Should Jimmy's camera have caught Clark?

[tippership commander]

In the episode Justice , Lionel stated that a pic"of Bart" risked Clark's secret..
He also said he should be catiouary ,and that he knew there weren't too many people who could easily exceed the speed of light..

The prob is, when these guys superspeed, (at higher superspeeds), time STOPS till they slow down( CLark and he infomous football superspeed scene, him Running towards Brainiac with the electricity that was charging brainy STOPPED in it's tracks( fyi, electrons are on the tier of light speed, varies
SO, what happened?

1. Clark's stupid, to not SEE a flash frozen in time , and should have grabbed something to shield him from the light( IT doesn' matter if he did this, because he can move so fast, he can spend a couple minutes looking for a garbage ca nlid, and the truck wont have moved a nanometer in his world)
2. i know quite well how cameras work ,and Jimmy's camera, a plain photographers camera, shouldn't have been able to produce even THAT good of a blur, Let alone a blur at all, for if clarks' moving faster than photons, and randomly running into them, he's PUSH them so they don't bounce right, and reflect back to the camera...

plainly put, this is on the writers, unless we want to say clark decided to superspeed slower than norm

But, what gives? with speeds where you're 1000 miles away before someoen can blink, and we have a camera who's shutter speed isn;t much faster than that very blink...!
A pic of him superspeeding? whenther it be as goood as jimmy's or not, ..i don't think so..

oh well, intro t osupes, for public, tho they didn't have to use his speed as the catalyst

[borednow]

Clark isn't moving at faster then light speed.

[tippership commander]

Clark isn't moving at faster then light speed.


i used to think that, until Justice when lionel confirmed it's true...

Yoou're right if youre drawing from history, only Pre-crisis supes pulled off the multiple light speed stuff( and superboy-prime)

But,there's not a lot against it, i mean, if they want sv clark to do it, it easily explains his feats of the time's he's supersped to the point where things from footballs to lightning were stopped...

of course, not every time this happens, ( most time he blocks bullets now, they're moving) but, there are cases...

it's a safe bet....

Lol, this is techncally'pre crisis supes' until the writers start crisis, or something

[minerva73]

The bullet thing basically contradicts your argument. Jimmy (or anyone with decent experience) could take a picture of a bullet being shot (with a basic disposable camera let alone a camea with quality like Jimmy's) and there'd be a brief blur of the bullet (not in it's entirety). Clark can run and stop a bullet, so if a picture of a bullet can be taken, then the blur of Clark can also be taken since his speed can vary.

[borednow]

You can catch Lightning and bullets on camera... neither move at super-luminous speeds. Clark saw the flash going off... meaning the light was being turned on and it was traveling to his eye. AKA not faster then light.

[tippership commander]

The bullet thing basically contradicts your argument in a way. Jimmy (or anyone with decent experience) could take a picture of a bullet being shot (with a camera with quality like Jimmy's) and there'd be a brief blur of the bullet (not in it's entirety). Clark can run and stop a bullet, so if a picture of a bullet can be taken, then the blur of Clark can also be taken since his speed can vary.


you're right....
contradictions? oh, i was pointing out the exceptions, because clark 's speeds DO VARy, from things slowed-stopped...(i think he just needs to get faster ,just like he needs to fly, use freeze breath, etc)....but, that would only happen if he was moving not much faster tha nbullets travel ,whic hwas the second option i suggested..

I mean, he def wasn't moving his fastest....

yes, a bullet might produce a streak if jummy's shutter speed is one of those high ones..
i dont think it'd get clark moving at his fastest superspeeds...( ex: his brainiac blitz-type of speeds)...

But, well said , minerva

----- Added 9 Minutes later -----


You can catch Lightning and bullets on camera... neither move at super-luminous speeds. Clark saw the flash going off... meaning the light was being turned on and it was traveling to his eye. AKA not faster then light.

i know what you can catch at super speeds..

As a matter of fact, it's my speciality'

i'm a physics major who is highly into this stuff..

in 2003, a popular science arcitle contained cameras from a company named cordin cameras..

they were able to use revolving shutter high speed camera to take pics of a laser moving at 7 ft per nanosecond..

this alone proves that light itself can even be taken in pics....although that type of shot was only possible with that camera, and even then, it was light speed in air...

it was at it's limits..

GOing off superman lore, especially as to before Crisis of infinite earths, supes was moving at speeds beyond this....


Yes, you can catch lightning on camera, i've got tons of the pics of leader and return charges moving at lightning's speeds ...and lightning moves from 84000 mph at slowest, to the few super-accelerated electrons that are around a photon's speed....


I conclude that yes, the episode did portray the flash already having gone off(and illuminating clark, im watchign it now)...but, the doppler effect alone should have stopped this..(photon's path's distorting from hittign a object moving at that speed.....)

At this point, im just going to call this a case of clar knot moving at his top speeds..

[borednow]

Well as a physics major myself, I'd say you have to stop thinking about it much... ultimately if Clark were moving Super-luminously how the hell would he see anything? So you stop, take a deep breath and say well it's a comic book show not the theory of relativity in practice.

[tippership commander]

Well as a physics major myself, I'd say you have to stop thinking about it much... ultimately if Clark were moving Super-luminously how the hell would he see anything? So you stop, take a deep breath and say well it's a comic book show not the theory of relativity in practice.



I kno, lol


its still fun to try, and actually cool when the physics DO add up, like bart running on water in Run

[rob is, CLark doesn't superspeed for fun....oh welll

oh ,to thatm i'd take a guess(prob what the writers would come up with) he moves faster than the photons, so he runs into them from behind, to 'see'... LOL....

seriously tho, im not hyping on this.....

and the writers did need a way to get his pic without ppl identifying clark, so what better way than a blur..hence his speed..

:D

[psyko69]

Suspension. Of. Disbelief.

This is a show about and alien from another planet with godlike powers. It doesn't get anymore unrealistic than that.

Besides, the continuity was accurate, Justice already established that single frame blurs of their super speed can be captured.

Clark doesn't necessarily stop time, he can just run places in namoseconds. We have seen Clark appear to disappear when super speed is shown in real time. The slowdown FX are just a convenience to viewers.

[mark08201981]

If I remember my physics classes right, light is always traveling ahead of you, regardless of your speed. And Clark was clearly moving faster than light as the photons from the camera were shown to be moving slowly towards him while he was reacting.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

( fyi, electrons are on the tier of light speed, varies


I agree with on the idea that the camera should not get that good an image of him, but

i'm sorry electrons do not move anywhere near the speed of light if your talking about electricity.

[pizzahead2490]

i'm still confused about why clark saw the light going off and didnt do anything about it. i know clark is fasster than bullet so shouldnt he be faster than light speed.

[Mars Investigations]

Suspension. Of. Disbelief.

This is a show about and alien from another planet with godlike powers. It doesn't get anymore unrealistic than that.

*coughcough*Isobel*coughcough*

;)

[Iluvgreen]

The picture was pretty much already taken. and clark showed up at the very end on the flash.

[tippership commander]

If I remember my physics classes right, light is always traveling ahead of you, regardless of your speed. And Clark was clearly moving faster than light as the photons from the camera were shown to be moving slowly towards him while he was reacting.

well, you're right..


this is another BDA moment when clar ksees the flash going off at end of things ,and keeps going....

he HD literall all the time in the world to notice the camera, or anything else...

BTW, for the other guy, electrons speeds VARY....

they can approach and nearly match the speed of light, they're known as 'killer electrons' that have bee naccelerated way past norm electrons,...but, thats a whole other story...physics related... i wont get int oit...

you know, clark has been prett ydum lately...

also, yes ,justice did establish some super speed shots could indeed be taken...tho it was a WAY worse pic than jimmy's....

I guess, this is the part where some1 says to me"its obvious he wasn't moving at his higher speeds, cas his is clark thinking it's going to be another easy , barge in head rescue, like he was doing in the other episode, so he recklessly charges ahead..

PS, charges ahead....JUST LIKE he did in justice, into that kryptonite room.....a BDA for sure

[borednow]

I agree with on the idea that the camera should not get that good an image of him, but

i'm sorry electrons do not move anywhere near the speed of light if your talking about electricity.

... electrons are often accelerated to .999C in particle accelerators so...

[maryjanewatson]

In the episode Justice , Lionel stated that a pic"of Bart" risked Clark's secret..
He also said he should be catiouary ,and that he knew there weren't too many people who could easily exceed the speed of light..

The prob is, when these guys superspeed, (at higher superspeeds), time STOPS till they slow down( CLark and he infomous football superspeed scene, him Running towards Brainiac with the electricity that was charging brainy STOPPED in it's tracks( fyi, electrons are on the tier of light speed, varies
SO, what happened?

1. Clark's stupid, to not SEE a flash frozen in time , and should have grabbed something to shield him from the light( IT doesn' matter if he did this, because he can move so fast, he can spend a couple minutes looking for a garbage ca nlid, and the truck wont have moved a nanometer in his world)
2. i know quite well how cameras work ,and Jimmy's camera, a plain photographers camera, shouldn't have been able to produce even THAT good of a blur, Let alone a blur at all, for if clarks' moving faster than photons, and randomly running into them, he's PUSH them so they don't bounce right, and reflect back to the camera...

plainly put, this is on the writers, unless we want to say clark decided to superspeed slower than norm

But, what gives? with speeds where you're 1000 miles away before someoen can blink, and we have a camera who's shutter speed isn;t much faster than that very blink...!
A pic of him superspeeding? whenther it be as goood as jimmy's or not, ..i don't think so..

oh well, intro t osupes, for public, tho they didn't have to use his speed as the catalyst

Time doesn't stop when clark is at super speed. It looks that way so we can comprehend how fast he is really going, and see what exactly he is doing at super speed.

[tippership commander]

Time doesn't stop when clark is at super speed. It looks that way so we can comprehend how fast he is really going, and see what exactly he is doing at super speed.

well, according to his historyt, when lark has fought enemieswhoO stop time, he's been able o move so fast ,he's able to reac htheir level, and then go even FASTER...

i cant remember the villan.....dr zoom? nah....wrong thing....anyway, From what i understand(might be pre crisis) ,what it's supposed to be is that he can move so fast, that he ges to the point where the clock doesn't TICK a nanosecond, for him, unil AFTER he's exited...

althogh, there is a fata lflaw with this..
if he decided to just go at C , light speed, even light speed would still have the clock moving, at nanosecond intervals.....so, this is a weakness to a supes who doesnt move faster than light...


WHo knows, prob some combo of his bio field, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, it' probabl time dilation...to the EXTREME..

i wish i had his super speed power.....being a sprinter, i'd LOVE it

i would ALWAS ue the phrase"1000 mile saway before u can blink" prob is, thered have to be ohers with the power for me to have fun with, ..

ANyway, i'm calling time dilation on this one

[migo]

Well as a physics major myself, I'd say you have to stop thinking about it much... ultimately if Clark were moving Super-luminously how the hell would he see anything? So you stop, take a deep breath and say well it's a comic book show not the theory of relativity in practice.

He'd be able to see based on the photons going into his eyes and landing on his retina. He wouldn't suddenly go blind if he goes >C

[borednow]

He'd be able to see based on the photons going into his eyes and landing on his retina. He wouldn't suddenly go blind if he goes >C

... ummm yeah he would because he would be traveling faster then the photons. Actually even at high enough sup C speeds he would blue shift them out of his visual range. :lol: really applying real world physics to Clark just isn't going to do anything for you.

[maryjanewatson]

...He is not stopping time. He is just moving super super fast. Because he is superman.

And as far as I remember, Clark has never had an enemy who stopped time. This isn't "heroes."

[bobser]

Clark's speed is getting pretty awesome on the show, but when he's saving someone he probably does have to cap it. Superman or not, yoinking a person up at a bit less than lightspeed could be a bit on the disastrous side.

[maryjanewatson]

But he is superman, and he can just do these things. And it's a comic book/show.

plus, I heard that superman/clark has like a protective aura emitting from him for anyone who is really close. explaining why he can run at superspeed with someone in his arms, or how he can just lay on top of someone without completely covering them, and still save them from a massive fiery explosion, without them getting burned one little bit.

I'm just saying O.o

[migo]

... ummm yeah he would because he would be traveling faster then the photons. Actually even at high enough sup C speeds he would blue shift them out of his visual range. :lol: really applying real world physics to Clark just isn't going to do anything for you.

He would still see the photons. He'd hit them instead of them hitting him, and he'd see some images from behind him mixed in, but he'd still be able to see.

[Tone]

would any one especially the physic majors agree that if he goes at his full fastest speed to move someone out of the way of a car he might just ripp that person in half. It sounds like too much speed for the human body if you ask me and that may be why he slowed down or not went his fastest.

[BULLITT]

Total BS.
To even have the chance at securing a flash image, the camera would have to be set at it's highest ISP setting. If that were done, then Jimmy would not get the image of the mugger, and that was the whole point of his taking a picture in the first place.

The writers don't like to sweat the details on this show.

Season 1, Smallville to Metropolis - 3 hrs? Now, it's like a suburb.

[borednow]

would any one especially the physic majors agree that if he goes at his full fastest speed to move someone out of the way of a car he might just ripp that person in half. It sounds like too much speed for the human body if you ask me and that may be why he slowed down or not went his fastest.

probably cause their internal organs to explode but yes you get the idea. F = ma


He would still see the photons. He'd hit them instead of them hitting him, and he'd see some images from behind him mixed in, but he'd still be able to see.

ever heard of the Doppler affect?

[migo]

That's not what's at play here. If he's moving faster than light, the photons are effectively standing still and he's moving into them. As he moves into them, he sees what anyone would see if the photons were moving into their retina if they were standing still where and when Clark is at that time. The only problem is photons that were moving away would also be standing still, and he'd run into them, so he'd be seeing things that are behind him and to either side of him. It'd be disorienting, but he wouldn't be blind.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

If I remember my physics classes right, light is always traveling ahead of you, regardless of your speed.

Light is only travelling ahead of you if it has already passed you. That is if you are between the wavefront and the epicentre. If you are outside the wavefront as Clark is light is tavelling towards him no matter what speed he is at.


well, you're right..

BTW, for the other guy, electrons speeds VARY....

they can approach and nearly match the speed of light, they're known as 'killer electrons' that have bee naccelerated way past norm electrons,...but, thats a whole other story...physics related... i wont get int oit...



I originaly said that in electricity electrons are traveling nowhere near C. As the original poster referred to electrons in electricity.

Anyway, if everything Superman did obeyed Physics then Smallville would be boring. Simple as!!:)

[borednow]

That's not what's at play here. If he's moving faster than light, the photons are effectively standing still and he's moving into them. As he moves into them, he sees what anyone would see if the photons were moving into their retina if they were standing still where and when Clark is at that time. The only problem is photons that were moving away would also be standing still, and he'd run into them, so he'd be seeing things that are behind him and to either side of him. It'd be disorienting, but he wouldn't be blind.

.... That works only if you completely ignore the wave properties of light and the laws of relativity....

[Super EJ]

I think your right in one way, which is that clark could have moved somewhere else or should have blocked himself with somthing so that the camera wouldn't have taken his picture. But I also know alot of photography and I know that you can get a glimps of somone superspeeding as long as the flash, flashes in time. If not it wouldn't have worked out. Rember this isn't the movie "Clock Stoppers." These things can happen.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Right, it has to be down to the shutter speed, doesn't it?????

If you take a very fast shutter speed, say 1/1000 sec, then as his blur spanned about 2m

then 2x1000x60x60x(5/8) gives 4500mph.

If superman can move faster than this then the photo is a fake.

However when he superspeeded to Brazil, at 4500mph that would have took 3hrs. I think he did it less than that.

Anybody else got numbers on Supes speed?

[mistaguitarmasta]

Two things:

1.) Clark can move faster than light, but he wasn't doing so in this scenario. In "Arctic", when he charged forward at Brainiac while he was attempting to load up on electricity, the lightning bolts appeared to stay still while Clark ran. The only explanation for this is that Clark was running faster than light speed. Now, in this situation, we could see the light from Jimmy's flash bulb changing in intensity as it flashed. This means Clark was not running faster than light in this case.

2.) Clark does not stop time, he simply moves so fast that everything else looks to be slowed down almost to the point where time appears to have stopped, but not quite. As we found out recently, even Hiro Nakamura doesn't actually stop time.

[tippership commander]

Right, it has to be down to the shutter speed, doesn't it?????

If you take a very fast shutter speed, say 1/1000 sec, then as his blur spanned about 2m

then 2x1000x60x60x(5/8) gives 4500mph.

If superman can move faster than this then the photo is a fake.

However when he superspeeded to Brazil, at 4500mph that would have took 3hrs. I think he did it less than that.

Anybody else got numbers on Supes speed?

ELECTRONS CAN move at C speeds, look up'killer electrons' , ti's natural phenomon..

anyway, brainiac was charging up, so it's iffy..

ANYWAY, SUPES pre-crisis, top speeds...

ALL u guys sayign this isnt heroes or clockstoppers....unfortunatly, it is..

you see, in the comics, (im unting for issue numbers), supes did move so fast, time did STOP for him...i actually dont know if time dilation had anything to d owith it( would be extreme , total, time dilation) ...but, i think bak then,. his speed WAS connected to his chrono powers... which accounts for SV ppl being able to just 'enter superspeed mode' such as maxima, just 'noticing' clark moving near her, tho he's moving at speeds so fast, NO one else would have a chance of even detectingsome1 iek that...

But YES, his powers seem conneted to chrono powers of supes.

and YES, he's used his superspeed to fiht ppl who stopped time.....he moved so fast, he just reached their level..

ANYWAY, SUpes top speed..

we know pre-crisis routinely did 17X light speed( wally, th fastest flash , did 10X before the speed force asborbed him)
and prime...went so fast, the multiverse threatened to collapse..
SO, his speed..... u kidding me???

WHat does the scouter say abotu supe's speed level??
It's WHATEVER speed he wants t ogo!!

honestly, his bio field cancels out soni cbooms in this show, so he doesnt have to worry about that/..

the feat where electros were totally stopped to him...

that means, in THAT CASE , he's WELL WELL well over 100000mph, or 200000, ...


NOW, to get to C, he needs to do 670 million miles per hour...idk what mach it is, ill look it up next time..

Now, his super speed, from what SV has shown, has 2 versions

version #1...LONG run, super speed..eh does this on straights, runs distances wit it, leaps liek a mile per step, raced Bart down farm road with this one, he alsy raced raya with this, , you see this when he's reallygoing, and is outside, and is going distance...RUN at the end showed this..

in THIS, i think he's slightly slower than#2(which ill explain), but he does this ANYWAY for the long steps, which are easier for him .....in moving distances..

in this mode, time dilation is still in pretty darn effect, like when he passed that car with lana ,....so, things are still frozen

this MAYBE MIGHT BE THE HONDURAS RUN

#2..he uses this one whenever he goes indoors, or in RUn, the firs ttime he chased bart, and the ime in Justice they fought..

things are vividly STOPPED, his aura is way visible, it this mode, he controls it, from moving slow(liek bullets, when tha tbullet almost his lex, he watched it in slow motion , deciding if he wanted to let lex die).. to TOTAL STOPPAGE, and his true SPEED(hat football game, where he did ALL that ,aved chloe, punched a bad guy, and went BAXK to the football game TO be tackeled, after throwing he football)..
his is the super speed maxima used t osee clark rush by her...this seems faster, but UNDERSTANDABLY, he's moving faster, than #1 ,and isn't doing the mile-step version, ...

he uses this one indoors.....and outdoors, tho not often....he used this ine against brainiac , in that final fight.

so, his speed...meh...

Ould he fight the clockstoppers or Heroes? following canonity, (in heroes, daphne 'moves' fast enough t omove in his tipme stopped world(and, he doesnt always 'HOLD ti stopped ,as we saw him loose his grip a bit")) ...and, comic wise ,he'll easily take he clockstoppers....except in both case,s he can STILL AMP it up...

but, this is sv clark, he doesnt love exploring powers(remember the botched KARA flying lessons he chickened out of? what a wuss, and yet he's doing more superjumps,and can survive space falls, but NO, he doesnt want to even TRY,,,,,WUSS)

so, his speed isn't always full rive, caz he does it ona need basis....if no one's life is threatened, he's average.. if it's SERIOUS, he'll go faster and faster, depending on threat..

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Two things:

1.) Clark can move faster than light, but he wasn't doing so in this scenario. In "Arctic", when he charged forward at Brainiac while he was attempting to load up on electricity, the lightning bolts appeared to stay still while Clark ran. The only explanation for this is that Clark was running faster than light speed. Now, in this situation, we could see the light from Jimmy's flash bulb changing in intensity as it flashed. This means Clark was not running faster than light in this case.

2.) Clark does not stop time, he simply moves so fast that everything else looks to be slowed down almost to the point where time appears to have stopped, but not quite. As we found out recently, even Hiro Nakamura doesn't actually stop time.



HEY, you forgot, it was revealed by the interview that she runs around in his'time stopped world' out of brea's mouth herself...ignoring that..

HER speed tral was visible, the ndissapeared right before she looked at him

i BET this means he had it totally stopped, then let loose his grip a little...prob lessened the strain, tho there's no residual strain for him

ALSO, remember in that same episode, he was MOVING THE CLOCK HAND FORWARD AND BACK! whic hmeans, if he can hit forward and reverse, there's nothing saying he absolutely cant PAUSE IT AT ONE POINT...seriously , if a guy moves forward and backward, there's nothing saying he CANT stop time, just that he DIDNT, or at least after a short while after followign her....

ANyway, her speed is really incosistent..beign able to move in his world of speed, but taking like 10 seconds to get to paris...

anyway, clark and bart would CREAM her in a race, and fight, but ....

[migo]

.... That works only if you completely ignore the wave properties of light and the laws of relativity....

You have to ignore the laws of relativity if we're talking about FTL travel. Photons also have particle properties. And as a particle, it works.

[tippership commander]

You have to ignore the laws of relativity if we're talking about FTL travel. Photons also have particle properties. And as a particle, it works.

apparently

[borednow]

You have to ignore the laws of relativity if we're talking about FTL travel. Photons also have particle properties. And as a particle, it works.

Yes they have particle properties but they have wave properties too which cause Doppler affects based on motion, red and blue sifting which at speeds comparable to light at all make it impossible to get information from said light as light traveling away from him would be red-shifted out of existence and light traveling towards him would be all blue shifted to become the same frequency of gama-rays, thus there is no "sight" light carries it's "color" information via frequencies if light is standing still to you it has no information!... anyway the point is you have to ignore all physics to accept Superman. If we are going to discus the physics of it we can't just say well at faster then light travel we need to ignore relativity :rolleyes: You either ignore it all, or you don't. If Clark was running faster then the speed of light he would travel infinite distance in no apparent time to him when in fact he would actually be traveling backward in time while the whole of the universe would "appear" as a single point do to length compressions... Is this information interesting? I think so... is it useful to the show? :rotfl:

[baltazor]

I didn't like the idea that Clark could RUN faster than light. As far as i know superman could reach light speed only by flying...

[borednow]

I didn't like the idea that Clark could RUN faster than light. As far as i know superman could reach light speed only by flying...

it wouldn't matter if he was running flying or using a pogo stick the end results would be the same physics wise...

[TOMophilus]

would any one especially the physic majors agree that if he goes at his full fastest speed to move someone out of the way of a car he might just ripp that person in half. It sounds like too much speed for the human body if you ask me and that may be why he slowed down or not went his fastest.
Exactly. Being hit by a Boeing 747 at its highest speed would not be pleasant. Since Supes is even faster than a 474, his effect would be much worse (even though his mass is lower). Even slowing down a bit wouldn´t help: he has to slow down to normal human walking speed if he doesn´t want to hurt the people he saves. (But that would mean that he could be photographed.) Just remember that you can get hurt badly already in a car accident with 30mph. Moving people out of the way of a speeding bullet with a speed faster than a speeding bullet is just as fatal as the bullet.

Another relativistic problem: If Supes were to fly with the speed of light, his mass would become infinite. Hence it would require infinite energy for him to move forward. The entire energy of the universe would not suffice to do this...

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

ELECTRONS CAN move at C speeds, look up'killer electrons' , ti's natural phenomon..

If you had took the time to read my post, i was talking about the speed of electrons in an electric current!:mad:

This is nowhere near C and if you have ever worked out the drift velocity of electrons you would see this.

I know electrons can go much faster but in an electric current they are slow.

Another thing, most of these posters must have been absent the day their physics teacher taught that nothingcan go faster than the speed of light.

If photons, that weight nothing can only go at C, what makes you think a finite mass can go quicker???:\

----- Added 9 Minutes later -----

I don't want to start an argument, on whether Supes can go faster than light or not.

I dont know, because im not big into the comics, but i suppose he can because he simply has to!

But when people start saying 'this or that' is what happens when he goes faster than light, im sorry but these have to be theories.

They have to be theories, when nobody has gone faster than C, NEVER MIND WORKING OUT WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE.

But to repeat myself, I am not arguing whether Supes go faster or not, just what happens when he does.

Nobody nows only him:lol:

[shark87]

Well if clark had run with a speed of light, imagine what would have left of Lois :) I think he was a little bit slower this time ;)

[migo]

MOD EDIT

[Sweetie]

Lucky for him he is faster at running than thinking ;)

[borednow]

MOD EDIT

... I'm not ignoring the partial properties... I actually understand wave/particle duality the problem is neither side goes away simple because it's convenient! They aren't actually waves or particles! You can't simple treat them as particles and say the properties such as color would have any meaning! A stopped photon ultimate is non-existent... they only have relativistic mass... they are an electromagnetic wave even if they have particle properties that fundamental ID wont disappear...

[migo]

It's not stopped, it's still moving, Clark's just moving faster. Once you're taking liberties to allow FTL travel, anything that offers a half decent explanation is good enough. If you really want to argue the problems of FTL travel, it isn't that he'd be blind, it's that according to our current knowledge he'd be traveling back in time. Since that isn't happening, laws of physics have changed so that we're dealing with Newtonian physics at really high speeds, rather than Einsteinian.

[Karafan1]

If it didn't catch hin in "Hydro", then how could it have caught him in "Identity"??

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Is this information interesting? I think so...

Bri your interests are 100% confirmed. I can officially announce you are a maths/physics nerd!!!


Doppler affects based on motion, red and blue sifting which at speeds comparable to light at all make it impossible to get information from said light as light traveling away from him would be red-shifted out of existence and light traveling towards him would be all blue shifted to become the same frequency of gama-rays

As to your theory about doppler shifting, (I like), whats wrong with Superman seeing in the gamma region? Just because us humans cant see past 400 nm doesn't mean that kryptonians cant.

But as to theory about shifting out of existence im not sure. You say at speeds comparable to C. Well lets say 0.99C if thats close enough for you.

At 0.99C observed frequency=14 or 1/14 emitted frequency

Not exactly shifted out of existance!

[oqllcksmallville]

Clark can move faster then a speeding bullet ;
and faster then the speed of light .
point blank , period !
- I dont know ,
but hey ; it made a good storyline . ( y )

[borednow]

Bri your interests are 100% confirmed. I can officially announce you are a maths/physics nerd!!!



As to your theory about doppler shifting, (I like), whats wrong with Superman seeing in the gamma region? Just because us humans cant see past 400 nm doesn't mean that kryptonians cant.

But as to theory about shifting out of existence im not sure. You say at speeds comparable to C. Well lets say 0.99C if thats close enough for you.

At 0.99C observed frequency=14 or 1/14 emitted frequency

Not exactly shifted out of existance!

Thanks for the acknowledgment of my nerdiness!

If Superman could see in the gamma region... cool, but at C you get a divide by zero error in the Doppler effect. The light would either have infinite frequency or none... all light... I'm not seeing that as useful if you get me. ;) but this is really psychotic stuff anyway and yeah and light speed Clark would have infinite mass as well! and there would be no distance and... :lol: really pointless stuff to talk about on a super hero show... unless your watching Noein...

[tippership commander]

If you had took the time to read my post, i was talking about the speed of electrons in an electric current!:mad:

This is nowhere near C and if you have ever worked out the drift velocity of electrons you would see this.

I know electrons can go much faster but in an electric current they are slow.

Another thing, most of these posters must have been absent the day their physics teacher taught that nothingcan go faster than the speed of light.

If photons, that weight nothing can only go at C, what makes you think a finite mass can go quicker???:\

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I don't want to start an argument, on whether Supes can go faster than light or not.

I dont know, because im not big into the comics, but i suppose he can because he simply has to!

But when people start saying 'this or that' is what happens when he goes faster than light, im sorry but these have to be theories.

They have to be theories, when nobody has gone faster than C, NEVER MIND WORKING OUT WHETHER IT IS POSSIBLE.

But to repeat myself, I am not arguing whether Supes go faster or not, just what happens when he does.

Nobody nows only him:lol:


i didn't mean t o'tick
you off.... i did read your post, and understood you completly...
true, this may all be speculation...however, sicne we've already broke nthat rule, by supes moving at c speeds, ..

the electric current part , you are corret....but let us not debate brainiac's charging process, THAT could be anyting , froom his supersharging at 30999X the speed of light, to 1 mph....we shouldn't dwell on it other than the fact clark easily moves in a world where eletrons won't move at all until he slows down, at his higher speeds....

the ifinite mass thing...ues, physics denotes it'd need infinite energy...technically, supes can pull that off.....no one knew that?


i was nver intending to try to get th message across that that's what MUST happe nat those speeds.....


i'll say this much...Bart better watch ut, because 'stretch' is appriaching pre-crisis speeds...and, now, even if bart can be 1000 miles away before some1 blinks(btw, this is SLOW, for the flash and supes) ,Clark will eb able to be a million miles away before bart blinks(this is if bart doesn't get faster as time goes on..but, this is SV, so anything's possible)

[Sunny8]

I think Clark's skills are increasingly becoming more refined as he gets older. He probably thought Jimmy had actually caught a photo of him because he was preparing himself for what he was about to see when Jimmy was getting ready to show it to him. He probably had no idea what he looked like speeding.

Also, I don't think Clark was able to save Lois and protect himself from Jimmy's camera at the same time or else he would have shielded himself from having his picture taken.

[Tacitus]

Exactly. Being hit by a Boeing 747 at its highest speed would not be pleasant. Since Supes is even faster than a 474, his effect would be much worse (even though his mass is lower). Even slowing down a bit wouldn´t help: he has to slow down to normal human walking speed if he doesn´t want to hurt the people he saves. (But that would mean that he could be photographed.) Just remember that you can get hurt badly already in a car accident with 30mph. Moving people out of the way of a speeding bullet with a speed faster than a speeding bullet is just as fatal as the bullet.

Another relativistic problem: If Supes were to fly with the speed of light, his mass would become infinite. Hence it would require infinite energy for him to move forward. The entire energy of the universe would not suffice to do this...

His aura utilizes all of the negative effects on humans or various objects such as buildings, cars etc, that's why he doesn't shred people and objects to pieces when he touches them in super speed. But don't try and make sense out of it using real world physics, it wont make sense. Same goes for the Clark stops time argument. If time stops, then photons stop as well, meaning no light bounces off of objects, meaning Clark sees blackness. It would be impossible for him to see or hear anything. Besides, Clark doesn't have a time manipulation power. Its just a special effect that allows the viewer to see what Clark does in superspeed. It doesn't mean that time stops for him or that its slowed down for him, its slowed down for us because with our eyes capped at 25 fps, we cant see all that fast movement, so they slow it down for us. Kind of like the Timewarp series on the Discovery Channel, they shoot with high speed cameras (30.000 fps) and then play it with a 25 fps rate (30.000 divided by 25 = 1200 times slower) to reveal to us what really happens when you take a punch from someone, or when a bullet hits a metal plate or a balloon filled with water explodes etc. Clark's eyes behave like a high speed camera, that's why he doesn't bump into people and objects when he moves at superspeed, that's why he can see other people who move with superspeed. I'm not a physics major like some of you here, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt time a dimension just like x,y,z? If one can stop time, does it mean that one can stop x or y or z and see the world in two dimensions, or better yet, in one dimension? Wouldn't that be like ... errr ... I don't know, ridiculous? Even for a sci-fi show? If so, then why are you even entertaining such a possibility when clearly this explanation doesn't and can't provide a satisfactory answer to the problem? I mean if you want to answer it applying real world physics, otherwise we can all just say its a comic book or a sci-fi show where anything goes.

[Lex Dance]

^^^ Do you only turn up for Smallville vs the laws of physics threads nowadays? Long time no post buddy!
Just saw this episode last week but got the feeling that Clark being papped was like one of those moments from Hammer Horror films where the victim has literally seconds of time to avoid impending doom but just ends up standing stock still! :lol:
For me, if Clark-as-a-blur has been caught on camera in S1 (forgotten the episode where Lex watches him on a security camera), and in Cyborg - plus Bart in Justice - it doesn't surprise me that he got caught in Identity.

[KarenKent]

I feel like I'm stuck on an online class sometimes ... lol ... anyway great points everyone/ It seems like SV writers need to hire physics experts for these kind of episodes or they'll never get a break from you guys lol

[tippership commander]

Wow, this was two years ago?

-Episode Solitude was when The Series established , courtesy of Lionel Luthor at the time, that ya- clark can move at the speed of light.

Which chalks this one up to Clark simply not bothering to move that fast during this episode, which would make sense remembering him seeing the camera flash come towards him(and of course he was there like a deer and didnt speed up and stood there and let it hit and reflect off of him, lol)