How can Kara fly outside of earth's atmosphere?

[galatians221]

I mean she's leaving for another planet and I thought Kryptonian power was available only within earth's atmosphere powered by the yellow sun? In Superman Returns he had to take a space ship there and back and Kara is going to fly by her little old self? What's up with that?

[Ray Man]

It's not like she hasn't done it before! She did it when Fine made her go back in time to save Kal-el.

[DarthJay]

I would assume they can fly anywhere within reach of the yellow sun...Kal-El took the ship in SR because he went all the way back to Krypton.

[galatians221]

It's not like she hasn't done it before! She did it when Fine made her go back in time to save Kal-el.


I thought there was a portal for that. Perhaps there is another portal but once she goes through the portal she's in a fixed location without the abilities. She should have stayed in Smallville and just Googled to find her old home. It would save a lot of time and energy.

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I would assume they can fly anywhere within reach of the yellow sun...Kal-El took the ship in SR because he went all the way back to Krypton.

Well where in the wide wide world of sports is Kara flying to? She is searching for a lost civilization from Krypton. Without powers she would at least need a golf cart to scoot around in.

[SSJConan]

Maybe she got a vessel from J'onn after the battle with Zod's wife.

[dru-zod2501]

I mean she's leaving for another planet and I thought Kryptonian power was available only within earth's atmosphere powered by the yellow sun? In Superman Returns he had to take a space ship there and back and Kara is going to fly by her little old self? What's up with that?
Kryptonian powers are based on the SUN not the atmosphere! And depending on how powerful the writers decide to make their kryptonians, they can either cross the solar system, or the Milky Way under their own power.

There are other yellow suns in the universe she can pit stop if she needs

[Ray Man]

I thought there was a portal for that. Perhaps there is another portal but once she goes through the portal she's in a fixed location without the abilities. She should have stayed in Smallville and just Googled to find her old home. It would save a lot of time and energy.

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Well where in the wide wide world of sports is Kara flying to? She is searching for a lost civilization from Krypton. Without powers she would at least need a golf cart to scoot around in.


I didn't see a Portal when Fine and Kara grabbed onto each other and flew. It looked like they just Super-sped like Chris Reeves Superman did in the movies till they reversed time until the time Krypton was just about to explode.

[dru-zod2501]

It's not like she hasn't done it before! She did it when Fine made her go back in time to save Kal-el.
There was so totally a portal there it was visible

[galatians221]

Kryptonian powers are based on the SUN not the atmosphere! And depending on how powerful the writers decide to make their kryptonians, they can either cross the solar system, or the Milky Way under their own power.

We're still left with Superman Returns having to take a space ship and about half dead upon return and Kara just flying off. Perhaps testosterone interferes with Kryptonian power outside of our atmosphere. Jor El sent Kal El to earth because he would have super powers within our atmosphere. On Krypton and in the Zone those powers are not available. I believe it's his molecular density and I have that straight from the lips of Marlon Brando.

[xrayvision]

It's not like she hasn't done it before! She did it when Fine made her go back in time to save Kal-el.

That was a plothole though. And it was a big one because not only did she leave the influence of the yellow sun (which I could still buy since she had stored energy) but she was also in the presence of the red Kryptonian sun (Rao) which would drain her powers in no time (Kryptonians need the Kryptonian atmosphere to protect them from the red sun from killing/poisoning them). They are vulnerable to red solar radiation like they are to kryptonite.

[DAISHI]

In the comics Superman was some distance from earth's sun at points. I always heard him described as a solar battery, so that he was 'charged' for a while after he left.

[Ray Man]

That was a plothole though. And it was a big one because not only did she leave the influence of the yellow sun (which I could still buy since she had stored energy) but she was also in the presence of the red Kryptonian sun (Rao) which would drain her powers in no time (Kryptonians need the Kryptonian atmosphere to protect them from the red sun from killing/poisoning them). They are vulnerable to red solar radiation like they are to kryptonite.

Darn plotholes! :mad::mad::mad: Kara wasn't even near Kryptons Sun when she went back in time though...was she???

[Who]

Well I suppose she would be propelled by her own inertia after she escapes the Earth's gravity. Voyager II is still moving out of the solar system just fine.

[galatians221]

That was a plothole though. And it was a big one because not only did she leave the influence of the yellow sun (which I could still buy since she had stored energy) but she was also in the presence of the red Kryptonian sun (Rao) which would drain her powers in no time (Kryptonians need the Kryptonian atmosphere to protect them from the red sun from killing/poisoning them). They are vulnerable to red solar radiation like they are to kryptonite.

Tonight wasn't a plothole? She is returning to find the remnants of Krypton while flying through the universe while Brandon Roush had to take a space ship. I don't know the mythos like some of the folks on here but it seems a plot hole to me.

[dru-zod2501]

We're still left with Superman Returns having to take a space ship and about half dead upon return and Kara just flying off. Perhaps testosterone interferes with Kryptonian power outside of our atmosphere. Jor El sent Kal El to earth because he would have super powers within our atmosphere. On Krypton and in the Zone those powers are not available. I believe it's his molecular density and I have that straight from the lips of Marlon Brando.
well, in that movie Brando also casually said the Red Sun of Krypton was the source of the power, which was later contradicted in Superman 2:rolleyes:
again, I emphasize it all depends on the writers at any given time. The superman returns kryptonian wasn't the same as Chris Reeve Kryptonian who isn't the same as SV kryptonian.


Tonight wasn't a plothole? She is returning to find the remnants of Krypton while flying through the universe while Brandon Roush had to take a space ship. I don't know the mythos like some of the folks on here but it seems a plot hole to me.

it makes sense for Kal to use a ship in "returns" since going back to Krypton means going back to a Red Sun.

Kara has no idea where Kandor is. It could be near a red sun in which case she's screwed, or it could be under a blue sun, where she's supercharged, or a yellow sun where everything's great

[galatians221]

well, in that movie Brando also said the Red Sun of Krypton was the source of the power, which was later contradicted in Superman 2:rolleyes:
again, I emphasize it all depends on the writers at any given time. The superman returns kryptonian wasn't the same as Chris Reeve Kryptonian who isn't the same as SV kryptonian.

In the modern context it makes sense for Kal to use a ship in "returns" since going back to Krypton means going back to a Red Sun.

Help me out here: if the red sun of Krypton was the source of his power then he would have super powers on Krypton. Brando said that his molecular density would cause him to have super powers on earth and that is why he chose earth. I remember Laura asking him "why earth?" and he said that his molecular density would bring about great powers on earth. I want to know the truth. (this is all true right?)

[xrayvision]

Tonight wasn't a plothole? She is returning to find the remnants of Krypton while flying through the universe while Brandon Roush had to take a space ship. I don't know the mythos like some of the folks on here but it seems a plot hole to me.

It was a plothole too. I'm guessing she would pass by several red stars that would drain her stored energy. I wish they would have explained her as moving back to Detroit with the Danvers family.

But despite this plothole (and the one with Lois having powers after being inhabited by Faora without being altered like Lex was by Brainiac), the episode was pretty good.

[old guy]

There are other yellow suns in the universe she can pit stop if she needs

Pit stops?? Sounds like she's lookng for porta-potties on distant planets!

I agree she should have no problem flying around as long as she is within the rays of a yellow sun. But if Kandor is in a solar system with a yellow sun, they'd also be able to fly to earth and have a Kryptonian reunion.

And I think Kara is a goddess, and I've always assumed that goddesses don't need "pit stops" ;)

[dru-zod2501]

Help me out here: if the red sun of Krypton was the source of his power then he would have super powers on Krypton. Brando said that his molecular density would cause him to have super powers on earth and that is why he chose earth. I remember Laura asking him "why earth?" and he said that his molecular density would bring about great powers on earth. I want to know the truth. (this is all true right?)
yes. I brought that up to illustrate that you can't take the old movie dialogue as descriptive of how other versions of Kryptonians can function.

[Kal-El-073]

Ok, they never said Kandor was still around. It was just assumed, but since either it or Argo City have survived in whichever continuity, it's feasible to assume it's still around in SV. That being said, it shouldn't be assumed that Kandor still orbits Rao or is even still in Kryptons solar system. That way basically there way of writing her out of the show.

[galatians221]

Pit stops?? Sounds like she's lookng for porta-potties on distant planets!

I agree she should have no problem flying around as long as she is within the rays of a yellow sun. But if Kandor is in a solar system with a yellow sun, they'd also be able to fly to earth and have a Kryptonian reunion.

And I think Kara is a goddess, and I've always assumed that goddesses don't need "pit stops" ;)

Why won't anyone deal with their molecular density? Who am I to believe, posters on this board or Marlon Brando? MOLECULAR DENSITY is the issue. This is important because how is CK going to get the Martian Maneater back outside of earth's atmosphere so he can have his powers restored if CK has to stay here because of his stupid old molecular density?

[dru-zod2501]

Pit stops?? Sounds like she's lookng for porta-potties on distant planets!

I agree she should have no problem flying around as long as she is within the rays of a yellow sun. But if Kandor is in a solar system with a yellow sun, they'd also be able to fly to earth and have a Kryptonian reunion.

And I think Kara is a goddess, and I've always assumed that goddesses don't need "pit stops" ;)
true they could fly away, but why would they? they likely believe they are alone in the universe so they'd probably stick together

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Why won't anyone deal with their molecular density? Who am I to believe, posters on this board or Marlon Brando? MOLECULAR DENSITY is the issue. This is important because how is CK going to get the Martian Maneater back outside of earth's atmosphere so he can have his powers restored if CK has to stay here because of his stupid old molecular density?
Martian Maneater?!:rotfl:

you lost me, why would his density have any bearing on how far he can go past our atmosphere?

[galatians221]

true they could fly away, but why would they? they likely believe they are alone in the universe so they'd probably stick together

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Martian Maneater?!:rotfl:

you lost me, why would his density have any bearing on how far he can go past our atmosphere?

Jor El (Brando) was asked by Laura why he was sending their child to such a primitive place as earth and he replied that his molecular density would give him great powers in earth's atmosphere and would protect him. We're talking yellow sun stuff and completely ignoring his molecular density. This has nothing to do with Lois' density.

[ShadowoftheBat]

i thought brando said he will look like one of them and with his molecular density the power of the yellow sun will give him great powers and we all know there are a lot of galaxys out there with yellow suns and fewer with red suns so i can see how kara can fly around galaxys she knows has yellow suns and as for superman returns having a space ship i know it wasn't in the movie but i read where the reason he took the ship cause it was such a long journey to krypton and that krypton had was in billions of pieces leaving lots of kryptonite around and that is what made him weak and the ship helped protect him from most of the kryptonite radiation.

[dru-zod2501]

Jor El (Brando) was asked by Laura why he was sending their child to such a primitive place as earth and he replied that his molecular density would give him great powers in earth's atmosphere and would protect him. We're talking yellow sun stuff and completely ignoring his molecular density. This has nothing to do with Lois' density.
Lois?? Who's talking about Lois? I think we've moved very far off topic.

recap. Molecular density was mostly used pre-crisis to explain Kryptonian powers. That explanation has been pushed aside. Now, the basis of Kryptonian powers are their ability to absorb sunlight and process it at the cellular level. They're not more or less dense than humans.

[superspider02]

not really a plot hole, as others have stated in most incarnations of the superman/kryptonian characters. It is not earth/earth's atmosphere that gives them their amazing powers. It is their body being super charged by the power of a yellow sun and their bodies storing the power. Then also in most superman incarnations kryptonians can survive in space for a infinite amount of time.

[galatians221]

Lois?? Who's talking about Lois? I think we've moved very far off topic.

recap. Molecular density was mostly used pre-crisis to explain Kryptonian powers. That explanation has been pushed aside. Now, the basis of Kryptonian powers are their ability to absorb sunlight and process it at the cellular level. They're not more or less dense than humans.

There is no sunlight in outer space. Sun rays have to strike an object to create light. Space is darkness. There is no benefit from the yellow sun in outer space. That's why Kal El needs to be in earth's atmosphere. We saw him weakened in Superman Returns after coming out of the water. He flew up to the yellow sun but within our atmosphere (just above the clouds) to be healed. The contrast to this is MM who has to leave earth's atmosphere to be healed and who is harmed by our yellow sun. Once he gets into outer space his powers will return. The dilemma is how can CK leave earth's atmosphere where he will lose his powers in order for MM to be out of our atmosphere to regain his powers. This is important stuff.

Oh, and Lois' density was supposed to be a joke.

[SupesComicFan]

Well, There may be plotholes, but Routh may have flown to Krypton, and had to take a ship back (battery went dead, no powers on Krypton)?
How the heck else was he going to get BACK from Krypton?
Maybe?

[dru-zod2501]

There is no sunlight in outer space. Sun rays have to strike an object to create light. Space is darkness. There is no benefit from the yellow sun in outer space. That's why Kal El needs to be in earth's atmosphere. We saw him weakened in Superman Returns after coming out of the water. He flew up to the yellow sun but within our atmosphere (just above the clouds) to be healed. The contrast to this is MM who has to leave earth's atmosphere to be healed and who is harmed by our yellow sun. Once he gets into outer space his powers will return. The dilemma is how can CK leave earth's atmosphere where he will lose his powers in order for MM to be out of our atmosphere to regain his powers. This is important stuff.

Oh, and Lois' density was supposed to be a joke.
Boy...where to begin?

First, I wasn't clear. It's solar radiation that powers a Kryptonian, not just "light". He flew higher in the movie to lessen the atmospheric refraction so he could get a more concentrated exposure to solar radiation which is independent of any solid object

J'onn losing his powers was ridiculous because first of all a martian's powers are psionic in nature, or they're supposed to be.

secondly, why would J'onn leave earth's atmosphere to heal because he's "harmed by our yellow sun?" if he's beyond the atmosphere he's getting bombarded by the full force of solar radiation which includes the full visible light spectrum, unless he goes to the dark side where it's night. In that case why was it so damn important to leave the atmosphere in the first place if he just needed to get out of the sun? he could go crawl in a cave or something. It's stupid. It sounded like he was running from the atmosphere more than the sun then.

And lastly. The sun doesn't need objects to CREATE light... Light just IS! the only reason WE need objects is so we know it's there

[Randy G.]

Anybody have any Tylenol? :\ :lol:

[pjack]

There is no sunlight in outer space. Sun rays have to strike an object to create light. Space is darkness. There is no benefit from the yellow sun in outer space. That's why Kal El needs to be in earth's atmosphere. We saw him weakened in Superman Returns after coming out of the water. He flew up to the yellow sun but within our atmosphere (just above the clouds) to be healed. The contrast to this is MM who has to leave earth's atmosphere to be healed and who is harmed by our yellow sun. Once he gets into outer space his powers will return. The dilemma is how can CK leave earth's atmosphere where he will lose his powers in order for MM to be out of our atmosphere to regain his powers. This is important stuff.

Oh, and Lois' density was supposed to be a joke.

YES, Superman CAN fly in outerspace in the same solar system. That has never been as issue. Since Supeman Returns was brought up you can see when he goes out side of earths atmosphere floating so he can hear problems all around the world.
He also did NOT get weak from being in water. He was stabbed with Krptonite remember and still had a piece of it in him so that's why he had to go up to absorb more rays to get enough strength to get going. Not to mention the whole piece of land was made of Kryptonite. He didnt get it all out until he was was at the hospital when he finished.

[j-kent]

Thread Starter.

The only concern one should have here is why hadn't she taken a space ship? Over prolonged flight in space the Kryptonian would need oxygen. And Kandor/Krypton is supposedly millions of miles away. It is different in each continuation, but given the distance in any continuation a Kryptonian can not hold their breath THAT long. So we assume since she has used a teleportation device.

Now to answer your question, Kara would not lose her powers once leaving the Earth's atmosphere. She and all Kryptonians, are superpowered by the yellow sun. Within this galaxy, the yellow sun shines. Being on earth has nothing to do with giving rise to her powers. The sun still shines in space. The reason being that space is black not because light is absent, but because nothing (like our earth's atmosphere) can scatter the light, reflect it, and make it visible.

Even if Kara were to be out of reach of the solar radiation...She would not lose her powers. Think of Kryptonians like giant batteries of solar power. They're charged! This is why "Old" Superman in the comics is stronger and faster, because he's taken years and years of solar radiation. It would take a very long time of being absent from the yellow sun to lose her superpowers.

Krypton's son is Rao- the red sun. They're bodies are "filled" with red radiation and hinder they're powers. The red sun is known to instantly take away their superpowers.

[pjack]

Boy...where to begin?

First, I wasn't clear. It's solar radiation that powers a Kryptonian, not just "light". He flew higher in the movie to lessen the atmospheric refraction so he could get a more concentrated exposure to solar radiation which is independent of any solid object

J'onn losing his powers was ridiculous because first of all a martian's powers are psionic in nature, or they're supposed to be.

secondly, why would J'onn leave earth's atmosphere to heal because he's "harmed by our yellow sun?" if he's beyond the atmosphere he's getting bombarded by the full force of solar radiation which includes the full visible light spectrum, unless he goes to the dark side where it's night. In that case why was it so damn important to leave the atmosphere in the first place if he just needed to get out of the sun? he could go crawl in a cave or something. It's stupid. It sounded like he was running from the atmosphere more than the sun then.

And lastly. The sun doesn't need objects to CREATE light... Light just IS! the only reason WE need objects is so we know it's there

They never said it was the sun why MM needs to leave the atmosphere. It could be just earths autmosphere. He's from Mars. The sun has nothing to do with MM. So leaving the atmosphere to heal is a good enough reason. 2nd MM is afraid of fire which causes him to loose his powers temporarily and its all psychological. The sun is nothing but a big fire ball so when he took Clark up there directly into the sun it caused him to loose his powers upon return. It makes perfect sense, so it is not a plot hole if you know anything about MM.

Read the wiki under Weakness and you can see more about the disorder related to flame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Manhunter

[dru-zod2501]

They never said it was the sun why MM needs to leave the atmosphere. It could be just earths autmosphere. He's from Mars. The sun has nothing to do with MM. So leaving the atmosphere to heal is a good enough reason. 2nd MM is afraid of fire which causes him to loose his powers temporarily and its all psychological. The sun is nothing but a big fire ball so when he took Clark up there directly into the sun it caused him to loose his powers upon return. It makes perfect sense, so it is not a plot hole if you know anything about MM.

Read the wiki under Weakness and you can see more about the disorder related to flame.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Manhunter
I'm perfectly aware of J'onn's comic history... I've no idea why I didn't make that connection earlier it's elementary.

[migo]

J'onn losing his powers was ridiculous because first of all a martian's powers are psionic in nature, or they're supposed to be.

He loses the powers because he believes he loses them. Fire is a phobia for him, not an actual weakener like Kryptonite. If he manages to get over his fear of fire and stay close to a source, he turns into a super awesome killing machine.



secondly, why would J'onn leave earth's atmosphere to heal because he's "harmed by our yellow sun?" if he's beyond the atmosphere he's getting bombarded by the full force of solar radiation which includes the full visible light spectrum, unless he goes to the dark side where it's night. In that case why was it so damn important to leave the atmosphere in the first place if he just needed to get out of the sun? he could go crawl in a cave or something. It's stupid. It sounded like he was running from the atmosphere more than the sun then.


He's from Mars, and Mars doesn't have an atmosphere, makes perfect sense. And it's not the sun's rays that weaken him, it's the fire. If he gets close enough to see solar flares, it's like a huge lighter is stuck by him, and as we saw in the Clark insane asylum episode with Shelby barking him out, he freaks out from a cigarette lighter.

[ColdPlay3r]

increase smallville budget

[galatians221]

Boy...where to begin?

First, I wasn't clear. It's solar radiation that powers a Kryptonian, not just "light". He flew higher in the movie to lessen the atmospheric refraction so he could get a more concentrated exposure to solar radiation which is independent of any solid object

J'onn losing his powers was ridiculous because first of all a martian's powers are psionic in nature, or they're supposed to be.

secondly, why would J'onn leave earth's atmosphere to heal because he's "harmed by our yellow sun?" if he's beyond the atmosphere he's getting bombarded by the full force of solar radiation which includes the full visible light spectrum, unless he goes to the dark side where it's night. In that case why was it so damn important to leave the atmosphere in the first place if he just needed to get out of the sun? he could go crawl in a cave or something. It's stupid. It sounded like he was running from the atmosphere more than the sun then.

And lastly. The sun doesn't need objects to CREATE light... Light just IS! the only reason WE need objects is so we know it's there

Agreed but light travels through space without illuminating space. Only when it hits an object is it evident. It's clear to me from Superman Returns that he needed the full force of the sun to heal and he was able to do that in our atmosphere. He didn't do that in the darkness of space but in the full radiance of the sun. I've never seen a NASA image of the sun from outer space. It's an amazing phenomenon.

[KLGChaos]

Well, in some incarnation, Superman was a Godlike being who didn't even need oxygen in space. In others, like the Timm-iverse, he needed a special suit to let him breath in space, as well as help store solar radiation.

Personally, going by any sort of realistic point of view, I look at Kryptonians as batteries with solar panels. They can store yellow sunlight (which is why multiple yellow suns makes them much more powerful) and keep it for a certain amount of time, but if they spend too long away, they're going to be weakened and eventually die if they don't return to get some of that light. Sort of like a Green Lantern power ring, just with a longer duration. I also believe they can hold their breath for quite a long time, but they would eventually need to breathe as well.

[dru-zod2501]

Agreed but light travels through space without illuminating space. Only when it hits an object is it evident. It's clear to me from Superman Returns that he needed the full force of the sun to heal and he was able to do that in our atmosphere. He didn't do that in the darkness of space but in the full radiance of the sun. I've never seen a NASA image of the sun from outer space. It's an amazing phenomenon.
seriously? if you stood on the moon and looked directly at the sun, you think you would see nothing? You most certainly can! The sun gives off the light! though it might be the last thing you ever see.

As I mentioned the atmosphere refracts and reflects a large portion of solar rays that hit the planet, and he wasn't going that high up at all. he really wasn't getting the full force of the sun. That was pure hollywood light magic, just an excuse to make the hero look more majestic.

And the sun is so much more interesting from space than just what we see on the ground. Look it up sometime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/sun/index.shtml
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/sun_worldbook.html

[galatians221]

seriously? if you stood on the moon and looked directly at the sun, you think you would see nothing? You most certainly can! The sun gives off the light! though it might be the last thing you ever see.

As I mentioned the atmosphere refracts and reflects a large portion of solar rays that hit the planet, and he wasn't going that high up at all. he really wasn't getting the full force of the sun. That was pure hollywood light magic, just an excuse to make the hero look more majestic.

And the sun is so much more interesting from space than just what we see on the ground. Look it up sometime.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/solarsystem/sun/index.shtml
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/sun_worldbook.html

It's all interesting but I think I need to lie down.

[dru-zod2501]

He's from Mars, and Mars doesn't have an atmosphere, makes perfect sense. And it's not the sun's rays that weaken him, it's the fire. If he gets close enough to see solar flares, it's like a huge lighter is stuck by him, and as we saw in the Clark insane asylum episode with Shelby barking him out, he freaks out from a cigarette lighter.
actually Mars does have an atmosphere, but it's very different from ours so it's plausible Martian internal physiology can't handle it as well.

so stupid I forgot the fire deal

[HalJordan4184]

I have to correct a couple of things here though. Our sun, is not the only sun for our galaxy. Our sun, is simply an average star, in a pretty unremarkable solar system, in a large, vast galaxy with millions and millions and billions of stars.

Space is also plenty illuminated. It's also a giant vaccuum, that has no particles really floating in it, to cause light to refract. Think if the sun, or other stars, as a little, teeny tiny 1 watt lightbulb, in the middle of a gymnasium, in the middle of the night, with that being the only light. That's what space is like. Sure, it's not bright as heck out, but it is illuminated. The only problem is, you have one source of light, for literally billions to trillions of miles. A single lightbulb, won't illuminate your whole neighborhood, just like a single star, won't illuminate half of space.

Also, Clark Kent sure as heck can function outside of Earth's atmosphere. A kryptonians density, wouldn't change outside our atmosphere. It wouldn't really change anywhere. Density is one of those pretty much constant things, until you get to really bizarre situations. His powers, are solar related. He absorbs the energy, stores it like a battery, and uses it as time goes on, in the form of superpowers. The more he stores, and the less he exerts regularly, the stronger his powers become. Going into space, would give him a vastly larger concentration of solar energy to work with, and would in fact, power him up faster.

And hey, if leaving the atmosphere was a problem for Clark, shouldn't taking him to the sun, have fried him, rather than returned him to normal?

[superhippie2000]

i just think kara has like solar energy storage in her so she can be fine for a certian amount of time. but who knows how long.

[galatians221]

I have to correct a couple of things here though. Our sun, is not the only sun for our galaxy. Our sun, is simply an average star, in a pretty unremarkable solar system, in a large, vast galaxy with millions and millions and billions of stars.

Space is also plenty illuminated. It's also a giant vaccuum, that has no particles really floating in it, to cause light to refract. Think if the sun, or other stars, as a little, teeny tiny 1 watt lightbulb, in the middle of a gymnasium, in the middle of the night, with that being the only light. That's what space is like. Sure, it's not bright as heck out, but it is illuminated. The only problem is, you have one source of light, for literally billions to trillions of miles. A single lightbulb, won't illuminate your whole neighborhood, just like a single star, won't illuminate half of space.

Also, Clark Kent sure as heck can function outside of Earth's atmosphere. A kryptonians density, wouldn't change outside our atmosphere. It wouldn't really change anywhere. Density is one of those pretty much constant things, until you get to really bizarre situations. His powers, are solar related. He absorbs the energy, stores it like a battery, and uses it as time goes on, in the form of superpowers. The more he stores, and the less he exerts regularly, the stronger his powers become. Going into space, would give him a vastly larger concentration of solar energy to work with, and would in fact, power him up faster.

And hey, if leaving the atmosphere was a problem for Clark, shouldn't taking him to the sun, have fried him, rather than returned him to normal?

MM didn't take him TO the sun but nearer the sun. I suppose it's lined up with the fact that the earth is nearer to the sun than Mars is but Mars is next closest. So Clark gets empowered by the yellow sun and MM is harmed if he gets too close to it but he needs to escape earth's atmosphere in order to be healed. So once CK learns to fly he can just take MM out of earth's atmosphere and he'll be healed. All of this still doesn't explain why Kara can go back to Krypton or what's left of it by flying there while Brandon Routh had to take a space ship.

[BrianD]

well who freakin cares! people cant fly either, can they, or shoot fire from their eyes, or see through objects, or move at lightning speed. its a fictional character. do i need to explain what fictional is? its meant for us to just watch and enjoy and not wonder how the hell they did that because the people who write this stuff make it up anyways, meaning they dont even know themselves how. it just happens the way they want it to happen. if they want robots to walk and talk like us then thats whatll happen. but i know this wont really help lol. ppl are still gonna ask questions like why is the sky blue?

[galatians221]

well who freakin cares! people cant fly either, can they, or shoot fire from their eyes, or see through objects, or move at lightning speed. its a fictional character. do i need to explain what fictional is? its meant for us to just watch and enjoy and not wonder how the hell they did that because the people who write this stuff make it up anyways, meaning they dont even know themselves how. it just happens the way they want it to happen. if they want robots to walk and talk like us then thats whatll happen. but i know this wont really help lol. ppl are still gonna ask questions like why is the sky blue?

Let me make sure I'm understanding you......are you saying that Superman is a fictional character?

[xrayvision]

I have to correct a couple of things here though. Our sun, is not the only sun for our galaxy. Our sun, is simply an average star, in a pretty unremarkable solar system, in a large, vast galaxy with millions and millions and billions of stars.

Space is also plenty illuminated. It's also a giant vaccuum, that has no particles really floating in it, to cause light to refract. Think if the sun, or other stars, as a little, teeny tiny 1 watt lightbulb, in the middle of a gymnasium, in the middle of the night, with that being the only light. That's what space is like. Sure, it's not bright as heck out, but it is illuminated. The only problem is, you have one source of light, for literally billions to trillions of miles. A single lightbulb, won't illuminate your whole neighborhood, just like a single star, won't illuminate half of space.

Also, Clark Kent sure as heck can function outside of Earth's atmosphere. A kryptonians density, wouldn't change outside our atmosphere. It wouldn't really change anywhere. Density is one of those pretty much constant things, until you get to really bizarre situations. His powers, are solar related. He absorbs the energy, stores it like a battery, and uses it as time goes on, in the form of superpowers. The more he stores, and the less he exerts regularly, the stronger his powers become. Going into space, would give him a vastly larger concentration of solar energy to work with, and would in fact, power him up faster.

And hey, if leaving the atmosphere was a problem for Clark, shouldn't taking him to the sun, have fried him, rather than returned him to normal?

My biggest problem was in Veritas, how Kara presumably flew around Krypton's red sun (Rao, or W5 in this show as seen in Rosetta) and landed on Krypton. A Kryptonian is supposed to not only be powerless in the presence of a red sun, but also vulnerable to it if not protected by an atmosphere. So wouldn't Rao just very quickly zap away all of Kara's remaining stored energy, rendering her like a human in space (vulnerable to exploding)?

[dru-zod2501]

MM didn't take him TO the sun but nearer the sun. I suppose it's lined up with the fact that the earth is nearer to the sun than Mars is but Mars is next closest. So Clark gets empowered by the yellow sun and MM is harmed if he gets too close to it but he needs to escape earth's atmosphere in order to be healed. So once CK learns to fly he can just take MM out of earth's atmosphere and he'll be healed. All of this still doesn't explain why Kara can go back to Krypton or what's left of it by flying there while Brandon Routh had to take a space ship.
the thing is, no one knows where Kandor really is, or how far SV kryptonians can go on their own power. for all we know, Kandor could be somewhere in our solar system, or on the other side of the galaxy.

SR Superman used a ship to go back to Krypton because the red sun would have depowered him. wait... I anticipate an objection from galatians221... didn't Krypton's sun go nova in the opening of the movie? Yes it looked that way. Then I guess SR supers doesn't have the power to traverse 28 galaxies under his own power

How far a Kryptonian can go on their own is an unanswerable question; there is no single answer

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My biggest problem was in Veritas, how Kara presumably flew around Krypton's red sun (Rao, or W5 in this show as seen in Rosetta) and landed on Krypton. A Kryptonian is supposed to not only be powerless in the presence of a red sun, but also vulnerable to it if not protected by an atmosphere. So wouldn't Rao just very quickly zap away all of Kara's remaining stored energy, rendering her like a human in space (vulnerable to exploding)?
I thought Brainy could've shielded her after they went through the portal. He did need her alive anyway

[falcon64z8]

I dont think we will know. Its just like how can MM fly clark to the sun to get his powers but at the same time lose his. In which if he loses his powers how can they fly back home?

[galatians221]

I dont think we will know. Its just like how can MM fly clark to the sun to get his powers but at the same time lose his. In which if he loses his powers how can they fly back home?

He drags Clark up and Clark drags him back. Kind of like changing drivers in a traffic jam.

[yaseen101]

Superman can travel various distances in space and even out of the solar systems and can hold his breath for a long time. His body is a solar battery that can store sunlight for hours or even days except in the Phantom Zone (which makes sense since it's a prison) and under a red sun. Moreover, Smallville may take some ideas from the movies but they are not exactly the same because Clark can travel at near light speeds. Assuming Kara can do the same and there been other yellow suns in the Universe and Kara is shown to be aware of other planets since her line in the episode Kara (We were the most advanced species in the entire galaxy) shows that she can pit stop at certain planets for recharges, supplies, ships and bathroom breaks. So she is far more equipped at surviving outerspace.

[old guy]

Let me make sure I'm understanding you......are you saying that Superman is a fictional character?

Such blasphemy!!::eek:

[Kal el of krypton]

Clark doesn't need to hold his breathe for so long outerspace, it was for a short period of time in the comics they changed him so he isn't so powerful and said he holds his breathe out of space. Before this, he was able to fly around and didn't need to breathe. The comics changed him after and made him more powerful. The same was done about explosions. They said he wasn't able to stand a nuclear blast. Now he can withstand it.

When kara goes out of the atmosphere, the yellow sun is still present and if anything she is stronger as the suns radiation are still around. Once she flies off somewhere further and away from the sun, she will slowly become weaker.

That is why kal el used the ship in superman returns because soon he would be powerless however he could fly around the earths atmosphere and was hovering in space when he was listening to all the sounds on earth.

[superhippie2000]

He drags Clark up and Clark drags him back. Kind of like changing drivers in a traffic jam.
but clark cant fly so do they just fall to the ground or can clark atleast float enough not to blow up the earth from the impact or what lol.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Seeing as MM is supposed to be based on Mars i imagine that she will stop off there and find a suitable vehicle.

[vikingjedi]

Where did Routh get a spaceship in SR to fly back home if Krypton had been destroyed?

[galatians221]

but clark cant fly so do they just fall to the ground or can clark atleast float enough not to blow up the earth from the impact or what lol.

Clark told MM in the barn "I'm still working on getting your powers restored" which means to me that he has flight on his mind. Perhaps Jor El will turn on the switch when the FOS is reconstituted. He can leap tall buildings in a single bound so if he considers the moon a tall building maybe he'll figure it out.

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Where did Routh get a spaceship in SR to fly back home if Krypton had been destroyed?

He flew it up from the earth. I don't know if it was his original or if he made one on his own. I'm guessing that's why it took five years.

[Smalvil1]

kryptonians can store sun energy. thats why.

[Estro-gen X]

If we are talking in the long run its not hard to believe that she will stop off at other planets and then get transport. The DCU is vast. There is thanagar, colu, rann, winath, braal, tamaran etc... all of which would be places to rest reabsorb sunlight or get a ship capable of space travel the likes of which earth cannot create.

[old guy]

Where did Routh get a spaceship in SR to fly back home if Krypton had been destroyed?

According to the book Superman Returns, the author implies that he restored the ship that originally carried him to Earth as a baby.

[Griffin]

I mean she's leaving for another planet and I thought Kryptonian power was available only within earth's atmosphere powered by the yellow sun? In Superman Returns he had to take a space ship there and back and Kara is going to fly by her little old self? What's up with that?

No, no, no, no.....Kryptonians have their powers as long as they are in the presence of a yellow sun. Our suns rays reach out to the entire solar system. Plus there are other yellow/orange stars throughout the universe. In Superman Returns Superman took a ship back to Krypton because that area doesn't have a yellow sun. So Superman probably would have gotten there under his own power, but would have run out of juice and wouldn't have gotten back. According to the movie it took 2 1/2 years to get their and the same amount of time to get back.

Read the comics, Superman has had numerous adventures throughout the universe not just limited to Earth.

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Help me out here: if the red sun of Krypton was the source of his power then he would have super powers on Krypton. Brando said that his molecular density would cause him to have super powers on earth and that is why he chose earth. I remember Laura asking him "why earth?" and he said that his molecular density would bring about great powers on earth. I want to know the truth. (this is all true right?)

Kryptonians naturally have their abilities. They just need a yellow/orangish star to bring them out.

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There is no sunlight in outer space. Sun rays have to strike an object to create light. Space is darkness. There is no benefit from the yellow sun in outer space. That's why Kal El needs to be in earth's atmosphere. We saw him weakened in Superman Returns after coming out of the water. He flew up to the yellow sun but within our atmosphere (just above the clouds) to be healed. The contrast to this is MM who has to leave earth's atmosphere to be healed and who is harmed by our yellow sun. Once he gets into outer space his powers will return. The dilemma is how can CK leave earth's atmosphere where he will lose his powers in order for MM to be out of our atmosphere to regain his powers. This is important stuff.

Oh, and Lois' density was supposed to be a joke.

Of course there is sunlight in outer space. Suns rays do not have to "strike" an object to create light. The Sun itself (a star) creates the light. In outer space a kryptonian would absorb more solar radiation than in the Earth's atomospher because of Earth's atmosphere diminishes much of the suns rays. In other words Clark isn't getting 100% solar radiation when he's on Earth. He'd need to leave Earth to get the full 100% rays of the sun.

In Superman Returns he goes into the upper atmosphere to get a quick charge. That's all he needed, he didn't need to leave Earth. Had he left Earth's atmosphere he would have gotten an even bigger boost.

As for returning to Krypton, there is no yellowish/orangish star in that area of space. It's a long journey to the remains of Krypton and Superman would have run out of "juice." He had to use the ship, when he returned to Earth he had no powers and barely survived the crash landing because he was vunerable.

[HalJordan4184]

Let's try this. galatians221, he took a spaceship, because the chunks of Krypton that are left, would all be KRYPTONITE. While he may have been able to fly there on his own, having large chunks of kryptonite around, wouldn't have been very good for his continued existance.

So distance, and lack of a yellow sun to keep him charged was a factor, and having an entire planet's worth of debris, which is all kryptonite, is a factor.

[galatians221]

Let's try this. galatians221, he took a spaceship, because the chunks of Krypton that are left, would all be KRYPTONITE. While he may have been able to fly there on his own, having large chunks of kryptonite around, wouldn't have been very good for his continued existance.

So distance, and lack of a yellow sun to keep him charged was a factor, and having an entire planet's worth of debris, which is all kryptonite, is a factor.

Works for me. Is that why he was so weak when he returned? Seems like he would have healed by then. I mean 2.5 years up and 2.5 years back. Does anyone know if he went in his original space ship?

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Krypton's red sun would still be there, so when Kara gets there she'll have to have rented a ship from some 'Rent a Ship' place on some planet.

She would also need to wear a lead suit to avoid the kryptonite.

I don't think she thought it through before leaving. :lol:

[galatians221]

Krypton's red sun would still be there, so when Kara gets there she'll have to have rented a ship from some 'Rent a Ship' place on some planet.

She would also need to wear a lead suit to avoid the kryptonite.

I don't think she thought it through before leaving. :lol:

Must have been a blonde moment.

[B_M4N]

I guess I don't understand why everyone thinks Kara is going to Krypton or any where near it she obviously knows it was destroyed so Kandor would not be there it would be in another location so it's really not an issue.

[WisdomConners]

I mean she's leaving for another planet and I thought Kryptonian power was available only within earth's atmosphere powered by the yellow sun? In Superman Returns he had to take a space ship there and back and Kara is going to fly by her little old self? What's up with that?


Sadly, this is what I HATE about Smallville. It confuses too many people into thinking that it's the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth regarding Superman and it's not. This is a retelling which has strayed so far from the comics in so many area's it's just not wise to try to compare it to anything outside of itself. The movies, bad as Superman returns was, asre still closer to the comic books than Smallville ever will be.

[mistaguitarmasta]

How can Kara fly outside of earth's atmosphere?

The same way Santa can go to every child's house on Earth in one night. You just hafta believe. :-P

[baltazor]

It was never implied that Kara went to find Kandor by flying. All other times she flew away she was seen leaving earth's atmosphere. and just went to another point on earth.

[galatians221]

Sadly, this is what I HATE about Smallville. It confuses too many people into thinking that it's the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth regarding Superman and it's not. This is a retelling which has strayed so far from the comics in so many area's it's just not wise to try to compare it to anything outside of itself. The movies, bad as Superman returns was, asre still closer to the comic books than Smallville ever will be.

But there are many keepers of the mythos who post here and it leads to some great discussions. Sometimes the mythos can be improved. I think the glasses disguise is one of them. But that's for another thread.

[HalJordan4184]

Why would the red sun be there. It was confirmed in previous episodes, the red sun, as well as the planet itself, are both gone. This was even mentioned way back as early as the first two seasons, when Clark learns the star where Krypton was, is gone now.

[Clark-Lois]

Sadly, this is what I HATE about Smallville. It confuses too many people into thinking that it's the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth regarding Superman and it's not. This is a retelling which has strayed so far from the comics in so many area's it's just not wise to try to compare it to anything outside of itself. The movies, bad as Superman returns was, asre still closer to the comic books than Smallville ever will be.

Personally i don't see what the big deal is. Smallville is not the comics. It has it's own way of telling the story. I don't care what anyone says. I love smallville and always will. the only problems i ever have with smallville (and it's my fault, not theirs) is i hate the cliff hangers in the season finales. i hate waiting to find out what happens. but i don't compare smallville to anything else completely. i mean i know Lois and Clark are soul mates and end up getting married. I hope that they at least date in smallville. but that's it.

[galatians221]

Personally i don't see what the big deal is. Smallville is not the comics. It has it's own way of telling the story. I don't care what anyone says. I love smallville and always will. the only problems i ever have with smallville (and it's my fault, not theirs) is i hate the cliff hangers in the season finales. i hate waiting to find out what happens. but i don't compare smallville to anything else completely. i mean i know Lois and Clark are soul mates and end up getting married. I hope that they at least date in smallville. but that's it.

The TV show I grew up watching The Adventures of Superman with George Reeves was not a comic. I read the comics but preferred the simplicity of a mild mannered reporter who fought the never ending battle for truth justice and the American way. He fought bad guys and we didn't have FOTW's, Green Arrows, Black Canaries and all of that other nonsense. Superman is a tough thing to do. The movies to date have all been too campy or cartoonish while Lois and Clark couldn't decide if it was a situation comedy or a drama. Smallville has been a drama and a bit of a soap opera. They play it straight and don't have Otis or Miss Teschmaker acting like morons but rather they try to make an unbelievable story rather realistic. When they go the comic book route then they lose that sense of realism. I like the simplicity of Lois and Clark this season and hate the ambulance driver and the FOTW conventions and the PZ with Kara and Brainiac infecting Chloe. Just give me CK in the daily planet helping catch bad guys and the interaction between him and Lois and I could care less about all of that other comic book nonsense.

[jazzylg]

Kara never said she was flying out into space, she just said she was leaving smallville. They never actually showed her leaving the planet. Unless they gave the kryptonians on smallville pre-crisis(1985) abilities such as :no need to breath in space, faster than light speed flight, time travel ability, and planet moving strength, she would need a spaceship to travel the 360 light year distance to the last known location of krypton.

[galatians221]

Kara never said she was flying out into space, she just said she was leaving smallville. They never actually showed her leaving the planet. Unless they gave the kryptonians on smallville pre-crisis(1985) abilities such as :no need to breath in space, faster than light speed flight, time travel ability, and planet moving strength, she would need a spaceship to travel the 360 light year distance to the last known location of krypton.

You're right. She may be back in Detroit. That should be interesting.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Why would the red sun be there. It was confirmed in previous episodes, the red sun, as well as the planet itself, are both gone. This was even mentioned way back as early as the first two seasons, when Clark learns the star where Krypton was, is gone now.

1 quick question

-Since kryptonians powers come from the yellow sun, wouldn't no sun at all still mean no powers, which would mean death?

[cousteau]

Kryptonians have greater lung capacity, and their powers aren't dependant on them being within the Earth's atmosphere - Just the Sol system.


1 quick question

-Since kryptonians powers come from the yellow sun, wouldn't no sun at all still mean no powers, which would mean death?

Already been covered over the past couple of years actually - Clark was normal for the duration of the sun not giving him powers.

[dru-zod2501]

I'm somewhat surprised this thread is still going....

[Hopefulsuicide]

Kryptonians have greater lung capacity, and their powers aren't dependant on them being within the Earth's atmosphere - Just the Sol system.



Already been covered over the past couple of years actually - Clark was normal for the duration of the sun not giving him powers.

Oh right, so is Kandor in the same solar system as earth?

[adromidon]

I see it as this Clark/ Superman can store a un specified amount of solar radiation (because it is not the light but the solar radiation that gives him his power) so when he goes outside the reach of the suns radiation his stored energy would then start to depleat allowing him a set amount of time with rapidly decreasing powers

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In the Doomsday cartoon he actually makes a suit that amplifies the solar radiation so that he can quickly recover from the fight with doomsday

[galatians221]

I'm somewhat surprised this thread is still going....

Kryptonian lung power is a very interesting subject.

[dru-zod2501]

Oh right, so is Kandor in the same solar system as earth?
in this universe who knows? not likely I believe

[galatians221]

in this universe who knows? not likely I believe

That reminds me; Kara should be considered for the title of Miss Universe. Gives a whole new meaning to the title.

[Chulance]

There are many yellow suns in the superman universe. Also kryptonions store solar energy becasue many times superman has left to other civiliazations,galaxies ect

[HalJordan4184]

1 quick question

-Since kryptonians powers come from the yellow sun, wouldn't no sun at all still mean no powers, which would mean death?


Not necessarily. It depends what they are doing with no sun, how long they are around no sun, and how long they were previously in a yellow sun environment.

Kryptonians are living batteries. They absorb and STORE solar energy in each cell of their body. Their powers, come from their built up solar reserves. They adapted to live in a red sun environment, which gives off different levels of radiations. In essence, think of it as a steam engine. A steam engine would drive small ships, and even some larger ones, but not fast, and not for long without constant refueling. It's power output was low. They could draw enough power to live, and do everything we normally could basically.

When they came to Earth, they got hooked up to a nuclear reactor. They went into overdrive. Suddenly, there is enough power to help them do things no one else ever could before. And rather than just bleed off the excess, it keeps building up in storage, enabling them to do bigger, better feats as time goes on. If they end up using a lot at once, their power might wane, until they build a big enough reserve back up, but that happens rather quickly. For something like travelling in space, out of the range of our sun, they would eventually run out of power, but it depends on things like what they did, how far from a suitable star, and a few other factors.

So, no sun, plus heavy use of their powers, and no suitable place to get a recharge from, and yeah, they'd be screwed. Luckily, yellow stars, are very common.

[Griffin]

Let's try this. galatians221, he took a spaceship, because the chunks of Krypton that are left, would all be KRYPTONITE. While he may have been able to fly there on his own, having large chunks of kryptonite around, wouldn't have been very good for his continued existance.

So distance, and lack of a yellow sun to keep him charged was a factor, and having an entire planet's worth of debris, which is all kryptonite, is a factor.

Yep that too.

[galatians221]

Not necessarily. It depends what they are doing with no sun, how long they are around no sun, and how long they were previously in a yellow sun environment.

Kryptonians are living batteries. They absorb and STORE solar energy in each cell of their body. Their powers, come from their built up solar reserves. They adapted to live in a red sun environment, which gives off different levels of radiations. In essence, think of it as a steam engine. A steam engine would drive small ships, and even some larger ones, but not fast, and not for long without constant refueling. It's power output was low. They could draw enough power to live, and do everything we normally could basically.

When they came to Earth, they got hooked up to a nuclear reactor. They went into overdrive. Suddenly, there is enough power to help them do things no one else ever could before. And rather than just bleed off the excess, it keeps building up in storage, enabling them to do bigger, better feats as time goes on. If they end up using a lot at once, their power might wane, until they build a big enough reserve back up, but that happens rather quickly. For something like travelling in space, out of the range of our sun, they would eventually run out of power, but it depends on things like what they did, how far from a suitable star, and a few other factors.

So, no sun, plus heavy use of their powers, and no suitable place to get a recharge from, and yeah, they'd be screwed. Luckily, yellow stars, are very common.

I was trying to remember who the poster was that said Superman was a fictional character. It's not you. We probably ran him off.