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gem65

11-07-2008, 10:11 AM

Did anyone pick up on the "Lois and Clark" comment that Clark made in the Phantom Zone? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like the first time he ever referred to him and Lois in that way.

DGirlLois4Clark

11-07-2008, 10:15 AM

yep. thats a message to reassure the fans..
Thanks Tom.ehehehehe:p

morrigan01

11-07-2008, 10:22 AM

It was a total Breaking The 4th Wall line - but I loved it anyway. ;)

SnowBird

11-07-2008, 10:45 AM

That line was very cool and I'm glad Clark said it to give Lois assurance that they were going to be okay together even though he wasn't sure himself. Clark once again in Superman mode:)

DontCha

11-07-2008, 10:46 AM

Damn straight aint nothing getting in the way of clois..It will win out.

thank you Ps3 for spelling it out to us over and over you rock!

Kton4

11-07-2008, 10:51 AM

It Was Amazing!

baltazor

11-07-2008, 11:20 AM

Well it was Lois incoherent talk before that, that made me smile. She was freaking out saying that they were NOT ok and she used phrases such as : "us, together, in the farm" in a row. Seems like Lois had serious plans when she decided to move in with Clark.

kryptonaidxh

11-07-2008, 12:04 PM

The whole prhase was like a premonition of Lois and Clark`s fuure together as a romantic couple, :D

individuall

11-07-2008, 12:07 PM

That line literally gave me chills, in a good way...
.Don't judge me!:o

I liked that Clark had to snap Lois out of her panicy mod :D

Oh and the whole foreshadowing/fan reassurance angle was nice too..And I love Lois'
"They better not!" :)
It also shows that both of them think of themselves as a team/partnership...
It made my little Clois heart soar :D

LoveHurts38

11-07-2008, 12:15 PM

I call it "The Line " now Clark said it.

borednow

11-07-2008, 12:58 PM

Got to love anvils... *CLANG!*

OneShotClois

11-07-2008, 01:01 PM

I loved that quote from Clark. It showed a different side to him.. :)

christian_kryptonian

11-07-2008, 01:21 PM

I found it very forced and silly. But NOT bad. I was like, "why are you talking in third person?" lol It didn't bother me though. It was a cute insert.

jimmyolsenblues

11-07-2008, 01:25 PM

i loved it when clark said it.....fantastic acknowledgment to the previous 90s show.

pizzahead2490

11-07-2008, 01:26 PM

it made my clois heart rejoice

Krypto_marcus

11-07-2008, 01:54 PM

I'll never get tired of that line and Tom delivered it perfectly.

susangail

11-07-2008, 03:06 PM

A little contrived, maybe, but calm amidst Lois's freaking out.

dimeo782002

11-07-2008, 06:15 PM

yes i noticed it and it is just another anvil to hit other fans over the head. sorry i don't mean it in a bad way but it's just cheesy to me. people obviously know 70 years of superman we don't need to be beaten with baseball bats !

JMO. as im entitled. the more they push it on me the more i don't like it . i have always been a rebel so for people the know me personally wouldn't be surprised.

anyway for me it's just a message to other shippers saying your never gonna get your way lois and clark are here to stay and im sure the clois people are happy and im happy they can be happy .

but not all of us want to be told who has feelings for who or destiny or other aliens like faora telling clark oh you have feelings for this human i inhabit .... ugh ! whatever ! duh ofcourse he has feelings clark is a good decent person he has FEELINGS FOR ALL HIS FRIENDS. but i don't see that being shoved down people's throats . only one in particular is being cut into big pieces that i cannot swallow and it is really wearing thin with me and ruins the show IMO. let the future be the future but don't throw anvils at me i don't like it.

zorasuperman

11-07-2008, 06:18 PM

i absolutely ADORED it
very cute and sweet
and tw delivered it perfectly
what more could a cloiser fan want?
lol

devilneedsaride

11-07-2008, 06:18 PM

For some reason whenever I hear it said as "Lois and Clark" it makes me cringe. I don't know if it's because it feels forced or because I didn't like TNAS or what, but I always wince when that line comes up. And it does kind of feel like they're overusing it. :\

Storm45

11-07-2008, 06:55 PM

svtwamedfan05

11-07-2008, 07:33 PM

OMG I absolutely loved that line. Favorite line of the night. Yahoo GO TEAM CLOIS!

rej@ne

11-07-2008, 07:49 PM

I would like to see more love action between lois and Clark but I just loved the quote
"no one ,esses with Lois and Clar" and indeed Tom delieverd it perfectly!!! Love you Tom!!!!

Nerial

11-07-2008, 08:10 PM

It was a cute line, and great reference to their romantic future, and, more specifically, the series by that name.

I love how Lois' name is first in the line-up. Usually it's the guy's name in most brands/trademarks (etc.), but the L&C trademark is so common now, it always comes out that way. :)

Mandini

11-07-2008, 09:15 PM

Yup and I jumped up and was like WOOO HOO Damn Straight!

Love the direction of this season, this is where Clark fate is supposed to be heading.....:o

Alicia Chipy

11-07-2008, 09:27 PM

This line may become the next Clois iconic catch phrase!
Like :"you've got me,who's got you?" from Superman I.
I love it!

Black Panda

11-07-2008, 09:55 PM

"No one's gonna mess with Lois and Clark"
Isn't this in response to "We're both going to die." Well, Clark is going to die, isn't he? What is this Doomsday arc about if not that?

The death anvils have been coming pretty fast and furious for Lois. "Terminal Deadline" "Will I Live" "Why haven't I FIRED you already" "Enough rope to hang yourself, but I'm less patient" The hearse, gun after gun, minion after minion taking her down.

The question is, are they both going to die, and are they going to mess with Lois and Clark. They mess with everything else.

TECHWON

11-07-2008, 10:23 PM

i loved it when clark said it.....fantastic acknowledgment to the previous 90s show.

i was a great line

Poyntz

11-07-2008, 10:53 PM

Actually i ended up rolling my eyes as soon as i heard it. I too feel like i'm being hit over the head with a baseball bat. Yes i know the future is supose to be Lois. But that's the Future. We know lets move on. Stop throwing it down our throats as someone else said.

Kalista

11-07-2008, 10:59 PM

Violet-Shadow

11-07-2008, 11:11 PM

I thought the line was kinda funny and kinda sweet. Lois was freaking out and Clark said it to calm her down. Maybe it was an anvil but I thought of it as almost a light hearted moment and I liked it. I think the main reason I liked it was because Clark was using it in a way to comfort her. TPTB are showing more and more how close they are getting and this line is more than an anvil, it shows more than the future. It shows that right now, in the present, they are viewing each other as a team. They are Lois and Clark. Exactly who they should be.

zHeN_zHeN

11-07-2008, 11:20 PM

It was a great line. Funny, corny, but great.

And, I liked Lois's response: "They better not." :)

<3 Clois

dimeo782002

11-08-2008, 03:08 PM

harryandginnyfanatic

11-08-2008, 03:33 PM

It could've been breaking the 4th wall.

PS3 did say this would be the season of "Lois and Clark"

TheANIMAL (marcus)

11-08-2008, 03:53 PM

Lois to Clark: "i'd rather stay close to your right hook" :rotfl:

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

11-08-2008, 04:41 PM

I loved that line :D

anyway for me it's just a message to other shippers saying your never gonna get your way lois and clark are here to stay and im sure the clois people are happy and im happy they can be happy .

I don't see why other shippers need that message, it's been known from the first episode Lois is his destiny, if anyone thought otherwise, then that's on them.........

luvinChlark

11-08-2008, 05:22 PM

The worst thing is that there's plenty of anvils. They should just keep developing the relationship instead of relaying on future references.

Exactly. It's lazy writing. Every episode Lois is in we get Clois anvils thrown at us. It's not cute. It's quit annoying to say the least.

DontCha

11-08-2008, 05:46 PM

I find that most anvils are so clumsily written and delivered. Like that lines from another episode about Lois marrying a man with thighs who flies a lot. That was so stupid. We know about Clark and Lois already. Instead of making character spouts ridiculous lines about how Clois are soulmates, show us that they are soulmates.

The worst thing is that there's plenty of anvils. They should just keep developing the relationship instead of relaying on future references.

you want a list of things they've done to show that there is actual onscreen development as WELL as anvils? I know many people who dislike the relationship watch scenes with clois only once/skip through them and so do not remember/know of them later on. To me its been rather obvious since late season 7 that they were starting actual ON SCREEN development of clois and sticking with it for once by giving it continuity.

Siren - Lois is in tears about breaking up with Olliver, clark comforts Lois about this. (this is mirrored later) Never before has clark got so emotionally attached to Lois Lane and never before has Lois said anything as revealing as: "Why settle for hot rich and famous when i can just hang out with you"...seriously..big old flag going up...this is somethin new..wil they use continuity when thyey meet again? Yes they do as i'll explain later. This deep and meaningful hug concerns the present situation and is not an anvil

Apocalypse - Clark learns that every woman in life is better off without him and have found their soulmates... except Lois Lane. In this episode Clark finds himself attached to Lois at the hip. He learns that Lois needs him in the future because if he was not there she'd be in a lot of trouble. And so he comes out of this with more of a pull towards Lois and Metropolis. As the writers say in TV guide with Apocalypse its made clear they are destined to be together in any reality. Clark sees this AU Lois swoon over him, find him attractive and he likes it. This gives him a glimpse of a future where he can be happy and have a purpose. He enters this reality wishing he was dead, shares some time with a Lois who clearly has a thing for him and needs him, he comes back ready and willing to accept his role as a protector.

RW Lois in this episode who was clearly taken by clark's support in Siren (continuity), right at the end does something she has never ever done before when it comes to clark Kent. After clark gives her a deep stare and comments on how good a friendshe is like he's done a few times before, THIS time something quite unique to her charcter happens. Lois Lane swoons over Clark Kent, notices she has and tries to pretend it didnt happen. And from this moment on she was NEVER the same around Clark, ever again.(continuity) Lois' little swoon over clark concerns the present situation and is not an anvil.

Arctic - Lois now seems to want to spend a lot of time with clark, If he works at the planet with her, she'll see him every day. She cares a great deal about him and his future too. By the end of it, it she runs in tears to comfort a cowering clark after his break up with Lana (mirrored continuity from Siren) this is a real deep and meaningful hug which concerns the present situation and is NOT an anvil.

Odyssey - Clark: "all i want to do is go home"...Clark actually calls Lois home a the end meaning these are feelings concerning the present situation, and not a future one. When lois sees clark for the first time ater a month, her expression is something I have never seen her do before when she first sees him, again is relevent to the present situation and not a future one. By the end of it, she looks as clark walks away and smiles at the thought of clark working opposite her, she has feelings for him and its written plainly across her face here. Again current feelings to a current situation. And is continuity from late season 7. Where her feelings first surfaced for him.

Plastique - She cant stop touching him, she jumps into his arms for protection, he notices this rather than the blast and is actually looking at her lips which are in close proximity to his own. She gets jealous of tess, oh and theres that look of deep attraction yet deep worry, as clark walks away acompanied by the first taster we get of clois' love theme tune this season. At the end, she's openly winking at him which I have never evr seen her do before. All these are NOt anvils but onscreen development and the result of continuity from past episodes.

Toxic - Clark feels deeply saddened for Lois, its written across his face, he cares for her a great deal more than he has ever shown before. Lois on the other hand looks as if she cant bare him touching her, not because she doesnt love him. Its because she does and doent want to. Something which Erica explained in an interview. Again all onscreen development and not anvils.

Instinct - deep bond, clark broken out of spell because of his deep bond, attraction afor her. Lois accepting she loves him. Thats all I have to say about that, Again not an anvil but something which is there at the present moment.

Committed - "do you love this man?" Lois - "YES" anvil? NO.

clark IMo is strutting in the DP when he thinks he's won Lois' affections only to be shot down and the dissapointment written clearly across his face as she does.

Lois to clark - "imagine where we'd be if you were asked that question (do you love this woman?)" People can read this scene in any way they want but one thing is undeniable IMO. Clark realizes somethng about Lois Lane after he ponders on this question and whatever it is, has stunned him so damn much that he cannot even move, he cannot even blink as she walks off or even flinch as the elevator doors nearly shut on his nose.:rotfl: he goes from smart ass smirk to -wait a minute to - OH MY GOD all in the matter of about 7 seconds. And from this moment on, he has not been the sme around Lois lane since. Mirrored continuity, clark is behind Lois however.
all these moments Anvils? nope, not by a long shot.

Identity - Clark confronted with Lois' naked back and lust is written across his face, then an awkwardness as he tries not to get too close, again not because he doesnt have feelings for her, but because he does and doesnt want to, as Erica durance explained, again mirrored continuity. A Jealous and territorial alpha male clark appears (confirmed y officila description) he appears when lois dates a male of "higher DP rank"..His position for a potential mate is threatened until she phones him for protection, He's the boss man. Clark smirking at the DP rather than comforting her about a bad date, smirking isn't something he would be seen doing pre-committed. Smirking means he feels he's personally gained something from Lois not getting a date with this man. Anvils? nope. development yes

Bloodline - Obvious caring for Lois in the PZ and vise versa his expression when she says she's moving in is different to the usual "oh NO" expression all signs that things have changed. Again we have mirrored continuity, Lois didnt want to move in with clark when her feeligs for clark were bursting forth and its now the same for clark. Faora confirms to the audiene that he has current feelings for Lois Lane. Not the human race, she's not talking about chloe, tess or olliverr no one else but Lois Lane its not an anvil its something current going on with clark when it comes to Lois:

she says and I quote: "you have feelings for this creature I inhabit"

You = you (Clark)
have = have (present tense)
feelings = Present tense feelings
for = for
this = this (present tense)
creature = singular person (Lois)
I = I
inhabit = possess

who is she inhabiting? LOIS no one else. Its spelled out for the audience right here, Clark Kent has current feelings for Lois Lane. not an anvil, nada.

kara again confirms later that Clark has let her close, its obvious right here that Lois is a love interest. He wants her to live with him so he can keep an eye onher, keep her safe. She saw clark as her night in shining armer in the PZ, clark likes this.

If you want to know why they are soulmates in terms of how they fit because of pesonality, I'll gove you an article on Lois lane and her character through the years in all forms of media and you can see that Clark and Lois of Smallville behave in the exact same way as they do in the comics as soulmates.

claudiss

11-08-2008, 05:50 PM

We know about Clark and Lois already. Instead of making character spouts ridiculous lines about how Clois are soulmates, show us that they are soulmates.

The worst thing is that there's plenty of anvils. They should just keep developing the relationship instead of relaying on future references.

I agree with this. I really like clois this season but sometimes I feel it´s too much, they still need to develop clois...making references all the time it´s not gonna make SV fans like clois better. It´s getting annoying, past seasons everytime there was a reference it at least made me smile...now idk.

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:03 PM

its not all anvil references, Clois has been building since late season seven as an onscreen development and in continuity...

Kalista

11-08-2008, 06:11 PM

I wish they would give Clark and Chloe's cousin some original material for their scenes. I'm tired of them rehashing the old stuff. Now they are giving them material from Spell. Sheesh.

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:13 PM

In spell was chloe/Lois inhabited by an aliens wife? looking for doomsday her son, did she try and kill clark?

Nope..she was inhabited by a dead cheerleader...I cant see how its possibly alike apart from possesion which has happened COUNTLESS times on the show with other characters like Lex etc etc..

and god now that we're talking about rehashing old material...jeese couldnt chloe be her own supervillain instead of rehashing brainiac?? talk about lack of ideas..jeese. Copy cat to the extreme

and on the soulmate note:
They are soulmates in the comics because:
1. They are opposites
2. Clark finds her fascinating and infuruating all at the same time, keeping him on his toes
3. She makes him (an alien) feel human by envoking the entire spectrum of human emotions within him often within the same scene.
4. She has very overblown human flaws, why flaws? because no TRUE human is perfect, we are human because we are imperfect and Lois is imperfect and again she brings out these imperfect human emotioms within clark, which makes him feel human.
5. they share a deep bond of love and attraction.
6. She being hard as nails has a very soft interior and needs someone who she can rely on to be there for her when she really needs it, who better than Superman/clark?

sound like Smallville's lois and clark?

yes on all counts.

Jade4813

11-08-2008, 06:13 PM

Deana

11-08-2008, 06:17 PM

Kalista

11-08-2008, 06:19 PM

copy cat to the extreme man.

IA Clark trying to appeal to Chloe's cousin through Faora. Faora telling Clark that he has feelings for the body she inhabits.

Yes, copy cat to the extreme indeed.

Jade4813

11-08-2008, 06:23 PM

Nope..she was inhabited by a dead cheerleader...I cant see how its possibly alike apart from possesion which has happened COUNTLESS times on the show with other characters like Lex etc etc..

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I wondered, but I get it now! ;)

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:24 PM

:confused: I don't remember that.

Did Clark say "Nobody's going to mess with Chloe and Clark" in Spell? All I remember about that episode is Clark stepping over everyone to get to Lana, truth be told. :lol: (Hey, it was pretty funny, when you think about it.)

he also punched chloe in the face full throttle and I have to say I'm shocked that she remained conscious...and didnt break anything..:lol:

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----

IA Clark trying to appeal to Chloe's cousin through Faora. Faora telling Clark that he has feelings for the body she inhabits.

Yes, copy cat to the extreme indeed.

chloe is a "rip off" of brainiac by the logic of "stealing scenes"..but you missed my point and sarcasm.

so you think only Lois Lane's shadow sorry chloe deserves to be appealed to by clark? too bad the cheerlear didnt say "you have feelings for this body i inhabit" because he didnt.

just friends of course.:cool: cheerleader knew what was what when it comes to Clark and Chloe.

Jade4813

11-08-2008, 06:30 PM

he also punched chloe in the face full throttle and I have to say I'm shocked that she remained conscious...and didnt break anything..:lol:

Really!?! I didn't remember that! :eek:

Oh...wait...was that when he gave that line that had me in stitches about the crown? :lol: Because that was a great line!

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

Wait...cheerleader...wasn't that "Spirit"? "Spell" was Lois, Chloe, and Lana being possessed by witches so Lana could get the stones of power and...speak in latin. Right?

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:32 PM

yep, he punched her in the face and she flew right across the room and he didnt show any particular care for doing so after he'd come back. Lana was all that was on his mind that day.

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yeah wait what one are we talking about here? ah yes spell

well that was NOTHING like Bloodline because a witch is not a phantom, everything is entierly different

and again witchy didnt say "you have feelings for this body I inhabit" in that scene where he appeals to her because he didnt, witchy knew what was what when it comes to clark and chloe..he has no feelings for her he sees her as just a friend.

I also took that scene in Spell as him trying to save his own skin by appealing to chloe, it was not because he was worried about her or cared about her, he just wanted chloe to snap out of it so she could help him, which is what she's always been, his sidekick. nothing more

with Lois, she was no direct threat to HIM in the moment he appealed to her, he said it was his fault and that he was sorry, it tore him apart to see it happening to her which then prompts what faora says about hsi feeligs for her

nothing like what he said to chloe..it wasnt even said in the same context

harryandginnyfanatic

11-08-2008, 06:40 PM

Wait, I thought the Dawn girl possessing Lois's cousin possessed Clark and then using Clark's body she sent Lois's cousin flying.

ginevrakent

11-08-2008, 06:45 PM

IA Clark trying to appeal to Chloe's cousin through Faora. Faora telling Clark that he has feelings for the body she inhabits.

Yes, copy cat to the extreme indeed.

I don't really see what is wrong with some slight parallels between previous scenes and those in Bloodline.

The way I see it, when Lana/Isobel told Clark that she knew that he had "desires for the body she inhabits," it was a true statement--Clark loved and desired Lana.

Fast forward to Bloodline and when Lois/Faora states something similar, what she says is equally true.

This leaves us with knowing two facts: Lois has romantic feelings for Clark (Committed) and Clark has romantic feelings for Lois.

So thank you for pointing out the parallels, because by looking at them it becomes clear that Lois and Clark care for each other very much. It is mutual, unlike another desired pairing on the show where one girl pined, but never had her feelings reciprocated.

By the way, her name is LOIS. Chloe's cousin could also refer to Lucy Lane, so I'm a bit confused why you keep talking about Lucy.

Anyway, back on topic. The line "No one messes with Lois and Clark" was a bit in your face, but this show has never been subtle. If it had just been a throwaway line I would think it was too much and out of place, but considering Lois and Clark were facing their deaths and Lois was freaking out, I thought it was a nice touch. Perhaps it was even TPTB's covert way of reassuring Cloisers that even though Lana is returning, and Lois will be absent that no obstacle will be too much for this legendary couple to overcome.

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:45 PM

yeah, it wasnt clark, but it was his strength. What i found most notable was how she didnt get knocked out and how she got up perfectly fine lol

Violet-Shadow

11-08-2008, 06:47 PM

I don't really see what is wrong with some slight parallels between previous scenes and those in Bloodline.

The way I see it, when Lana/Isobel told Clark that she knew that he had "desires for the body she inhabits," it was a true statement--Clark loved and desired Lana.

Fast forward to Bloodline and when Lois/Faora states something similar, what she says is equally true.

This leaves us with knowing two facts: Lois has romantic feelings for Clark (Committed) and Clark has romantic feelings for Lois.

So thank you for pointing out the parallels, because by looking at them it becomes clear that Lois and Clark care for each other very much. It is mutual, unlike another desired pairing on the show where one girl pined, but never had her feelings reciprocated.

By the way, her name is LOIS. Chloe's cousin could also refer to Lucy Lane, so I'm a bit confused why you keep talking about Lucy.

Anyway, back on topic. The line "No one messes with Lois and Clark" was a bit in your face, but this show has never been subtle. If it had just been a throwaway line I would think it was too much and out of place, but considering Lois and Clark were facing their deaths and Lois was freaking out, I thought it was a nice touch. Perhaps it was even TPTB's covert way of reassuring Cloisers that even though Lana is returning, and Lois will be absent that no obstacle will be too much for this legendary couple to overcome.

Nice post! ITA.:D

And thank you for pointing out that "Chloe's Cousin" could also refer to Lucy.

DontCha

11-08-2008, 06:51 PM

ginervakent. i dont even see it as the same.

The two scenes were different and the contexts were different It was Spell which was mentioned but for some reason my mind went to spirit lol.

Chloe in Spell and the other two have clark pinned down and are trying to kill him when he appeals to chloe to save his own skin. He's not begging her to snap out of it because he's being torn up by her being possessed, he's trying to make her snap out of it so she can help him. And the witch doesnt say "you have feelings for chloe" she just laughs in his face. And by the end of it, he steps over chloe (and Lois) to save lana lol.

With Lois In bloodline she is no direct threat to him at THAT particular moment and he's not appealing to her for help...he's apologizing because its tearing him up to see her like that. he cant stand to see her that way because he has feelings for her. He thinks he's lost her. Which promps faora to mention the feelings he has for Lois.

the scene where she's got him pined on the car however, is similar to spell and his appeal to chloe. but when faora says he has feelings for Lois it is in a totaly different situation and totally different context.

EDIt - ah Lana, yes he says it to her, which again indicates (like you said) that the love interest this season is Lois lane much like lana Lang was back in S4

so thanks for pointing it out Kalista..makes me all fuzzy inside.

Jade4813

11-08-2008, 06:52 PM

If it had just been a throwaway line I would think it was too much and out of place, but considering Lois and Clark were facing their deaths and Lois was freaking out, I thought it was a nice touch. Perhaps it was even TPTB's covert way of reassuring Cloisers that even though Lana is returning, and Lois will be absent that no obstacle will be too much for this legendary couple to overcome.

I agree. The only thing I would say, though, is that I understand that they're wanting to do a really cool line (for possible trailer use) but I hope this is the last time either Lois or Clark refers to themselves in the third person in order to make that soundbite.

I think they could have accomplished the same Clois shoutout by having Clark say, "Nothing is going to mess with us! Together, we're stronger than anything, you got that?"

Just a personal critique. I don't mind it, and I like the shoutout. I just hope they manage to avoid this sort of third-person statement in the future! :)

migo

11-08-2008, 06:53 PM

ginevrakent

11-08-2008, 07:01 PM

ginervakent. i dont even see it as the same.

The two scenes were different and the contexts were different It was Spell which was mentioned but for some reason my mind went to spirit lol.

Oh, well I don't think that the scenes were the same. I just wanted to point out the significance in the one similarity that I could identify.

No problem with confusing Spell and Spirit. I've done it myself.

Chloe in Spell and the other two have clark pinned down and are trying to kill him when he appeals to chloe to save his own skin. He's not begginf her to snap out of it because he's being torn up by her being possessed, he's trying to make her snap out of it so she can help him. And the witch doesnt say "you have feelings for chloe" she just laughs in his face. And by the end of it, he steps over chloe (and Lois) to save lana lol.

I do remember Chloe, Lois, and Lana pinning Clark down. It's just that I went to rewatch the scene and Isobel does say to Clark (without him appealing to the Lana inside her) that she is aware that he has feelings for the "body she inhabits" i.e. Lana's.

Clark's conversation with possessed Chloe doesn't seem relevant or similar to me at all to what happened in Bloodline. As you say, he was showing more concern for his own well-being than Chloe's at that moment.

With Lois In bloodline she is no direct threat to him at THAT particular moment and he's not appealing to her for help...he's apologizing because its tearing him up to see her like that. he cant stand to see her that way because he has feelings for her. He thinks he's lost her. Which promps faora to mention the feelings he has for Lois.

That is definitely how I saw it as well. I hope that I didn't give the impression that I felt otherwise. The way that his face betrayed fear and sadness when Faora said "You're too late Kal-el" as Lana had in Veritas, showed how deep his feelings were for Lois.

ETA: I just saw that you noticed about Lana saying it in Spell. Sorry for repeating myself, then. I feel all fuzzy inside too. Thanks Kalista!

DontCha

11-08-2008, 07:03 PM

ginevrakent

11-08-2008, 07:06 PM

I think they could have accomplished the same Clois shoutout by having Clark say, "Nothing is going to mess with us! Together, we're stronger than anything, you got that?"

Just a personal critique. I don't mind it, and I like the shoutout. I just hope they manage to avoid this sort of third-person statement in the future! :)

That's a good point. I like your alternative line. I mean the one in the episode was fun, and I can see the writers in the writers' room squeeing at the idea of inserting the line, but perhaps they could show some restraint in the future now that we all know that "no one's going to mess with Lois and Clark." :D

DontCha

11-08-2008, 07:10 PM

I prefer your alternate line Jade.

Jade4813

11-08-2008, 07:11 PM

That's a good point. I like your alternative line. I mean the one in the episode was fun, and I can see the writers in the writers' room squeeing at the idea of inserting the line, but perhaps they could show some restraint in the future now that we all know that "no one's going to mess with Lois and Clark." :D

They seem to be making a point to make that very clear this season! :D

ginevrakent

11-08-2008, 07:14 PM

LOL Ginervakent I just realized I think kalista meant Lana that entire post of mine was a misreading, I read the top part of your post and felt compelled to answer, should have read the entire thing..my bad lol..I've just confused matters a great deal on this thread LMAO

and I agree with you, it indicates that Lois is the love interest this year much like Lana was back in S4

gotta love the parallels

Hey, no worries! I liked reading your analysis of Spell and Spirit...especially Spirit. There are some nice moments in that episode, including one of our first glimpses at a Clark Kent attracted to the very beautiful (and pink) Lois Lane. We even got an almost dance which is going to become a real dance in Bride. It was also nice to have my memory refreshed of Tom Welling acting like a beauty queen for a few seconds (so funny!).

Yes, I love the parallels too. I think we're going to see more echoes of previous seasons--not to rehash stale storylines, but to juxtapose situations. In doing so, what ends up being highlighted is what makes Clois so special and so profound.

Sweetie

11-08-2008, 07:33 PM

I loved it!!!So classical and really sweet :)

dimeo782002

11-08-2008, 09:54 PM

its not all anvil references, Clois has been building since late season seven as an onscreen development and in continuity...

it's obviously a matter of opinion to people . i saw friendship before with attraction from lois's end . but she says she stillloves ollie then one or two episodes later she loves clark ?:confused:

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In spell was chloe/Lois inhabited by an aliens wife? looking for doomsday her son, did she try and kill clark?

Nope..she was inhabited by a dead cheerleader...I cant see how its possibly alike apart from possesion which has happened COUNTLESS times on the show with other characters like Lex etc etc..

and god now that we're talking about rehashing old material...jeese couldnt chloe be her own supervillain instead of rehashing brainiac?? talk about lack of ideas..jeese. Copy cat to the extreme

and on the soulmate note:
They are soulmates in the comics because:
1. They are opposites
2. Clark finds her fascinating and infuruating all at the same time, keeping him on his toes
3. She makes him (an alien) feel human by envoking the entire spectrum of human emotions within him often within the same scene.
4. She has very overblown human flaws, why flaws? because no TRUE human is perfect, we are human because we are imperfect and Lois is imperfect and again she brings out these imperfect human emotioms within clark, which makes him feel human.
5. they share a deep bond of love and attraction.
6. She being hard as nails has a very soft interior and needs someone who she can rely on to be there for her when she really needs it, who better than Superman/clark?

sound like Smallville's lois and clark?

yes on all counts.

in the comics yes but i still don't feel it on smallville IMHO.
to each there own .

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IA Clark trying to appeal to Chloe's cousin through Faora. Faora telling Clark that he has feelings for the body she inhabits.

Yes, copy cat to the extreme indeed.

exactly thats was issabelle said to clark as she kissed while he was tied to the post in spell.

individuall

11-08-2008, 10:19 PM

it's obviously a matter of opinion to people . i saw friendship before with attraction from lois's end . but she says she stillloves ollie then one or two episodes later she loves clark ?:confused:

You can love someone without being IN love with them..It's something ED herself addressed in one of her many interviews (please don't ask which one...I can't remember there were too many...But I'll find it if you want me too..) She still cares about Ollie, as we saw in 'Toxic' and yes, when she thought he was going to die she rethought her decision about breaking up with him, but once he was better she didn't get back with him because she knew they broke up for a reason and she was no longer in love with him...

4Clana

11-09-2008, 12:09 PM

I loved the line and actually did not see it as an anvil. It was Clark reminding Lois that she was tough as nails and with him with her . . . nothing could defeat them and it worked. Who did Lois call in the previous episode for help when she was in trouble? Clark so she must feel safe with him. Lois feels safe with Clark. Clark reminded Lois that she is safe with him. Nobody messes with Lois and Clark of Smallville and prevails.

One can see it as an anvil for the future if the choose too. One can even see it as homage to the show Lois and Clark, but the phrase is also true of Smallville's Lois and Clark. They have been through some horrible stuff together and made it out of it just like they did tonight.

IA, I don't think it was an anvil. It's what their relationship is right now (present). They *are* partners. They were going to move in together. Lois calls Clark when she's in trouble. And Clark comes to her rescue. It's Lois and Clark spending time together at the DP, Lois and Clark spending time together at the farm, Lois and Clark spending time together looking for a ring, etc... Lois and Clark. They make a great team :D

oh btw I liked the line "no one's gonna mess with Lois and Clark" and Tom delivered it really well :)

disciples of zod

11-09-2008, 12:23 PM

i'm voting for that line for "best line" on the k-site awards! it was a great line, and a great moment, too!

~H

DontCha

11-09-2008, 06:02 PM

in the comics yes but i still don't feel it on smallville IMHO.
to each there own .

So, in smallville with lois and clark:

1. Lois and clark are not opposites?
2. She doesnt annoy him and fascinate him at the same time?
3. Lois has never made the emotions: like, love, hate, lust, jealousy, happiness, annoyance and anger arise in him, often at the same time?
4. Lois is portrayed as a saint?
5. the deeper bond they share was not actually mentioned in Instinct?
6. Lois is soft as a baby all the time and only occasionly has a hard interior?

Bizarrolover

11-09-2008, 06:39 PM

I think this line is a reinforcement of the 'we do make a good team'' Lois said in the elevator in 'Committed'. They are a great team and no one is going to mess with them.

Fallen One

11-09-2008, 06:45 PM

What makes this powerful quote even better is their Superman theme playing in the background while Clark tells her this. Thats been their theme the whole season. Everytime I hear it the fanboy in me smiles like crazy.

dimeo782002

11-09-2008, 10:04 PM

So, in smallville with lois and clark:

1. Lois and clark are not opposites?
2. She doesnt annoy him and fascinate him at the same time?
3. Lois has never made the emotions: like, love, hate, lust, jealousy, happiness, annoyance and anger arise in him, often at the same time?
4. Lois is portrayed as a saint?
5. the deeper bond they share was not actually mentioned in Instinct?
6. Lois is soft as a baby all the time and only occasionly has a hard interior?

i just don't feel it . okay im sorry it upsets people but i cannot change how i feel. im happy for everyone that feels they are the same and feel they have that chemistry but it doesn't work for me at this point.

sorry to offend anyone but i cannot help what attracts me and what doesn't and i understand you tryiong to make your point but it's not gonna change my mind.

it's just my opinion . im not saying she is bad and im not bashing her , it'sjust my opinion and i don't feel butterfly's in my stomach with these two. sorry... wait scratch that im not apologizing for not agreeing with anyone.

i respect your passion and i respect you defending your ship but it will not chnage the fact that they don't turn me on ship wise.

as friends they are funny and cute at times but i don't feel for them as a couple. besides this is getting off subject . why must this always be a debate ? can't people like different things ??

WickedJenn

11-09-2008, 10:07 PM

i just don't feel it . okay im sorry it upsets people but i cannot change how i feel. im happy for everyone that feels they are the same and feel they have that chemistry but it doesn't work for me at this point.

sorry to offend anyone but i cannot help what attracts me and what doesn't and i understand you tryiong to make your point but it's not gonna change my mind.

it's just my opinion . im not saying she is bad and im not bashing her , it'sjust my opinion and i don't feel butterfly's in my stomach with these two. sorry... wait scratch that im not apologizing for not agreeing with anyone.

i respect your passion and i respect you defending your ship but it will not chnage the fact that they don't turn me on ship wise.

as friends they are funny and cute at times but i don't feel for them as a couple. besides this is getting off subject . why must this always be a debate ? can't people like different things ??

And that is perfectly ok for you to feel that way, and you put it very nicely :)

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What makes this powerful quote even better is their Superman theme playing in the background while Clark tells her this. Thats been their theme the whole season. Everytime I hear it the fanboy in me smiles like crazy.

Tell me about it, I was practically drooling.

I love how much they're playing that theme this year.

dimeo782002

11-09-2008, 10:18 PM

[QUOTE=WickedJenn;4146905]And that is perfectly ok for you to feel that way, and you put it very nicely :)

:) thank you .

LCforever

11-10-2008, 12:38 AM

who is she inhabiting? LOIS no one else. Its spelled out for the audience right here, Clark Kent has current feelings for Lois Lane. not an anvil, nada.

kara again confirms later that Clark has let her close, its obvious right here that Lois is a love interest. He wants her to live with him so he can keep an eye onher, keep her safe. She saw clark as her night in shining armer in the PZ, clark likes this.

Wow, right on! ITA!!! CLARK HAS FEELINGS FOR LOIS, THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!

Now the question is.. when will he reveal his feelings for her??!?!?!? :eek:

iamcloisfan

11-10-2008, 02:04 AM

i couldn't stop smiling because of it...classic line!

my clois heart was very ecstatic!

SteveS

11-10-2008, 12:08 PM

Yep, lois was breaking down into a full-fledged panic mode just like in the meteor shower and ClarkMan had to save her weak mind and body yet once again. It was a poor throw-away line.

Alicia Chipy

11-10-2008, 12:29 PM

Yep, lois was breaking down into a full-fledged panic mode just like in the meteor shower and ClarkMan had to save her weak mind and body yet once again. It was a poor throw-away line.

I'd be in full panic mode too if I woke up in hostile alien landscape surrounded by putrefying corpses.
To her credit she wanted to stay with Clark and help him.Ease up on the poor girl already.

miks

11-10-2008, 12:32 PM

I love that line most because 2 seconds later, Lois gets knocked on her ass. Now that's classic Lois.:lol:

harryandginnyfanatic

11-10-2008, 05:15 PM

i'm voting for that line for "best line" on the k-site awards! it was a great line, and a great moment, too!

~H

Wouldn't surprise me if it won.

asellus

11-10-2008, 05:59 PM

It was like saying breathe Lois breathe! They are now officially a team since Clark thinks so. I loved how she just didn't want to leave Clark behind either.

DontCha

11-10-2008, 06:12 PM

People can love two people at the same time

she's getting over Olliver and falling hard for clark thats obvious

Jade4813

11-10-2008, 06:13 PM

Both true and said to comfort her.

Our boy really does know our girl, doesn't he? :D

DontCha

11-10-2008, 06:14 PM

i just don't feel it . okay im sorry it upsets people but i cannot change how i feel. im happy for everyone that feels they are the same and feel they have that chemistry but it doesn't work for me at this point.

sorry to offend anyone but i cannot help what attracts me and what doesn't and i understand you tryiong to make your point but it's not gonna change my mind.

it's just my opinion . im not saying she is bad and im not bashing her , it'sjust my opinion and i don't feel butterfly's in my stomach with these two. sorry... wait scratch that im not apologizing for not agreeing with anyone.

i respect your passion and i respect you defending your ship but it will not chnage the fact that they don't turn me on ship wise.

as friends they are funny and cute at times but i don't feel for them as a couple. besides this is getting off subject . why must this always be a debate ? can't people like different things ??

hey its cool. Im not trying to change anyones opinion Im just debating is all :)

hyped4lnc

11-10-2008, 08:12 PM

Both true and said to comfort her.

Our boy really does know our girl, doesn't he? :D
He does. He used her vanity to calm her down.

Jade4813

11-10-2008, 09:30 PM

Her vanity?

I would say the comfort of having someone by your side. And the thought that the two of you are stronger than anything that could happen.

And, happily, they are! :D

hyped4lnc

11-10-2008, 09:52 PM

Her vanity?

I would say the comfort of having someone by your side. And the thought that the two of you are stronger than anything that could happen.

And, happily, they are! :D
That too, but you know Lois thinks she is invincible. No matter how many times she gets knocked out, she still thinks she is the best. :lol:

Jade4813

11-10-2008, 10:18 PM

:lol: Well, false modesty has never been her strong suit, I confess. :D

As I happen to think she's just about the coolest thing ever, though, I could hardly argue with her! ;)

abbaspice1

11-11-2008, 06:31 AM

Yep, lois was breaking down into a full-fledged panic mode just like in the meteor shower and ClarkMan had to save her weak mind and body yet once again. It was a poor throw-away line.

Um, she is in a strange world with strange creatures. She was at at the KEnt farm one second, and in a blink of an eye is in a totally different place.

Sorry, I think it would have been WEIRD if she didn't panic. And most people with any healthy sense of self and safety would have also.

Clarky123

11-11-2008, 06:35 AM

well, ive thought about it, and Lois has always thought of clark as a really great guy, (witch we noticed in the episode Hypnotic) anyways since Lois aint the type of girl who steals a boyfriend from a friend i dont think she ever thought of clark that way or atleast supressed it, and no when it's "all Clear" theirs nothing stopping her except her self cuz she ovisoly dosent like beeing "weak" like that,

Sorry for the bad spelling i only got an B in english (A) :P

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 06:42 AM

He does. He used her vanity to calm her down.

The first time I've heard that, and I totally agree with you. He would just say you're better than this and Lois would be yeah of course I am, and then be totally over it.

DontCha

11-11-2008, 07:52 AM

That too, but you know Lois thinks she is invincible. No matter how many times she gets knocked out, she still thinks she is the best. :lol:

she didnt seem particularly vain in the PZ..she was freaking out and even after this line she still wanted to remain beside clark for protection. She obviously didnt think she was the best in THIS scenario, hence the fact she even called him her "knight in shining armour"

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 07:55 AM

she didnt seem particularly vain in the PZ..she was freaking out.

What about when she said her and Kara should go back and help Clark. I think there was a wee bit of vain in there. Like what use is she goin to be against Phantoms

DontCha

11-11-2008, 07:56 AM

Um, she is in a strange world with strange creatures. She was at at the KEnt farm one second, and in a blink of an eye is in a totally different place.

Sorry, I think it would have been WEIRD if she didn't panic. And most people with any healthy sense of self and safety would have also.

Oh but dont you understand, Lois isnt allowed to be weak, but at the same time she's not allowed to be strong..she's not allowed to be protected by clark..its soooo annoying that she does it..:rolleyes: pretty much she's not allowed to be anything but a vegetable.

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What about when she said her and Kara should go back and help Clark. I think there was a wee bit of vain in there. Like what use is she goin to be against Phantoms

vanity? firstly she doesnt know what the heck a phantom is

she wanted to help clark because she loves him, she hears he's in trouble and all thought of self safety goes out the window and she literally jumps to go and help him..she then refuses to leave without Clark not because she wants to prove she is the best at fighting. But because she loves him.

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 08:55 AM

firstly she doesnt know what the heck a phantom is

I know, but you know what I mean, if she went out and beat some phantoms ass, you dont think she'd give Clark a good old punch in the arm and boast about her saving him??

Sv.LoisLane

11-11-2008, 09:19 AM

That too, but you know Lois thinks she is invincible. No matter how many times she gets knocked out, she still thinks she is the best. :lol:

I don't think it's vanity. It's the way her father trained her just as Lionel trained Lex not to accept defeat. Unlike Lex, she knows when to let her emotions show (Committed), call for help (Identity) or simply let go (Bloodline: Arabian Nights :lol:).

Tompouce

11-11-2008, 09:32 AM

Did anyone pick up on the "Lois and Clark" comment that Clark made in the Phantom Zone? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like the first time he ever referred to him and Lois in that way.
Yesssssss I noticed it and I have jumped into the roof (I don't know if you say it in english but in french it means I was waoooooooooooooooow:D)It was my favorite moment, this and Lois who fainted on Clark when they are on the car's roof, I was very happy, at last in couple !:p:rotfl:

Smallvillebabe08

11-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Did anyone pick up on the "Lois and Clark" comment that Clark made in the Phantom Zone? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like the first time he ever referred to him and Lois in that way.

YESSS!!! :) and i loved it!!

geminis

11-11-2008, 09:53 AM

I don't get this being upset over the names thing. I mean, what would you have them call each other, hey you? Pitbull? Poodle? Pumpkin? Muffin? Lois is undeniably Lois and Clark is also without a doubt Clark. And there are always going to be references to the past as well as anvils for the future. It's a given because Lois and Clark have a long history as well as a long future. Together.

Tom delivered that line perfectly and Erica responded just as perfectly. Lois doesn't usually freak out; Clark was being sensitive to her feelings but also encouraging her. He knows she prefers to be the tough girl. No anvil, just the two of them showing genuine caring and understanding of each other and their feelings.

DontCha

11-11-2008, 10:13 AM

I know, but you know what I mean, if she went out and beat some phantoms ass, you dont think she'd give Clark a good old punch in the arm and boast about her saving him??

No I think she'd grab him and try desperately force him out of the portal with her

in the PZ This was Lois Lane, totally stipped down to her bare essense. What you usually see when she or clark are not under threat is a wall of sarcasm and pride covering her emotions. But when the chips are down and its a life or death situation we see her vulnerable and caring side come out infront of clark, something she'd usually hide. Twice now in season 8 this has happened, once in committed and now in Bloodline

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 10:33 AM

Twice now in season 8 this has happened, once in committed and now in Bloodline

Yeah, but after committed, didn't she go on to totally deny those feelings. Because of her vanity, she wants to give the impression that shes better than that.

totally stipped down to her bare essense. What you usually see when she or clark are not under threat is a wall of sarcasm and pride covering her emotions. But when the chips are down and its a life or death situation we see her vulnerable and caring side come out infront of clark, something she'd usually hide.

Exactly, therfore shes vain! Constantly boasting how good she is, but when it boils down, shes not very useful to Clark at all.:)

DontCha

11-11-2008, 10:38 AM

yes, and she did the same in Bloodline, she hid the feelings again but this time clark knows for certain that it was a real situation and those were real feelings. She really does see him as her Knight in shining armor, he's got the hint now, that deep down, underneath it all, she cares about him alot. She just hides it when not under pressure lol.

She wasnt being vain in the Phantom Zone at all...that was my original point

she is vain in normal situations but when it all comes down to it, you see that she really doesnt have a lot of confidence in herself and cares deeply for clark and not herself.

Tompouce

11-11-2008, 10:50 AM

No I think she'd grab him and try desperately force him out of the portal with her

in the PZ This was Lois Lane, totally stipped down to her bare essense. What you usually see when she or clark are not under threat is a wall of sarcasm and pride covering her emotions. But when the chips are down and its a life or death situation we see her vulnerable and caring side come out infront of clark, something she'd usually hide. Twice now in season 8 this has happened, once in committed and now in Bloodline
And also in "identity" when she phoned Clark because she was in trouble...Well, I am very happy because both of them said "lois and clark" (lois to maxima "there is nothing romantic between lois and clark") and NOW Clark, this is love, this love...;)

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 10:53 AM

Sv.LoisLane

11-11-2008, 11:06 AM

I know she wasn't vain in the PZ, but naturally she is 99.99999% of the time.

Therefore when CK said "No ones gonna mess with Lois and Clark", do you not agree this was a very uncharacteristic line from CK? A remark alot more likely to come from Lois "no ones gonna mess with Lois". Agree?

Therefore Clark was feeding herself one of her own lines, to which Lois would think, back to what shes like 99.9999999% of the time, ""hell no"". Clark is intentionally trying to get her to act tough like she always does, and is relying on her vanity to do that.

Therefore the original argument was that 'he calmed her with her own vanity'. Her natural vanity, not the vanity in the PZ, because she had none, but Clark was trying to induce that vanity, to give herself the strength she needed to survive. He was trying to revive the the old Lois.

Anyway this was what I thought the reason for him to say that line was and thats the best way I can describe it to you.:)

Sorry if I dont make sense.:\

See.. maybe I get the meaning of vanity wrong, but IMO it is, like you said, a natural thing. It's in one's nature.
Lois isn't vain. She pretends to be, because of her past, because of her father, because of a lot of things. Vain people think they are better than everyone else, Lois, on the contrary, knows she's weak and only human, but won't allow that to stay in her way and let others overpower her. Vain people truly believe they are superior, Lois needs to believe that.

And Clark didn't use that line because he knows she's vain (which she isn't), IMO. He could have just as well said "No one messes with Lois" and get that reaction from her. Why add "and Clark" too?
He thinks they are a team, he is as weak as her in the Zone with the only advantage that he has been there before. He needs to feel safe too and the two of them feel safe (and at home :D) only when they are with each other.

Also, vain people are shallow and.. empty. No one is going to make me think Lois is like that. She isn't usless to Clark. In fact, I can recall a lot of moments where, had she not been there, we'd now be watching a completely different show.

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-11-2008, 11:22 AM

See.. maybe I get the meaning of vanity wrong, but IMO it is, like you said, a natural thing. It's in one's nature.
Lois isn't vain. She pretends to be, because of her past, because of her father, because of a lot of things. Vain people think they are better than everyone else,

Maybe you have, I take vain as meaning, believing you are better than what you actually are, not better than everyone else. Thats what I mean by Clark installing vanity in her, to give her, her self confidence back, that she always has.

Therefore when you believe shes not vain, you're thinking shes not this arrogant boasting person, with a chip on her shoulder. I definitely dont think so either. At least we can agree on one thing.:D

When I say shes vain, she has this front of what looks like great self confidence, but she is actually hiding the fact she is weak underneath it all. Whether shes vain or not all depends on whether she would admit that shes weaker than what she makes people believe and would admit to putting up these fronts, or she is unaware of this and truly believes shes strong. Stronger than what she actually is.Most of the times she doesn't, but some times she does, although very begrudgingly.

PS thanks for the quick reply. I might get your following one, which I'm sure there will be, but I might be gone. I'll catch up later anyway.:pNice chat:)

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She has more confidence than Clark himself, and totally unjustified. Therefore vain.

Sv.LoisLane

11-11-2008, 11:41 AM

Maybe you have, I take vain as meaning, believing you are better than what you actually are, not better than everyone else. Thats what I mean by Clark installing vanity in her, to give her, her self confidence back, that she always has.

Therefore when you believe shes not vain, you're thinking shes not this arrogant boasting person, with a chip on her shoulder. I definitely dont think so either. At least we can agree on one thing.:D

When I say shes vain, she has this front of what looks like great self confidence, but she is actually hiding the fact she is weak underneath it all. Whether shes vain or not all depends on whether she would admit that shes weaker than what she makes people believe and would admit to putting up these fronts, or she is unaware of this and truly believes shes strong. Stronger than what she actually is.Most of the times she doesn't, but some times she does, although very begrudgingly.

PS thanks for the quick reply. I might get your following one, which I'm sure there will be, but I might be gone. I'll catch up later anyway.:pNice chat:)

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She has more confidence than Clark himself, and totally unjustified. Therefore vain.

:lol: Well at least we agree on that. Anyway... here's what the dictionary tells me:

Vain:
Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.
having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
an attitude of self-conceited arrogance

I've always seen it as something that's already there and that one doesn't feel the need to use as a defence mechanism, as Lois does in this case.

Tompouce

11-11-2008, 11:55 AM

Illuminati

11-11-2008, 01:18 PM

I think it is a defence mechanism almost all the time, it is the way Lois is but it is sometimes very intenable. This is the character but there is only one man who can stand it : CK. Seriously, in true life if you have someone like Lois by your side, the only way is to strangle her or to avoid her (even if everyone knows that Lois is a good person, ...)

I think he stands her attitude partly because he knows that she's not really serious with her vain behavior, he knows how her past was like and therefore understand this is some kind of defense mechanism. Even if he didn't I don't think he'd strangle her anyway :D but he'd avoid her for sure.

Sweetie

11-11-2008, 01:19 PM

Lois was raised by an army general,it's natural she develloped pride,self-estimed and confidence.But,underneath her tough image there's still a little girl who wants to be loved and take care off(lack of parenthood).Everyone likes to know that there is someone who they can count on if something bad happens.

SteveS

11-11-2008, 01:31 PM

"Vain:
Excessively proud of one's appearance or accomplishments; conceited.
having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
an attitude of self-conceited arrogance"

Well, looks like from the definition above, BadaBingBadaDoomsday called it right, vanity is one of the characteristics of Smallville's version of lois. Her salary increase with no reason, well, duh, she's lois Lane. As a young teenager, she drank general's under the table, etc., etc.

Or one might call it a self-centered egocentric personality. TPTB would have done better to re-define lois with better qualities and characteristics than they have, otherwise Tompouce has it right: "Seriously, in true life if you have someone like Lois by your side, the only way is to strangle her or to avoid her." A truer statement about lois is rarely made on this webside.

The comic world is so out of touch with reality, that its influence pulls down the quality of characters that viewers feel so strongly about.

Nice calls Tompounce and BadaBingBadaDoomsday.

Sv.LoisLane

11-11-2008, 01:35 PM

^ Well, it depends on how deep one wants to understand her actions. I see them as a facade, other see them as her trueself. I'm not going to change my opinion, they aren't going to change theirs.

Tompouce

11-11-2008, 02:43 PM

Oh I just want to say I have nothing against Lois character. It was just because everyone was speaking about the way she acts. We all know Lois is tough, rude,...but we also know she is deeply good as Clark is. It was not to say "I like her or I don't". In true life, things are obviously different but this kind of show exists and has fans BECAUSE it isn't true life : everything is possible in SV or Superman (powers, feelings,...)that is what it is done so let's have fun;)
And Illuminati, sure Clark wouldn't strangle Lois but are you sure sometimes he doesn't think about it ?:D

Illuminati

11-11-2008, 04:13 PM

And Illuminati, sure Clark wouldn't strangle Lois but are you sure sometimes he doesn't think about it ?:D

Of course yes, but in a "second-degree" way, not for real. I think that somehow a part of him likes that, not because he's masochist, but because he knows she doesn't taunt him meanly like she'd do if she actually hated and/or despised him. If he thought so I think he would have been ignoring/avoiding her since, despite his natural kindness. Also Lois' spikes were never REALLY 'hard', she never betrayed him, tried to destroy him or something like that.

It's like long run friends who sometimes gently taunt at each other (this is a quite male-specific behavior, but we know that Lois sometimes acts like a man, because of the general, the army and stuff), they know it ain't serious so they don't get mad about it.

Some girls also act this way with the guys they love without daring to confess their feelings, I was confronted to such cases three times already so I know that exists LOL (for the anecdote, the first time it happened to me I was light-years away from realizing what such behavior actually meant... just like Clark actually, excepted I was twice younger than him :rotfl:, weird female psychology hehe).

For the 90's childs like me, just remember the "Hey Arnold" cartoon if you want to picture what I mean. Some people here dislike the Lois character for that reason IMO, not only because they're Clana fans (:D), but because they take Lois' attitude at the 1st degree so they think she's some mean bi-tch or something like that. But nothing's farther from the truth, just be a little less egocentric: what may seem weird to you can make sense to others.

It works the same way with the Clois. CK surely prefers being taunted rather than being ignored, be it whether consciously or subconsciously, and he doesn't even realize it himself because he believes that he only likes the lana-like sugar relationships, that's why he doesn't know what to do and what to think about all of this, he can't explain himself why he feels attracted to someone which the behavior is the exact opposite to what his ideals are. Whether I'm wrong or not, one thing is sure: Lois' behavior managed to catch his attention.

DontCha

11-11-2008, 05:18 PM

I know she wasn't vain in the PZ, but naturally she is 99.99999% of the time.
I agree. Which is why I love her, but I love it more when she shows her true self to clark :)

Therefore when CK said "No ones gonna mess with Lois and Clark", do you not agree this was a very uncharacteristic line from CK? A remark alot more likely to come from Lois "no ones gonna mess with Lois". Agree?

I didnt see it as uncharacteristic because by this point, he's got deeper feelings for her.

Therefore Clark was feeding herself one of her own lines, to which Lois would think, back to what shes like 99.9999999% of the time, ""hell no"". Clark is intentionally trying to get her to act tough like she always does, and is relying on her vanity to do that.

If he was appealing to her vanity im sure he'd say "no ones gonna mess with Lois" but he doesnt, he adds himself into the equation. he's trying to reassure her that together they are stronger than anythong, he needs her she needs him and all that malarky.

Therefore the original argument was that 'he calmed her with her own vanity'. Her natural vanity, not the vanity in the PZ, because she had none, but Clark was trying to induce that vanity, to give herself the strength she needed to survive. He was trying to revive the the old Lois.
Still I dont see the line as him calling on her own vanity because if he was he wouldnt mention his own name.

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^ Well, it depends on how deep one wants to understand her actions. I see them as a facade, other see them as her trueself. I'm not going to change my opinion, they aren't going to change theirs.

It is a facade, her true self is not vain at all. Her true self only comes out when theers nothing left to lose but her life or someone elses who she cares about.

abbaspice1

11-11-2008, 05:39 PM

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 06:01 AM

I see them as a facade, other see them as her trueself.

It is a facade, her true self is not vain at all. Her true self only comes out when theers nothing left to lose but her life or someone elses who she cares about.

How do you know it is a facade? When she acts like this 99% of the time, thats what you would get in your face 99% of the time, and I know that I would soon think shes like that all of the time.

How do you know its not her trueself? Just because she goes all weak the other 1%, people say, 'thats her true self the other times (99%) is a facade put on by Lois to make people think shes strong'.

I judge people by what I see of them the most of the time, and because I see vain Lois most of the time I take it that she is naturally like this. ((Even if shes not naturally vain, it doesn't matter because thats what she'll be like if you talked to her.)) Shes even vain to her cousin!

You always hear people saying before they go onto reality TV shows (Im not overly obsessive about them), 'you have to be yourself, because you cant keep up an act all of the time', 'Its easier to be yourself, not someone else'. Whats easier for Lois?? QED

On the flip side, how do you not know, the weak Lois is not a facade?????? When she gets into trouble and out of her depth, she turns the sympathy vote on and turns on this facade of 'help me Clark, "im beat", I need your help'. She turns it on to get what she wants, not because she is naturally like this. Some women, and I definitely do not accuse any female posters of this, are quite devious like that, and have a great survival instinct to get what they want when they need it.

Clark the BDA falls for this and goes to her rescue. Other people would say 'Lois, ha, the gal who cryed wolf. If shes so tough, let her sort herself out!' Maybe she would then think twice about being so boastful about her skills the next time.

Anyway, this is getting away from what I wanted to say, and severly distanced from what this 'friendly' quarrel started over. -"Clark calmed her with her own vanity"

I now sound like a Lois basher with those last few paras, but I honestly am not.

I want to believe she really is soft and vunerable underneath that hard exterior, and when I watch the show, I am with you gals, (Dontcha, SVloisLane) and picture her as this hard fronted, inside a true softie. (Reminds me of a rebel sweet , Haha). I like that in Lois and women, not malteaser, or toffee rebel women, the other way round, who are all soft on the outside but a real b***h underneath.:mad: :lol:But after all that fantasizing on what I like seeing, I have to admit, the writers stress Lois, and portray her in SV (not later) as this vain person. I stress SV, especially earlier seasons. Maybe you are noticing the, softer, later Lois starting to come through. But at the minute shes still vain.

In another way, this might sound contradicting, I like the way she is, and as you portray her, with this facade hiding her natural sweet self, but I admit to myself that she is vain, because thats what she shows. Maybe I like vain people. As long as they show the real side of themselves as not vain, like Lois.

But no-one really knows what is her real side and what side is the facade.

I have to admitt if I was Clark I would run to her safety also!:p
A soft spot for Lois or a BDH (Big dumb Human). Definitely the former.:D

Remember these are only my opinions, and I've been wrong before. I couldn't be bothered typing IMO everywhere.

Cheers, and peace.:) Its all friendly.:)

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This is the character but there is only one man who can stand it : CK. Seriously, in true life if you have someone like Lois by your side, the only way is to strangle her or to avoid her (even if everyone knows that Lois is a good person, ...)

Very good:lol: I agree. Im just contemplating, whether I would avoid her or stangle her!!:lol:

But I would definitely, when her back is turned, hold my hands up and pretend to strangle her.:lol::lol:

I long for the scene that Clark does that when shes not looking:D

gem65

11-12-2008, 08:59 AM

I feel that being vain means that you think too highly of yourself - whether it's in your appearance, skills, etc. Lois may have a lot of self-confidence, but I wouldn't call her vain. No matter the situation, she's always there for her family and friends. And she also gives credit when credit is due.

:cool:

SupaBoy

11-12-2008, 09:13 AM

Yes i liked that also i am noticing they are sayin lois and clark a lot instead of clark and lois symbolising superman adventures of L&C

jobookjunkie

11-12-2008, 09:39 AM

Huh. I hate this! I can see all the sides of all the arguments! You've all said it better than me but I'll chip in my tuppence anyway :rolleyes:

I don't think Lois is vain, just self-confident. She's a lot like me, actually, cos I'm the oldest in my family and the only girl, I've had to grow up very quickly and can look after myself alright. I tend to have a dry sense of humour too :lol: Though I do have parts of me that are rather vulnerable and show themselves now and again. Plus, maybe this is just me but when I'm around a guy I like I tend to hide my nervousness by going in the opposite direction, purely as a defence mechanism. I think Lois is the same, but when she's in the PZ and really freaking out, showing all her emotions to Clark which she would normally never do... Clark reminds her of how good a team they are, it's like a full stop to her rambling and then she's reminded of who she is, and more importantly who she is when she's with him, so she gets the determination to keep going. Though I love that she gets clocked about 2 seconds later...:lol:

Just realised I sound like I'm using k-site as therapy...sorry, fellow SV fans! Honestly I'm just making a point!

miks

11-12-2008, 09:49 AM

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 10:33 AM

I never thought of Lois as vain. But that is the perfect word for her. She has all of this self importance for no reason. The line in Bloodline proved it. And I agree with whoever said how is it a facade when she's likek this 99.9% of the time? You may see soft, but all I see is conceited and egotistical.

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="ProgId" content="Word.Document"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><meta name="Originator" content="Microsoft Word 12"><link rel="File-List" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml"><link rel="themeData" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx"><link rel="colorSchemeMapping" href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml"><style>  </style> I totally agree. The only reason I like Lois is because of her name, the actual character. I force myself to like Lois, because I believe I will enjoy the show more if I do. But as an actual person, or if I knew someone exactly like her in real life I would totally dislike her. She is the most egocentric/tistical person I know. Well maybe behind House.:lol:

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 10:43 AM

:lol: Ah...House.

I think this conversation really goes to show why Lois Lane has been a divisive character for a number of years now. She's cocky, and I think it rubs a number of people the wrong way. They'd prefer Clark with someone softer, sweeter. And while Lois does have a soft and sweet side, she's a tiger, not a kitten.

Of course, there are reasons why for Superman's been tied to a woman like Lois for so long. But I've read a number of articles in which comic writers acknowledge that some people adore Lois, and some people hate her.

This doesn't upset me, personally. Some people are just like that, and I'm friends with a number of them. People you either adore or despise, but you never feel ambivalent about.

I'm cool that some people find this attitude grating on Smallville, because it's something that fans have found grating about Lois in all kinds of media. It's part of her personality. I'd much rather TPTB stay true to the character, even though everyone won't love it, than have them de-spine Lois - or change her to an inferior character in order to try to get more people to like her.

Lois is divisive, and she's been that way for a while. To me, I don't mind that everyone doesn't love her as I do. What's important to the story is that Clark does. People may not understand why "No one's [ever] gonna mess with Lois and Clark" but those in charge of the story have long recognized that there's a reason why this man with this woman. Why Lois, with all her cockiness, is just the woman Clark needs and just the woman he wants, as well.

Of course not everyone's going to like that. But, personally, I loathe Jean Gray and Scott Summers and I know a lot of people just adore them. To each his own.

DontCha

11-12-2008, 10:55 AM

Its a facade because peoples true colors often ONLY come out in times of fear or sadness. Though Im not sure facade is the right term to use, she's just someone who has WALLS up protecting something of hers that she doesnt want the world to see or hurt.

And Lois lane? If you had any idea of who her Iconic character actually is, then you'd know that she is hard as nails on the outside but on the inside she is softer and it often comes out around clark/superman. She's not someone to let people see her true self because her true self is vulnerable and to her and can easily be hurt. Which is something she tries to avoid at all costs.

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Honestly, have you guys never encountered the type of person who's actually rather low in self confidence so in order to hide that "weakness" they are overtly loud, pushy, combative, sometimes bully, quick to pick on other people's weaknesses all because they are desperate to hide their own weaknesses from the world?

they do this because they are ashamed of it and terrified of being hurt themselves...its a common trait you see with many people..especially when they are brought up in such an agressive background like Lois was. Where she was taught being weak is something that must be hidden or you will be targeted and hurt.

SteveS

11-12-2008, 11:32 AM

Yet, in other posts you use the comics to back up your claims.

IF the comics are so bad, why use them to defend your arguments? Tha is not a good way to debate.

Rarely, very rarely do I refer to comic books but when I do, it is usually to shoot down the "Lois is always.." comments which are almost always wrong when trying to justify current day poor qualities of personality or character. (I took 10 minutes to look at two Superman comics last year and generally found them miserable reading for anyone beyond the age of 13)

My frame of reference is that which is on-screen and intended for a more mature audience than a comic book reader. You might note that the circulation of Superman comics is something like 1/10th or even less than it was at it's peak. Movies and television reach millions, Superman comics reach about 60,000 readers monthly now.

I am cheered to notice that a number of posters find lois' vanity off-putting, while others have noted that in real life (maybe it should be reel-life, too), such a personality as lois has would make someone think of strangling her. The solution to this is that a medium designed to reach a more mature audience, i.e. television or movies,should have a positive influence on the much smaller and more immature medium, i.e. comics, and write a Lois Lane that is worthy of a Superman rather than a jerkette with excuses for her personal and personality failures. :)

(P.S. For those who are unaware of such, it is this version of lois that I have referred to as a jerkette on many occasions and I still feel lois is such, generally, on Smallville)

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 11:40 AM

Jade, I have always admired your subtlty, and there you go again. I find it very hard to disagree with you, and its difficult again just now.

And Lois lane? If you had any idea of who her Iconic character actually is, then you'd know that she is hard as nails on the outside but on the inside she is softer and it often comes out around clark/superman.

I know and like the Iconic Lois character but not the one being played by ED in SV at the moment and past. I disliked the Lois of past, but as of now I can see her changing, mainly due to her closeness to Clark, and becoming the Lois of Superman, which I really like. Lois is in a transition period at the mo. I dislike the Lois pre transition (vain) but am beginning to like the post transition due to her vunerability.

Honestly, have you guys never encountered the type of person... are overtly loud, pushy, combative, sometimes bully, quick to pick on other people's weaknesses

Yes and I try to avoid them at all costs for obvious reasons:lol:

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The solution to this is that a medium designed to reach a more mature audience, i.e. television or movies,should have a positive influence on the much smaller and more immature medium, i.e. comics, and write a Lois Lane that is worthy of a Superman rather than a jerkette with excuses for her personal and personality failures. :)

I couldn't have put it better myself!!

Krypton935

11-12-2008, 11:45 AM

Ah! that was great!! i really liked that it made me smile!!! :D

individuall

11-12-2008, 11:46 AM

:lol: Ah...House.

I think this conversation really goes to show why Lois Lane has been a divisive character for a number of years now. She's cocky, and I think it rubs a number of people the wrong way. They'd prefer Clark with someone softer, sweeter. And while Lois does have a soft and sweet side, she's a tiger, not a kitten.

Of course, there are reasons why for Superman's been tied to a woman like Lois for so long. But I've read a number of articles in which comic writers acknowledge that some people adore Lois, and some people hate her.

This doesn't upset me, personally. Some people are just like that, and I'm friends with a number of them. People you either adore or despise, but you never feel ambivalent about.

I'm cool that some people find this attitude grating on Smallville, because it's something that fans have found grating about Lois in all kinds of media. It's part of her personality. I'd much rather TPTB stay true to the character, even though everyone won't love it, than have them de-spine Lois - or change her to an inferior character in order to try to get more people to like her.

Lois is divisive, and she's been that way for a while. To me, I don't mind that everyone doesn't love her as I do. What's important to the story is that Clark does. People may not understand why "No one's [ever] gonna mess with Lois and Clark" but those in charge of the story have long recognized that there's a reason why this man with this woman. Why Lois, with all her cockiness, is just the woman Clark needs and just the woman he wants, as well.

Sorry, I just had to quote this! :D

Get ready for a real shocker...
ITA! ;)

jobookjunkie

11-12-2008, 11:48 AM

I'm with ya, Kaitlyn :D

DontCha

11-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Rarely, very rarely do I refer to comic books but when I do, it is usually to shoot down the "Lois is always.." comments which are almost always wrong when trying to justify current day poor qualities of personality or character. (I took 10 minutes to look at two Superman comics last year and generally found them miserable reading for anyone beyond the age of 13)

My frame of reference is that which is on-screen and intended for a more mature audience than a comic book reader. You might note that the circulation of Superman comics is something like 1/10th or even less than it was at it's peak. Movies and television reach millions, Superman comics reach about 60,000 readers monthly now.

I am cheered to notice that a number of posters find lois' vanity off-putting, while others have noted that in real life (maybe it should be reel-life, too), such a personality as lois has would make someone think of strangling her. The solution to this is that a medium designed to reach a more mature audience, i.e. television or movies,should have a positive influence on the much smaller and more immature medium, i.e. comics, and write a Lois Lane that is worthy of a Superman rather than a jerkette with excuses for her personal and personality failures. :)

you know, I might report your post because im getting sick of you calling my favorite character names like "jerkette" theres no effin need for childish name calling I'm sorry, you're clearly doing it deliberately to cause upset among her fans. :mad:

I usually respect your opinion but all that respect just goes flying out the window when you have little jabs at her by calling her names..Its a jab towards the fans too.

EDIT - I've decided I wont now, because i've clamed down. And I actually disagree with droppng people in it even if what they say has upset me..

Tompouce

11-12-2008, 12:01 PM

<META content=Word.Document name=ProgId><META content="Microsoft Word 12" name=Generator><META content="Microsoft Word 12" name=Originator><LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_filelist.xml" rel=File-List><LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx" rel=themeData><LINK href="file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5CUser%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsoht mlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml" rel=colorSchemeMapping><STYLE>  </STYLE> I totally agree. The only reason I like Lois is because of her name, the actual character. I force myself to like Lois, because I believe I will enjoy the show more if I do. But as an actual person, or if I knew someone exactly like her in real life I would totally dislike her. She is the most egocentric/tistical person I know. Well maybe behind House.:lol:I agree with you and Jade too. It is hard to like Lois if you think about her as in real life but for the story she is the person Clark needs. I just wonder how the people who created Superman thought about a character like Lois. It is a mystery to me because Clark could be Superman with someone more adaptable, it is just that I know some people like Lois and even if you liked them very much and the end, they are impossible but you know it is just a show;)

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 12:05 PM

you know, I might report your post because im getting sick of you calling my favorite character names like "jerkette" theres no effin need for childish name calling I'm sorry, you're clearly doing it deliberately to cause upset among her fans. :mad:

I usually respect your opinion but all that respect just goes flying out the window when you have little jabs at her by calling her names..Its a jab towards the fans too.

Aw, honey...*hugs*

I can tell you from personal experience that the "Ignore" button is your friend. When I get bothered by something - like the fact that someone's using childish names - that person goes straight to my ignore list.

Haven't looked back once or regretted a single person I've put on that list. If anything, when I see posts quoted by the people I have blocked, it only shows me again and again why the level of discussion I'm missing out on is a level of discussing I generally try to rise above, anyway.

Don't stress out about it. Just click ignore! This kinds of stresses are simply not worth your time.

individuall

11-12-2008, 12:06 PM

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 12:10 PM

I agree with you and Jade too. It is hard to like Lois if you think about her as in real life but for the story she is the person Clark needs. I just wonder how the people who created Superman thought about a character like Lois. It is a mystery to me because Clark could be Superman with someone more adaptable, it is just that I know some people like Lois and even if you liked them very much and the end, they are impossible but you know it is just a show;)

Well, again...I think that there are some people who would, in real life, find a person like Lois annoying. But there would also be people who adore her.

After all, I've been accused of being very Lois-like more than once, and I'm not suffering from a dearth of friends. ;)

Truth be told, every character is like that. Lana in real life would have some people adoring her. Other people would want to beat her in the face with a brick.

And Chloe would just be the best person ever born to some, while other people would be quite happy to see her fall off the face of the planet.

All characters are like that. Jimmy, Clark, Martha, Jonathan...Doesn't matter how much one person loves the character, another person is going to loathe them with the intensity of a thousand suns.

Just look around this board. For every voice saying, "I love _____!" another voice is saying, "Really? Because I would happily set _____ on fire just to watch him/her burn!"

Lois may get a bit more of the division between fans because she's intended to create such a reaction. But all characters have it.

*ponders*

Well...maybe not Shelby. ;)

DontCha

11-12-2008, 12:11 PM

I dont actually want to use ignore because I respect peoples opinions, and I respected that opinion until the name calling popped up it just discredits the whole argument for me...and upsets me too.

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Um...Lois is based off one of the original creator's wife...I can't remember if it was which one though :\...So in a sense she was a real person. :)

If Lois were I real life person I'd probably be best friends with her...Sorry I think she's kick a** and awesome :D
Especially ED's portrayal
But to each their own :)

LOl i actually have a friend like her..

to the people she's closest to like me, she lets her walls down and she's the biggest freaking softy you ever knew.

jobookjunkie

11-12-2008, 12:14 PM

you know, I might report your post because im getting sick of you calling my favorite character names like "jerkette" theres no effin need for childish name calling I'm sorry, you're clearly doing it deliberately to cause upset among her fans. :mad:

I usually respect your opinion but all that respect just goes flying out the window when you have little jabs at her by calling her names..Its a jab towards the fans too.

Deep breaths, think good thoughts and have a cup of tea with a biscuit, my dear, then rewatch all the Clois fan videos on youtube to see how right you are (I love Lois too, as I may have mentioned like a million times). Don't worry about other people! Everyone has their opinion so dont be upset, ok? This is you now...:cool:

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 12:15 PM

Um...Lois is based off one of the original creator's wife...I can't remember if it was which one though :\...So in a sense she was a real person. :)

If Lois were I real life person I'd probably be best friends with her...Sorry I think she's kick a** and awesome :D
Especially ED's portrayal
But to each their own :)

Yeah...like I said, I've got a lot of friends that I KNOW strike people the same way Lois does. I've known these people for YEARS.

The thing that I find is that it's perfectly easy to get along with them, but you have to be just as strong and as forceful a personality as they are in order to do it.

I've got one friend that I've known for 15 years now, and we've never once fought, though we've come close to it a lot. The reason is (as we discussed when I last spoke to her) that we KNOW how we are, and we KNOW what that fight would be. So yes, sometimes we annoy each other. But we've very clear about where the line is that can't be crossed, and we're very clear with each other when we think the other person's approaching it.

As my friend says, I could hardly hide when I'm getting mad anyway. It's like a storm rolling in.

But anyway, we know how we are, so we work around it. Rather than engage in battle, we walk away.

But she knows I can be a cocky little thing, and I know she can as well. Sometimes, it gets to be too much, and we have to remind each other about the line. The thing is, though, that like Lois, we may have rather prickly external demanors, but we're fiercely loyal and protective of those we care about.

So Melissa might drive me nuts sometimes - and she does, and she knows it. But I'd kill anyone who tried to hurt her, and she'd do the same for me. And I wouldn't trade my friendship with her for the world...even though sometimes I do long to gag her. :lol:

So glad she's not on these boards to see this comment...;)

DontCha

11-12-2008, 12:22 PM

Deep breaths, think good thoughts and have a cup of tea with a biscuit, my dear, then rewatch all the Clois fan videos on youtube to see how right you are (I love Lois too, as I may have mentioned like a million times). Don't worry about other people! Everyone has their opinion so dont be upset, ok? This is you now...:cool:

I dont mind about people's opinions, its just the name calling that gets me and annoys me. Its done deliberately to stir up arguments IMO.

jobookjunkie

11-12-2008, 12:25 PM

I dont mind about people's opinions, its just the name calling that gets me and annoys me. Its done deliberately to stir up arguments IMO.

You're right, sorry! I shall tactfully change the subject and try to make you less annoyed :)

I just noticed your location is England...does this mean you got to see the start of season 8 on tv last night? I recorded it and I know we fans are 8 episodes ahead but at least the secreen is a decent size!

Tompouce

11-12-2008, 12:26 PM

I understand what you say Jade, I had this kind of friendship with a "Lois" too and she was a true friend (I thought she was), she had a lot of problems and the day I had a very very big problem, she is the only one who didn't care because it was not her we were speaking about (in french we can say in this case"she was not the center of the world") so my experience is not good. But it isn't true for our Lois, we know the others character can count on her. You know it is just to talk, I like the show as it is;)

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[quote=individuall;4153300]Um...Lois is based off of the wife of one of the original creators of Superman...I can't remember if it was which one though :\...So in a sense she was a real person. :)
Thanks for your answer :)

individuall

11-12-2008, 12:31 PM

^No problem! Happy to help :)

DontCha

11-12-2008, 12:32 PM

Nope I was working, didnt manage to catch it and forgot to tape it LOL :(

Imma buy the DVD when it comes out :D

Back to the topic..well a branch of the topic:

IMO Lois has always had these "vain" walls up and only recently is she letting them down for clark..she's only just starting to let this happen late season 7 - early 8 why because she loves him and more importantly she trusts him more than she ever has

In the past we've only really seen her do this around other people and not clark. For example Wez.

remember how Clark just couldnt help but watch the first time he ever saw this kind of emotion from Lois? Something he had no idea was capable from her and here he just cant help but watch her behave like this to someone who she was obviously close to.

Also, in Toxic, she was in tears over olliver and clark said something behind her and immediately she tried to hide her emotions by quickly wiping her tears away and she didnt respond to him. Then he comforts her and she doent look comofted she looks as if she doesnt want him touching her..most likely because she knows she has feelings for him and him comforting her makes it harder to resist them.

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 12:33 PM

:lol: Ah...House.

I think I stuck a chord there:lol:

I love how this thread has turned into a wee chat about each others friends. I love it. So comforting. Now let me tell you about this friend I had once... Only joking:lol:

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IMO Lois has always had these "vain" walls up and only recently is she letting them down for clark..she's only just starting to let this happen late season 7 - early 8 why because she loves him and more importantly she trusts him more than she ever has

Are my eyes deceiving me. I think you are admitting she has had vain walls around other people than Clark in the past.

We are now 100% maybe 101% on the same wavelength.:D:D:):)

Theres nothing I love more than agreeing with somebody after a long sort of heated argument.

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 12:41 PM

I think I stuck a chord there:lol:

I love how this thread has turned into a wee chat about each others friends. I love it. So comforting. Now let me tell you about this friend I had once... Only joking:lol:

Could be worse. Could start with, "This one time...? At band camp...?"

Anwyay, I confess. I have...*sigh*...a wee tiny crush on House. I can't help it. He's a jerk, and I know it, but he gets me every time! That look on his face at the end of last night's episode, for example...? *melts*

Theres nothing I love more than agreeing with somebody after a long sort of heated argument.

:lol: Aw, honey! This isn't heated! Heated is what happens in a large Italian family when there's a difference of opinion. It starts off fine, but then your 82 year old grandma gets up on the furniture so she can jump up and down and smack the ceiling while she bellows, "My right hand is closer to God than yours, and I'm telling you that...!"

Ah..........Isn't Thanksgiving fun? :D

individuall

11-12-2008, 12:43 PM

:lol: Aw, honey! This isn't heated! Heated is what happens in a large Italian family when there's a difference of opinion. It starts off fine, but then your 82 year old grandma gets up on the furniture so she can jump up and down and smack the ceiling while she bellows, "My right hand is closer to God than yours, and I'm telling you that...!"

Ah..........Isn't Thanksgiving fun? :D

Wow. And I thought my Grandma was the only one who did that...;):p

DontCha

11-12-2008, 12:48 PM

OMG that thing about the grandma LMFAO

Tompouce

11-12-2008, 12:48 PM

Harold:lol: You are the therapy group's manager:D. I love House, he makes me laugh a lot but if you have someone like him in your life, there is no hesitation : YOU STRANGLE HIM for sure:D

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 12:50 PM

Could be worse. Could start with, "This one time...? At band camp...?"

Anwyay, I confess. I have...*sigh*...a wee tiny crush on House. I can't help it. He's a jerk, and I know it, but he gets me every time! That look on his face at the end of last night's episode, for example...? *melts*

:lol: Aw, honey! This isn't heated! Heated is what happens in a large Italian family when there's a difference of opinion. It starts off fine, but then your 82 year old grandma gets up on the furniture so she can jump up and down and smack the ceiling while she bellows, "My right hand is closer to God than yours, and I'm telling you that...!"

Ah..........Isn't Thanksgiving fun? :D

Unbelievable, you had me in stitches on the floor, literally, laughing there. What a post:D

I was worried it was getting heated, when I read people talking of ignoring others and mods, and thought I could have been the one those posts were directed at. Its good we've come to an understanding.

You have a crush on House over TW. Now theres a first!!

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 12:52 PM

Jump him. Then strangle him. Or just gag him and then jump him and skip the strangling. ;)

*looks around* Whaaaat? Oh, don't even pretend! It's not just me!

Anyway. *cough* Er...back on topic... :o

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You have a crush on House over TW. Now theres a first!!

Over TW? That's a tough call for me, actually. ;) I will say that I'm not a multishipper in most respects, but I'm willing to toe the line when it comes to myself. I'll give each man a day of the week, and then they don't have to fight over me! ;)

Tompouce

11-12-2008, 12:58 PM

[quote=Jade4813;4153465]Jump him. Then strangle him. Or just gag him and then jump him and skip the strangling. ;)

*looks around* Whaaaat? Oh, don't even pretend! It's not just me!

Anyway. *cough* Er...back on topic... :o

What does it mean "gag him" ? Anyway, I understood your idea, do you think it will be enough to bring him down ? I find you are nice, we speak about House;)
You are right : back on topic:p-----

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 01:00 PM

Jump him. Then strangle him. Or just gag him and then jump him and skip the strangling. ;)

*looks around* Whaaaat? Oh, don't even pretend! It's not just me!

Anyway. *cough* Er...back on topic... :o

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Over TW? That's a tough call for me, actually. ;) I will say that I'm not a multishipper in most respects, but I'm willing to toe the line when it comes to myself. I'll give each man a day of the week, and then they don't have to fight over me! ;)

I havn't the foggiest what that first bit was about. I thought I was quick on those kind of things but dang you have me a tad confused!!:(

A man a day, if I do my maths right thats seven men. Whoa, you must be good!!:lol::lol:

DontCha

11-12-2008, 01:03 PM

LOL you guys seriously dont get the first bit of her post?

damn my mind must be deeply in the gutter tonight

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 01:11 PM

If I clarify, I'm pretty sure I'll break some sort of board rule against explicit sexual references. ;)

I can say that to "gag" someone is to do something to keep them from speaking.

As for the rest...I'm...uh...gone go over...over here now...and stay out of trouble for a few minutes. ;)

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-12-2008, 01:15 PM

Oh Oh maybe not

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 01:22 PM

:lol: Oh, I see!

Hey, again I've gotta say...to each his own!

I actually am attracted to his brilliance...I love his blue eyes...and when I catch a HL interview and hear his British accent, I'm just gone. ;)

I can't explain it, but it's there! :lol:

Anyway, we should move off my piccadillos and back onto the topic at hand, I suppose... I've just been stracted by Hugh Jackman pictures so...er...I'll be away for a while drooling on my keyboard.

DontCha

11-12-2008, 01:28 PM

lmao, HL on Ellen was classic, he deliberately confused Ellen with the whole "Chinwag" thing and pronounced it as shinwag just to confuse her lol

And yo guys I think we need to get our asses back on topic

NO ONE MESSES with Lois and clark

LOIS AND CLARK

davidbrenton

11-12-2008, 03:47 PM

The writers are.

dimeo782002

11-12-2008, 04:27 PM

The writers are.

:rotfl:

DontCha

11-12-2008, 04:30 PM

how exactly? by giving Lana reason to leave for good? Shes going to leave his life for good for a reason people

the heart grows stronger when someone you share a deep bond with is absent from your life

theartist27

11-12-2008, 06:56 PM

Of course not everyone's going to like that. But, personally, I loathe Jean Gray and Scott Summers and I know a lot of people just adore them. To each his own.[/quote]

You are not the only one who loathes Jean Gray and Scott Summers. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Although I loathe Jean Grey more than I loathe Scott Summers. My favorite X-men pair is Gambit and Rogue.

Back on topic, I think Lois is fine the way she is. I love her character because she has so many different layers. I guess that is what draws Clark to her.:)

abbaspice1

11-12-2008, 06:59 PM

Of course not everyone's going to like that. But, personally, I loathe Jean Gray and Scott Summers and I know a lot of people just adore them. To each his own.

You are not the only one who loathes Jean Gray and Scott Summers. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Although I loathe Jean Grey more than I loathe Scott Summers. My favorite X-men pair is Gambit and Rogue.

Back on topic, I think Lois is fine the way she is. I love her character because she has so many different layers. I guess that is what draws Clark to her.:)

Gambit and Rogue? EWWWW!

I love Rogue! She is so GREAT. But I wanted her with Magneto, Joseph or Wolverine. Gambit is no good for my Chere.

I know I'm probably in the minority. Gambit and Rogue were so popular at one time.

I also hate Jean Grey and Scott Summers. Actually, I'm okay with Jean. But I loathe Scott. Loathe Him. Too much of a boy scout for me.

theartist27

11-12-2008, 07:02 PM

Gambit and Rogue? EWWWW!

I love Rogue! She is so GREAT. But I wanted her with Magneto, Joseph or Wolverine. Gambit is no good for my Chere.

I know I'm probably in the minority. Gambit and Rogue were so popular at one time.

I also hate Jean Grey and Scott Summers. Actually, I'm okay with Jean. But I loathe Scott. Loathe Him. Too much of a boy scout for me.

Wolverine? NOOOooooo. I think I loathe Wolverine almost as much as I loathe Jean Grey.:lol:

DontCha

11-12-2008, 07:03 PM

Lois is like a an onion, many layers, the deeper you get the more prone you are to tears.

WickedJenn

11-12-2008, 07:06 PM

So we have some X-Men mixed in with Clois and somethin Italian? :confused:

LOL.

Good metaphor for Lois DontCha ;)

ClLaLeChFAN01

11-12-2008, 07:16 PM

Lois is like a an onion, many layers, the deeper you get the more prone you are to tears.

Just Like an Ogre! Not everyone likes onions...how about parfaits they have layers?!!!!

I believe that Clark is the only man the can handle Lois's many layers and love her for who she is....and that is why they have lasted for sooooooo long. I like Lois and Clark before she finds out his secret....after she finds out, its no fun. I am only speaking of the show Lois and Clark from the 90's and not the comics. The first and second season was awesome!

Jade4813

11-12-2008, 07:22 PM

So we have some X-Men mixed in with Clois and somethin Italian? :confused:

LOL.

Good metaphor for Lois DontCha ;)

We're an eclectic group! :lol:

BadaBingBadaBoomsday

11-13-2008, 06:26 AM

Lois is like a an onion, many layers, the deeper you get the more prone you are to tears.
Onion comes from the Latin 'unio' meaning 'single', poor Lois. Onions also, give you onion breath, promote a build up of gas, and if fed to cats and dogs can cause anemia!! It didn't say anything about feeding Kryptonians! Take those as you wish in reference to Lois! Onions supposedly reduce your blood pressure, highly unlikely in the presence of Lois. My pulse would be racing. LOL

DontCha

11-13-2008, 09:43 AM

good thing she's not literally an onion just a metephor of an onion lol

Or a Simily however its spelled.

Clarky123

11-13-2008, 12:26 PM

Ok, this might sound stupid im quite new here so im not that famliliar with everything, what/who is Ps3

jobookjunkie

11-13-2008, 12:29 PM

Ok, this might sound stupid im quite new here so im not that famliliar with everything, what/who is Ps3

It means the executive producers - Schwimmer, Souders, Slavkin (hence S3) and Peterson (the P)....put 'em all together and ya get PS3 (not a gaming console, like I first thought :lol:)

Welcome, btw!

Clarky123

11-13-2008, 12:33 PM

It means the executive producers - Schwimmer, Souders, Slavkin (hence S3) and Peterson (the P)....put 'em all together and ya get PS3 (not a gaming console, like I first thought :lol:)

Welcome, btw!

Thanks, for the info and the welcoming :), yeh i thought about PLaystation 3 aswell :rotfl:

jobookjunkie

11-13-2008, 12:37 PM

^ I don't speak any language very well, except Norn Irish and maybe English...lol...so the whole abbreviations thing was actually like a whole other language to me. Ya just learn as ya go along...in case you're reading other posts and are confused, shout for help :D

gem65

11-13-2008, 01:20 PM

I think that Lois and Clark are a great match. She keeps him on his toes - and I think he likes that. But he won't admit it - at least right now because he's just starting to realize his feelings. But he does know that they make a good team. That's why he said what he said.

I want to briefly get off topic to ask the following question: Why is it that some of the posts in this thread have nothing to do with the topic? What does X-men have to do with Smallville? I've noticed this kind of thing happening in other threads as well. Just wondering...

One more thing: I've also been meaning to ask what PS3 meant. So thanks to jobookjunkie for answering that question.

Illuminati

11-13-2008, 01:34 PM

What does X-men have to do with Smallville? I've noticed this kind of thing happening in other threads as well. Just wondering...

Well the thread is 9 pages long, and after a while threads tend to turn into "IM-Like" discussions.

All about Clark

11-13-2008, 01:45 PM

Gem65 is right. Clark and Lois make a good team in the DP and they both know that. I think Clark saying that to Lois as in they're a team, was his way of saying he'd protect the team and she'd be safe. And it appeared it was exactly what she needed at the time.

pizzahead2490

11-13-2008, 04:17 PM

clark and lois will always be a team. and sooner or later he will hopefully realize his feeling for lois

dimeo782002

11-13-2008, 09:56 PM

if i want to see this i will start buying comic books and rewatch all the superman movies. after episode 12 if all is not back normal im done with smallville

darkone

11-15-2008, 01:15 AM

"No one's gonna mess with Lois and Clark"

Yes we can. :lol:

ShelbyKent

11-15-2008, 01:20 AM

Yes we can. :lol: But never permanently ;)

amberdawn

11-15-2008, 01:28 AM

But never permanently ;)

You are so right. :D

darkone

11-15-2008, 01:34 AM

But never permanently ;)

Oh but the damage could be permanent. ;)

amberdawn

11-15-2008, 01:39 AM

But we know it won't be. ;)

Clarky123

11-15-2008, 01:19 PM

it would be funny is he said clark and lois instead of lois and clark! (A)

doubtless

02-15-2009, 02:18 PM

It's totally foreshadowing something!! Loved that line.

virginie

02-25-2009, 02:30 PM

one of the best quotes of the episode :D:D:D

gem65

05-22-2011, 04:10 AM

one of the best quotes of the episode :D:D:D

I absolutely agree with you. :D

Simba_Muffy

05-22-2011, 11:23 PM

Yeah, I also liked her tattoo in "Crimson." "Lois & Clark Forever."

harryandginnyfanatic

06-02-2011, 02:04 AM

She always insists on top billing.

Clark: Maybe I can assist you. We could be like Woodward and Bernstein. Clark and Lois.
Lois: Lois and Clark.

BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow

06-23-2011, 09:51 AM

This is the stuff Clark should be saying 100% of the time.