Did Clark like zipping Lois' zipper?

[DontCha]

Now I know people are saying that Clark was not romantically attracted in the slightest to Lois when she asked him to zip her up:

Three important things to note before I raise points to counter this argument:

1. At the end of Committed clark realised something significant about Lois Lane when she left him in the elevator.

2. Before this little realization he was touching her body with complete ease and was also geting close to her in suggestive clothing with complete ease.

3. Now after this little realization, suddenly he finds it hard to do so. So WHAT happened to cause this change??

My answer: He's realized he has romantic feelings for Lois and so it becomes hard to get close to her without getting nervous. Which is very natural when you have NEWLY discovered romantic feelings for someone.

So how can he not be attracted to Lois when zipping her up if:

1. Two seconds AFTER zipping her up he becomes jealous that she's going out with another man?

my answer? Because he IS now romantically attracted to her.

2. He's very aware of her physically and comments on her wearing so little, not in an agressive way, not in a mean way, but in a pleading way. He was clearly NOT looking out for her because that excuse came so stuttery and weakly that it was obvious he was hiding the REAL reason why he said it..

My answer, In reality he's jealous, finds Lois sexy and doesnt want the other man to find her attractive because he wants her for himself. He doesnt want her to know this of course, so we get a stutter, him searching for an excuse and finally a weak excuse that he's "just looking out for her...thats all.."

[SteveS]

lois has pressed herself upon sexually on more than one occasion and he heard her 'luv' confession while not falling for her lying cover-up.

What ClarkMan might have felt was a twinge of arousal, lust, which has nothing in common with romance. Nor is he in the least jealous about who she goes out because he is in no way attached to her. He has to get over Lana and that is not done, and 'looking out for her" is what lois is constantly dependent upon, as she was knocked out and recquired 2 savings of her life in the last episode. She is not capable of taking care of herself and surviving.

[DontCha]

SteveS even though the official description of Identity said he was jealous of this man? you still believe he was not jealous? Also the writers and producers have told us that he's already getting over Lana and moving forward BEFORE she even comes back into his life. Lois didnt have to go and have a roper discussion woth Olliver before she started gaining feelings for clark...She's in love with clark and hasnt even had a proper conversation with Olliver since he came back. So its equally as easy for clark to gain similar feelings BEFORE lana comes back...I dont see how its not.

He didnt buy her first excuse in the elevator but IMO there is no denyng he bought the second lie about the thing being taken off of her finger, his look of shock said it all.

Also. If he hasnt realized he has feelings for her, please do tell me what he actually realized at the end of Committed when lois made him think about being asked the same question.

his face after having a little think about this question, accompanied with a rising and suggestive orchestral score:
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2227/version1po7.gif


his face does not read:

"No I dont love you"

"Im just physically attracted to you, thats all"

"I dont know what i'd say"

It reads a clear cut certainty.

[SteveS]

SteveS even though the official description of Identity said he was jealous? he was not jealous? . Also spoilers have told us that BEFORE lana comes back he's already getting over her and moving forward

he didnt buy her first excuse but IMO there is no denyng he bought the second lie about the thing being taken off of her finger, his look of shock said it all

Also. if he hasnt realized he has feelings for her please tell me what did he realize at the end of Committed when lois basically asked him "what would you say if someone asked you if you loved me?"

his face after having a little think about this question accompanied with a rising and suggestive orchestral score:
[IMG]http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2729/version2rl5.gif[/IMG


"No I dont love you"

"Im just physically attracted to you"

"I dont know"

It reads a clear cut certainty.




Last things first: "what would you say if someone asked you if you loved me?"
'No' would be his answer, if you are talking about luv, or he might say that he loves her the same way and amount that he loves Jimmy Olsen, which means as a human being, a part of humanity.

TPTB are trying to push this little thing along as best they can, but really, lois' behaviour of previous years has not made her lovable to ClarkMan. He was stunned and surprised at her admission of her love for him, well justified on both sides since he has shown goodness and indulgence to her since she first barged her way into his home and he has saved her life over and over and over again. (apparently that is to be 50% of his lifetime calling) So, it would make sense that she love him. Not the same for her.

I don't really read or worship spoilers since I read the one a few years ago where lois was going to just pull a rocket launcher out of an armory and fire it up....it never happened. So, I don't know who write spoilers, but I see no obligation on my part as a viewer to accept something other than what I seen portrayed believably on screen.


does read: "No in this lifetime."

[Sweetie]

My answer is he is attracted physiquelly to her since the beginning,didn't want to admit it,even Lana saw it and he was trying to deny it,don't think she beleived him.She told him all the best one start like that.But,he is realising that he's not only attracted but,he also has true fellings for her now.Committed is a good example...The look on his face when Lois asks him what is answer would have been say it all.

When he was zipped her up,he was totally checking out so much that he got embarrassed there for a moment.He was so jalous when she told him that she was going on a date,he became over-protective,wanted to know who the guy was and told her that she wasn't dress right?Since when he cares about the way she dresses?He wanted her to wear it for him only,of course red is his color ;)

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Last time I had to zip somebody up, my first thought was "I hope this doesn't get stuck. She'll just blame it on me".

Clark may have had the same thought.

[DontCha]

Last things first: "what would you say if someone asked you if you loved me?"
'No' would be his answer, if you are talking about luv, or he might say that he loves her the same way and amount that he loves Jimmy Olsen, which means as a human being, a part of humanity.



does read: "No in this lifetime."

theres a diffeence between being in love and loving someone. He's not saying "yes im in love with her" he's saying "yes I love her"..all with his eyes and of course, the music solidifies this

For me studying film for 4 years I've come to recognize the uses of cinematics particularly mise en scene which tell the audience what the character is feeling during a moment where no dialogue is present.

The particular mise en scene used the moment clark's head snaps back to look at Lois is a rising emotional, orchestral score. Rising, emotional, orchestral scores tend to indicate the character has realized something major. We have this technique used here and so it indicates clark kent has realized something major when it comes to Lois Lane and its NOT a negative thing. If it was something negative, the musical score would have been quite different, or not even present....Secondly we have the doors closing on his unchanging face, marking the moment where things will never, ever be the same for him again when it comes to Lois lane...and they're not..We've seen clark jealous and protective before..but in Identity its quite different..and even his reaction to the date ending badly is different to all the other times too..he's smug about it, smirking and instead of asking if she's Ok after a beating, he rubs it in her face that it ended badly rather than comfirting her like before.


TPTB are trying to push this little thing along as best they can, but really, lois' behaviour of previous years has not made her lovable to ClarkMan. He was stunned and surprised at her admission of her love for him, well justified on both sides since he has shown goodness and indulgence to her since she first barged her way into his home and he has saved her life over and over and over again. (apparently that is to be 50% of his lifetime calling) So, it would make sense that she love him. Not the same for her.

he's stunned and surprised because Lois has never given him any past indication that he could have her. Ever. She has until this point been totally unatainable to him. He's previously not been one to entertain thoughts of a relationship with her if he feels there is absolutely no chance. She's made him feel this way constantly and we've also seen dissapointment when she does...until THAT very moment where she said "yes" about loving him. Afterward we have him positively beaming, and chasing Lois. The very proud alpha male, he feels he's won Lois and loves the idea..I cant see how one can possibly think otherwise when we see clear embarrassment and unhappyness on his face when he believes Lois doesnt actually love him

Secondly, he offered for her to stay when they first met she didnt barge his way into his life, and if she had'nt "accidently" met him, Mrs kent would have never found him and he would have never gone back to normal.


I don't really read or worship spoilers since I read the one a few years ago where lois was going to just pull a rocket launcher out of an armory and fire it up....it never happened. So, I don't know who write spoilers, but I see no obligation on my part as a viewer to accept something other than what I seen portrayed believably on screen.

I usually take them with a grain of salt, but its rather obvious that Lana Lang cannot be Clark's love interest this year if she is only here for 5 epsiodes out of 22, it reads one clear thing: Closure

[SteveS]

[MOD EDIT] This lois is if anything, easily attainable. All ClarkMan has to do is to lower or stoop to her level.

lois barges into his personal and private space, his shower. Not common practice amongst strangers in this country. He knows that lois and Grant go it on with no great common ground except that he was her boss. He knows that she was going to hook up with Aqua dude, did hook up temporarily with Oliver Arrow until his worldly obligations caused him to drop her. He remembers her valentine magic hoochy-coo and could have nailed her on a desk top then and there. Etc, etc, etc. lois is easily attaintable.

What he does realize is that she is enamoured of him. Heck, he saw her completely naked and wet and (having studied the scene repeatedly) felt not even a twitch for her.

lois lied and conned her way into his house and bedroom. His indulgence to her manipulation was what allowed her a free roof over her head. This was long after Mrs. Kent had pointely invited lois to leave when she started to barge her way into Clark's room when he returned home from the hospital.

I will agree that TPTB and trying to move the level of disbelief to one of acceptance of lois, but it is she that is in luv with he and not the other way around. If 'they' want acceptance of that, then writer a story or stories that show the positive chemistry of Alicia exude from this version of lois. They haven't done it yet on the years that she has been here and I don't personally think the writers/actress have the skill to make it believable on screen. If they could prove me wrong, I and many fans would accept it, but not until then.

It is ClarkMan who unattainable to this lois, hence she would try the usual sexual ploy to gain his interest. Take away her sexual organs and this lois has nothing to offer.

[HumanoidCorvin]

The companion poll to the other one.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

HECK to the YES!!!
When are these two gonna get it on. Earthquakes need to happen in smallville :p

[DontCha]

I am sorry, but get real. This lois is if anything, easily attainable. All ClarkMan has to do is to lower or stoop to her level.

Theres no need to be rude and tell me to get real as if im delusional, You're not alowed to make people feel stupid or delusional because of their opinion on this board so please dont do it to me. Thank you.

IMO She is not easily atainable to clark. Before the ending of season 7 and the start of season 8 she's kept him out of her romantic interests. Making it clear to him and herself that she doesnt want a relationship with him.

Even when she does now have clear romantic feelings for him she flat out refuses to let him see or believe that she loves him...even when he's obviously comfortable about it. And that is the age old theme of: Lois makes clark chase her. And That is exactly what happened in Committed when she lied about what she said and its exactly what is happening in Identity IMO, she's making clark jealous, she's making him chase, she implies that he's not good enough for her 3 times. All the while she is comfortable in the knowledge that she secretly loves him.


lois barges into his personal and private space, his shower. Not common practice amongst strangers in this country. He knows that lois and Grant go it on with no great common ground except that he was her boss. He knows that she was going to hook up with Aqua dude, did hook up temporarily with Oliver Arrow until his worldly obligations caused him to drop her. He remembers her valentine magic hoochy-coo and could have nailed her on a desk top then and there. Etc, etc, etc. lois is easily attaintable.

she's not easily attainable. When she's 100% herself she is not attainable to clark. She was under a love spell in Crimson. As far as clark is knows that was not really Lois saying and doing all those suggestive things. When he wasnt on red-k, he liked it when lois made herself attainable to him, until he realized something wasnt quite right with her. Once exposed to red K Red-K kal-el didnt care. He nearly did **** her in ollies appartment, but of course his love for Lana overrode mere physical attraction to Lois.


What he does realize is that she is enamoured of him. Heck, he saw her completely naked and wet and (having studied the scene repeatedly) felt not even a twitch for her.
Really? when later she says "what if i'd been naked" clark goes as giddy and as giggly as a school boy most likely remembering when he saw her naked not long before.

Clark is very gullable IMO, he thinks Lois is not interested in him at the end of committed he believed her when she said she loved him and then believed her again when said she took the sensor off her finger. His shocked face when she said it told all. However, BEFORE she said this to him he was very happy and big headed about it..because he believed Lois Loved him..until she shot him down of course.


lois lied and conned her way into his house and bedroom. His indulgence to her manipulation was what allowed her a free roof over her head. This was long after Mrs. Kent had pointely invited lois to leave when she started to barge her way into Clark's room when he returned home from the hospital.

not the first time..whilst Lois was by Chloe's grave clark asked her to move in at the kents there was no lies and conning at all. You said she barged into his home the second she walked into his life..thats not true.


I will agree that TPTB and trying to move the level of disbelief to one of acceptance of lois, but it is she that is in luv with he and not the other way around. If 'they' want acceptance of that, then writer a story or stories that show the positive chemistry of Alicia exude from this version of lois. They haven't done it yet on the years that she has been here and I don't personally think the writers/actress have the skill to make it believable on screen. If they could prove me wrong, I and many fans would accept it, but not until then. ]

It took 5 episodes after her first realisation of feelings(Apocalypse) to understand that she loves clark kent(Instinct) and then one episode for her to admit it/confirm it to the audience(Committed), then another episode for her to become comfortable with the fact that she loves him(Identity and of course the break in Prey). IMO..it will be similar for clark. Clark has only just had his realisation of feelings that is why Lois is lightyears ahead of him at the moment when it comes to loving him and being comfortable with it.


It is ClarkMan who unattainable to this lois, hence she would try the usual sexual ploy to gain his interest. Take away her sexual organs and this lois has nothing to offer.

Well IMO he's not unnatainable to Lois. Lois clearly loves him but is not letting him have any indication that she does. That goes for Committed and Identity. In committed she could see clark was happy about it in the DP and then she made sure he didnt believe it, then she told him that he shouldnt let it get to his head..clarks reaction to this line clearly suggets that it DID get to his head..

She's deliberately making him jealous in Identity and not letting him have any indication that he can have her...the AUDIENCE know that she loves him but clark, doesnt. She will not let him see it. She teases him with her back then tells him she has someone else in her life.

[Sweetie]

Totally,he was turned on so much that he had to calm himself.

[HumanoidCorvin]

Lois might have had goosebumps. 9 in short time, wow!

[All about Clark]

I never thought for a minute that Clark believed her lie about beating the lie detector. I think Clark does know she was honest when she said she loved him. But I also think that Lois sends so many mixed messages that he never feels comfortable with her. She is trying to make him jealous in Identity. And I think her whole punching him in the arm for years tell us she's liked him along time but refused to go there because of Lana.

Clark on the other hand is still getting over Lana and doesn't want anything complicated right now. He's attracted to her but trying to keep her at bay because he's not ready, meanwhile her taunting him is driving him crazy. His desire to keep her at bay wars with her messing with his head.

I felt the end of Committed was Clark admitting to himself that he may not no what his correct answer would be and that he was capable of getting her zapped. He feels something for Lois, but it's not clear what he feels when she spends so much time frustrating him. I think she's got him spinning and he'd rather just keep her at bay for now. She's definitely in his head big time.

[DontCha]

thats not how I saw it when his head snapped around like that with that shocked expression..it was like "you WERNT telling the truth? ok"

Now that Lois actually loves clark she doesnt punch him on the arm at the end of scenes, she winks at him, huge difference in behavior All those years of punching him on the arm were IMo not little hints that she likes him. She was never allowed to like him in that way until recently due to restrictions.

I personally cant see how that huge orchestral moment and intense stare after lois, was him not understanding how he would answer the question..A closing scene made up to feel major with his long stare and rising orchestra is actually something so insignificant?

I personally cant see how anyone could see it like that but each to his own, agree to disagree.

[DontCha]

Yes he was.

Things are different now when it comes to Lois. After those doors closed on him in the elevator 2 episodes earlier. It all changed.

He was jealous of her date in that exact same scene, this is confirmed in the official episode description. And so yes, he now has developing feelings for her. Because people only get jealous over someone when they have romantic feelings for them

so how could he possibly be turned off by her 2 seconds before we saw jealous clark?

[All about Clark]

I was an arm puncher and I only did that to those I liked alot.

And yes, it was more about how far she took the lie that surprised him. That she went so far to cover it up. Almost as if she wasn't ready to be there as well.

I don't consider restrictions, I only consider what the show has shown me. And she has always liked him but felt he was too farmboyish and too into Lana.

[DontCha]

I get the feeling that if by Identity he still knew Lois loved him as a fact like he did before she shot him down in the elevator then he would have still been happy and proud around Lois when he sees her again In Identity. Just like he was when he first saw her in the DP after her confession...he was beaming when he was certain lois loved him...when she shot him down? not so much...

IMO he has just realized he has feelings for her right after she's told him she doesnt have feelings for him. And he believed it. And this has made him tetchy and repellant towards her when he first meets her, he gets rude and nasty when she says she has a date, when a guy is jealous what they tend to do is insult you and the other man and thats what he does when he says "who's the unlucky guy"

He's rather mean and overtly rude to Lois throughout this entire episode and she hasnt done anything wrong, so why is he so annoyed wiht her when all she's doing is "not loving him "and going out with another man? To me its obvious..he's annoyed because he likes her and she doesnt like him as far as he knows. Its made him angry at her, Happens to me all the time..i get angry at my crush when they dont want me back.

I dont think he will be after this episode though because in his mind he has re-established some sort of alpha male ground around her now by the end of it..

[All about Clark]

You're free to believe what you will, but that doesn't change my perspective.

I think Clark is just spinning from all the mixed signals. And I think that has him more obsessed with her than "in love" with her.

[DontCha]

thats cool, each to his own :) (though im a girl lol)

I dont mean to come acoss as imposing at all, sorry if I am its all just my opinion :)

Im an avid film studies student so I just tend to express my opinion in a matter of fact way(when its niot) because thats the way I was taught to write essays and such.

[susangail]

Wow, interesting thread.

Lois has always alternately fascinated and frustrated Clark. Even when she hasn't transmitted mixed signals, she's thrown him off balance. He's never known what to make of such a combination of brashness and vulnerability. With the additional time they've spent together recently, I say he's past fascination into attraction. Is he in love with Lois? Maybe not. Maybe it's just a crush. But there's something there now.

That whole scene with Lois's dress was pretty clear to me. She was definitely messing with him when she asked him to zip her up -- I would have NEVER asked my brother to zip me up like that, much less my cousin's good friend or, heaven forbid, my co-worker. The camera angle from Clark's perspective (with exposed bra and extremely low back) strongly suggested titillation on Clark's part.

[geminis]

In my opinion, Clark has always shown little signs of physical attraction to Lois, the first big glaring flashing neon letters started though when Lois came came downstairs all dressed up for the prom. And seeing her in the 'aye aye sailor' bikini, not knowing where to stash the money, and seeing her naked out of the shower. He was certainly surreptitiously checking her out while hoisting her off of the barstool at Chloe and Jimmy's engagement party and was pretty bemused by her 'about an hour' long striptease in his kitchen after. I think he hesitates to touch her because he doesn't trust himself. He has to pause and take a breath to steel himself for contact. Not all of the time, no. Clark is able to concentrate and focus on the work at hand but these are all moments when he is caught off guard and is confronted by his attraction.

I'm sure there are more, but those are moments that stand out in my memory.

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Wow, interesting thread.

Lois has always alternately fascinated and frustrated Clark. Even when she hasn't transmitted mixed signals, she's thrown him off balance. He's never known what to make of such a combination of brashness and vulnerability. With the additional time they've spent together recently, I say he's past fascination into attraction. Is he in love with Lois? Maybe not. Maybe it's just a crush. But there's something there now.

That whole scene with Lois's dress was pretty clear to me. She was definitely messing with him when she asked him to zip her up -- I would have NEVER asked my brother to zip me up like that, much less my cousin's good friend or, heaven forbid, my co-worker. The camera angle from Clark's perspective (with exposed bra and extremely low back) strongly suggested titillation on Clark's part.

Oh yeah, she was definitely messing with him. First, teasing him with her back and then leaning in front of him. Back and forth indeed!

[DontCha]

Wow, interesting thread.

Lois has always alternately fascinated and frustrated Clark. Even when she hasn't transmitted mixed signals, she's thrown him off balance. He's never known what to make of such a combination of brashness and vulnerability. With the additional time they've spent together recently, I say he's past fascination into attraction. Is he in love with Lois? Maybe not. Maybe it's just a crush. But there's something there now.

thank you, and i totally agree with you.;) Lois is like this to clark in the comics and sh's like it to him in Smallville: She's fascinating and infuriating. Being unnattainable magnifies it for clark a great deal IMO.

And i agree it may not actually be love, but there was most certainly some sort of realization on clark's part about Lois at the end of Committed IMO. I think theres always been a physicall attraction on his end towadrs Lois but never anything deeper than that, until now. He has been jealous before around Lois but never like he was in Identity. This was significantly different.



That whole scene with Lois's dress was pretty clear to me. She was definitely messing with him when she asked him to zip her up -- I would have NEVER asked my brother to zip me up like that, much less my cousin's good friend or, heaven forbid, my co-worker. The camera angle from Clark's perspective (with exposed bra and extremely low back) strongly suggested titillation on Clark's part.

yes she is messing with him, Its almost like the iconic chase dont you think? She's making him chase her and he is responding..aka the jealousy and such. He thinks she doesnt like him that way and so he's becoming infuriated by it.

[Kalista]

I am sorry, but get real. This lois is if anything, easily attainable. All ClarkMan has to do is to lower or stoop to her level.

lois barges into his personal and private space, his shower. Not common practice amongst strangers in this country. He knows that lois and Grant go it on with no great common ground except that he was her boss. He knows that she was going to hook up with Aqua dude, did hook up temporarily with Oliver Arrow until his worldly obligations caused him to drop her. He remembers her valentine magic hoochy-coo and could have nailed her on a desk top then and there. Etc, etc, etc. lois is easily attaintable.

What he does realize is that she is enamoured of him. Heck, he saw her completely naked and wet and (having studied the scene repeatedly) felt not even a twitch for her.

lois lied and conned her way into his house and bedroom. His indulgence to her manipulation was what allowed her a free roof over her head. This was long after Mrs. Kent had pointely invited lois to leave when she started to barge her way into Clark's room when he returned home from the hospital.

I will agree that TPTB and trying to move the level of disbelief to one of acceptance of lois, but it is she that is in luv with he and not the other way around. If 'they' want acceptance of that, then writer a story or stories that show the positive chemistry of Alicia exude from this version of lois. They haven't done it yet on the years that she has been here and I don't personally think the writers/actress have the skill to make it believable on screen. If they could prove me wrong, I and many fans would accept it, but not until then.

It is ClarkMan who unattainable to this lois, hence she would try the usual sexual ploy to gain his interest. Take away her sexual organs and this lois has nothing to offer.

QFT:cool:

[Imzadia]

I never thought for a minute that Clark believed her lie about beating the lie detector. I think Clark does know she was honest when she said she loved him. But I also think that Lois sends so many mixed messages that he never feels comfortable with her. She is trying to make him jealous in Identity. And I think her whole punching him in the arm for years tell us she's liked him along time but refused to go there because of Lana.

Clark on the other hand is still getting over Lana and doesn't want anything complicated right now. He's attracted to her but trying to keep her at bay because he's not ready, meanwhile her taunting him is driving him crazy. His desire to keep her at bay wars with her messing with his head.

I felt the end of Committed was Clark admitting to himself that he may not no what his correct answer would be and that he was capable of getting her zapped. He feels something for Lois, but it's not clear what he feels when she spends so much time frustrating him. I think she's got him spinning and he'd rather just keep her at bay for now. She's definitely in his head big time.

:cool: Oooh, Theresa, you've put together a Really thoughtout, and Reasonable, IMO, analysis about that scene. :rolleyes: I admit, I wasn't sure what to conclude, and no one else has been saying anything that I could grasp that 'felt' right. So, I appreciate your input here. :p

[Kalista]

Clark doesn't want to touch her and he keeps her at almost a full arm's length. She made him feel uncomfortable and not in a good way.

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[Firebunny]

Here's what was going through Clark's head in that scene.

"Zippers? Zippers! I can't do zippers. This is why I have velcro on my fly."

[DontCha]

Kalsita...his look before he walked up to her was a look of attraction I mean come on..his mouth DROPPED. his hesitation is because he's trying to keep himself poised.

his look in the second picture is him concentrating hard on clipping the dress together...trying hard to get the job done rather than letting his mind go astray.

then we have him gulping hard when he has to put his hand on Lois' lower back.

[Kalista]

his look in the second picture is him concentrating on clipping the dress together...trying hard to get the job done rather than thinking of other things..


Yes, like being turned off at the thought of having any contact with her flesh and carefully zipping her up so that he wouldn't.

[DontCha]

nope, trying hard not to touch her flesh because it will turn him on greatly.

Before he realized he has deeper feelings for her in Committed he had his hads all over her body with total ease. But now he knows that he has feelings he finds it hard

..how else do you explain the way he could touch her lower body so easily in Committed and get so close to her in nothing but his jersey, but now one epsiode after that moment in the elevator he cant do a simple zip up without trying hard to contain himself.

Its easy to post 2 caps from that entire scene and manipulate it to fit your opinion that he finds her "disgusting"..but IMO when you watch the whole scene along with his jealousy 2 seconds afterwards its quite obvious thats not the case. People dont get jealous of someone having a date unless they find that person attractive.

[Kevin24]

Clark liked it and he is just a nervous guy when it comes to girls. He isn't smooth at all and that is why he looks so awkard zipping Lois up.

[Kalista]

nope, trying hard not to touch her flesh because it will turn him on greatly.

Before he realized he has deeper feelings for her in Committed he had his hads all over her body with total ease. But now he knows that he has feelings he finds it hard

..how else do you explain the way he could touch her lower body so easily in Committed and get so close to her in nothing but his jersey, but now one epsiode after that moment in the elevator he cant do a simple zip up without trying hard to contain himself.

I haven't committed Committed to memory, so tell me when he had his hands all over her.

And when was he close to her during the jersey scene? I'm going to have to suffer and rewatch certain scenes.

[Imzadia]

I never thought for a minute that Clark believed her lie about beating the lie detector. I think Clark does know she was honest when she said she loved him. But I also think that Lois sends so many mixed messages that he never feels comfortable with her. She is trying to make him jealous in Identity. And I think her whole punching him in the arm for years tell us she's liked him along time but refused to go there because of Lana.

Clark on the other hand is still getting over Lana and doesn't want anything complicated right now. He's attracted to her but trying to keep her at bay because he's not ready, meanwhile her taunting him is driving him crazy. His desire to keep her at bay wars with her messing with his head.

I felt the end of Committed was Clark admitting to himself that he may not no what his correct answer would be and that he was capable of getting her zapped. He feels something for Lois, but it's not clear what he feels when she spends so much time frustrating him. I think she's got him spinning and he'd rather just keep her at bay for now. She's definitely in his head big time.

:cool: Oooh, Theresa, you've put together a Really thoughtout, and Reasonable, IMO, analysis about that scene. :rolleyes: I admit, I wasn't sure what to conclude, and no one else has been saying anything that I could grasp that 'felt' right. So, I appreciate your input here. :p
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;) I also Agree and like what you had to say, too, 'susangail'.

[Kalista]

Its easy to post 2 caps from that entire scene and manipulate it to fit your opinion that he finds her "disgusting"..but when you watch the whole scene along with his jealousy 2 seconds afterwards its quite obvious thats not the case, IMO anyway. People dont get jealous of someone having a date unless they find that person attractive.

Actually, I didn't want to save all those caps to my photobucket account. I'm not trying to manipulate anything because the caps are easily accessible. I'm not saying that he finds her disgusting, but I don't think he is interested. If he wanted her, he certainly could have her and she is making that clear with her over the top antics. I disagree that he was jealous, he took note of how skimpy her outfit was for a first date.

Clark's reaction in that scene reminded me of his reaction to Kara in the string bikini in Fierce.

Credit goes to www.keakack.com BTW.

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

Last time I had to zip somebody up, my first thought was "I hope this doesn't get stuck. She'll just blame it on me".

Clark may have had the same thought.

We will have none of that logical talk in a shipper thread thankyou. :p

[eas]

You're free to believe what you will, but that doesn't change my perspective.

I think Clark is just spinning from all the mixed signals. And I think that has him more obsessed with her than "in love" with her.

I agree with you - to an extent. I definitely think he's confusion mode and his head is spinning.

I don't think she's sending out mixed signals, though. She's being pretty clear about the fact that she likes him... did she lie and cover up that she's in love with him? Of course she did... but that was just her pride and the fact that she didn't want to go too far, too fast. But, in "Identity", I think she was pretty upfront with him about liking him and the way she touched his chest and said that some men ask women out if they like them? Classic move where she's flirting and saying, "Ask me out already!!"

I just think that Clark has so much on his mind and is so scared of committment that he's just not ready to go there, yet, and definitely not with a girl that he's been friends with for years.

[DontCha]

when he took her off the stool, his hands travelled around her lower back and tummy without any nervousness or hesitation

When she was in nothing but his jersey and high heels, he stepped very close to her without any nervousness or hesitation..

As i said earlier, its easy to take two caps from a much longer scene for example him nervously stepping forward and concentrating hard on not touching her bare skin and use them to show that he's "disgusted by her body" but when you watch the entire scene of the zipping its IMO not the case at all, mainly because he gets jealous of another mans love interest in Lois only moments after he's zipped her up. People dont get jealous over someone when they dont find that person attractive. So its more likely he did find Lois attractive whilst zipping her, he just didnt want to be..which IMO was rather clear when he was hesitating and trying to keep himself cool not touching her skin etc etc. He was the same with alicia..he hesitated in a similar way when having to touch her does that mean he thought she was disgusting?

And just to confirm that the official description of the episode says clark indeed gets jealous when he hears lois has a date with Sebastian. Which means he finds her attractive and most probably has feelings for her.

[27CDruid]

To answer the thread title, Clarks feelings could be summed up in order as:
1. Shock
2. Attraction
3. Frustration
4. Jealousy

[eas]

I haven't committed Committed to memory, so tell me when he had his hands all over her.

And when was he close to her during the jersey scene? I'm going to have to suffer and rewatch certain scenes.

Wow, you're braver than me. Something tells me that I'll only be able to sit through "Abyss" once.

I wouldn't say that he was close to her in the jersey scene. They seemed pretty far apart, to me. I mean, they talked face to face, at one point, but they always do that.

But, during the rest of the episode, he really didn't have a problem touching her. He puts his arms around her to carry her off the chair... when they're investigating the various vendors, he's constantly pulling her from place to place. We talked about it a lot, in the Clois thread, for that episode. He pulls her away when they she's yelling about the quills and nibs and he yanks her out of the way before she can get pancaked by a taxi. They're touchy-feely, of course, at the jewelery store... they walk in holding hands.

I think, though, the most intimate scene out of all of them was the elevator scene. I thought the UST was the most smoldering during that scene.

As far as the zipper scene is concerned: I honestly think it's subjective. I'm not gonna lie... if that was Lana or Chloe's back and bra, I'd be convinced that Clark had no feelings of desire at all. I think a bit of shipper bias comes into how we perceive Clark's facial expressions.

Having said that, though, show canon tells us that Clark is physically attracted to Lois. He told us (the viewers) straight up that he wants to kiss her in "Crimson". (And I think that was the polite way of saying, "I want to sleep with her" but he couldn't say that to his mom, for obvious reasons.) It stands to reason that a guy who wants to sleep with a certain woman is going to have some... well... attraction when he sees her bare back and bra staring straight at him. It would be odd if he DIDN'T feel attraction.

[Kalista]

when he took her off the stool, his hands travelled around her lower back and tummy without any nervousness or hesitation

When she was in nothing but his jersey and high heels, he stepped very close to her without any nervousness or hesitation..

As i said earlier, its easy to take two caps from a much longer scene for example him nervously stepping forward and concentrating hard on not touching her bare skin and use them to show that he's "disgusted by her body" but when you watch the entire scene of the zipping its IMO not the case at all, mainly because he gets jealous of another mans love interest in Lois only moments after he's zipped her up. People dont get jealous over someone when they dont find that person attractive. So its more likely he did find Lois attractive whilst zipping her, he just didnt want to be..which IMO was rather clear when he was hesitating and trying to keep himself cool not touching her skin etc etc. He was the same with alicia..he hesitated in a similar way when having to touch her does that mean he thought she was disgusting?

And just to confirm that the official description of the episode says clark indeed gets jealous when he hears lois has a date with Sebastian. Which means he finds her attractive and most probably has feelings for her.

Clark is uncomfortable because she keeps behaving inappropriately around him and that coupled with her confession in Commited makes him feel that way because he doesn't reciprocate those feelings.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

We will have none of that logical talk in a shipper thread thankyou. :p

Sorry. :o

[eas]

when he took her off the stool, his hands travelled around her lower back and tummy without any nervousness or hesitation

When she was in nothing but his jersey and high heels, he stepped very close to her without any nervousness or hesitation..

And I think it's also interesting that the dress Lois was wearing for her "date" wasn't all that different from the dress she wore at the engagement party. He had no problem with that dress, though, and felt the need to protest when she was wearing it for a date. I thought that was pretty telling and that he wasn't uncomfortable about what she was wearing -- it was WHY she wearing it and WHO would see it.

Also, yeah, I noticed that Clark was very manly and mature during the jersey scene... it was one of the things that stood out for me & I thought that it was a great contrast to the Clark of old who had a hernia and anxiety attack whenever he saw bare body parts on his lady friends. It was nice to see him be so confident and mature in that scene.

[dalbajr]

I haven't committed Committed to memory, so tell me when he had his hands all over her.

And when was he close to her during the jersey scene? I'm going to have to suffer and rewatch certain scenes.

I have seen Committed about 10x and I think what was referred to as far as touching her
was when he was being a little physical pulling her and saving her from the oncoming taxi. As well as when he put his arm around her and took her off the barstool at the Engagement Party.:)

[eas]

....his look before he walked up to her was a look of attraction I mean come on..his mouth DROPPED. his hesitation is because he's trying to keep himself poised.

his look in the second picture is him concentrating hard on clipping the dress together...trying hard to get the job done rather than letting his mind go astray.

then we have him gulping hard when he has to put his hand on Lois' lower back.

He also kind of readjusts his tie when she walking away... I thought that was a nice reference back to "Exposed" and it also reminded me of "Commencement" when he adjusted his tie and asked for her approval.

[Kalista]

I have seen Committed about 10x and I think what was referred to as far as touching her
was when he was being a little physical pulling her and saving her from the oncoming taxi. As well as when he put his arm around her and took her off the barstool at the Engagement Party.:)

Okay, but I don't see how he can be described as having his hands all over her when he took her down from the stool. He grabbed her where he need to take her down safely.

[DontCha]

Actually, I didn't want to save all those caps to my photobucket account. I'm not trying to manipulate anything because the caps are easily accessible. I'm not saying that he finds her disgusting, but I don't think he is interested. If he wanted her, he certainly could have her and she is making that clear with her over the top antics. I disagree that he was jealous, he took note of how skimpy her outfit was for a first date.


Lois isnt making it clear that he can have her since when is saying I have a date with someone else signalling that he can have her?

She's actually making it so he cant have her and its making him fire up quite obviously in that scene.

The offical description of the episode confirms that he was jealous of Lois having a date with someone else. So he was jealous. And in movies/Tvshows its almost so popular that its a cliche: When a guy who likes a girl sees her going on a date with someone else you tend to get him commenting on her wearing so little or you get him trying to make her cover up with the most unnattractive clothes ever lol. because he does not want this other man to have her.

[Kevin24]

Clark is a shy guy. I mean when have we ever seen him acting like a smooth operator around girls? He is just clumsy around them.

Lois is obviously more experienced then him and she knows how to play it but he is clueless and was trying to play it cool like her bareback and black bra didn't phase him.

I don't know if Clark has deep strong feelings for Lois yet but he definitely has feelings for her and is attracted.

[Kalista]

And just to confirm that the official description of the episode says clark indeed gets jealous when he hears lois has a date with Sebastian. Which means he finds her attractive and most probably has feelings for her.

He is a guy, so I'm not surprised if he notices her physical attributes that are routinely on display. But a twinge of knee jerk physical attraction ain't love.

[Kevin24]

He is a guy, so I'm not surprised if he notices her physical attributes that are routinely on display. But a twinge of knee jerk physical attraction ain't love.

It could be the start of love though.

[Kalista]

Lois isnt making it clear that he can have her since when is saying I have a date with someone else signalling that he can have her?

She's actually making it so he cant have her and its making him fire up quite obviously in that scene.

The offical description of the episode confirms that he was jealous of Lois having a date with someone else. So he was jealous. And in movies/Tvshows its almost so popular that its a cliche: When a guy who likes a girl sees her going on a date with someone else you tend to get him commenting on her wearing so little or you get him trying to make her cover up with the most unnattractive clothes ever lol. because he does not want this other man to have her.


In Instinct she hinted that she would like to move into the farmhouse. She then flirted with him with the phallic symbol in her mouth. Then she told him to look beyond Lana and in a rather obvious manner, suggested he consider her.

In Identity, Clark didn't notice what she was wearing and was on his way out the door until she forced him to notice what she was wearing and exposed her bra strap to him. After that, she puts her hand on his chest and made the comment about guys asking attractive girls out. While she is preparing for this date, she is sending clear signals to Clark which makes it obvious that this date really isn't that special.

So, yes, she is making it quite obvious that she is interested and available for the taking.

----- Added 34 Seconds later -----


It could be the start of love though.

Anything is possible.

[DontCha]

but you just said he wasnt interested or physically attracted..but you do agree that he was jealous. if he wasnt physically attracted to her/deeper feelings for her he would not be getting jealous. So which is it?

Also, Instinct made it clear that he does have deeper feelings and feelings of deep attraction to her but he just doesnt realize it yet.. so why is it so unbelievable that he's started to realize them one episode later? I mean there was nothing more obvious to me than that clear cut look of realizarion one episode later that he has realized there is something much, much deeper when it comes to Lois. It was only a matter of time after Maxima said this, that he would realize and IMO the writers chose to do it whilst her little statement was still clear in the audience's minds..

It may not be love it may just be feelings but guys tend not to get territorial with other men when they dont see the woman in the equation as a potential mate.

Clark obviously does.

----- Added 14 Minutes later -----


In Instinct she hinted that she would like to move into the farmhouse. She then flirted with him with the phallic symbol in her mouth. Then she told him to look beyond Lana and in a rather obvious manner, suggested he consider her.

but you're now ignoring the fact that she refused to move in with him at the end of the episode. In that episode, whilst she was being suggestive at the start, after she actually understands that she loves him she point black refuses to let him know this or cotton on. She was being playful at the start of that episode but now that someone other than herself has noticed she loves him its become a reality to her, and she refuses him.


In Identity, Clark didn't notice what she was wearing and was on his way out the door until she forced him to notice what she was wearing and exposed her bra strap to him. After that, she puts her hand on his chest and made the comment about guys asking attractive girls out. While she is preparing for this date, she is sending clear signals to Clark which makes it obvious that this date really isn't that special.

I agree he didnt "notice her"..in fact he's trying his hardest not to look at her for very long before she makes him. Then he's forced to face what he's avoiding. The way he's behaving around her here is a tremendous and striking contrast to how easily close and personal he was getting to her in committed before that little moment in the elevator where he had the dawning realization of feelings for Lois. A look that was so suddenly painted plainly across his face as she walked away. Accompanied by dramatic music...


and this is why i find it so hard to believe it when people ignore that moment as the doors closed and how people believe it to be insignificant to the plot, when everything about that moment suggests just how significant it truly was..after Lois makes him answer the question the camera zooms in the music rises and just as his face changes from uncertanty to certainty the music hits a climax, and its not sisnister music, its not confused misic, its not uncertain music, its revelation music, the doors then close on his unchanging face. Whatever he has just learned has struck him so damn hard he cant even move or blink or step away as these doors nearly shut on his nose.


So, yes, she is making it quite obvious that she is interested and available for the taking.

She's not. At the end of committed he was very happy when he was certain that Lois Lane loved him. He was absolutely certain of it and obviously couldnt wait to see her again, he was hunting her down at the DP, whilst she was being avoidant. He believed she loved him and liked it but she refused to allow it. She even says to him that he shouldnt let it go to his big head..he says "I didnt" in a defensive way but his eyes say the opposite.

In identity she teases him with her naked back but then almost instantly tells him "you cant have me" by flaunting another man in his face.

Its IMO the early roots of the classic theme, Clark chases Lois.

When clark is uncertain about how Lois feels he is repellant which is what he's like in Identity when he first sees her Again striking contrast to how he behaved when he believed without a doubt that Lois Lane loved him.

[Kalista]

but you just said he wasnt interested or physically attracted..but you do agree that he was jealous. if he wasnt physically attracted to her/deeper feelings for her he would not be getting jealous. So which is it?

Allow me to clarify. It is normal for a guy to some kind of reaction to a half dressed woman but that doesn't mean that they are falling in love with that woman. It is a normal biological response.

I still say that Clark isn't interested in pursuing her. There is nothing stopping him from doing just that because neither of them are in a relationship.

Do you seriously think physical attraction equates to love? I'm sure thousands of heart broken men and women would argue differently.

As I stated previously, he wasn't jealous but he didn't understand why she was dressed like that for a
first date.


Its IMO the early roots of the classic theme, Clark chases Lois.

She is the one pining and chasing after him. And she obviously didn't shut the door on any potential hook up because she told him it wasn't a real date at the end.

Let's just agree to disagree.

[alejandrita439]

of course he did :):):)

[abbaspice1]

No duh!

Of course!

What straight, red blooded male wouldn't be turned on to zip up Lois dress. IF they weren't, I would start questioning what side of the fence they played on. LOL

[DontCha]

IMO she's not chasing after him..she's secretly pining I agree with you but she is not letting him know about it clear cut examples include:

In Instinct clark is begging for love and for his soulmate to come into his life just begging for her to come into his life..wondering where she is.. Lois is standing right there and whats more she has the knowledge that she and clark share a bond of deep attraction and love. He asks what maxima said to her..Now If she really was open to letting him have her. She could have easily made it a reality by telling the truth but instead she doesnt say a single word about it...she walks away.

In committed it took him nearly dying for her to actually admit to his face that she loves him. That is the level of extremes it takes for Lois to admit it to him. ..and once he believes she loves him and gets excited, she wont allow it, she convinces him that it was a lie.

In Identity she's teasing him with her back then saying no you cant have me, he finds out it wasnt a date you're right but she still gives no indication that she loves him

she sort of lets lets it slip that she loves him when she rings him for help and again when she says she was protecting him, but she's crafty she doesnt tell him this in a warm way that she was protecting him she says it ina cold way. Clark by the end of this IMO believes he's re-established some sort of ground as alpha male around her. In the past when Lois' dates have ended badly, he's jumped to comfort her or help her out ..this time however he's smirking at the fact her date ended very badly and is not trying to comfort her about it at all. He's smug about it because he feels he he has personally gained from it ending badly. Its also the first thing he says to her rather than "are you OK?" lol He's alpha male again in his mind..

LOl i was about to say the same thing about agreeing to disagree..I dont mean to be imposing with my opinion i just love a good debate as im a film studies student I fully respect your opinion and do see it as a posiblilty I ont think my opinon is fact or i wouldnt be feeling the need to prove it :) i just love a good debate is al :)

[Pantalaimon]

Anyone remember Exposed?
Lois sitting on his lap and him being all uncomfortable. Pretty much the same thing.

There's more than one way of reading this kind of awkwardness, as the discussion above more than proves. I guess, I've always thought the awkwardness and bickering between them signifies attraction that they don't want to admit having towards each other. Lois because of her apparent disdain for farm boys. Clark because of Lana.

Now that they're slowly realizing they actually have feelings for each other the awkwardness is only becoming more pronounced, simply because they had always assumed they could never have those feelings, which means they don't know themselves as well as they'd like to think and all that jazz...

It's all very confusing, but that's the point isn't it. Makes it all the more tantalizing for us, unless you are just annoyed by Lois, but there is not much can be done about that.

[ginnyfan]

I think he may have enjoyed it more if she wasn't all dressed up to go on a date with some other guy. :p

Heeheehee.

[geminis]

I'm just amazed that he didn't burn the place down, especially since Lois confronted him with the follow up tease. He's learned control but with Lois he still needs a minute to remind himself "Man of Steel".

[ginnyfan]

Lois [whispers]: Behave yourself.

<3

[DestinyAw8s]

Lois [whispers]: Behave yourself.

<3
And Clark, showing no signs of leaving, assumes a territorial stance as he awaits the interloper. *sigh*

[Khyla]

I'm sure he was thinking about unzipping his, instead of zipping hers! :lol: ;)

[DestinyAw8s]

I'm sure he was thinking about unzipping his, instead of zipping hers! :lol: ;)
hehe He is a male.

[costas22]

To be honest Clark did seem jealous once the whole "date with Sebastian" conversation started.That concept did seem to bug him.Beforehand(and when the zipper scene took place) he didn't seem interested in Lois but i don't think it was because he didn't want to.I think we are forgetting Clark's frame of mind at this point.He went to the Talon at a paranoid state of mind in order to get rid of the photo.If you remember he was pretty scared to the point that the sight of Lois in that dress couldn't relax him at all.That's why i believe he wasn't very much into the zipper scene.But when he heard about a possible love interest for Lois maybe his priorities changed.He forgot about the exposure of his secret and felt threatened by the prospect of Lois dating another man.

[Kalista]

He forgot about the exposure of his secret and felt threatened by the prospect of Lois dating another man.

Clark doesn't need to feel threatened because she continues to throw herself at him. There is nothing to stop Clark from giving in to her advances.

[baltazor]

Well it will be a major leap for Clark to realize that he is interested (for good) for someone other than Lana. He is clearly attracted to Lois but it has to take some time for him to come to terms with this new romantic reality of his. It has always taken Clark more time than usual to come to terms with things...

[abbaspice1]

Clark doesn't need to feel threatened because she continues to throw herself at him. There is nothing to stop Clark from giving in to her advances.

Just because someone feels that they can 'have' someone does not exclude them from being jealous.

Husbands and wives get jealous all of the time.

[SteveS]

Just because someone feels that they can 'have' someone does not exclude them from being jealous.

Husbands and wives get jealous all of the time.


Poor analogy. The marriage vows in this country, unless home-made up, specifically preclude sexual relationships outside of the marriage contract and relationship. I am happy to say that ClarkMan has only done his marriage vows with Alicia, never this lois.

To be jealous of someone, there needs to exist either a relationship of a romantic sort or the individual needs to have some form of psychological obsession with another. ClarkMan has no obsession over lois (she frequently is not even mentioned or a blip on his radar screen of life), nor is he in any form of romance with lois. She merely flashed her backside at him as her ploy to make him uncomfortable, which she succeeded at.

ClarkMan is sensitive to unwise choices that the foolish make around him, knowing that 'fools rush in where wise men fear to tread', this applies most aptly to lois. :)

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

ClarkMan has no obsession over lois (she frequently is not even mentioned or a blip on his radar screen of life), nor is he in any form of romance with lois.

Im sorry but ill have to disagree. Not a blip on his radar. Thats a bit harsh on our wee Lois. He maybe doesn't show it on the outside, but i think on the inside, he mind is reeling with images of and possibilities with Lois. He puts on a brave face but every now and then he lets slip wee gestures or smirks that reek with, 'oh Lois your mighty fine'

That was the best i could do:lol:

[Sweetie]

I guess everyone looked at that scene with their own perspective.At first the only thing that he wanted to do is get out of there without Lois to suspect a thing.That's why he pulled back when she asked him to zip her up...He approched her very slowly,stayed away as much as he could(he wanted to have a better control over himself).Then,he looked at her back cleavage for at least 3 minutes.Then get a hold of himself,zipped her up.I clearely saw jalousy on ClarK's part or you are calling Tom a bad actor?The way he asked her why are you all dress up for,who's the guy and must you wear so little?If these are not quotes of a jalous guy( who's still in deny),I don't know what is?Look,on the next scene at the farm,he was taking away all red & blue closes,he still had frustration all written on his face.Of course when Jimmy arrived,he had another thing to worry about.

[Bizarrolover]

Of course he liked it! That doesn't mean he wasn't feeling uncomfortable about doing it. Clark isn't the most mundane man on Earth in what women is concerned, he only dated two women in his life (Alicia and Lana) so I don't think he was ever in that position before. And in what Lois respects, he doesn't even know where to start. He's jealous that she's seeing another guy but he can't understand why it bothers him so much. He's confused, because he wants to think of her as a friend but he can't deny the attraction he feels for her anymore. He comes from a very painful break up, his is just starting to get used to his new life and at this point, he's not ready (or doesn't want) to think of Lois as anything else but his annoying workmate/friend.

[christian_kryptonian]

Getcah some Clark!

[theotherJane]

Clark doesn't need to feel threatened because she continues to throw herself at him. There is nothing to stop Clark from giving in to her advances.

What do you mean continues to throw herself at him? She has a crush on him and only in this episode wanted to get his attention.

[costas22]

Also,i don't think Clark suspects she likes him.Maxima only told Lois about their mutual attraction and at the end of Committed he was convinced Lois tricked the lie detector.I may be a little bit naive but based on the events of Instinct and Committed he couldn't have had a clue that Lois was into him.So even though she asked him to fix her zipper he might not have suspected she was throwing herself at him.Some guys have a low self esteem at these things and don't suspect when they attract a woman.

[Wicked Lois]

Clark is so... weird. He was acting like he never had seen Lois naked in his life. Why he would be scraied by a lace bra?

I think he was trying to fool himself with those funny faces.

Silly Clark

[jimmyolsenblues]

I love she asked him to zip it up...she likes him and she wants him to like her.

[Kalista]

Hm, that sounds like pining.

[Wicked Lois]

She might have learned it from Chloe. =]

[Kalista]

She might have learned it from Chloe. =]

No doubt and she picked up on another thing or two as well.

[DontCha]

she's pining after him but she's not throwing herself at him.

it seems that people who have a clear dislike of Lois and of Erica want to make her seem like some sort of desperate whore..theres also the confusion raised about what Lois is doing when the audience is seeing what clark is NOT seeing..We see how much lois deeply loves clark when he's not looking. When he is, its nothing more than teasing..and teasing means dangling herself infront of but not letting him have.

I'm sorry but Lois Lane in season 8 has never, ever willingly shown to clark's face that she loves him and wants to be with him.. she refuses point blank to let clark know this. It takes him nearly being killed for her to actually admit that she loves him to his face..THAT is the level of extremes Lois needs to be in before she will even admit to clark's face that she loves him. And when he believes it and is happy about it there is no way in hell she's gong to let him run with it. She managed to convince him that she was telling a lie.

Erica Durance describes it best:

Lois loves clark, doesnt want to love him and doesnt want him to know about it. She then goes on to say its the same for clark and that they both discover they have feelings at different times to one another.

yes she teases him about sex and her naked back..but thats all it is..teasing him but not letting him have her.

[Wicked Lois]

She doesnt want to be vunarable, specially in front of him. She is playing right... its much better to have someone pinning for you, I am sure Clark is starting to be the big brother to turn into her big man.


Ok... I am done with this. I wanna a clark in my life

[disciples of zod]

oh yeah, i knew he liked it. and lois did too!

~K

[DontCha]

Its clearly alpha male jealousy coming out in the apartment..when the other man comes in, clark is making his presence known to this outside male shooting him daggers. He's being territorial over Lois..and its not in a brotherly way. In the description of the episode it says he gets jealous NOT protective...

[individuall]

How is that pining? Sorry, I don't see it at all...Lois was obviously trying to ruffle Clark's feathers (and succeeded) of course she threw it in his face she was going on a date with another guy..(Though it wasn't really a date...That was a cover)...
But when has Lois ever passed up a chance to watch Clark squirm? Never. She knew exactly what she was doing and she was getting a kick out his slight jealousy and flustered attitude...You could tell after she removes her hand from his chest and he smooths his shirt all nervous like and says 'I know what a date is' she's smiling as she walks to the mirror...She loves that she's in a sense 'pulling one over' on Clark...And his protective/jealous (as slight as it may have been to some) was just the icing on the cake...And if you wanna qualify that as pining/throwing herself at him?....OOOOKKKK then...You have fun with that...
But then again...YMMV...
(I'm using the general 'you'...Not directed at anyone in particular :))

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

^^^^

Couldn't agree with you more. As if you took the words right out of my mouth:)

[HumanoidCorvin]

Lois is one sexy woman.

[Ellsbury]

<o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img src=" images="" smilies="" redface.gif="" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" smilieid="3" class="inlineimg"></o:smarttagtype> As DontCha mentioned, the description says <st1>Clark</st1> is getting jealous. So, that’s it! End of the story!

[BadToad]

I think Clark was his usual awkward around girl-parts self in that scene. Its not the first time we've seen him getting mildly freaked when confronted with a sexy female. I find it a very endearing part of his character, actually.

Personally, I don't think he's quite figured out how he feels about Lois. I don't believe he's ready to commit to anything at the moment. I'm hoping that the show does pick a direction for Clark's feelings, and illuminates it a bit more clearly. I'd like for it to be a lot less ambigious, and a clear direction established. As a Clark fan, I can handle just about any direction, but I think the ambivalent signals are a major drag.

[All about Clark]

Personally, I don't think he's quite figured out how he feels about Lois. I don't believe he's ready to commit to anything at the moment. I'm hoping that the show does pick a direction for Clark's feelings, and illuminates it a bit more clearly.

This is exactly how I feel. He can have feelings about her but not realize it's the makings of love. And he did get jealous. I think she's intentionally bringing these things out in him to get him where she is without showing any vulnerability.

And Don'tCha was right about one thing, Clark is treating her differently. Before he'd be all "are you OK" and now he's like "I heard your date ended with a thud", that's just more jealousy and more of a "I like you and don't want to admit it" kind of thing.

It's interesting to see them both in denial. She doesn't want to come off as vulnerable or pining and he's attracted to her but knows the difficulty in starting something with her. Last thing he wants is more "secrets and lies". It strikes me that things will get more intense until one of them is ready to crack.

[abbaspice1]

And for all of you who have hinted that Lois is a slut or a whore...

How many people did Lois actually have sex with on the show?

She isn't a slut or whore. It seems people's imaginations are running away with them. Perhaps they wish she was one, so that they would have a chance?

[DGirlLois4Clark]

:lol: So true abbaspice1

[DontCha]

Im pretty sure if clark went and smooched the pants off of Lois..people would still be denying his feelings for her and would say he slipped and fell onto her lips.

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This is exactly how I feel. He can have feelings about her but not realize it's the makings of love. And he did get jealous. I think she's intentionally bringing these things out in him to get him where she is without showing any vulnerability.

And Don'tCha was right about one thing, Clark is treating her differently. Before he'd be all "are you OK" and now he's like "I heard your date ended with a thud", that's just more jealousy and more of a "I like you and don't want to admit it" kind of thing.

It's interesting to see them both in denial. She doesn't want to come off as vulnerable or pining and he's attracted to her but knows the difficulty in starting something with her. Last thing he wants is more "secrets and lies". It strikes me that things will get more intense until one of them is ready to crack.

he was smirking when he said her date ended with a thud, it was jealousy but he's happy because he's personally gained from it. Also, the news of his feelings for her are very, very recent so I can undertsand him being confused about it rather than thinking "Ok I want this woman"

but that doesnt mean he didnt actually realize he had feelings for her at the end of committed. He's just now confused about them.

[LoveHurts38]

He sure did it slow.

[abbaspice1]

Poor analogy. The marriage vows in this country, unless home-made up, specifically preclude sexual relationships outside of the marriage contract and relationship. I am happy to say that ClarkMan has only done his marriage vows with Alicia, never this lois.

First of all, just because one takes vows doe not mean that the spouse will not get jealous. And no where in my post did I say that Lois and Clark were married. I was responding to a statement that basically said that Clark didn't feel jealous because he could have her anytime he wanted. And I used the example of a married couple-- they are committed to each other, took the ultimate vows, and yet, sometimes jealousy does rear its head. Just because you have someone doesn't mean you can't get jealous. You obviously missed my point.


To be jealous of someone, there needs to exist either a relationship of a romantic sort or the individual needs to have some form of psychological obsession with another. ClarkMan has no obsession over lois (she frequently is not even mentioned or a blip on his radar screen of life), nor is he in any form of romance with lois. She merely flashed her backside at him as her ploy to make him uncomfortable, which she succeeded at.

Got that from wiki? Just asknig because it sounded a lot like their definition:
Jealousy typically refers to the negative or angry thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of insecurity, fear, and anxiety that occur when a person believes a valued relationship is being threatened by a rival, or when another person is perceived to have some type of advantage. Jealousy often contains a mixture of emotions such as anger, sadness, disgust, which are focused by passion or anger. While jealousy and envy are similar, they differ in that jealousy concerns something one has and is afraid of losing, while envy concerns something one does not have and either he wants to acquire, or prevent another person from getting.

Maybe Clark wasn't showing healousy, but maybe envy? Or maybe on a subconscious level, he does think of Lois' as his? Either one works for me :lol:

[Wicked Lois]

She might have learned it from Chloe. =]

So I was being sarcastic... ¬¬




Has anyone ever quoted yoursef?

[geminis]

No matter what people say, I am completely convinced that both Lois and Clark really enjoy messing with each other. Lois is more comfortable with the physical, Clark is not. He's the guy who has to think about not crushing anyone's bones when he shakes their hands. Lois has also had a more healthy adult relationship with Oliver and Clark has had a constant yo-yo on the Lana rollercoaster.

When Clark has touched Lois before, she has been fully clothed and the clothes were staying on. He's seen her naked and it was pretty obvious that he was stunned and liked what he saw. He has seen her flirtatious side; again, cute and attractive. I'm going to have to rewatch Aqua to better comment on his viewpoint seeing her in the bikini, but I'm pretty sure he was certainly jealous that AC got to her first. Then, seeing her in the 'Aye aye sailor' bikini. That was a whoa, danger Clark Kent, too much tempting flesh on display. She's sitting on his lap and she wants him to put his hands where? Putting the corsage on for his prom, again, another risky business for wandering hands. I seem to remember Lois commenting on his placement "too close to the boob..." With Identity, he holds her away from himself because I don't think he trusts himself to get that close when her dress could suddenly slip right off. He has to concentrate to hook the dress and zip it, and not let his hands touch that beckoning bare flesh. He can handle himself around her and he can handle her more easily when she's clothed and needing rescuing, but seeing her and having to put hands on her with little to no clothing and the possibility that those clothes could come off? Suddenly the Man of Steel needs to go on the defense and keep her at bay because she is one of his major weaknesses.

[WickedJenn]

Please keep this civil and clean in here.

[zorasuperman]

lol this thread always makes me smile

[amberdawn]

I never answered this. My opinion: He was VERY attracted to her in that dress, and zipping her up made him nervous.

[OneShotClois]

The real question is what guy wouldn't like zipping her dress up? ;)

[lrog127]

Let's just face it, they totally dig eachother!:D

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He sure did it slow.
:rotfl:

[oqllcksmallville]

LOLL , WickedJenn ;
I love your display picture <3
.. and clearly clark felt both attracted and nervous by Lois .
honestly though , Clark has been like sexual attracted to Lois since ; Hydro .
but yeah ; Loved that Scene . <3

[SpiritedDiva]

Scenario: unzipped sexy dress on sexy woman within viscinity of hetro male.
Of course he was physically attracted to her. He may even have secretly got a pervy
kick from it.:lol: But, judging from body language and expressions I thought he looked uncomfortable and not on a good way. I saw nothing in that scene that would suggest anything beyond physical attraction.

Honestly, I think he would have reacted the same way with any sexy woman. For me to deny his physical attraction would be like denying his attraction to Lana, Chloe, and Alicia.
Boy, Clark has an inner womanizer in him doesn't he?:lol:

[oqllcksmallville]

.. LOLL , but i think Clark does like Lois .
&& i do think he liked it ,
but i agree ; was uncomfortable .
- but truly ,
he even got jelous & that say's something . = P

[Khyla]

To be honest, I didn't see much difference between his reaction to Lois and the way he handled himself around "Rachel Davenport" in ACTION. :) (the scene where she asked him to hand her her robe comes to mind :))

Nor can I say I saw a jealousy vibe there. It was more like a disapproving or concerned vibe, same as when he told her "don't you think you ought to pace yourself" about her heavy drinking at Chloe's engagement party, and like when he told Oliver, "with all that poison in your system, you sure that adding more is a good idea?"

[oqllcksmallville]

^ well ,
as it was pointed out before ,
they even mentioned that he was jelous ;
in the OFFICIAL episode description .
& he defeintly showed glimpses .

[Kevin24]

Scenario: unzipped sexy dress on sexy woman within viscinity of hetro male.
Of course he was physically attracted to her. He may even have secretly got a pervy
kick from it.:lol: But, judging from body language and expressions I thought he looked uncomfortable and not on a good way. I saw nothing in that scene that would suggest anything beyond physical attraction.

Honestly, I think he would have reacted the same way with any sexy woman. For me to deny his physical attraction would be like denying his attraction to Lana, Chloe, and Alicia.
Boy, Clark has an inner womanizer in him doesn't he?:lol:

In "Exile" the bartender said that Clark had a different woman on his arm every night that he went to the club. He definitely has an inner womanizer but that side is only unleashed when he is on Red K.

[oqllcksmallville]

^ i know .
it seems like Kal-El loves to switch it up on the woman bit !
= P LOLLL .
only when he has a girl and it causes him to become Red-Kryptonite induced ( crimson ) ,
does he not galavant off to get all the girls .

[Hippolyta]

I think the issue of what Clark was feeling is quite complicated. From what I've gathered over the past few episodes I reckon that Clark has just realised that he's attracted to Lois and is extremely uncomfortable about the fact. They've both been comfortable in this strange supportive/flirtacious relationship for years now. Lois realised a few episodes ago how she felt about Clark, but its taking him a bit longer to figure out what his feelings mean. I think subconsciously he did enjoy it but consciously he was embarrassed by how he was reacting and he didn't really know what to do with himself.

What struck me was that when he's been jealous of Lois's boyfriends/love interests before he was very direct and aggressive about it (e.g. in Aqua, Arrow). Just after he's zipped her dress up and he's questioning her about her date, he is obviously jealous, but in a quiet, almost hesitant way. I interpreted this as him for the first time being aware that he is jealous and being quite embarrassed about it. I don't think Clark is about to declare his undying love for Lois yet but I think he definitely liked zipping up her dress and it definitely confused him.

[Kevin24]

I think the issue of what Clark was feeling is quite complicated. From what I've gathered over the past few episodes I reckon that Clark has just realised that he's attracted to Lois and is extremely uncomfortable about the fact. They've both been comfortable in this strange supportive/flirtacious relationship for years now. Lois realised a few episodes how she felt about Clark, but its taking him a bit longer to figure out what his feelings mean. I think subconsciously he did enjoy it but consciously he was embarrassed by how he was reacting and he didn't really know what to do with himself.

What struck me was that when he's been jealous of Lois's boyfriends/love interests before he was very direct and aggressive about it (e.g. in Aqua, Arrow). Just after he's zipped her dress up and he's questioning her about her date, he is obviously jealous, but in a quiet, almost hesitant way. I interpreted this as him for the first time being aware that he is jealous and being quite embarrassed about it. I don't think Clark is about to declare his undying love her Lois yet but I think he definitely liked zipping up her dress and it definitely confused him.

I couldn't have said it any better myself and that is one hell of a first post!

Welcome to Krpytonsite!!!!

[Hippolyta]

Thank you! I officially feel welcomed!

[WickedJenn]

I think the issue of what Clark was feeling is quite complicated. From what I've gathered over the past few episodes I reckon that Clark has just realised that he's attracted to Lois and is extremely uncomfortable about the fact. They've both been comfortable in this strange supportive/flirtacious relationship for years now. Lois realised a few episodes ago how she felt about Clark, but its taking him a bit longer to figure out what his feelings mean. I think subconsciously he did enjoy it but consciously he was embarrassed by how he was reacting and he didn't really know what to do with himself.

What struck me was that when he's been jealous of Lois's boyfriends/love interests before he was very direct and aggressive about it (e.g. in Aqua, Arrow). Just after he's zipped her dress up and he's questioning her about her date, he is obviously jealous, but in a quiet, almost hesitant way. I interpreted this as him for the first time being aware that he is jealous and being quite embarrassed about it. I don't think Clark is about to declare his undying love for Lois yet but I think he definitely liked zipping up her dress and it definitely confused him.

I couldn't have said it any better myself!

Excellent post and welcome to Kryptonsite! I look forward to many more like that one :)

[Humdinger]

Hesitant and confused, maybe by the realization that he has deeper feelings for Lois than he can admit to himself.

[Hippolyta]

Hesitant and confused, maybe by the realization that he has deeper feelings for Lois than he can admit to himself.

Yes, I agree. Maybe those feelings, or at least the seeds of those feelings have been there all the time, but he's been distracted by a lot in his life like Lana, Lex, Chloe, Brainiac etc., and Lois is the only one who he hasn't been entangled in melodrama with. After all these things are stripped away, after he's grown up a bit, found his focus, and is spending nearly all day every day with Lois, certain feelings are starting to float to the surface...

[DontCha]

What struck me was that when he's been jealous of Lois's boyfriends/love interests before he was very direct and aggressive about it (e.g. in Aqua, Arrow). Just after he's zipped her dress up and he's questioning her about her date, he is obviously jealous, but in a quiet, almost hesitant way. I interpreted this as him for the first time being aware that he is jealous and being quite embarrassed about it. I don't think Clark is about to declare his undying love for Lois yet but I think he definitely liked zipping up her dress and it definitely confused him.

Clark has never aimed insults at Lois before though when he's got jealous of her BF's. It was always a sort of mixture of being jealous and protective.

This time however he's diferent in a number of ways:

1. He's agressive towards Lois about it as well as the other man
2. He's not actually looking out for her this time, he's got his own interests at heart
3. He's not comforting to Lois when he hears her date ended badly, infact he's happy about it which he has never been before when she's not ended up with these men.
4. This time he smiles about it ending badly because he believes he has personally gained from it

all this indicates that its not a protective role he's playing over Lois its an alpha male territorial role over someone he sees as a potential mate..not his actual mate, but a potential one.

[ginnyfan]

Clark has never aimed insults at Lois before though when he's got jealous of her BF's. It was always a sort of mixture of being jealous and protective.

This time however he's diferent in a number of ways:

1. He's agressive towards Lois about it as well as the other man
2. He's not actually looking out for her this time, he's got his own interests at heart
3. He's not comforting to Lois when he hears her date ended badly, infact he's happy about it which he has never been before when she's not ended up with these men.
4. This time he smiles about it ending badly because he believes he has personally gained from it

all this indicates that its not a protective role he's playing over Lois its an alpha male territorial role over someone he sees as a potential mate..not his actual mate, but a potential one.

Yum Yum! <3

[DontCha]

and I forgot to mention, he doesnt evn say to her "are you OK from last night?"

the first thing he says is "I heard your date ended with a thud" *smirks*

Its all he cares about in this episode lmao, which is regaining some sort of ground with Lois (after she;s knocked him down several pegs since committed and during the zipper scene). I think he believes he has gained ground by the end of it because the date ended badly and because she called him to protect her, which also means alot to a male and a potential mate, in their mind it means they have won that female. Of course he's not going to let her know how he feels, he doesnt want her to know.

Anyone seen king king where she walks under his legs for protection from another male? He notices this and then he thinks he's won her...I think its similar for clark when Lois called her for protection against an offending male.

[lilkoolmaria]

I think the issue of what Clark was feeling is quite complicated. From what I've gathered over the past few episodes I reckon that Clark has just realised that he's attracted to Lois and is extremely uncomfortable about the fact. They've both been comfortable in this strange supportive/flirtacious relationship for years now. Lois realised a few episodes ago how she felt about Clark, but its taking him a bit longer to figure out what his feelings mean. I think subconsciously he did enjoy it but consciously he was embarrassed by how he was reacting and he didn't really know what to do with himself.

What struck me was that when he's been jealous of Lois's boyfriends/love interests before he was very direct and aggressive about it (e.g. in Aqua, Arrow). Just after he's zipped her dress up and he's questioning her about her date, he is obviously jealous, but in a quiet, almost hesitant way. I interpreted this as him for the first time being aware that he is jealous and being quite embarrassed about it. I don't think Clark is about to declare his undying love for Lois yet but I think he definitely liked zipping up her dress and it definitely confused him.

I completely agree! Awesome post, welcome to K-Site! :D :)

[DontCha]

I think this says it all@

http://i34.tinypic.com/8yaq9k.jpg

that was his face when he saw her naked back..turned on or WHAT..mouth agape, dopey eyes hahaha

yeah right he wasn't interested when doing it up..man was trying to contain himself thats all he was doing whilst keeping hsi distance and trying to avoid touching her bare skin, he was trying to keep calm.

[dunkman]

Clark seemed a bit embarassed, as is proper, but Lois had a big grin on her face! "You touched my hand, Chuck, you sly dog..."

[All about Clark]

Great pic, DontCha. Just hilarious.

[Clarky123]

well, i bet he was just worried to mess it up, infront of lois since he likes her and dosent want to look like a unsecure boy witch he is abit :P

[Blugolds22]

I think Clark had mixed feelings about it. I think he liked that Lois asked him to zip her up, was nervous about touching her now that he's realized he has feelings for Lois, and a little disappointed because he knows that she isn't getting dressed up to go out with him.

[singingdove]

He liiiiiked it. It clearly freaked him out to get that close to touching her bare skin (haha! Oh Clarkie...) but he was NOT by any means grossed out. More like unwillingly turned on. *loves*

[pizzahead2490]

ya i agree with your post paloma, clark was definetly turned on looking at lois sexy back!!! touching her bare skin would porberly make him light lois body up from flames from his eyes

[marcella]

I think he loved it:D

[Xanusus]

Clark enjoyed it he was trying to hide it. You can tell because he immediately got jealous of Lois' date as usual. Then he conveniently did the clear throat to garner Lois' attention once the psycho showed up.



I liked the scene mostly because of Lois though. Oh she IS sneaky. I liked the memory recall from HER perspective because she was smiling about it.

[Wicked Lois]

that was so beautiful

[rebecavaldez]

Of course he did!

[llk6165]

Clark loves everything Lois

[drvr8]

I think the moment was the actual realization that he was looking at Lois' naked back, bra strap only and realizing that the sight was quite overwhelming for him. Then he's just kinda confused by the whole contraption but he wouldn't have hesitated attacking that zipper if he hadn't felt some sort of attraction to be embarrassed about.

[Cloisfan_90]

He's a little bit awkward. but yeah..

[jpfort1957]

Clark already knows how she looks undressed, the goosebumps won't appear till he gets his chance to unzip her dress for her.

[Simba_Muffy]

Yes.