The only problem I had with tonight's episode is...

[MrZeppo]

Once again, we have no explanation how Ollie knows Clark is an alien.

Based on the comments from Odyessy till last night, it was implied that Ollie knew, yet we could never knew for sure because the comments that were made were very vague. However after Chloe started talking to Ollie about Clark's crystal, I think we finally got full confirmation that Ollie knows.

My problem is HOW? Before Odyessy, the last time we saw Ollie was in Siren, and it sure as hell didn't look like he knew then. Yet sometime between then and after Ollie saved Clark, he found out. My issue with this is we haven't seen when. Was it after Ollie saved Clark from the russians? Did Clark explain what happened at the N Pole on the plane ride back to the states? My other issue is that is something I would have wanted & loved to see as a fan. It feels like a cop out PS3! I would have loved to see that conversation. Everytime Clark has told someone, it's been very interesting to see how the characters react to it. Pete. Chloe. Lana. Lex... But with Ollie, we get nothing.

I really wish they would answer this for us. It's driving me insane. Even if it's a flashback, I would take it.

I have to admit, I have loved this season so far. There has been so much payoff and character growth that I eagerly look forward to every new episode. I applaud the PS3. I think the writing in this season has been consistantly top notch and interesting. But every time I see Clark and Ollie together, I keep asking myself how did Ollie find out Clark's secret? It's the only issue I have had with the PS3's writing. It could be possible it was edited out and we'll see it on the S8 DVD, but if not it will continue to bug me.

Craig, I know you don't really take requests. But please, I beg of you, if you ever get the chance to ask the PS3 this question I would be extremely happy. :)

[Eurynome]

I agree with you 100%. I was confused about how not only Ollie but the rest of the League knew Clark was an alien. AC and Dinah weren't exactly surprised when it was mentioned to them in Odyssey. Did they have some big pow-wow off screen? I would have loved to see the scene where Clark tells them the entire secret. When Clark mentioned Jor-El to Ollie in Odyssey, I felt it was a little out of the blue because I thought Ollie believed that he was just some supercharged human.

[eas]

Really? I wasn't confused by it, at all. I figured - like many things in "SV" - that this convo happened off-screen. I've always gotten the sense that Clark and Ollie talk to each other about things (they even mentioned Ollie last season when he wasn't there) and I always assumed that Ollie would ask him about his powers at some point. Not to mention, Ollie has a relationship with (1) Cyborg; (2) Impulse; and (3) Aquaman... all of whom are aware of Clark's secret. Then, there's Chloe. We know she's Watchtower and she's got ALL the info on all the superheroes. And she's proven before that she's not worried about talking about it to fellow superheroes.

In short, I would have found it odd if he DIDN'T know.

[ram711]

Um, I don't believe Cyborg, Impulse, or Aquaman ever knew that Clark was an alien. Who knows? Maybe they all found out, along with Ollie, in 'Justice' when Chloe said that Clark was in trouble because the facility was storing meteor rocks. Nonetheless, I would have liked a nice chat between Clark and Ollie about his origins.

[j-kent]

Who cares- Ollie is a man of vast resources...of course he would find out. ppl always forget about offscreenville.

Not to mention that he isn't dumb- his parents were killed because they were part of Veritas. The story of a traveler. He knows that Clark was the traveler. From there, the lines aren't hard to connect..he wasn't out of the loop with Veritas.

[disciples of zod]

well, in season 7, ollie found out that clark was different, but yeah....how did he come to the conclusion that clark was an alien?

heck, how did the whole league find out too? idk, and i haven't even watched the episode yet.....weird.

~K

[MrZeppo]

Who cares- Ollie is a man of vast resources...of course he would find out. ppl always forget about offscreenville.

Not to mention that he isn't dumb- his parents were killed because they were part of Veritas. The story of a traveler. He knows that Clark was the traveler. From there, the lines aren't hard to connect..he wasn't out of the loop with Veritas.

Ollie didn't know about Veritas. Tess only gave him a file showing that Luthorcorp employees tampered with the Queen's jet. But I am 100% certain he knows nothing about Veritas, unless it was on Off-Screen-Ville...

[One-Winged-Angel]

not everything needs to be explained on camera.

[bizzaro93]

Didn't you notice when Chloe went to Oliver for help, he was TOTALLY lost and didn't want any part with his alien heritage. And logically, he probably knows that Clark is not a meteor freak so the common term to use would be alien.

[susangail]

It would be really nice if the writers found a way for Oliver and Clark to talk about this. Maybe tying it into the broader question of what keeps them going as heroes. We know that Oliver will struggle as Clark is finally embracing his destiny.

[MrZeppo]

not everything needs to be explained on camera.

No, I understand that. Not everyone needs to see Chloe going to the dentist for a checkup, or Clark shovel manure, or Lois taking a shower (although I bet a few people here would...). Some things are best left off camera and don't lend much to the overall relationship between characters or story arc.

But come on, this is Ollie finding out everything about Clark. That's kind of big, you know?

I'm entirely hoping that it is a deleted scene we will find on the S8 DVD set for Odyessy, I feel the only time Clark could have told Ollie was after the rescue in Russia and before going to free Chloe, right before we see them talking in Ollie's jet about what happened to Clark after "Artic".

But I have a sinking feeling it isn't being addressed. That it never will be addressed. There are things that the writers have scripted, but never gets shot or is edited out for the sake of time, or let's face it, that they overlook. Like remember the end of S5, when Clark freed Zod by stabbing Brainiac. All the fans were like wtf? What just happened, how'd that free Zod? And we were told of a scene showing Brainiac infecting the FOS, but it was cut, so we had to deal with it. That scene was necessary for the storyline, but it's removal caused confusion, just like now.

But I feel Ollie finding out Clark's secret, a secret which has been made a huge deal of for the last 7 years, should be addressed on-screen. Let the audience see the dynamic of Ollie realizing Clark is much more than he thought. That alien life exists. Making jokes about Clark being from Mars or having a third eye, who knows? I like seeing Clark and Ollie's banter, lol.

Ollie is a smart guy, but I doubt his first leap to explain Clark was "alien". All the other members of the League have powers and they aren't aliens or meteor freaks. But Ollie has intimate knowledge of Clark's background, which could have really only come from Clark. At the very least he knows Clark is an alien, he's from a planet that is gone called Krypton, that he is the last of his kind, about Brainiac (based on his convo with Clark at the end of Bloodline).

Ollie is freaked out by it all, especially after seeing Chloe go white eyed. Maybe that could be the way to bring it up in a conversation on screen. Like if Ollie told Clark, "Ever since I rescued you from those Russians and you told me about being an E.T it's been one X-file after another." I would take that, that would satisfy me. But for now, it's hanging over my head and I keep wondering about it while watching the show.

What the hell Ollie, have you been watching the last 7 seasons on DVD or something? Please, explain this to me.

[KrissO]

I don't see the huge deal about this. Of all the people that Clark has told his secret, Oliver the Green Arrow should be the one who handles it the best.
Ofcourse finding out he's an alien is a big deal. But when you find out someone can shoot fire from their eyes, dodge bullets and race trains, I would be surprised if they weren't aliens!

There's a lot that is offscreen. How did Chloe react when she found out Lana was alive after the carbomb? What happened in the fortress after Lex took control of Clark? What exactly does Clark remember that the viewers haven't been presented with?
etc

[Karafan1]

The coversation about Clark being an alien probably happened in "offscreenville". I can't remember if Clark told Kara about him releasing people from the phantom zone. She knew about that in "Bloodline" so that may have been another "offscreenville" conversation..

[Black Panda]

But come on, this is Ollie finding out everything about Clark. That's kind of big, you know?

Considering the quantity of bad crap Clark has done to protect that secret, absolutely. Protecting that secret drives huge plot arcs. And most folks have found out more or less accidentally. If he chose to tell him that's really something. Mostly they just like to show us Clark and Ollie rivalry, but that's some major trust there.

It's more evidence that the show has lost it's way. They are more interested in playing BS games with the audience with hiding their meaning than really exploring their themes and developing their story lately.

[baltazor]

Offscreenville has become a little annoying the last couple of seasons...

[mof123]

i agree
how the hell is that put on offscreenville
that, of all scenes is put on offscreenville
really sucks
ohh well
at least he knows

[old guy]

There's a lot of stuff that happens off-screen. You never see Lois running off to the restroom to take a dump, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. As acting head of LuthorCorp, you don't see Tess sitting in meetings (other than the Daily Planet), just as you didn't see Lex sitting through executive and board meetings, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. There's only a limited amount of screen time for things to show.

I'm guessing that they must have discussed it on the flight during Odyssey (prior to the onscreen shot), if not before. Sure it would have been nice to see, but that episode had so much material to cover, there just isn't enough time. I can't think of any scene in Odyssey that could have been cut without impacting the overall storyline to make room for that discussion. So I think the fact that they were discussing his alien status was enough to let us know that they already had "the talk".

[ClarkyBoy14]

It didn't really bug me last night, but I feel we should have seen him telling Ollie.

Maybe it'll be on the DVD. :\

[Mari2Anne]

I too am a little confused as to when Oliver found out that Clark is an alien and not just "not like the rest of us." I too would LOVE to see that scene, I also hope they put it in a flashback (or at least in a deleted scene when the S8 dvd comes out!!)

Oliver for years had given Clark a hard time about hiding out at the farm and not using his powers/skills to help fight Lex and other evils. I would imagine he'd have some really emotional (anger? disappointment? disbelief?) reactions to finding out that Clark was a hell of a lot more powerful than even he imagined and was WASTING that power (especially now that Oliver is back in his GA hero-mode). And does he know about Kara now also?

What would be his reaction that Clark hadn't trusted him after all the hell they'd been through over the years? Even Clark would have had some emotional reaction about his own lack of trust in his friend; look at how he brooded over not trusting Lex and feeling responsible that the lack of trust there helped push Lex to the dark side! At the VERY least the "Oliver, I am an alien" conversation really deserves some onscreenville time IMHO.

Maybe they did film it and weren't happy with it?

[ClarkyBoy14]

They should do a Clollie episode that shows us the moment where Ollie found out.

Sort of like what you said, Mari2Anne, Clark may have been feeling guilty about not telling Lex and what that did to him, so he decides to tell Ollie so there isn't a redux.

[migo]

You see someone who's invulnerable, superspeeds, has heat vision, super hearing, etc. You ask how they are like that. They answer. "I'm an alien". That's good enough.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i don't mind they don't explain that clark is an alien to ollie.
i only mind the possessions.

[migo]

This one was done very well. Erica did an excellent job.

[Drakaun]

I recall in the first episode this season, when Ollie, Aquaman, and Black Canary were in the Isis foundation Ollie said something about "We didn't find anything on Chloe's computer except for some really interesting facts" or something to that effect. I always assumed he meant by looking in Chloe's computer trying to locate both Chloe and Clark he found information she had stored somewhere about Clark being an Alien. Perhaps that isn't what the line meant but that is how I took it so I don't mind it so much.

[Welling_is_pretty]

i too wonder how Ollie knows. OK, so we have Clark, who is super (heh) reluctant to tell people his secret and that he's an alien, right? Yet he just tells Ollie (offscreenville)? I didn't realize he trusted Ollie that much!

I mean, the #1 thing with Clark is "don't tell your secret". And sure Ollie knows that Clark has powers but how did it get from that to "yeah, I'm an alien".

I have to wonder if it wasn't Clark but Chloe who spilled the beans. Perhaps Ollie was talking to her about something and Chloe kinda let it slip, or perhaps told him so that someone other than herself (and the handful of others) would know and would be able to help and protect him.

I get that Ollie knows the truth in the comics and they are trying to keep to that but yeah, it bothers me.

[virginie]

i think ollie knew it in season 6 because how does he knew about kryptonite who can killed Clark?? and Clark told him that there was a problem he needed to take care of. By that he meant the phantom that escaped from the pz so he might said to him by this time that he was an alien.
That's what im thinking, but Clark doesn't really give him a lot of details so he just knew that he was an alien.

[Nerial]

I feel for you, buddy. Since Obyssey, I've accepted the fact that Ollie knows the whole truth about Clark, but that practically ruined the premeire for me. I was terrified that the rest of the season would be that inconsistent, but thankfully, that hasn't been the case.

Just accept that whatever transpired between Clark/Ollie happened in Offscreenville (which I HATE, but have accepted), and you'll feel better. Hopefully, that massive fluke by the writers won't happen again. :)

[Sweetie]

Of course some facts are more important than others.I would have appreciated to know that aswell.I would be interested to see if he figured it out by himself or if it's Clark who told him.

[Kal el of krypton]

well technically he kind of knew in season 6. Justice, when clark told him i have to take care of that problem. (phantoms) and that was the reason he couldn't join the group. So ollie could of found out then. He might of not known the name of the phantom zone as he said in the episode along the lines of where do they get these names from or who comes up with these names.

[Hopefulsuicide]

no secret reveal should ever be done in offscreenville... i don't think it has ever happened before, in any other incarnation... but for some reason Smallville thinks it's okay

IMO the writers didn't watch the last two seasons properly and thought he already knew...

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well technically he kind of knew in season 6. Justice, when clark told him i have to take care of that problem. (phantoms) and that was the reason he couldn't join the group. So ollie could of found out then. He might of not known the name of the phantom zone as he said in the episode along the lines of where do they get these names from or who comes up with these names.

how could he have found out then? Clark specifically vagued it up by calling it a 'problem' because he wasn't going to just tell Ollie 'oh yeah im busy saving the world from evil aliens i unleashed from an alien prison that was made on my planet...'

[Kal-alien]

if they had to include every minute detail of their lives we'd still be in clark's sophomore year in high school. just assume they discussed things offscreen and don't work that you aren't there to see every little conversation that pops up. otherwise we'd see cuts to clark at home in his bed at night crying because lana and lex are off eating pie somewhere without him. No one wants to see that

[erikamichelle614]

It would be like the freakin truman show.. 24 hours a day, there would be way too much.

[Hopefulsuicide]

if they had to include every minute detail of their lives we'd still be in clark's sophomore year in high school. just assume they discussed things offscreen and don't work that you aren't there to see every little conversation that pops up. otherwise we'd see cuts to clark at home in his bed at night crying because lana and lex are off eating pie somewhere without him. No one wants to see that

we aren't talking about watching him crying about Lana. we are talking about Clark confessing his secret to Oliver. why on earth would that not be a big enough priority to give it screen time?

they show shelby getting fed, why can't they show Ollie and Clark having the most important conversation of their life

[Welling_is_pretty]

no secret reveal should ever be done in offscreenville..


we aren't talking about watching him crying about Lana. we are talking about Clark confessing his secret to Oliver. why on earth would that not be a big enough priority to give it screen time?

they show shelby getting fed, why can't they show Ollie and Clark having the most important conversation of their life
*points up and just nods* what SHE said! Well put, Becky!

[Eurynome]

if they had to include every minute detail of their lives we'd still be in clark's sophomore year in high school. just assume they discussed things offscreen and don't work that you aren't there to see every little conversation that pops up. otherwise we'd see cuts to clark at home in his bed at night crying because lana and lex are off eating pie somewhere without him. No one wants to see that

I realize that not every minute of someone life needs to be recorded, but Clark revealing his secret is a big deal. Clark has agonized whether or not to tell people, and if he can trust them. Several seasons revolved around this.

[Kevin24]

I really don't care if they show it or not. It is a minor part of the story.

Bad writing? Nah they just show what's more interesting to viewers.

[All about Clark]

I thought they made it clear in Odyssey that Clark had to explain about his fortress, his being lost in the artic and the orb and Lex and his loss of powers and everything to do with what Clark is. We just saw the end of it Clark talking about not knowing his father's intentions. Enough of the conversation was onscreen, obviously they would have talked about this a long time and didn't want to waste the screentime. Why is it so hard to accept this? If my friend came back to me different, don't you think we would have alot to talk about.

[Viper2369]

Once again, we have no explanation how Ollie knows Clark is an alien.

Based on the comments from Odyessy till last night, it was implied that Ollie knew, yet we could never knew for sure because the comments that were made were very vague. However after Chloe started talking to Ollie about Clark's crystal, I think we finally got full confirmation that Ollie knows.

My problem is HOW? Before Odyessy, the last time we saw Ollie was in Siren, and it sure as hell didn't look like he knew then. Yet sometime between then and after Ollie saved Clark, he found out. My issue with this is we haven't seen when. Was it after Ollie saved Clark from the russians? Did Clark explain what happened at the N Pole on the plane ride back to the states? My other issue is that is something I would have wanted & loved to see as a fan. It feels like a cop out PS3! I would have loved to see that conversation. Everytime Clark has told someone, it's been very interesting to see how the characters react to it. Pete. Chloe. Lana. Lex... But with Ollie, we get nothing.

I really wish they would answer this for us. It's driving me insane. Even if it's a flashback, I would take it.

I have to admit, I have loved this season so far. There has been so much payoff and character growth that I eagerly look forward to every new episode. I applaud the PS3. I think the writing in this season has been consistantly top notch and interesting. But every time I see Clark and Ollie together, I keep asking myself how did Ollie find out Clark's secret? It's the only issue I have had with the PS3's writing. It could be possible it was edited out and we'll see it on the S8 DVD, but if not it will continue to bug me.

Craig, I know you don't really take requests. But please, I beg of you, if you ever get the chance to ask the PS3 this question I would be extremely happy. :)


Not saying I believe this to be the case, but I haven't seen anyone suggest it. What if he actually doesn't know yet?

Think about it just a minute, he was vague when he said he had another problem to take care of before joining the Justice League. Even when Ollie asked whoe MMH was after he flew off with him, Clarke just said he was a friend and that they would probably see him again. Clarke has never actually talked specifics with Ollie, that I recall, I could have forgotten a few.

And if you watch the last episode, when Chloe started talking about crystals and krytonian symbols, Ollie just kind of looked at her like he didn't know what she was talking about, he just knew it was about Clarke.

So with that said, maybe he knows something is up with Clarke and he has put more and more of it together, but he doesn't want to straight up ask Clarke because it is obvious it is a big deal to him and he will let Clarke tell him when he is ready. Or it will get to a point where he is learning more and more, to the point where he breaks and down and straight up asks Clarke. Something along the lines of "...Clarke, I know you are very secretive and you have your reasons, but you and Chloe have been talking about etc., etc., etc. and I really don't know exactly what y'all are talking about. How about clearing it all up?"

Again, just a thought, maybe wishful thinking because I too believe this is something the viewers should get to see. Especially if they plan to work together as the Justice League.