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ram711
10-31-2008, 05:22 PM
How much of Chloe was really responsible for killing the dude from 'Identity'?

virginie
10-31-2008, 06:45 PM
it was chloe but a bit of brainiac because she would never kill someone and it was a bit of Chloe because brainiac would not mind if the world find out about Clark's secret!!!!

Karafan1
10-31-2008, 11:58 PM
I think it was 99% Chloe and 1% Braniac. That was very surprising when she killed that guy. I didn't see that coming..

FlashInSV
11-01-2008, 03:19 AM
I think Chloe is so committed to keeping Clark's secret that she'd go to any lenghts. Let me clear this up: It is possible that Chloe has pondered much over what she was willing to do to protect Clark. She is ready to die for him, but is she ready to kill for him, too? Chloe would never go as far as taking a life. Brainiac-influenced Chloe, however, is much like a Chloe without conscience. Chloe with a distorted sense of right and wrong would kill for Clark.

KansasKid
11-01-2008, 04:49 AM
From her dialog about the brain being a computer, and about crashing and "losing the data", I really do not think killing Sebastian was the intent, just wiping his memory. Besides, since she crashed him in a hospital, and the staff was there in seconds, assuming he's dead is likely not valid.

RedKRules
11-01-2008, 07:44 AM
I agree, I donīt think he actually died !!

quinny06
11-01-2008, 08:02 AM
I think it might have entered Chloe's mind at some point, she did suggest that Clark kill Lex last year. But I don't believe she would actually go through with it. I'm thinking Brainiac gave her a push that made her act on what would otherwise have been a passing thought that she would have later scolded herself for thinking about.

hanemg
11-01-2008, 08:06 AM
They called a "Code Blue", that's a cardiac event. His heart stopped because when his brain "crashed" it (like a computer) shut down all the systems it controlled. Even if the hospital team put him on a ventilator he would still be brain dead and could only survive while on the machine.

Now, whether the "Smallville" team choose to play this realistically that's up to them. This is a show about an alien with super powers after all. But unless they got his brain re-started to at least a minimal level to take over bodily functions then he is for all intents and purposes dead.

SteveS
11-01-2008, 08:52 AM
I say 5% Chloe, 95% Brainiac.

chlo-el
11-01-2008, 09:46 AM
it was chloe but a bit of brainiac because she would never kill someone and it was a bit of Chloe because brainiac would not mind if the world find out about Clark's secret!!!!

I agree. Brainiac is influencing her to use very bad means, but it's Chloe who wants to protect Clark's secret. Chloe would never kill to protect Clark's secret if it weren't for Brainiacs influence.

pink_ninja
11-01-2008, 02:24 PM
I think she's being slowly influenced by Brainiac.Chloe is just too good to be killing someone.

dimeo782002
11-01-2008, 03:20 PM
i chose option 2

i think chloe felt a little guilty about the photo jimmy took. she really thought no one would piece it to clark and when jimmy did she felt horrible i could see it on her face .

she then went after the guy to protect clark as is her instinct and loyalty but the way she spoke,
cold and calious and uncaring.... that was pure influence of a computer virus , thus
thequote the brain is like a computer therefore being brainiac is a computer he could definetly influence it.... infect it . chloe normally would not havedone this even if she wanted too.

she never went to kill lex after what he did to her mom even though she openly expressed some hate to clark about lex she never acted on it . so why would she knowingly kill sebastian yes to protect clark then she would also have to kill everyone in belle reeve from past seasons that know clarks secret as well.

this was clearly influence by brainiac.

Mary Sullivan
11-01-2008, 05:23 PM
It's obvious that Brainiac was the one to kill.

disciples of zod
11-01-2008, 06:03 PM
um....what exactly did she do?? i'm confused! =/

~H

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maybe i'll just go re-watch it...

alejandrita439
11-01-2008, 08:19 PM
i think Chloe is slowly being influenced by Brainiac. Brainiac has altered her in some way, causing the act. :(

abbaspice1
11-01-2008, 09:18 PM
Chloe is slowly, everso slowly, being infected by Brainiac.

However, at this point of the season, she is in control 95%. Therefore, she is responsible for what she did.

Khyla
11-02-2008, 04:19 PM
say "Chloe is slowly being influenced by Brainiac. Brainiac has altered her in some way, causing the act."

It seems that while the Brainiac infection is increasing her mental capacity on a purely intellect level, the rest of her mind is being compromised, that is in that area that serves as her emotional and moral compass, for the sake of logic....

borednow
11-02-2008, 05:28 PM
Brainiac may have been the alchol but Chloe was still in the drivers seat

Khyla
11-02-2008, 06:34 PM
Chloe can't be held accountable or responsible, anymore than Clark can be held accountable or responsible for the things he did while infected with Red-K or Silver-K :\

Violet-Shadow
11-02-2008, 06:39 PM
Chloe is slowly, everso slowly, being infected by Brainiac.

However, at this point of the season, she is in control 95%. Therefore, she is responsible for what she did.

ITA. Brainiac has some influence over her but not that much...not yet at least.

Volake
11-02-2008, 06:42 PM
I'm inclined to think that it was mostly Chloe in there, making the decision, as we haven't seen Brainiac impact her (to my knowledge) throughout the season. I would like to think that Chloe was less responsible for the action, but if Brainiac had surfaced clearly within her, I'd think we'd have seen some other scenes where Brainiac was at least slightly present.

borednow
11-02-2008, 09:05 PM
Chloe can't be held accountable or responsible, anymore than Clark can be held accountable or responsible for the things he did while infected with Red-K or Silver-K :\

Actually Clark can and has been held accountable for things he did under Red-K because like it or not it's still him, what he wants, what he thinks.

RedKRules
11-03-2008, 07:46 AM
Chloe can't be held accountable or responsible, anymore than Clark can be held accountable or responsible for the things he did while infected with Red-K or Silver-K :\

I agree ..... he never went to prison for bank robbering, property damage ..... along others things .... :lol::lol:

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Actually Clark can and has been held accountable for things he did under Red-K because like it or not it's still him, what he wants, what he thinks.

he was not held of any responsability .... he punished himself, by going to his loft and moping ..... and he got over it like nothing happened!

zorasuperman
11-03-2008, 10:58 AM
its a gradual progression. not immediate.
kind of like doing drugs. you don't notice that SECOND but soon enough (depending on the drug itself) you notice soon enough.

chloe in that aspect is perfect. her brain is becoming influenced by braniac. but she doesnt realize it IMMEDIATELY. then PRESTO CHANGO shes BRANIAC. and she didnt even realize what hit her

XX lol sorry im a bit hyper today too much sugar from the halloween candy.XX

SupesFan34
11-03-2008, 01:12 PM
Zorasuperman,

You are both right and wrong. There is a battle going on inside of Chloe that we can't see, that I am sure of. However, I do believe that the act that was perpetrated against the villain at the end of the episode was, in fact, all Brainiac. All Brainiac did was use the vessel he was inhabiting (Chloe) to do his deeds.

To prove my point, lets go back a few seasons to where another "otherworldly" being usurped control of another big player in the Smallville universe....

Lex Luthor suddenly was inhabited by the "being" of Zod. Zod influenced Luthor's actions, yet once Zod was gone, Luthor himself stated he did not remember much of what he had done.

Now, flash forward to the future, and Brainiac now posses Chloe, in a way. Brainiac assumes control of Chloe first by "giving" her a new ability, i.e. mass information absorption. Think of it as an attack in stages. The first was the attempt at mental control, which we can see he has to some extent.

The second stage is now evident in this episode right at the end. He takes control of Chloe, and seemingly kills a villain. I believe he takes control of her for just a moment because of Chloe's reaction as she leaves the hospital.

If you can find the episode online (and it is out there, believe me), watch the closing moments as she leaves the room and ultimately the hospital. She walks away, and then blinks. At that exact moment, it is as if her entire countenance changes. You may not see it right away, but it is there. It is very subtle, and seems to convey a deep seeded emotion: "what am I doing here?"

The indication is abundantly clear. He took over her physical being, but for a second, and then did what he needed to. Once he was done, he "left" causing Chloe to blink and wonder where she was.

RedKRules
11-03-2008, 03:30 PM
I totally agree with you Supes!!! :)

Minela
11-04-2008, 05:13 PM
It was both Chloe and Brainiac. The reason I'm saying that is because the act of killing the guy was purely for protecting Clark Kent. It's what Chloe does, has done for a while now. What possible reason would Brainiac have for killing that guy? None. Chloe however would have a very good reason.

Now, I don't believe it was all Chloe. That is obvious. She knows right from wrong and in a normal situation would have never commited murder. She is being influenced by Brainiac. He is (IMO) sort of coaxing her darkside to the surface. I'm not saying Chloe is a killer deep down inside, but I think Brainiacs's influence is messing with her moral compas.

JMO

RedKRules
11-04-2008, 07:02 PM
The truth is no one on this show is held responsible for their bad action ... even if they have a little INFLUENCE HELP or NOT .....

ginnyfan
11-04-2008, 08:47 PM
It was both Chloe and Brainiac. The reason I'm saying that is because the act of killing the guy was purely for protecting Clark Kent. It's what Chloe does, has done for a while now. What possible reason would Brainiac have for killing that guy? None. Chloe however would have a very good reason.

Now, I don't believe it was all Chloe. That is obvious. She knows right from wrong and in a normal situation would have never commited murder. She is being influenced by Brainiac. He is (IMO) sort of coaxing her darkside to the surface. I'm not saying Chloe is a killer deep down inside, but I think Brainiacs's influence is messing with her moral compas.

JMO

I agree.

borednow
11-04-2008, 10:00 PM
The truth is no one on this show is held responsible for their bad action ... even if they have a little INFLUENCE HELP or NOT .....

Okay you have a point there... :lol: