Is it me or should this episode have been 8.3??

[blackcelebration]

I mean what did the others offer us?

Greenarrowville??

Maxma (or Spell 3)

Clois Chimmy shipping (who cares)


After the excellent first two I was kinda :mad: with the last three but now with this episode, which finally got to the point (Detective John Jones, Clark being more Superman, Doomsday is coming, forming of the Leigon of Doom).

I'm kinda wishing that Tollie never happened (I mean who cares + thank God she ditched him anyway so we never need to mention that again).

Plus NO ENFORCED CLOIS PLEASE.

So let's just pretend that so far this season we've had:

8.1 Odysey
8.2 Plastic
8.3 Prey

:D Oh am in happy place. :lol:

[Clana4Life]

I pretty much agree with everything you said. Could have done without the last two episodes. This episode was the best this season. Heck, it might be up there with the best of all time. Let's hope they continue in this direction - less Clois, less Green Arrow, less pointeless Marvel (or DC, I can never remember which) comic characters like Maxima. Give me more Clark-Superman,Chlavis and a dose of MM.

[last man of krypton]

I agree. Given Clark's desire to be a proactive help in this episode, which he first mentioned in the season premiere, it seems weird that he had a 3-episode lull only to suddenly jump back into destiny-mode.

[Firebunny]

I agree about Tollie, I have no interest in it. But I'm afraid we haven't seen the last of it. As long as it doesn't take up too much screentime I won't complain.

And I think I'd accept the Clois more if it wasn't forced down our throats with a fist. They should have let it build naturally (without stupid plot devices like alien sex goddesses and lie detector tests), like they're building the Chloe/Davis relationship.

I don't mind filler episodes so much, as long as they're fun and well written (which the last two weren't), but Prey definitely feels like it's an important ep for the season and that just makes it more memorable.

[Mr.Magic]

I am probably going to get a lot of flak for this, but I disagree.

The episode fits perfect where it is. It's the first episode without Lois, and she isn't just gone *poof*, she's still avoiding CK.

[Cyn]

I liked this episode, but it didn't thrill me. I thought Clark's obsession seemed a bit forced and that jump was kind of cheesey. Also, I had the second villian pegged about 2 seconds after freak chick called him PocketProtector. I LOVED MM and enjoyed both Chloe & Jimmy's interactions with Davis, but I thought Clark was kind of a jerk in this episode. I missed Lois. I think she would have put the smackdown on jerkish Clark.

[cksidekick]

I agree. Given Clark's desire to be a proactive help in this episode, which he first mentioned in the season premiere, it seems weird that he had a 3-episode lull only to suddenly jump back into destiny-mode.


i would suggest that he didn't jump BACK into destiny mode...the nature of the murders he was investigating just put him into overdrive...it kept getting worse until it came to a head in this epi...then he learned to step back and take a deep breath...to keep it all in perspective...:)

[AgentChaos]

Well, Toxic can stay, but dump Instinct and Committed.

[Imzadia]

I liked this episode, but it didn't thrill me. I thought Clark's obsession seemed a bit forced and that jump was kind of cheesey. Also, I had the second villian pegged about 2 seconds after freak chick called him PocketProtector. I LOVED MM and enjoyed both Chloe & Jimmy's interactions with Davis, but I thought Clark was kind of a jerk in this episode. I missed Lois. I think she would have put the smackdown on jerkish Clark.

;) IMO, it seemed that Clark was Intentionally written to be a 'jerk' in this particular episode, which is, as you suggested, Why Lois wasn't in this episode. (She's avoiding Clark. :lol:) She certainly would've "busted his chops" for his Obtrusive behavior, especially toward Chloe, IF she was privvy to his 'Secret'. :\ However, I also beleive that Chloe should've trusted Clark above All others. She appeared to be biased because of her own meteor infection, or whatever-the-Brainiac is going on with her. :confused:

:cool: You must have noticed that Clark recognized the Error of his behavior, humbled himself, and went to Chloe and apologized with an attitude of Repentence. He reassured her how much he still cares about her and also pointed out to her what worries him about her. Wasn't it only at the end of last week's episode that when Lois went to Chloe to apologize to her for her behavior at the engagement party, they Really talked and Lois finally believed that Chloe really loved Jimmy and then also admitted to her that Clark had told her so, and was Right afterall? Chloe's response to her was that "Clark usually IS right, and that she should get used to it". ;)

:rolleyes: We should have ALL learned by now and Accepted, because Smallville has shown us with its ReInterpretation of the CK/Superman story, that Clark Is Emotionally human, so we must allow him to learn from his mistakes. He won't Always be able to afford to make mistakes, and we know he'll learn that, too, but I'm sure he'll 'mess up' again before he Finally gets it right, IMO. :\ :D

[costas22]

I don't think that there has been an episode in season 8 that should be dumped.None of them were fillers.Each one,more or less,developed the characters of the show.I know that many people would love to have a season full of episodes like Prey and Plastique where the main focus is Clark embracing his destiny.I am among them.But it is good once in a while to deliver different kinds of episodes that help keep the show fresh.It was nice to have a romance-heavy episode this early in this season where the darkness of the pending stories hasn't crept in yet.I am not sure that airing two romantic episodes back to back was a good idea though.In that sense,i can understand where blackcelebration is coming from.However,all in all we should be quite happy with this season.It has been the best since the first half of season 5.

[curiosity]

I think they might have saved the really great episodes for their big cable dispute.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm going to have to disagree. I think it was where it should be. One, I wouldn't want them to start the "Davis is the killing monster" story so early in the season (I had actually hoped they would have waited even longer, but whatever). Two, I wouldn't want to give up episodes 3-5. IMO, they were all good, and offered us something different. "Toxic" gave us more insight into Ollie's character, which is needed since he's going to have a larger presence this season, "Maxima" gave us an interesting new DC character that will hopefully come back, and "Committed" gave us great Clark and Lois undercover work. And the last two also gave us more humor and Clois, which I'm not complaining about. :)

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I agree. Given Clark's desire to be a proactive help in this episode, which he first mentioned in the season premiere, it seems weird that he had a 3-episode lull only to suddenly jump back into destiny-mode.

Huh? He was still going out and saving people, and helping people in 3-5, it just wasn't given as much onscreen importance as it had in "Prey."

[kryptolad]

No, it fits right where it should (Mainly because the first letter of each season eight title spells OPTIC. Coincidence? I think not. BRING ON THE GLASSES!).

[SalvadorianGirl]

It fits where it belongs. The better question is was Instinct and Committed needed? No because all they were was shipper episodes which adds nothing to to plot that seems to be Brainaic/Doomsday.

[oqllcksmallville]

sometimes shipper episodes are good . = )
i mean how would you feel ,
if ALL we had was " destiny " episode's OVER and OVER again ,
cause if they go at that rate ,
we'll be into Clark's destiny not showing the origin of it .

[last man of krypton]

Huh? He was still going out and saving people, and helping people in 3-5, it just wasn't given as much onscreen importance as it had in "Prey."

He was only saving Chloe & Jimmy, whose dilemma he merely happened to stumble into. Bear in mind that there were a number of couples that had disappeared under similar circumstances which he hadn't even noticed.

[oqllcksmallville]

.. it's hard to notice ,
since he wasn't mointoring police radios at that time .
like something ,
and someone ,
has to bring it to your attention , right ?

[SalvadorianGirl]

sometimes shipper episodes are good . = )
i mean how would you feel ,
if ALL we had was " destiny " episode's OVER and OVER again ,
cause if they go at that rate ,
we'll be into Clark's destiny not showing the origin of it .

Far better a show that doesn't resort my mind to badly overdone soap operas.

[cksidekick]

sometimes shipper episodes are good . = )
i mean how would you feel ,
if ALL we had was " destiny " episode's OVER and OVER again ,
cause if they go at that rate ,
we'll be into Clark's destiny not showing the origin of it .

i agree...sometimes it is nice to just step back and go on a random Superman adventure (especially when it's a Clois team up with a touch of Jimmy Olsen) ...not every episode has to shoot Clark out of a cannon in the general direction of his ultimate destiny...:)

[Kal-ed]

thankfully, the casual viewer, who stands for the majority of the viewership disagree with you

[ClarkyBoy14]

It fits where it belongs. The better question is was Instinct and Committed needed? No because all they were was shipper episodes which adds nothing to to plot that seems to be Brainaic/Doomsday.

I have the feeling you wouldn't be saying the same thing if Clark and Chloe had been growing closer together as a couple in "Instinct" and "Committed." ;) :p

I thought they were good episodes.

[blackcelebration]

;) IMO, it seemed that Clark was Intentionally written to be a 'jerk' in this particular episode, which is, as you suggested, Why Lois wasn't in this episode. (She's avoiding Clark. :lol:) She certainly would've "busted his chops" for his Obtrusive behavior, especially toward Chloe, IF she was privvy to his 'Secret'. :\ However, I also beleive that Chloe should've trusted Clark above All others. She appeared to be biased because of her own meteor infection, or whatever-the-Brainiac is going on with her. :confused:

True.


:cool: You must have noticed that Clark recognized the Error of his behavior, humbled himself, and went to Chloe and apologized with an attitude of Repentence. He reassured her how much he still cares about her and also pointed out to her what worries him about her. Wasn't it only at the end of last week's episode that when Lois went to Chloe to apologize to her for her behavior at the engagement party, they Really talked and Lois finally believed that Chloe really loved Jimmy and then also admitted to her that Clark had told her so, and was Right afterall? Chloe's response to her was that "Clark usually IS right, and that she should get used to it". ;)

Yeah but do we really need a whole episode just to ship Chimmy?? Sorry but who cares?

Granted I'll admit that relationships are important to any show but not to the point where they become out of character soap opera style romps


:rolleyes: We should have ALL learned by now and Accepted, because Smallville has shown us with its ReInterpretation of the CK/Superman story, that Clark Is Emotionally human, so we must allow him to learn from his mistakes. He won't Always be able to afford to make mistakes, and we know he'll learn that, too, but I'm sure he'll 'mess up' again before he Finally gets it right, IMO. :\ :D

True, I'm not sure if you're for or against the subject of this thread but anyway they've basically wasted three episodes on subjects (Greenarrowvlle, MAXIMA PROMOTES CLOIS, Chimmy) that are not going to have any real barings on Clark becoming Superman.

Now I'm not against Clois (The way they did it in Plastic was awesome) it's just ever since they've been forcing it down our throats so much with this "It's destiny" rubbish that I'm starting really puke, or at worst have the same hatred I did for Clana.

[Tatiana]

I have to disagree I loved the episode with Maxima, it was sexy and it showed to Clark there are other beings in other galaxies that he could be fighting too, also it started to stage the whole thing between him and Lois, it made her realize her feelings even more. What can I say about Committed? I loved it, the Chimmy wasn't so much my ideal topic but it brought to light Lois' feelings, and all their scenes together were awesome. So for me the only pointless episode was Toxic cuz i don't really care much for Green Arrow, I mean Justin is cool and everything but I care more about Clark fulfilling his destiny and also his relationship with Lois, so far though I have loved this season

[ClarkyBoy14]

Not every aspect of the show necessarily HAS to do with Clark's destiny. #3-5 were setting up stories. "Toxic" - Set up Green Arrow's story. Not just his downward spiral after he learned about Lionel killing his parents, but also established that he and Tess have history. "Instinct" and "Committed" - worked on Clark and Clark & Lois as reporters, worked on the Clois, Chlavis, and Chimmy ships, and set up the "X"/crystal mystery.

No, those episodes weren't absolutely NEEDED, but, IMO, they were entertaining. And isn't that the point of television? To entertain us?

[Feldmm1]

Although I think they should have had one or two more scenes with Davis in alleys (like in Plastique) and stuff like that in the previous episodes to give us a teaser, this episode was fine where is was. The episodes were entertaining, for character development, and moved along some other subplots, such as Tess (not really a subplot), Chloe/Jimmy, Oliver, etc.

[Genny]

sorry guys but I have to disagree, I loved Instinct and I loved Committed, I really didn't care for Toxic, but I liked that it gave more backstory for Oliver. I really like the way this season is progressing and I don't think Clois is being forced down our throats. I also loved this episode. I think the writers are doing an awesome job with this season and all the episodes have developed the storylines for all the characters in my opinion.

[davidbrenton]

Yes, this episode would have been a perfect 8.3 episode. However, I think Chloe's link to Doomsday played out moreso and wouldn't have withstood the 8.5 episode had it been that way.

They could have completely taken out episode 8.3 as it served no concrete purpose whatsoever. They Tess/Ollie link could have been implied and been utilized all the better for it.

[Kevin24]

I have enjoyed Season 1 episode One - Season 8 episode Six :)

[Khyla]

So let's just pretend that so far this season we've had:

8.1 Odysey
8.2 Plastic
8.3 Prey



I'm good with that! :)

(Though there were a few scenes I enjoyed in the others. I think all of the episodes had both good and bad parts :\, But Odyssey and Prey were all good. :) )

[biggkoz]

Its all typical smallville fashion. Start out with a good season opener and then instantly go off into some random subjects that dont relate to the first episode and forget everything happen there.

[kris10]

gimme more of prey!

[last man of krypton]

.. it's hard to notice ,
since he wasn't mointoring police radios at that time .
like something ,
and someone ,
has to bring it to your attention , right ?

No, he wasn't monitoring police radios. But he works at a MAJOR Metropolitan NEWSPAPER, so something such as a recent bout of kidnappings should've got his attention if he was remotely trying to go out and save people.

[Black Panda]

It fits where it belongs. The better question is was Instinct and Committed needed? No because all they were was shipper episodes which adds nothing to to plot that seems to be Brainaic/Doomsday.
The previous episodes have built up why Clark and Chloe are growing more distant, they have grown the influence of Brainiac over Chloe's behavior, and shown a growing effort to drive Clark and Chloe apart. This ship is important, and they have been tearing it down.

We've been given a lot of reminders of Chloe and Clark's history, and we've been setting up the alternatives to continuing that relationship (Lois, Davis, Jimmy). It all outlines the conflict which starts to come to breaking point in this episode, and will surely come up again. It's about the build of the Brainiac plot to break Clark by breaking his partnership.

I agree they felt forced and artificial. That was mostly the Lois stuff. You'd think they could do the set up with better work.

[Kal-ed]

This is getting absurd, just cause people dont like the plot being developed doesnt mean an episode was pointless, furthermore, the uber-main plot, which is Clark progresing towards becoming Superman advanced, as well as the Clois arc, people are free to hate that plot but it doesnt make it any less relevant.

Im sorry that some people cant enjoy the clois but its not even about that anymore, Toxic, Commited and Instict had Clark´s development adavanced, he´s proactiveness as well as his ability to sort out things for himself, he´s heroics have progressed through all the episodes (even Toxic which I didnt like) to the point of obsession which I think opens up for a nother very interesting subplot about him figuring out that he cant save everyone and learning to deal with it.

I think people can like, hate or be indiferent to an episode, that doesnt make it more or less usefull, what defines that is the progeression and in this case, people´s personal opinions aside, at least 5 arcs where progressed, Clois (like it or not, beliveable or not its an arc) Clark becoming more independent and proactive (which is, above any A plots the main point of the series) and Chimmy (personally I hate chimmy but its an arc non the less) Ollie´s arc and finally Tess´s arc.

So slam the episodes at will, hate them and post opinions on this forum about it; how ever that doesnt make Toxic (which again, I hated) Instinct and Commited any less or more valuable in the grand scheem of things.

[ClarkyBoy14]

This is getting absurd, just cause people dont like the plot being developed doesnt mean an episode was pointless, furthermore, the uber-main plot, which is Clark progresing towards becoming Superman advanced, as well as the Clois arc, people are free to hate that plot but it doesnt make it any less relevant.

Im sorry that some people cant enjoy the clois but its not even about that anymore, Toxic, Commited and Instict had Clark´s development adavanced, he´s proactiveness as well as his ability to sort out things for himself, he´s heroics have progressed through all the episodes (even Toxic which I didnt like) to the point of obsession which I think opens up for a nother very interesting subplot about him figuring out that he cant save everyone and learning to deal with it.

I think people can like, hate or be indiferent to an episode, that doesnt make it more or less usefull, what defines that is the progeression and in this case, people´s personal opinions aside, at least 5 arcs where progressed, Clois (like it or not, beliveable or not its an arc) Clark becoming more independent and proactive (which is, above any A plots the main point of the series) and Chimmy (personally I hate chimmy but its an arc non the less) Ollie´s arc and finally Tess´s arc.

So slam the episodes at will, hate them and post opinions on this forum about it; how ever that doesnt make Toxic (which again, I hated) Instinct and Commited any less or more valuable in the grand scheem of things.

Very well stated.

[Cyn]

This is getting absurd, just cause people dont like the plot being developed doesnt mean an episode was pointless, furthermore, the uber-main plot, which is Clark progresing towards becoming Superman advanced, as well as the Clois arc, people are free to hate that plot but it doesnt make it any less relevant.

Im sorry that some people cant enjoy the clois but its not even about that anymore, Toxic, Commited and Instict had Clark´s development adavanced, he´s proactiveness as well as his ability to sort out things for himself, he´s heroics have progressed through all the episodes (even Toxic which I didnt like) to the point of obsession which I think opens up for a nother very interesting subplot about him figuring out that he cant save everyone and learning to deal with it.

I think people can like, hate or be indiferent to an episode, that doesnt make it more or less usefull, what defines that is the progeression and in this case, people´s personal opinions aside, at least 5 arcs where progressed, Clois (like it or not, beliveable or not its an arc) Clark becoming more independent and proactive (which is, above any A plots the main point of the series) and Chimmy (personally I hate chimmy but its an arc non the less) Ollie´s arc and finally Tess´s arc.

So slam the episodes at will, hate them and post opinions on this forum about it; how ever that doesnt make Toxic (which again, I hated) Instinct and Commited any less or more valuable in the grand scheem of things.

I have to agree. All of the episodes aired this season have advanced the overall plots. Just because I really wished Chloe had died in season 1 doesn't mean she didn't have any relavance this season. She has actually continued the forward progression of Clark toward Superman. Of course, she has also contributed to the Davis becoming Doomsday..Okay, I'm shutting up now. LOL!

[old guy]

I mean what did the others offer us?

Greenarrowville??

Maxma (or Spell 3)

Clois Chimmy shipping (who cares)


After the excellent first two I was kinda :mad: with the last three but now with this episode, which finally got to the point (Detective John Jones, Clark being more Superman, Doomsday is coming, forming of the Leigon of Doom).

I'm kinda wishing that Tollie never happened (I mean who cares + thank God she ditched him anyway so we never need to mention that again).

Plus NO ENFORCED CLOIS PLEASE.

So let's just pretend that so far this season we've had:

8.1 Odysey
8.2 Plastic
8.3 Prey

:D Oh am in happy place. :lol:

I see where you are coming from, but I don't entirely agree. I'l admit that Toxic was sort of a "where the heck did that come from" episode for me, but I think that Instinct and Committed still did sort of fit with the general theme of Clark's journey to Superman. I tend to like the episodes that clearly advance that general theme. The whole Tollie arc doesn't do that for me. But while Maxima isn't my favorite DC character, she is someone from the Superman mythos so I'm OK with that. And I understand that Lois and Clark will eventually end up together (although I was always a Chlarker at heart). So seeing some movement in that direction still fits with the general theme for me - as long as the relationship doesn't seem forced or shoved down my throat.

But the episodes that really seem to rev my engine are the ones that are tightly focused on the "Clark becomes Superman" theme. That means dealing with the responsibilities and challenges of being a "god among men", episodes that has Clark working with Justice Leaguers instead of in spite of them, a healthy dose of MM, the Doomsday arc, and the occasional acknowledgement that Lois and Clark were meant to be together. And I don't mind an occasional episode on other DC characters from Superman's future such as Plastique and Maxima.

[xrayvision]

I liked this episode, but it didn't thrill me. I thought Clark's obsession seemed a bit forced and that jump was kind of cheesey. Also, I had the second villian pegged about 2 seconds after freak chick called him PocketProtector. I LOVED MM and enjoyed both Chloe & Jimmy's interactions with Davis, but I thought Clark was kind of a jerk in this episode. I missed Lois. I think she would have put the smackdown on jerkish Clark.

I still don't understand why people are calling it an obsession. Clark is through messing around and wants to protect people. Yeah, I know it's very sudden, but this is what we should have been getting for years now. And I don't think he was a jerk. He saw very disturbing/chilling videos of a serial killer committing inhuman-like murders and wanted to find the killer before any more murders were committed. He was rash in some instances, but I don't blame him given the circumstances. This was a very much needed step he needed to take before he becomes Superman, because he will learn how to save people without the rash behavior & without having to resort to steal evidence or look into private records.

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I have to agree. All of the episodes aired this season have advanced the overall plots. Just because I really wished Chloe had died in season 1 doesn't mean she didn't have any relavance this season. She has actually continued the forward progression of Clark toward Superman. Of course, she has also contributed to the Davis becoming Doomsday..Okay, I'm shutting up now. LOL!

Actually, I think the way her character was used in seasons 5-7 seriously impeded Clark's progression towards becoming Superman. I liked her the best in the first 4 seasons and like her much better this season (though I despised her comment to Clark in Prey).

[ginnyfan]

I think that we needed the time that "Committed" and "Instinct" provided to resolve season 7 and set up the characters and relationships for season 8. Now we know who everyone is and where they stand with each other heading into the central plot focused episodes like "Prey."

[blackcelebration]

This is getting absurd, just cause people dont like the plot being developed doesnt mean an episode was pointless, furthermore, the uber-main plot, which is Clark progresing towards becoming Superman advanced, as well as the Clois arc, people are free to hate that plot but it doesnt make it any less relevant.

Yeah but for those other episodes there was nothing really developed other than Ollie was trapped on an Island, Maxima is hot and Chloe loves Jimmy (Woah, never saw that coming). Whilst if this HAD been the third episode they could have placed snippits here and there instead of wasting 240 minutes of my life with this Soap Opera garbage.


Im sorry that some people cant enjoy the clois but its not even about that anymore, Toxic, Commited and Instict had Clark´s development adavanced, he´s proactiveness as well as his ability to sort out things for himself, he´s heroics have progressed through all the episodes (even Toxic which I didnt like) to the point of obsession which I think opens up for a nother very interesting subplot about him figuring out that he cant save everyone and learning to deal with it.

It's not about not liking Clois it's how it's being forced down our throats.

Eg.

Maxima's bull crap about how Lois and Clark are destined.

Lois admits she loves Clark.

Ok if this was episode 20 I could buy it BUT THIS WAS EPISODE FIVE.

And don't give me this oh she's been around since season four crap either.

LOIS HAS DATED

Aquaman
Ollie (was quite serious, hell in Toxic she admitted to still having feelings- whatever)
and Lex's clone brother (I've forgotten his name, cos he was such a dunce as a character)

So don't tell me that while she was dating all those guys that she always had Clark at the back of her mind.


I think people can like, hate or be indiferent to an episode, that doesnt make it more or less usefull, what defines that is the progeression and in this case, people´s personal opinions aside, at least 5 arcs where progressed, Clois (like it or not, beliveable or not its an arc) Clark becoming more independent and proactive (which is, above any A plots the main point of the series) and Chimmy (personally I hate chimmy but its an arc non the less) Ollie´s arc and finally Tess´s arc.

But did it really progress anything??

The answer is a simple, No.

You could skip all those episodes and start with Prey as 8.3 and it would affect nothing (meaning that the other three were just pointless to the overal season.




So slam the episodes at will, hate them and post opinions on this forum about it; how ever that doesnt make Toxic (which again, I hated) Instinct and Commited any less or more valuable in the grand scheem of things.

Well, as I stated before they're actually useless and offer nothing to the overal scheme of things.

[stenochick]

No, he wasn't monitoring police radios. But he works at a MAJOR Metropolitan NEWSPAPER, so something such as a recent bout of kidnappings should've got his attention if he was remotely trying to go out and save people.

Good point. Also, as early as Toxic, Lois was submitting stories to Tess on "Smallville's own Jack the Ripper." If a serial killer was on Lois' radar why wasn't it on Clark's?

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This is getting absurd, just cause people dont like the plot being developed doesnt mean an episode was pointless, furthermore, the uber-main plot, which is Clark progresing towards becoming Superman advanced, as well as the Clois arc, people are free to hate that plot but it doesnt make it any less relevant.

Im sorry that some people cant enjoy the clois but its not even about that anymore, Toxic, Commited and Instict had Clark´s development adavanced, he´s proactiveness as well as his ability to sort out things for himself, he´s heroics have progressed through all the episodes (even Toxic which I didnt like) to the point of obsession which I think opens up for a nother very interesting subplot about him figuring out that he cant save everyone and learning to deal with it.

I think people can like, hate or be indiferent to an episode, that doesnt make it more or less usefull, what defines that is the progeression and in this case, people´s personal opinions aside, at least 5 arcs where progressed, Clois (like it or not, beliveable or not its an arc) Clark becoming more independent and proactive (which is, above any A plots the main point of the series) and Chimmy (personally I hate chimmy but its an arc non the less) Ollie´s arc and finally Tess´s arc.

So slam the episodes at will, hate them and post opinions on this forum about it; how ever that doesnt make Toxic (which again, I hated) Instinct and Commited any less or more valuable in the grand scheem of things.

I agree. "Clois" is as much destiny as Clark becoming Superman. I like watching the attraction develop as much as I enjoy watching a proactive Clark find his place in the world.

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I still don't understand why people are calling it an obsession. Clark is through messing around and wants to protect people. Yeah, I know it's very sudden, but this is what we should have been getting for years now. And I don't think he was a jerk. He saw very disturbing/chilling videos of a serial killer committing inhuman-like murders and wanted to find the killer before any more murders were committed. He was rash in some instances, but I don't blame him given the circumstances. This was a very much needed step he needed to take before he becomes Superman, because he will learn how to save people without the rash behavior & without having to resort to steal evidence or look into private records.


IMO, his reaction in Prey, ie, his obsession, is totally normal for someone in his situation. When you open yourself up completely to other people's pain and suffering like that, whether you are a social worker, first responder, law enforcement, ER doctor, etc., you get really obsessive at first. Then, if you don't get burned out and quit, you learn to develop balance and perspective and create your own support system to put you back together again.

[eas]

I mean what did the others offer us?

Greenarrowville??

Maxma (or Spell 3)

Clois Chimmy shipping (who cares)


After the excellent first two I was kinda :mad: with the last three but now with this episode, which finally got to the point (Detective John Jones, Clark being more Superman, Doomsday is coming, forming of the Leigon of Doom).

I'm kinda wishing that Tollie never happened (I mean who cares + thank God she ditched him anyway so we never need to mention that again).

Plus NO ENFORCED CLOIS PLEASE.

So let's just pretend that so far this season we've had:

8.1 Odysey
8.2 Plastic
8.3 Prey

:D Oh am in happy place. :lol:

It'll come as no surprise, but I completely disagree.

One of the major reasons why "SV" has failed over the past few years is because it was very dark and had lost it's sense of "fun" and the special magic that comes with the Superman story.

The Superman mythos is not a place that is full of death and destruction and angst. It's a fun, innocent, and hopeful place.

All the episode you think are filler are actually part of what has made Superman endure for over 70 years. The playful nature of the Clark and Lois relationship. The tongue in cheek bantering and flirtation. Clark's link to humanity and the very human experiences he has as Clark Kent are part of what makes him Superman and the very super-hero that you were rooting for in the episode you DID like. Why do you even feel for this man? Because of the episodes where we explore the very human side of his life... the small frustrations and issues... his relationships with people. His fears and insecurities (including the fear that he'll never have a normal relationship with a woman).

To enjoy episodes like "Prey" you need those sorts of episodes. It cannot be all angst and torture all the time. If that was the case, then we'd be watching a show about Batman.

And, furthermore, Clark actually developed and learned during those episodes. We saw him grow, as a hero and a person. He can do that without angst & that's what those episodes gave us -- and that's what I like the most about "SV" and Superman. He can learn without being tortured... Clark can grow without falling into mope mode.

And, also, it'll come as no surprise that I enjoyed those episodes because they progressed the story about Clark and Lois Lane. Lois Lane will be his wife one day, and I - for one - would LOVE to see how that comes about. That's a huge part of Clark's story and this is about HIM, after all. How can it be filler, when the Clark Kent/Lois Lane relationship is one of the most famous things about the Superman mythos??

[geminis]

I have enjoyed Season 1 episode One - Season 8 episode Six :)

Ditto; and I'm sure I'll enjoy the rest of the season as well.

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It'll come as no surprise, but I completely disagree.

One of the major reasons why "SV" has failed over the past few years is because it was very dark and had lost it's sense of "fun" and the special magic that comes with the Superman story.

The Superman mythos is not a place that is full of death and destruction and angst. It's a fun, innocent, and hopeful place.

All the episode you think are filler are actually part of what has made Superman endure for over 70 years. The playful nature of the Clark and Lois relationship. The tongue in cheek bantering and flirtation. Clark's link to humanity and the very human experiences he has as Clark Kent are part of what makes him Superman and the very super-hero that you were rooting for in the episode you DID like. Why do you even feel for this man? Because of the episodes where we explore the very human side of his life... the small frustrations and issues... his relationships with people. His fears and insecurities (including the fear that he'll never have a normal relationship with a woman).

To enjoy episodes like "Prey" you need those sorts of episodes. It cannot be all angst and torture all the time. If that was the case, then we'd be watching a show about Batman.

And, furthermore, Clark actually developed and learned during those episodes. We saw him grow, as a hero and a person. He can do that without angst & that's what those episodes gave us -- and that's what I like the most about "SV" and Superman. He can learn without being tortured... Clark can grow without falling into mope mode.

And, also, it'll come as no surprise that I enjoyed those episodes because they progressed the story about Clark and Lois Lane. Lois Lane will be his wife one day, and I - for one - would LOVE to see how that comes about. That's a huge part of Clark's story and this is about HIM, after all. How can it be filler, when the Clark Kent/Lois Lane relationship is one of the most famous things about the Superman mythos??


Practically perfect post in every way. I always miss Clark and Lois on episodes when they are not on but they can't be on 100% of the time. Plus, with episodes dealing with other characters we get a more fully fleshed out world view. Nobody anticipated how much Chloe and Lionel would be loved and appreciated before Smallville started. Now, they are both beloved characters and it would be impossible to erase them from Smallville history. And we get to see nascent Justice League members interacting with Clark as well. I wouldn't begrudge anybody their time on Smallville; it has been one heck of a rollercoaster ride.

[justme_007]

totally agree with this post!

[Lilah]

I never noticed the OPTIC acronym but hey BRING IT ON! I've been waiting for that. LOL. But I think every episode has been placed in the right spot. Especially since it's the first time Lois Lane was not in this episode. And for the first time she just didn't disappear like they've been doing to her character since she got on the show. After 'Instinct' and 'Committed' she is avoiding Clark. Remember Clois is the one ship you can whine about all you want but it's going to have to happen eventually. Lois Lane is just a big part of Clark's destiny almost as much as Superman is. I really like how they've been building their romance. How much slower could you have wanted it to go? Seriously, she's been on the show since season 4 and it wasn't until MAYBE season 6 that they really dived into the realm of possibility for those two. Personally, I am so over Clana and I almost don't want her to return. But I think she has to in order to finish her character arc. And the Chlark ship definitely has no foundation at all. It's really just wishful thinking. Of course I don't want Chloe to end up depressed and alone, she's one of my favorite characters on the show besides the obvious Clark and Lois, but she's got a REALLY good thing with Jimmy. So no. I think for the first time the writers have a really strong season. It started off amazing and every episode has been great and has something to do with the Superman mythology one way or another. Whether he is investigating for the Daily Planet, or saving lives or even falling in love with Lois Lane. IT'S ALL PART OF HIS DESTINY.:)

[individuall]

^Welcome to ksite Lilah :D

[geminis]

I never noticed the OPTIC acronym but hey BRING IT ON! I've been waiting for that. LOL. But I think every episode has been placed in the right spot. Especially since it's the first time Lois Lane was not in this episode. And for the first time she just didn't disappear like they've been doing to her character since she got on the show. After 'Instinct' and 'Committed' she is avoiding Clark. Remember Clois is the one ship you can whine about all you want but it's going to have to happen eventually. Lois Lane is just a big part of Clark's destiny almost as much as Superman is. I really like how they've been building their romance. How much slower could you have wanted it to go? Seriously, she's been on the show since season 4 and it wasn't until MAYBE season 6 that they really dived into the realm of possibility for those two. Personally, I am so over Clana and I almost don't want her to return. But I think she has to in order to finish her character arc. And the Chlark ship definitely has no foundation at all. It's really just wishful thinking. Of course I don't want Chloe to end up depressed and alone, she's one of my favorite characters on the show besides the obvious Clark and Lois, but she's got a REALLY good thing with Jimmy. So no. I think for the first time the writers have a really strong season. It started off amazing and every episode has been great and has something to do with the Superman mythology one way or another. Whether he is investigating for the Daily Planet, or saving lives or even falling in love with Lois Lane. IT'S ALL PART OF HIS DESTINY.:)

My warmest welcome to K-site as well, Lilah. I especially love and agree with the bolded parts of your very insightful post.

[Kal-ed]

Yeah but for those other episodes there was nothing really developed other than Ollie was trapped on an Island, Maxima is hot and Chloe loves Jimmy (Woah, never saw that coming). Whilst if this HAD been the third episode they could have placed snippits here and there instead of wasting 240 minutes of my life with this Soap Opera garbage.


Well that Soap opera garbage is still a plot, Chimmy, Clois, Olliess are an arc, whether you like it or not. It was a waste in your eyes, not in general, now I dont know if you know anything about shows, there are episode called Fillers basically to fill the quota of episodes required by a network, episodes where the main plot doesnt advanced and are usually used for secondary arcs (shipper arcs in this case), if you go by that you´ll find a lot of episodes through out all the series, except the serialized ones like 24, Lost, Prision Break but in series like Smallville with overall plots but semi stand alone episodes, you´ll get a filler here and there that focus on the B plots, you are complaining about a common practice.


It's not about not liking Clois it's how it's being forced down our throats.

Eg.

Maxima's bull crap about how Lois and Clark are destined.

Lois admits she loves Clark.

Ok if this was episode 20 I could buy it BUT THIS WAS EPISODE FIVE.

And don't give me this oh she's been around since season four crap either.

LOIS HAS DATED

Aquaman
Ollie (was quite serious, hell in Toxic she admitted to still having feelings- whatever)
and Lex's clone brother (I've forgotten his name, cos he was such a dunce as a character)

So don't tell me that while she was dating all those guys that she always had Clark at the back of her mind.

This is completely subjective, I dont think its being shoved down our throughts, they are not even dating and 2 lines in 2 episodes doesnt qualify as being shoved down our throats.

I dont know if your familiar with Superman universe but Lois and Clark are indeed meant to be, soulmates, personally I dont belive in the concept but its a reality in the Superman Universe and obviously its part of the Smallville verse now, as well. Again you may not like it but it is what i is.

Now about Lois dating, I dont know if you´ve personally experienced it or seen it but people who have known each other for years who dated other people during those years end up falling for each other. Circumstances and feelings change, its a fact of life.

In fact I can use your examples in my favor maybe Lois was so bussy with other guys to realize her real feelings for Clark, his protective stance with AC proved Lois that Clark cares about her and she opened up to him at the end of the episode thanks to her relationship with AC, with Ollie exactly the same in a way Ollie brought Clark and Lois together, consoling her in Siren was a turning point in their relationship or at least the parts of it we´ve been shown on screen.

So yes, she´s had Clark on the back of her mind but circumstances, untill now, never permited those feelings to evolve. This doesnt mean she was in love with Clark while dating Ollie, she had an atraction towards Clark (its normal to be atracted to other people other than who you´r dating) but nothing ever came out of it, now she´s single, he´s single, we are to asume that they work together on a daily basis and what we see on screen is only a fragment of the time they spend together (although you can ask for this development being shown completely onscreen but judging by your posts Im guessing you prefer less and not more shiping being shown onscreen, cant have it both ways) and their relationship has been evolving slowly.

Clark has saved Lois, more times that she´d care to admit, he´s been kind to her, he´s asertive around her and gives as good as he takes in their verbal sparrings, he´s honorable (per her own words 3 seasons ago), his good looking and has a literally out of this world phisique, so the question is not if Lois should have feelings for him but why wouldnt she, specially since it takes most girls in the show half a season or less to fall head over hills for Clark.

Shipper beliefs aside, per TPTB´s words Clois is one of this season´s arcs and in this two episodes it was developed, whether one likes it or not.




But did it really progress anything??
The answer is a simple, No.

The simple answer is: that´s your opinion.

the real answer is yes, not all plots, certainly not the Doomsday plot (which btw is NOT the only plot in the season). But again its what Ive been saying, the problem is those epis didnt progress the plost you wanted , the ones you care about, it even progressed plots you obviously dont like, that still does not mean that it didnt progress anything.


You could skip all those episodes and start with Prey as 8.3 and it would affect nothing (meaning that the other three were just pointless to the overal season.

in regards to the Doomy arc yes, in reagards to other ones, like Ollie, Chloiac, Chimmy, Clois, then your assertion is wrong and based on your personal intrest and what you consider to be the relevant arcs.

I like MM, dont get me wrong but him being Clark´s guide, is something I dont particularly like as well as Ollie lecturing Clark, Superman became a hero all on his own, MM, GA, etc. were not around and when they met SUperman was equally or more heroic than they were. I still think that this grasshopper relationship was progressed, even though I dont like it at all, chimmy as well, I really had my doubts that Chloe trully loved Jimmy, after the lie detector test, I no longer have that doubt.

ETA: ITA eas, lighthearted "fillers" that develop Clark´s humanity and inner demons and wants are what have set Superman aside from other heroes, its just who he is and who doesnt get them doesnt get what Superman is trully about; complaining about shipper stuff, try reading Superman comic´s from the late 80s early 90s and there´s a whole lot of shipper arcs from Clana, Clori to Clois.

[Khyla]

...

sense of "fun" and the special magic that comes with the Superman story.

The Superman mythos is not a place that is full of death and destruction and angst. It's a fun, innocent, and hopeful place.

All the episode you think are filler are actually part of what has made Superman endure for over 70 years. The playful nature of the Clark and Lois relationship. The tongue in cheek bantering and flirtation. Clark's link to humanity and the very human experiences he has as Clark Kent are part of what makes him Superman and the very super-hero that you were rooting for in the episode you DID like. Why do you even feel for this man? Because of the episodes where we explore the very human side of his life... the small frustrations and issues... his relationships with people. His fears and insecurities (including the fear that he'll never have a normal relationship with a woman).

To enjoy episodes like "Prey" you need those sorts of episodes. It cannot be all angst and torture all the time. ...


i agree with this part of your post. It's the reason I thoroughly enjoyed the first half of Committed, and Maxima had some good parts too, but it seemed like the writers were too obvious at trying to oil some squeaky wheels :\ so it came off as *meh*.
Though Toxic wasn't all about Clark, it did progress his storyline and those of his inner circle, somewhat, plus it was a good story on it's own merit.

[blackcelebration]

Well that Soap opera garbage is still a plot, Chimmy, Clois, Olliess are an arc, whether you like it or not. It was a waste in your eyes, not in general, now I dont know if you know anything about shows, there are episode called Fillers basically to fill the quota of episodes required by a network, episodes where the main plot doesnt advanced and are usually used for secondary arcs (shipper arcs in this case), if you go by that you´ll find a lot of episodes through out all the series, except the serialized ones like 24, Lost, Prision Break but in series like Smallville with overall plots but semi stand alone episodes, you´ll get a filler here and there that focus on the B plots, you are complaining about a common practice.

I agree shows do have filler but those fillers were just dead awful.

Toxic should have given Green Arrow's origin story a bit more thought (instead of the stupid, stuck on an island for 2-4 years- can't remember how long exacty, also how old was he when he was on that island? 15???).

Also it was all about how great Ollie is bla bla bla (Even though Clark has saved the world, oh I don't know loads of times, yet he gets blasted for nothing). Clark also gets like 5 minutes screen time whilst the others act like crazy bafoons.

Maxima was just a waste of space (ok better than Toxic) but as I stated earlier other than... Maxima's hot, there was nothing explored here.

Saw Rip off II Original rip off was a late season 5 episode were Lionel and Martha are captured by some masked guy and subjected to obstacle courses.:\

This one was a masked guy who captures couples and asks em do you love each other. ZZzzzzz.

Althogh when he span that lie detector it was hilarious :lol: although 100% unintentional:rotfl:



This is completely subjective, I dont think its being shoved down our throughts, they are not even dating and 2 lines in 2 episodes doesnt qualify as being shoved down our throats.

I dont know if your familiar with Superman universe but Lois and Clark are indeed meant to be, soulmates, personally I dont belive in the concept but its a reality in the Superman Universe and obviously its part of the Smallville verse now, as well. Again you may not like it but it is what i is.

I am very aware of the comics, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be handled with care and respect, just like in the comics and other Superman medium (George Reeves TV series, First two Christopher Reeves films, Lois & Clark) Smallville's version is more lightswitch


Now about Lois dating, I dont know if you´ve personally experienced it or seen it but people who have known each other for years who dated other people during those years end up falling for each other. Circumstances and feelings change, its a fact of life.

It's also a fact of life (and personal experience) that two people who suddenly just jump on each other at the jump of the switch aren't really destined to be together but destined to fall apart.


In fact I can use your examples in my favor maybe Lois was so bussy with other guys to realize her real feelings for Clark, his protective stance with AC proved Lois that Clark cares about her and she opened up to him at the end of the episode thanks to her relationship with AC, with Ollie exactly the same in a way Ollie brought Clark and Lois together, consoling her in Siren was a turning point in their relationship or at least the parts of it we´ve been shown on screen.


I'm not denying that but it needs to be played out more naturally than Lois just jumping on the next guy.



So yes, she´s had Clark on the back of her mind but circumstances, untill now, never permited those feelings to evolve. This doesnt mean she was in love with Clark while dating Ollie, she had an atraction towards Clark (its normal to be atracted to other people other than who you´r dating) but nothing ever came out of it, now she´s single, he´s single, we are to asume that they work together on a daily basis and what we see on screen is only a fragment of the time they spend together (although you can ask for this development being shown completely onscreen but judging by your posts Im guessing you prefer less and not more shiping being shown onscreen, cant have it both ways) and their relationship has been evolving slowly.

See comments above.


Clark has saved Lois, more times that she´d care to admit, he´s been kind to her, he´s asertive around her and gives as good as he takes in their verbal sparrings, he´s honorable (per her own words 3 seasons ago), his good looking and has a literally out of this world phisique, so the question is not if Lois should have feelings for him but why wouldnt she, specially since it takes most girls in the show half a season or less to fall head over hills for Clark.

Clark has also saved Lex, Lana, Chloe, Lionel, Martha, Johnathan, hell the world more times than he'd like to admit.


Shipper beliefs aside, per TPTB´s words Clois is one of this season´s arcs and in this two episodes it was developed, whether one likes it or not.

I'm not saying I am against it, just don't like the way they've done it so far.






The simple answer is: that´s your opinion.

the real answer is yes, not all plots, certainly not the Doomsday plot (which btw is NOT the only plot in the season). But again its what Ive been saying, the problem is those epis didnt progress the plost you wanted , the ones you care about, it even progressed plots you obviously dont like, that still does not mean that it didnt progress anything.

Hmmm... read my description of said bad episodes




in regards to the Doomy arc yes, in reagards to other ones, like Ollie, Chloiac, Chimmy, Clois, then your assertion is wrong and based on your personal intrest and what you consider to be the relevant arcs.

Again, I have nothing against these arcs just how they are written and take too much time of the real story of Smallville (Clark becoming Superman).


I like MM, dont get me wrong but him being Clark´s guide, is something I dont particularly like as well as Ollie lecturing Clark, Superman became a hero all on his own, MM, GA, etc. were not around and when they met SUperman was equally or more heroic than they were. I still think that this grasshopper relationship was progressed, even though I dont like it at all, chimmy as well, I really had my doubts that Chloe trully loved Jimmy, after the lie detector test, I no longer have that doubt.

Actually, I'm 50/50 on Manhunter. But if he is used the way he was in Prey then I think it was a good idea. Other than him just turning up by seasons end just to tell Clark about the big bad.

Also on Chloe, I've got a feeling that Brianiac was able to fool that lie detector test ;)

Plus that was basically a 45 minute shipper episode, and as for that winding lie detector test:rotfl:


ETA: ITA eas, lighthearted "fillers" that develop Clark´s humanity and inner demons and wants are what have set Superman aside from other heroes, its just who he is and who doesnt get them doesnt get what Superman is trully about; complaining about shipper stuff, try reading Superman comic´s from the late 80s early 90s and there´s a whole lot of shipper arcs from Clana, Clori to Clois.

I have nothing against it but it spends too much time on this show sometimes.

[Kal-ed]

blackcelebration, its your opinion they´r not being properly handled, again its subjective; fortunately for my cause, raitings were really good in this back to back (alleged horribly written) episodes, Im NOT saying Clois=Raitings, Im merely saying that the casual viewer who has, by definition, no strong biases is enjoying this type of lighthearted episodes portraying a proactive Clark Kent.

Also the lightswitch thing is subjective as well, as anyone can see from my brief explanation I have been seeing a subtle yet constant Clois build up in their four years, so obviously I dont see a lightswitch and Im not alone in this, yes it´s been sped up but its not something that suddenly out of the blue, or at least for a portion of the viewership.

I have a meeting, will be back to answer properly

ETA: oh and cmon, the Brainiac thing is WAY too convinient

[individuall]

blackcelebration, its your opinion they´r not being properly handled, again its subjective; fortunately for my cause, raitings were really good in this back to back (alleged horribly written) episodes, Im NOT saying Clois=Raitings, Im merely saying that the casual viewer who has, by definition, no strong biases is enjoying this type of lighthearted episodes portraying a proactive Clark Kent.

Also the lightswitch thing is subjective as well, as anyone can see from my brief explanation I have been seeing a subtle yet constant Clois build up in their four years, so obviously I dont see a lightswitch and Im not alone in this, yes it´s been sped up but its not something that suddenly out of the blue, or at least for a portion of the viewership.

I, have a meeting, will be back to answer properly

ITA. And you're right..You're not alone ;)

[blackcelebration]

blackcelebration, its your opinion they´r not being properly handled, again its subjective; fortunately for my cause, raitings were really good in this back to back (alleged horribly written) episodes, Im NOT saying Clois=Raitings, Im merely saying that the casual viewer who has, by definition, no strong biases is enjoying this type of lighthearted episodes portraying a proactive Clark Kent.

It depends what you mean by good ratings, especially for a show that was once peaking with 8 million viewers a week in its Season 1-3 heyday. Nowadays 4 million is considered good. Still average ratings are up from last season.

Saying that this season has loads of promise and I am looking forward to it (for the first time since maybe Brainiac first came during Season 5, I nearly stopped watching after Season 4, and only watched Season 6 & 7 because I had by then discovered Kryptonsite:lol:)


Also the lightswitch thing is subjective as well, as anyone can see from my brief explanation I have been seeing a subtle yet constant Clois build up in their four years, so obviously I dont see a lightswitch and Im not alone in this, yes it´s been sped up but its not something that suddenly out of the blue, or at least for a portion of the viewership.

Sorry but I still say lightswitch.

Yes, we all know that Clark & Lois will end up together in the future but more foreplay and less play would be handy right now;)


I have a meeting, will be back to answer properly

ETA: oh and cmon, the Brainiac thing is WAY too convinient

Did you see her with Davis?:lol:

P.S

This is Smallville remember;)

[Kal-ed]

I agree shows do have filler but those fillers were just dead awful.

Toxic should have given Green Arrow's origin story a bit more thought (instead of the stupid, stuck on an island for 2-4 years- can't remember how long exacty, also how old was he when he was on that island? 15???).

Also it was all about how great Ollie is bla bla bla (Even though Clark has saved the world, oh I don't know loads of times, yet he gets blasted for nothing). Clark also gets like 5 minutes screen time whilst the others act like crazy bafoons.

Maxima was just a waste of space (ok better than Toxic) but as I stated earlier other than... Maxima's hot, there was nothing explored here.

Saw Rip off II Original rip off was a late season 5 episode were Lionel and Martha are captured by some masked guy and subjected to obstacle courses.:\

This one was a masked guy who captures couples and asks em do you love each other. ZZzzzzz.

Althogh when he span that lie detector it was hilarious :lol: although 100% unintentional:rotfl:



Again the argument is not quality, its whether there was development or not and the answer is. yes there was.



I am very aware of the comics, but it doesn't mean it shouldn't be handled with care and respect, just like in the comics and other Superman medium (George Reeves TV series, First two Christopher Reeves films, Lois & Clark) Smallville's version is more lightswitch

its your opinion its being misshandled, Ive read comics all my life, watched every cartoon about superheroes out there, movies as well and I like the way this clois is being portrayed as much as any other versions, in fact I prefer SV Clois over movie Clois


It's also a fact of life (and personal experience) that two people who suddenly just jump on each other at the jump of the switch aren't really destined to be together but destined to fall apart.

well, why dont you first wait and see if they jump the switch, they´r not dating yet, they havent even shared a real kiss so you might be jumping the gun here, who knows maybe your request for Clois to happen late in the season is what will really happen.

Also, its a fact that Lois and Clark are destined to be together, not even death set them apart.




I'm not denying that but it needs to be played out more naturally than Lois just jumping on the next guy.

again, why dont you just wait and see how long it takes them to get together, per show´s evidence its been at least 6 months from Siren and over a year since Justice so its not like she suddenly went from Ollie to Clark.




Clark has also saved Lex, Lana, Chloe, Lionel, Martha, Johnathan, hell the world more times than he'd like to admit.

Yes and Chloe, Lana are inlove with Clark (Chloe was) Martha, Jonathan and Lionel couldnt have fallen in love with him. Anyhow my point was not just that but in general she´s got a lot of reasons to be head over hills for Clark, Im surprised it didnt happen earlier.


I'm not saying I am against it, just don't like the way they've done it so far.

See, this coment I can understand and respect even if I dont agree.




Again, I have nothing against these arcs just how they are written and take too much time of the real story of Smallville (Clark becoming Superman).

I would agree if it had been an episode like Promise or Labyrinth that not only were full shippity ship ship but Clark was regresed as a character but in this case it showed a more mature Clark a more proactive, asertive, resourcefull Clark, getting himself out of that situation with the head bang is something we rarely see, in the past 2 seasons he was frequently being saved by Chloe or Ollie or MM, when Superman has always been self reliant.



Actually, I'm 50/50 on Manhunter. But if he is used the way he was in Prey then I think it was a good idea. Other than him just turning up by seasons end just to tell Clark about the big bad.

Its not that I dislike MM, I just dont think anyone should be telling Clark how to be a hero.



Also on Chloe, I've got a feeling that Brianiac was able to fool that lie detector test ;)

again too convinient, everytime Chloe does something people dont like, its atributed to Brainiac, when its something awsome, its all Chloe:rolleyes:


Plus that was basically a 45 minute shipper episode, and as for that winding lie detector test:rotfl:

No, it was Clark investigating, being proactive, being chivalrous, being heroic, being smart, which is again, over the Doomsday and Chloiac arcs the main arc of the entire series, Clark progressing.



I have nothing against it but it spends too much time on this show sometimes.

I agree, I just dont think this particular episodes where overshippy, or at least I was equally compensated with Clark´s overall development.

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It depends what you mean by good ratings, especially for a show that was once peaking with 8 million viewers a week in its Season 1-3 heyday. Nowadays 4 million is considered good. Still average ratings are up from last season.



Well good raitings is ranking on top of all the shows in your network, with little promotion and support from said network, in a dificult time slot with a decreasing budget, with out 2 of the 3 original main characters (plus the loss of Jonathan, Martha and Lionel who had a lot of folowers). In a Network that doesnt have the buget or the infrastructure The WB had when Smallville played there. In its 8TH YEAR!!. To me that´s good raitings, further more, its doing good in the most desired target: the 18-45 women who are the demographically speaking the people who spend the most, so advertisers will look for the shows who capture this particular target.


Sorry but I still say lightswitch.

and its still your opinion and IMO your jumping the gun cause nothing has happened yet, if they kiss and start dating on the next episode Ill come here and tip my hat to you... but if they start dating near the end of the season would you tip your hat to me then???


Yes, we all know that Clark & Lois will end up together in the future but more foreplay and less play would be handy right now;)

I think that´s what your in for, why dont you wait and see how it develops.



Did you see her with Davis?:lol:

yes but Id be more inclined to believe that THAT¨S where Brainiac is acting, see what Ive been saying in other threads about the subject is that Brainiac always has a reson for doing things, he stand to gain nothing with Chimmy, why would he take the trouble to cheat a lie detector, ask yourself that question. With Doomsday on the other hand, they are both Kryptonian and in Our World at War, a comic book arc from a while ago Brainiac was trying to insert his mind into Doomsday to create an unstopable being with a level 12 intellect (the highest in the DC universe) and with an indestructible body, so id be more inclined if its Brainiac and not Chloe the one getting her close to Davis, now THAT makes sense, Im still waiting for a decent explanation of why Brainiac would want Chimmy to be together.[/QUOTE]




This is Smallville remember;)

New Showrunners remeber... IMO they said they would and they are doing things diferently, compare commited as a filler with Ageless or Thirst or Sleeper, etc.

[alienkinfolk]

New Showrunners remeber... IMO they said they would and they are doing things diferently, compare commited as a filler with Ageless or Thirst or Sleeper, etc.

These fillers unlike past seasons are showing CK's signs of development, not arrested development like in Thirst.:p
But fillers are needed to give us the extras about CK and SV. Hopefully new tptb understand that fillers don't have to be 60 minutes of suck, maybe just 30 minutes:rolleyes:

[blackcelebration]

These fillers unlike past seasons are showing CK's signs of development, not arrested development like in Thirst.:p
But fillers are needed to give us the extras about CK and SV. Hopefully new tptb understand that fillers don't have to be 60 minutes of suck, maybe just 30 minutes:rolleyes:

My point/ and the point of this thread, exactly ;)