Why do some want to see Chloe be a killer?

[Jory]

I was wondering why some are hoping that it was 100% Chloe who killed Sebastian/Wilson? Is it to see the character destroyed, or what? I'm just curious to find out the reason why some so badly want Chloe to be a murderer.

As a Chloe fan, I hate that PS3 have made "Chloe" (whether she was controlled by Brainiac, or it was a combo of the two) kill someone. I think this direction hurts the character tremendously, and can't see any good (for the character of Chloe) with PS3 taking this route.

[RedKRules]

I hate this too Jory, as much as refreshing she seems to be ..... I still hate the idea ...., it is just another inexcusable way to bash the character ...

[Jory]

I hate this too Jory, as much as refreshing she seems to be ..... I still hate the idea ...., it is just another inexcusable way to bash the character ...


If I had any faith in PS3, and if there was time to redeem the storyline, then I'd feel a little better. As of right now, I hate this idea so much. I didn't mind the Brainiac thing, as long as PS3 didn't have Brainaic kill through Chloe, because that damages the character, imo.

[RedKRules]

I understand your fear ..... I really hope all this mess is resolved by Legion

[roccanater]

I like what has happened with Chloe as of late but I do not want to see her character stay this way.

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I hope it eventually gets resolved.

[AndrewVDk]

We know that Chloe didn't do anything it was Brainaic! But it was cool to
watch Allison play a crazy killer!
[MOD EDIT]

[Meteror Freak]

Because Chloe needs to realize that she has a darker side just like everyone else and stop judging people like she did with Lana and Lionel last year. Chloe had a dark side in the early seasons, but once she found out clark's secret she became the side kick and her character changed a lot. I'm glad they're bringing it back. However, just because a lot of people think it was all Chloe in the hospital, doesn't mean that they want her to be evil. Nobody badly wants Chloe to be a murderer.

[AgentChaos]

For me, it's not so much that I want to see Chloe become a killer, it's that this storyline is giving Allison something to do other than play Chloe as Clark's sidekick/Jimmy's love interest, which is what she was for much of Season 7.

[oldblackmagick]

omg there are alot of mod edits floating around out there...they always make me wanna know what they used to be:p

[redeem147]

I don't think it was any more Chloe than it was Cordelia who slept with Connor and killed Lilah. (Slipping a little Angel reference through).

[wolverine316]

I don't think anyone is hoping Chloe is a murderer or are saying take that Chloe fans. But the rose colored glasses have to come off sometime in realizing that she does have a dark side like Clark, Lana, etc. It can't be all peaches and cream.

[borednow]

I also don't see it as a question of wanting, it's simply the way some people saw the scene.

[abbaspice1]

Let's face it, Chloe, who started out as an in-depth character, had become a "Mary Sue" for the past 2-3 seasons: sidekick, moral compass, etc.

It is good to see some of her dark-side flowing. Good to see her not a 'Mary Sue'.

And from what I read, most people don't even believe that she was 100% in control. Most people think it was a combo of Brainaic influence inolved as well.

[rogueslayer1985]

i know it was brainiac and not chloe, duh!

[Cyn]

Let's face it, Chloe, who started out as an in-depth character, had become a "Mary Sue" for the past 2-3 seasons: sidekick, moral compass, etc.

It is good to see some of her dark-side flowing. Good to see her not a 'Mary Sue'.

And from what I read, most people don't even believe that she was 100% in control. Most people think it was a combo of Brainaic influence inolved as well.

It's not that I want Chloe to be a murderer, I just want Chloe to become...Something she hasn't been before? I don't know how to phrase my feelings exactly.

Honestly, I've never liked Chloe. I found her extremely annoying during the first 4 seasons except for the rare episode/situation. During the next 3 seasons, I considered her the ultimate Mary Sue. I think I almost liked her during season 5, but its been so long I can't remember why. LOL.

This season is different. I don't care for the Chimmy because I don't think Chloe is IN love with Jimmy, but I'm liking her. I think for the first time she is stepping out from under Clark's effing big shadow and looking within to see what Chloe Sullivan can do for people. I think that in past seasons, she saw herself as Clark's sidekick even in her own fantasies and thats kind of self demeaning. This doesn't mean that she is not willing to help Clark, but that isn't all that she is there for. Anyway...

Crap! I still don't know how to word it, but good, bad or ugly, I like Chloe this season. The End.

[pizzahead2490]

i personally love bad chloe, i never liked her more.

[BULLITT]

If he were dead, it would have ended that way.
'Code Blue' is cardiac arrest.

[Storm45]

Let's face it, Chloe, who started out as an in-depth character, had become a "Mary Sue" for the past 2-3 seasons: sidekick, moral compass, etc.

It is good to see some of her dark-side flowing. Good to see her not a 'Mary Sue'.

That's exactly why I'm interested in this storyline.

[REebee52]

Let's face it, Chloe, who started out as an in-depth character, had become a "Mary Sue" for the past 2-3 seasons: sidekick, moral compass, etc.

It is good to see some of her dark-side flowing. Good to see her not a 'Mary Sue'.

And from what I read, most people don't even believe that she was 100% in control. Most people think it was a combo of Brainaic influence inolved as well.

Chloe was hardly an in depth character in the first seasons. Her depth was: She pined for Clark, and was jealous of Lana. And she whined a LOT. Her character contained of three elements: loving Clark, writing for the torch, and getting furious at Clark even though he ALWAYS turned out to right and ALWAYS ending up saving her life.

I really didn't care for Chloe at all until she learned Clark's secret. In my opinion that was one of the smartest turns the show has taken, and presented us with one of the show's most fantastic moments. Chloe finally grew up after learning Clark's secret, and though she may be a sidekick, that doesn't mean she can't be an in depth sidekick.

Also, if it's Brainiac, than Chloe's not responsible. No one would have blamed her if she had killed when possessed by the witch, or by Dawn, this is no different.

[Storm45]

Chloe was hardly an in depth character in the first seasons. Her depth was: She pined for Clark, and was jealous of Lana. And she whined a LOT. Her character contained of three elements: loving Clark, writing for the torch, and getting furious at Clark even though he ALWAYS turned out to right and ALWAYS ending up saving her life.

I really didn't care for Chloe at all until she learned Clark's secret. In my opinion that was one of the smartest turns the show has taken, and presented us with one of the show's most fantastic moments. Chloe finally grew up after learning Clark's secret, and though she may be a sidekick, that doesn't mean she can't be an in depth sidekick.

Also, if it's Brainiac, than Chloe's not responsible. No one would have blamed her if she had killed when possessed by the witch, or by Dawn, this is no different.

What she has done after learning the secret? Encouraging Clark, helping Clark, advising Clark and being an overall perfect sidekick for Clark while dating, breaking up and date Jimmy again on the side. Her scenes were downright repetitive.

Chloe pre-season 4 was indeed insecure, jealous, competitive and nosy. Meaning that like a real human being she wasn't perfect. She could hit on her friends nerves from time to time. That's what added depht to her character and didn't made her a Mary Sue. That's what added some twists during episodes or drove plots (Zero, Lineage, Truth and the main storyline of season 3) .
Indeed she was writing for the Torch, held on a theory, wanted to expose the truth and wanted to be a reporter. Like most people she had her own activities and goals. She was her own person. Clark wasn't her only interest.

Its the first time in years that TPTB makes efforts for Chloe to be her own person again. Her action at the end of Identity and the reaction its causing here reminds me of early seasons Chloe when she didn't delete her file on Clark in Zero despite her promise, or her turning to Lionel at the end of season 2. Back when she was a good person who doesn't always did the right thing. An very good sidekick who could do controversial decisions.


I don't see what's the big deal with the Brainiac storyline. She was under influence. Its not the first time that such a thing happened in the series (Lana in season ) and I don't remember a character being forever destroyed because of it.

[Hopefulsuicide]

i don't want her to be evil

but i gotta say, i'm not sure that killing him makes her EVIL anyway... there is definately grey in shows like Smallville. even if it is 100% chloe (which i doubt), she did it because she knew that a lot of her friends including Clark would be in danger if the man revealed anything

[Imzadia]

I like the points you brought out, 'Cyn', and what you said, 'REebee52', about Chloe 'being under the Influence'. I felt sad that Chloe had most likely Killed someone ...for Clark. It was the Same thing she accused Lana of being capable of doing, which in her opinion -at the time- Wasn't a Good Thing. So, I prefer to believe that it's Brainiac's Influence on Chloe that pushed her to do something so 'Drastic', and that's an Understatement. Chloe 'tied up a loose end' -Brainiac style, IMO.

In her early years, she was a young teenager who fell In Love for the first time with a boy she spent a lot of time around. Clark felt deep, close friendship for her. He fell In Love for the first time with a girl who wasn't in his immediate circle of friends, which for Clark, was probably what drew him to her. Regardless, Chloe was jealous of Lana. She reacted normally for her Emotional age, or any age for that matter. It didn't make her 'dark'. She was still basically a Good person. I personally Like Goody-Two-Shoes people. IMO, there was nothing Boring about her. However, she DID become more interesting when she learned of Clark's Secret, IMO.

If her killing someone in Self-Defense was the situation, I don't believe this Board would be On Fire with this turn of events where Chloe is concerned. I understand it Must be exciting and maybe Fun even for Allison to have such a 'juicy' twist in the character she is currently portraying, but IMO, such an over-the-top PIVOT is enough for me to want to hope that it's only a Temporary Side Effect of her Brainiac Infection.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Is it so hard to believe that wonderful, perfect, can-do-no-wrong Chloe can be temped by the dark side as a result of having power?

It's happend to every other character on this show.


I was wondering why some are hoping that it was 100% Chloe who killed Sebastian/Wilson? Is it to see the character destroyed, or what? I'm just curious to find out the reason why some so badly want Chloe to be a murderer.

Some just aren't gonna ignore what's right in front of them.

She's not the first character to kill or harm while under the influence.

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Because Chloe needs to realize that she has a darker side just like everyone else and stop judging people like she did with Lana and Lionel last year.

Yeah. Maybe after her experience we can see her finally get off her high horse and stop judging people as though she were mother superior.

[SteveS]

It is a general fantasy of the fans of the dark side to try to pull down to their level whatever is superior and good.

Chloe, with full knowledge of and control over her actions, perpetrated no crime.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Chloe, with full knowledge of and control over her actions, perpetrated no crime.

The guy's dead.

[SteveS]

Chloe, with full knowledge of and control over her actions , perpetrated no crime.

Show me the death certificate.

Per Wikipedia:Code Blue

* Generally used to indicate a patient requiring immediate resuscitation, most often as the result of a cardiac arrest. May also be used as a radio call to indicate that a patient en route to the hospital requires resuscitation. "Code Blue - Adult" or " - Pediatric" are sometimes used to provide additional information about the patient. HASC have suggested these codes be replaced by "Code Blue" and "Code White", respectively.
* Adult medical emergency (in contrast to Code White for pediatric medical emergency) per Healthcare Emergency Codes (New Jersey Hospital Association).
* Adult medical emergency in Australia (for instance, VT/VF, fall is GCS of > or = 2, bradycardia, accelerated HTN).
* Tornado warning - patients moved to interior corridors, staff and visitors seek shelter immediately (William Beaumont Hospitals, Royal Oak and Troy, MI)

Note that the above does not say 'DEAD', show me the death certificate and cause of death and we can discuss this further.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I guess when you think about it, they probably don't have a name for what she did to him.

So she commited no crime that currently exists.

[abbaspice1]

I guess when you think about it, they probably don't have a name for what she did to him.

So she commited no crime that currently exists.

Attempted murder?

[oldblackmagick]

it was his power that killed him though...her power allows her to have alot of stuff in her brain but wilson used his power to look into her head...it happens everytime he touches someone so really his power killed him with her info...if that makes any sense:D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

it was his power that killed him though...her power allows her to have alot of stuff in her brain but wilson used his power to look into her head...it happens everytime he touches someone so really his power killed him with her info...if that makes any sense:D

Yeah, it does.

But she still knew what it would do to him.

[Kevin24]

it was his power that killed him though...her power allows her to have alot of stuff in her brain but wilson used his power to look into her head...it happens everytime he touches someone so really his power killed him with her info...if that makes any sense:D

That is like taking an inhaler from someone who has asthma and being able to give it to them but instead you keep it away from them until they die.

It's the guy's fault for having asthma right? Not Person A's fault for not giving him the inhaler? So Person A didn't really kill person B because it's Person B's fault for having asthma...:lol:

[mysticalweather]

I know some people want to think that the guy only Coded, so he's not dead, so Chloe didn't actually kill him.

But Chloe/Brainiac/whoever-was-in-control-at-the-time explained exactly what she/he/they were about to do: overload his brain, causing it to shut down.

Brain shutting down = death

Then the brain, having shut down, stopped telling the heart to beat. As a result, the guys' heart monitor went nuts, and they called a Code Blue to try to get it started again. But without a functioning brain, the guy is dead.

The real question is...who's really responsible? Was Chloe in control? Has the Brainiac infection unleashed a cold, calculated, logic-without-feeling part of Chloe? Or was Brainiac just testing to see how much control he had over her? Something else entirely?

Tune in next week... ;)

[kaam]

It was a nice twist and a good cliffhanger. At first I thought it was Tess (from the gloves) but when the camera zooms out, we see Chloe. I didn't want her to be the killer but it was bound to happen. She is very protective of Clark and we just saw the extreme length she went to protect him.

The thing is that Chloe has always sorta been secret about 'her' power/s. Even though Chloe knew Clark's secret, and she knew how much he would stand by her, she still wanted to go through the experience herself. This is no different. She pushed Clark away at every turn (well, sometimes the timing wasn't all that perfect for Clark to offer his help but that's beside the point). She is still going through this alone, and she hasn't told Jimmy (which I am fine with) and hasn't talked to Clark (she didn't really open up to Davis aswell).

She will be kicking herself in the next episode, as she comes to her senses. Which will make talking to Clark about her situation that much more difficult let alone Chloe telling Clark about the murder (?). This, however, may bring Chloe closer to Davis's character as he is going through similar thing, he knows there is darkness inside him that he can't control anymore. Now she would understand and it will be interesting to see how their relationship progresses. (It sort of seems like Davis's alter ego is attracted to Chloe's alter ego).

sorry, I kinda dragged on but there are so many threads with similar topics of interest :)

[abbaspice1]

it was his power that killed him though...her power allows her to have alot of stuff in her brain but wilson used his power to look into her head...it happens everytime he touches someone so really his power killed him with her info...if that makes any sense:D

Yes, but she KNEW what would happen. Remember her words. She knew that at the very least, touching him was going to do some serious damage.

The guy was in a hospital, already injured. He couldn't defend himself. The guy was a baddie, but still, Chloe showed a great deal of amoral behavior (in the best of light) or immoral behavior (in the worst light).

[Kalista]

It is a general fantasy of the fans of the dark side to try to pull down to their level whatever is superior and good.

As usual Steve, you have the ability to cut to the heart of the matter.

Jory, to answer your question, some people want to see the complete deconstruction of the character we know as Chloe Sullivan.

They want her to evil and perhaps turn on Clark thus completely destroying the Chlark bond. If that happens, then there will be a valid reason to dislike/hate Chloe and it will make other developments on the show more palatable.

[27CDruid]

It's the guy's fault for having asthma right? Not Person A's fault for not giving him the inhaler? So Person A didn't really kill person B because it's Person B's fault for having asthma...:lol:

No its more that theres a guy who tackles people to ruin there lives (far out but whatever). What Chloe did was like keeping a hidden knife under you her coat. Guy tackles Chloe and dies.

Im very happy at the way they have given Chloe some purpose this season. Smallville is bigger than chloe and if the story demands she change, then she either has to change or be written out pete style.

[Animation]

First of all, she didn't kill him. A code blue means the person has gone into arrest and needs reviving. He might not die, but only be mind-wiped. Granted, that is almost as bad. Still, it is a difference.

Also, it is possible that she didn't know that it would make him go into arrest. She probably just thought, as a superbrain with a crazy-boogey awesome mind, when he tries to read me, it will overload him. She just let his own power work against him. She might not have quite expected the result. She may have expected something lesser, not knowing she has Brainiac hiding inside.

Finally, it is sad for the character, but OK if it gives her more story. If it was because of Brainiac, and she ultimately wasnt fully in control, then it gives her character something to work through, and something that could make her stronger (albeit at the price of some tragedy).

It ain't all bad, folks. Give it time!

Lewis

[Bizarrolover]

I like that she's showing a darker side and she's not the 'googling for Clark/mother Theresa' character that they had been giving us during last season and the beginning of this one. It makes her a lot more interesting. I can't wait to see how her arch evolves.

[justme_007]

mmm just a question. nurses and doctors saw chloe leave the hospital room in the exact moment when they have to desperately call a code blue.... shouldn´t she be kind of a suspect??? am i wrong??

[Storm45]

It is a general fantasy of the fans of the dark side to try to pull down to their level whatever is superior and good.

:rolleyes:

Is this thread is to insult a percentage of SV viewers?
I may not agree that Chloe is 100% responsible but I wouldn't go this far over a difference of opinions over a TV character.
It's Chloe not Jesus or some Saint ''who, IMO, are the ones who are Superior and good.

What's funny and sad in all this is that there a time when people said they liked Chloe because she wasn't written as perfect unlike Lana. AM also said that's why her character was popular. How times have changed.

I don't remember such an uproar when Clark Kent=Superman robbed a bank and injured people while on RedK and tried to kill his own father (season 3) and an innocent girl (Red) while on RedK.

[Minela]

:rolleyes:
I don't remember such an uproar when Clark Kent=Superman robbed a bank and injured people while on RedK and tried to kill his own father (season 3) and an innocent girl (Red) while on RedK.

It's Chloe. There are special rules for her character.

[susangail]

^^^ I sense a tongue in cheek :)

Nobody's a saint on this show, and nobody's untouchable. And no, I don't "want" Chloe to be a killer. I think Brainiac's running an increasing share of her judgment.