Are they intentionally sabotaging chloe's character?

[rogueslayer1985]

I have been watching the show for ever now and this season i have noticed they have stripped chloe's character of all that endeared her to the viewers and made us admire her i.e her passion for the truth and journalism and her love for clark. And now apparently she kills people too. why did allison even agree to come back i mean i thought nothing was worse then last year but they are messing up character development too much this year. Who agree's?

[lillie_poo_pod]

This has always been a concern to me. And since the beginning of this season it's been pretty obvious to me that Chloe has been SWF'd. But I'm still hanging on to the fact that a character that has been torn down as much as Chloe has that something great tends to come out of it.

And Chloe is not a killer. That was Brainiac controlling her.

[All about Clark]

You know I might have sided with this premise back when she became a meteor freak, but now it's about Braniac. Her involvement in Clark's life ( Lana too) has hurt Chloe (and Lana) and continues to hurt Chloe. Clark is learning that the people who know and love him become the victims. This storyline is about turning Clark into a being who won't tell anyone his secret except someday Lois. And it will take a long time before he tells Lois as well.

That Chloe knowing Clark's secret comes with a price. Lana suffered last year, this year it's Chloe. It makes sense that she would become a target. And hopefully Clark never asks a human to help him in the way that Chloe did, facing off against Kara who was not really Kara. Clark made a serious mistake here and he has to learn the hard way.

And no Braniac didn't do the killing.

[susangail]

Yes. No other meteor freak has lasted this long...

[davidbrenton]

I disagree. This has been the season of her maturity. She's been self possesed, strong minded and articulate without that doe-eyed, why not me, type of persona that's been her strong suit in all years prior.

I think there is more to this Braniac Plot than what meets the eye and that might prove to be the most interesting character dissection the show has done hands down.

[Eurynome]

First off, I would like to say that I like the direction the writers/producers are taking Chloe's character. She's been stagnant for too long. The Brainaic twist making things really interesting and raises the stakes. I'm worried for her, but in a good way. This is now you keep viewers interested in the show. I don't think Chloe's character is intentionally being sabotaged; I think the producers I finally listening to fans because nobody liked the healing ability and wanted Chloe to have some super-hacking ability.

[baltazor]

No they are not. But anyone who stays too long to Clark tends to have his/her share of ordeals....

[eas]

No, they are not. I think they're intentionally fixing Chloe's character.

[ms.c.]

I don't think they are sabatoging her. I think they are putting her thru a lot of ordeals. Heroes and heroines have to go thru a lot to show their worth/prove their mettle. The bigger the trials and the more they have to overcome, the more they show how special they truly are.

All of this will be overcome and fixed and Chloe will be stronger for it.

[Dom20]

NO they're making her more interesting.

[lillie_poo_pod]

All of this will be overcome and fixed and Chloe will be stronger for it.

I really hope so.

[thehenry89]

they aren't ruining chloe. and btw i wouldn't consider an unrequited crush a strong charachter atribute. considering the creepiness of clark's telescope stalking of lana i would consider it a flaw. chloe is more mature and more herself than she has ever been, and to be honest i'm in love with the new chloe.

[Meteror Freak]

Chloe fans will never be happy with what's going on with Chloe.

[Liarma]

Chloe fans will never be happy with what's going on with Chloe.

Please don't say that, please. Nooooooo!

[thehenry89]

The only person they ruined (either by design or accident) was lana.

[SnowBird]

Chloe has become a more interesting character since she found out she was meteor infected. I bet Allison is having a great time expanding her acting playing Chloe gone bad with Brainiac. Who better to infect with smarts than Chloe who is great with a computer which is what Brainiac is. I do hope when she comes back as herself. we see our Chloe as her sweet self. IMO there is no sabotage.

[Dustmite]

No, they are not. I think they're intentionally fixing Chloe's character.

Fixing? How so?

[Pantalaimon]

Why does a character have to be all nice to be interesting or admirable?

In fact, I would even go so far as to say that Chloe used to be little more than a sidekick. Now she is actually a character.

Put it another way. Clark had his red Kryptonite trips, Lana had her possession. Did these things destroy their characters?

[AndiGirl]

Chloe fans will never be happy with what's going on with Chloe.

I'm her fan...and I'm happy!! :) Blew that theory out of the water! :lol:

But really....this is very interesting to watch, and I'm loving it. I think if other Chloe fans would stop worrying about it all so much...and just enjoy the ride they will see that everything will work out in the end. I have no doubt in my mind Chloe will get her happy ending. If only for the fact that the writers arent dumb enough to completely ruin her.

That...or she will die a hero. Which, I dont love....but it will be a truly "chloe" act....so I can see that happening.

But I definitely dont see her being turned into a villian for good. It just wont happen. So I'm onboard for this new character development.

[ginnyfan]

Right on AndiGirl.

There are things I haven't been happy about over the years.

I think I would feel more sorry if Allison Mack had to come back to walk around her DP desk a few more time. What's the point of having her at the DP if she's just going to walk around her desk and find Zoners.

Here she's been thrown headlong into the central Clark/Davis plot. She may be shaping up to be a villain. I wanted Chloe in the ACTION and I'm getting my wish. I'm not saying that I like the fact that she's killed someone (brainiac or no brainiac).

But it beats sidekicking and unrequited love any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[Cyn]

I've never been a Chloe fan. I have always considered her a MarySue character and just kind of rolled my eyes whenever she was on screen. However, this season I find her interesting. The fact that Chloe is aware of her "BRAINIAC" problem and is semi dealing with it just blows me away. Whether she is good or evil doesn't matter, she if effing cool...and interesting. LOL! That is all that matters to me. Deep down, I hope that she is the real villian of this season and Tess & Doomsday are just VOTW (Villians of The Week). AM actually has the acting chops to take over as villian from MR & JG.

[costas22]

I think there will be a time when Chloe gets rid of Brainiac and will revert back to her usual self.But it is a nice change to explore her in a darker tone.In the final scene of Identity she brought something fresh to the show.Her black clother and her cold stare had something to do with that.I think regular Cgloe was getting a bit stale.

[abbaspice1]

This is the first time in YEARS that I have loved what is going on with Chloe!

N more sidekicking! No more unrequited love!

I think this new/improved Chloe is great!

[Jory]

I have been watching the show for ever now and this season i have noticed they have stripped chloe's character of all that endeared her to the viewers and made us admire her i.e her passion for the truth and journalism and her love for clark. And now apparently she kills people too. why did allison even agree to come back i mean i thought nothing was worse then last year but they are messing up character development too much this year. Who agree's?


It's pretty much TPTB's MO to destroy Chloe when they want other female characters to look good. Disappointing that they are ruining such a great character, but not surprising. Pretty much the status quo.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I don't see the big deal.

Every character at some stage has been shown to be corrupted or go over to the dark side.

[Jade4813]

I disagree about the sabotaging of Chloe's character.

To me, Chloe has been - to this point - the most interesting in the very eary stages of the show. Certainly before she learned Clark's secret. That was when time was invested into exploring her feelings, her motives, her desires. And maybe she wasn't always the best - maybe she didn't always do the right thing - but she was sympathetic and really did resonate with me. My heart broke for her when her heart broke, and though I certainly didn't like that she betrayed Clark to Lionel (I yelled at the television screen, in fact), I did feel for her motives for doing so.

That changed fairly quickly after they had hear learn Clark's secret. To me, Chloe has been "sabotaged" over the last few seasons of the show because her character stopped being about her character. It's been, to me, a matter of convenience. They needed someone to provide plot exposition. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to give the answer to the problem. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to be Clark's sounding board so the audience would know how he was feeling at any given moment. They went to Chloe.

But with all of that, it wasn't really her to me. Take Season 5. Clark coming to Chloe to talk to Chloe about his sex life with Lana. Now, granted, she did make a snarky comment about an image that she'd never get out of her mind ever again. But that was in.

Picture Chloe's reaction to that conversation in S3. Would she have taken it the way she did in S5? I bet you not.

Of course, some of that could be attributed to growth, but the problem was that there was no focus there on Chloe's feelings on what she was being told. And she would have a reaction, even if she hid it from Clark at first. In S3, the things Chloe heard and saw impacted her. They changed things for her. She reacted to them. Not just with one comment, they influenced her behavior following the confession/revelation.

Here, she made one little joke, and then it was over. Advice given. Matter dropped. Did it impact Chloe? Did it hurt her to have to give Clark advice on how to sleep with another woman? Did it make her jealous? Did it make her realize it hurt less for her to hear than it once would have? Did it impact her? Did it affect her in any way?

These things weren't shown, because the focus of Chloe's character had stopped being Chloe's character. Chloe's reaction didn't matter in that - and many other - scene, because the point of the scene - of Chloe's arc, really - was no longer about Chloe. Her growth, her character, her motives, her interests, her period. She was simply used to fill a role, not to BE a character. Clark needed to go to someone about sex issues, and they didn't want him to go to his parents. Chloe fit the bill. But Chloe wasn't the important thing in Chloe's scenes, her place in the story was - be it exposition, answer-getting, etc.

Leading into the Lexana marriage, this was also painfully clear. Lana was supposedly her best friend; Lex her greatest enemy. But how many times did Chloe flipflop on how she felt about Lana's marriage to Lex? She'd say in one episode that Clark had to do something about it; in the next episode, she'd tell Lana that she supported Lana's decision. At no point in my recollection was the focus of Chloe's story during that arc about Chloe - it was all about providing whatever the writers needed her to provide at any given moment (no matter how illogical, given the context of her previous scenes) to do what they wanted to do with Clark and Lexana.

For the first time in years, I feel like Chloe's story this year is about Chloe. I'm invested in her character again. I don't know if I'll like where the story takes her, but I find myself looking forward to next week to see where it goes. Will they show that Chloe was in control or not? Either way, how's she going to react to that? What's she going to do next? How will this impact her future actions? Will she run to Clark to try to get help or avoid him because she's scared of what's happening to her? Will she overcome the darkness inside of her by herself, or will she need help? What will happen next to Chloe?

I haven't cared about Chloe in years. To me, she wasn't a three-dimensional character any longer. She was a chess piece who could be moved around the board to fit whatever role the writers wanted for her at any given time, but her character in itself was not a concern for them to the point where it stopped being a concern for me. Honestly, if Chloe had died after saving Lois or at any point in which she used her power thereafter, I wouldn't have cared. I'd have felt for how that would impact the other characters, because that roll Chloe was filling would no longer be filled and I'd feel that they would feel the loss. But, personally, I'd grieved for the loss of Chloe as a character in herself from shortly after the moment that she found out Clark's secret. So there would have been nothing more for me to grieve for, had Chloe died last season, for example. I feel like the show got rid of "Chloe Sullivan" a long time ago. Years. About S4/S5, really.

Now I feel like they're getting her back. They're focusing on her character. They're making her a character again. Three-dimensional, sympathetic, intriguing. She's no longer just a role-filler, she has her own story to tell, her own arc to live out. And it's focused on her, on what happens to her, on where she's going and what she's doing and who she'll be at the end.

So no, I don't think they're sabotaging Chloe's character - intentionally or otherwise. For the first time in years, I think they're making her a character again. Not just a matter of convenience.

[xrayvision]

You know I might have sided with this premise back when she became a meteor freak, but now it's about Braniac. Her involvement in Clark's life ( Lana too) has hurt Chloe (and Lana) and continues to hurt Chloe. Clark is learning that the people who know and love him become the victims. This storyline is about turning Clark into a being who won't tell anyone his secret except someday Lois. And it will take a long time before he tells Lois as well.

That Chloe knowing Clark's secret comes with a price. Lana suffered last year, this year it's Chloe. It makes sense that she would become a target. And hopefully Clark never asks a human to help him in the way that Chloe did, facing off against Kara who was not really Kara. Clark made a serious mistake here and he has to learn the hard way.

And no Braniac didn't do the killing.

Very nice post. That is very true. Jonathan paid the price with his own life. Pete had to give up living his friendship and pretty much break up his friendship with Clark. Lana was always messed up and had to go through so much more until she finally left last season. Even Martha went to Washington, which has protected her from what Brainiac and others could have done to her. Now's Chloe's turn. It's not about sabotage or deconstructing Chloe. It's about showing why she isn't part of the Superman world and how she gets to that point. It's about how her own faults that had been hidden deep for a while after helping Clark so much will come back to haunt her as every other character's faults have done to them.

Chloe has an evil, alien super artificial intelligence living inside her. She knew what Brainiac has done and hasn't been gung-ho in getting rid of his presence from her mind, even though there's not much that could be done about that anyway.

I read posts about Brainiac being purely/mainly logic since he's a machine (one that knows how to play on emotions though and can even show them as he did to spite Clark last season) and how that is also causing Chloe to lose her humanity and instead think just based on logic. I think this is a good theory and that this is what caused Chloe to kill Sebastian. Chloe had a motive to protect her friend and her brain, which is now (according to this theory) becoming more logic-based and less morals-based, decided that the best step is to kill him. When you think about it, if you rule out morals (right & wrong), killing Sebastian is the best way to stop him from hurting Clark. The threat is ended right there. And that's why she's becoming evil--because losing one's morality makes them become evil. By no longer deciding what actions to take based on right & wrong but instead on pure logic, it allows the person doing it to perform evil actions when they happen to be robbing/killing/etc. That is why Brainiac is evil. It's not because he wants or intends to cause disaster & death, but because causing death is the best way to meet his objectives/programming. And that is what Chloe is becoming.

I also think that Chloe fooled the lie detector in Committed by using her Brainiac abilities because from what we saw in Prey, she isn't so crazy about Jimmy and again identified with Davis. And I can bet something bad will happen between them without reading a single spoiler.

I think Davis isn't the only person losing his humanity this season and that Chloe is another.

[Jory]

Why do some want to see Chloe be a killer? I don't understand the desire to see the character being ripped apart. PS3 have done what I feared they would do, and have Brainiac (or a combo of the two) kill via Chloe, and I hate that. I don't see how that can be good for the character, considering there are people who still hold the deal she made with Lionel (in season 2,3, when she was 15/16 years old) against her. I can only imagine (actually I don't have to imagine) the responses, if PS3 continue to have Chloniac kill people.


I can't figure out Brian Peterson's comment about Chloe fans being "happy" with Chloe. What Chloe fans is he talking about? The actual Chloe fans, or those who say they are but aren't. I don't know any Chloe fan who is happy about Chloniac killing some guy, and using Chloe to do it.

[Sweetie]

They are not sabotaging her,they are fixing her character.She is no longer the poor girl who feels sorry for herself(that must have been so boring to play).Usually,I don't care too much about her character but,now that she is turning darker,she is more interesting & intriguing than ever,she's rocking!!!

Don't worry at the end,she will have a happy ending just like the others.

[RedKRules]

Well ..... they can turn her into whoever they want to ...... she will still be my favorite and the reason I still watch the show ...... no it is not because of Clark or Superman myth.... even though he is my second favorite ..... anyway like I was saying I really hope they cut her some slack and give the decent happy ending she deserves ...... Go Chloe .!!

[xrayvision]

I disagree about the sabotaging of Chloe's character.

To me, Chloe has been - to this point - the most interesting in the very eary stages of the show. Certainly before she learned Clark's secret. That was when time was invested into exploring her feelings, her motives, her desires. And maybe she wasn't always the best - maybe she didn't always do the right thing - but she was sympathetic and really did resonate with me. My heart broke for her when her heart broke, and though I certainly didn't like that she betrayed Clark to Lionel (I yelled at the television screen, in fact), I did feel for her motives for doing so.

That changed fairly quickly after they had hear learn Clark's secret. To me, Chloe has been "sabotaged" over the last few seasons of the show because her character stopped being about her character. It's been, to me, a matter of convenience. They needed someone to provide plot exposition. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to give the answer to the problem. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to be Clark's sounding board so the audience would know how he was feeling at any given moment. They went to Chloe.

But with all of that, it wasn't really her to me. Take Season 5. Clark coming to Chloe to talk to Chloe about his sex life with Lana. Now, granted, she did make a snarky comment about an image that she'd never get out of her mind ever again. But that was in.

Picture Chloe's reaction to that conversation in S3. Would she have taken it the way she did in S5? I bet you not.

Of course, some of that could be attributed to growth, but the problem was that there was no focus there on Chloe's feelings on what she was being told. And she would have a reaction, even if she hid it from Clark at first. In S3, the things Chloe heard and saw impacted her. They changed things for her. She reacted to them. Not just with one comment, they influenced her behavior following the confession/revelation.

Here, she made one little joke, and then it was over. Advice given. Matter dropped. Did it impact Chloe? Did it hurt her to have to give Clark advice on how to sleep with another woman? Did it make her jealous? Did it make her realize it hurt less for her to hear than it once would have? Did it impact her? Did it affect her in any way?

These things weren't shown, because the focus of Chloe's character had stopped being Chloe's character. Chloe's reaction didn't matter in that - and many other - scene, because the point of the scene - of Chloe's arc, really - was no longer about Chloe. Her growth, her character, her motives, her interests, her period. She was simply used to fill a role, not to BE a character. Clark needed to go to someone about sex issues, and they didn't want him to go to his parents. Chloe fit the bill. But Chloe wasn't the important thing in Chloe's scenes, her place in the story was - be it exposition, answer-getting, etc.

Leading into the Lexana marriage, this was also painfully clear. Lana was supposedly her best friend; Lex her greatest enemy. But how many times did Chloe flipflop on how she felt about Lana's marriage to Lex? She'd say in one episode that Clark had to do something about it; in the next episode, she'd tell Lana that she supported Lana's decision. At no point in my recollection was the focus of Chloe's story during that arc about Chloe - it was all about providing whatever the writers needed her to provide at any given moment (no matter how illogical, given the context of her previous scenes) to do what they wanted to do with Clark and Lexana.

For the first time in years, I feel like Chloe's story this year is about Chloe. I'm invested in her character again. I don't know if I'll like where the story takes her, but I find myself looking forward to next week to see where it goes. Will they show that Chloe was in control or not? Either way, how's she going to react to that? What's she going to do next? How will this impact her future actions? Will she run to Clark to try to get help or avoid him because she's scared of what's happening to her? Will she overcome the darkness inside of her by herself, or will she need help? What will happen next to Chloe?

I haven't cared about Chloe in years. To me, she wasn't a three-dimensional character any longer. She was a chess piece who could be moved around the board to fit whatever role the writers wanted for her at any given time, but her character in itself was not a concern for them to the point where it stopped being a concern for me. Honestly, if Chloe had died after saving Lois or at any point in which she used her power thereafter, I wouldn't have cared. I'd have felt for how that would impact the other characters, because that roll Chloe was filling would no longer be filled and I'd feel that they would feel the loss. But, personally, I'd grieved for the loss of Chloe as a character in herself from shortly after the moment that she found out Clark's secret. So there would have been nothing more for me to grieve for, had Chloe died last season, for example. I feel like the show got rid of "Chloe Sullivan" a long time ago. Years. About S4/S5, really.

Now I feel like they're getting her back. They're focusing on her character. They're making her a character again. Three-dimensional, sympathetic, intriguing. She's no longer just a role-filler, she has her own story to tell, her own arc to live out. And it's focused on her, on what happens to her, on where she's going and what she's doing and who she'll be at the end.

So no, I don't think they're sabotaging Chloe's character - intentionally or otherwise. For the first time in years, I think they're making her a character again. Not just a matter of convenience.

Jade, you hit the nail right on the head. That is exactly my thoughts about Chloe. I never liked her more than I did in the first 4 seasons of the show. I completely agree with you about how she was a character to root for---an underdog who the viewers felt bad for when her heart got broken. I felt very bad for her in Fever when Clark mumbled Lana's name in his sleep. I loved how she & Clark had their ups & downs in season 3 and how they fixed their problems at the end of Truth. As soon as season 5 started and she knew Clark's secret, the real Chloe was set aside for some plot advancement tool. Seasons 5-7 were the ones that sabotaged Chloe. That's when she became a hacker just like that without any prior development of hacking skills. She became whatever the plot needed her to become (which is what they were doing with Lana). That turned me off from Chloe and she lost much of her appeal to me.

This season is different though and I like the direction they're taking her. This has been the best thing they've done with her since some of the stuff in season 4 with her finding out about Clark's powers (before she found out about the entire secret) or perhaps her mother's mental disease (which they totally screwed up later on). It's amazing how different she was written in Blank when compared to Arrival/Mortal/Hidden/etc.

[Jade4813]

Why do some want to see Chloe be a killer? I don't understand the desire to see the character being ripped apart. PS3 have done what I feared they would do, and have Brainiac (or a combo of the two) kill via Chloe, and I hate that. I don't see how that can be good for the character, considering there are people who still hold the deal she made with Lionel (in season 2,3, when she was 15/16 years old) against her. I can only imagine (actually I don't have to imagine) the responses, if PS3 continue to have Chloniac kill people.

People are going to hold things that happened years ago against characters. How many times is Lois called a "muffin-peddler" in a derogatory sense? If people don't like the character, they're not going to like the character, no matter what s/he does or why or how. That's just the way things go, but let's not pretend that Chloe's the only character victimized by this sort of thinking.

As for your initial question...I don't want to see Chloe be a killer. But I don't think she is a killer. That is, except for those who just hate the character in question and will use any evidence against him/her that they can, regardless (like "muffin peddler" or "college dropout" or any of the other things said against Lois that either were never true or haven't been true for years now), people can usually distinguish between these concepts.

I don't think that Chloe killed Sebastian. I think Brainiac was influencing her...I'm more of the 50-50. And why does that excite me? Because unlike if Chloe just turned around and killed Sebastian with no explanation - thus making her evil - this is an internal struggle she's going to have. And I find that terribly interesting. I want to know how she'll overcome it. I want to know how it'll affect her. I want to know what she's going to do next.

I like that this is going to be a struggle for her to get past, because that's what makes stories interesting. If you read a novel and the character goes from page 1 to page 200 with everything coming easy for her (or him), the character is probably pretty boring. Where's the conflict? Where's the struggle? Where's the growth?

I've read stories like that, actually. The characters were often called "Mary Sues" or "avatars" and lambasted by fans reading the stories. Particularly OCs.


I can't figure out Brian Peterson's comment about Chloe fans being "happy" with Chloe. What Chloe fans is he talking about? The actual Chloe fans, or those who say they are but aren't. I don't know any Chloe fan who is happy about Chloniac killing some guy, and using Chloe to do it.

:rolleyes: I think this is unfair to your fellow Chloe fans. Just because some may not like Chloe's direction doesn't mean that there necessarily aren't Chloe fans out there who aren't interested in the direction they're going in - and believe that Chloe will come out on the other end just as strong and wonderful as she ever was.

Just because someone doesn't agree with a particular take on the show doesn't mean that they're lying or hiding their true motives. There are a number of people on this site I've seen who are and have been long-term fans of Chloe who seem cautiously optimistic about this storyline and where it's going. Are you saying all your fellow Chloe fans are liars if they don't absolutely agree with this assertion that PS3 are intentionally ruining Chloe? I think many Chloe fans would take offense at the idea that they're not "real" fans of the character just because they're excited about this season. Maybe those other fans just have more faith in the character. :\

Incidentally, I'm not defending myself here. I am now - and have always been - very honest about my perception of Chloe's character. I used to adore her. Then she bored me to tears and I stopped caring about her. Now I'm cautiously optimistic about what they're doing with her.

But, that said, there are a number of people on this site who adore Chloe who are also curious and interested in Chloe's story. Just because they don't see the story in a particular way isn't automatically irrefutable proof that they're lying about their love of Chloe or their motives for being interested in the story. Maybe they just see it differently.

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Well ..... they can turn her into whoever they want to ...... she will still be my favorite and the reason I still watch the show ...... no it is not because of Clark or Superman myth.... even though he is my second favorite ..... anyway like I was saying I really hope they cut her some slack and give the decent happy ending she deserves ...... Go Chloe .!!

Thank you for proving my point, RedKRules! I don't always agree with your posts, but I have no doubt that you are a die-hard Chloe fan. And I don't think you're lying about your affection for her or your motives for being interested in the story. :)

[Jory]

Well ..... they can turn her into whoever they want to ...... she will still be my favorite and the reason I still watch the show ...... no it is not because of Clark or Superman myth.... even though he is my second favorite ..... anyway like I was saying I really hope they cut her some slack and give the decent happy ending she deserves ...... Go Chloe .!!

I doubt PS3 will give her a happy ending.

I think the only people who are happy about the turn of events, are those who want her out of the way for a specific reason..whatever that reason may be.

I do agree that PS3 want fans to turn against Chloe, just as TPTB wanted in season 2. It's disappointing that TPTB aren't better writers, then Chloe wouldn't have been ruined as she is now.


Jade4813 The Chloe fans I talk with (offline) are not happy with the reveal in this episode. They (and myself) have very little faith in PS3. If this involved any other character then I'd think the outcome would be okay;however, I read in the season 7 companion book, that Al (and others) felt that Chloe had to pay for her hacking etc. I have little doubt that Chloe will not be redeemed by PS3; plus, there isn't enough time to do so. Perhaps the Chloe fans on this site have more faith in PS3 than I do, but from the existing spoilers (Abyss, Bride), and comments in the companion book, it's not looking that good for Chloe.

[oldblackmagick]

^^^I am a chloe fan who likes her direction but quit saying she was used...we do not know that!!!

[RedKRules]

Thank you for proving my point, RedKRules! I don't always agree with your posts, but I have no doubt that you are a die-hard Chloe fan. And I don't think you're lying about your affection for her or your motives for being interested in the story. :)


Heyyyyy Jade!! Finally we agree on something :p ......:lol: and I am glad with your point of views on Chloe´s character!!! * give me five * :D;):p:lol:

[Jade4813]

I do agree that PS3 want fans to turn against Chloe, just as TPTB wanted in season 2. It's disappointing that TPTB aren't better writers, then Chloe wouldn't have been ruined as she is now.

Maybe they're wanting the audience to pull for her and get scared for her and root for her to get through it. Or, you know, it could all be a conspiracy and the world is against all Chloe fans, I suppose. :rolleyes:

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Heyyyyy Jade!! Finally we agree on something :p ......:lol: and I am glad with your point of views on Chloe´s character!!! * give me five * :D;):p:lol:

*gives high five*

Well...to be fair, we have agreed - or at least not completely disagreed - on things in the past. None come to mind off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's probably one or two things...! :lol: ;)

[xrayvision]

I doubt PS3 will give her a happy ending.

I think the only people who are happy about the turn of events, are those who want her out of the way for a specific reason..whatever that reason may be.

I do agree that PS3 want fans to turn against Chloe, just as TPTB wanted in season 2. It's disappointing that TPTB aren't better writers, then Chloe wouldn't have been ruined as she is now.

I don't think people turned against Chloe in season 2. I actually liked her a lot back then. Much more than Lana. As a matter of fact, I thought they portrayed Chloe much better than Lana that season with the exception of the ending (even then, we saw Chloe talking to Lionel but not give him anything against Clark).

-In Lineage, when Clark got pissed at her, I understood why he got so pissed, but I also understood Chloe's curiosity and forgave her for it

-In Fever, I felt very bad for Chloe when she showed up to see Clark when he was sick and Lana didn't

-In Dichotic, even though both Lana & Chloe were treating Clark like crap, Chloe was more apologetic of it later on & stayed quiet while Lana was the one who lashed back at Clark

-In Ryan, Chloe offered Lana to stay with her & Gabe so she didn't have to leave Smallville

-In Rush, despite all the stuff that happened when Clark was on red-k and Chloe was infected by the parasites, Clark & Chloe showed their nice friendship at the hospital

-In Witness, I felt bad at how Chloe was being neglected by Clark and how her office at the Torch was ransacked by Lionel

This is all off the top of my head, and there were many more good ways that Chloe was portrayed in season 2.

[RedKRules]

I doubt PS3 will give her a happy ending.

I think the only people who are happy about the turn of events, are those who want her out of the way for a specific reason..whatever that reason may be.

I do agree that PS3 want fans to turn against Chloe, just as TPTB wanted in season 2. It's disappointing that TPTB aren't better writers, then Chloe wouldn't have been ruined as she is now.

I can´t lose hope .... not yet, they didn´t make that big effort to bring her back for nothing right??! So just hang in there Jory, I still believe we will get our pay off on her character!!

[roccanater]

Turning Chloe into Brainiac just further moves along her character. I have been a Chloe fan but I like what is going on.

[FinnHarp]

I think in the early days Chloe was supposed to be a sort of substitute for the Lois character (please don't kill me Chloe fans!!!! :eek: ) then when they brought Lois in and eventually got her into the Daily Planet and teamed her up with Clark, Chloe became sort of pointless. I mean how many episodes could she just be in to do all Clarks investigating. Any fan of Chloe should be glad she's being given something to do again other than just being Clarks personal Wikipedia.
Personally I had no problem with the early version of Chloe but that character can't really play a role in this new life of Clarks, at least not the way she used to. Therefore she has to grow and develop as a character to keep her interesting. I think it's great that she is becoming a completely different and more indipendent person. I mean the old Chloe would have deleted Jimmys picture long before Clark even asked her to. This Chloe thought there was no problem with the picture and told Clark she wouldn't do it but at the same time she made sure that the real threat to his secret was taken care of.

[RedKRules]

*gives high five*

Well...to be fair, we have agreed - or at least not completely disagreed - on things in the past. None come to mind off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's probably one or two things...! :lol: ;)

Better late than never right?! :p :lol:

[Jory]

I can´t lose hope .... not yet, they didn´t make that big effort to bring her back for nothing right??! So just hang in there Jory, I still believe we will get our pay off on her character!!


I'm trying, but with this episode, and Abyss and Bride coming up, it's just getting to be too much. You know? Any other show I'd be reassured that Chloe would find a happy, great ending, but with this show (and the people they have in charge) I doubt that.

It's disheartening to know that it's pointless to express my uneasiness, when one of the producers of the show admits (via the interview with TWOP) that PS3 only read the "happy, positive" posts and not the "unhappy" posts. I feel like my voice isn't being heard, so it's pointless to care any more, and to express myself.

[AndrewVDk]

I agree that Chloe being stripped of her job as journalist at
the Planet (so Lois could be pushed into Chloe's role) is sabotaging her character!
But all the other stuff with Brainaic and Davis is great to me!
I love the ending scene in ''Identity'', it was awesome! Can't wait for more evil Chloe!
As long as she gets the happy ending, I'm cool with everything else!

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Jory, nobody blamed Lana for killing Genevieve or for anything she did while she was Isabelle.

She got over it. Chloe will too.


I agree that Chloe being stripped of her job as journalist at
the Planet (so Lois could be pushed into Chloe's role)

:lol: She was written out of the DP so that Clark could work there(confirmed to Craig by the writers). Which shows how much her role as a journalist is valued.


one of the producers of the show admits (via the interview with TWOP) that PS3 only read the "happy, positive" posts and not the "unhappy" posts.

When did they say that?

[quinny06]

Jade4813, you FREAKED me out with that huge post. It was exactly what I was about to write once I'd read through the whole thread.

[Jade4813]

Jade4813, you FREAKED me out with that huge post. It was exactly what I was about to write once I'd read through the whole thread.

:lol: Great minds!

Your avi...*sigh* I love DT!

[Dustmite]

Well ..... they can turn her into whoever they want to ...... she will still be my favorite and the reason I still watch the show ...... no it is not because of Clark or Superman myth.... even though he is my second favorite ..... anyway like I was saying I really hope they cut her some slack and give the decent happy ending she deserves ...... Go Chloe .!!

:D

I care very very much about which direction they take her in and I'm very wary when it comes to Chloe's plot because of that. However I love the way you put it; very frank and honest :D

[ginnyfan]

I disagree about the sabotaging of Chloe's character.

To me, Chloe has been - to this point - the most interesting in the very eary stages of the show. Certainly before she learned Clark's secret. That was when time was invested into exploring her feelings, her motives, her desires. And maybe she wasn't always the best - maybe she didn't always do the right thing - but she was sympathetic and really did resonate with me. My heart broke for her when her heart broke, and though I certainly didn't like that she betrayed Clark to Lionel (I yelled at the television screen, in fact), I did feel for her motives for doing so.

That changed fairly quickly after they had hear learn Clark's secret. To me, Chloe has been "sabotaged" over the last few seasons of the show because her character stopped being about her character. It's been, to me, a matter of convenience. They needed someone to provide plot exposition. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to give the answer to the problem. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to be Clark's sounding board so the audience would know how he was feeling at any given moment. They went to Chloe.

But with all of that, it wasn't really her to me. Take Season 5. Clark coming to Chloe to talk to Chloe about his sex life with Lana. Now, granted, she did make a snarky comment about an image that she'd never get out of her mind ever again. But that was in.

Picture Chloe's reaction to that conversation in S3. Would she have taken it the way she did in S5? I bet you not.

Of course, some of that could be attributed to growth, but the problem was that there was no focus there on Chloe's feelings on what she was being told. And she would have a reaction, even if she hid it from Clark at first. In S3, the things Chloe heard and saw impacted her. They changed things for her. She reacted to them. Not just with one comment, they influenced her behavior following the confession/revelation.

Here, she made one little joke, and then it was over. Advice given. Matter dropped. Did it impact Chloe? Did it hurt her to have to give Clark advice on how to sleep with another woman? Did it make her jealous? Did it make her realize it hurt less for her to hear than it once would have? Did it impact her? Did it affect her in any way?

These things weren't shown, because the focus of Chloe's character had stopped being Chloe's character. Chloe's reaction didn't matter in that - and many other - scene, because the point of the scene - of Chloe's arc, really - was no longer about Chloe. Her growth, her character, her motives, her interests, her period. She was simply used to fill a role, not to BE a character. Clark needed to go to someone about sex issues, and they didn't want him to go to his parents. Chloe fit the bill. But Chloe wasn't the important thing in Chloe's scenes, her place in the story was - be it exposition, answer-getting, etc.

Leading into the Lexana marriage, this was also painfully clear. Lana was supposedly her best friend; Lex her greatest enemy. But how many times did Chloe flipflop on how she felt about Lana's marriage to Lex? She'd say in one episode that Clark had to do something about it; in the next episode, she'd tell Lana that she supported Lana's decision. At no point in my recollection was the focus of Chloe's story during that arc about Chloe - it was all about providing whatever the writers needed her to provide at any given moment (no matter how illogical, given the context of her previous scenes) to do what they wanted to do with Clark and Lexana.

For the first time in years, I feel like Chloe's story this year is about Chloe. I'm invested in her character again. I don't know if I'll like where the story takes her, but I find myself looking forward to next week to see where it goes. Will they show that Chloe was in control or not? Either way, how's she going to react to that? What's she going to do next? How will this impact her future actions? Will she run to Clark to try to get help or avoid him because she's scared of what's happening to her? Will she overcome the darkness inside of her by herself, or will she need help? What will happen next to Chloe?

I haven't cared about Chloe in years. To me, she wasn't a three-dimensional character any longer. She was a chess piece who could be moved around the board to fit whatever role the writers wanted for her at any given time, but her character in itself was not a concern for them to the point where it stopped being a concern for me. Honestly, if Chloe had died after saving Lois or at any point in which she used her power thereafter, I wouldn't have cared. I'd have felt for how that would impact the other characters, because that roll Chloe was filling would no longer be filled and I'd feel that they would feel the loss. But, personally, I'd grieved for the loss of Chloe as a character in herself from shortly after the moment that she found out Clark's secret. So there would have been nothing more for me to grieve for, had Chloe died last season, for example. I feel like the show got rid of "Chloe Sullivan" a long time ago. Years. About S4/S5, really.

Now I feel like they're getting her back. They're focusing on her character. They're making her a character again. Three-dimensional, sympathetic, intriguing. She's no longer just a role-filler, she has her own story to tell, her own arc to live out. And it's focused on her, on what happens to her, on where she's going and what she's doing and who she'll be at the end.

So no, I don't think they're sabotaging Chloe's character - intentionally or otherwise. For the first time in years, I think they're making her a character again. Not just a matter of convenience.

Great post Jade. I agree.

[celita]

I agree that Chloe being stripped of her job as journalist at
the Planet (so Lois could be pushed into Chloe's role) is sabotaging her character!
But all the other stuff with Brainaic and Davis is great to me!
I love the ending scene in ''Identity'', it was awesome! Can't wait for more evil Chloe!
As long as she gets the happy ending, I'm cool with everything else!


Chloe and Lois were together in the Daily Planet for a year. If Chloe had to go it wasn't for Lois's cause, it was because then wouldn't be logic the whole:

Clark:'I'm going to work in the Daily Planet so I'll know when my help is needed'

I mean, someone in the know would be working in there, Clark wouldn't need to be an employee, with Chloe making a phone call telling where the crisis is would be enough. Besides, Al/Miles were the ones saying "clark can't work in the Daily Planet yet because we have too many reporters in the show and Smallville would look like tvguide's office". They also said that Clark's development as a reporter in the DP was "well, he spends alot of time with Chloe in there". So Chloe's departure was to make room to Clark,not Lois.

Anyway, I used to like Chloe in the past but I haven't like her for a while because she was boring and I didn't like her being Clark's brain, because I don't want a dumb Superman. This year, that Clark is thinking by himself and is him the one caring about his friends, the one who is aware of danger, so I'm not worried by Chloe's impact in his life anymore. They are good friends and if Chloe has a happy ending they'll be even family.

But Chloe's character is starting to become interesting again, probably in the end they'll play a "you weren't yourself" and Chloe will end happy and clean.

I think like Jade,great post.

[RedKRules]

:D

I care very very much about which direction they take her in and I'm very wary when it comes to Chloe's plot because of that. However I love the way you put it; very frank and honest :D

:D thanks .... by the way, I can´t help but feel excited, because she has been involved in the main plots this year..... :) I am sure it will play a big part in the second half of the season, when everything will be explained as well.!!! and as a hard core Reporter Chloe fan ..... I still think she could go back to the Daily or still be a good Reporter somewhere else !!!

[umm]

I disagree. This has been the season of her maturity. She's been self possesed, strong minded and articulate without that doe-eyed, why not me, type of persona that's been her strong suit in all years prior.
I think there is more to this Braniac Plot than what meets the eye and that might prove to be the most interesting character dissection the show has done hands down.

I couldn't agree more! This is Chloe's season! For once the riters are pulling a believable180 degrees turn about development! Chloe has been written so completly dramaticly different, and it works! The actress herself is good enough to pull it off, and the character is stron enough to be able to bear this dramatic change without appearing contrived and unbelievable!
Of course I don't want her to die or remain evil for ever, but this season she should remain in this dark and dramatic frame of mind the writers have intended for her!

[mistaguitarmasta]

I disagree about the sabotaging of Chloe's character.

To me, Chloe has been - to this point - the most interesting in the very eary stages of the show. Certainly before she learned Clark's secret. That was when time was invested into exploring her feelings, her motives, her desires. And maybe she wasn't always the best - maybe she didn't always do the right thing - but she was sympathetic and really did resonate with me. My heart broke for her when her heart broke, and though I certainly didn't like that she betrayed Clark to Lionel (I yelled at the television screen, in fact), I did feel for her motives for doing so.

That changed fairly quickly after they had hear learn Clark's secret. To me, Chloe has been "sabotaged" over the last few seasons of the show because her character stopped being about her character. It's been, to me, a matter of convenience. They needed someone to provide plot exposition. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to give the answer to the problem. They went to Chloe. They needed someone to be Clark's sounding board so the audience would know how he was feeling at any given moment. They went to Chloe.

But with all of that, it wasn't really her to me. Take Season 5. Clark coming to Chloe to talk to Chloe about his sex life with Lana. Now, granted, she did make a snarky comment about an image that she'd never get out of her mind ever again. But that was in.

Picture Chloe's reaction to that conversation in S3. Would she have taken it the way she did in S5? I bet you not.

Of course, some of that could be attributed to growth, but the problem was that there was no focus there on Chloe's feelings on what she was being told. And she would have a reaction, even if she hid it from Clark at first. In S3, the things Chloe heard and saw impacted her. They changed things for her. She reacted to them. Not just with one comment, they influenced her behavior following the confession/revelation.

Here, she made one little joke, and then it was over. Advice given. Matter dropped. Did it impact Chloe? Did it hurt her to have to give Clark advice on how to sleep with another woman? Did it make her jealous? Did it make her realize it hurt less for her to hear than it once would have? Did it impact her? Did it affect her in any way?

These things weren't shown, because the focus of Chloe's character had stopped being Chloe's character. Chloe's reaction didn't matter in that - and many other - scene, because the point of the scene - of Chloe's arc, really - was no longer about Chloe. Her growth, her character, her motives, her interests, her period. She was simply used to fill a role, not to BE a character. Clark needed to go to someone about sex issues, and they didn't want him to go to his parents. Chloe fit the bill. But Chloe wasn't the important thing in Chloe's scenes, her place in the story was - be it exposition, answer-getting, etc.

Leading into the Lexana marriage, this was also painfully clear. Lana was supposedly her best friend; Lex her greatest enemy. But how many times did Chloe flipflop on how she felt about Lana's marriage to Lex? She'd say in one episode that Clark had to do something about it; in the next episode, she'd tell Lana that she supported Lana's decision. At no point in my recollection was the focus of Chloe's story during that arc about Chloe - it was all about providing whatever the writers needed her to provide at any given moment (no matter how illogical, given the context of her previous scenes) to do what they wanted to do with Clark and Lexana.

For the first time in years, I feel like Chloe's story this year is about Chloe. I'm invested in her character again. I don't know if I'll like where the story takes her, but I find myself looking forward to next week to see where it goes. Will they show that Chloe was in control or not? Either way, how's she going to react to that? What's she going to do next? How will this impact her future actions? Will she run to Clark to try to get help or avoid him because she's scared of what's happening to her? Will she overcome the darkness inside of her by herself, or will she need help? What will happen next to Chloe?

I haven't cared about Chloe in years. To me, she wasn't a three-dimensional character any longer. She was a chess piece who could be moved around the board to fit whatever role the writers wanted for her at any given time, but her character in itself was not a concern for them to the point where it stopped being a concern for me. Honestly, if Chloe had died after saving Lois or at any point in which she used her power thereafter, I wouldn't have cared. I'd have felt for how that would impact the other characters, because that roll Chloe was filling would no longer be filled and I'd feel that they would feel the loss. But, personally, I'd grieved for the loss of Chloe as a character in herself from shortly after the moment that she found out Clark's secret. So there would have been nothing more for me to grieve for, had Chloe died last season, for example. I feel like the show got rid of "Chloe Sullivan" a long time ago. Years. About S4/S5, really.

Now I feel like they're getting her back. They're focusing on her character. They're making her a character again. Three-dimensional, sympathetic, intriguing. She's no longer just a role-filler, she has her own story to tell, her own arc to live out. And it's focused on her, on what happens to her, on where she's going and what she's doing and who she'll be at the end.

So no, I don't think they're sabotaging Chloe's character - intentionally or otherwise. For the first time in years, I think they're making her a character again. Not just a matter of convenience.

Totally agree, this has been a great Season for Chloe. I've been LOVING Allison's portrayal of her, because they've been giving her great material to work with. So far this rivals Season 5 as the best season for Chloe/Allison.

[rogueslayer1985]

personally i loved chloe better seasons 1-4 and just think she changed little by little until she was no longer the character that compelled me to watch this dwindling show.

[tyson08]

Great post Jade. There are some points I'd argue against, but I agree with them bringing Chloe's character back to life.