Like Father, Like Son

[Kel-El09]

When Faora tells Clark that he has feelings for the body that she inhabits, she says like father like son...I didn't get the reference?

[dru-zod2501]

maybe cause Jor-El once developed feelings for a human female, in Relic?

[Alexander III]

Remember back in a few seasons ago an episode talked about how Jor-El came down on earth long long time ago and fell in love w/ that Lana-looking woman (Lana's ancester or something)

[abbaspice1]

I wonder if she is referring to the fact that Clark's father felt something other than loathing towards humans.

[DAISHI]

Well there is that flashback episode where Jor-El falls in love with Lana's grandma.

[Kel-El09]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Relic!! Do you really think that's what she was referring to though? How would she, or anyone else on Krypton, know that Jor-El fell in love with her? I'm guessing Jor-El wasn't the first to share the news, he even put his memories into the cave wall.

[abbaspice1]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Relic!! Do you really think that's what she was referring to though? How would she, or anyone else on Krypton, know that Jor-El fell in love with her? I'm guessing Jor-El wasn't the first to share the news, he even put his memories into the cave wall.

I had forgotten about Relic! Hmmm, Ms. Zod can even sense the chemistry between Lois and Clark! That is one smart woman!

[onebighottie]

When Faora tells Clark that he has feelings for the body that she inhabits, she says like father like son...I didn't get the reference?

Okay, I maybe wrong here, but that line maybe in refference to the time when Jor-el came to earth and had feelings for an earth women who looked like Lana. It's in this same episode that Jor-el meets John Kents parents and decides that the kents are best suited to look after Clark.

[individuall]

I thought she meant caring about humans/Earth in general...Jor-El obviously liked Earth and it's inhabitants when he came here and he sent his son go help protect them...That's how I interpreted it..
I don't think she was referring the Louise thing...How would she even know about? :/

[roccanater]

Yeah. Lana's ancester and Joe El. That's right.

[pizzahead2490]

reference to relic

[latingirl]

In the season 3, Jor-El came down on earth long long time ago and fell in love with lana's grandaunt (Louis), Lana-looking woman. And Now clark has feeling to Lois, And also clark knows jor-el romantic story

[imaginaryhero]

I thought she meant caring about humans/Earth in general...Jor-El obviously liked Earth and it's inhabitants when he came here and he sent his son go help protect them...That's how I interpreted it..
I don't think she was referring the Louise thing...How would she even know about? :/
I was thinking the same thing.

[dru-zod2501]

I thought she meant caring about humans/Earth in general...Jor-El obviously liked Earth and it's inhabitants when he came here and he sent his son go help protect them...That's how I interpreted it..
I don't think she was referring the Louise thing...How would she even know about? :/
you don't know he might've told someone, and the word got around, or they could've ripped it from his mind with some krypto mind-reader doohickey who knows

[Ellsbury]

I thought she meant caring about humans/Earth in general...Jor-El obviously liked Earth and it's inhabitants when he came here and he sent his son go help protect them...That's how I interpreted it..
I don't think she was referring the Louise thing...How would she even know about? :/

Even if a reference to Relic is possible, this explanation sounds more realistic.

[kaam]

I thought she meant caring about humans/Earth in general...Jor-El obviously liked Earth and it's inhabitants when he came here and he sent his son go help protect them...That's how I interpreted it..
I don't think she was referring the Louise thing...How would she even know about? :/

I agree.


you don't know he might've told someone, and the word got around, or they could've ripped it from his mind with some krypto mind-reader doohickey who knows

It's impossible for her to even know Jor-el's actions. Jor-el hid the journal necklace because he didn't want to take it back. It had too many bad memories. And I think of Jor-el as a person who likes his privacy, so why would he mention something like that.

[bobsuncorp]

It seems to be the consensus that Fayo-Ra (I'm guessing thats how its spelt) was referring to Jor-El's relationship with Lana's grandmother, or possibly humans in general.

But what if she was referring to the fact that Jor-El and she used to be an item? There's a lot about his life that we don't know about, and its entirely possible that Zod's hatred towards him was partly over a woman. For her part, Fayo-Ra could be homicidal towards Jor-El for dumping her for Lara.

[ColdPlay3r]

yeh gotta do with caring and being generous 2wards humanity

or they both like lois

[Kalista]

It was a reference to the Louise/Jor-El relationship. Faora said he had feelings for the woman's body that she inhabited, then she made the like father/like son reference. So I don't think she was referring to mankind in general because that doesn't make sense in the context of the conversation.

If Faora said that she could sense that he cared for humans, then it would be more logical to assume that she was referring to mankind in general but she wasn't speaking in generalities.

[octavia2123]

i think its to do with the fact that jor el was more caring towards humans that he sent kal el to protect earth not to destroy it like the zods did with doomy just my thoughts

[marikology]

To me it was a clear reference to Jor-El's compassion for humans, something Brainiac has brought up as well. She was completely taken aback by Davis' caregiver role and Clark was apologizing profusely and taking the blame for putting Lois through this. I could maybe see a romance angle if he'd said, "Lois, you're not yourself! Come back to me!" or something like that, but since he's a compassionate being, he was upset that he'd put her through the trauma, and that's what Faora was picking up on.

I was more confused by her line about how Lara and Jor-El aren't looking for him. ??? They're dead!

[DontCha]

because Jor el fell in love with a human being when he came to earth. Clark is falling in love and she spotted it. Maxima called it out in Lois, Faora calls it out in Clark. Its funny how very symmetrical clois is, whatever happens to one tends to happen to the other some time after.

if theres one thing this season has shown us is that it holds continuity to past seasons:

Jor-el in the past (on this show) has done absolutely NOTHING to suggest his love for human life APART from falling in love with one of them and trusting one man...who's son he later killed to save his own son.

other than that he's been portrayed as a cold person toward human beings, remember the "they are a flawed race rule them with strength my son"

Yes that sounds so compassionate he must love all human beings....right. Nope, he's only ever loved one human being in this incarnation of Superman.

[Sv.LoisLane]

Maybe Faora was referring to Clark not being able to fight her because he didn't want to hurt Lois' body (and because he usually is a gentleman and doesn't hit women :D) His feelings (not only for Lois, but in general) control his actions. Maybe Jor-El was the same way. He wanted to save his planet, his son and who knows what other good things he did. I know most people think he's a terrible father, but he loves his son and doesn't want him to make the same mistakes he did. He has seen his planet destroyed and has lost everything so.. (again, this is all a big maybe).
IDK if this makes sense :confused:

[DontCha]

clark in that scene shows how concerned he is about Liis and Lois alone "Lois Im sorry its all my fault". And Faora picks up on his feelings and ridicules him for having feelings for a particular human.

Like father like son

Jor-el in smallville has only ever loved one human being and shown a coldness to all the rest.

I know clark cares about all humans but if faora was trying to imply that Jor-el was like him then it wouldnt make sense to the jor-el we all know from Smallville. Because Smallville's Jor-el has only ever shown love to one particular human being and im sure everyone on Krypton heard about it like gossip lol..

[Ardiem3]

I think she meant that Jor-El let his feelings for the people he cared about be all thta mattered when to her, Zod, and others, all they cared about was power...

[DontCha]

but she says "you have feelings for this this creature" to Krypronians im sure they dont refer to their own kind as creatures..

she meant human IMO

[oldblackmagick]

It seems to be the consensus that Fayo-Ra (I'm guessing thats how its spelt) was referring to Jor-El's relationship with Lana's grandmother, or possibly humans in general.

But what if she was referring to the fact that Jor-El and she used to be an item? There's a lot about his life that we don't know about, and its entirely possible that Zod's hatred towards him was partly over a woman. For her part, Fayo-Ra could be homicidal towards Jor-El for dumping her for Lara.

there was already the jor-el/lara/zor-el love triangle...don't think we need to put him in another one do you?:p

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clark in that scene shows how concerned he is about Liis and Lois alone "Lois Im sorry its all my fault". And Faora picks up on his feelings and ridicules him for having feelings for a particular human.

Like father like son

Jor-el in smallville has only ever loved one human being and shown a coldness to all the rest.

I know clark cares about all humans but if faora was trying to imply that Jor-el was like him then it wouldnt make sense to the jor-el we all know from Smallville. Because Smallville's Jor-el has only ever shown love to one particular human being and im sure everyone on Krypton heard about it like gossip lol..

first off his own father never even found out cause he hid it...from everyone...also jor-el wasn't cold to everyone. he was quite friendly and thankful to hiram kent even though he could have just as easily sent him to the moon with a single hit...im just saying:)

[bobsuncorp]

there was already the jor-el/lara/zor-el love triangle...don't think we need to put him in another one do you?:p

How about a love square, or pentagon?

No but seriously I was thinking more along the lines of: Jor-El leaves Earth heartbroken over the native girl, rebounds with a hot but slightly crazy chick who that Zod guy keeps following around, gets over it, dumps her, goes out with Lara. Fayo-Ra goes psycho and swears vengence, hooks up with Zod who's started talking about himself in the third person and demanding people kneel before him.

Years pass, Lara and Jor-El get married, it was a lovely ceremony apart from Zor-El getting rather upset, what was that all about? Anyway, it is then that war breaks out against Zod, leading to Kryptons destruction.

So although the seeds of the hatred may have been borne from the pentagon it was a triangle back then. I'd say an Isoscles. With Fayo-Ra as the pointy bit.

[DontCha]

there was already the jor-el/lara/zor-el love triangle...don't think we need to put him in another one do you?:p

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first off his own father never even found out cause he hid it...from everyone...also jor-el wasn't cold to everyone. he was quite friendly and thankful to hiram kent even though he could have just as easily sent him to the moon with a single hit...im just saying:)


friendly and thankful to Hiram but he didnt have feelings for him

"You have feelings for this creature I inhabit"

Faora is talking about one person here because she says "creature", not the entire human race she then says "that I inhabit" meaning the ONE she is currently inhabiting : Lois Lane

In other words:
clark has feelings for Lois Lane

Ps3 are spelling it out as well as showing it to the audience in this episode and likewise in Instinct

The only singular human being i have ever seen Jor-el have feelings for is Louise.

[gem65]

I recall FS Jor-el showing compassion to Martha Kent in the season 6 premiere. He said something to the effect that he couldn't think of a brighter light to guide his son. I also recall from last season that Zor-el was in love with Lara - but she picked Jor-el instead.
As for Zod's wife - maybe Jor-el had a fling with her, but then fell for Lara. Who knows.

[REebee52]

This quote confused me too. I thought it was obvious she was saying "You like Lois Lane." What she meant by "like father like son" is lost on me. Did Jor El like Faora (whatever her name was)? Did she mean he fell for a human? (I doubt Jor El ever told anyone that story on Krypton). Did she just mean he was a loving person? I couldn't figure it out...
However, I think it's clear that Jor El is not the malevolent force force he was portrayed to be, rather just a strict father. He has shown compassion to many humans, and clearly wants Clark to help humanity. I think he's tested Clark in ways Clark and his family don't understand, but ultimately he wants the best. As to the "rule them with strength" that could easily be something lost in translation. Strength and honor are virtues, notice he didn't say "rule them with force." There's a huge difference between the two. As for using the word "rule" it could just mean "watch over." I wouldn't look too much into that quote.

[MrZeppo]

I think that there is no way for Faora to know about Louise and Jor-El. Kaam is 100% right. I doubt Jor-El would even admit that he had a fling on Earth, he was so adament about keeping it a secret. I think that statement was to be a slight nod to Clois fans and acknowledge Clark has feels for Lois, like in Maxima. But I think what she was referring to was Jor-El's affection for humans in general and Clark's similarity to his father. Jor-El HAD to have some admiration or affection for humans to send his only son to save them.

Raya, Lara, Zod, Faora, they have all dropped clues that Jor-El was a good & brilliant man that fought evil (criminals from the 28 known galaxies) and cared about humanity as much as Krypton. People keep assuming that the A.I is evil and cold. Or Jor-El was evil. I don't. I understand all the anti-Jor-El sentiment, I just can't agree with it. I cannot believe a woman like Lara would marry an evil man.

Why would Jor-El send Clark to save humanity if he was evil? Why would he program an A.I that was evil to guide his son? Why would he have saved Raya? Like gem65 said, why would he compliment Martha for being such an amazing parent for Kal-El in Zod? If you look at it's actions, the A.I has done what it could to push Clark to his kryptonian destiny because it is to save humanity from extinction. Any bad that comes out of it is usually a result of Clark being a BDA and mis-interpreting the A.I's intent.

The A.I has some reverence for humans. In the deleted scene for "Blue", Clark is in the FOS and the A.I admits to Clark that it admires humanity's capacity for good. But it feels Clark must only live with them, not become one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9gNLkxa_K4

So no, I don't buy that Jor-El or the A.I is evil. Sorry.