Evil Chloe: Did you see the twist of the Brainiac reveal coming?

[morrigan01]

I think that is exactly what happened. We know she's been losing time since Toxic, and most have noted that her Brainiac-ness gets stronger when ever she's around machines.

Huh? Refresh my memory - when was it said that Chloe's been losing time? The only person I remember saying they were losing time is Davis.

[tariksam]

When Chloe was walking in the hallway, I think that was Chloe regaining consciousness
So being Chloe like Chloe is and she was Chloe in the hallway as you suggest why she didn't stop and "what the hell I am doing here" she kept walking...she didn't even turn around to see what all the fuzz was about. I saw more like conflict than snapping from a control...usually those are more obvious, shaking the head and blinking rapidly

[myankskent]

I think the power is corrupting Chloe. It was still Chloe. There was no motive for Braniac and he isn't controlling her yet. All her actions in this ep were her own. I think she's thinking more like a computer than a human being, and she reasoned it out that the guy needed to be eliminated to protect Clark. Just like her decision to let the paper go with the photo. She made the decision like a computer, and not like Clark's best friend, and since she knows she put him under duress, she wants to protect him from anything further since the Jimmy thing got out of hand.


ITA. I think that Chloe's big mistake this season was when she continually refused to listen to Clark's warning about Brainiac and the powers that she now has. That was the key to this whole thing. She continued to use them while not thinking about what it could do to her and now they are corrupting her. It's very similar to what happened to Lana in "Wrath", but with Chloe, the end result will be Brainiac taking over her body.

[tariksam]

Huh? Refresh my memory - when was it said that Chloe's been losing time? The only person I remember saying they were losing time is Davis.

Bingo!! Chloe hasn't say anything about loosing time or memories that means she would be aware of something were happening to her if she was doing things that she has no control about it yet she remembers cause she hasn't lose time or memories.

I explain better, you are not having Black holes in your memories, therefore you remember EVERY action you have made.

BUT, if you remember everything you would be aware of doing a thing you didn't want to do and yet you are doing it....you remember that someone else is controlling you. Shouldn't she have told this to Clark?

She definetly knows what she is doing

[Chiriru]

Refresh my memory

Toxic's end scene actually with Davis, and the doors; it's not as explicit as Davis' whole "I've had black outs my whole life" but it's a steady build. First she forgets about the doors after going Brainiacy to save Ollie; then in the next ep after she sees the crystal, it goes missing and Tess gets emails from X; now we're at the point Brainiac's powers are growing and she's doing things that Chloe wouldn't do as per Wrath.

It's a big lead up to Clark's crystal sending him to the FOS which is what Brainiac did in Vessel, her memory wipe in Abyss where Brainiac is deleting her memories, his take over in Bride, and Brainiac running around unopposed in Legion.. In fact I think a large part of the previously was for people to put that Chloiac has/had the crystal together before this last four ep arc before sweeps.

Brainiac's little speech actually cleared a lot up. Brains are like hard drives, there is only so much room. For Brainiac's powers to grow, that says to me he has to be taking up more room inside her head. So at first she doesn't remember little things, like closing doors (he needs space), and can do what it takes to make sure his Vessel lives (Committed), but eventually when he's strong enough he should wipe the hard drive that is Chloe and her personality and her memories, and go on a spree. Which is exactly what I think the whole "Now Faster than Isis" was clarifying. YMMV.


I think that Chloe's big mistake this season was when she continually refused to listen to Clark's warning about Brainiac and the powers that she now has. That was the key to this whole thing.

Oh totally. They both let it escalate to a huge mess factor.

[dixiepixie]

The next morning and I'm still blown away by Chloiac in the last scene.

I know there was other stuff that happened in the episode (I remember Jimmy and Clark were in it), but really Identity will stand out for the last two minutes.


I know what you mean. I'm still thinking about it. What a shocker! I didn't think Chloe had it in her...lol...

[Iluvgreen]

I didn't think she was going to kill anyone. :(

[Jory]

Toxic's end scene actually with Davis, and the doors; it's not as explicit as Davis' whole "I've had black outs my whole life" but it's a steady build. First she forgets about the doors after going Brainiacy to save Ollie; then in the next ep after she sees the crystal, it goes missing and Tess gets emails from X; now we're at the point Brainiac's powers are growing and she's doing things that Chloe wouldn't do as per Wrath.

It's a big lead up to Clark's crystal sending him to the FOS which is what Brainiac did in Vessel, her memory wipe in Abyss where Brainiac is deleting her memories, his take over in Bride, and Brainiac running around unopposed in Legion.. In fact I think a large part of the previously was for people to put that Chloiac has/had the crystal together before this last four ep arc before sweeps.

Brainiac's little speech actually cleared a lot up. Brains are like hard drives, there is only so much room. For Brainiac's powers to grow, that says to me he has to be taking up more room inside her head. So at first she doesn't remember little things, like closing doors (he needs space), and can do what it takes to make sure his Vessel lives (Committed), but eventually when he's strong enough he should wipe the hard drive that is Chloe and her personality and her memories, and go on a spree. Which is exactly what I think the whole "Now Faster than Isis" was clarifying. YMMV.



Oh totally. They both let it escalate to a huge mess factor.



The "Previously on" was a giant red flag to the viewers that Brainiac was taking over Chloe, and that he had the crystal. Incidently, Allison Mack did the voice over for the "Previously on Smallville."

I agree with you and Chris(sorry, I don't remeber the numbers after your name. Hope you don't mind). I think it's clear that Chloe's been losing time, and acts unChloe like whenever she's near computers etc.

I never thought that about Brainiac downloading info into Sebastian to clear out some room in Chloe's brain, but you make a great point. I don't think Brainiac killed Sebastian/Wilson to protect Clark, it was to protect Brainiac. Chloe's brain was becoming cluttered, so he needed to use someone else's brain to make some room, plus Brainiac needs Clark for some purpose. I missed the Brainiac symbols in Sebastian/Wilson's eyes, but caught them on a rewatch. It was defineately Brainiac, imo.

[Kevin24]

How did Chloe even know that he knew Clark's secret? I don't remember anybody telling her about the guys powers or Clark telling her that he saw him using his powers.

It all happened in the same night so it's not like she went the next day or anything

[AgentChaos]

How did Chloe even know that he knew Clark's secret? I don't remember anybody telling her about the guys powers or Clark telling her that he saw him using his powers.

Chloe didn't know for sure that he knew about Clark, but she did know about his ability, so she guessed that he might have figured it out.

[Kevin24]

What if she was actually talking about someone else and not Clark? She never specifically said it was Clark but that it was a him.

I think it was Clark but it's something to consider if she was perhaps talking about someone else.

As we all know if it was Brainiac that killed the guy why would he do it? Would Brainiac really want to protect Clark's secret?

How about the others who think it was Chloe ? Then it would make sense that she was talking about Clark but if it was Brainiac then perhaps he was talking about someone else.

[susangail]

I think there's still enough of Chloe left -- her loyalty to Clark supercedes everything else.

[Eurynome]

I was shocked that Chloe could do something so cold and calculated. I knew that Brainaic was infecting her, but she was in control the whole time. I think that Brainiac is definately influencing her judgement because last season in Wraith, Chloe reprimanded Lana for being willing to kill for Clark. Yet it wasn't really Clark she was protecting: Sebastian never touched Clark; he touched Oliver. Or rather, Oliver touched him with the flying kick. I love the direction they're taking Chloe's character!

[All about Clark]

Um, Sebastian was Lois' date and when Clark saved her, he grabbed the guy's gun hand.

[Billy Jor-El]

The purr kitten has claws :D I loved it!!!!!

[ms.c.]

I was shocked that Chloe could do something so cold and calculated. I knew that Brainaic was infecting her, but she was in control the whole time.

Chloe is not cold. That was Brainiac the whole time.

[Be With You]

Perhaps its a combination of Braniac's influence and Chloe's gut protectiveness over Clark?

[zHeN_zHeN]

It was Chloe. Yeah, definitely Chloe. Or, maybe it was Brainiac. No, wait... it had to be Chloe with just a sprinkle of Brainiac in there too. Uhm, at least I think it might be. Err.. :confused:

Well, anywho...

I like how Chloe's finally embracing her inner "Mean Girl". It works for her. She's awesome bad. :D

[smallviluva]

A little scary I thought.......She kinda looked like she knew what she was doing, but weirded out afterwards......

yea! i was so shocked! i was like, nooooo, i dont want chloe going bad! she knew what she was doing, but she look confused afterwards. im worried... chloe has never killed :(

[ginnyfan]

I think maybe Chloiac has the crystal, and since it is Clark's crystal, he has to be the one to use it. And, I see this as an explanation of why Brainiac would want to help Clark. He still needs Clark. Also would explain why Choiac might not want to be cured of her Brainiac infection.

Hmm... if Chloiac has the crystal. What's she waiting for. Why not present it to Clark and get to work. Clark would completely trust Chloe and do whatever she asks to "save her".

But this does put another spin on why she had the gloves on. Maybe it was to guard Sebastian from figuring out that she has the crystal.

What is Chloe uploading onto the Isis computers that makes them shut down? What is she DOING? Looking for the fortress crystal maybe?

[kanetaker5566]

As soon as the guy woke up and we saw chloe I said what is she doing there, But as soon as she started talking I said Chloe is a murder. When she took the gloves off I thought the probes where going to come shooting out. I did hear the nurse say he was having a stroke so i'm sure they could resesitate him and put him on life support but its easier to say he is dead then they don't have to bring him back in a later episode.

[unex||den||adel]

yea! i was so shocked! i was like, nooooo, i dont want chloe going bad! she knew what she was doing, but she look confused afterwards. im worried... chloe has never killed :(
i dont know if this is consider 'killing'<--- remember the epi s5, the guy want to blow up smallvile with rocket bomb, whts his name..? Gabriel..? i think she shot him, n he died.
But we can see that as a self defense murder..

[KoopaBowserSSBM]

I figured the Brainiac side would eventually take over.

[xrayvision]

ITA. I think that Chloe's big mistake this season was when she continually refused to listen to Clark's warning about Brainiac and the powers that she now has. That was the key to this whole thing. She continued to use them while not thinking about what it could do to her and now they are corrupting her. It's very similar to what happened to Lana in "Wrath", but with Chloe, the end result will be Brainiac taking over her body.

This is very similar to what is happening with Sam Winchester in Supernatural. The angel who brought Dean back from Hell (Castiel) told him that his brother is heading down a very dark path and that Sam either has to stop using his powers (based on the demon's blood in his body) or that he (Castiel) will stop Sam one way or the other. Dean confronted Sam about this shortly after seeing him use the powers to kill demons and just this past Thursday, Sam used it to kill Samhain. Many posters have theorized that Dean & Sam will end up on opposite sides at the end of the show (Dean will remain good while Sam will become evil). I wonder if the same could be true of Clark & Chloe. Maybe Chloe will end up leading Lex's/Tess' legion of freaks. That would be very interesting.

[lovinredkclark]

question?
last season wasn't there a discussion at ISIS between chloe and lana. lana was stating that she would DO ANYTHING to protect clark and chloe that was clark the lucky guy, he had a girl who would kill for him?

someone correct me if i'm wrong or if i misundetstood that scene.

so as for chlainiac killing this wilson guy, didn't she just do exactly what she was warning lana about.

- not sure i just made much sense, hope someone understands me-

[hanemg]

ITA. I think that Chloe's big mistake this season was when she continually refused to listen to Clark's warning about Brainiac and the powers that she now has. That was the key to this whole thing. She continued to use them while not thinking about what it could do to her and now they are corrupting her. It's very similar to what happened to Lana in "Wrath", but with Chloe, the end result will be Brainiac taking over her body.

It's also reminiscent of Chloe being corrupted when she gained powers back in "Truth".

[friendofclark]

I haven't read every single page of this thread so I'm not sure if anyone's thought of this yet, but after watching this episode a second time, I had an interesting thought. I'm not sure chole or brainiac actually DID anything - I think she simply ALLOWED him to use his abilities on her and that his reading her mind was too much for him to handle. Does this make sense? In other words, she didn't ACTIVELY kill him, his ability did. Granted, she knew that touching him would overload his mind, and although it's a fine line here, she could say that she didn't actually kill him, he just used his ability on her and it backfired. So she has an "out" here that she can use to explain what happened without it sounding like murder.

Also - even if it WAS brainiac, to answer the question "Why would brainiac kill someone to protect Clark's secret?" To convince Chloe that letting him out isn't always a bad thing - he can do what she wants, if she let's him do what he wants. Sort of an "I'll scratch you're back if you'll scratch mine" situation.

Anyway, Just my 2 cents. This was a brilliant episode! :)

[Diego*Chloe]

I haven't read every single page of this thread so I'm not sure if anyone's thought of this yet, but after watching this episode a second time, I had an interesting thought. I'm not sure chole or brainiac actually DID anything - I think she simply ALLOWED him to use his abilities on her and that his reading her mind was too much for him to handle. Does this make sense? In other words, she didn't ACTIVELY kill him, his ability did. Granted, she knew that touching him would overload his mind, and although it's a fine line here, she could say that she didn't actually kill him, he just used his ability on her and it backfired. So she has an "out" here that she can use to explain what happened without it sounding like murder.

Also - even if it WAS brainiac, to answer the question "Why would brainiac kill someone to protect Clark's secret?" To convince Chloe that letting him out isn't always a bad thing - he can do what she wants, if she let's him do what he wants. Sort of an "I'll scratch you're back if you'll scratch mine" situation.

Anyway, Just my 2 cents. This was a brilliant episode! :)


Yeah it was his own power that kill him...Chloe was just giving him, her hand :rolleyes:

[Clarks Blue Eyed Angel]

Um, a code blue means that your heart has stopped beating. That guy died.

Um... he was in a hospital. People's hearts stop there all the time. It's not like they aren't equipped to deal with that. There's a very good chance that they were able to save him.

I've seen a lot of people in this thread overlook that fact. :confused:

[Sv.LoisLane]

Wow... I can't believe Chloe is about to get out of this as saint again. Brainiac or no Brainiac she killed. And I doubt the nurses saved the guy. She fried his brain! How do you save a fried brain?
The heart beats as long as the brain 'orders' it. Once the brain is dead, the heart is dead.

Yet, (I can't believe I'm defending Lana now :lol:) when Lana killed Genevieve it was all her fault.

[Dustmite]

Brainiac or no Brainiac she killed.

No she didn't.

[Sv.LoisLane]

No she didn't.

Uhm... how's that? :confused:

[pink_ninja]

I was shocked!That's all i can say.

[Sweetie]

Wow!The ending scene was awesome.Evil Chloe was terrifying!!!

[Krypton935]

That was crazy!! I can't believe Chloe killed!! I mean of course she would kill for clark but seeing it! ahhhh that was crazy!

[blackcelebration]

question?
last season wasn't there a discussion at ISIS between chloe and lana. lana was stating that she would DO ANYTHING to protect clark and chloe that was clark the lucky guy, he had a girl who would kill for him?

someone correct me if i'm wrong or if i misundetstood that scene.

so as for chlainiac killing this wilson guy, didn't she just do exactly what she was warning lana about.

- not sure i just made much sense, hope someone understands me-

That was Lionel who said it to Lana near the end of Season 6.;)

As for the Chloe and Lana discussion in Wrath, Chloe said that she wouldn't allow Lana to hurt Clark.

[unex||den||adel]

That was crazy!! I can't believe Chloe killed!! I mean of course she would kill for clark but seeing it! ahhhh that was crazy!

first of many...

[RedKRules]

I don´t believe Chloe would ever kill anyone, not even for Clark ( he is not that special, since he should have been using a disguise by now if he wants to play the hero, he wants to get caught, he has been asking for it)....... but it doesn´t matter because Chloe is still my favorite character .. will always be!

[CoteW]

Loved loved loved Evil Chole i want 2 see her fight Clark

[Welling_is_pretty]

I knew that we'd get something like this eventually (been waiting for the "other shoe" to drop, as it were) but the timing did surprise me.

[go_clo]

Loved loved loved Evil Chole i want 2 see her fight Clark
:lol: That would be fun to see!


I knew that we'd get something like this eventually (been waiting for the "other shoe" to drop, as it were) but the timing did surprise me.
Agreed. I knew something like this would happen but I had no idea it would be starting so soon! There was no spoilers on it at all! I didn't think it would start till Abyss! :eek:

[kah bell]

I think it was Chloe learning to use Brainiac's powers. But it seemed like it wasn't Brainiac doing it. It was Chloe. She is totally in control, but the more she uses it, the more she's gonna wind up getting just a tad more powerhungry.

But I think she was doing this one for Clark. She knows how dangerous it would be if his secret got out, so she did it to protect him, but it had to be all her. I don't think Brainiac would have protected Clark so easily.

This was all Chloe, and she'd kill for Clark. Be honest - we all know that. She lives for Clark . . . until she tries to kill him. Sad about the all black outfit. So foreshadowing her move to the dark side .......

[One-Winged-Angel]

Neither! why are we even mentioning brainiac at all? This was just a clever way to solve his memory issue. Thats all.

[bychance]

^Same here.


That was WOW!!!!

And I do believe Chloe knew what she was doing? She seemed weird-out afterwards. Brainiac would not be weird-out.

I think AM did a very good acting job with the expression on her face afterward. I think she looked as if it was something she had to do and was trying to wrap her mind around what she had just done.

[oldblackmagick]

Neither! why are we even mentioning brainiac at all? This was just a clever way to solve his memory issue. Thats all.

well they could have said after the fall he had short term memory loss or something:p they didn't have to go and have Chloe off him but it was awesome none the less

[faz]

I saw it coming, but I didn't see it coming so soon, so I voted no on that. Awesome scene though, I really like where this is heading.

[lovinredkclark]

That was Lionel who said it to Lana near the end of Season 6.;)

As for the Chloe and Lana discussion in Wrath, Chloe said that she wouldn't allow Lana to hurt Clark.

thanks for clearing that up for me.
cheers:)

[oqllcksmallville]

.. Chloe knew she was killing him ,
she did it to protect Clark .
- she took the bad way for doing it ;
and yes that has something to do with Brainiac .
it's an interesting change , overall .

[Humdinger]

Whether it was her, or the influence of Brainiac, I was surprised - though I'm not sure I liked the turn of events since I'm a Chloe fan.

[doomsdaytitan]

i didnt expect that paticular thing to happen but i had a feeling brainiac had done something to her. it was kind of foreshadowed in the episode Clark found out about her super intelligence.

[mamma long arms]

so, it was totally all chloe and not Brainiac?