dont get me wrong I love DD in the comic books but he got way too damn reptative and to me just being mindless killing machine gets boring after a while. In the SV universe that usually ends with the character being only in 1 to 3 episodes. SV needed to streach out the story for a whole season, so get over it.

[Hopefulsuicide]

with other characters there have been minor changes

with doomsday they have changed the most important aspects of his character

that's why there are more complaints, because what makes doomsday doomsday is not there

i could explain it in better words but this arguement is getting repetative. those who feel doomsday on smallville does not even resemble doomsday are simply unhappy that the name is being used. those that like the character are happy that doomsday has been changed. that's fine... neither opinions will change

personally i didn't find doomsday boring. as Hal said, there are so many cliched villain stories around at the moment. it's all about the villains inner termoil, the villains humanity, the villains doubts and lack of complete evil

what makes doomsday so refreshing is that he is not complicated in an emotional sense. he doesn't have a conscience, he doesn't have a human side, he doesnt have doubts or guilt. he simply destroys and kills everything he comes across.

and that makes him so much more frightening to me. with tormented villains there is always the chance their humanity will kick in and they won't do the really evils things they were planning. but with doomsday there is no chance of reasoning with him, there is no chance of doing anything to stop him except killing him, and even that is pretty much impossible. he is just a mindless monster and therefore terrifying

your not supposed to relate with him, your not supposed to understand him, feel for his descent into darkness and see how it could have happened to anyone if they had been put in that situation. your just supposed to go 'ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh'

so you can see why i might be a little annoyed at them turning the whole point of doomsday on it's head and making him exaclty the same kind of villain as they seem to be making everyone.

[Krypton935]

yeah smallville's version is awesome! i really like how they're taking him too!

[HalJordan4184]

I will say this, I've had plenty of complaints (most of which I've voiced) about how Smallville does things. I've stated my complaints as they come along. Whether it be character profiles that I don't like, or things of that nature. There are some people on here, that think I simply post, just because I want to complain about Smallville. That's not the point though. I post here, because I love Superman, and the supporting characters. It saddens me to no end, to here people, especially those on here, bash the comics and shows I grew up with, mostly without having watched them, and then tell me they had no depth or value anyway, and only Smallville got the character right.

Granted that doesn't always happen, but it does here, and with an increasingly alarming rate. They've even started changing things in the comics to be like Smallville, and it's slowly destroying what made Superman great. He's becomign an everyhero.

And this is applying to Doomsday now to. He's got the same origin now, relatively speaking, as most other supervillains. He started off nice enough, descends to evil, while trying to fight it for a bit, and then just gives in.

[Mars Investigations]

And this is applying to Doomsday now to. He's got the same origin now, relatively speaking, as most other supervillains. He started off nice enough, descends to evil, while trying to fight it for a bit, and then just gives in.

I think it's a lot deeper and more substantial than you're giving it credit for...

[justme_007]

i like the development of doomsday in smallville!!!

[Bane]

I don't see where the complaints are coming from about changes. It may be an opinion...or sometimes just people complaining for the sake of complaining. Either way, you can always expect changes to a character at some point. Take the Joker from "The Dark Knight" for instance...I remember reading about so many people hating the idea of him applying make-up, and as soon as the movie came out & was actually great, then they all began to say "I knew the idea was a good idea" but before it was a horrible idea. Give the Smallville writers before, they've done good by us for so many years, I so no reason to snap at them because Doomsday has been made to look human first. Remember what his mother said, he's still evolving, so give him time and he'll be much more similar to the comic interpretation. Either way, season eight has been great so far.

[Doomsday666]

I will say this, I've had plenty of complaints (most of which I've voiced) about how Smallville does things. I've stated my complaints as they come along. Whether it be character profiles that I don't like, or things of that nature. There are some people on here, that think I simply post, just because I want to complain about Smallville. That's not the point though. I post here, because I love Superman, and the supporting characters. It saddens me to no end, to here people, especially those on here, bash the comics and shows I grew up with, mostly without having watched them, and then tell me they had no depth or value anyway, and only Smallville got the character right.

Granted that doesn't always happen, but it does here, and with an increasingly alarming rate. They've even started changing things in the comics to be like Smallville, and it's slowly destroying what made Superman great. He's becomign an everyhero.

And this is applying to Doomsday now to. He's got the same origin now, relatively speaking, as most other supervillains. He started off nice enough, descends to evil, while trying to fight it for a bit, and then just gives in.
i SEE were you are getting at. I know what you mean by the comic books and I respect that. I too read the old and new superman comics, even though i'm only 18. I know how much they change them in any aspect of entertainment but we cannot do anything about them. We just have to watch and be amazed that this show isnt tanking like Hero's.

:confused:Hopefully you dont mean me has one of those people that say the comic book doomsday has no depth. I loved DD in the comics, he's my favorite villian in all of the DC villians which is closely followed by Parallax (Hal Jordan & Kyle Rayner version woot). But I guess the smallville version is one that you either like or dislike. Lets just say its different. But saying it totally ruin the character is kinda far fetched.

Now if it ends up being Davis turning into doomsday becuz of Jealous rage, then I draw the line. That would be one of the stupidest idea's ever. But from what it looks like it isnt. Its all based on him evolving into DD, too me thats okay I guess. But it is atleast interesting.

By the Way I forgot to tell you this but I love your avatar. Hal Jordan (Who is your avatar) & Kyle Rayner (Who isnt on it) are my favorites in the Green Lantern comic books. Green Lantern Comic, to me, are the best DC comics ever made. Bloody as hell, too.

[faz]

I understand a lot of the complaints here, and of course everyone here is entitled to their own opinion, but let's see where they take DD's story before we reach a verdict. It could end up that he eventually is simply a mindless monster with NO human form and that's simply a part of his evolution. His "human" form could just be a temporary thing. As I recall (it's been a while since I've read Hunter/Prey) but DD began as a sentient being that was killed over and over again and turned into a monster, though he was an infant and didn't develop into an emotional, good-hearted, human-looking person before these experiments took place. But nevertheless, it's still an interesting twist.

All that being said, I was one of the many severely pissed off fans after they announced their take on Doomsday, and I am very pleased to say that I was totally incorrect and I'm really enjoying SV's take on him. That may change, but so far it's looking pretty damn good to me. And the show's DD isn't really all that different from the one in the comics except they gave him a more human element. And let's be honest, they had to do something involving a person's battle with his inner evil, Lex is no longer there to play that role. And if the DD from the comics showed up, Clark wouldn't stand a chance, he would be pulverized. They've got to start the character somewhere and still make him manageable for a CK who isn't yet Superman.

[Bane]

This interpretation is very close to the comics, to be honest. Doomsday's greatest power is that he can never die, and with each death he becomes stronger. They pulled that right out of the comics. This is all part of his regrowth. He's been broken down already, and now that he knows the truth behind his origins, he's being rebuilt into Doomsday.

[Kevin24]

How about people give it time to see where the story is going first. People are always jumping to conclusions. One thing happens that they don't like and they jump all over it.

Doomsday fits with the Smallville storyline. I still can't believe people still expect Smallville to follow the comics word for word still. They follow the comics but with a Smallville twist. Some people like it and some people don't that's just how it is.

My favorite football the St. Louis Rams suck but that's just how it is. Sometimes things go your way and sometimes they don't.

[Odysseus]

Doomsday has wonderful characterization in the comics. We know why he is the way he is, what happened to him to make him that way, how he came to be, and all of that. We even got to see him evolve into something more than the monster, BECAUSE of Superman.

On SMallville, we have a cliche'd story, about a good guy, fighting his own decent into darkness, even though it's his destiny, and he can't fight it. There isn't much depth there at all.

Wonderful? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on this one. In the comics, DD is little more than a hulking monster. He was created specifically for the "Death and Life of Superman" arc...but after that was over, it's felt like the writers don't really know what to do with him (at least IMO).

I think bringing him into Smallville, this route was the best, because it would be kinda odd for DD to just pop up all of a sudden the way he did in the comics, have a 2-minute reign of terror, and then be killed by Clark.

The way Smallville is doing it actually makes me feel for the character. I actually do pity Davis Bloome. It is definitely a tragic story. Like Lex, we know how it will end...with one crucial difference: Lex, in the end, CHOOSES evil. DD doesn't have a choice. I think there's a LOT of emotional depth to this type of story.

Personally I think the origin in the comics is much more cliche: hulking monster suddenly (and literally) pops out of the ground after being imprisoned for centuries and goes on a rampage. Yes, I know he was created in space...but so was SV's version of DD.

[HalJordan4184]

Wonderful? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on this one. In the comics, DD is little more than a hulking monster. He was created specifically for the "Death and Life of Superman" arc...but after that was over, it's felt like the writers don't really know what to do with him (at least IMO).

I think bringing him into Smallville, this route was the best, because it would be kinda odd for DD to just pop up all of a sudden the way he did in the comics, have a 2-minute reign of terror, and then be killed by Clark.

The way Smallville is doing it actually makes me feel for the character. I actually do pity Davis Bloome. It is definitely a tragic story. Like Lex, we know how it will end...with one crucial difference: Lex, in the end, CHOOSES evil. DD doesn't have a choice. I think there's a LOT of emotional depth to this type of story.

Personally I think the origin in the comics is much more cliche: hulking monster suddenly (and literally) pops out of the ground after being imprisoned for centuries and goes on a rampage. Yes, I know he was created in space...but so was SV's version of DD.

The point of Doomsday though, is not to be a tragic, pitied character. Doomsday is supposed to be just a hulking monster, who shows up one day, kills Superman, and is gone the next. If anything, that's a greater echoing of real life, than anything else they do in the comics. Superman didn't expect to go around that day, and encounter the being that would kill him. It's the ultimate, it could even happen to Superman story. He was literally, out, doing what he does everyday, when out of the blue, he gets killed, and that's seemingly that.

Now, they've even destroyed that, and made into Clark is partly responsible for turning Davis into the monster that eventually kills him. THere is no real depth to Smallville at all. It's cliche after cliche, and the usual TV, everything has to fit together, and be closely tied together, or it's in no way realistic or enjoyable. Unforrtuantely, it's become a joke. Before he's Superman, Clark has managed to meet, just about anyone, and everyone that's supposed to be important to Superman's entire career, and somehow, he's not even supposed to be close to Superman, and this is exactly how Clark had to have developed before he could be Superman. It's just so over the top.

[TheLightOfKrypton]

I was a little skeptical at first about the whole thing, but then I decided I would give it a chance. Davis wasn't really growing on me, he came off as just another guy to me, but then I watched Prey and he caught my interest, but I was still skeptical as to how it would be done? Like many, I asked how can be Doomsday be human with motions, then Faora came on the scene and she answered the whole creation/evolution of him. And I really liked it. It really sounded cool, the only problem I saw, as others have as well, is how did Zod and Faora get Doomsday on there if they were in the Phantom Zone and Clark's ship was rocketing off as Krypton was at its last breath. The parallel between hero and villain is the main theme and it's interesting how Clark and Doomsday were paralleled. Similar to Clark and Lex's beginning, but the ending will be different.

[magoo]

I haven't got time to read the entire thread to find out but does anyone know why it took Faora's stabbing for Bloom to become invulnerable??

Not sure if i missed something or if the show will explain in the future...

Thanks.

[Hopefulsuicide]

the thing that saddens me most is that the writers didn't have the guts to just create a new villain

davis bloome is an interesting character. why give him the name of doomsday?

what brings out the anger in me is that they obviously only used the name of Doomsday as a gimmick, as a way of drawing in a bigger audience. instead of pushing to promote a new character, who could very much hold his own, they just stuck an old villains name on him and put pits of that villain onto their character

but i guess that's the problem with a show based on comics, it can never be as truly inventive as a show that was created on it's own, as they are constantly trying to pull out things from the comics. i do understand the creative frustration for them, as they want to do new things, but they have to do it in the right way!

[jasmin28]

i reckon "bride" is gonna be sweet... sam witwer isnt too bad looking either