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chlo-el
11-08-2008, 12:44 PM
If Davis was created by vicouse Kryptonian dictators Why has he dedicated his life to saving people?

IT would make a little sense if you say nature vs nurture but he hasn't a stable enviroment growing up so what is up with that. Did they make a mistake or is part of his evolution?

KrissO
11-08-2008, 12:59 PM
A nice disguise isn't it ;)

Black Panda
11-08-2008, 01:11 PM
Davis spends a lot of time trying to avoid taking responsibility for what he suspects about the awful truth. The paramedic thing is a big act of denial.

Phantom X
11-08-2008, 01:17 PM
maybe in a way he enjoys the blood and gore, that is what he will become, maybe that thirst for blood seeped into davis, but ye its a choice, he is seperate from doomsday, but now after learnin things about himseelf, it might corupt him, cus his mother onli stabbed him 2 help him along the path they planned for him,

baltazor
11-08-2008, 01:29 PM
Being a bartender would not give the character the dramatic irony everyone from TPTB loves so much. Furthermore it gives the logical explanation as to why he is around so many crime scenes.

old guy
11-08-2008, 01:31 PM
Davis spends a lot of time trying to avoid taking responsibility for what he suspects about the awful truth. The paramedic thing is a big act of denial.

That makes sense, although I think the driving force is just the same type of irony (Earth's ultimate destroyer posing as someone who strives to save people) that Smallville has used throughout the series. Similar to having Clark, who as Superman is the most famous flyer in the history of comics/superheroes, being afraid of heights.

chlo-el
11-08-2008, 01:57 PM
Davis spends a lot of time trying to avoid taking responsibility for what he suspects about the awful truth. The paramedic thing is a big act of denial.

I'm agreeing with this. His has to be the biggest thing for me. I still think he still has free will
and wants to do good and is horrified that he could really do these horrible things.

individuall
11-08-2008, 03:05 PM
Well.. I think Davis in a paramedic because SV LOVES a little thing called...Irony...He spends his life trying to save people and make a good difference in the world...But really he's a destructive killer underneath it all...

susangail
11-08-2008, 03:36 PM
This version of Doomsday actually has some free will, though, like Chloe gradually being taken over by Brainiac, TPTB seem to be setting Davis up for an eventual takeover as well.

xrayvision
11-08-2008, 04:35 PM
I think the transformations began not too long ago---well after Davis made a decision to become an EMT.

Black Panda
11-08-2008, 06:49 PM
I think the transformations began not too long ago---well after Davis made a decision to become an EMT.
Others have made pretty good cases for thinking they probably began as a child. He's had blackouts for years, just not so frequent. He popped from foster home from foster home. There may have been "incidents" that he half knows about. He furtively explores what is going on, but doesn't seem to be taking steps to stop himself, just cover his tracks. I strongly suspect this will continue next episode.

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Well.. I think Davis in a paramedic because SV LOVES a little thing called...Irony...He spends his life trying to save people and make a good difference in the world...But really he's a destructive killer underneath it all...
I'll agree with this, but irony often means something more than a cheap gag. I think you need to take it farther. Clark has run from his alien side, but he takes responsibility for it, which I think makes him a hero despite his missteps. Davis I think has hidden his alien side deep within his psyche because he doesn't want to admit it and do the right thing. This makes him a villian, despite token Lex like efforts to make himself a "good person" by becoming an EMT. This guy is driving an ambulence while having uncontrolled black outs.

Kalista
11-08-2008, 06:56 PM
Others have made pretty good cases for thinking they probably began as a child. He's had blackouts for years, just not so frequent. He popped from foster home from foster home. There may have been "incidents" that he half knows about. He furtively explores what is going on, but doesn't seem to be taking steps to stop himself, just cover his tracks. I strongly suspect this will continue next episode.

That's' why I'm not sure that Davis is as sympathetic as he appears to be right now. Also, in the folder that he gave Chloe about his foster homes, there is a document with information about counseling. I tried to read it and it appears to mention something Davis attending an enhanced patient program and group/individual counseling sessions. It may not mean anything but I would really like to know what this enhanced patient program involved.

xrayvision
11-08-2008, 08:48 PM
Others have made pretty good cases for thinking they probably began as a child. He's had blackouts for years, just not so frequent. He popped from foster home from foster home. There may have been "incidents" that he half knows about. He furtively explores what is going on, but doesn't seem to be taking steps to stop himself, just cover his tracks. I strongly suspect this will continue next episode.

You know it's starting to make sense. The reason I thought that the transformations began recently was because Clark, Lois, Chloe, or someone else would have noticed an unsolved killing spree done by an unknown serial killer that lasted all these years.

But the thing was, I was forgetting the very theory that I & some others came up with that says Davis never existed prior to the events that took place between Veritas & Apocalypse when Kara went back to Krypton. The theory says that Brainiac went back to not only kill Kal-El as a baby on Krypton, but to also put the genetic material that became Davis in Clark's ship and send it to Earth. So by doing this, he changed the timeline from the original one where Clark was placed in his ship by Jor-El & Lara & left Krypton undisturbed. Therefore, the reason Clark or anyone else didn't notice the killings all those years was because they are unaware of the history that changed as a result of the altered timeline.

Sweetie
11-08-2008, 09:11 PM
Well.. I think Davis in a paramedic because SV LOVES a little thing called...Irony...He spends his life trying to save people and make a good difference in the world...But really he's a destructive killer underneath it all...



I agree.If you compare Davis & Clark's stories...

Clark who starts as BDA,lazy,mope,didn't want to move on,want to stay on his farm forever with all these powers inside of him.How selfish he was.But,as the time went by Clark learned to let go his past and thought about the future.Now,he is changing,new carrier,dual identity,saving people.He is on his way to become the superhero who will save the world.

Davis starts as good guy who wanted to help people...So,he choose to be a paramedic but,at the same time,he noticed that something was really wrong with him,black-outs,memory lost,healing ability ect...A darkness was growing more and more inside of him.He starts his life as good guy but,he will become a terrible monster.Clark was extremely selfish person,he will be the one who save the world from the evil monster who once was good.Irony is the right word indeed.

individuall
11-08-2008, 09:44 PM
Well.. I think Davis in a paramedic because SV LOVES a little thing called...Irony...He spends his life trying to save people and make a good difference in the world...But really he's a destructive killer underneath it all...

I'm going to add to my thoughts real quick...I also think it has to do with the 'whole you can't run for destiny' theme. like some of you said Davis chooses to be a paramedic, but he has black outs and he wakes up covered in blood..He knows/thinks that there is something dark inside of him...So even though he's trying to be good it's a futile attempt. Because no matter how hard he tries he can't escape his destiny, which is to become Doomsday..
Just like in early seasons when Clark couldn't ignore his heritage or Lex couldn't help being wicked...
SV also loves there 'you can't escape your destiny' message too ;)

kris10
11-08-2008, 10:00 PM
i think its just to make it more interesting...here is this insane killer or at least he will be and he chooses a profession that is totally the opposite of who he will be become. thats a very interesting story because if you compare it to lex....lex has a choice to be bad..doomy doesnt hes pardon the pun DOOMED. i think it is a great way to show how doom evolves....

xrayvision
11-08-2008, 10:10 PM
I agree.If you compare Davis & Clark's stories...

Clark who starts as BDA,lazy,mope,didn't want to move on,want to stay on his farm forever with all these powers inside of him.How selfish he was.But,as the time went by Clark learned to let go his past and thought about the future.Now,he is changing,new carrier,dual identity,saving people.He is on his way to become the superhero who will save the world.

Clark did not start out as a BDA. He started out as a good guy who was taught morals & the right thing to do, was smart, but had a crush on his next door neighbor.

He became a BDA starting in season 4 when he neglected his responsibilities to play football. He was not lazy in the beginning, he did not mope at the beginning. He was full of life, but after Pete left he got depressed and never really shedded that depression until right after Al/Miles finally left (good riddance).

Spirit Detective
11-08-2008, 10:25 PM
You know it's starting to make sense. The reason I thought that the transformations began recently was because Clark, Lois, Chloe, or someone else would have noticed an unsolved killing spree done by an unknown serial killer that lasted all these years.

But the thing was, I was forgetting the very theory that I & some others came up with that says Davis never existed prior to the events that took place between Veritas & Apocalypse when Kara went back to Krypton. The theory says that Brainiac went back to not only kill Kal-El as a baby on Krypton, but to also put the genetic material that became Davis in Clark's ship and send it to Earth. So by doing this, he changed the timeline from the original one where Clark was placed in his ship by Jor-El & Lara & left Krypton undisturbed. Therefore, the reason Clark or anyone else didn't notice the killings all those years was because they are unaware of the history that changed as a result of the altered timeline.

This makes a lot of sense. Jor-El and Lara were not stupid enough to let Zod & Faora attach "genetic material" onto baby Kal-El's ship and not notice. In Sleeper, Clark didn't even know that history had changed until he read Swann's journal. It's very likely that this is how Davis' killings went unnoticed.

Black Panda
11-08-2008, 11:53 PM
The theory says that Brainiac went back to not only kill Kal-El as a baby on Krypton, but to also put the genetic material that became Davis in Clark's ship and send it to Earth. So by doing this, he changed the timeline from the original one where Clark was placed in his ship by Jor-El & Lara & left Krypton undisturbed. Therefore, the reason Clark or anyone else didn't notice the killings all those years was because they are unaware of the history that changed as a result of the altered timeline.
I don't think this theory contradicts the idea that Davis has been up to evil longer than he wants to admit, but I don't think you need it either.

I think if the killing or other "incidents" were infrequent and geographically dispursed they have reason enough not to know.

davidbrenton
11-09-2008, 11:18 AM
It's ironic, and also a convenient way to keep him involved in the stories.

Sweetie
11-09-2008, 11:33 AM
Clark did not start out as a BDA. He started out as a good guy who was taught morals & the right thing to do, was smart, but had a crush on his next door neighbor.

He became a BDA starting in season 4 when he neglected his responsibilities to play football. He was not lazy in the beginning, he did not mope at the beginning. He was full of life, but after Pete left he got depressed and never really shedded that depression until right after Al/Miles finally left (good riddance).



True,it's in season 4,he started to become a BDA.

borednow
11-09-2008, 09:55 PM
He is drawn to carnage but doesn't understand that he wants to be the cause of it!

No really it's because it's ironic ;)