Doomsday has a mommy?!?!

[kal-el returns]

Doomsday has a mommy and daddy...who knew?? How sweet, even the supposed destroyer of earth does have loving parents...

[abbaspice1]

His mommy really loves him! Only want him to live up to his potential!!! Like any GREAT parent would...

[HalJordan4184]

And this just further alienates this Davis Bloom nonsense, from the real character of Doomsday. :(

[green_arrow_girl358]

i thought in the comics, zod and mrs zod met IN the zone, so there was no previous chance to have kids as was said in the show tonight.

[Alexander III]

His mommy just stabbed him!!

[AndiGirl]

His mommy just stabbed him!!

I dont understand that part. By stabbing Davis....that some how triggered his powers? :\

[HalJordan4184]

i thought in the comics, zod and mrs zod met IN the zone, so there was no previous chance to have kids as was said in the show tonight.

In the comics, Zod and Mrs. Zod never factored into anything really, because they've never been important characters, much less to Clark's development pre Superman. But this is Smallville, even Clark Kent, isn't really Clark Kent. Just an imitation.

[WalkinDude]

No, by stabbing him she did actually want to kill him. Doomsday always returns stronger after dying. Which is demonstrated by the ending.

[Effect]

Doomsday doesn't really stay dead. When he's killed he gets stronger and can't really be killed the same way twice. Which is why the blade didn't hurt Davis at the end as he had been killed that way already.

[AndiGirl]

No, by stabbing him she did actually want to kill him. Doomsday always returns stronger after dying. Which is demonstrated by the ending.

Oh...I see, so the "what doesnt kill us makes us stronger" line makes a lot more sense now! :lol: Thanks.

[dru-zod2501]

I'm assuming he started as some kind of normal kryptonian embryo that was manipulated extensively. Somewhat similar to Doomsday from the Justice League

[asxrasx]

I don't even know what to say, this is going so far off the comic lore....... :mad:

[Liquid-Prince]

He wasn't a biological son, he was created so technically they were spot on!

[Effect]

This origin explains why there is no information on Davis' first three years of his life (he was talking to Chloe about that). I might have taken him that time to grow into a human child and be found. Then he would havethen be sent his first foster home.

[HalJordan4184]

I'm assuming he started as some kind of normal kryptonian embryo that was manipulated extensively. Somewhat similar to Doomsday from the Justice League

Leaving the audience to make wild leaps, and assumptions, equals poor writing and storytelling.

[DAISHI]

Did they say she was his biological mother? I thought it was implying he was merely a genetic experiment of Zod.

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Leaving the audience to make wild leaps, and assumptions, equals poor writing and storytelling.

Or they're merely waiting to fill in the details later.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Storyline just keeps on getting interesting.

[Effect]

I don't even know what to say, this is going so far off the comic lore....... :mad:

Which isn't a problem. Smallville has never been a direct adaption of the comics (lets not forget there are different continuities from Superman's creation up till his current version). It's more or less always been inspired by it, based on it, and/or an reimagining.

A direct adaption of Doomsday would require to much work I think and even then you'd still have to do a lot of changes to make it fit to the Smallville world. What they are doing so far has been really good. I just hope they don't have Davis go all evil on us. I want to see him have a lot of conflict between the Davis persona and his Doomsday side.

[colibri]

They explained very clearly that he is NOT her biological son. Faora says quite clearly that they took genetic material from the most powerful creatures of Krypton and created him. This is exactly what he is in the comics with some minor Smallville variation.

[HalJordan4184]

It is a problem, because the character they are presenting, isn't Doomsday, and they just used the name, to cash in on a built in interest in another character.

If they want Doomsday, use Doomsday, not a crappy imitation, that isn't really Doomsday, because actually using Doomsday would have been too hard. It's not good writing, or story telling, to pick a character, say the way it is actually written, and characterized is too hard, and then give a simplistic dumbed down version, and call it an improvement.

[colibri]

It is a problem, because the character they are presenting, isn't Doomsday, and they just used the name, to cash in on a built in interest in another character.

If they want Doomsday, use Doomsday, not a crappy imitation, that isn't really Doomsday, because actually using Doomsday would have been too hard. It's not good writing, or story telling, to pick a character, say the way it is actually written, and characterized is too hard, and then give a simplistic dumbed down version, and call it an improvement.

Again, they explained quite clearly what he is and it does match up with the comics. Only here Zod made him.

[LightSeeker]

Wow! Doomsday is Zod and Faora's son? Who would have thunk. Thats one evil family.

[Alexander III]

Is Davis going to turn ugly, w/ sharp teeth growing out, and those grey skin all over him and a hideous monster-looking feature starts to appear???

[DAISHI]

Well so far we know he's a genetic amalgamation of the strongest creatures who evolves every time he dies.

So I'm good.

[HalJordan4184]

They explained very clearly that he is NOT her biological son. Faora says quite clearly that they took genetic material from the most powerful creatures of Krypton and created him. This is exactly what he is in the comics with some minor Smallville variation.

No, it's not even close to what he is. For one, Doomsday had no connection whatsoever to General Zod, or his wife. Two, he was created thousands of years before Zod and his wife even existed. He was not a genetic amalgamation of all of Krypton's most dangerous creatures. He was an experiment on forced evolution. He was an embryo from an alien race, that was placed into the Kryptonian environment, and continually killed, then cloned, then rekilled, and recloned, thousands and thousands of times, until a being who evolved beyond death was created, which then layed waste to everything, and caused galactic havoc, before being imprisoned on Earth, as it was a primitive world, with no intelligent life on it.

Smallville's character, who was created with the sole intent of taking over Earth, and killing Kal-El, isn't even close to Doomsday. Especially htis whole, human side of him thing, and being raised on Earth, only to want to destroy it, because Faora, and Zod say so.

[DAISHI]

Clark was never Lex's friend, he never met Lois until he got to Metropolis, and Brainiac didn't enter his life until far into his mythos. Seems fairly standard for Smallville's approach to the story.

[HalJordan4184]

Clark was never Lex's friend, he never met Lois until he got to Metropolis, and Brainiac didn't enter his life until far into his mythos. Seems fairly standard for Smallville's approach to the story.

Pre Crisis CLark Kent/Superboy was Lex Luthor's best, and only friend, until they had a falling out. That said Superboy, also met the teenage Lois Lane, who happened to be the cousin of his best friend at the time, Lana Lang. She even stayed in Smallville for awhile. Brainiac even has a few stories where he is trying to destroy a younger Clark Kent.

[Ragius]

They way they are depicting Doomsday is really confusing me.

I still don't understand the black-outs .. what is he doing during this time? Is he super-human? Is he running around with red eyes and fangs killing everyone?

I just don't know where they are going to take this.

[mistaguitarmasta]

No, it's not even close to what he is. For one, Doomsday had no connection whatsoever to General Zod, or his wife. Two, he was created thousands of years before Zod and his wife even existed. He was not a genetic amalgamation of all of Krypton's most dangerous creatures. He was an experiment on forced evolution. He was an embryo from an alien race, that was placed into the Kryptonian environment, and continually killed, then cloned, then rekilled, and recloned, thousands and thousands of times, until a being who evolved beyond death was created, which then layed waste to everything, and caused galactic havoc, before being imprisoned on Earth, as it was a primitive world, with no intelligent life on it.

Smallville's character, who was created with the sole intent of taking over Earth, and killing Kal-El, isn't even close to Doomsday. Especially htis whole, human side of him thing, and being raised on Earth, only to want to destroy it, because Faora, and Zod say so.

A year or two ago, I would have agreed with you 100%. You're right that this is nothing like the comics. I'm a very big comics fan (especially loving New Krypton & everything else Geoff Johns is doing right now) and it used to bother me that Smallville strays so far from cannon. But eventually I just stopped looking at it as current comic book continuity because there's no way it's anywhere near it. You know that, you're a mod and you've been posting here a long time. I don't need to tell you. I like to think of it as just another of the 52 universes in the multiverse. Makes the discrepancies a lot easier to accept.

[colibri]

No, it's not even close to what he is. For one, Doomsday had no connection whatsoever to General Zod, or his wife. Two, he was created thousands of years before Zod and his wife even existed. He was not a genetic amalgamation of all of Krypton's most dangerous creatures. He was an experiment on forced evolution. He was an embryo from an alien race, that was placed into the Kryptonian environment, and continually killed, then cloned, then rekilled, and recloned, thousands and thousands of times, until a being who evolved beyond death was created, which then layed waste to everything, and caused galactic havoc, before being imprisoned on Earth, as it was a primitive world, with no intelligent life on it.

Smallville's character, who was created with the sole intent of taking over Earth, and killing Kal-El, isn't even close to Doomsday. Especially htis whole, human side of him thing, and being raised on Earth, only to want to destroy it, because Faora, and Zod say so.

OK, I'm not going to argue with you. So be it. I thought it was a creative way of having the big elements of Doomsday on a show that already bends things so it is absolutely acceptable to me. We'll agree to disagree.

[HalJordan4184]

They way they are depicting Doomsday is really confusing me.

I still don't understand the black-outs .. what is he doing during this time? Is he super-human? Is he running around with red eyes and fangs killing everyone?

I just don't know where they are going to take this.

His balckouts are like when Clark turns into Kal. He's simply fulfilling his destiny. Davis Bloom, is his version of trying to fight that destiny.

And yeah, he is superhuman, and he is running around just killing things.

[pizzahead2490]

i dont think that they are going to far from the comics with doomsday at all, i mean doomday was created and he was created in this show, evry time doomsday die he gets stronger which happened in the show among other things

[RPintorO]

don't like it don't watch it....man so much negativity

[unfocused]

I'm loving what they are doing with Davis Bloom and Doomsday. It's very interesting, and Bloodline was really great at keeping my attention on this character.

[Meteror Freak]

So Doomsday came to earth as a microscopic organism attached to Clark in CLark's ship??? huh? Does anyone else not like this turn of events?

[Routh]

I'm not sure what to make of the Zod/Faora lineage thing, but I am glad they included the killing-healing-adapting thing. I guess he can't be killed by puncture wounds anymore. The knife scene was cool!

[wooosmallville]

whys everyone so negative! gosh! the storylines are continious! not everything is resolved in a 42 min episode! just give it time before passing judgements..clearly this season has shown great continuity..just give it a chance! SV is not following the comics..who cares? there are so many different versions out there..SV just has their own take on it..relax and let it be!

[zorasuperman]

from what i've understood, and if im wrong please feel free to correct me im always up to learn more about superman and his adventures or simply anything superman related:

Doomsday was a created entity (i hope im using the right words lol) on planet krypton. as obviously stated, he was created by general zod, and his wife faora since those two culd not have children. he was a tortured individual, and treated inhumanly and of course that would lead to his death. but he would come back stronger and what killed him previusly he would be immune to it the second time around. think of it as getting sick; if im correct once you get that particular sickness you cannot get it again. true, if it is a different virus/disease replicated into different strands givign you similar symptons its a whole another game. same concept applies to doomsday he is stronger hte second time around and immuen to what has killed him previously. he eventually came to earth, as faora said to be the ultimate destroyer.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm liking it so far...

To gripe that it varies from the comics is a bit silly. Of course stuff on SV is going to vary slightly from the comics. The basic tenets are still there.

[wooosmallville]

i think people always try to find the negative aspect of a show..dunno why..it doesn't help enjoy the show anymore..sure superman is preestablished..but the way he gets there is not set in stone..thats what makes the show enjoyable.we don't know exactly which direction the writers will take the show in

[colibri]

I'm liking it so far...

To gripe that it varies from the comics is a bit silly. Of course stuff on SV is going to vary slightly from the comics. The basic tenets are still there.

Absolutely. Short and to the point and exactly what I meant earlier.

[Bane]

And this just further alienates this Davis Bloom nonsense, from the real character of Doomsday. :(


I really don't see what the big deal is about changing his backstory a little bit. They've made the character more interesting than just being a monster who shows up out of literally no where, wreaks havoc, and kills the beloved hero. Truthfully, I like that he started out like a saint, and he is being broken down, and will be rebuilt into Doomsday.

I guess people don't have a taste for good storytelling anymore.

[Faerus]

OMG...As I knew Zod was killed by Doomsday and they had nothing to do....Why does Smallville tell us that he is son of Zod and Faora??? :confused:

[ZODisGOD]

it's not like he's their biological son.

[DarthJay]

Wait - I'm so confused....I thought Davis was Darth Vader's secret apprentice. Now it turns out he's really Doomsday?! Man...the Emporer must have been PISSED!

[kal-el_Girl]

Doomsday doesn't really stay dead. When he's killed he gets stronger and can't really be killed the same way twice. Which is why the blade didn't hurt Davis at the end as he had been killed that way already.

wow!! thanks for the 411, very interesting and helpful.. ;)

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I really don't see what the big deal is about changing his backstory a little bit. They've made the character more interesting than just being a monster who shows up out of literally no where, wreaks havoc, and kills the beloved hero. Truthfully, I like that he started out like a saint, and he is being broken down, and will be rebuilt into Doomsday.

I guess people don't have a taste for good storytelling anymore.

I agree, people are so touchy :p I'm glad that I'm not alone in morphing davis' character into doomsday

[unfocused]

I really don't see what the big deal is about changing his backstory a little bit. They've made the character more interesting than just being a monster who shows up out of literally no where, wreaks havoc, and kills the beloved hero. Truthfully, I like that he started out like a saint, and he is being broken down, and will be rebuilt into Doomsday.

I guess people don't have a taste for good storytelling anymore.

"Broken down." I really like the way you put that. I like this version of Doomsday a lot. One of the things I've always loved about this character is his ability to come back to life stronger than before and unable to be killed the same way again. So I'm VERY happy to have seen Faora kill Davis so he will see for himself that he is different, and so so so powerful. It was just an incredible moment in Smallville history.

And I agree, this Doomsday is much more interesting. His "human side" and his fall into darkness is very thrilling to watch. I also LOVE how Zod and Faora created him to be Earths destroyer in contrast to Superman being Earths savior, and then bringing him along to Earth with Clark. The two destinies are great, and opposing each other, it's just all so riveting.

[kaam]

I dont understand that part. By stabbing Davis....that some how triggered his powers? :\

He evolved! No one can stab him now :rolleyes:

[Timester]

So, Doomsday is a Kryptonian biological experiement that evolves? I'm happy with that.

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No, it's not even close to what he is. For one, Doomsday had no connection whatsoever to General Zod, or his wife. Two, he was created thousands of years before Zod and his wife even existed. He was not a genetic amalgamation of all of Krypton's most dangerous creatures. He was an experiment on forced evolution. He was an embryo from an alien race, that was placed into the Kryptonian environment, and continually killed, then cloned, then rekilled, and recloned, thousands and thousands of times, until a being who evolved beyond death was created, which then layed waste to everything, and caused galactic havoc, before being imprisoned on Earth, as it was a primitive world, with no intelligent life on it.

Smallville's character, who was created with the sole intent of taking over Earth, and killing Kal-El, isn't even close to Doomsday. Especially htis whole, human side of him thing, and being raised on Earth, only to want to destroy it, because Faora, and Zod say so.

I'm still waiting for the Geoff Johns' Doomsday origin (I assume that he is going to change it) on the New Krypton arc. Because the Doomsday was created during the Kryptonian Clone Wars, but that Krypton is gone since Infinite Crisis.

Anyway, JLU Doomsday was still Doomsday, yet he had a completelly different origin on JLU (he was a imperfect clone of Superman).

[KEGZilla]

I really liked the Davis/Doomsday part of the episode this week. I'm hoping that they show his emotional struggle between his good side and the Doomsday side that wants to come out and destroy everything.

[Pantalaimon]

Above all, I like how they tied Davis into all the other story lines, combined with the knowledge that this guy will one day kill Superman. And I don't really mind that Smallville is re-imagining the Superman mythology

I do have some reservations, however, about the deviations they introduced for Doomsday. They are psychologising Doomsday's evil nature. This has been a trend in many different shows in recent times and is becoming a little boring. For me this is supported by how refreshing it felt to have a Joker in The Dark Knight who was a plain and simple psychopath. There was no psychologising - in fact they made fun of that by having him change his back story all the time.

Right now I'm just hoping the Davis/Doomsday story will be good. I hope they can make it work satisfyingly.

[ronmanb77]

The creators of Smallville have never once said they were going to follow the comics, in fact I seem to recall several years ago, that they intended to NOT follow the comics.

Get over yourselves, its a TV show, they nearly always change things when they adapt a comic book, or book to a TV show or movie.

[RedKRules]

The look on Davis`s face when Faora said that ... was priceless .... loved it :lol:

[costas22]

Here is another thought.I speculated about this in the spoiler section.What if Doomsday following Clark to earth isn't how it originally happened in 1986?What if Brainiac's purpose for going back to Krypton last year was to help Zod and Faora send Doomsday to earth?That would explain his threat that Clark's end is coming at Arctic.

[KLGChaos]

I personally really enjoy what they're doing with Doomsday. It's the Smallville version-- it's its own entity while still paying homage to the comics, as seen with the whole genetic material/evolution/adaptation thing. Of course, in the original comics, his growth took thousands if not millions of years (forget which exactly)-- ie, he was killed over and over again, but would eventually adapt to it over time-- by evolving slowly, until he became the perfecting killing machine. Of course, Smallville doesn't have the luxury of that much time, so they had to shorten the adaptation time, which works for me.

[gameface25]

get over it, I love the Smallville twist they are putting on this. More realistic imo. Great twist, great writing

[SnowBird]

I like Smallville's version of Doomsday just like their version of the other characters. This is great TV and I'm enjoying the episodes very much. I'm looking forward to what SV Doomsday looks like by the end of the season. SMALLVILLE ROCKS!!!

[Malicieux Toutou]

Here is another thought.I speculated about this in the spoiler section.What if Doomsday following Clark to earth isn't how it originally happened in 1986?What if Brainiac's purpose for going back to Krypton last year was to help Zod and Faora send Doomsday to earth?That would explain his threat that Clark's end is coming at Arctic.


I like this idea. It would explain the strange affinity that Chloe has for Davis.

[rocana]

Personally I think this version is much closer to the comic version than I ever expected. When I first heard of doomsday showing up, I assummed it would done completely horribly and include nothing from the comics except the name. The fact that they're including some of his comic background at all is good to me. I never expected the origins to match the comics and think it's actually pretty clever that they came up with even a remotely similar character.

[KryptonStones]

No, it's not even close to what he is. For one, Doomsday had no connection whatsoever to General Zod, or his wife. Two, he was created thousands of years before Zod and his wife even existed. He was not a genetic amalgamation of all of Krypton's most dangerous creatures. He was an experiment on forced evolution. He was an embryo from an alien race, that was placed into the Kryptonian environment, and continually killed, then cloned, then rekilled, and recloned, thousands and thousands of times, until a being who evolved beyond death was created, which then layed waste to everything, and caused galactic havoc, before being imprisoned on Earth, as it was a primitive world, with no intelligent life on it.

Smallville's character, who was created with the sole intent of taking over Earth, and killing Kal-El, isn't even close to Doomsday. Especially htis whole, human side of him thing, and being raised on Earth, only to want to destroy it, because Faora, and Zod say so.

For the love of God man.....I adore Doomsday in the comics, I love his backstory as I think it's one of the most unique and innovative backstories I've ever heard of. I agree with you that this character is not Doomsday, but in SV's version, HE WILL BECOME Doomsday. So far, he shares the primary character trait of comics Doomsday which is the abiility to adapt and basically become immune to the last thing that was able to kill him. This episode displayed that perfectly. I'm not using what I'm saying as fact, this is personally just my opinion. I may not AGREE with this particular interpretation of the character's background, but I do think it's intriguing, different, and fits in line with Smallville's medium.

Look at Batman Begins....Ra's Al Ghul's backstory was considerably different from the one in the comics...especially the whole Ducard thing. But the movie version conveyed enough character traits in-line with his comic book counterpart that earned him the right to be called Ra's Al Ghul. Yes, there were some references to the comic book character.."Is Ra's Al Ghul immortal...or are his methods supernatural..." "We burned London to the ground.." these were quick shout-outs to the mystic mythology surrounding his character, but seeing as Nolan wanted to interpret the movie as realistically as possible, I'm just going to ASSUME that there IS nothing mystical about Ra's other than his cheap parlor tricks.

Now, Davis Bloome may not look like Doomsday from the comics, and may not have his backstory, but he's already showing traits coherent with the Doomsday from the comics. Especially the trait I find the most important....evolution. No, I can't call this character Doomsday.....but I can assume that with everything happening around him, his dramatic transformation, I can definitely see him becoming the monster that kills Superman in Smallville's version. In fact, I think this would make the battle between Superman and Doomsday even more compelling seeing as Superman might have to face the fact of killing this monster who was once a man who devoted his life helping people. In many ways they've made Davis Bloome the exact opposite of Clark Kent and I, much to my surprise, enjoy that parallel. Once again, this is all just my opinion, and I'm not disrespecting yours, I just don't agree with some parts of it. Just my 2 cents.

[REebee52]

I was quite pleased with this version of Doomsday. I was furious when I first heard they were trying to bring him on, as a bartender no less, and a human. I thought he was going to have no backstories similar to the one he has, and I'm pleased that this was not the case. He's still a biological experiment from Krypton, genetically altered to evolve past death. Awesome, that's what I wanted. I am a little displeased he was created by Zod, and by the fact that he wasn't put on earth thousands of years ago. I prefer the version of Doomsday that ravages the galaxies and is sent here as a last resort. But considering what I feared, I'm pleased with the direction taken.

[KaraClarkfan]

No, by stabbing him she did actually want to kill him. Doomsday always returns stronger after dying. Which is demonstrated by the ending.

is like what faora said, 'what kills you makes you stronger' she was right

[Nuberman]

Gotta admit, when I found out Doomsday was going to be part of this season I was skeptical. My skepticism has turned in to complete disappointment. What we are seeing isn't even remotely close to the real DD. At least the others carried with them a similar backstory. Basically they stuck to the death/rezz back impervious aspect. That is it.

This has been the best season in 3 years, but this aspect of S8 leaves me extremely cold.

[BIGBLUE1]

i loved it doomsday has is own fel unlike before. he wa sent her by zod to destroy as we found out from last night episoe.. thats what he was meant to sdo in the comics......
no that he has a different back story shouldn't be that big of a deal because realistically he's never really had one true story ... now i was skeptical for a doomsday but honeslty i think there doing a great job i jsut want it to be over and ravage killing everywere... just bring him out already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bizarro345]

To people who are mad about the Doomsday differences from the comics look at it this way, NONE of the villains from the show that appear in the comics are exactly like their counterparts. They are modernized and made to fit into the show. For example:

Brainiac: An artificial intelligence FROM KRYPTON(taken from Superman TAS) not Colu. He creates copies of a human self(Milton Fine) to use as his drones. That is NOTHING like the comics at all but he is still a great villain and reinterpretation on the show.

Bizarro: He's the not the moronic backwards speaking abomination that he is in the comics. He is an escaped prisoner from the Phantom Zone who needed a Kryptonian body to copy and be. So he took Clark's to replicate and then he was a doppleganger of Clark but with backwards weaknesses and without any human morality. He is not like he is in the comics but like Brainiac was reinterpeted in a unique and interesting way. Who wants to see the same version of a character all the time? It would be boring!

Maxima: Not supposed to have met Clark before he was Superman but who cares? She still was a good and entertaining villain!

Point is that Smallville changes things yes but that doesn't make them not the true characters. They are Brainiac, Bizarro, and Maxima of the SMALLVILLE world. Same goes for Doomsday. They made him new and interesting.

[ClarkyBoy14]

^Nice post. Mxy was also waaaay different, but I feel he fit into the SV world well.

[LightningFlash]

For the past seven years, Lex Luthor has been the OPPOSITE of Clark Kent...now, in season eight, the main villain, Davis Bloome/Doomsday, will become the OPPOSITE of the persona of Kal-El, which makes season eight that much more involved with SUPERMAN and not just Clark and his human emotions and angst(which really has been the center of it all since season four). I knew DD had to arrive with Kal-El's ship, and there isn't really any plotholes there just because we first saw his space ship in the midst of the ground, where the Kents had to yank out, so the DD "matter" could have escaped then, and burrowed itself in the ground until it formed into a human in which he went from foster home to foster home.

Even though I do miss Lex, Davis Bloome will, in my mind, become a great villain this season and I'm hyped for DD's backstory and how he'll come into fruition in the next two episodes.

So, yes, I can officially say I am now excited for season eight.

Just one tid-bit though...it was disappointing to not knowing if SV's version of Zod was KILLED seeing as how there were two conversations about Zod in season seven and they sounded like Clark DESTROYED the Zod phantom wraith and it would've been nice to know a clear answer about it.

[Kevin24]

I am glad I'm not an avid comic book reader otherwise I would probably have a problem with the interpretation of Doomsday on Smallville. I'd be too loyal and blinded by my appreciation for the original comics that anything less then that would be unacceptable.

I am the same way with books and other series I have seen that are made into movies and if doesn't follow the proper storyline....it takes away from the movie so much that I tend to dislike the new interpretation of the story greatly. I become very biased .

This is why I am glad I'm not an avid comic book reader otherwise I would be missing out!

[SinoSupermanfromSD]

I like this version of Doomsday. He fits the Smallville version of things quite well.

Now, I'm wondering... remember the message in the ship in "Rosetta":
On this third planet from this star Sol, you'll be a god among men. They are a flawed race. Rule them with strength, my son. That is where your greatness lies.

For me, this message and what it really meant hasn't been resolved adequately yet... do you think that it was actually from Zod to Doomsday, since apparently the general attached his "son" to the ship? He could've also corrupt the ship's "heart" as well.

[LightningFlash]

Zod attached the "matter" to the ship, yes, but the key that showed the message belonged to Kal-El and was from Jor-El. If that message was meant for DD from Zod, then wouldn't that be a very big plot hole?

[SinoSupermanfromSD]

So how have they resolved that message being from Jor-El? I've been watching loyally and avidly since Season 1 and it still doesn't make sense, especially since they've softened Jor-El, in my opinion, and shown that his desire for Kal-El is for him to be the protector of the earth.

Anywho, my apologies for this digression... I go back on record to say I like this Doomsday, minus the "Chloe-Davis" stuff (although I think this may be due to a programmed attraction that Doomsday may have for Brainiac)... pretty clever in tying him with Zod. Can't wait for his bones to start protruding from his skin and all.

[LightningFlash]

Well there has always been questions about Jor-El being "softened" up, but the message is from Jor-El seeing as how he was still the "mean" Jor-El during season three and part of season four.

[Shoemucker]

So In the event of each time that Doomsday dies, he'll come back twice as strong, (almost as if he were to level up in an RPG game) until all odds of him dying are 1 in 1,000,000? (If it was possible to thrust Doodmsday into a steel box and then pitch him into an active volcano, would he come back even stronger?)

"Quoting myself on that though there" I told my friend about this episode and this comment in particular and he suggested the Death Star idea. Basically: "gather from ever sci-fi universe every WMD (AKA: Death Stars and the like) and every army (Daleks, Necromongers, Jedi, etc.), have God, Q or some other superbeing of infinite power place him in a box of solid Adamantium or something like it and have said forces aim themselves at that box."

But then I must ask; would he be able to come back from a microscopic organism? Yes/no? And would probably be very pissed off about it.

[j-kent]

I think it's a cool and really different take on Doomsday and his origin.

[REebee52]

I like this version of Doomsday. He fits the Smallville version of things quite well.

Now, I'm wondering... remember the message in the ship in "Rosetta":
On this third planet from this star Sol, you'll be a god among men. They are a flawed race. Rule them with strength, my son. That is where your greatness lies.

For me, this message and what it really meant hasn't been resolved adequately yet... do you think that it was actually from Zod to Doomsday, since apparently the general attached his "son" to the ship? He could've also corrupt the ship's "heart" as well.

Jor El has seemed to soften up, but this message could easily have been misread, or been lost in translation. "Rule" could mean protect, "strength" doesn't have to mean "force." It could just mean 'strength' as a virtue, as in 'strength and honor.' And it was always part of Jor El's message that human's were flawed:
"They can be a great people, Kal El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you. My only son."

[Malicieux Toutou]

I think Jor-El orginally intended for Clark to be some sort of benevolent dictator, but has since come to accept that this is not Clark's leadership style... so to speak.

[BloodyBaroness]

Like a few others have said, they are not all that far off with the orgin story of Doomsday - minor changes

Comic
When you kill Doomsday he comes back to life immune to what ever last killed him
Smallville
Same Thing

Comic
Doomsday was not born, but created in vitro in a lab
Smallville
Same Thing

Comic
Dooms day was created by Doctor Bertron
Smallville
Instead of going through all the trouble of introducing yet another backstory character we'll hear about once and then never again the chose for it to be the creation of Zod and his wife

Comic
Doomsday did all his training through dieing on planet Krypton long before it was inhabited
Smallville
He appears to have started his "training" just now it's on earth

All in all, not that many changes, I still hate the fact that it's Doomsday against a young superman as it means Clark will have to die...but at least they are keeping his origins close to home base.

[Kalista]

We know Davis is already experiencing the blackouts and killing people. So what really was the significance of Faora stabbing him? I know that means he comes back immune to that particular means of death but did she officially release Doomsday?

[BloodyBaroness]

Well, it would really depend on where they were going with it, if they stuck along the roots of the comics like the seems to be trying to do. It took thousands of deaths for Doomsday to reach the level he was when he first fought Superman. He was immune to countless of ways of death and driven so mad with the pain of remembering all the previous ways he died that he lost all desire for regards to life and the living.
For me, I personally think that he doesn't have to be "released" he was at "birth" he just has to have a desire to want to grow and build on what he now knows he is. Power corrupts so they say and we'll have to see how long it takes for the thirst of power to corrupt him.

[Sv.LoisLane]

We know Davis is already experiencing the blackouts and killing people. So what really was the significance of Faora stabbing him? I know that means he comes back immune to that particular means of death but did she officially release Doomsday?

No, I think that by stabbing him she showed him what he really is/can do. David knew about the blackouts, but what happened during that time was still a mistery. If Faora hadn't stabbed him, he would have probably realized it in another way. He could have got killed at work/on street/any other dangerous situation and come back to life. :confused:

[BloodyBaroness]

..just to add to what I said.
We'll have to keep in mind that right now Davis has a choice on where to go with this, a luxury comic Doomsday didn't have as he was tossed onto a killer planet to die over and over again and driven mad.
He's going to end up being very weak in the will-power department for him to turn into his killer comicbook persona.
However, where he does have the luxury to choose they could drag out him fighting with that for seasons to come and not even allow him to fall to it till the 9th 10th what ever'th seasion.
We also have a chance for a good Doomsday, as he's already someone who helps the weak and has a link to life, being Chole who could prevent him from being corrupted. Have him act as a super hero until he gets reckless and killed so many times that then he's driven mad by pain...
...lots of ways to go with him here. I really hope they don't corrupt him to early. Nothing I HATE more then a weak willed character.

[kah bell]

Honestly, it's not that bad. The comic book never really gave us a chance to get to really KNOW Doomsday, because he was always kind of a crazed lunatic to me. But the Smallville version gives us a chance to get to know the guy a bit, gives him a bit more of an emiotnall connection to his origin. We all know what he'll become, that everytime he dies he comes back stronger. But nothing like seeing it - and the reactions - in live action.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm guessing that Zod's DNA (and possibly Faora's as well) was included in this scientific creation, which would explain why Davis looks like "his father," and also why he has this human side. Right?

[Aldo]

I am glad I'm not an avid comic book reader otherwise I would probably have a problem with the interpretation of Doomsday on Smallville. I'd be too loyal and blinded by my appreciation for the original comics that anything less then that would be unacceptable.

I am the same way with books and other series I have seen that are made into movies and if doesn't follow the proper storyline....it takes away from the movie so much that I tend to dislike the new interpretation of the story greatly. I become very biased .

This is why I am glad I'm not an avid comic book reader otherwise I would be missing out!

Not quite, I am a avid comic book reader, and that doesn't stop me from enjoying the show. Some people just likes to be negative. :p
Comic Books are one thing, movies are one thing, and so are TV shows, and I Love those three sides of Superman but as it is, I don't go comparing one to another.

[HalJordan4184]

Honestly, it's not that bad. The comic book never really gave us a chance to get to really KNOW Doomsday, because he was always kind of a crazed lunatic to me. But the Smallville version gives us a chance to get to know the guy a bit, gives him a bit more of an emiotnall connection to his origin. We all know what he'll become, that everytime he dies he comes back stronger. But nothing like seeing it - and the reactions - in live action.


Really, the whole point of Doomsday, as a character, is to be so emotionally UNINVESTED in him. He already can't become the Doomsday of the comics, simply because he's got an emotional, and human journey to undertake. Doomsday is meant to be the souless, personification of evil. This version of Doomsday, will always have that little bit of humanity, no matter how much bad he does.

Plue, we got to know Doomsday quite well in the comics. He's got a pretty well fleshed out backstory, and his motivations and beliefs are quite clearly shown, and stated.

[Chulance]

I agree with you haljordan4184 doomsday has no emotions and they have ruined his backstory.He was created before humaniod kryptonions even took over krypton and he was killed multiple time's gaining invunrerability to most forms of harm before coming to earth.After he slaugtered green lanterns he was killed sent to earth escaped battleled the JL and killed superman ect.