Davis: "Jimmy?" Chloe: "No"

[mistaguitarmasta]

Was this Chloe admitting some lingering feelings for Clark? I was sorta hoping this book was closed, especially after "Committed". I believed Chloe when she told Jimmy she only cared for him, esp since she had the lie detector to back her up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a shipper in any way. I was just hoping the Clark-pining would end because I've been loving the new, more independent Chloe this season. Allison is having a great year.

[Clana4Life]

No, I don't think she has lingering feelings for Clark. If anything she's starting to have feelings for Davis. I think she was just recalling the feelings she had for Clark and how easy it was. I think the danger for her is falling for Davis because it's becoming so easy to do so. I think the book is closed for Chlark and that was pretty much confirmed with the lie detector test, but it was confirmed for me way back when.

[Kalista]

Because I am too lazy to retype this, I'll just quote myself from another thread.

Quote from the episode:



Chloe: ...besides, everything with you is so...

Davis: ...so easy

Chloe: Yeah, easy.

Davis: Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?

Chloe: Once.

Davis: With Jimmy?

Chloe: No.

She told Davis that things were easy with him and Davis asked her if she ever felt that way with anyone before. IOW, Davis was asking her if she ever felt that way with someone else before she met him. So, she could not have been referring to Davis. One could argue that she was referring to the brief time she spent with Davis when they first met, but I doubt that. I think she was talking about Clark.

Actually, Chloe hasn't been pining for Clark since season 2.

[curiosity]

She meant Clark and that was strange because of the lie detector test where she said she was only in love with Jimmy.

On the other hand, friendships are much easier than serious relationships. So Davis and Clark are going to seem easier, she never dated either one of them.

[LuthorKent90]

I don't see why they had to bring that up at all. Especially after all that was said in Committed.
I wish they would stop with the back and forth, Chloe and Jimmy are not Clark and Lana!

[mistaguitarmasta]

No, I don't think she has lingering feelings for Clark. If anything she's starting to have feelings for Davis. I think she was just recalling the feelings she had for Clark and how easy it was. I think the danger for her is falling for Davis because it's becoming so easy to do so. I think the book is closed for Chlark and that was pretty much confirmed with the lie detector test, but it was confirmed for me way back when.

That's exactly what I'm thinking, and I hope thats the case, but I wanted to see how everyone else was interpreting it. Anybody think we'll see some explanation of this anytime soon? (In previous seasons I wouldn't think so, but now with PS3, it's at least a possibility)

[Kalista]

Perhaps the discussion in this thread will interest you.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105317&page=2

I think Chloe's comment coupled with Clark's fear of her trusting someone else over him, was the setup for the conflict between Clark, Davis, and Chloe. There will definetely be a triangle with those three. I don't think it will be a typical angsty love triangle though. Chloe removed Jimmy from the equation when she admitted that there was only one other person that she felt as comfortable with.

[dru-zod2501]

i firmly believe this was Clark she was talking about

[Serynarpc]

Back and forth back and forth... its almost as bad as the Clana train. Just when the Chlarker in me admits that it isn't ever going to happen, Chloe gets that wistful look in her eye. Grr Arrgh!

Although Chloe being committed enough to back off of her hot friend tells the story - she's Jimmy's girl, through and through. Even if Doomsday is so much yummier.

[Sweetie]

She was defenetly talking in past tense "once" was in love don't mean now.Davis is a bigger threath for Jimmy than Clark.She is develloping a dangerous obssession for him.

[Ayanne]

Chloe is in love with Clark, she always has been. I never bought the garbage saying otherwise from Committed. She's infected with Brainiac, which totally has the capacity to influence Chloe's actions & words.

It's Clark.

[tariksam]

I agree that it was about Clark and that it was in past tense which sucks actually that Chloe is now feeling for Davis a feeling that once had for Clark :P

Needless to say I feel sorry for Jimmy marrying this woman...

[Kalista]

She was defenetly talking in past tense "once" was in love don't mean now.Davis is a bigger threath for Jimmy than Clark.She is develloping a dangerous obssession for him.

At this point, Davis doesn't view Jimmy as competition. He's been questioning their relationship since Toxic. So, when Chloe admitted that their relationship lacked emotional intimacy, he attempted to make a move by telling her how he felt. Jimmy is a non-issue to Davis.

[meteor]

It was about Clark in the past, and if that is what she is starting to feel now with Davis, then obviously Jimmy is in trouble.

[Inkpen23]

She was defenetly talking in past tense "once" was in love don't mean now.Davis is a bigger threath for Jimmy than Clark.She is develloping a dangerous obssession for him.

I don't think it was a matter of past tense. She said she felt that way once meaning I felt that way *one time only with ONE other person* not that her feelings for that particular person are in the past. If you look at the context of the question and the conversation between Chloe and Davis, Davis didn't ask Chloe have you ever felt this way before? That wasn't the question! He asked her have you ever felt that way with anyone before? And she said once meaning she felt that way one time before with ONE PERSON. So essentially Davis was asking her how many other people have you felt this connection with? And we get the confirmation that they were talking about the number of persons Chloe has had this connection with when Davis ask her was that one person Jimmy? In which she says no.

If they were talking about someone she had past feelings for (that she is supposedly now over) then why did Davis assume she was talking about Jimmy? She is about to marry Jimmy, so it really doesn't make any sense for them to be referring to someone she had past feelings for in the past. They were talking about someone she has feelings for in the present. One would assume, as Davis did, that she would have those same feelings and connection she feels with Davis with Jimmy, since she is about to marry Jimmy. And those feelings would not be something of the past. They would be of the present with Jimmy. So, yeah they are talking about someone she has feelings for in the present but she only felt that way once meaning *one time only with one other person* in her past.

[tariksam]

Is this the part that we forget what happen in the episode before this one and pretend that this is the only episode from season 8?

Cause I am pretty sure it was more than clear Chloe is not in love with Clark anymore, therefore she is talking in past tense here.

And of course Davis would assume she was talking about Jimmy, for all he knows Jimmy is the only guy Chloe has been in love with, Davis doesn't know that Chloe was part of the "I love Clark" Club

[vikingjedi]

I don't think it was a matter of past tense. She said she felt that way once meaning I felt that way *one time only with ONE other person* not that her feelings for that particular person are in the past. If you look at the context of the question and the conversation between Chloe and Davis, Davis didn't ask Chloe have you ever felt this way before? That wasn't the question! He asked her have you ever felt that way with anyone before? And she said once meaning she felt that way one time before with ONE PERSON. So essentially Davis was asking her how many other people have you felt this connection with? And we get the confirmation that they were talking about the number of persons Chloe has had this connection with when Davis ask her was that one person Jimmy? In which she says no.

If they were talking about someone she had past feelings for (that she is supposedly now over) then why did Davis assume she was talking about Jimmy? She is about to marry Jimmy, so it really doesn't make any sense for them to be referring to someone she had past feelings for in the past. They were talking about someone she has feelings for in the present. One would assume, as Davis did, that she would have those same feelings and connection she feels with Davis with Jimmy, since she is about to marry Jimmy. And those feelings would not be something of the past. They would be of the present with Jimmy. So, yeah they are talking about someone she has feelings for in the present but she only felt that way once meaning *one time only with one other person* in her past.

Awesome post. That makes a lot of sense.

[Kalista]

If they were talking about someone she had past feelings for (that she is supposedly now over) then why did Davis assume she was talking about Jimmy? She is about to marry Jimmy, so it really doesn't make any sense for them to be referring to someone she had past feelings for in the past. They were talking about someone she has feelings for in the present. One would assume, as Davis did, that she would have those same feelings and connection she feels with Davis with Jimmy, since she is about to marry Jimmy. And those feelings would not be something of the past. They would be of the present with Jimmy. So, yeah they are talking about someone she has feelings for in the present but she only felt that way once meaning *one time only with one other person* in her past.

Exactly. This would have been a good opportunity to cement the surface nonsense from Committed, that Chloe and Jimmy are a solid couple. She could have responded, that she felt that with Jimmy. Yet, once again, the security of the relationship is being questioned.

[celita]

In my opinion this is Brian and Kelly's way to say us that Chloe is developing an unhealthy relationship with Davis just as she used to have with Clark, you know:

- Blind trust.
- Leaving her own life appart for being with the guy.
- Damaging her relationship with her couple and friends to support this guy.
- Doing grey things for him.

She grew up fromClark because she wanted to be happy with Jimmy, but now she is making the same mistake with Davis, and she'll pay it, poor thing, you put your trust in the wrong person this time.

[Inkpen23]

Cause I am pretty sure it was more than clear Chloe is not in love with Clark anymore, therefore she is talking in past tense here.



I propose the question to you again. If they were talking about someone she had past feelings for in the past then why did Davis assume she was talking about Jimmy? Answer the question. One would assume that they were talking about someone she has feelings for in the present since she is about to marry Jimmy.

[tariksam]

The key word is past. The fact that Chloe felt for Clark this way before (and again feeling the same for Davis now) doesn't mean she is feeling that NOW.

She will obviously never have the same connection with Jimmy, my bet is that he thinks is Jimmy cause its not love yet, its attraction so he would assume she had the same connection of attraction with Jimmy at the beginning before falling in love.

[Ayanne]

I propose the question to you again. If they were talking about someone she had past feelings for in the past then why did Davis assume she was talking about Jimmy? Answer the question. One would assume that they were talking about someone she has feelings for in the present since she is about to marry Jimmy.

Exactly. Furthermore, her response of "Once" was not a timeframe, but that she has only ever shared this type of "bond" one time ever. With Clark.

[meteor]

Does anyone have the exact dialogue of the exchange?

[Kalista]

Does anyone have the exact dialogue of the exchange?

Here it is.


Chloe: ...besides, everything with you is so...

Davis: ...so easy

Chloe: Yeah, easy.

Davis: Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?

Chloe: Once.

Davis: With Jimmy?

Chloe: No.

[tariksam]

Davis: Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?

Chloe: Once.

Davis: With Jimmy?

Chloe: No.
Aha better, that before doesn't mean PAST for Davis.

There was not other way to word that question

[Ayanne]

Here it is.

Thanks Kalista! There you go. She isn't talking about "past tense" ~ Chloe currently has that type of emotional bond with Clark, not Jimmy. And she's only felt it ONE time before.

[celita]

Chloe is in love with Clark, she always has been. I never bought the garbage saying otherwise from Committed. She's infected with Brainiac, which totally has the capacity to influence Chloe's actions & words.

It's Clark.

So, Braniac is able to influence Chloe's actions, but he used that to help Chimmy's weeding?

Let's see,what would be more important to Braniac?:

1- Chloe married with unpowered just human Jimmy Olsen.
2- Or Chloe close to the guy able of killing Kal El?, making him put his trust in "infected and controled Chloe", which would mean, having doomsday trusting Braniac.

If Braniac influenced Chloe's actions already, it would be to make her close to Davis,not to get her married with Jimmy. Unless Braniac is gay and Jimmy is his tipe of course.

[Kalista]

Thanks Kalista! There you go. She isn't talking about "past tense" ~ Chloe currently has that type of emotional bond with Clark, not Jimmy. And she's only felt it ONE time before.

That doesn't bode well for Chimmy.

[tariksam]

No the funny thing is that when Chloe does something convenient for some Its 100% her, when she doesn't' it Brianiac...so Brianiac comes and goes however the situation its or not convenient for Chlark

[Inkpen23]

The key word is past. The fact that Chloe felt for Clark this way before (and again feeling the same for Davis now) doesn't mean she is feeling that NOW.

She will obviously never have the same connection with Jimmy, my bet is that he thinks is Jimmy cause its not love yet, its attraction so he would assume she had the same connection of attraction with Jimmy at the beginning before falling in love.

Well, I see you're not going to answer my question huh? :) I guess you don't have an answer because what you wrote here isn't an answer the to the question.

And no the keyword is not past. It's once, and in which the context it was used it did not mean past tense. It meant one.

She should have the connection/attraction to Jimmy because she is getting married to Jimmy and she should already be in love with Jimmy. Davis assume she would have this connection with Jimmy because she is about to marry Jimmy not because the connection/attraction she has with Davis. Your answer doesn't answer the question and I can already see you don't have an answer to the question.

Well, the question is still out there if anyone wants to answer it. ;)

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Exactly. Furthermore, her response of "Once" was not a timeframe, but that she has only ever shared this type of "bond" one time ever. With Clark.

That's the point! :)

[celita]

But Chloe doesn't have with Jimmy an unhealty obsesion like she used to have with Clark and like she is starting to have with Davis, what she feels for Jimmy is just love (and in Smallville obsesion is stronger than love like Lex said in "wrath"),so what Chloe feels for Jimmy is not like she feels for Davis or felt for Clark at all. I actually don't see how are some of you glad with this, Chloe is getting obsessed with a murderer.

[tariksam]

Isn't the answer you are hoping for. So I won't enter in a discussion with you about that, if you chose to ignore the answers that don't support your position then we are in a moo point here.

My position:

Davis: Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?

Tell me other way to word this question, of COURSE is BEFORE, is not like "Do you feel this with other person RIGHT NOW?"

Of course Davis will think and assume is Jimmy, this before is not PAST.

Chloe in the other hand talks in past "once"

And I repeat really creepy that Chloe is feeling the same that she felt once for Clark now with Davis....that wouldn't make look ANY shipper good and "unique"

So Chloe:

Had a feeling for Clark that now is the EXACT conection she is having for Davis ant the same time she is in love and marrying Jimmy? dude Lana is a freaking saint now compared with Chloe

[meteor]

Thanks Kalista. here's my take then.

going by the verb tense being used, Davis is asking Chloe if she has ever felt this "easiness" that Chloe feels with him 'before"...so in other words, at any point from the beginning of her romantic life until now. she replies yes...now obviously Davis at first asks if it's Jimmy, because Chloe is marrying Jimmy, so that is an obvious assumption.

she replies no...and i do agree she was no doubt referring to Clark. now Chloe has repeatedly told us she is not in love with Clark any more, and this was confirmed last week by a polygraph test. there's nothing yet to support the Brainiac beat the lie detector theory..they would have done as they always do if they wanted to point us to draw that conclusion..such as showing the hanging cross at the end of the episode to be clear that it was Davis who killed those people. they would have done something like show some close up of Chloe's eye with some math equations or something like that..lol..if they wanted us to believe it was Brainiac scheming against the polygraph. they didn't, so unless they tell the audience in the future that it was Brainiac, IMO that's only a shipping theory, not fact on the show; the fact is Chloe beat the polygraph.

so at this point, to me she was talking about her feelings for Clark, which have been shown to be in the past. it doesn't mean she doesn't love Jimmy ..that is not the question Davis asked. it just means it's different than it was with Clark which is obvious, because it has been anything but "easy" with Jimmy. the other thing about this is, IMO this exchange demonstrated what she is now beginning to feel for Davis..to me that was the point. she is falling for Davis, not Clark.

regardless of everyone's opinions though, the good news is it will all be sorted out in the next 15 episodes.:)

[Kalista]

But Chloe doesn't have with Jimmy an unhealty obsesion like she used to have with Clark and like she is starting to have with Davis, what she feels for Jimmy is just love (and in Smallville obsesion is stronger than love like Lex said in "wrath"),so what Chloe feels for Jimmy is not like she feels for Davis or felt for Clark at all. I actually don't see how are some of you glad with this, Chloe is getting obsessed with a murderer.


If Chloe is obsessed with Clark, then how would you describe Clark?

He sat at her bedside for 18 hours listening for her heartbeat and his world spun out of control in Bizarro when he thought she died.

The writers have never described Chloe as being obsessed with Clark. She has always been described as loving him.

Also, AM revealed that the attraction between Chloe and Davis is a result of the fact that they both have something Kryptonian within themselves. So it's an unnatural attraction. It seems that important detail is being ignored.

She loves Jimmy but she is not in love with him and there are emotional barriers in the relationship. That's not the foundation for a successful relationship.

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going by the verb tense being used, Davis is asking Chloe if she has ever felt this "easiness" that Chloe feels with him 'before"...so in other words, at any point from the beginning of her romantic life until now. she replies yes...now obviously Davis at first asks if it's Jimmy, because Chloe is marrying Jimmy, so that is an obvious assumption.

That would have made sense if we were suppose to believe that Chimmy is the real deal.


now Chloe has repeatedly told us she is not in love with Clark any more, and this was confirmed last week by a polygraph test.

:lol: I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at the premise of using a lie detector to convince the audience that Chloe is over Clark and essentially ripping that notion to shreds with this conversation in Prey.



the fact is Chloe beat the polygraph.

She beat the polygraph because she told the truth. She is only in love with one person.


it doesn't mean she doesn't love Jimmy

I agree that she loves Jimmy but she is not in love with him. Her revelation to Davis pretty much confirms that.


she is falling for Davis, not Clark.

That is a direct result of Brainiac.


regardless of everyone's opinions though, the good news is it will all be sorted out in the next 15 episodes.:)

True.

[Inkpen23]

But Chloe doesn't have with Jimmy an unhealty obsesion like she used to have with Clark and like she is starting to have with Davis, what she feels for Jimmy is just love (and in Smallville obsesion is stronger than love like Lex said in "wrath"),so what Chloe feels for Jimmy is not like she feels for Davis or felt for Clark at all. I actually don't see how are some of you glad with this, Chloe is getting obsessed with a murderer.

Yeah, she's really obsessed with Davis. The same guy she doesn't want to see for while. Yeah, that's a clear indication that she's obsessed with him. :lol: And so according to you Chloe never really loved Clark? Really? I think your wrong about that.

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Isn't the answer you are hoping for. So I won't enter in a discussion with you about that, if you chose to ignore the answers that don't support your position then we are in a moo point here.

My position:

Davis: Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?

Tell me other way to word this question, of COURSE is BEFORE, is not like "Do you feel this with other person RIGHT NOW?"

Of course Davis will think and assume is Jimmy, this before is not PAST.

Chloe in the other hand talks in past "once"

And I repeat really creepy that Chloe is feeling the same that she felt once for Clark now with Davis....that wouldn't make look ANY shipper good and "unique"

So Chloe:

Had a feeling for Clark that now is the EXACT conection she is having for Davis ant the same time she is in love and marrying Jimmy? dude Lana is a freaking saint now compared with Chloe

Well, to be honest what you said here doesn't make sense. I don't mean to be rude or disrespectful, but I'm just not understanding the logic of what your trying to say. This has nothig to do with the term before. And in the context in which before was used it meant have you ever felt that way with anyone before that's in YOUR PAST? Meaning has she ever felt this way with someone in her past before and she says once *meaning one time in the past with one person*. I don't know why that is so hard to understand for some folks.

Saying, "Have you ever felt that way with anyone before?" is not like saying, "Do you feel this with other person right now?"

One is past tense and one is present. Before is past. The keyword isn't before though its once, and in the context it was used it meant one.

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Thanks Kalista. here's my take then.

going by the verb tense being used, Davis is asking Chloe if she has ever felt this "easiness" that Chloe feels with him 'before"...so in other words, at any point from the beginning of her romantic life until now. she replies yes...now obviously Davis at first asks if it's Jimmy, because Chloe is marrying Jimmy, so that is an obvious assumption.


Which that means they were talking about somebody she has feelings for in the present not in the past. That is why Davis assumed she was referring to Jimmy when she said once because Chloe is about to get married to Jimmy. And I'm sure Davis already assumes Chloe is in love with Jimmy and has had the same connection she has with him with Jimmy. The once reference was to say she shared that connection one time in her past with one other person. Davis assumed that because she is marrying Jimmy that one other person is Jimmy.

But anyway, I rest my case I think I've explained my POV the best way I can and I guess well just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[SteveS]

That doesn't bode well for Chimmy.

Jimmy is a nice kid, but his constant teary eyes and crying will cost Chloe too much in Kleenex in the long haul, so he will be history (with her) sooner than later.

Both George (?, the guy in ClarkMan's alternative future episode) and our soon-to-be Doomsday are both very masculine looking males and Jimmy is still a nice little wussie-boy.:)

[Sweetie]

Of course,she doesn't share the same bond with Jimmy.He is her soulmate,her true love.What she is feeling for Davis is the same obssession that she had with Clark in the past.

[luvinChlark]

But Chloe doesn't have with Jimmy an unhealty obsesion like she used to have with Clark and like she is starting to have with Davis, what she feels for Jimmy is just love (and in Smallville obsesion is stronger than love like Lex said in "wrath"),so what Chloe feels for Jimmy is not like she feels for Davis or felt for Clark at all. I actually don't see how are some of you glad with this, Chloe is getting obsessed with a murderer.


Chloe is now accused of being obsessed with Davis!? How? I just don't see how thats even possible, she told him she doesn't want to see him anymore.

What I got out of the conversation was she was referring to Clark. That she has only felt very easy with her relationship with Clark and only Clark. PS3 could have had her say yes with her and Jimmy to further cement Chimmy- I was expecting they would've, but they decided to crack open the Chlark door- while in Committed it seemed as if it would be closed forever. PS3, pick as side please. :lol:

Though here's a tip: Pick Chlark ;)

[meteor]

Which that means they were talking about somebody she has feelings for in the present not in the past.

no, that's not what it means. it means at some point, from the beginning of her romantic life until now, she has felt that way one time. that is the correct grammatical explanation of the present perfect tense being used. Davis assumes she means Jimmy at present because she is marrying Jimmy.. that's a logical deduction to make. if you were getting married, and you told me you've felt at ease with one man in your life, i'd assume it was the guy you were going to marry. however, she means Clark i agree, but there is nothing whatosever to suggest that with Clark, it means now; that's a leap of logic. it doesn't discount it mind you, but the deduction you're making on its own is not supported. this is why we have to look at other events from the show to determine whether we feel Chloe is still in love with Clark now or not. i'm not trying to draw any specific conclusion..i'm simply taking the show is it is being presented to me and the language it is using.

[President_Luthor]

It's Chlark, but in the long-lasting platonic sense.

Clark's her BFF and even Clark said something to the effect this season that no one will have what they have together. As in a deep, abiding friendship that endures. Davis probably thought it was in the romantic sense, 'cause he's the one on the verge of a Chloe-obsession and couldn't possibly get what Clark and Chloe have developed over seven years.

Sadly, Jimmy's going to be an afterthought in that particular triangle. Someone get him Kat Grant's number. :lol:

[Sweetie]

Chloe is now accused of being obsessed with Davis!? How? I just don't see how thats even possible, she told him she doesn't want to see him anymore.

What I got out of the conversation was she was referring to Clark. That she has only felt very easy with her relationship with Clark and only Clark. PS3 could have had her say yes with her and Jimmy to further cement Chimmy- I was expecting they would've, but they decided to crack open the Chlark door- while in Committed it seemed as if it would be closed forever. PS3, pick as side please. :lol:

Though here's a tip: Pick Chlark ;)


It's obvious that she is starting to have the same feelings for him that she once had for Clark.That's what she was talking about when Davis questionned her.Then she thought about Jimmy:Oh,wait!What am I doing here,I'm getting marry in a few weeks.Go to go Davis.Can't see you for a while...That was so convaincing :rolleyes:

[Kalista]

'cause he's the one on the verge of a Chloe-obsession and couldn't possibly get what Clark and Chloe have developed over seven years.

He was on the verge of tears when she walked away. Things are going to get really creepy.


Sadly, Jimmy's going to be an afterthought in that particular triangle.:lol:

That's for sure.:lol:

[Black Panda]

He was on the verge of tears when she walked away. Things are going to get really creepy.
Things are already WAY creepy. That whole scene was creepy with him pushing to aknowledge that those feelings for Clark were a sign that they felt a romantic connection. Davis is way too agressive. It's kinda sexy at the moment, but I think it's going to scary territory fast.

[Inkpen23]

no, that's not what it means. it means at some point, from the beginning of her romantic life until now, she has felt that way one time. that is the correct grammatical explanation of the present perfect tense being used. Davis assumes she means Jimmy at present because she is marrying Jimmy.. that's a logical deduction to make. if you were getting married, and you told me you've felt at ease with one man in your life, i'd assume it was the guy you were going to marry. however, she means Clark i agree, but there is nothing whatosever to suggest that with Clark, it means now; that's a leap of logic. it doesn't discount it mind you, but the deduction you're making on its own is not supported. this is why we have to look at other events from the show to determine whether we feel Chloe is still in love with Clark now or not. i'm not trying to draw any specific conclusion..i'm simply taking the show is it is being presented to me and the language it is using.

Yes it does. It means she has felt that way once *one time in her life with one other person*. She wasn't saying her feelings for that particular person are in the past and that she's over that person, she was saying she felt that way once *one time with one other person*. And I agree Davis assumes she was referring to Jimmy because she is marrying Jimmy AND because she said ONCE. Meaning *one time with one other person.* Davis assumed that once she was referring to was *ONE TIME ONLY WITH ONE PERSON AND THAT PERSON TO DAVIS WAS JIMMY*. Which meant, that when she said once she wasn't talking about past feelings she had. She was talking about sharing this connection *one time in her life with one other person*. And when Davis asked her about that *one other person* Davis assumed that *one other person was Jimmy because of the stated reasons above*. If Davis was asking her about someone in her past then he would have not assumed she was talking about Jimmy. But he assumed she was talking about Jimmy because she said once. Not once as in the past, but once as in *one time with one person*. What is a leap of logic is to assume that she was talking about someone in her past when it's clear when she used the term "once" she was referring to *one time only with one person* .

[Kalista]

Davis is way too agressive. It's kinda sexy at the moment, but I think it's going to scary territory fast.

I wonder how they meet again. I can see him showing up at Isis using some lame excuse about needing to see her.

[meteor]

What is a leap of logic is to assume that she was talking about someone in her past when it's clear when she used the term "once" she was referring to *one time only with one person* .

i'm not arguing that once means one time..obviously it does. nobody is arguing that she meant Clark because most think she did. the point is, there is nothing in the statement that specifically states that if she is referring to Clark, that she means now OR in the past. by trying to keep hammering away at this, you're circumventing cardinal rules of english grammar as it is taught in text books all over the world. once she establishes that it's Clark she is talking about, there is nothing that explicitly states whether this feeling is still active, or if it is in the past. if Jimmy were the answer that would not change, we'd simply take it to be active because they are getting married and are supposedly in love and because what is going on with the program would support it. as Clark is the answer, it MAY mean that she feels that way about Clark now..it MAY mean that she felt that way about him in the past and no longer does if we strictly go by the statement..it doesn't mean she absolutely does feel that way about him now and that is what she meant. that is simply incorrect. it's why they are using the tense they are using, because in this case the time frame is not specific..it's vague. trying to link Jimmy and Clark together really has nothing to do with it. it's also why we have to turn to other events and episodes on the show to establish whether we feel Chloe is still in love with Chloe NOW, to which people will undoubtedly draw their own conclusions. my logic is not a leap...it's taking the statement and interpreting it in the context of other statements and episodes of the show. the above is a grammatical fact and i know this because i've been teaching it for the past 7 years. Chlark may have a certain power in the world, but that does not include redrawing grammar rules of the english language.:)

[Khyla]

Yes it does. It means she has felt that way once *one time in her life with one other person*. She wasn't saying her feelings for that particular person are in the past and that she's over that person, she was saying she felt that way once *one time with one other person*. And I agree Davis assumes she was referring to Jimmy because she is marrying Jimmy AND because she said ONCE. Meaning *one time with one other person.* Davis assumed that once she was referring to was *ONE TIME ONLY WITH ONE PERSON AND THAT PERSON TO DAVIS WAS JIMMY*. Which meant, that when she said once she wasn't talking about past feelings she had. She was talking about sharing this connection *one time in her life with one other person*. And when Davis asked her about that *one other person* Davis assumed that *one other person was Jimmy because of the stated reasons above*. If Davis was asking her about someone in her past then he would have not assumed she was talking about Jimmy. But he assumed she was talking about Jimmy because she said once. Not once as in the past, but once as in *one time with one person*. What is a leap of logic is to assume that she was talking about someone in her past when it's clear when she used the term "once" she was referring to *one time only with one person* .

:)
thanks for making that abundantly, and redundantly clear for those who may not have understood at once. ;)
You most definitely cleared that up once and for all. :D

[Violet-Shadow]

IMO, Chloe was referring to how easy it was to once love (romantically) Clark, past tense. I think the last episode cleared up that she is over Clark.

[ms.c.]

She was obviously talking about Clark. She feels a level of closeness to Davis that is similar to what she feels with Clark. Jimmy is just out in the cold which makes it that much more stupid that she's engaged to him.

They're setting up a triangle between Clark/Chloe/Davis and a struggle for Chloe. The episode was a lot like Crush as others have mentioned, the only thing is that in Crush, they found out that Justin was the murderer. So far, no one gets that Davis is the real killer and that he has all those trophies of his victims.

I think Sam Witwer is an amazing actor because he is making me gloss over the fact that he's a killer, that he's coming on way too strong with Chloe, that he's hanging out in her office when she's not around and doing creepy things that should make him scary. I find it hard to get past the tears and the smiles to focus on the monster behind both.

[Clana4Life]

Is this the part that we forget what happen in the episode before this one and pretend that this is the only episode from season 8?

Cause I am pretty sure it was more than clear Chloe is not in love with Clark anymore, therefore she is talking in past tense here.

And of course Davis would assume she was talking about Jimmy, for all he knows Jimmy is the only guy Chloe has been in love with, Davis doesn't know that Chloe was part of the "I love Clark" Club

Totally agree. I was like "what???" to some of the other posts. She is talking past tense. Need she have said. I "used" to feel that way and by the way I mean "used to" in the past tense sort of way, hence the use of the "ed" at the end of "use". If passing the lie detector test, and handing Clark the letter and then telling him she was over that, and her surfacing feelings for Davis are not enough to convince the audience that she is really, truly and completely over Clark, I don't know what is. Isn't Chloe the best judge of her feelings? I would have thought the conversation with Chloe and Davis would have confirmed that she has an attraction to Davis that she is beginning to see might cause a problem for her and Jimmy.

[ginnyfan]

She was talking about the past, not the present. Everyone knows she was in love with Clark for a long time, this isn't anything new or surprising. Just because she isn't any more doesn't mean that she doesn't remember how she used to feel. But that's the key, it's "used to".

I agree.

I think that after "Committed" they needed to have Chloe make a distinction between the way she loved Clark and the way she loves Jimmy. We could see that it didn't come easy with Jimmy but it's nice to here her say it.

This also... clues Chloe in to how... fast things are developing between herself and Davis. He's gotten quite a hold over her in a very short amount of time.


In my opinion this is Brian and Kelly's way to say us that Chloe is developing an unhealthy relationship with Davis just as she used to have with Clark, you know:

- Blind trust.
- Leaving her own life apart for being with the guy.
- Damaging her relationship with her couple and friends to support this guy.
- Doing grey things for him.

She grew up from Clark because she wanted to be happy with Jimmy, but now she is making the same mistake with Davis, and she'll pay it, poor thing, you put your trust in the wrong person this time.

I guess it could either suggest that her love for Clark and her developing love for Davis are "true" love. While her love for Jimmy needs re-examining. OR It could be as you suggest Celita, a warning flag for Chloe that something is not right here. To have this type of self sacrificing love for Davis with NONE of the history she has with Clark... is odd.

I can't wait to see how everything unfolds.

[CK&CK]

But Chloe doesn't have with Jimmy an unhealty obsesion like she used to have with Clark and like she is starting to have with Davis, what she feels for Jimmy is just love (and in Smallville obsesion is stronger than love like Lex said in "wrath"),so what Chloe feels for Jimmy is not like she feels for Davis or felt for Clark at all. I actually don't see how are some of you glad with this, Chloe is getting obsessed with a murderer.

At least Chloe getting obsessed with a Murderer sounds FAR MORE interesting than all this Chimmy dribble that I keep reading about.

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I don't see why they had to bring that up at all. Especially after all that was said in Committed.
I wish they would stop with the back and forth, Chloe and Jimmy are not Clark and Lana!

TPTB brought it up because THEY believe in that old saying......."There's a Sucker born every minute".................oh excuse me.....I meant "Chlarker".

[Serynarpc]

At this point, Davis doesn't view Jimmy as competition. He's been questioning their relationship since Toxic. So, when Chloe admitted that their relationship lacked emotional intimacy, he attempted to make a move by telling her how he felt. Jimmy is a non-issue to Davis.

I have to agree, from Davis brush off at Jimmy's joke (about her PDA) its clear that Davis isn't interested in why Jimmy wants to tag along. Davis isn't acting as though he'd like for Jimmy to dissapear (even cautioning him to stay out of the dangerous Shadow- monster occupied alley). Davis seems very confident that confiding to Chloe how he feels about her will tank the engagement.

[Level33Pnt1]

What did Chloe mean when she answered Davis's question about having felt that way about anyone else

Was is reffering to Clark

[Dustmite]

What did Chloe mean when she answered Davis's question about having felt that way about anyone else

Was is reffering to Clark

Yes she was :)

[Level33Pnt1]

cool!

[mistaguitarmasta]

There's already a thread about this:
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106007

[justme_007]

she was referring to Clark.

[Clana4Life]

The original question wasn't whether or not she was referring to Clark. Everyone pretty much agrees that she was referring to Clark. The question was whether or not the conversation with Davis is an indicator that she still does have feelings for Clark. Some people seem to think that she does (even though Chloe herself says that she does not), but I'm under the impression that she was speaking in the past tense about how she used to feel about Clark - like way back when. If there are any feelings surfacing now, the feelings are for Davis.

[ginnyfan]

^I agree. Chloe is over Clark romantically.

[Kalista]

Here's a great quote:


Now that they have commited to each other, will it be smooth sailing for Chloe and Jimmy?

DS: When is it ever smooth sailing on Smallville?

BP:"I think everyone knows where Chloe's heart lies."

When he says "heart" he is not referring to some kind friendship of the heart. That doesn't make sense. Whenever that phrase is mentioned it obviously refers to romantic feelings.

Davis asked if she ever felt the same way with anyone else and she said she only felt that way, one time before. She didn't say that she felt that way in the past. IOW, she only felt that way with one other person.

[Clana4Life]

Nor did she say she presently feels that way. But if we look at other episodes, we hear her clearly say she does not love anyone but Jimmy and she handed Clark the letter and told him she was over all of that.

Now I wish the conversation would have gone like this:

Davis: Chloe have you ever in the past or present felt that way before.

Chloe: Yes, in the past I felt that way - once. By once I mean one time in the past. I do not presently feel that way.

Davis did use "felt" a past tense form of the word "feel". He did not ask her if she feels that way now. Her saying "once" in response to his use of "felt" render both the question and the answer in the past tense. Semantics, syntax, all work in favor of that. But hey, we'll just have to agree to disagree. What do you think of the lie detector test and the fact that Chloe herself has said she is over Clark and has given him back the letter?

[Kalista]

Nor did she say she presently feels that way. But if we look at other episodes, we hear her clearly say she does not love anyone but Jimmy and she handed Clark the letter and told him she was over all of that.

Now I wish the conversation would have gone like this:

Davis: Chloe have you ever in the past or present felt that way before.

Chloe: Yes, in the past I felt that way - once. By once I mean one time in the past. I do not presently feel that way.

Davis did use "felt" a past tense form of the word "feel". He did not ask her if she feels that way now. Her saying "once" in response to his use of "felt" render both the question and the answer in the past tense. Semantics, syntax, all work in favor of that. But hey, we'll just have to agree to disagree. What do you think of the lie detector test and the fact that Chloe herself has said she is over Clark and has given him back the letter?

The psycho jeweler asked Chloe if she was in love with anyone else. He didn't ask her if she was in love with Jimmy. Chloe said she was not in love with anyone else. By saying that she wasn't in love with anyone else, she was not lying. She loves Jimmy but is in love with Clark.

David was asking her if the feeling of easiness she felt with him was a new experience for her. She told him that it wasn't and that she only felt that way with one other person and that person was not Jimmy.

Her saying "once" in response to his use of "felt" shows that she only had those same feelings for one other person. She was not saying once, in the past.

As far as the Fever letter, there is Brainiac influence involved. I'm not going to get into that and I'll just wait for the show to confirm as much. But the fact that Brainiac causes Chloe to forget anyone except Davis shows that Brainiac is ultimately involved in driving a wedge between Chloe and Clark in his grand scheme to defeat Clark.

But we can agree to disagree.

[meteor]

Here's a great quote:



When he says "heart" he is not referring to some kind friendship of the heart. That doesn't make sense. Whenever that phrase is mentioned it obviously refers to romantic feelings.

Davis asked if she ever felt the same way with anyone else and she said she only felt that way, one time before. She didn't say that she felt that way in the past. IOW, she only felt that way with one other person.

just curious..who is 'BP'?

She didn't specifically say anything in this scene in response to the question...all she said was "no". it's entirely possible that Chloe could come back to these feelings for Clark in the future ...more of a longshot IMO would be the uncovering that it was Brainiac who fooled the polygraph and she was still madly in love with him all along, but i guess we'll see. only thing for me is that to come back and linger on this unrequited love bit AGAIN would be a major step back for the character, unless the idea is that there's gonna be a Clark-Chloe romance. given how Lois and Clark seem to be developing and the fact we've been waiting on this Clark-Chloe deal for 8 years now, i find that hard to believe. i don't know..i always thought hooking Chloe up with Ollie might be an acceptable solution for Chloe's romantic troubles, as it's clear that many simply don't think Jimmy is much of a prize.:cool:

[ginnyfan]

I agree with you Clana4Life I heard "once" as past tense also. After reading the other view I suppose it's open to interpretation. *shrug*

I also believe Chloe in "Committed" that she's over Clark romantically. She still loves him powerfully but... I think she's settled her romantic hopes for happiness on Jimmy for now.

That Brian Peterson quote is a VEEEERRRRY interesting non answer. :D

We shall see.

If BP is referring to Clark AND Clark reciprocates I'll be happy for Chlarkers.

BP is one of the producers.

[Kalista]

just curious..who is 'BP'?

She didn't specifically say anything in this scene...all she said was "no". it's entirely possible that Chloe could come back to these feelings for Clark in the future ...more of a longshot IMO would be the uncovering that it was Brainiac who fooled the polygraph and she was still madly in love with him all along, but i guess we'll see. only thing for me is that to come back and linger on this unrequited love bit AGAIN would be a major step back for the character, unless the idea is that there's gonna be a Clark-Chloe romance. given how Lois and Clark seem to be developing and the fact we've been waiting on this Clark-Chloe deal for 8 years now, i find that hard to believe. i don't know..i always thought hooking Chloe up with Ollie might be an acceptable solution for Chloe's romantic troubles, as it's clear that many simply don't think Jimmy is much of a prize.:cool:

Brian Peterson. The interview is on this site somewhere, I just don't remember the where. Sorry.

As for your other comments, I think that is a fair view up to this point in the season, depending on your view of Committed and Instinct. It is a matter of wait and see.

Jimmy is not much of a prize at all and I am basing my sentiments on his behavior towards and other women (even her cousin). But that is for another thread....

[ginnyfan]

Jimmy is not much of a prize at all and I am basing my sentiments on his behavior towards and other women (even her cousin). But that is for another thread....

Chloe and I disagree. :p

[AChloeChick]

as it's clear that many simply don't think Jimmy is much of a prize.:cool:

Sorry, ginnyfan because I know you truly enjoy Chimmy, but Jimmy is NOT much of a prize. He's more like a . . . IDK what. He might be a nice guy with a romantic side who is in-love with Chloe, but that does NOT make him a prize, nor the right guy.

After two years you would think the audience would feel differently. But they don't (on the most part). Now we have Davis, who is very much a dark version of Clark, in the picture and Chloe is starting to experience that same 'easiness' and attraction with him as she has with Clark.

Someone said it before that normally the third person in the triangle is rooted against. However, that's not the case with Davis/Chloe/Chimmy. People were already rooting against Chimmy and now, despite Davis being Doomy, they're rooting against Chimmy more than ever.

I'm sorry, Chimmy just doesn't work. Jimmy has not stolen Chloe's heart. I'm afraid Davis is on that road. As SW said, "Davis is the one guy most likely to steal Chloe's heart." IF she wasn't engaged, I truly believe he already would have.

Chloe has only had that one type of connection with another guy and it's not Jimmy.

I don't even think whether it's present or past has anything to do with it. The point is, she's having that type of connection NOW with Davis.

[meteor]

I don't even think whether it's present or past has anything to do with it. The point is, she's having that type of connection NOW with Davis.

Precisely, but given we know that Chloe cannot end up with Davis, i think people are looking past that end of it with regard to some of the romantic hypotheticals. however, i made the same point about the focus of that exchange being on Davis, so i concur.

Ginnyfan..i commend you for basically being a lone voice in the woods with your support for Chloe and Jimmy. if were a hockey player the coach would definitely tell you that you have character.:)

[Clana4Life]

Basically, Clark is the past, Jimmy is the present and Davis is the future. Very reminiscent of what Clark said once upon a time. I don't think we have seen Brainiac's influence on Chloe yet. Up until this point, I think it's all Chloe. The focus really is on Davis because that seems to be the person she is now developing feelings for. So I guess the whole Chlark argument is moot. There's a new triangle in town and it seems to be Jimmy/Chloe/Davis.

[Kalista]

Well, Davis made his move as soon as he found the weak spot in the Chimmy fence. Jimmy is hardly competition for Davis and Davis knows that now. I'm glad that the writer's removed Jimmy from the triangle when Chloe told Davis that they lacked a true emotional connection.

Jimmy doesn't even see Davis as a threat to his relationship as can be seen in their hospital conversation.

And the show did an excellent job of giving us a visual representation of the triangle in Plastique.

[AChloeChick]

I don't think Davis has made a move as of yet (other than the table/hand hold in Plastique, which he backed off once he found out she's engaged). He may have told her, "I think you know how I feel," and called her out on the carpet in the last scene.

But making his move, I don't think so. He even told Chloe he's not trying to get between her and the rest of her life. I think he has enough respect and admiration for Chloe that he's willing to let Chimmy unfold on its own.

He will step up in Bride or Abyss by telling her she's marrying the wrong guy, but it seems he does NOTHING to stop the wedding {which I was really hoping he would speak up during the wedding.

Plus, SW has said Davis is a decent guy and he's not going to try to steal Chloe from Jimmy (which is seriously too bad).

[Kalista]

Chloe and I disagree. :p

Apparently, Chloe agrees with me.:p

[luvinChlark]

I honestly think we are suppose to interrupt "once" in two different ways. Yes it can be taken as meaning that one time ago she had that feeling for Clark.
But what I believe Chloe meant saying "once" was that only once (one time in her life) did she ever feel that being with Clark made her feel easy (comfortable). It makes perfect sense. Even with the way AM portrayed that word said it all. Almost teary-eyed. If they wanted me to believe that "once" meant she was completely done with Clark and her feelings for him, AM should have played it that way.

[Atomic girl]

Davis has been pretty open about how he's attracted to Chloe. He's been respectful of her relationship to Jimmy on one level, but not on another level. This conversation proved to Chloe that Davis isn't going to back down from those feelings. He's acknowledging those feelings unapologetically and he's even given her reasons to question her relationship with Jimmy. Chloe decided she wouldn't be with someone who didn't respect her choice in husband.

I wouldn't hang out with some guy that constantly brought up that he was attracted to me. That is disrespectful of my husband and me. I think it was OK for Davis to bring up that he didn't see the attraction between Chloe and Jimmy only once as a friend. After that he needs to back down, which he didn't and Chloe responded by telling him she won't see him again. Maybe she needs to make sure that Jimmy is around for that, or in a pinch Clark, since at least he respects her decision to remain with Jimmy.

I agree that Davis doesn't see Jimmy as competition, and he never lets Chloe forget it. Clark, on the other hand, he seems to have some sort of respect for. It's interesting that Davis congratulates Clark on the engagement, when he thought it was him, but never congratulated Jimmy when he was corrected in his thinking. Maybe it happened in offscreensville, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

[Ayanne]

But what I believe Chloe meant saying "once" was that only once (one time in her life) did she ever feel that being with Clark made her feel easy (comfortable). It makes perfect sense. Even with the way AM portrayed that word said it all. Almost teary-eyed. If they wanted me to believe that "once" meant she was completely done with Clark and her feelings for him, AM should have played it that way.


She totally did not play it as something "over", but in a realization type way of those feelings only apply to Clark for her. It's a classic triangle set-up.

[Clana4Life]

She totally did not play it as something "over", but in a realization type way of those feelings only apply to Clark for her. It's a classic triangle set-up.

Not a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle - at least not romantically. They are pushing Clark toward Lois. There is no Chloe on the radar. They will already toy with the Lana/Clark/Lois triangle. I think we have enough triangles involving Clark. This time it seems like the triangle will be Jimmy/Chloe/Davis, with Jimmy possibly losing out. I really would like to see Chloe and Davis get together at least for a little while.
Regarding the thread - I think Chloe thought about the feelings she used to have for Clark, sort of a reminiscing type of thing, but I do not think she still has those feelings. Can we give Chloe some credit? Does she really have to be in love with Clark for the rest of her life? As a Chloe fan, I would think other fans would want her to move on with someone else and not stay in love with a guy who has never reciprocated those feelings.

[RedKRules]

Apparently, Chloe agrees with me.:p

and I agree with both of you !! :lol:

[AChloeChick]

Davis has been pretty open about how he's attracted to Chloe. He's been respectful of her relationship to Jimmy on one level, but not on another level. This conversation proved to Chloe that Davis isn't going to back down from those feelings. He's acknowledging those feelings unapologetically and he's even given her reasons to question her relationship with Jimmy. Chloe decided she wouldn't be with someone who didn't respect her choice in husband.

I wouldn't hang out with some guy that constantly brought up that he was attracted to me. That is disrespectful of my husband and me. I think it was OK for Davis to bring up that he didn't see the attraction between Chloe and Jimmy only once as a friend. After that he needs to back down, which he didn't and Chloe responded by telling him she won't see him again. Maybe she needs to make sure that Jimmy is around for that, or in a pinch Clark, since at least he respects her decision to remain with Jimmy.

I agree that Davis doesn't see Jimmy as competition, and he never lets Chloe forget it. Clark, on the other hand, he seems to have some sort of respect for. It's interesting that Davis congratulates Clark on the engagement, when he thought it was him, but never congratulated Jimmy when he was corrected in his thinking. Maybe it happened in offscreensville, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

Good post! I don't see Jimmy as a threat either (never really have) but maybe that's because I really don't like him (he's okay sometimes when he's away from Chloe).

I don't see anything wrong with Davis not letting Chloe forget it; she's engaged, not married. Maybe that's one reason why I like him and his relationship with Chloe. He's a person outside of the drama and sees the major cracks in the Chimmy relationship. Eventually, those cracks are going to cause that ship to sink (at least it should), and if I were Davis, I'd be right there to be the life saving device!

[Kalista]

Davis has been pretty open about how he's attracted to Chloe. He's been respectful of her relationship to Jimmy on one level, but not on another level. This conversation proved to Chloe that Davis isn't going to back down from those feelings. He's acknowledging those feelings unapologetically and he's even given her reasons to question her relationship with Jimmy.



Maybe she needs to make sure that Jimmy is around for that, or in a pinch Clark, since at least he respects her decision to remain with Jimmy.

Jimmy is oblivious to what's going on because he only see Clark as competition. Jimmy should have noticed Davis' response when he agreed to let him tag along "for Chloe". Davis had a look of disgust and annoyance on his face in that scene until Jimmy suggested that he help him as a favor for Chloe. When you rewatch that scene, take a look at Davis' face throughout the scene. :lol: Davis isn't on Jimmy's radar. That may change though. He may end up running to Clark because of an issue with Chloe and Davis at some point.


I agree that Davis doesn't see Jimmy as competition, and he never lets Chloe forget it. Clark, on the other hand, he seems to have some sort of respect for. It's interesting that Davis congratulates Clark on the engagement, when he thought it was him, but never congratulated Jimmy when he was corrected in his thinking. Maybe it happened in offscreensville, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

That's a good observation. But even though he was congratulatory with Clark when he thought that he and Chloe were engaged, he still hinted at his attraction. Davis is rather brazen, so I think he would have still questioned that relationship.

[All about Clark]

I think that Chloe meant that everything was easy with Clark, as well as Davis, since it obviously is not Jimmy. In saying that, I guess it takes an alien to be easy and that I'm wondering when Chlark will begin to think of Davis as not human. And it's funny, because TPTB make it sound like us humans are so complicated and guarded as to NOT be easy. hehe

[justme_007]

hehehe you are right.... aparently chloe likes only aliens ... hehehe

[Khyla]

I think that Chloe meant that everything was easy with Clark, as well as Davis, since it obviously is not Jimmy. In saying that, I guess it takes an alien to be easy and that I'm wondering when Chlark will begin to think of Davis as not human. And it's funny, because TPTB make it sound like us humans are so complicated and guarded as to NOT be easy. hehe

I find it amusing that Clark's answer about everything has always been. "It's complicated". :)

And when ya look at it, being with Clark isn't all that easy!



but i think i know what she meant here. She meant she didn't have to feel guarded around him, nor did he have to feel guarded around her. there is an openess between them. THEY TRUST EACH OTHER.

(except of course when it came to their true feelings about each other:\)



Not to change the topic, but I was wondering if anyone's ever counted how many times the word "trust" is spoken in an episode.

[Serynarpc]

I agree that ever since Chloe and Clark had their scene after she found him at the Fortress, things have been an open communication highway between them. It certainly wasn't easy when Chloe was spiteful from Clark's rejection, but they worked through that to a stronger friendship.

I can see that there's instant communication between Davis and Chloe (as he just seems to see through all of her excuses), but its not at the Clark level. Personally, I'm wondering if Clark's worried about his BFF badge.

[President_Luthor]

Clark should be worried about his BFF status, but he isn't. He still presumes that he can take Chloe's loyalty/devotion as a given and he doesn't have a clue that Davis is slowly chiseling away at that connection he has with Chloe.

While I'd agree that Jimmy is unlikely to be any threat to Davis ingratiating himself with Chloe, Davis did test Chloe to see if perhaps Jimmy did have that connection (hence the title of this thread). Having confirmed that Jimmy's not the guy, Davis will surely zero in that Clark would be the next candidate. Clark, your BFF privileges may expire!

As a tongue-in-cheek what if, it would be hilarious if they were to dust off Pete's feelings for Chloe: Chletavis :rotfl:

"Davis: No one understands Chloe the way I do. Not Jimmy -- and not you!

Pete: Dude, I remember when Chloe barfed in the school bus in Grade 2 after the ferry ride to the aquarium.

Davis: Oookay, I think you got me beat there ..."

[Iluvgreen]

Was this Chloe admitting some lingering feelings for Clark? I was sorta hoping this book was closed, especially after "Committed". I believed Chloe when she told Jimmy she only cared for him, esp since she had the lie detector to back her up. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a shipper in any way. I was just hoping the Clark-pining would end because I've been loving the new, more independent Chloe this season. Allison is having a great year.

she wasnt admitting that! she can't! well i dont think so. just cuz its easier... it was just a little kind of rollor coaster with her and Jimmy. Hopefully thats what she meant.

[La Donna]

Chloe is in love with Clark, she always has been. I never bought the garbage saying otherwise from Committed. She's infected with Brainiac, which totally has the capacity to influence Chloe's actions & words.

It's Clark.

So, why does Brainiac choose to block Chloe's feelings/words at the lie detector and yet not at the table with Davis? This is the inconsistency with the "Brainiac is controlling Chloe's choices and relationships this season" theory.

[LuthorKent90]

Chloe is in love with Clark, she always has been. I never bought the garbage saying otherwise from Committed. She's infected with Brainiac, which totally has the capacity to influence Chloe's actions & words.

It's Clark.

So I guess Brainiac is in love with Jimmy. :confused:

[Black Panda]

So, why does Brainiac choose to block Chloe's feelings/words at the lie detector and yet not at the table with Davis? This is the inconsistency with the "Brainiac is controlling Chloe's choices and relationships this season" theory.
Because building up either Chimmy or Chlavis supports Brainiac's plan to distance her from Clark?

I've noticed that Chloe tends to seem more Brainiaced when she gets angry, which seemed like a factor in Committed. I think he uses the emotional momentum to his advantage. He plays up some attraction to Davis, he plays up irritation with Clark. That sort of thing.

[La Donna]

Here's a great quote:



When he says "heart" he is not referring to some kind friendship of the heart. That doesn't make sense. Whenever that phrase is mentioned it obviously refers to romantic feelings.

Davis asked if she ever felt the same way with anyone else and she said she only felt that way, one time before. She didn't say that she felt that way in the past. IOW, she only felt that way with one other person.

But remember, TPTB are lying liars who lie to protect their secret twists. ;)

So how can we take anything they say seriously, or even try to interpret their non-answers?

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Because building up either Chimmy or Chlavis supports Brainiac's plan to distance her from Clark?

I've noticed that Chloe tends to seem more Brainiaced when she gets angry, which seemed like a factor in Committed. I think he uses the emotional momentum to his advantage. He plays up some attraction to Davis, he plays up irritation with Clark. That sort of thing.

So, in your theory how does this factor with the fever letter? Chloe didn't seem angry or irritated in that scene. And why didn't Brainiac stop Chloe from asking Clark to walk her down the isle? Why didn't he stop her from calling Clark her BFF? Why didn't he stop her from telling Jimmy that she's so happy he's over his jealousy of Clark so they can all be friends? That doesn't really seem like Brainiac is trying to separate Chloe and Clark. The reason I think there can't be any argument for this is that if Brainiac is capable of controlling or influencing Chloe's words and choices, then you can't counter something she has said this season with something else she has said this season.

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I really don't think Braniac is manipulating Chloe to like Davis and diss Clark.

I think in reality Chloe has reasoned it out that Clark will never be hers and finally accepts that by choosing to love Jimmy who is there for her. Chloe is showing some signs of being bitter to Clark for not ever coming through for her in a romantic relationship. She even seemed somewhat bitter when in Toxic she complained about the time Clark spends with Lois. I don't think this is a Braniac effect and I think when he removes her memories is indeed a Braniac effect.

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Davis assumed she was talking about Jimmy. But no, it was Clark.

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I really don't think Braniac is manipulating Chloe to like Davis and diss Clark.

I think in reality Chloe has reasoned it out that Clark will never be hers and finally accepts that by choosing to love Jimmy who is there for her. Chloe is showing some signs of being bitter to Clark for not ever coming through for her in a romantic relationship. She even seemed somewhat bitter when in Toxic she complained about the time Clark spends with Lois. I don't think this is a Braniac effect and I think when he removes her memories is indeed a Braniac effect.

Bitter in Toxic? She was more like "forgetting your BFF Clarkie". Not once did I see that. She was indirectly hinting at Lois and Clark's future without even realising it. The audience should have.

Chloe: "You see her more than I see Jimmy and we're engaged" and Clark is like whut?