Lois got a raise without asking any questions?

[luvinChlark]

I didn't get that part. Lois "passes out" and wakes up to hear from Tess that she got a raise without asking any questions. She is a reporter, I would think she would want to know why. :\

[DontCha]

heck i wouldnt argue with it, more money..i dont care how I got the raise just gimme gimmie!

[baltazor]

She has a high opinion of herself and her journalistic skills so she thought the raise was well deserved.

[old guy]

Lois has never lacked for self confidence. I suspect she has an inflated opinion of her skills and abilities (she obviously considers herself as well qualified as a senior reporter to taken on the self-appointed role of showing Clark "the ropes"), so it wouldn't surprise me if she actually believes that Tess finally recognized her "superior journalistic instincts".

[Hippolyta]

heck i wouldnt argue with it, more money..i dont care how I got the raise just gimme gimmie!

I agree! Take the raise, and don't ask any questions! Who is going to second guess more money?

[luvinChlark]

I get that it's something you really don't want to ask questions about because it's a more money, who doesn't want that? ;) But since it was Tess that gave her the raise I guess I thought Lois would ask why. I mean, Tess and Lois butt heads a lot so I'm sure Lois always assumed Tess never appreciated her enough to even consider getting a raise. Once she does she thinks it's because of her,but not something that happened when she "passed out."
I guess I would find that odd.

[Guidron]

I think it's totally believable. If my boss called me into his office and told me I was getting a raise, I wouldn't be asking why, even IF we didn't really get along.

[tyson08]

She got the raise because Tess thinks she has kryptonian knowledge and Tess is trying to get on her good side, correct?

[Hippolyta]

She got the raise because Tess thinks she has kryptonian knowledge and Tess is trying to get on her good side, correct?

Yeah, I think thats why. I can't think of any other reason she'd give her a raise unless she's now afraid of her?

[FinnHarp]

i know lois should've probably questioned it and all that but her delivery of the "because I'm me, hello" was just priceless. :rotfl:

[RedKRules]

She got a rise because of Faora, not because of her Journalism skills .....

[Hippolyta]

She got a rise because of Faora, not because of her Journalism skills .....

Yeah, but Lois is going to think its because of her journalism skills.

[Kevin24]

lol, I don't know why anyone would question getting a pay raise. It would actually be a stupid thing to do to ask why you got a raise. The answer is obvious your boss likes what your doing and thought you deserved a raise. If you ask why I'm sure your boss would second guess giving you that raise since you obviously lack confidence in your ability if you question the raise.

[individuall]

Well she's been working at the DP for about a year has brought in front page stories via "Plastique"...She broke the story on the serial killer "Toxic"....Her line in 'Toxic' about Tess being too busy printing her stories to fire her...Also her story on Sabatstan in 'Identity', though I'm not sure if she wrote it or not...But she was working on it..Going under cover and what not... So I don't know why she would question it...She's been doing her job...Very well IMO... Though she did sound a bit surprised at first LOL...And ITA FinnHarp the way she delivered that line was priceless she even did the neck sway it was classic :lol:

[RedKRules]

Yeah, but Lois is going to think its because of her journalism skills.

But it doesn´t make it believeble .... at least not for me .... but hey that is JMO!!

[Kalista]

Considering the nature of her relationship with Tess, she should have been interested in why she received the raise.

[DontCha]

Lois willingly went on a date with one of Tess' meteor freaks she didnt ask any questions about that, but then later we saw her true motives.

just take that into consideration

[Jade4813]

I don't know. I do think, however, that even if Lois wondered about the raise, she'd hardly confess as much to Clark. ;)

[Sweetie]

i know lois should've probably questioned it and all that but her delivery of the "because I'm me, hello" was just priceless. :rotfl:


Yeah!She sounded like a teenager...hilarious :lol:

Got a raise the other week,didn't ask any questions and get out of there as fast as I could(in case my boss would have changed his mind):D

But,in Lois's case,she could have wondered about it off screen though.But,in front of Clark,she always likes to show off.I'm sure you have noticed it before ;)

[borednow]

Last time I got a raise I was happy and smiled... Lois has been according to her and Tess bringing in the stories so I don't see why she wouldn't get a raise..

[Superboy2]

I work at Mcds, and my boss is worse than Tess(minus the creating an army) and with what happened today was bull. I got into an argument with two managers. Managers defend each other, whether its they are right or wrong.. Sorry but I had a bad day at work. They blame for half the crap, and managers don't ever take blame. When I have kids, I'm, gonna tell them not to work for fast food.

[Clark-Lois]

I think Lois is investigating the whole Lex/Tess thing so she is keeping everything to herself.

[JNottle]

Clark knew that Tess had alteria-motives for it so it was funny.

Lois looked confused at first but then used a funny comment like she normally does.

If it was me, I wouldn't question the raise.

[zHeN_zHeN]

'Cause she's Lois! Hello? :rotfl:

Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer, right? Yup, that's what Tess is doing.

That, and Tess doesn't want to get her a** handed to her by Faora, just in case she decides to make another impromptu appearance! :p

The look on Tess's face after Faora left... ohh, she looked utterly terrified! It was awesome! :D

[SteveS]

"Hello..." lois is light in the loafers and not of keen intellect, she will take anything given to her, the easy is her way. No second thoughts or in-depth reflection is a part of who she is. Maybe she thinks Tess gave her the raise because she is 'lois Lane."

[miks]

Because she's Lois Lane. it doesn't matter why she got the raise, all that matters is she's Lois freaking Lane, Icon of ICONOSITY doesn't have to make sense.:rolleyes:

[Bizarrolover]

I wouldn't complain if I'm given a raise, even if I'm not given an explanation. I assume it's because I did something right. After all, Lois works at the world's biggest newspaper. They are supposed to know what they're doing, aren't they?

[miks]

But she didn't. She knew it had something to do with her being knocked out, right? Why not be the "investigative reporter" that she is and find out what happened?

[Kalista]

But she didn't. She knew it had something to do with her being knocked out, right? Why not be the "investigative reporter" that she is and find out what happened?

Well, at least the copy boy, Clark recognized that something wasn't quite right. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE his response.

[Bizarrolover]

She was surprised by the raise, that's why she went directly to share the news with Clark. Maybe Lois will investigate this in the future, who knows?

[miks]

I can't remember his response, what was it?

[DontCha]

"Hello..." lois is light in the loafers and not of keen intellect, she will take anything given to her, the easy is her way. No second thoughts or in-depth reflection is a part of who she is. Maybe she thinks Tess gave her the raise because she is 'lois Lane."


Right, thats why she went blindly on a date with someone she didnt even know. With absolutely NO second thoughts what so ever.

no wait, she did her research on him and knew exactly who he was before she even went out with him

are we even watching the same show here?:rolleyes:

Lois shares her uncertainty about why she got a raise with Clark, She didnt seem very jubilant about it, she seemed worried and concerned. No smile, nothing. She will look into it IMO.

[Sv.LoisLane]

But she didn't. She knew it had something to do with her being knocked out, right? Why not be the "investigative reporter" that she is and find out what happened?

Because maybe she has an idea of what happened but knows that finding out more involves asking Clark a lot of questions and unlike someone she understands him better and prefers not to?
Besides... how is Lois, with no super-power, no kryptonian knowledge, no Clark, Chloe, Tess or Oliver ready to fill her in, supposed to somehow find out everything about something litteraly out of this world? I dare any repoter to do that! ;)

About the raise... I think she did question herself and was almost ready to bring up that topic with Clark.. but he made that "Why would Tess give you a raise?" remark and decided not to and 'defend' her pride instead.

[Kalista]

I can't remember his response, what was it?

He asked her why Tess would give her a raise. His tone and facial expressions just make me laugh. He had a WTH expression on his face.:lol: Well, that and the fact that Clark knew something was up with the raise. That's all.

[Alicia Chipy]

I would not turn down a raise,but if I know Lois,she will personally look into the matter.Don'tforget she had suffered head trauma,memory loss, and "hallucinations"
Maybe she imagined the raise?:confused:

:rotfl:

[ginnyfan]

She was surprised by the raise, that's why she went directly to share the news with Clark. Maybe Lois will investigate this in the future, who knows?

I thought she seemed surprised as well. The way she whispered the news to Clark, the way she was fishing for information about the period of time she couldn't remember, all that said to me that she was a bit shell shocked.

One minute a crazy crystal knocks you out... the next you get a raise from your hateful boss. It's weird. Lois asked Clark A LOT of questions.

[bizzaro93]

I think Tess knows more about Kryptonian Knowledge than meets the eye, she wasn't shocked or thought Lois was crazy when she heard about the spaceship or Kal-El.

[DontCha]

Lois actually looked worried by the fact she suddenly got a raise and shared her concerns with clark, but then went into her classic defense mode when he questioned it.

but still, she doesnt even crack a simple smile about it, IMo she knows something isnt right here.

[Iluvgreen]

"Because I'm me. Hello!" :lol: plus how do you even know she didn't ask questions. :rolleyes:

[luvinChlark]

"Because I'm me. Hello!" :lol: plus how do you even know she didn't ask questions. :rolleyes:

Cause she came back looking very confused and didn't have real response to Clark.
She could have said something like "Thanks for the raise, Ms.Mercer, but what have a done that's grabbed your attention?" At least then she would have gotten an answer to tell Clark. With her job being a reporter, I guess I would expect to be a little curious as to why. :\

[ginnyfan]

Lois' confusion could just as easily have been because Tess didn't give her a straight answer. Lois hasn't had any problem being direct with Tess in the past. Then again... Lois may have been shocked speechless. LOL!

[SteveS]

Right, thats why she went blindly on a date with someone she didnt even know. With absolutely NO second thoughts what so ever.

no wait, she did her research on him and knew exactly who he was before she even went out with him

are we even watching the same show here?:rolleyes:

Lois shares her uncertainty about why she got a raise with Clark, She didnt seem very jubilant about it, she seemed worried and concerned. No smile, nothing. She will look into it IMO.


And in very few minutes later, the 'damsel in distress' was screaming her lungs out for ClarkMan to help her: "Somebody (ClarkMan, not 911, save me!!!!!)

[kryptonaidxh]

:D Lois is miles away of being a damsel in disgrace , such as the awful Lana (lana would have died in the PZ) honey:D, that was a normal reaction of a human girl who never has been abducted by an alien artifact and taken to another planet;)
actually Lois is the opposite;she´s strong,brave and INTREPID, and that is a quality that defines Lois perfectely, many people has said that about Lois this season; from Tess, and Chloe and the last one was the same Kara:
"Lois can handle it, she´s TOUGH, STRONG" :D
and Clark thinks that way too, she doesn´t expect somedoby to save her, she takes the action in her own hands.:D

[Hippolyta]

:D Lois is miles away of being a damsel in disgrace , such as the awful Lana (lana would have died in the PZ) honey:D, that was a normal reaction of a human girl who never has been abducted by an alien artifact and taken to another planet;)
actually Lois is the opposite;she´s strong,brave and INTREPID, and that is a quality that defines Lois perfectely, many people has said that about Lois this season; from Tess, and Chloe and the last one was the same Kara:
"Lois can handle it, she´s TOUGH, STRONG" :D
and Clark thinks that way too, she doesn´t expect somedoby to save her, she takes the action in her own hands.:D

Here here! I totally agree. You are so right- she is tough, she thinks she can handle any situation, but she's not afraid of asking for help when she's in too deep. And she can handle his secret. I doubt she'd be fazed by it. I was thinking about the Ollie situation and wondering what they were trying to tell the audience in Siren when she gives up Ollie and in Toxic when she regrets it. I think the whole Ollie situation has taught Lois a lesson. Its shown her that she can't let anything get between her and the man she loves, even a hero complex. I think as soon as Clark and Lois both realise their feelings for each other and discover its mutual, Lois won't let him go like Lana did. The point is that life is short so you should love while you can, regardless of the risks.

[abbaspice1]

And in very few minutes later, the 'damsel in distress' was screaming her lungs out for ClarkMan to help her: "Somebody (ClarkMan, not 911, save me!!!!!)

And who else on the show have cried out for help to Clark?

Let's see:

Chloe
Lana

So are they too are damsels in distress.

Such disdain for people who are SMART enough to call for help. If Lois was as stupid as you make her out to be, she wouldn't have called for help. Instead, she would have thought she could handle it. But instead she did the right thing and called Clark for help.

Why does that bother you so much?

[ginnyfan]

Lois is a distressing damsel. Like Leia Organa. :D

[kryptonaidxh]

:D Lois is miles away of being a damsel i n distress a nd a victim like other past female characters:D

Lois actually represents the portrait of the strong and brave woman, and the I NTREPID reporter, actually in the PZ Lois never said "Clark, help me"!:D
She handled it very well for being a human who never has been abducted and taken to a planet of evil aliens:D

[SteveS]

yeah, 'the strong and brave woman' was about to lose her head in a panic until the goodness of ClarkMan calms her down and saves her life yet once again.

abbaspice1, the reason that lois is cold-cocked and requires rescue in virtually every episode is that she is sooo unwise as to think that because her father was a career military man, that her being raised on-post makes her something special, which she isn't. That is why she is flat on the ground unconscious after most of her efforts at combat. If she were intelligent, she would only get into a fray as the last resort, not seek it out.

(and Chloe is 3 times smarter than lois in Chloe's normal condition, which means about 10 smarter today. Notice that Chloe tried to flee Feora? That was intelligent since she knew she could not manhandle the opposition. Intelligence)

[Sv.LoisLane]

^ That are traits all Lois Lanes had.

Chloe running away? Oh yeah... uhm didn't Kryptonians have SUPERSPEED? I guess she missed that. That was pure instinct, nothing to do with her intelligence.

[SteveS]

No, not "all Lois Lanes" played the part of a voluntary street-fighter because the General bit is a relatively recent addition/revision to the story.

[LuckyLois]

It is unwise to get into it with someone who has an a strong dislike for SV's Lois. We all have our opinions, it will only add fuel to the fire. Many of us love the character of Lois and some don't. Steve, we know you hate Lois, nuf said. Thanks for respecting our opinions too. Handshake?

[Sv.LoisLane]

No, not "all Lois Lanes" played the part of a voluntary street-fighter because the General bit is a relatively recent addition/revision to the story.

In every version Lois Lane had a dysfunctional family (mostly because of her Dad, because her mother was either dead or if alive was supportive). In versions that have her as "the general's daughter" she always makes sure to point that out, use what she learnt as an army kid, etc.

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It is unwise to get into it with someone who has an a strong dislike for SV's Lois. We all have our opinions, it will only add fuel to the fire. Many of us love the character of Lois and some don't. Steve, we know you hate Lois, nuf said. Thanks for respecting our opinions too. Handshake?

I agree with you and I think having personal opinions is more than fair. But, I won't agree with opinions that analyze a thing in a certain way when convenient and then use the same way against another character. If one says black is black and white is white to favor a character and then this doesn't apply for everyone.. well, I won't "shake" any hands.

[abbaspice1]

It is unwise to get into it with someone who has an a strong dislike for SV's Lois. We all have our opinions, it will only add fuel to the fire. Many of us love the character of Lois and some don't. Steve, we know you hate Lois, nuf said. Thanks for respecting our opinions too. Handshake?


Why I will not shake hands is that one cannot use one set of measuring sticks for one characgter and hate her, then refuse to do the same with other characters.

Every female character has run to or called Clark for help. If one is going to hate a character for that, then said person is going to hate a LOT of characters in the show.

If someone wants to debate, great. Let's debate. I'm all for it. But I will punch holes into their posts if I don't see their standards applied equally.

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yeah, 'the strong and brave woman' was about to lose her head in a panic until the goodness of ClarkMan calms her down and saves her life yet once again.

abbaspice1, the reason that lois is cold-cocked and requires rescue in virtually every episode is that she is sooo unwise as to think that because her father was a career military man, that her being raised on-post makes her something special, which she isn't. That is why she is flat on the ground unconscious after most of her efforts at combat. If she were intelligent, she would only get into a fray as the last resort, not seek it out.

(and Chloe is 3 times smarter than lois in Chloe's normal condition, which means about 10 smarter today. Notice that Chloe tried to flee Feora? That was intelligent since she knew she could not manhandle the opposition. Intelligence)

Yeah, tried to flee someone with superpowers? Didn't work did it?

And I recall several episodes that Chloe put herself in the Lion's den without BACK-UP. Not too smart for a normal human to do that is it Steve? But it is Chloe, so I guess it is alright to do huh? :rolleyes:

You see SteveS, people put themselves in harm's way on the show. It gives Clark the chance to be the HERO. And since the show is about him meeting his DESTINY, it would be a very boring show if everyone (Chloe, Lana, Lex, Lois, Jimmy, etc) didn't get in harms way. Clark would have nothing to do.

[DontCha]

And in very few minutes later, the 'damsel in distress' was screaming her lungs out for ClarkMan to help her: "Somebody (ClarkMan, not 911, save me!!!!!)

That was only done to show where clark actually stands with her.

earlier in the episode, the audience and clark question his position with her its important because he now has feelings for her and she makes him jealous and belittles his position with her 3 times compared to another man and then she goes out with this man. Its important for him to know and for us to know where he stands with her.

When a woman chooses a man as protector, to the male it often means they have gained some sort of ground with the female.

This is why clark is totally different around her in the next episode because previously he was uncertain and ratty about it plus these feelings were knew and he didnt know quite where he stood or what to do with them.

we/he gets the hint that he is her protector and alpha male. And now in bloodline its been concluded to him and so Im guessing we'll see him make a move in Bride Shall we dance Lois?

[Hippolyta]

we/he gets the hint that he is her protector and alpha male. And now in bloodline its been concluded to him and so Im guessing we'll see him make a move in Bride Shall we dance Lois?

I can't wait for that bit in Bride! I'm hoping that its as awesome as it is in my head:rotfl:

[SteveS]

[QUOTE=Sv.LoisLane;4150796]In every version Lois Lane had a dysfunctional family (mostly because of her Dad, because her mother was either dead or if alive was supportive). In versions that have her as "the general's daughter" she always makes sure to point that out, use what she learnt as an army kid, etc.

You had better do your research before you make a claim such as "in every version of Lois Lane" and you will see fairly simply that it ain't always been so.:confused:

Here is a simple example of how you are wrong saying 'in every version.." per Wikipedia: "Lois is the daughter of Ellen and Sam Lane. In the earlier comics, her parents were farmers in a town called Pittsdale; the modern comics, however, depict Sam as a retired soldier, and Lois as a former "army brat," born at Ramstein Air Base with Lois having been trained by her father in areas such as hand-to-hand combat and the use of firearms. Lois also has one younger sibling, her sister Lucy Lane.[2]"

You will note that originally Lois Lane's parents are a farming couple, like the Kents, and there is no mention of dysfunctionality. The silliness begins with the revision of Daddy to make him "The General."

[Sv.LoisLane]

You had better do your research before you make a claim such as "in every version of Lois Lane" and you will see fairly simply that it ain't always been so.:confused:

Here is a simple example of how you are wrong saying 'in every version.." per Wikipedia: "Lois is the daughter of Ellen and Sam Lane. In the earlier comics, her parents were farmers in a town called Pittsdale; the modern comics, however, depict Sam as a retired soldier, and Lois as a former "army brat," born at Ramstein Air Base with Lois having been trained by her father in areas such as hand-to-hand combat and the use of firearms. Lois also has one younger sibling, her sister Lucy Lane.[2]"

You will note that originally Lois Lane's parents are a farming couple, like the Kents, and there is no mention of dysfunctionality. The silliness begins with the revision of Daddy to make him "The General."

Well.. actually I do know my fav character pretty well, thank you very much. And, IMO, you shouldn't trust wikipedia so much hence Lois' relationship with her father was never a good one.
You can see that in the comics after Crisis on Infinite Earths, in the Adventures of Superman ones, in the Action Comics ones, in the TV show Lois and Clark and now in Smallville, (I haven't seen Superman Returns, so I don't know about that one).
The Lois from Earth One had parents that were farmers, true, but I recall only one appearance of his. But, for the sake of that appearance: ALMOST every Lois Lane had a bad relationship with her father :rolleyes:

[LoveHurts38]

i know lois should've probably questioned it and all that but her delivery of the "because I'm me, hello" was just priceless. :rotfl:


Just love her quote:)

[DontCha]

Wait a second steve,

So according to you lois is a bad person for calling the man she now loves and trusts the most for protection instead of 911?

That means about 85% of women are bad people.

Secondly you kow what? I just rewatched the scene in the talon again and I think you should too because this is what ACTUALLY HAPPENS

She does not go looking for a fight like you so commonly claim she does. She also doesnt become weak and give up like you so commonly claim she does, she actually does what a smart person would do in this situation she in fact actually uses fighting as a LAST option:

She walks calmly out of the car to get away from this man in order to not raise suspicion, she then slowy tries to get into her apartment. He comes and KICKS her in the lower back knocking her to the floor and points a gun in her face. She cannot run because he has her trapped so she has two options, fight, or try and bargin she proceeds to bargin with him she takes him upstairs and and gives him what he needs all the while he has a gun pointed firmly at her. He then tells her he's going to have to kill her. She CANNOT run away without getting SHOT she also cannot bargin with him anymore. All other options are gone so she has to fight to stay alive.

THEN once the gun is away from him she still has NO time to flee and she cannot bargin so her instincts come into play and she does what lots of women would do in a similar situation she calls the one person she loves, believes in and trusts the most to protect her. She then, does not crack like a "sissy paniky girl" she also doesnt even get the chance to run so she proceeds to keep him at bay until help arrives. He then throws her through a table, she's paralized by pain and cannot move, he then gets a gun to her back and this is when clark enters.

You know what I've actually just realized? one minute its a complaint that Lois fights her corner then the next moment its a complaint that she doesnt...so how can she possibly win? ..thats right she cant, your argument about her twists back and forth all the time so she cant possibly win. Clever.

[Clarky123]

Wait a second steve,

So according to you lois is a bad person for calling the man she now loves and trusts the most for protection instead of 911?

That means about 85% of women are bad people.

Secondly you kow what? I just rewatched the scene in the talon again and I think you should too because this is what ACTUALLY HAPPENS

She does not go looking for a fight like you so commonly claim she does. She also doesnt become weak and give up like you so commonly claim she does, she actually does what a smart person would do in this situation:

She walks calmly out of the car to get away from this man in order to not raise suspicion, she then slowy tries to get into her apartment. He comes and KICKS her in the lower back knocking her to the floor and points a gun in her face. SHE does not get up and fight him she proceeds to bargin with him she takes him upstairs and and gives him what he needs. He then pulls the gun out in her face again and tells her he's going to have to kill her. She CANNOT run away without getting SHOT she also cannot bargin with him anymore. All other options are gone so she has to fight.

THEN once the gun is away from him she still has NO time to flee and she cannot bargin so her instincts/bond comes into play and she does what lots of women would do in a similar situation she calls the one person she loves, believes in and trusts the most to protect her. She then, does not crack like a "sissy paniky girl" she also doesnt even get the chance to run so she proceeds to keep him at bay until help arrives. He then throws her through a table, she's paralized by pain and cannot move, he then gets a gun to her back and this is when clark enters.

You know what I've actually just realized? one minute its a complaint that Lois fights her corner then the next moment its a complaint that she doesnt...so how can she possibly win? ..thats right she cant, your argument about her twists back and forth all the time so she cant possibly win. Clever.


One of the most logical people here :P,

[Hippolyta]

Wait a second steve,

So according to you lois is a bad person for calling the man she now loves and trusts the most for protection instead of 911?

That means about 85% of women are bad people.

Secondly you kow what? I just rewatched the scene in the talon again and I think you should too because this is what ACTUALLY HAPPENS

She does not go looking for a fight like you so commonly claim she does. She also doesnt become weak and give up like you so commonly claim she does, she actually does what a smart person would do in this situation:

She walks calmly out of the car to get away from this man in order to not raise suspicion, she then slowy tries to get into her apartment. He comes and KICKS her in the lower back knocking her to the floor and points a gun in her face. SHE does not get up and fight him she proceeds to bargin with him she takes him upstairs and and gives him what he needs. He then pulls the gun out in her face again and tells her he's going to have to kill her. She CANNOT run away without getting SHOT she also cannot bargin with him anymore. All other options are gone so she has to fight to stay alive.

THEN once the gun is away from him she still has NO time to flee and she cannot bargin so her instincts/bond comes into play and she does what lots of women would do in a similar situation she calls the one person she loves, believes in and trusts the most to protect her. She then, does not crack like a "sissy paniky girl" she also doesnt even get the chance to run so she proceeds to keep him at bay until help arrives. He then throws her through a table, she's paralized by pain and cannot move, he then gets a gun to her back and this is when clark enters.

You know what I've actually just realized? one minute its a complaint that Lois fights her corner then the next moment its a complaint that she doesnt...so how can she possibly win? ..thats right she cant, your argument about her twists back and forth all the time so she cant possibly win. Clever.

You are totally right. You do put it very logically as well. Well done, I enjoyed your argument!

[DontCha]

And one could argue that Lois was too weak to win the fight...hello? he's a man she's a woman..not exactly a fair fight.

Again, even in the Maxima situation, she does not go looking for a fight, instead she's the bigger person and walks away to her car, Maxima corners her, she doesnt even get a freaking chance to run because maxima flips her car in the air half way across the street.. she was then stuck inside an upturned car trying to work her way out whilst maxima was talking to her and then went to punch her, she tried to cover her face for protection..she couldnt escape..she's actually rather clever and tries to keep maxima talking.

She only just gets out of the car when Maxima comes charging at her again and so reacts by raising her fist back at maxima.

[SteveS]

The discussion of lois screaming for ClarkMan to help her was that it was contrived, that she generally has sought out conflict like with a drunken college student, coming out of a shower soaking wet and nude in order to confront an intruder with her hair brush, or the security guard who told her to leave a LuthorCorp. facility are conveniently ignored and if you insist and I can go back and give other instances of her seeking conflict. So sorry, but you can't win on that one.

So, lois skips calling the police to call a local farm boy, or maybe a copy boy back in Metropolis x miles away and you have no problem with that. To me it smacks of inferior writing and as I have stated previously, it would have been so simple to have been on the phone with ClarkMan and then scream 'somebody save me!' and her rescue would have come about just the same except that ClarkMan would have been able to alibi his way out of her putting 2+2 together.

Feel free to peruse my posts and tell me of the times I have complained about this version of lois not fighting when she has to. Panic mode occasions are where ClarkMan controls her fears and danger and don't really count.

[DontCha]

um...she was WALKING AWAY from that man and he tried to put his hands on her, for what? to fight her or rape her.

in a split second situation where your life is on the line, people dont always think to call the police straight away, especially women, we call family members or our boyfriends, or the man/person we trust the most to protect us. Men dont share the same mentality.

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and since she got shot in Descent for being too cocky she has actually learned her lesson and grown up. Never since in a life or death situation has she fought unless it was the last option.
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The discussion of lois screaming for ClarkMan to help her was that it was contrived, that she generally has sought out conflict like with a drunken college student,

Again, she was walking away, he went after her, she told him to leave her alone he then went to put his hands on her and she used self defence, there is nothing wrong with that when a man might hurt you or rape you.

Again somehow I really doubt her calling clark was contrived. It was out of fear Im pretty sure as this man was positivley BEATING on her she wasnt thinking "hmm I can get clark to show his love for me here" she was going to DIE you've chosen to ignore that possibility, but that doesnt mean i will. . She fought to get the gun away from this man so she could run she went to run and then this man instantly grabbed her and threw her up hard against a wall winding her and trapping her. She kicked him away and couldn't escape becaue he was getting up, she called clark as quick as she could and this man was up again in a fraction of a second pounding on her HARD.....she was trying to get clark to love her?.. IMO, Nope she called clark because she loves him and trusts him most and ws about to die thats all.


coming out of a shower soaking wet and nude in order to confront an intruder with her hair brush,
Ok..hang on a minute I had to actually read this twice, so if you thought someone was lurking around in your apartment you would continue to have a shower and ignore it? OK..well I think its safe to say most people wouldnt and secondly they'd grab something to protect themselves because they're scared.



or the security guard who told her to leave a LuthorCorp. facility are conveniently ignored and if you insist and I can go back and give other instances of her seeking conflict. So sorry, but you can't win on that one.
Chloe was in trouble, she had to knock him out the way so she could get back into her car and get Chloe who BTW was beating on another security guard and not doing the "smart thing" and running away. Im sure Lois would be called "a coward" if she just left chloe there to get caught by either of the guards?


So, lois skips calling the police to call a local farm boy, or maybe a copy boy back in Metropolis x miles away and you have no problem with that. To me it smacks of inferior writing and as I have stated previously, it would have been so simple to have been on the phone with ClarkMan and then scream 'somebody save me!' and her rescue would have come about just the same except that ClarkMan would have been able to alibi his way out of her putting 2+2 together.

So what. I've skipped calling the ploice whilst in trouble before. I had a man following me, i've called my brother to pick me up. I've had someone fighting me so I called my best friend who I know will get to me at all costs rather than waiting for the police. Does that make me an idiot? Nope it doesnt. It may have been bad writing to you, but its also something that does happen in real life situations with women in danger. And was also something they used to show you that clark is Alpha male. Because the theme of jealousy and threatened position was btought up earlier in the episode.




Feel free to peruse my posts and tell me of the times I have complained about this version of lois not fighting when she has to. Panic mode occasions are where ClarkMan controls her fears and danger and don't really count.

i dont need to persue your posts because you've basicaly said it countless times "damsel in distress" "relying on clarkman to save her because she's weak", so its BAD for her to be weak and rely on someone and its bad for her to fight..which is it? she cant win with you at all.

[SteveS]

Using the preferred line of thinking of some fans of Lois, this lois has always been a 'damsel in distress' and coming out of a shower nude with a loaded hair-brush in her hand was stupid, she was written that way, but it is still stupid.

A way for lois to 'win' with me is for the writers to come up with a believeable, non-jerkette, female who is independent and aggressive, but uses her wits to get herself out of most trouble, as opposed to kiddie-foo to get herself into potentially deadly confrontations, and then Superman will help her out as need be. If comic book writers thought that there was a re-boot of the story some time in the past, it is time to boot out a conception and characterization of Lois Lane that needs excuses to justify why Superman would want to spend any more time with her than the time it takes for a 'speeding bullet' to save her life. Obviously, 'they' to my way of thinking have done a very poor job with what lois has devolved to and is still shown on Smallville, whereas it would be so easy to upgrade her be it a download or something else.

[DontCha]

its even more stupid to stay in a shower when someone is sneaking around inside your house..it makes you vulnerable and trapped.

When thats happened to me(when i can hear something whilst im in the shower), I've got out the shower and grabbed something to protect myself with and Im not stupid its called human nature

you're telling me that you would remain in the shower whilst a stranger might be robbing your house or trying to kill you? you wouldnt go and grab something heavy to protect yourself with?

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A way for lois to 'win' with me is for the writers to come up with a believeable, non-jerkette, female who is independent and aggressive, but uses her wits to get herself out of most trouble, as opposed to kiddie-foo to get herself into potentially deadly confrontations, and then Superman will help her out as need be. If comic book writers thought that there was a re-boot of the story some time in the past, it is time to boot out a conception and characterization of Lois Lane that needs excuses to justify why Superman would want to spend any more time with her than the time it takes for a 'speeding bullet' to save her life. Obviously, 'they' to my way of thinking have done a very poor job with what lois has devolved to and is still shown on Smallville, whereas it would be so easy to upgrade her be it a download or something else.

its funny because Chloe and Lana dont actually share all these qualities which you think Lois needs to have in order to win with you..yet you believe them to be better suited to clark? In similar situations they have done the EXACT same thing as her. They fight rather than flee, when running would have been the better option and they call on clark for help rather than the police, even when they had no idea about his secret.


She has looked for confrontation before I agree with you. But its only been once as i can recall and it was when we were pretty much first introduced to her. Devoted. "bring it on hot shots" And at this point she was incredibly rough around the edges and closer to her iconic army brat roots rather than her iconic reporter destiny.

There is no other version of Lois lane in any other media where she is a teenager/young adult and so she cannot fairly be compared to any other Lois Lane's in other media. They are all much older versions of her, 30 plus years old. ED's lois is the only one that exists in a long term story. Smallville's Lois is still finding her feet especially when we first met her. She was fresh out of the offensive lifestyle, and she was a teenager, and lets face it teenagers aren't exactly the brightest creatures on earth. Put these two things together and you have just that, a brattish army kid.

Every other person she has fought, it has been provoked, she did not openly seek it. And as I've said, since Descent, she has never been the same, she thought "i can fight my way out of this" instead of doing the "smart thing" and leaving it till the last option and she got punished for it and she learned from it. Ever since this she has used it as the last option.

[skylar]

I wouldnt have question it either as long
as my work shows.

[abbaspice1]

Using the preferred line of thinking of some fans of Lois, this lois has always been a 'damsel in distress' and coming out of a shower nude with a loaded hair-brush in her hand was stupid, she was written that way, but it is still stupid.

A way for lois to 'win' with me is for the writers to come up with a believeable, non-jerkette, female who is independent and aggressive, but uses her wits to get herself out of most trouble, as opposed to kiddie-foo to get herself into potentially deadly confrontations, and then Superman will help her out as need be. If comic book writers thought that there was a re-boot of the story some time in the past, it is time to boot out a conception and characterization of Lois Lane that needs excuses to justify why Superman would want to spend any more time with her than the time it takes for a 'speeding bullet' to save her life. Obviously, 'they' to my way of thinking have done a very poor job with what lois has devolved to and is still shown on Smallville, whereas it would be so easy to upgrade her be it a download or something else.


You forgot to say she also needs to COOK and CLEAN, just like the depression-era Lois, who was also ALWAYS GETTING INTO TROUBLE.

[Hippolyta]

A way for lois to 'win' with me is for the writers to come up with a believeable, non-jerkette, female who is independent and aggressive, but uses her wits to get herself out of most trouble, as opposed to kiddie-foo to get herself into potentially deadly confrontations, and then Superman will help her out as need be.

I agree with your description of what Lois Lane should be like. But you know what's strange? I wholehearted believe that Smallville's Lois does fit this description. She is independent and aggressive, she does use her wits to get herself out of trouble (and frequently into trouble too :D). You may think she's a jerk and not a believable character, but I most certainly don't. To me, she's a strong, intelligent female, which I think intimidates some people.

And she didn't call for help from Clark because he's 'Superman to be'- she called him because she trusts him to help her when she needs help most. It shows that they've got a strong relationship for her to be able to trust him like that, considering she is the sort of character who is independent and self-reliant. The writers had her call him at such a time to show that even though they argue and she jibes him a lot, when it comes down to it, she loves, trusts, and relies on him. All the other times when Clark has saved her, she hasn't asked for his help or expected it, since she doesn't know his secret- so why would she think he would save her? Lois has gone into situations expecting to be able to get herself out. Yes, she can be foolish sometimes, but thats part of her charm. She's intrepid, courageous, and intelligent. To me, that makes a fantastic character to watch each week :).