Chloe indicating Clark a coward

[All about Clark]

Chloe indicating Clark a coward for not being as brave as the freaks who came forward to get Chloe's help was just over the top for me. It literally ruined the episode.

[Kevin24]

Yeah it was a total slap in the face to Clark. She definitely crossed the line with that comment. It was something that shouldn't have been said but was and I'm surprised Clark took it so well.

[costas22]

It shouldn't have to.I hate i have to say this,but season 8's Chloe has lost some credibility.Clark did what he had to do to get to the truth and Chloe knows that's part of his routine.In just last week's episode she said that Clark is always right.But when Clark's hunt reaches her doorstep all of a sudden she stops being a free thinker.It might have to do with the Brainiac influence,but this season she contradicts quite often.She gives latitude to Jimmy for lying to her,she refuses to believe a person she just met can be a killer but she easily questions Clark's intentions.

[chlo-el]

What no way. It totally needed to be said. What those MF did was so brave and Clark is still afraid to let himself be known. Good reason, but trusting a complete stranger and other w/ ablities was a really brave for them to do and Chloe was just saying how brave they were. And Clark was still hiding and accusing people w/ out even knowing them.

[AndiGirl]

I'm sorry....but with the numerous lines Clark crossed in this episode...this one thing Chloe said is being targeted?

Keep in mind...Chloe had just found out Clark had betrayed her...big time. I think she was upset and lashing out.Thats probably why clark took it so well....he knew she was just upset...and for good reason.

They both said and did things they didnt mean...not just Chloe.

[Kevin24]

It shouldn't have to.I hate i have to say this,but season 8's Chloe has lost some credibility.Clark did what he had to do to get to the truth and Chloe knows that's part of his routine.In just last week's episode she said that Clark is always right.But when Clark's hunt reaches her doorstep all of a sudden she stops being a free thinker.It might have to do with the Brainiac influence,but this season she contradicts quite often.She gives latitude to Jimmy for lying to her,she refuses to believe a person she just met can be a killer but she easily questions Clark's intentions.

Exactly, before she wouldn't even question Clark. She would always give Clark the benefit of the doubt. Now, she gets defensive and contradicts what she says....it was only last year that she was hacking into government flies for Clark!

Like you said, I definitely think it's Brainiac at work in some shape or form.

[BadToad]

That was an incredibly low blow, and I'm still seething over it myself. I get that she was angry, and I'm fine with that. But I'm not OK with that sort of going for the jugular move.

Not to mention that I must've missed when Chloe decided to out herself with her miracle healing abilities, or her brainiac supersmarts. And if I'm not mistaken, she still hasn't told Jimmy, her fiancee, about the latter.

I guess she's a coward too?

That line, and the retcon about Clark not caring about meteor infected (a claim contradicted by many SV eps) really took something away from this episode for me.

I don't mind if people get mad at Clark, or yell at him. But I hate the cheapshots. Lana used to do that a lot. It took me a long time to get over Lois' comments in Rage. And this one is going to bug me for a while.

[AndiGirl]

Exactly, before she wouldn't even question Clark. She would always give Clark the benefit of the doubt. Now, she gets defensive and contradicts what she says....it was only last year that she was hacking into government flies for Clark!

Like you said, I definitely think it's Brainiac at work in some shape or form.

How many times has Clark questioned Chloe though?? Millions....so because Chloe isnt following him like a mindless drone....it must be brainiac at work?

I think Chloe is looking after herself a bit more...and I say about time!

[BadToad]

I think Chloe is looking after herself a bit more...and I say about time!

She can look after herself without the cheapshots. I'm sure Clark could've come right back with a comment about Chloe hiding her own abilities, but he didn't.

[AndiGirl]

She can look after herself without the cheapshots. I'm sure Clark could've come right back with a comment about Chloe hiding her own abilities, but he didn't.

True...I do think that was a cheap shot. But Clark using his powers to steal private information from her....was as equally low in my book. They both messed up big in this episode. He misused his powers against his best friend, and she went for a cheap shot.

But to say it's all Chloes fault is just silly in my book.
(Which I know you arent badtoad).

[Poweranimals]

Chloe's always been pushy. Most of the time Clark just takes it and ends up apologizing. I like it when he stands up to her.

[txluvstom]

Exactly, before she wouldn't even question Clark. She would always give Clark the benefit of the doubt. Now, she gets defensive and contradicts what she says....it was only last year that she was hacking into government flies for Clark!

Like you said, I definitely think it's Brainiac at work in some shape or form.
But that's what so infuraiating about this. When Clark apparently "crossed the line" with Chloe,HE'S the jerk....BUT when Chloe does,it HAS TO BE because of Brainiac.:cool:

[ms.c.]

They apologized. Clark ridiculed Chloe's therapy group and new job and Chloe threw it back into Clark's face that she's trying to help people who need it and that he could help so much if he would come forward as an alien.

If anything, Clark needed to have someone say that to him. Clark lying about his life isn't going to work and what MM and Chloe said are intended to push Clark along into figuring out how he can balance his life.

If Clark wanted to call Chloe out about her own hiding of her abilities that would be fine, too. They know each other well enough to give each other a hard time. They've earned enough credit in their friendship to do that. I only wish Clark and Chloe would call each other out MORE.

[Kevin24]

Clark may be hiding his secret from the world but he is actually using his abilities to help people. The Krpyo powered people didn't really out themselves to the world. They came to a foundation to help cope with what is going on with them. I think one of them even says that the advertisement in the paper was cryptic.

Clark came to Chloe in good faith to help find the killer and I think Chloe should have been willing to help find the killer. In my opinion, she didn't have a good reason to deny Clark access. Just because she considers them her "kids" which is ridiculous since she is what? 2-3 years older? She should have put the safety of the public ahead of inconveniencing her "kids" for some questioning.

I don't blame Brainiac for the way Chloe acted because so far we don't even know if that's true so for now I leave the blame on Chloe for saying that comment.

Clark crossed the line when he used the list without her consent but he did it for a good cause not to put blame on her "kids" like she so strongly believed.

[costas22]

As we reach towards the conclusion of the Chloiac story,one of the major questions that will need to be answered is how much Brainiac was influencing Chloe in circumstances such as this.He might be affecting her but i also have to agree with another poster that Chloe has always being pushy.They both had some valid points but Chloe shouldn't have questioned Clark's integrity.Through the years he has tried to turn every villain to the police no matter how close he was with them.Alicia was a good example.

[Kevin24]

As we reach towards the conclusion of the Chloiac story,one of the major questions that will need to be answered is how much Brainiac was influencing Chloe in circumstances such as this.He might be affecting her but i also have to agree with another poster that Chloe has always being pushy.They both had some valid points but Chloe shouldn't have questioned Clark's integrity.Through the years he has tried to turn every villain to the police no matter how close he was with them.Alicia was a good example.

You're right! Clark does want people to turn themselves in if they are possible suspects.

Although, Alicia did throw out the same argument with Clark as Chloe did last night but to a way more civil extent.:lol:

[umm]

I'm sorry....but with the numerous lines Clark crossed in this episode...this one thing Chloe said is being targeted?

Keep in mind...Chloe had just found out Clark had betrayed her...big time. I think she was upset and lashing out.Thats probably why clark took it so well....he knew she was just upset...and for good reason.

They both said and did things they didnt mean...not just Chloe.


I agree! If anyone crossed the line, it was Clark, many times over just in this one episode alone! It is like he expects Chloe to only protect him, ony understand him, only devote herself to his needs and wishes! Can you say selfcentered and egomaniac? He needs to get a grip on his egomania trip he has been on lately, frankly I am glad she finally told him off!

[All about Clark]

There's also another issue here. These kids are human. Clark is not. For him to come clean is such a greater risk than any of these kids would take. People would instantly be afraid of Clark for the power he has, which none of these kids have his kind of power.

It was really below the belt for Chloe to indicate he wasn't brave enough like these kids. And for me it doesn't matter whether Braniac is leaking into Chloe or not, she should never had said such a thing considering she has her own secrets.

And I agree with Kevin, since when does Chloe not consider the safety of the public. I was really dumbfounded.

[Dustmite]

It was a low blow just like Clark completely taking the piss out of what she's decided to do with her life. Both comments annoyed me but there's no way I'm going to pretend that Chloe is the only one in the wrong.

Clark behaving as if all MF's are potential killers when he knows that Chloe is herself meteor infected didn't go down well with me either. I can't imagine that that wasn't hurtful to her.

I think both Clark and Chloe were a little off in this episode. It is Clark that trusts too easily and always sees the good in people and it's Chloe who's more wary, always looking for an angle or at least that's the way they were :\

[Kevin24]

Clark saw a video on a cell phone and he saw that only someone with special abilities could have caused what happened at the Ace Of Clubs. So, he didn't just randomly assume it was them who killed all those people at first. He did some research and deducted that it had to be a Kryto Person.

Also, I don't remember what Clark said about Chloe's new profession. Can someone help me out with that? lol

[umm]

[QUOTE]Clark behaving as if all MF's are potential killers when he knows that Chloe is herself meteor infected didn't go down well with me either. I can't imagine that that wasn't hurtful to her.

Of course it was cruel what Clark did, and especially since he seemed to forget all the countless times she put her ethics on the line to protect his secret, the many times she lied for him, spyed for him, covered for him, hacked into forbidden goverment sites for him etc.. Now that she has to do the same thing for someone else, someone innocent I might add, he gets angry and all high up on a hourse as if his word has to be the last! :o

Not to even mention the stupid way he has been going about saving people, risking exposure, not being careful enough! You leave him without supervision, and he goes completly, well stupid!

[redRound]

I thought it was a cruel low blow too. There's no need to throw a person's deep insecurities in their face during an argument. Insecurities you've learnt about because of the trust of a friendship. That says more about how spiteful you can be than anything else. And Chloe was very spiteful there.

[Kevin24]

I thought it was a cruel low blow too. There's no need to throw a person's deep insecurities in their face during an argument. Insecurities you've learnt about because of the trust of a friendship. That says more about how spiteful you can be then anything else. And Chloe was very spiteful there.

I agree.

[All about Clark]

As for Chloe's meteor power, I don't think she has one anymore. TPTB have indicated that Chloe used all her healing ability to heal from Braniac's attack and that it's gone. So she just might not be a meteor freak any longer. What she is, is Braniac infected, and that's a whole another thing.

[Dustmite]

As for Chloe's meteor power, I don't think she has one anymore. TPTB have indicated that Chloe used all her healing ability to heal from Braniac's attack and that it's gone. So she just might not be a meteor freak any longer. What she is, is Braniac infected, and that's a whole another thing.

Clark doesn't know that though. If you recognize that Chloe was in the wong then how can you not recognize that Clark was in the wrong because he was.

[costas22]

We can't put all of the meteor infected people in the same basket.There have been MFs,with what i call a passive meteor power,that didn't turn out to be killers.Cyrus from Visitor is a good example.Tobias from Freak is another example.When the meteor power gives them extra abilities,that's what alters their judgement and possibly turns them into killers.That's something that the show doesn't address.The final dialogue between Clark and Chloe also ignored that fact.

[umm]

Clark doesn't know that though. If you recognize that Chloe was in the wong then how can you not recognize that Clark was in the wrong because he was.

Because it is hard to recognize when a hero is wrong, and this particukar hero has a habit of being wrong a lot of times, whic always comes back to bite him in ... ...! I hope the writers don't make Chloe won't forget how he behaved this time and he needs to crawl some more untill she forgives him fully!

[smallvillefreak24]

the whole secret keeping aspect involving chloe has always been a bit hazy imo esp. with the whole chloe power jazz so idk i think this season is about the chlark angst (not sexual) just stirring it up its been smooth sailing for too long and now they're gonna rock the boat unfortunatley

[umm]

the whole secret keeping aspect involving chloe has always been a bit hazy imo esp. with the whole chloe power jazz so idk i think this season is about the chlark angst (not sexual) just stirring it up its been smooth sailing for too long and now they're gonna rock the boat unfortunatley

It's high time they did! I mean we can't have smooth sailing all the way! Clark and Chloe need some good angst to make them apreciate their deep rooted friendship even more, which won't be destroyed by this, but ratther changed into something different, where they are still bestfriends but maybe not as much dependent on each other as they have been in previous seasons! I mean there is a reason why every guy who gets into two feet of Chloe has the impression that he is steping on somebodies toes! Clark and Chloe need some distance from each other! She so she can work through her perhaps anger towards him, for never chosing her, but actually ceeping her hopes up by his action and possesivness at times, and he, so he can see that he can make it without the motherhen Chloe holding his hand, guiding him through the ways of right and wrong, becoming his own man without anybodies influence!

[cygnusx1]

st chloe was in the wrong. whats ck supposed to do, sit in a group meeting and say" hi my name is clark and i'm an alien from another planet with superhuman powers. let me demonstrate". he is using his powers in public as noted by mm to save people which is a giant step from seasons past

[RJLCyberPunk]

Chloe indicating Clark a coward for not being as brave as the freaks who came forward to get Chloe's help was just over the top for me. It literally ruined the episode.

For once I agree but is not just Chloe, Clark was also abrasive and even abusive in this episode, the way both characters went about I did not like at all... And even though Superman in the comics have been known to get abrasive at times is not with people he is really close too as friends etc. That along with the Doomsday subplot that we CANON lovers know is going to ruin everything in the franchise for all time, kind of made me wish this episode never happened but sadly it did. Chloe and Clark are growing apart right now in a way it should not be. Chloe is not a CANON character but it deserves better. Heck even after all the differences Lana and Clark had they were always able to patch it up, and they were bigger than what happened in this episode.:(

[SueB]

I fully expect us to never get an explanation of how much Brainiac was influencing Chloe's action.

I believe the ultimate objective is to shove Chloe to the side so Lois can become closer to Clark. They've provide a plausible out for the conflict now that it may be Brainiac influencing Chloe and obsession influencing Clark, but they'll leave the damage done so that Clois looks more feasible. Tonight we can say that this kind of an argument is out of character and something else is going on. TPTB are hoping we just remember that they are growing apart a few months down the line.

It's pretty cheesy if you ask me.

Note to PS3: There are FOUR lights. I don't care how much of a bait & switch you are trying to pull. Destroying Chlark friendship for Clois is overt and not the natural conclusion to the story told in S1-S7. You are doing this to line up with a pre-determined mythos outcome and are using some pretty heavy handed plot devices (Brainiac infection, Doomsday attraction, marriage to a geek) to pull these two apart. It's clear to me you couldn't show Lois as actually superior to Chloe as a best friend so you are resorting to this underhanded kind of technique. I can see the man behind the curtain.

Anyway...

I would agree calling someone a coward is worse than saying their new direction in life is a waste of time --- but not by much. He seems to forget helping him is what put her on this path. Not very gracious to call MF counseling a waste of time. I thought she handled the first insult pretty well --- perhaps she thought Lois is influencing his personality. After he betrayed her with the list she did go for a hurtful jab. This episode was about trust. She trusted Clark when he needed her to and he didn't trust her judgment. As a result she no longer had the trust of the people she was trying to help. So not only did he pretty much say her job was worthless but now he's made it more difficult to do because she has lost their trust.

I think a better angle would have been to remind him of the lesson learned with Alicia. That would have been enough to bring up the topic without directly calling him a coward.

I do see a difference b/w alien secret and garden-variety MF. At this point, Chloe thinks she no longer has a garden-variety MF ability but is now altered due to an alien supercomputer. Revealing her secret reveals the existence of aliens and puts Clark's secret either out there or at risk. I don't think she can tell Jimmy about the alien supercomputer thing. That she told Davis was a shock. I can only assume that she knows Jimmy might not buy that her healing morphed to supercomputer. As far as Davis knows, she's only smart.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Chloe was definitely out of line in this episode. What gives her the right to call him a coward. She's the one hiding secrets from the man she claims to love and wants to marry (when she supposedly has feelings for someone else).
I dont even want to mention her hiding her abilities also.

I dont like Clark when he is around Chloe at the mo..its like Clark and Lana season 7 all over. Of course Clark will expect Chloe to drop everything to help him. Thats how it has been for a few years, so why stop now, right:rolleyes:

Clark is perfectly fine working alone and I thank PS3 for that:). No need for a sidekick

[umm]

I fully expect us to never get an explanation of how much Brainiac was influencing Chloe's action.

I believe the ultimate objective is to shove Chloe to the side so Lois can become closer to Clark. They've provide a plausible out for the conflict now that it may be Brainiac influencing Chloe and obsession influencing Clark, but they'll leave the damage done so that Clois looks more feasible. Tonight we can say that this kind of an argument is out of character and something else is going on. TPTB are hoping we just remember that they are growing apart a few months down the line.
It's pretty cheesy if you ask me.
Note to PS3: There are FOUR lights. I don't care how much of a bait & switch you are trying to pull. Destroying Chlark friendship for Clois is overt and not the natural conclusion to the story told in S1-S7. You are doing this to line up with a pre-determined mythos outcome and are using some pretty heavy handed plot devices (Brainiac infection, Doomsday attraction, marriage to a geek) to pull these two apart. It's clear to me you couldn't show Lois as actually superior to Chloe as a best friend so you are resorting to this underhanded kind of technique. I can see the man behind the curtain.

I agree! I don't mind that they are trying to create conflict between Chloe and Clark, but not like this and not so that Lois can become a more promintent and inmortant character! It is not right and after 8 years the character of Chloe has deserved better treatment!
:o:(:

[DGirlLois4Clark]

After 3years of being sidelined to make Chloe supersmart and super awesome, I think Clark deserves not to be called a coward. This man will become superman oe day and I want it to be made clear, he is smarter than any human and doesnt need a sidekick. He is saving people everyday right now and that is a great quality.

I think Chloe does deserve her own storyline which is what PS3 are doing this season.
I've loved every episode so far this season. Bring on Identity:)

[Superboy2]

Meteor freaks weren't born with the powers, and they aren't from another planet.

[Smallville6]

I dont think it ruined the whole episode. But it really got me hating Chloe in this eppy. I though that was just too low and contradicting. Calling him a coward for not coming out with his secret to everyone? She's hiding her secret from her own fiance! When it comes to Clark and his powers, all the choiced are his own. If he doesnt want to tell people his secret, then Chloe shouldnt put him down for it. Plus, Clark has a lot more to worry about than any normal meteor freak- he's an alien. Chloe acts like thier on the same page, but she really has no idea.
Just my two cents :/

[Skywalker]

I believe the ultimate objective is to shove Chloe to the side so Lois can become closer to Clark.

Of course, thats the only plausible explanation for Chloe acting like a self righteous hypocrite. :rolleyes:

He's a "coward" for not coming forward and revealing his identity?! Then by all means you first, counselor. Seriously, did she just meet Clark?! After knowing Clark's secret for this long, and everything that goes along with that, you would think she would have the common sense to know that would have accomplished nothing.

"Benefit of the doubt" - that goes both ways.

If these "Krypto-Freaks" have already revealed their identities to people in the public, like they claimed in the opening Isis scene, I don't understand her big dilemma with them being considered possible suspects in a murder case, in which Clark clearly states would have to be someone with some sort of power...

Blame it on Brianiac or Lois, all you want, but that was ALL Chloe. She put her trust in everyone BUT Clark - someone she's known almost all her life.

[Kalista]

They apologized. Clark ridiculed Chloe's therapy group and new job and Chloe threw it back into Clark's face that she's trying to help people who need it and that he could help so much if he would come forward as an alien.

If anything, Clark needed to have someone say that to him. Clark lying about his life isn't going to work and what MM and Chloe said are intended to push Clark along into figuring out how he can balance his life.

If Clark wanted to call Chloe out about her own hiding of her abilities that would be fine, too. They know each other well enough to give each other a hard time. They've earned enough credit in their friendship to do that. I only wish Clark and Chloe would call each other out MORE.


ITA They have had heated disagreements in the past in which hurtful things were said and they always came back to each other and resolved their differences. They have been friends for years, so disagreements shouldn't be that surprising. They would die for one another so they would never intentionally cause emotional harm to the other.

[LookUpDown]

I don't see this as an issue. They both said or did some really ****** things to each other, but you have to remember that they both were at the time pretty passionate about their arguments. They both stepped over the line and they both apoligized. We all have those moments, it's real and for tv that's great drama. I loved it and it did not diminish either character in my eyes. I still love them both.

[Kalista]

I don't see this as an issue. They both said or did some really ****** things to each other, but you have to remember that they both were at the time pretty passionate about their arguments. They both stepped over the line and they both apoligized. We all have those moments, it's real and for tv that's great drama. I loved it and it did not diminish either character in my eyes. I still love them both.

I agree.

[Dannyblue1]

The thing about what Chloe said to Clark is that it was very realistic for her to go there. Remember back to the times when you've been in an argument with someone. Things got heated. Think about some of the hurtful things you might have thrown at them. Things so hurtful you might have felt bad about it the minute the words left your lips. But the fact is that everyone has done this at one time or another. It's a very human thing to do. Unless you're a saint. And even saints aren't perfect.

That's what I like about the Chloe and Clark. They do and say things that seem realistic to me. No manufactured angst or even more manufactured "funny banter" necessary.

[xrayvision]

How many times has Clark questioned Chloe though?? Millions....so because Chloe isnt following him like a mindless drone....it must be brainiac at work?

I think Chloe is looking after herself a bit more...and I say about time!

I don't want Chloe drooling over Clark or being totally devoted to him. But what she said was very low. She never went public about her freak powers or having Brainiac's presence in her. If Clark were to go public, he would be treated like a lab rat and people would want to make him their weapon. That's why he will need to become Superman later on.

She knew about his track record and should have given him the benefit of the doubt given the circumstances that there was a serial killer on the loose. I wasn't crazy about Clark exposing the freaks, but he didn't have too much of a choice given the circumstances and how instead of doing some research into the backgrounds of the Isis freaks with Clark, Chloe chose instead to argue with Clark and not get anything constructive done.

[Kalista]

The thing about what Chloe said to Clark is that it was very realistic for her to go there. Remember back to the times when you've been in an argument with someone. Things got heated. Think about some of the hurtful things you might have thrown at them. Things so hurtful you might have felt bad about it the minute the words left your lips. But the fact is that everyone has done this at one time or another. It's a very human thing to do. Unless you're a saint. And even saints aren't perfect.

That's what I like about the Chloe and Clark. They do and say things that seem realistic to me. No manufactured angst or even more manufactured "funny banter" necessary.


Remember what Clark said to Chloe in Lineage about her mother because he was upset, and rightfully so, over her digging into his adoption? The point is, sometimes the people closest to you will the most hurtful things in the heat of an argument. I think that's all that happened here.

[SueB]

Of course, thats the only plausible explanation for Chloe acting like a self righteous hypocrite.

I think TPTB did their level best to make it an honest disagreement not intended to give either a specific upperhand. Frankly, I expected it to be very onesided with Chloe looking all wrong. I was surprised to the extent that they went to make it look like Clark was starting the problem and acting obsessed.

But the point of an unsettled ending was just that --- to show a growing wedge b/w them so that it seems more plausible that Lois is becoming more important in Clark's life.

Look at arguments in the past - Whisper, Truth, Lineage, etc.. They always ended with a hug and a "worked out" solution. We haven't had a real Chlark fight since Chloe learned the secret. But last night's not only was a real fight, it was left unsettled. Many are blaming it on Brainiac. I think that's just a diversion. The real motive is to separate these two because Clois cannot stand up to the Chlark friendship they existed as of Arctic. They have to push them apart in order for the mythos to become fulfilled so S8 will be a deconstruction year with random plot devices for that objective.

[wolverine316]

That line totally hit below the belt. Completely disgraceful action by Chloe. I expected this from Ollie who knows nothing about what Clark has been through but Chloe who has seen everything knows everything Clark had to endure. Really killed it for me.

[oqllcksmallville]

i did think that Chloe was little ;
iffy ;
to clark in this episode .
like , she was a little rude .
but you know , she was just standing up for what she believes , right ?

[kris10]

he said that going to a meeting and singing cumbaya werent his thing and with an attitude.

it was supposed to be a draw...neither one was completely right and neither one was completely wrong. thats why it ended the way it did.
So what if chloe stood her ground is she supposed to be happy that he went behind her back? No. the behavior that clark is showing right now is obsessive and he KNOWS it MM KNOWS it and that word came up ALOT. thats what the theme is. he has to learn a balance and this episode showed that he doesnt have it quite yet. but to say that chloe is wrong or awful for saying something when her friend just goes and does that to her-No way. he is getting there to becoming superman but he's not there yet.
oh and lets not forget that clark has gone nuts in a few episodes as well......bizarro/redk

[Smallville6]

I think TPTB did their level best to make it an honest disagreement not intended to give either a specific upperhand. Frankly, I expected it to be very onesided with Chloe looking all wrong. I was surprised to the extent that they went to make it look like Clark was starting the problem and acting obsessed.

But the point of an unsettled ending was just that --- to show a growing wedge b/w them so that it seems more plausible that Lois is becoming more important in Clark's life.

Look at arguments in the past - Whisper, Truth, Lineage, etc.. They always ended with a hug and a "worked out" solution. We haven't had a real Chlark fight since Chloe learned the secret. But last night's not only was a real fight, it was left unsettled. Many are blaming it on Brainiac. I think that's just a diversion. The real motive is to separate these two because Clois cannot stand up to the Chlark friendship they existed as of Arctic. They have to push them apart in order for the mythos to become fulfilled so S8 will be a deconstruction year with random plot devices for that objective.

Interesting that you turn a thread about Chloe's treatment of Clark to be about Clois. I realize some might need to be defensive and bash Clois as much as possible to feel better about the fact that this season is really focusing on the iconic couple...but last time I checked, the title of this thread was 'Chloe indicating Clark a coward', not 'compare Clois to Chlark!' If you really feel the need to tell us Chlark is better than Clois (even if it has nothing to do with this thread) than stop trying to look for reasons to compare the relationship, and give us reasons why you think so. When you try so hard to find reasons to bash Clois, instead of tell us why the Chlark friendship is so great, it begins to look desperate.

[wolverine316]

After that first Chlark scene with Chloe getting selfishly annoyed that Clark barely paid attention to her, I knew that this was the beginning of the end of Chlark friendship.

[Dannyblue1]

Having been reminded of "Lineage," I went back and pulled out exactly what Clark said to Chloe in that situation. It went something like this.

Clark: [Very angry] "Why are you so obsessed about my mother? Do I ask you questions about yours?"

Chloe's face falls at the mention of her mother.

Chloe: "No, I guess not."

Clark gets right up in Chloe's face, his anger boiling over.

Clark: [Spitefully] "Yeah, that's because she hasn't shown her face here in years!"

If you want to talk about friends saying hurtful things to each other...And, personally, I think that was so much worse than what Chloe said to Clark in "Prey."

I actually don't think Chloe was calling Clark a coward. She was just pointing out a fact. These kids are taking a risk letting people know about them, something Clark has not done. He has good reasons not to have done it. But he's been in the position where's he's thought about it, and all the consequences that go with it. So he should know, and sympathize with, how hard it was for them to make that decision.

Then how would he feel if someone he trusted ratted him out to the first person who asked?

[RedKRules]

I totally agree with you Danny !!!

[BadToad]

So what if chloe stood her ground is she supposed to be happy that he went behind her back? No.

Who is saying that Chloe can't stand her ground? Who here is saying that she had no reason to be angry with what Clark did? Who here is saying that Clark was completely blameless?

And please tell me what that has to do with it being OK for Chloe to imply that Clark is a coward for not coming forward? This despite the fact that Chloe has never come forward with her own abilities, even now. Heck, this from a woman who continues to lie and hide from her fiancee. And also with Chloe having the full knowledge that the position that Clark is in is not remotely the same as "her kids"?


but to say that chloe is wrong or awful for saying something when her friend just goes and does that to her-No way. he is getting there to becoming superman but he's not there yet.

Oh, OF COURSE, now I understand....Clark did something wrong, so Chloe was completely justified in taking a nasty cheap shot and implying he was a coward. :rolleyes:

Just wondering, is Chloe ever wrong?

If Chloe wants to be mad at Clark, fine, be mad. If Chloe wants to confront Clark about feeling betrayed, then fine, confront him. See...this is me saying that I have NO problem with Chloe being mad, or Chloe confronting Clark. However, that doesn't make it alright for Chloe to hit below the belt. Especially when she knows the comment is full of baloney.

Ya know, I can admit that Clark's dismissive comment about her group was rude, and uncalled for. I can admit that he shouldn't have had Chloe there if all he was going to do was listen to the police scanner. And I can admit that he should've tried reasoning with Chloe about the names before he took them. See, even though I like Clark, and he's my favorite, I have no problem admitting when he was wrong. And I'm glad he apologized.

Why is it so hard to admit that Chloe's comment was wrong?


Having been reminded of "Lineage," I went back and pulled out exactly what Clark said to Chloe in that situation. It went something like this.

Yeah, because it was not as if Clark was 16 at the time, and its not as if he hadn't just been confronted with a crazy woman in the school hallway insisting she was his mother.

[Kalista]

Having been reminded of "Lineage," I went back and pulled out exactly what Clark said to Chloe in that situation. It went something like this.

Clark: [Very angry] "Why are you so obsessed about my mother? Do I ask you questions about yours?"

Chloe's face falls at the mention of her mother.

Chloe: "No, I guess not."

Clark gets right up in Chloe's face, his anger boiling over.

Clark: [Spitefully] "Yeah, that's because she hasn't shown her face here in years!"

If you want to talk about friends saying hurtful things to each other...And, personally, I think that was so much worse than what Chloe said to Clark in "Prey."

I actually don't think Chloe was calling Clark a coward. She was just pointing out a fact. These kids are taking a risk letting people know about them, something Clark has not done. He has good reasons not to have done it. But he's been in the position where's he's thought about it, and all the consequences that go with it. So he should know, and sympathize with, how hard it was for them to make that decision.

Then how would he feel if someone he trusted ratted him out to the first person who asked?


Thanks for the quote. You made really good points. They love each other and would die for each other so I'm not going to try to make their argument to be more than it really was. As a Chlarker, it's painful for me to see them at odds but the beauty of their relationship lies in the fact that they always reconcile.

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it was supposed to be a draw...neither one was completely right and neither one was completely wrong. thats why it ended the way it did.

Well said.

[SalvadorianGirl]

Why is it so hard to admit that Chloe's comment was wrong?

Why is there such a need to get people to admit something they don't think was wrong?

[BadToad]

Why is there such a need to get people to admit something they don't think was wrong?

So, Chloe was right in implying Clark was a coward? Even though she herself hasn't come forward with her own abilities, nor does she seem to have any intention of doing so?

Yup, got it.

[oqllcksmallville]

She can look after herself without the cheapshots. I'm sure Clark could've come right back with a comment about Chloe hiding her own abilities, but he didn't.
i know ;
and she was asking clark ;
" what's with the 'tude ? "
she needs to watch her own !
i love her and all , but tone it down for real .

[Kalista]

Why is it so hard to admit that Chloe's comment was wrong?

What's wrong with the conclusion that two people who love each other dearly, let things get out of hand during an argument and said things they both admitted regretting later?

[SalvadorianGirl]

So, Chloe was right in implying Clark was a coward? Even though she herself hasn't come forward with her own abilities, nor does she seem to have any intention of doing so?

If people feel so because of the cirumstances surrounding what lead up to her saying that justify it enough for them, then yes there is no need for them to admit she was wrong.

I personally have no opinion either way on what she said about Clark. It was two friends fighting and gettin hot-headed and saying things without thinking them through. They got over it both and that's that.

Personally, since Clark didn't bring it up in their wrap up scene suggest to me that he didn't take to heart what Chloe said because he knows it was just anger and nothing more.

[RedKRules]

Thanks to her Braniacnishhh ability she helped to save Oliver and Clark from that crazy girl that wanted to mate ..... so she has come fowarded with her or Braniac powers ... and didn´t she heal Lex? hmmmmm ......

I don´t think Chloe called Clark coward ..... but JMO!! When Chloe crosses the line she is EVOLLLL, but when Clark does he can´t be called off ..... why ?? just because he has special abilities ... doesn´t give him the right to steal confindential information from his best friend ....

I think both were wrong and right tonight that is all I am going to say!

[Mary Sullivan]

They apologized. Clark ridiculed Chloe's therapy group and new job and Chloe threw it back into Clark's face that she's trying to help people who need it and that he could help so much if he would come forward as an alien.

Yes, both were wrong in all this.

[Kevin24]

Chloe crossed the line with her comment. You can bring up lineage all you want but two wrongs don't make a right.

Clark was justified in taking the list but what he did was wrong because Chloe told him she wouldn't give him the list. He was wrong when it came to ignoring his friends wishes to keep her "kids" from harms way.

Chloe could have said her piece without having to basically call him a coward for not revealing himself to the world. That was very spiteful and an ugly comment.

He is out there using his powers to save people and he has done so for 8 years now. He does all this without taking credit and he doesn't expect to get anything in return for doing his good deeds. He risks showing himself to the world by running around saving people.

I just think it's just a very bad comment by Chloe. If people knew who Clark was his enemies would attack the ones he loves to get to him. Clark has many enemies and they would do anything to have an advantage over him. So if Clark exposes himself he not only puts himself in danger but everyone he knows and loves in danger as well.

She had a right to be mad but she needs to tone down her attitude.

[Kalista]

Lineage wasn't mentioned in an attempt to paint neither Clark or Chloe in a negative light. It was just an example to show that they sometimes hurt each others feelings.

[Kevin24]

Lineage wasn't mentioned in an attempt to paint neither Clark or Chloe in a negative light. It was just an example to show that they sometimes hurt each others feelings.

It's too bad I don't have my season 2 boxset because I don't even remember that episode. I haven't seen the season 2 episodes since they first aired.

LOL, but Clark was way harsh in that conversation :lol:

[Kalista]

It's too bad I don't have my season 2 boxset because I don't even remember that episode. I haven't seen the season 2 episodes since they first aired.

LOL, but Clark was way harsh in that conversation :lol:


He was really upset about her investigating his adoption.

[xrayvision]

Interesting that you turn a thread about Chloe's treatment of Clark to be about Clois. I realize some might need to be defensive and bash Clois as much as possible to feel better about the fact that this season is really focusing on the iconic couple...but last time I checked, the title of this thread was 'Chloe indicating Clark a coward', not 'compare Clois to Chlark!' If you really feel the need to tell us Chlark is better than Clois (even if it has nothing to do with this thread) than stop trying to look for reasons to compare the relationship, and give us reasons why you think so. When you try so hard to find reasons to bash Clois, instead of tell us why the Chlark friendship is so great, it begins to look desperate.

I didn't get any hints of bashing in SueB's post. I think she was trying to point out TPTB's reasons for making Chloe say that line.

I personally didn't like the line & thought they could have shown a fallout between Clark & Chloe without that line. But I do think that their reasons for doing this is to ultimately bring Clark & Lois together and show us why Chloe isn't part of Clark's life in the Superman years. There is nothing mean spirited about that. It's just one event of a series of events that will happen as things move towards their destinies.

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It's too bad I don't have my season 2 boxset because I don't even remember that episode. I haven't seen the season 2 episodes since they first aired.

LOL, but Clark was way harsh in that conversation :lol:

He had a right to be harsh if Chloe was digging into his adoption without any permission from him, especially after promising to stop digging in Zero.

[SnowBird]

All I can say is when Chloe was pointing her finger at Clark, she had three pointing back at her. It was a harsh and uncalled for statement on her part. I do believe they both had regrets.

[Kevin24]

All I can say is when Chloe was pointing her finger at Clark, she had three pointing back at her. It was a harsh and uncalled for statement on her part. I do believe they both had regrets.

I really believe they both have regrets like you said.

[All about Clark]

I think there's more going on here with Chloe. In Toxic, Chloe is b!tching about Clark spending so much time with Lois. She mentally decides he will never be hers and moves on and stops loving him. She then can admit it freely to Jimmy/Jeweler. You have to admit when this situation occurs there's a bitterness towards that individual that disappointed you.

I honestly believe that this situation derived from Chloe being bitter about not getting Clark. She no longer sees him with rose colored glasses. And indicating him a coward was the one sure fire way to show her discontent.