Was chloe needed?

[DontCha]

EDIT - APOLOGIES, sorry for the question that appears above the actual poll bar, it doesnt make sense to the thread title. . I didnt mean for the rest of the season I meant this episode alone. Could a mod please change it for me?

since theres a thread asking if Lois was missed this episode, heres me asking if Chloe added anything useful to the episode..Theres lots of threads speaking about Lois, so lets hear some opinions on Chloe?

IMO,,, no she wasnt needed.

she's no longer clark's sidekick, didnt really help him out, clark used his brain.

so where does she fit?

[Minela]

I think she is still needed. I liked her plot with Doomsday and the Isis kids. She wasn't that useful to Clark as a sidekick but she was interesting in the episode.

Btw.

I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I did not miss Lois. I mean, there was just so much Clark there that there was no time to miss her. I was just glad they mentioned her absence and that was enough for me. Now, if she were missing in the next episode I'd have a **** fit. :D

[DontCha]

she's still needed, just not in this episode IMO

and I agree, Lois want actually needed, I think there needed to be a bit of breathing room after Committed for her, clark AND the audience.

[lillie_poo_pod]

She did help him out a little bit when Clark asked her to use her new ability to figure out what the thingy meant. I don't know whats it called, but when they found out it was Davis' skin in the victim.

Also, who else would Davis have confided in? Chloe is pretty much like a link to Davis. It all set up future episode concerning Davis, Chloe, Clark, and Jimmy.

And I don't see how asking if a character was missed = asking if a character was needed. *shrug*

[DontCha]

Well its the same difference IMO..

Asking if Lois was missed is basically asking if she was needed.

[SalvadorianGirl]

Yes she was

[Jory]

She did help him out a little bit when Clark asked her to use her new ability to figure out what the thingy meant. I don't know whats it called, but when they found out it was Davis' skin in the victim.

Also, who else would Davis have confided in? Chloe is pretty much like a link to Davis. It all set up future episode concerning Davis, Chloe, Clark, and Jimmy.

And I don't see how asking if a character was missed = asking if a character was needed. *shrug*


Considering the Lois thread was created by a fan of Lois, it's weird that this thread was even created. It's not like someone who wasn't a fan of Lois started the "missing Lois" thread, vs someone who isn't a fan of Chloe's who started this one.

I don't see how the two threads can be compared. One was started by a Lois fan (he stated he missed Lois) and this thread was started by someone who isn't a fan of Chloe. Apples vs Oranges, imo.

[SueB]

Pretty transparent rationale for the thread.

But yes, Chloe was integral to the A plot, was the co-lead of the B plot, and was integral to the C-plot. The A plot in case you are confused was a series of murders in Metropolis that are caused by Doomsday but everyone ends up thinking it's Shadowboy. With only MM's input, vice Chloe, Clark would have only investigated Davis and the entire diversion would have been out of left field. Clark also request her help in determining the test results. Chloe is also the connection to the MF group and the introduction of the villain. The B-plot was Davis trying to figure out if he is a bad guy. He shared that story with Chloe. She is who he talked to and who was helping him to disprove the theory. The C-plot was Clark's obsession. Again, he crossed the line with his best friend -- that was pretty integral to the story too.

So... kind of a specious argument to even suggest she wasn't needed when in fact she was involved in all three plots vice Clark's involvement in 2.

[DontCha]

Im a fan of Chloe. How can you assume I'm not a fan of chloe? I just dont think she was needed in this episode.


Just thought it would be fair to start a similar thread. We got to hear peoples true opinions of Lois on that thread so lets hear people's true opinions of Chloe in this episode.

Sue, She didnt help clark in the A-plot bar one tiny moment

in the B story, Doomsday confiding in Chloe wasnt needed.

the C plot, the obssession was a clear statement from MM, wasnt needed from Chloe.

[LookUpDown]

These are stupid threads used to start trouble. Of course she was needed. This was a good episode that didn't rely on gimmicks and lightswitches to tell a decent story. There were strange murders (one committed against one of Chloe's client) done by a metahuman (possiblity one of Chloe's clients). Clark, Chloe's best friend, was investigating it. In the process of investigating the crimes, Clark came to Chloe for help, because Chloe is obviously involved with meteor infected individuals who visit the Isis foundation. Then Clark goes and accuse one of Chloe's friend of the crime.

[DontCha]

please, you're not allowed to call people's threads stupid/opinions "stupid"^^

So its OK for people to claim that Lois's plots involve "lightswitches yada yada" but when i ask of chloe's importandce im starting trouble?

folks, read my second post in this thread....before accusing me of "starting trouble."

[SueB]

She didnt help clark in the A-plot bar one tiny moment

in the B story, Doomsday confiding in Chloe wasnt needed.

the C plot, the obssession was a clear statement from MM

Talk about grasping at straws.

A plot --- yes, Clark could have figured out stuff himself or with the help of MM. But MM was a drive-by guest star, not a regular.
B plot --- exactly who is Davis going to talk his concerns over with? The mirror?** This IS his major plot and Chloe IS his major counterpart in this arc. Sure, you could have picked another regular for this arc for this year --- but since Doomsday is attracted to Brainiac [spoiler]... then you also would need to have that regular be infected by Brainiac.
C plot - Thankfully for once they not only made a statement about character and motivation but actually showed us. Simply having a messy desk and him being a jerk to Davis was not enough. You needed him to cross the line with the MF's and you needed to act OOC with his best friend. Just having MM say Clark is obsessed would have been pretty lame without showing the impact.

** Having a silent villain is always a problem. It's why Lex had random minions and so does Tess. But when they are just random people, you lose alot of the motivation. That was why the Clex was so great. You saw the future villain grappling with his issues. If we are to get something other than a 1 dimensional villain, they need to talk to someone about what is happening.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Sue, She didnt help clark in the A-plot bar one tiny moment

in the B story, Doomsday confiding in Chloe wasnt needed.

the C plot, the obssession was a clear statement from MM, wasnt needed from Chloe.

She did help him a tiny bit in the episode, I pointed it out in my first post.

And Doomsday confiding in Chloe was needed, he would have went through this alone, and the Chlark scene @ the Daily Planet, when CHLOE realized it was Davis' skin underneath the victims fingernails wouldn't have happened, and Davis' response vehicle wouldn't have been tracked down on the computer.

The obsession plot was a statement from MM, yes, but it showed how obsessed Clark was to the point of going behind her back with the names of the kids from Isis. It's pretty obvious that Chloe was needed in this episode. But YMMV of course.

And I still don't see how the threads are similar, but whatever.

[DontCha]

Doomsday is attracted to Brainiac

doomsday is attracted to brainiac?

[SueB]

doomsday is attracted to brainiac?

Apparently... it's why it's so easy. I don't know where they are going with this but yes, it's also why Chloe is attracted to Davis (beside the abs). But, now that you've asked this... I'm worried because I thought this was common knowledge and I am concerned about spoilers so I'm now going to go back and tag everything. Please do the same. I think it's out there but just in case...

[LookUpDown]

folks, read my second post in this thread....before accusing me of "starting trouble."

I wouldn't have done that had the poll questions been the same. Missed and needed do not mean the same thing. In fact, asking was Chloe useful anymore alludes to whether she is useful for the rest of the season. That is plainly different than asking people about missing EDLois in this episode.

[AndiGirl]

I think she was useful because she's going to be the middle ground between Clark and Doomsday...so the writers are setting that up. Besides them just being enemies...Clark and Davis will both care deeply for Chloe, and thats another reason for them to hate eachother. :)

[DontCha]

** Having a silent villain is always a problem. It's why Lex had random minions and so does Tess. But when they are just random people, you lose alot of the motivation. That was why the Clex was so great. You saw the future villain grappling with his issues. If we are to get something other than a 1 dimensional villain, they need to talk to someone about what is happening.

actually you know, i agree with this.

but i dunno if it was actually needed this early on from Davis to chloe..

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I wouldn't have done that had the poll questions been the same. Missed and needed do not mean the same thing. In fact, asking was Chloe useful anymore alludes to whether she is useful for the rest of the season. That is plainly different than asking people about missing EDLois in this episode.


sorry I just realized that I wrote that badly...I did it very quickly because when you post a poll, the thread appears on its own until you add the poll and I wrote it quick without thinking too much, it doesnt make sense to my actual thread, I might ask a mod if they can change it for me..

[SueB]

.Clark and Davis will both care deeply for Chloe, and thats another reason for them to hate eachother.

I agree. I think this set up a Trust Triangle for Clark/Chloe/Doom. Kind of hard w/out Chloe in the middle.



asking was Chloe useful anymore alludes to whether she is useful for the rest of the season.

Seriously Don'tCha. If you weren't intending to cause a fight then you should probably clarify the poll if you can because it looks like you are trying to say Chloe is not useful to the show. With the other "how many episodes should Lois be in" polls etc... I think this poll gives the appearance of retribution whether or not intended.

[DontCha]

I edited my first post to say sorry for the question that appears there.

hopefully a mod can change it for me

[oqllcksmallville]

LOL , your so rude ; i seen the thread name ;
is chloe needed ?
LOL ; dont kill me man . xD
.. i love chloe and i cant imagine smallville without her ,
and she does bring new stuff to the table .

[curiosity]

Im a fan of Chloe. How can you assume I'm not a fan of chloe? I just dont think she was needed in this episode.


Just thought it would be fair to start a similar thread. We got to hear peoples true opinions of Lois on that thread so lets hear people's true opinions of Chloe in this episode.

Sue, She didnt help clark in the A-plot bar one tiny moment

in the B story, Doomsday confiding in Chloe wasnt needed.

the C plot, the obssession was a clear statement from MM, wasnt needed from Chloe.


Calm down. You don't need to be defensive to people about asking if Chloe was needed. If you don't think she was you have every right to say that. :)

Personally, I like Chloe, I do feel there's too much of her. So yeah, I think she's needed but they need to give Lois more screen time, and Chloe needs to be more of a supporting character.

[oqllcksmallville]

^ i agree .
there's a lot to Chloe .
her relationship , her powers , her friendship with Clark .
she's the Jimmy of Superman .
&& , she's a complex character . = )

[curiosity]

These are stupid threads used to start trouble.


Don't look now, but someone needs to reread the forum rules and it's not the OP. :eek:

[DontCha]

Curiosity lol didint like being made to feel I was starting trouble. I see alot of threads asking about opinions on Lois and so thought hey what about chloe lets hear opinions on her too..

and i got shoved into a corner and made to feel as if I was starting a fight, which I wasnt lol...eeeekk lol

[curiosity]

Considering the Lois thread was created by a fan of Lois, it's weird that this thread was even created. It's not like someone who wasn't a fan of Lois started the "missing Lois" thread, vs someone who isn't a fan of Chloe's who started this one.


:eek: Please read the forum rules, it makes a better experience for all of us. Thanks.

[oqllcksmallville]

:lol:

[curiosity]

Curiosity lol didint like being made to feel I was starting trouble. I see alot of threads asking about opinions on Lois and so thought hey what about chloe lets hear opinions on her too..

and i got shoved into a corner and made to feel as if I was starting a fight, which I wasnt lol...eeeekk lol

:p By people who can't or don't read the rules.

[RedKRules]

That is why I hate these kind of threads was A missed, or B needed, or C wasted ..... it only leads to fan wars ....... and misunderstandings ..... but to answer the question yes, I think she is needed for the rest of the the season, and the same goes for everyonelse ..... can´t get enough of Davis :p!!!

[DontCha]

I agree, she's needed. I just felt as if she wasnt for this particular episode for some reason

Not sure what it was really, just wasnt connecting to her like I usually do and have been throughout this season.

I guess her main thing was the whole davis/chloe thing where he confides in her but I also felt as if it was a bit too early for that

As a matter of fact i thought it was a tad too early for doomsday all together.

[Lexgirl33]

Mod Note: Lets keep this thread on topic shall we?

[RedKRules]

But if Smallville will end up this season, we can´t really blame them for fastfowarding things can we ?? :lol:

[DontCha]

thats true actually. Things gotta be rushed this season. Buffy used to introduce the big bad of the season early on like this around episode 5-6 too.

But the things like love interests were very slow in progression

Which is why Clois feels a tad rushed as does Chlovis to me :)

But im loving the chlovis and the clois so its all good, just a tad rushed IMO lol

[Dannyblue1]

Of course Chloe was needed in this episode. In fact, she was pivotal. I suppose things could have been accomplished without her. (Except for Davis having someone to confide in, which I definitely think is necessary.) But, without Chloe, a lot of things would've required a lot of twisting and contriving. Chloe's involvement and connection (to Davis, to the MF's, to Clark, to Jimmy) made things happen in a more natural way. Which is the definition of "needed," as far as I'm concerned.

Plus, take Chloe away, and this episode loses a lot of it's emotional resonance.

[meteor]

I think Chloe is needed on the show and was needed in this episode, since the trust isssue between her and Clark as well as the growing and soon to be problematic attraction between her and Davis, were integral parts of the drama of the episode.

overall, obviously her role has changed on the show, but i think it gives the show balance having two leading female figures, particulalry two who are cousins and share a strong bond...plus she's still an excellent and very likeable character.

as for Lois, i think she is the character the most responsable for the fantastic season we have had so far (although everyone has been excellent with a big shout out to Tess/Cassidy Freeman). Ordinarily i do miss Lois when she isn't there, but this time i didn't because she really wasn't needed to tell the story that was told in Prey.

[redRound]

For the first time in a long time, I actually thought Chloe's presence had a point on the show. Yeah, she was needed.

[AgentChaos]

but they need to give Lois more screen time, and Chloe needs to be more of a supporting character.

Chloe is the female lead this season. She's in every episode, Lois is not. It makes more sense that Chloe gets the better storylines. JMO, of course.

Besides, if we all agreed on everything, there wouldn't be much discussion, would there?

[AndrewVDk]

they need to give Lois more screen time, and Chloe needs to be more of a supporting character.

:rolleyes:

Smallville is a drama show, and Chloe is a serious character!
That's why she's the female lead!
Lois is just a comic relief, and comic relief can't be the lead in a drama show!

[curiosity]

:rolleyes:

Smallville is a drama show, and Chloe is a serious character!
That's why she's the female lead!
Lois is just a comic relief, and comic relief can't be the lead in a drama show!

Lois can definately be a lead character. I'd like to see more of her. And I do like Chloe, I just find myself at times thinking there's a little too much of her. The Chloe/ Jimmy scenes really drag. IMO.

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I agree, she's needed. I just felt as if she wasnt for this particular episode for some reason

Not sure what it was really, just wasnt connecting to her like I usually do and have been throughout this season.

I guess her main thing was the whole davis/chloe thing where he confides in her but I also felt as if it was a bit too early for that

As a matter of fact i thought it was a tad too early for doomsday all together.

It was weird Chloe would trust Davis so completely when he told her he might be the killer, and his skin under the victims fingernails? Something doesn't seem right with her, I agree.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

No Chloe wasnt needed in this episode. Its funny how they keep creating storylines to keep her around.lol.
Still, I like where they are going with her character this season:)

[pink_ninja]

I think she's still needed.The last episode's Clark and Chloe conflict was very interesting.

[SueB]

I edited my first post to say sorry for the question that appears there.

Thanks.


they need to give Lois more screen time, and Chloe needs to be more of a supporting character.

The facts: AM is in 22 episodes, ED is in 13 plus likely to get more, but unambiguously NOT 22 episodes as she just missed 1 and is not slated for another two more we know of.

Opinion 1: EP 1-5 were Clois centric. The producers said that Lois was very present in the early episodes. EP 6 clearly was not. It's possible they wanted to hit us over the head with their Clois intent (sort of like when you take a larger dose of medicine to begin with and then wean off). It's possible that every episode Lois is in will be Clois4EVAH. We don't know yet.

Opinion 2: IF Lois gets many more episodes than 13 and IF they continue to make it a Clois4EVAH show, then I think they've done a bait & switch. AM is reasonably considered the leading lady based on episode count but if a substantive portion of the male lead's time is Clois, then ED is at least a close second. One could argue that SW is to AM as ED is to TW (potential love interest/other plot outside of the Chlark team). But, Lois has clearly been on the show for years and Lois is getting far more screen time.

So, wait n see. Sure Lois fans want her to be the lead. It is not a right she's earned --- her 13 vs 22 episode count doesn't support it as a "right" and this show is not entitled Lois and Clark -- it's the Superman prequel --- I argue she shouldn't even been on the show from a mythos perspective. If she had the episode count or they rename the show then I could see their position. But, I also think the emphasis on Lois has made it a real head rush for Lois fans that she's the co-lead whether or not her episode count supports it. OTOH, AM fans have a right to be perturbed that the female lead is being pushed aside for the romance with the part-time regular. Again, wait and see if this dose of Lois tailors off or continues on. Certainly she ruins SV for me so the more she's focused on, the fewer episodes I watch (except for speeding thru via youtube -- she's less obnoxious that way).

But, other than the episode count, I think it's clear that there are opinions only, no facts.

[meteor]

i don't see why Lois/Chloe needs to be seen as a competition by so many people, considering that they are nothing close to that on the show. they are both great and very different characters who contribute to the program.

Sue..JMHO, but it's not Lois' fault that she is Clark's soul mate. a good deal of the venom towards Lois seems to be shipping jealousy..Chlark is not a right in its own, nor has Chloe been pushed aside for romance given she is currently engaged and has Davis fawning over her.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Is Chloe useful anymore?

Yeah, kind of. Her Brainiac download comes in pretty handy.

With Clark's parents gone Chloe serves in the role as secret keeper in order for us, the audience, to know what Clark's thinking, regarding anything related to his secret.

In a way, she's like the companion to his Doctor Who.

And she's cute. :)

[SueB]

Sue..JMHO, but it's not Lois' fault that she is Clark's soul mate.

Of course it's not. And if that is all you are getting out of my posts, then that's a travesty.

The issue is that they made the Chlark friendship so strong, just like they made the Clana relationship so strong, that they have to go to extreme measure to damage those characters and relationships in order to achieve the mythos. If you think objectively to the relationship at the end of S7 b/w Chloe & Clark, how could Lois possibly get to be as close to Clark as Chlark is while Chlark still exists at that level of friendship? They have to push her to the side for Clois to get close.

And I don't see that this is necessary on Smallville. This could have been done in Futureville with just a few anvils. I gotta say, it's a really really hard leap for some (clearly not all ) of the Smallville fans to see Lois fit as Clark's future partner. Why cram that in? Why not allow the fans to see that there is a spark and fill in the blanks themselves? This is the prequel.

But, they have (incorrectly IMO) chosen to move the Lois & Clark romantic start (even if it's just Lois who had admitted she loves Clark, it's still begun --- they've crossed the Rubicon on this one). Which leaves what should they do about Chlark and Chloe.

Now Clana existed in it's intense form with the Chlark frienship in place so I thought they might let Chlark friendship continue. But it seems evident to me now that they want to dump it in order for Clois to look more viable. If Lois was someone I could admire and they had Chloe move in a different direction that was RESPECTFUL to her nature and her ambitions --- it would be easier. Instead, they've made her Mother Theresa and Mrs Jimmy Olson. What a lousy ending for a previously great character. Why on earth does she deserve such a poor conclusion to her story on Smallville. Put her with a hero (the random George dude we talk about). Let her be a free-lance reporter for magazines while being in the watchtower mode. But Jimmy? The comic relief and NOT-A-HERO geek? Why was this necessary? And as for making the Clois believable as a replacement partner for Clark in his adventures -- she is just so incompetent and unworthy as a partner for Clark IMO, it seems to me that they have to make Chloe look bad in order to give Lois a shot.

And my loathing of Lois has everything to do with her inherent nature and not the relationship. I know it's apparently ICONIC! to have her obnoxious and unethical. Doesn't mean I like it. And please note, I thought Lois had the right "potential" in S4 and even S5. The broader and broader they made her personality, the more arrogant without good cause --- the farther away from believability they went for me. If Lois's plot was not centered on her relationship with Clark and they had just upped her screen time with the even-greater emphasis on the qualities I hate --- I still wouldn't be able to watch her. It's her. I swear --- if they could just make her competent and tone down the obnoxious attitude she would be tolerable. As someone who supposedly grew up around the military, she certainly did not pick up on the concept of fragging. She wouldn't last long with that abrasive attitude.

But... back to the question. Don'tCha asked if Chloe was still useful but then corrected it to be about the single episode. You've taken it back (like so many others) to Chloe's value to the show. To be honest, I would have much rather have had Chloe killed off in Odyssey than to have her turned into a shadow of her former self. Since they have chosen to keep her around, I think they've gutted her personality whenever Jimmy shows up and we now only see flashes of what made me a Chloe fan -- but they still kept her central to the plot. It's the way they are writing it.

[DontCha]

:rolleyes:

Smallville is a drama show, and Chloe is a serious character!
That's why she's the female lead!
Lois is just a comic relief, and comic relief can't be the lead in a drama show!

Lois is now the love interest (which can easily become the female lead of the show) and also comic relief but because she's now the love intererst she has more of a seriousness to her character, she keeps having mini emotional meltdowns lol thats not comic relief in the slightest

[chlo-el]

Of course Chloe was needed in this ep. She was central. If she wasn't there then who would Davis confide in. She's just wasn't doing her typical drop everything for Clark thing which I find quite refreshing and I'm a chlarker who loves her sidekick role. But its good to see her growing a little beyond that.

This thread does seem kind of petty. Where Lois wasn't needed in this ep I think MM was pointing out that Clark needed her and the other people in his life to help him out. He shouldn't try to take the whole world on his own. I also really liked the reference of showing Lois was at a monster truck Rally. That was such a SVLois thing to do.

Anyways Chloe's story line was way intersting and very need ful. Other wisee we are just staring at Clark going all obsessive and where some of it was really good it showed it was too much and Clark still needs his friends.

[meteor]

Of course it's not. And if that is all you are getting out of my posts, then that's a travesty.

i wasn't addressing your whole post..just the part in the middle of the last paragraph that spoke to my point. i guess i should have quoted. however, that is only 1 part of the response i gave, which is kind of omitting the rest of it but whatever.



The issue is that they made the Chlark friendship so strong, just like they made the Clana relationship so strong, that they have to go to extreme measure to damage those characters and relationships in order to achieve the mythos. If you think objectively to the relationship at the end of S7 b/w Chloe & Clark, how could Lois possibly get to be as close to Clark as Chlark is while Chlark still exists at that level of friendship? They have to push her to the side for Clois to get close.

how have they damaged the Chloe-Clark friendship? i have to disagree..they are still best friends that hasn't changed; i don't see their friendship as having been damaged whatsoever. how have they pushed Chloe aside when she has had the 2nd most screen time i believe of any character this season? if you mean the fact that they've taken Chloe out of journalism, i can agree with that, which has cut down on the time they would have spent together. however, i don't think this has damaged their friendship..that's simply the way the Superman story goes. Lois and Clark are romantic and professional partners which goes back 70 years (just making a point, not condescending to you), and that is the story that we are moving toward. IMO it doesn't mean that Clark/Chloe aren't still best friends or that it hasn't been portrayed that way .



And I don't see that this is necessary on Smallville. This could have been done in Futureville with just a few anvils. I gotta say, it's a really really hard leap for some (clearly not all ) of the Smallville fans to see Lois fit as Clark's future partner. Why cram that in? Why not allow the fans to see that there is a spark and fill in the blanks themselves? This is the prequel.
But, they have (incorrectly IMO) chosen to move the Lois & Clark romantic start (even if it's just Lois who had admitted she loves Clark, it's still begun --- they've crossed the Rubicon on this one).

obviously this is totally a matter of choice and preference which the different shipping entities will line up on, and i can respect both opinions. i'm simply here for the entertainment, and for me i have loved watching the development of the Lois Clark partnership. if they choose to stall the romantic part that would be fine with me too..however, Lois has been on the show for 4 years now, so i think there's a pretty good arguement to be made that 4 years later is not rushing it.


Which leaves what should they do about Chlark and Chloe.

romantic Chlark for me has not been an option since season 1...particularly over the last couple of seasons they have moved this relationship away from the romantic on Chloe's part and towards the BFF thing...and this is from her own words and actions. Clark has not made a romantic advance towards Chloe for a long, long time. they're best friends and we still see many scenes with both of them in it. to me that's pretty clear.


Now Clana existed in it's intense form with the Chlark frienship in place so I thought they might let Chlark friendship continue. But it seems evident to me now that they want to dump it in order for Clois to look more viable. If Lois was someone I could admire and they had Chloe move in a different direction that was RESPECTFUL to her nature and her ambitions --- it would be easier. Instead, they've made her Mother Theresa and Mrs Jimmy Olson. What a lousy ending for a previously great character. Why on earth does she deserve such a poor conclusion to her story on Smallville. Put her with a hero (the random George dude we talk about). Let her be a free-lance reporter for magazines while being in the watchtower mode. But Jimmy? The comic relief and NOT-A-HERO geek? Why was this necessary? And as for making the Clois believable as a replacement partner for Clark in his adventures -- she is just so incompetent and unworthy as a partner for Clark IMO, it seems to me that they have to make Chloe look bad in order to give Lois a shot.

I guess if one is looking for a gold medal and ends up with what is perceived of as a bronze, i can understand soome people being upset. only thing is we don't know exactly how Chloe will end up and who it will be with, but i guess we'll see.


And my loathing of Lois has everything to do with her inherent nature and not the relationship. I know it's apparently ICONIC! to have her obnoxious and unethical. Doesn't mean I like it. And please note, I thought Lois had the right "potential" in S4 and even S5. The broader and broader they made her personality, the more arrogant without good cause --- the farther away from believability they went for me. If Lois's plot was not centered on her relationship with Clark and they had just upped her screen time with the even-greater emphasis on the qualities I hate --- I still wouldn't be able to watch her. It's her. I swear --- if they could just make her competent and tone down the obnoxious attitude she would be tolerable. As someone who supposedly grew up around the military, she certainly did not pick up on the concept of fragging. She wouldn't last long with that abrasive attitude.

Lois is not incompetent..to me that's a refrain that has become redundant and incorrect, although we should probably save that for the debate thread..hehe.. as for the other stuff, it's totally your right to not like the Lois Lane character and prefer Chloe and it's quite understandable..however, the story we are moving towards was written long before Chloe was created, and i don't think that is gonna change.



But... back to the question. Don'tCha asked if Chloe was still useful but then corrected it to be about the single episode. You've taken it back (like so many others) to Chloe's value to the show. To be honest, I would have much rather have had Chloe killed off in Odyssey than to have her turned into a shadow of her former self. Since they have chosen to keep her around, I think they've gutted her personality whenever Jimmy shows up and we now only see flashes of what made me a Chloe fan -- but they still kept her central to the plot. It's the way they are writing it.

actually i addressed the question of Chloe both in this episode and the show overall...however, i really have no idea how you can say they have gutted her personality. we just saw her stand up to Clark and get in his face, she is altruistically trying to help young meteor infected children, she told Tess to go fly a kite, and is in the midst of a compelling and complex plotline with Davis, Clark and Jimmy undoubtedly to be involved. you may not like some of the decisions they have made with respect to her profession and romantic choices, but to say they have 'gutted' her personality IMO is a gross overstatement not born out at all by the events of the show.

[Isabel14]

She clearly said she didn't want to mean that Chloe is needed for the rest of the season, so why are you all so concern? I mean is not gonna be like she will dissapear, she will be there and you can't do anything to change this. And I think everyone should have an opinion, so if it doesn't coincide with yours, you shouldn't start some kind of fight. Just tell your opinion and that's all.

[AndrewVDk]

Lois is now the love interest (which can easily become the female lead of the show) and also comic relief but because she's now the love intererst she has more of a seriousness to her character, she keeps having mini emotional meltdowns lol thats not comic relief in the slightest

I don't see Lois as a love interest at all! She had a few lightswithed moments, that's all! :cool:
Clark still has feelings for Lana, and we know that Clana is back
for the second half of the season! :D
Back on topic, Chloe was central in this episode, of course she was needed!
She's the lead female, we need her in every episode!

[Isabel14]

Lana will be only in 5 episodes, so I don't know how can they have a "relationship" just to end it in short time? I don't know why are you son concerning about Lois, I mean she loves Chloe and that should be the most important thing. I mean, Lois and Clark are not together yet, so just because she will someday be with Clark, you say about her being annoying and bad written. It doesn't make sense. Just respect the others.

[DontCha]

I don't see Lois as a love interest at all! She had a few lightswithed moments, that's all! :cool:
Clark still has feelings for Lana, and we know that Clana is back
for the second half of the season! :D
Back on topic, Chloe was central in this episode, of course she was needed!
She's the lead female, we need her in every episode!


you may not see it but she is.

lightswitched?

Lois has been sweet on him ever since Siren/Apocalypse season 7 not 8. She realized she had romantic feelings for Clark earlier than he's realized he has them for her. But he's now realized in Committed. He's going to be sweet on her from now on I can promise. They even have their own love theme. I dont know about you, but romantic feelings/attraction dont always build over time..they tend to just come out all of a sudden in most circumstances..YES even with people you've known as just a friend for ages so its "unrealistic" that this is happening to Lois/clark why?

he has no romantic feelings for Chloe, and Lana is no longer the love interest in Smallville she's back for like 5 episodes in the middle of the season and thats it..not long enough for her to be the love interest of the Season, not by a long shot.

she's clearly being used as a spanner in the works of Clois

[Black Panda]

Sue, She didnt help clark in the A-plot bar one tiny moment
Actually this is to me a quite significant point in this episode. We see the Brainiac influence interfearing with traditional Chlark investigative partnership. Over and over Chloe is declining to help Clark in his investigation and it is really frustrating to him.

While Chloe traditionally does have sympathy for the meteor infected, and it's silly to jump to the conclusion that a group member did it, it's weird that she just keeps stonewalling Clark.

This episode calls back to Persona very clearly. Chloe isn't Chloe here, and the deterioration of the Chlark partnership and it's negative effect on Clark is very much in evidence. Clark may not realize conciously precisely what is going on, but he can tell it's not right. This is very clearly a growing conflict this season.


I agree. I think this set up a Trust Triangle for Clark/Chloe/Doom. Kind of hard w/out Chloe in the middle.
Further, they partner Chloe up with Davis in a way that reminds us of how she was drawn to Clark, and how he relies on her emotionally. Now could he not only lose that, leaving him alone, but she might give that support to his enemy.


take Chloe away, and this episode loses a lot of it's emotional resonance.
Precisely. WHY is Clark going off the rails in his obsessive behavior? Because he can't help Chloe, and this relationship that has been the cornerstone of his emotional world for seasons is slipping away.

[Iluvgreen]

the whole, them trying to stay the same. it just put it out there in the clear blue sky. i guess. for me.

[Dustmite]

Well its the same difference IMO..

Asking if Lois was missed is basically asking if she was needed.

How? The two questions are not even remotely similar.


YES even with people you've known as just a friend for ages so its "unrealistic" that this is happening to Lois/clark why?

Because I've been told it's unrealistic for Chlark for years. If it's unrealistic for Chlark, it's unrealistic for Clois. Simple!

[Kalista]

This thread does seem kind of petty.

Pretty much.

[RedKRules]

Because I've been told it's unrealistic for Chlark for years. If it's unrealistic for Chlark, it's unrealistic for Clois. Simple!

hMMMMMMM Heyyyyyy Dusmite does that mean I have been a in LUNATIC WAGON for all these years????? Cooooooooooooll :lol:

[Dustmite]

Pretty much.

It doesn't matter. She's going to be in every episode regardless ;)


hMMMMMMM Heyyyyyy Dusmite does that mean I have been a in LUNATIC WAGON for all these years????? Cooooooooooooll

:lol:

Of course. We're crazy to think romantic love could blossom from a close and and trusting friendship ;)

[Kalista]

It doesn't matter. She's going to be in every episode regardless ;)



:lol:

Of course. We're crazy to think romantic love could blossom from a close and and trusting friendship ;)


Yeah, one that spans seven seasons with both characters in almost every episode. It's insane to think that a relationship we have seen progress onscreen (minus lightswitching) could mean anything more than friendship.:lol:

[RedKRules]

:lol: I knew itttttttttttttt!! :lol: ..... anyway was Chloe needed? Of she was and she always will ...... :)

[chlarkdeanlovee]

Anyone who thinks that Lois could ever be any more useful than Chloe need to open their eyes. Besides, what could Lois have done in this episode besides crack a lame joke or two? Chloe helped further Doomsday's storyline, and if she wasn't there, counseling those kids, there wouldn't be a list of people for Clark to take and therefore that shadow guy wouldn't have been caught. Chloe was needed, Lois was not, hence her not being in this episode.

[BULLITT]

We had to find out who "the village idiot" is.

[DontCha]

I never thought yall was crazy, as a matter of fact. I was waiting for it to happen in season 3 because it was friendship..but with Chlark it IS slightly different she loved him right off the bat.

[DontCha]

HA I like how that person deleted there post because they were bing downright rude about Lois, too bad a mod didnt see it



Anyone who thinks that Lois could ever be any more useful than Chloe need to open their eyes. Besides, what could Lois have done in this episode besides crack a lame joke or two? Chloe helped further Doomsday's storyline, and if she wasn't there, counseling those kids, there wouldn't be a list of people for Clark to take and therefore that shadow guy wouldn't have been caught. Chloe was needed, Lois was not, hence her not being in this episode.

she could have played the role Jimmy played.

[Kalista]

..but with Chlark it IS slightly different she loved him right off the bat.

According to some, Edlois was interested in Clark, right off the bat, in Crusade.

[DontCha]

She didnt love him, physical attraction is not love. There's a world of difference

[Kalista]

We had to find out who "the village idiot" is.

That person wasn't in this episode.

[JAMHEXXX]

No, Chloe was not needed in this episode. The computer that I am typing on could do her job, then some people could fall in love with the Clark/Davis/ HP 1897 media center edition (Chloe)triangle.

[Kalista]

She didnt love him, physical attraction is not love. There's a world of difference


How do you know that Chloe's love for Clark happened at first sight?

Are you saying that EDlois "feelings" stem from the initial physical attraction? That sounds familiar too.

[DontCha]

Well she kissed the boy when she first met him so..^^

well Lois found it hard not to look at his nether region, she was physically attracted to him, though I dont think her love stems just from that no. It stemmed when clark gave her that hug in Siren


That person wasn't in this episode.


and what makes lois an idiot?

seriously thjis bitterness is just becoming sickening..honestly

Because she got tazered when she ran desperately to help Chloe and because she went to fight Maxima?

so being brave for yourself and for those you love makes someone an idiot because?

because they're not running away and saving their own skin?

if this were Slytherin house I'd agree with you where the cowardly dwell, though they call it "cleverness"

Lois belongs in Gryffindor though

[BULLITT]

That person wasn't in this episode.
;)

[Kalista]

Well she kissed the boy when she first met him so..^^

I think that would fall under the category of physical attraction. No?

[Violet-Shadow]

Chloe was needed in this episode, IMO. TPTB have done a great job with the Chloe character overall but this episode really showed her development and, of course, her necessity to the plot line.

[chlarkdeanlovee]

she could have played the role Jimmy played.

I don't even remember Jimmy's scenes (except for the one with MM), so I can't argue that. But, I could say "Well, they didn't use Lois for those scenes, now did they? They used Jimmy." :D

[DontCha]

I think that would fall under the category of physical attraction. No?


not with children no,.

Children are not aware of their bodies but they are aware of emotions love, hate, like


Also you know what i find particularly amusing about this thread. just look through it..the TRUE colors are coming out

NO ONE is disrespecting chloe despite 38 people saying she's not needed, if people disliked her in the episode or if prople dislike her in general they go about sharing their opinions in a decent way no one is tearing her character apart, no one. If people dont like her they dont call her an idiot, they dont call her meaningless names with no substance they talk about things in a decent way...because they dont want to hurt the feelings of people who like her character.

this thread speaks volumes to me And i dont have time for this bitterness Im sorry.

[Kalista]

not with children no,.

Children are not aware of their bodies but they are aware of emotions love, hate,

They were in the eight grade so they were more like teenagers than children. Teenagers definitely know a thing or two about physical attraction.

[DontCha]

dotn they cut back to it this season, and they're kids and she kisses him?

she clearly loved him/had feelings for him in season 1 and 2.

she was heartbroken over and over again. That doesnt happen when you're just physically attracted to someone.

and i dont think you understand my point.

I for one dont believe lois loved him the moment she saw him, she found him attractive but that was it. This is not what caused her to love him/gain romantic feelings, what caused her to love him/gain romantic feelings was what happened in Siren

With Clark, it was what happened in instinct/committed.

[Violet-Shadow]

Also you know what i find particularly amusing about this thread. just look through it..the TRUE colors are coming out

NO ONE is disrespecting chloe despite 38 people saying she's not needed, if people disliked her in the episode or if prople dislike her in general they go about sharing their opinions in a decent way no one is tearing her character apart, no one. If people dont like her they dont call her an idiot, they dont call her meaningless names with no substance they talk about things in a decent way...because they dont want to hurt the feelings of people who like her character.

this thread speaks volumes to me And i dont have time for this bitterness Im sorry.

Yeah, there seems to be a bit of Lois-bashing happening, in a thread about whether or not CHLOE was needed. This is not a Chloe vs. Lois thread.

As I posted earlier, I think Chloe was needed. And I'm a Clois fan. Go figure. Without Chloe, the episode couldn't have developed the way that it did, IMO.

[Kalista]

dotn they cut back to it this season, and they're kids and she kisses him?

she clearly loved him/had feelings for him in season 1 and 2.

she was heartbroken over and over again. That doesnt happen when you're just physically attracted to someone.

We were talking about love at first sight or how Chloe felt when she and Clark first met. You said she loved Clark right away and I asked how we could possibly know that. More than likely, the feelings started from physical attraction.

That's why I asked what the difference was between the Crusade first meeting and Chlark's first meeting.

BACK ON TOPIC- Yes, Chloe is still useful and she is needed.

[BULLITT]

I think 'Doomsday' is either going to kill her, or protecting her will get Clark killed.
Clark killed in season final - rematch to build through next year?

[JAMHEXXX]

I have no problem with Chloe,, since my DVR has a fast forward button. She can harp on what ever she wants and I'll never know, man you gotta love technology.

[Kalista]

I have no problem with Chloe,, since my DVR has a fast forward button. She can harp on what ever she wants and I'll never know, man you gotta love technology.

Indeed. The FF button is a necessity for me this season.

[abbaspice1]

How? The two questions are not even remotely similar.



Because I've been told it's unrealistic for Chlark for years. If it's unrealistic for Chlark, it's unrealistic for Clois. Simple!

But you are forgetting one simple thing:

Lois and Clark are attracted to each other. Clark (if he has ever) is not attracted to Chloe in that way.

Anyhow to get back to the question: Chloe main reason for being in the show is being the person that Davis goes running to. Now, since they only met twice onscreen, why isn't people yelling LIGHTSWITCH over this?

The rest of the episode could have happened without Chloe.

But I will admit, I did like the fact that she told Clark "No" and her reasoning behind it.

[Kalista]

Anyhow to get back to the question: Chloe main reason for being in the show is being the person that Davis goes running to. Now, since they only met twice onscreen, why isn't people yelling LIGHTSWITCH over this?

Well, various interviews revealed that Chloe and Davis would have a strange pull towards one another. It's not meant to be a viable and lasting ship, so there is no need to see it as a lightswitch. We aren't supposed to be convinced that these two are falling in love. Their is some sort of mutual attraction based on the fact that they both have something Kryptonian within.

At this point, I'm not sure if Davis or Chloe understand their connection.

[lillie_poo_pod]

Now, since they only met twice onscreen, why isn't people yelling LIGHTSWITCH over this?

1) They didn't meet twice onscreen. In the 3 episodes Davis has been in they've met 8 times onscreen. 7 if you count the hospital scene and the Isis scene from this episode as 1.

2) It's not like Chloe couldn't stand the guy, saw him in a dress shirt one day, and fell in love.

[abbaspice1]

1) They didn't meet twice onscreen. In the 3 episodes Davis has been in they've met 8 times onscreen. 7 if you count the hospital scene and the Isis scene from this episode as 1.

2) It's not like Chloe couldn't stand the guy, saw him in a dress shirt one day, and fell in love.


And neither did Lois, if that is what you are hinting at.

And when I said twice, I should have said in 2 episodes.

It doesn't change the fact that Davis feels that he had only Chloe to turn to. After 2 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH.

[DontCha]

Well, various interviews revealed that Chloe and Davis would have a strange pull towards one another. It's not meant to be a viable and lasting ship, so there is no need to see it as a lightswitch. We aren't supposed to be convinced that these two are falling in love. Their is some sort of mutual attraction based on the fact that they both have something Kryptonian within.

At this point, I'm not sure if Davis or Chloe understand their connection.


its been revealed that lois and clark have a pull towards one another too.

which is a main factor in the comics I might add.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


1) They didn't meet twice onscreen. In the 3 episodes Davis has been in they've met 8 times onscreen. 7 if you count the hospital scene and the Isis scene from this episode as 1.

2) It's not like Chloe couldn't stand the guy, saw him in a dress shirt one day, and fell in love.

you actually think she fell in love with him there?

Are you ignoring what happened at the end of Odyssey? BEFORE Plastique, are you forgetting what happened in Siren, Apocalypse (RW) and Arctic..all BEFORE plastique?

Apocalypse was the moment she realized she had romantic feelings for clark and when you tie the end of season 7 in with the start of season 8 it was so obvious that it didnt just pop out of nowhere this season for Lois.

[abbaspice1]

^^^^ITA

IT amazes me that people keep claiming LIGHTSWITCH for Lois, yet there have been 4 SEASONS of episodes showing the build-up.

[Kalista]

And neither did Lois, if that is what you are hinting at.

And when I said twice, I should have said in 2 episodes.

It doesn't change the fact that Davis feels that he had only Chloe to turn to. After 2 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH.

Nope. Lightswitches are rampant this season but this isn't one of them, IMO.

Davis seems to be a loner and Chloe may be the only one who has shown an interest in him. I doubt that he has revealed these blackouts to anyone and seemd desperate to confide ins someone. So I think it is a combination of Davis' inner turmoil resulting from the blackouts, the fact that Chloe has shown him compassion, and the Kryptonian pull that makes this plausible. Davis has interacted with Chloe on more than two occasions. They spent time together in Plastique, Toxic and Prey increases their encounters.

Apparently, a handful of episodes is plenty of time to fall in wuv. ;)

[lillie_poo_pod]

And neither did Lois, if that is what you are hinting at.

And when I said twice, I should have said in 2 episodes.

It doesn't change the fact that Davis feels that he had only Chloe to turn to. After 2 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH.

Yes that's exactly what I'm hinting at. Okay fine, she fell in love with him in the span of 3 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH!! But this is not about Chloe's cousin so moving on...

Who else would he have turned to? He didn't know anyone else.

[DontCha]

exactly, its been attraction, friendship, banterung, closer friendship bantering, distinct sexual tension, banetrung by season 6 and and by the end of season 7 Lois started to get romantic feelings for clark..I mean come on since when does lois go all giddy when clark says she's a good friend.

[abbaspice1]

Yes that's exactly what I'm hinting at. Okay fine, she fell in love with him in the span of 3 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH!! But this is not about Chloe's cousin so moving on...

Who else would he have turned to? He didn't know anyone else.


Actually it was longer than 3 episodes. Longer than 1 season. Longer than 2 seasons. But maybe you didn't notice.

[DontCha]

Yes that's exactly what I'm hinting at. Okay fine, she fell in love with him in the span of 3 episodes. LIGHTSWITCH!! But this is not about Chloe's cousin so moving on...

Who else would he have turned to? He didn't know anyone else.

did you even watch Siren, Apocalypse, Arctic and Odyssey?

Lois has been rrealizing her feelings for clark over the span of 7 epsiodes with a months break in between. But the attraction/ underlining sexual tension has always been there between the two. And its still growing.

also lots of other offscreenville time this season.

Chloe has hardly met Davis

[lillie_poo_pod]

Actually it was longer than 3 episodes. Longer than 1 season. Longer than 2 seasons. But maybe you didn't notice.

Maybe I didn't notice because maybe it wasn't there. I didn't see any kind of build up to Chloe's cousin making oogly eyes at Clark this season all of a sudden. All I saw were piss poor anvils and a crap load of random guest character trying to force me to see that they have this oh so amazing bond and not the writers actually putting any effort into it and letting it develop on screen. NO I DIDN'T NOTICE.

But this is all just my opinion, like yours.

[DontCha]

MOD EDIT

[SueB]

Clark (if he has ever) is not attracted to Chloe in that way.

Gotta love revisionist history.

S1: Attracted enough to ask her out on a date to the formal.
S2: Attracted enough to make out with her when he was on RedK
S6: Attracted enough to say "I can't say I haven't thought about it".


Now, since they only met twice onscreen, why isn't people yelling LIGHTSWITCH over this?

I believe my exact words were "Ludicrous speed". It is totally rushed and the only rationale explanation is the Kryptonian attraction angle we've heard (squick).


IT amazes me that people keep claiming LIGHTSWITCH for Lois, yet there have been 4 SEASONS of episodes showing the build-up.

It amazes me anyone could be content with the treatment Clois has gotten as anything other than contrived and ham handed. While Lois and Clark may be end up together in the comic books up until S8 the producers have said they played up the brother and sister vibe with anvils. Sure, some could go moony-eyed over the anvils but the intended vibe was (per the producers) brother & sister. If they are "soulmates" in S8 with some strange attraction, it's out of the blue compared to previous years. Last year at this time she's sleeping with Grant and crabbing because Clark hadn't fixed her cable. Hardly the words of a soulmate. I do agree the lightswitch occurred with the "buy you a brew" shoulder punch. But this is not a slow build up. This year she's saying the words I love you after 5 episodes and there is no alien infection involved.


It's a pity this thread was started. With the exception of about two posts, this has been a predictable Chloe bashing and Chloe defense thread.

[lillie_poo_pod]

did you even watch Siren, Apocalypse, Arctic and Odyssey?

Lois has been rrealizing her feelings for clark over the span of 7 epsiodes with a months break in between. But the attraction/ underlining sexual tension has always been there between the two. And its still growing.

also lots of other offscreenville time this season.

Chloe has hardly met Davis
I watched all of those episodes and I saw nothing of her realizing her feeling for Clark. I don't really care at this point and this is not what the topic is about so I'm not going to discuss it any further.

How long has it been since Chloe met Davis according to the show? I'm not sure, but I'm sure they've had loads of offscreen time to get to know each other too.

[Lexgirl33]

[Mod Note] Again, keep this thread on topic or it will be closed.

[kris10]

i dont think that davis and chloe are lightswitching they were on it from the get go...so sorry gonna have to say thats not the same as going for 4 yrs then getting two twisted psychos to tell us they belong together now does it?

chloe and davis being hot for each other also has to do with the brainaic plot its in the comics so that would make it iconic//doomsday is attracted to all things kryptonian which includes a super brain created by a kryptonian....which currently inhabits chloe..

this episode would have been ridiculous without her...wouldnt have made any sense not to mention future episode set ups

[Kalista]

chloe and davis being hot for each other also has to do with the brainaic plot its in the comics so that would make it iconic//doomsday is attracted to all things kryptonian which includes a super brain created by a kryptonian....which currently inhabits chloe..

this episode would have been ridiculous without her...wouldnt have made any sense not to mention future episode set ups

Yes, she was needed for the Chloiac/Davis setup.

[ginevrakent]

Nope. Lightswitches are rampant this season but this isn't one of them, IMO.

Davis seems to be a loner and Chloe may be the only one who has shown an interest in him. I doubt that he has revealed these blackouts to anyone and seemd desperate to confide ins someone. So I think it is a combination of Davis' inner turmoil resulting from the blackouts, the fact that Chloe has shown him compassion, and the Kryptonian pull that makes this plausible. Davis has interacted with Chloe on more than two occasions. They spent time together in Plastique, Toxic and Prey increases their encounters.

Apparently, a handful of episodes is plenty of time to fall in wuv. ;)

The way you just described the Davis and Chloe connection/relationship as not lightswitchy seems to mirror Lois and Clark quite nicely. In Gone, Lois describes herself as "independent and self-sufficient." She is a loner in the sense that she, as Clark says, likes to "do things [her]self." She doesn't open up easily, and hates to show her emotions. Growing up without a mother, a strict father who wanted her to be a boy, and burdened with caring for her little sister, Lois took on the heavy burden of trying to be as much of a son and surrogate mother as she could from a very young age. She, like Davis, experienced a nomadic existence as a child, causing her to rarely put down roots long enough to make close friends.

Despite all of this, Clark shows her compassion and understanding. In Lucy, he sees a chink in Lois' armor when she tears up talking about her struggles as a young girl. He also sees how much she really cares about others. As stated on the show, he saw the "best in" her "even though" she, like Lucy, can "walk all over him." Lois noticed this compassion, as she has for years. She noticed that instead of her always having to be tough, he was there for her, saving her.

This brings us to another highlight of the Clois relationship, Exposed, in which Lois says that Clark didn't "have to come after her, but [he] always does." She knows she can count on him to care for her and bear with her. Thus, their relationship continued to grow, and in Siren reached another significant moment when Lois finally broke down in tears, seeking a comforting embrace, from Clark. This is something the tomboy, loner who could take care of herself wouldn't have been able to do a few years ago, but Clark's forbearance and compassion has touched her in a way that she never thought possible. She didn't even realize how much until she was challenged to reciprocate at the end of Apocalypse. This was a watershed moment in their relationship--a moment when the emotional tension was so heightened that it brought out Lois' patented defense mechanism, the arm punch. She grew more comfortable with this role, however, and by Arctic her experience in Siren was paralleled in Clark's grief over the loss of his relationship with Lana.

So if Chloe and Davis having a connection isn't a lightswitch, surely Clois does not deserve that label. The roots of their burgeoning romance was built up in previous seasons in an organic manner that makes sense and appears to be leading nicely into the mythos that spelled out the fateful nature of this couple.

That being said, I am hugely apologetic for getting off topic. To answer the question about whether Chloe was needed in Prey, I would say that she was. I like Chloe and she has always served a purpose on the show.

[DontCha]

Ok back on topic, Interesting how close the results are. I honeslty wasnt expecting that.

So Lois' cousin does have a lot of folks on this board who didnt like her in this episode and felt she was useless, I wish they would speak up a little bit though just to make this thread a bit more of an even debate.

[dlreinke]

Of course Chloe is needed! She is the heart or the show for me! I only watch for her. And Prey is the first episode i really watched with interest this season. :D

[SueB]

I'm letting the mods handle it or not.

[curiosity]

.There is never a need to justify the presence of either Clark or Chloe who will both be in all 22 episodes. Clark is the star but Chloe is the leading lady. IA leading lady is not the love interest so perhaps it is confusing people that the love interest is not always front and center. I know I'm thrill it is not for Prey.

But we love to discuss Chloe because it's fun. :)

[DontCha]

because people are entitled to have an opinion on Lois' cousin Sueb

and if its a negative opinion they dont deserve to feel as if they have to defend themselves or as if they are making a fight., its not gospel that everyone should think Lois' cousin is needed in this episode.

There are PLENTY of questions to be asked when it comes to Lois' Cousin's importance to the series because she is not a mythos character and has no place in Clark's future what so ever. So why are countless episodes being dedicated to someone who has nothing to do with Superman..which is endgame?

I like chloe and i want for her desperately to become something in the mythos linked in with Clark because it would feel as if she was just a meaningless character to me if she wasnr=t.

[curiosity]

So Lois' cousin does have a lot of folks on this board who didnt like her in this episode and felt she was useless, I wish they would speak up a little bit though just to make this thread a bit more of an even debate.

Some people will always feel Chloe isn't needed, but there are plently who do want to see her and they'll keep her there for that reason. I think without her the show would be less interesting. It's nice to see Clark thinking for himself for a change and even going against Chloe when she makes bad decisions.

I can see your point though, there was a lot of her in this episode. At least it wasn't Chloe/Jimmy scenes which are really boring.

[abbaspice1]

Yes, discuss not bash.

We can have discussion where we disagree without the name-calling. Whether we are talking about characters, actors, each other...when the name-calling starts, it is just bashing.

I think this issue can be discussed.

As I stated before, I think Chloe's biggest role int he episode had to deal with Davis and that whole set up. Other than that...eh.

However, I also said I LOVED Chloe in this episode. Was it necessary? Probably not. Did I enjoy it? YES.

There is a difference between the two.

[SueB]

because people are entitled to have an opinion on Lois' cousin Sueb

I dropped my post before you put yours up and I won't be continuing the debate.

[DontCha]

Some people will always feel Chloe isn't needed, but there are plently who do want to see her and they'll keep her there for that reason. I think without her the show would be less interesting. It's nice to see Clark thinking for himself for a change and even going against Chloe when she makes bad decisions.

I can see your point though, there was a lot of her in this episode. At least it wasn't Chloe/Jimmy scenes which are really boring.

I've always liked chloe, I agree There'd be no Smallville without her, it would be like buffy without Willow...BUT I've also always questioned her importance to the end of the sotry which is a stigma tahts been there since day one. She is not part of his future and so I wonder why so much time is being dedicated to someone who wont be there at the end of it all. And I have to admit i get a bit tired off everything revolving around Chloe when Lois is who is there in the end not her. So Lois needs to be built up equally with chloe in screen time, maybe not as a plot device yet but even as a simple love interest, its fine. Im glad Clark and Chloe are not so close this season though. I feel as if they're slowly breaking in the idea that they will not be part of eachother's lives in the future.

UNLESS they're doing something with her character which means she will be there, which i hope so because then i wont feel as if they've built up a well liked character just so she doesnt mean anything by the end of it all.

[lillie_poo_pod]

because people are entitled to have an opinion
I'm glad you realize that people are entitled to their own opinion. Just because they disagree with you on a certain subject, does not mean that didn't watch the episodes or as you put it "had their eyes and ears closed" on certain parts.

There are PLENTY of questions to be asked when it comes to Lois' Cousin's importance to the series because she is not a mythos character and has no place in Clark's future what so ever. So why are countless episodes being dedicated to someone who has nothing to do with Superman..which is endgame?
Thing is, Chloe's importance should not be questioned when it comes to this series because this is not the mythos. This is SMALLVILLE. She's been here from the beginning. And because this is TPTB own interpretation of the journey to Clark becoming Superman, Chloe will have some effect on who he becomes in the future. Regardless of her not being in the mythos.

[DontCha]

the show is not mythos, but its an alternate explanation to how things begin in the mythos..So it will ultimately end true to the mythos.

and engame was always:

Lex vs Clark which happened

Clois which is starting

and Superman which is starting

also all ties to Smallville are severed which is happening, Chloe is the last one left....and shelby.

I do honestly hope she has a large part in making him who he is, but I also feel as if Lois should be in all the episodes as the love intrest so it at least explains why clark kent is so obsessed with her when we first meet him and her inthe comics.

[curiosity]

I just wanted to add that it doesn't seem fair that we get Chloe in all episodes and have to do without Lois in some, but Lois is Clarks new love interest and maybe that's the reason they don't want to over do it. But if this is the last season, which I hope it isn't, that makes it upsetting to Lois fans that we're not getting enough Lois. I'm sure Chloe fans can relate.

Maybe Chloe will always be there because we all know Clark will marry Lois in the end, and Chloe is her cousin, which will make her Clark's cousin in law.

As long as we get lots of Clark I'm not going to complain too much. It's when they ditch Clark for Green Arrow, then I get really upset.

We can always hope for a season 9 so we'll see more Lois and more Lois and Clark, and still have room for Chloe.

[STFanatic]

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