View Full Version : Chloe needs out of Isis...STAT.
Bella882
10-23-2008, 09:41 PM
So yeah. Based on what I'm reading this story arc needs to wrap up. I don't buy her in this role. It's one thing picking up the slack here and there while Lana is temporarily MIA, it's another being a straight out mini Xavier clone head shrink to the Meteor infected. Chloe Sullivan being the mother teresa to the Meteor Infected...uhh nope.
Put her back into Journalism (I don't care if its the DP at this point), working as a hacker for the government legally, or the MPD whatever, Watchtower for the League...whatever man...just get her the hell out of this Mother Teresa/Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters 2.0/Lana hand me down facility. ASAP.
Iluvgreen
10-23-2008, 09:44 PM
Hey now hold it for just a second. she feels connected to these, what did she call them, "kids." so she is trying something different for a while. its not perminate. she'll go back to journalizm sooner or later. in the mean time this is interesting.
dru-zod2501
10-23-2008, 09:51 PM
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
borednow
10-23-2008, 10:13 PM
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
I think a miracle has happened cause I totally agree with what you just said :lol:
Firebunny
10-23-2008, 10:16 PM
At the very least Chloe needs to use all that money Lana stole from Lex and hire a trained professional to run the group therapy sessions.
So far her work with the Meteor infected has done more damage than its done good.
j-kent
10-23-2008, 10:16 PM
Agree with Zod...Isis is now functional and is serving its true purpose, and if it's anybody- Chloe would be the one to do that.
AndiGirl
10-23-2008, 10:16 PM
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
ITA, Chloe is really going out there and making a difference...and I think thats amazing. Honestly, journalism is great and all....but I think this is something that could really suite Chloe. She cant physically go out there and fight crime like Clark, so she's found a way to do her part. Nothing wrong with that.....:)
ClarkSupportsOrganic
10-23-2008, 10:20 PM
I miss Chloe being a reporter too, but her change from journalism was inevitable. She's not supposed to be working at the Daily Planet while Lois and Clark romance in the future.
At least she has an altruistic reason for leaving. It's less contrived than Clark getting the job at the Planet without any experience. :p
minerva73
10-23-2008, 10:24 PM
I liked the Chloe scenes and even though they didn't feel like Chloe was doing the best job at least she wasn't just walking around Smallville aimlessly.
I think that Chloe just needs to control the clients that she's working with so that they don't end up betraying each other and start fights which eventually could turn into rampages with powers. And Chloe looked very threatened when they talked to her at the candlelight vigil... All she needs is control and she'll be good IMO.
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any.
Signing off patient release forms for her patients as seen in Siren before Lionel Luthor confronted her. :)
Kalista
10-23-2008, 10:26 PM
At the very least Chloe needs to use all that money Lana stole from Lex and hire a trained professional to run the group therapy sessions.
So far her work with the Meteor infected has done more damage than its done good.
I think the writers have done a pretty good job at showing us that Chloe is qualified to counsel the meteor infected. Just like Siren, did an excellent job of showing why she isn't cut out to be Watchtower, especially without Clark around.
Storm45
10-23-2008, 10:26 PM
At least she has an altruistic reason for leaving. It's less contrived than Clark getting the job at the Planet without any experience.
Chloe has no qualifications to be a counselor. So I guess Clark and Chloe are even. Except that Chloe doesn't seem really competent in her new role. To date two people she tried to help had turned to Tess.
AndiGirl
10-23-2008, 10:30 PM
I think the writers have done a pretty good job at showing us that Chloe is qualified to counsel the meteor infected. Just like Siren, did an excellent job of showing why she isn't cut out to be Watchtower, especially without Clark around.
I dont think she is technically qualified though...counselors still have to go to school and get a degree like any other medical profession.
To me...it wasnt the normal kind of counseling...which made it alright. It was a group of teens sitting in a circle and communicating. I think thats her goal...to provide a safe environment for them to come and get things off their chests.
I do find it funny that people magically appear in their profession of choice on smallville! Chloe...wants to be a counselor, Boom...no problem. Clark...a reporter, woop....please, lets try something difficult! MM...an alien with no prior job (atleast not on earth) Zap....he's a cop!! :lol: "Shelby....hey boy....do you want to be an astronaut, cause this is smallville...we can pull some strings!!" ;):p
SalvadorianGirl
10-23-2008, 10:35 PM
She does because clearly the show is setting up that Isis is not where she's meant to be.
We've seen two for two how Chloe isn't really helping them as per Isis. We've seen even in this episode with her need to investigate everything that was happening that the best way to help them is to put it to pen. The way to truly help and getting the groundwork for meteor freaks to have good lives is to make the public aware and show that they are no different than them.
Kalista
10-23-2008, 10:37 PM
the best way to help them is to put it to pen. The way to truly help and getting the groundwork for meteor freaks to have good lives is to make the public aware and show that they are no different than them.
I agree and that's why 33.1 needs to be exposed.
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I dont think she is technically qualified though...counselors still have to go to school and get a degree like any other medical profession.
But she has not been successful in helping them as pointed out by a poster above. Two of her patients have ended up in Tess' hands.
AndiGirl
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
She does because clearly the show is setting up that Isis is not where she's meant to be.
We've seen two for two how Chloe isn't really helping them as per Isis. We've seen even in this episode with her need to investigate everything that was happening that the best way to help them is to put it to pen. The way to truly help and getting the groundwork for meteor freaks to have good lives is to make the public aware and show that they are no different than them.
I dont know if thats the only way....it's certainly a way though. Another way is to do what Chloe is trying to accomplish. We cant judge her efforts too harshly...she's just starting out...and mishaps are bound to happen.
I agree, one way to make a difference is letting the public know that these people arent as bad as everyone wants to think. But counseling the individuals directly is an amazing thing as well. Most of these kids are confused and alone. They need a place like the Isis foundation to feel safe and that they actually belong somewhere. I think it takes a lot more personal care and time then writing an article ...and Chloe is perfect for it. How could she not be with that big heart of hers?
So I wouldnt say what Chloe's doing is any less of a "good fight" then writing for the DP.
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I agree and that's why 33.1 needs to be exposed.
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But she has not been successful in helping them as pointed out by a poster above. Two of her patients have ended up in Tess' hands.
She's just getting started...and with any new organization there's bound to be mishaps. I think it just needs more time.
ginnyfan
10-24-2008, 12:31 AM
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
I agree. Not only does it seem legitimate for the first time. But they are finally grounding it in Chloe's character rather than Chloe house sitting for Lana or using it to store stuff for the Green Arrow's league. I really liked the reference to all the meteor enhanced people that she's investigated over the years. Yes there's a part of me that wants Chloe back in Journalism but... who knows? It may seem too limiting for Chloe once PS3 get through with her story arc.
Kalista
10-24-2008, 01:53 AM
She's just getting started...and with any new organization there's bound to be mishaps. I think it just needs more time.
That is one way to look at the situation. But I think the writers are showing us that this is another career alternative that just won't work for Chloe.
Arwenstar
10-24-2008, 02:05 AM
ISIS doesn't work out for Chloe. I think that viewers can get a sense of that because everything is just not going too well--she doesn't know these people and as much as she wants to relate to them and help them, she's better off as a reporter that's on the side of justice. After all, she's spent YEARS pursuing investigative journalism--NOT as a counselor.
I think we've seen that a lot this season--if somebody doesn't belong, it is instantly awkward and "there is something wrong here" hints can be seen.
Kalista
10-24-2008, 02:06 AM
ISIS doesn't work out for Chloe. I think that viewers can get a sense of that because everything is just not going too well--she doesn't know these people and as much as she wants to relate to them and help them, she's better off as a reporter that's on the side of justice. After all, she's spent YEARS pursuing investigative journalism--NOT as a counselor.
ITA
I think we've seen that a lot this season--if somebody doesn't belong, it is instantly awkward and "there is something wrong here" hints can be seen.
That is so true.
dru-zod2501
10-24-2008, 02:51 AM
ISIS doesn't work out for Chloe. I think that viewers can get a sense of that because everything is just not going too well--she doesn't know these people and as much as she wants to relate to them and help them, she's better off as a reporter that's on the side of justice. After all, she's spent YEARS pursuing investigative journalism--NOT as a counselor.
I think we've seen that a lot this season--if somebody doesn't belong, it is instantly awkward and "there is something wrong here" hints can be seen.
so by that logic, Clark cannot & should never be Superman. After all, he's spent YEARS pursuing his own dreams of normalcy and human anonymity--NOT as a proactive guardian of Metropolis.
Many viewers (and especially I) have been getting those "there is something wrong here" hints (actually they weren't even hints. They were glaring, painfully obvious facts) for the last several years. And yet here we are, all counting down till Superman takes flight. will anyone stand up and say they don't think this "Superman" thing would work for Clark? Until this season I would've been the first to do so! I'm not saying I believe it yet, I'm saying I'm neutral now. But I digress...
I don't know what's coming for Chloe. My point is I wouldn't make such definite predictions based on so few of the character's struggles. If everyone gave Clark a free pass for YEARS, why shouldn't Chloe get at least the benefit of the doubt?
TheAmazingApe
10-24-2008, 03:19 AM
I'd be more on board with Detective Sullivan or Chloe Sullivan, rebel publisher of a Lone Gunmen-esque newspaper than Ms. Sullivan: Den mother to the MF set.
Chloe comes alive when she investigates. Being a couselor is just not for her. Whether she writes or not, the girl has a need to get to the bottom of things. She started out as an investigative journalist. And.. you know what? If she can't do both, she should at least be doing one.
rogueslayer1985
10-24-2008, 05:35 AM
So yeah. Based on what I'm reading this story arc needs to wrap up. I don't buy her in this role. It's one thing picking up the slack here and there while Lana is temporarily MIA, it's another being a straight out mini Xavier clone head shrink to the Meteor infected. Chloe Sullivan being the mother teresa to the Meteor Infected...uhh nope.
Put her back into Journalism (I don't care if its the DP at this point), working as a hacker for the government legally, or the MPD whatever, Watchtower for the League...whatever man...just get her the hell out of this Mother Teresa/Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters 2.0/Lana hand me down facility. ASAP.
i agree bud, take her away from being saint chloe and put her in the snarky go getter role that we love her in. Come on chloe journalism is calling you name!!!
Kalista
10-24-2008, 06:18 AM
Come on chloe journalism is calling you name!!!
I agree. That's why her plans to counsel meteor freaks aren't going so smoothly. She is destined for one profession and it doesn't include being Watchtower full time or mentoring meteor freaks. Counseling the meteor freaks won't do anything to prevent them from being abused in 33.1 facilities. The project needs to be exposed because that is one of the best ways to help them.
Firebunny
10-24-2008, 06:23 AM
I agree. That's why her plans to counsel meteor freaks aren't going so smoothly. She is destined for one profession and it doesn't include being Watchtower full time or mentoring meteor freaks. Counseling the meteor freaks won't do anything to prevent them from being abused in 33.1 facilities. The project needs to be exposed because that is one of the best ways to help them. True. Chloe would do a better job exposing Tess' new 33.1 than to try to counsel the meteor infected. To date two of her clients have gone over to Tess and one was murdered. She's making a difference with Isis, but not in a good way.
If she funneled her energy to an area she's good at (journalism) she could make the kind of difference she wants to make.
stenochick
10-24-2008, 06:41 AM
I think this new career for Chloe works on a lot of levels.
It puts her in conflict with Clark and gives her scenes with Clark where she is not his brain or his sidekick, but her own person.
She is a "meteor freak" herself so it makes sense that she would be drawn to working with them and on their behalf. She is now able to put to use in a constructive way all her years of research and her Wall of Weird.
Also, I agree with what Firebunny has said. She can take her gifts as a truth-seeker and investigator and channel it into something more meaningful and transcendant than what's on the front page of the newspaper. With a 24-hour news cycle, news becomes old within hours and then there is the rat race to dig up more dirt to report.
I think Chloe likes to go much deeper than that.
And, like Firebunny stated, Chloe is going to start catching on to Tess Injustice League as she becomes aware of her clients disappearing. This will put her right in the middle of the action and right in Tess' crosshairs.
TWNik
10-24-2008, 10:19 AM
Yes, she does. That isn't where Chloe belongs, & tonight more than proved that fact.
RedKRules
10-24-2008, 10:50 AM
Chloe is way better off as a Reporter, period. JMO!
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I agree. That's why her plans to counsel meteor freaks aren't going so smoothly. She is destined for one profession and it doesn't include being Watchtower full time or mentoring meteor freaks. Counseling the meteor freaks won't do anything to prevent them from being abused in 33.1 facilities. The project needs to be exposed because that is one of the best ways to help them.
ITA!:cool:
AndiGirl
10-24-2008, 11:06 AM
I think this new career for Chloe works on a lot of levels.
It puts her in conflict with Clark and gives her scenes with Clark where she is not his brain or his sidekick, but her own person.
She is a "meteor freak" herself so it makes sense that she would be drawn to working with them and on their behalf. She is now able to put to use in a constructive way all her years of research and her Wall of Weird.
Also, I agree with what Firebunny has said. She can take her gifts as a truth-seeker and investigator and channel it into something more meaningful and transcendant than what's on the front page of the newspaper. With a 24-hour news cycle, news becomes old within hours and then there is the rat race to dig up more dirt to report.
I think Chloe likes to go much deeper than that.
And, like Firebunny stated, Chloe is going to start catching on to Tess Injustice League as she becomes aware of her clients disappearing. This will put her right in the middle of the action and right in Tess' crosshairs.
ITA
I dont understand why people are writing off her new career choice after 1 episode?? :confused: True...it was a very hectic episode where her students lives were at stake. But the fact that she stood up to clark and wouldnt willingly give him her kids names....shows me just how much this new job means to her.
People mess up...thats life. Chloe is just getting her barings straight in her new job.Her job just happens to be life/death situations. Like someone else said a page back...we didnt all give up on clark being superman did we? Because thats been years in the making...and it certainly hasnt been a light switch process. Then there's Lois....now turning into a star reporter, not always the case was it???
I think we all want to see Chloe go back to reporting...but its not fair to say thats because she isnt cut out to be a counselor. Maybe thats just what you all want for the character...and not actually what Chloe wants and needs? (Yes...I will branch out for a moment and pretend chloe is real and look out for her well being. :lol:).
I guess I just think it's too soon to throw in the towel...and yes, chloe started out as an ace reporter...but peoples lives and goals change. I think we atleast owe Chloe a chance to prove herself. :)
Ayanne
10-24-2008, 11:21 AM
Chloe's a reporter. That's her talent & calling! She needs to go back ASAP!!
harryandginnyfanatic
10-24-2008, 11:40 AM
It's a rare thing to see Chloe doing the actual job she gets paid for.
At least Lana's money isn't going to waste like the DP's was.
RedKRules
10-24-2008, 11:49 AM
I think the DP is the one that is losing here, not Chloe .....
Ayanne
10-24-2008, 12:05 PM
I think the DP is the one that is losing here, not Chloe .....
Yes, they lost a talented & qualified reporter!! Chloe belongs at the DP, more than any other character.
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
I agree.
Kalista
10-24-2008, 12:09 PM
Yes, they lost a talented & qualified reporter!! Chloe belongs at the DP, more than any other character.
I agree.
LovelyLoisLane
10-24-2008, 12:13 PM
I guess I just think it's too soon to throw in the towel...and yes, chloe started out as an ace reporter...but peoples lives and goals change. I think we atleast owe Chloe a chance to prove herself. :)
I honestly saw her interest in reporting waning long before this season. Her passion for justice didn't but she wasn't nearly as interested in making the front page and hasn't been in a long time.
It IS a part of her character however and like it said in an interview I read (I forget which one, there have been so damn many this season!), it ties into what she does now and she carries with her as it develops her into this person that she wants to be.
I wasn't all that thrilled with her in 'Prey' BUT I do like that they are giving her the oppourtunity to get away from 'looking for info for Clark' and going out there and trying to sort of be her own heroine and not just the sidekick. Does that make sense? I was very proud of her tonight, even if I didn't agree with her about everything, because she is really being her own person and I can respect that.
I agree also with the person that said 'Prey' was the first episode that Isis was actually legit in any manner. Before it was just mentioned but we only saw it as a place for Lana to go be dark and devious. Chloe, being meteor-infected and now BrainIAC infected is also in a good position to really understand and counsel her fellow MFs.
It makes her come across as very adult, and as a character that is attractive to me. I also don't think she's lost her nose for investigating either, or her interest in that aspect of her former job. Because as I mentioned above, it ties into her work at Isis. I can easily see her continuing that to further her assitance for her clients. Especially looking forward at her going toe-to-toe with Tess and the Injustice League.
It's a rare thing to see Chloe doing the actual job she gets paid for.
At least Lana's money isn't going to waste like the DP's was.
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ITA
I dont understand why people are writing off her new career choice after 1 episode?? :confused: True...it was a very hectic episode where her students lives were at stake. But the fact that she stood up to clark and wouldnt willingly give him her kids names....shows me just how much this new job means to her.
People mess up...thats life. Chloe is just getting her barings straight in her new job.Her job just happens to be life/death situations. Like someone else said a page back...we didnt all give up on clark being superman did we? Because thats been years in the making...and it certainly hasnt been a light switch process. Then there's Lois....now turning into a star reporter, not always the case was it???
I think we all want to see Chloe go back to reporting...but its not fair to say thats because she isnt cut out to be a counselor. Maybe thats just what you all want for the character...and not actually what Chloe wants and needs? (Yes...I will branch out for a moment and pretend chloe is real and look out for her well being. :lol:).
I guess I just think it's too soon to throw in the towel...and yes, chloe started out as an ace reporter...but peoples lives and goals change. I think we atleast owe Chloe a chance to prove herself. :)
Yeah, I think that this is a good way to look at it.
At the end of the day, Chloe seems happy to me. (Well, as happy as anyone can be on this show.) She doesn't seem to think that she's found her calling and there's a good reason why: She's got powers now.
I think they set up her shift from journalism from S5- onwards and who she is today makes sense to me. It also gives her some pretty juicy storylines and something to do besides exposition.
This is one of the first seasons, in a long time, that I'm enjoying Chloe's scenes. It's a bit odd that she's counseling people without any certificates or educational experience, but that's par for the course in "SV" world. No one needs education to do any career.
AndiGirl
10-24-2008, 12:27 PM
It's a rare thing to see Chloe doing the actual job she gets paid for.
At least Lana's money isn't going to waste like the DP's was.
I was actually thinking about Isis though....how does Chloe get paid exactly? I know...not the point, but I'm just curious. I'm pretty sure it's a non profit organization. Since Chloe's the only one there...does she just dip into the funds when it's time to pay rent?? :confused:
I also agree with LovelyLoisLane. This has always been in Chloe...she just didnt know how to express it. I also saw her drive to report waning over time...and I think she has a new fire lit under her, and thats great.
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Yeah, I think that this is a good way to look at it.
At the end of the day, Chloe seems happy to me. (Well, as happy as anyone can be on this show.) She doesn't seem to think that she's found her calling and there's a good reason why: She's got powers now.
I think they set up her shift from journalism from S5- onwards and who she is today makes sense to me. It also gives her some pretty juicy storylines and something to do besides exposition.
This is one of the first seasons, in a long time, that I'm enjoying Chloe's scenes. It's a bit odd that she's counseling people without any certificates or educational experience, but that's par for the course in "SV" world. No one needs education to do any career.
Exactly...she's doing her own thing and seems very happy. Thats good enough for me! :)
Storm45
10-24-2008, 12:53 PM
She doesn't necessarily needs to go back to journalism or the DP.
But I miss the Chloe who went into the field like she did in episodes like Nicodemus, Truth and tons of others before season 5. Making her just sitting behind a desk or being just a sidekick and now some counselor/mother Teresa... I don't feel it. That's not her. That's not the girl who's used to live on the edge (as she said in episode 1).
Characters do change but in Chloe's case why mess with something that was working? Unlike Clark, Lois and lex her future isn't set in stones. There were tons of interesting stuff they could have done with Chloe, IMO.
Eurynome
10-24-2008, 12:56 PM
I think this episode highlighted why Chloe is working at the Isis Foundation. Last season, having a meteor power kept her isolated; she felt like she couldn't share her secret and only during duress of a death threat, did she confide in Jimmy. Chloe spent years in high school trying to expose people with gifts and watching them become psycho killers, only be put in the same boat herself. Having a support group means that if these other people with meteor abilities can be saved, then there's some hope that she won't be subject to the same fate.
Ayanne
10-24-2008, 01:06 PM
It's a rare thing to see Chloe doing the actual job she gets paid for.
At least Lana's money isn't going to waste like the DP's was.
Was Chloe attending "Monster Truck Rallies" or banging the boss on his desk? Did EDLois get "paid" for that? :rolleyes:
Mod Note: Back on topic please
LovelyLoisLane
10-24-2008, 01:17 PM
Was this thread about Lois? Didn't think so.
I agree that Chloe probably likes trying to help the meteor infected but it gives her hope for herself, but I think it also makes her feel pro-active and both the character and the actress seem pleased by the direction.
I have no reason to want her to go back to the DP if she isn't interested in doing so.
ms.c.
10-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Chloe quitting reporting reminds me of when Michael Jordan quit basketball and tried to play pro baseball. He wasn't very good at it and people were puzzled why he would give up on a gift like that. Eventually, he went back to his gift, basketball.
I'm guessing Chloe, like Ollie, is just going thru a rough patch right now. She was doing something she cared about deeply and she's having a crisis of faith. She wasn't sure what she was doing mattered enough. The point is that Chloe can do a lot more good reporting the news than being a counselor. The proof is that so far one kid has been murdered and two other kids have been recruited over to the Tess' Legion of Doom/
The storyline is reminding me of when Chloe's Wall of Weird list was used to target meteor freaks. I think McNulty did this, but did it come up again with Summerholt in Delete contacting freaks that way? I think so. Same idea, Chloe's work used for a bad purpose.
Firebunny
10-24-2008, 03:20 PM
The storyline is reminding me of when Chloe's Wall of Weird list was used to target meteor freaks. I think McNulty did this, but did it come up again with Summerholt in Delete contacting freaks that way? I think so. Same idea, Chloe's work used for a bad purpose. I wonder if that'll come up later, that Tess is keeping an eye on what Chloe's doing. She did have a key to let herself into Isis.
If you look at Chloe's success rate she is a much better journalist than a mutant counselor. Also the journalism was more interesting to watch. The mutant counseling is pretty boring.
Hey now hold it for just a second. she feels connected to these, what did she call them, "kids." so she is trying something different for a while. its not perminate. she'll go back to journalizm sooner or later. in the mean time this is interesting.
Let's not kid ourself, she will never go back to journalism, because she has to much ambition to be bested by her cousin and take it calmly! The fact is the worl of journalism isn't big enough for the two of them, even if Chloe were to get a job at the New York Times, or some other major newspaper!
And what's wrong with her work at the Isis, she is ten times better at it than Lana, who just used it as a pasttime and to shadow Lex, talk about wasted money, time and recourses! At least Chloe actually tries to help! Then she still has her sidjob as Watchtower, so her hands ar full! There is nothing wrong with her current occupation!
TWNik
10-24-2008, 03:54 PM
I wonder if that'll come up later, that Tess is keeping an eye on what Chloe's doing. She did have a key to let herself into Isis.
If you look at Chloe's success rate she is a much better journalist than a mutant counselor. Also the journalism was more interesting to watch. The mutant counseling is pretty boring.
The journalism is one of Chloe's core characteristics. She is good at it, & since this is Superman = Justice. Chloe earned her place at the DP, she was unjustly fired by the Villain.
By all Justice, Chloe should return to the DP.
Dustmite
10-24-2008, 04:07 PM
Oh God yes.
I just want her to finish with ISIS.
By all Justice, Chloe should return to the DP.
Yes, I agree, but do you honestly think she could take the slap in the face of having Lois being plase higher up than her self, who actually got Lois interessted in journalism in the first place?
To have Lois be Clark's partner, when she herself was all those years back! OH, come on, let's not put salt in her wound!
Khyla
10-24-2008, 06:19 PM
Chloe quitting reporting reminds me of when Michael Jordan quit basketball and tried to play pro baseball. He wasn't very good at it and people were puzzled why he would give up on a gift like that. Eventually, he went back to his gift, basketball.
I'm guessing Chloe, like Ollie, is just going thru a rough patch right now. She was doing something she cared about deeply and she's having a crisis of faith. She wasn't sure what she was doing mattered enough. The point is that Chloe can do a lot more good reporting the news than being a counselor. The proof is that so far one kid has been murdered and two other kids have been recruited over to the Tess' Legion of Doom/
The storyline is reminding me of when Chloe's Wall of Weird list was used to target meteor freaks. I think McNulty did this, but did it come up again with Summerholt in Delete contacting freaks that way? I think so. Same idea, Chloe's work used for a bad purpose.
ITA
And her line to Clark about tracking and profiling like 327 over the years, since she first became aware of them, and she's helped not one, is pretty much reinforcing that.
Chloe stinks as a counselor. Let's look at the people she's been charged with looking after/ mentoring:
The Boy in Subterranean- he ran away and was captured by the mole man.
Lana in Reckoning- Lana slipped away and almost died.
Bette- was recruited by Tess, and almost killed Chloe.
Mary (Prey)- was killed.
Shadow Boy- was recruited by Tess.
Chloe's not a Mother Theresa type person, she's too cynical for that. She should be doing something which highlights her personality type. Nurturing/mentoring isn't it.
LookUpDown
10-24-2008, 06:25 PM
I loved her at the Planet. She needs to go back.
lillie_poo_pod
10-24-2008, 06:28 PM
Yes. Chloe really needs to go back to reporting asap. Its nice to want to try out something new, but it isn't working for her, and I think its obvious the writers are letting us see that its not.
DontCha
10-24-2008, 06:32 PM
Was Chloe attending "Monster Truck Rallies" or banging the boss on his desk? Did EDLois get "paid" for that? :rolleyes:
I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to turn into a Lois bashing thread..
new record:rolleyes:
forgive me folks, im treading in such a sea of bitterness that Im struggling to stay afloat
lillie_poo_pod
10-24-2008, 06:34 PM
I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to turn into a Lois bashing thread..
new record:rolleyes:
forgive me folks, im treading in such a sea of bitterness that Im struggling to stay afloat
Well, its not exactly a surprise how it got started in the first place.:\
Kalista
10-24-2008, 06:44 PM
Yes. Chloe really needs to go back to reporting asap. Its nice to want to try out something new, but it isn't working for her, and I think its obvious the writers are letting us see that its not.
If they wanted to convince the audience that counseling was her true calling, then they could show her having a measure of success in her endeavor.
What stood out to me was her line to Clark about how she was unable to save the hundreds of meteor freaks that she had profiled over the years.
----- Added 41 Seconds later -----
Well, its not exactly a surprise how it got started in the first place.:\
Not to mention, no one is really talking about that person anyway. Please.:rolleyes:
redRound
10-24-2008, 06:51 PM
I really liked Chloe at the Isis.
vyperman7
10-24-2008, 07:06 PM
I am torn on it. On one hand, Isis actually seems like it serves a purpose now and it is going in the right direction. However, I don't know how I feel about Chloe playing the role of guidance councelar to the FOTW's. I would have prefered to see some more episodes tied to breaking Chloe into the role and having her slowly build up the trust of the meteor infected. However, in the span of one episode, she already has a full group and is trying to come off like a veteran in the position.
Bre723
10-24-2008, 07:07 PM
Yeah, I don't really like her over there either.
she just seems...different i guess.
almost annoying.
i miss my daily planet reporter chloe!!!!!!!!
DontCha
10-24-2008, 07:12 PM
If they wanted to convince the audience that counseling was her true calling, then they could show her having a measure of success in her endeavor.
What stood out to me was her line to Clark about how she was unable to save the hundreds of meteor freaks that she had profiled over the years.
----- Added 41 Seconds later -----
Not to mention, no one is really talking about that person anyway. Please.:rolleyes:
yes but when it does happen its a really REALLY foul remark.:rolleyes: which just BEGS for a retaliation....
AndiGirl
10-24-2008, 07:29 PM
Chloe stinks as a counselor. Let's look at the people she's been charged with looking after/ mentoring:
The Boy in Subterranean- he ran away and was captured by the mole man.
Lana in Reckoning- Lana slipped away and almost died.
Bette- was recruited by Tess, and almost killed Chloe.
Mary (Prey)- was killed.
Shadow Boy- was recruited by Tess.
Chloe's not a Mother Theresa type person, she's too cynical for that. She should be doing something which highlights her personality type. Nurturing/mentoring isn't it.
I dont think Lana...the boy from suterranean...or even Bette for that matter can be on this list. Chloe wasnt running Isis during any of their mishaps...and she's not wonder woman, so she couldnt possibly help all of them. Her job was to look after Lana...not counsel her. When Lana needs someone to talk to...Chloe is always there ready to listen and give advice. The boy from Suteranean was determined to get away...and he did. Chloe turned away for one second...it could have and would have literally happend to anyone. Then...Bette tried to kill Chloe. I'm pretty sure anyone would have thrown in the towel after that. Chloe wasnt pleased by it by any means...but she couldnt let a girl who tried to take her life continue living with her.
The other two cases....yes, they were terrible and on her watch. But once again....Mary called the boy in the group "pocket protector" which I'm guessing is the reason he goes after her. All Chloe did was have a group meeting...and she cant control or save everyone all the time. Once they walk out those doors there's little she can do to keep them safe.
What she can do is offer them service and guidance, and place to feel safe for a short while. People seem to think being a counselor means having awesome turn outs all of the time...thats just not the case. For someone who's just starting out, Chloe has taken on more then she can handle. I will agree there....she needs to tone it back a bit. But is she a bad counselor...or not cut out for the job? Not even slightly. She wants to make a difference in the world...and thats a lot more then most people. So yes, I do think she is mother Theresa-ish...because she has a huge heart and genuinely wants to help others.
I will be honest (and I am not aiming this at you Jory...I just happend to quote your post) I think a lot of the Chloe fans want to see the young...spunky Chloe again. And i'm sorry....but that little girl is long gone. She was a naive 15 year old girl when the show began. If she was the same girl...i would be worried!! :lol: She is 21 years old....and has a new ambition in life. I think when she wanted to be a reporter it was largely to uncover the "wall of weird freaks" but now that she's one of them she has a new sense of herself....and a true empathy for those infected. She has been given an amazing opportunity to make a difference in the world, and she's taking it. Clark saves people with his powers...and she's going to try and save them mentally so less meteor freaks "lose it" and go on a killing sprees.
Woo...i dont know why I'm so firey about this!! :lol: I think it's because people seem to want what they personally want for Chloe....and not what could be best for the character. Thats all I want....for people to consider that this makes Chloe happy, and she's just starting out...so cut the girl some slack!!
That...and I'm majoring in "Human development counseling" and I wish we had people with half the heart of Chloe Sullivan!! :)
wolverine316
10-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Why is it so difficult for posters to accept the fact that people change careers or aspirations all the time? Yes Chloe wanted to be a reporter since she was a kid. Times have changed.
AndiGirl
10-24-2008, 07:47 PM
Why is it so difficult for posters to accept the fact that people change careers or aspirations all the time? Yes Chloe wanted to be a reporter since she was a kid. Times have changed.
I really have no idea! :lol:
I mean...I desperately wanted to be a marine biologist when I was 15....and five years later, I'm working towards becoming a counselor.
People change their minds.....thats just life. I dont know why Chloe isnt allowed to do the same?
oqllcksmallville
10-24-2008, 07:52 PM
This is the first time Isis has looked anything like a legitimate operation. Besides spying on Lex what was Lana really doing, with her cients? Part of me wonders if she even had any. And no one can understand what they're going through better than one of their own. If chloe goes back to journalism ok, if not no big loss. This does seem like a bigger cause to fight for than getting out the late edition
yeah , i dont think she did anything .
she used it as her headquaters .
not headquuaters for the metor infected .
in fact ,
did she ever meet with people or anything ?
Firebunny
10-24-2008, 08:09 PM
I'll say this for Lana. When she was running it Isis may have only been a front for her spying, but at least none of the people she pretended to try to help ended up dead or joining the army of evil.
oqllcksmallville
10-24-2008, 08:24 PM
^ kay , but ;
she wasn't helping anyone .
like , she didnt even pretend to help people .
she just throwed out a front and was like ; done it .
she didn't even care for anyone .
atleast ; chloe's trying her best right ?
Kalista
10-24-2008, 08:25 PM
I'll say this for Lana. When she was running it Isis may have only been a front for her spying, but at least none of the people she pretended to try to help ended up dead or joining the army of evil.
So, even Lana was more successful at counseling the meteor infected.
ginnyfan
10-24-2008, 08:34 PM
That...and I'm majoring in "Human development counseling" and I wish we had people with half the heart of Chloe Sullivan!! :)
Great post AndiGirl. Not just that line... the whole thing. I don't know if this will be what Chloe decides to do forever... but I agree that the way she's taken on Isis now is admirable and brave.
Mary Sullivan
10-24-2008, 08:41 PM
Journalism is in Chloe's blood. She is failing badly in helping those kids, it's the second one she has lost in 6 episodes. That says a lot to me.
Chloe needs to be back to the place she belongs: The Daily Planet.
lillie_poo_pod
10-24-2008, 08:55 PM
I'll say this for Lana. When she was running it Isis may have only been a front for her spying, but at least none of the people she pretended to try to help ended up dead or joining the army of evil.
This. And Lana actually had other people there working for her, which is what Chloe should do.
AndiGirl
10-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Great post AndiGirl. Not just that line... the whole thing. I don't know if this will be what Chloe decides to do forever... but I agree that the way she's taken on Isis now is admirable and brave.
Thanks!! :)
I dont know if she will be there forever...but it's nice she's exploring her options and choosing a profession where she can help others.
----- Added 2 Minutes later -----
Journalism is in Chloe's blood. She is failing badly in helping those kids, it's the second one she has lost in 6 episodes. That says a lot to me.
Chloe needs to be back to the place she belongs: The Daily Planet.
But who's to say those kids wouldnt have died with or without her help? The point is meteor infected individuals are being targeted...and Chloe wants to do what she can. Which I find noble.
Ok...thats my last post in here, it's obvious I'm just repeating myself. :lol:
dru-zod2501
10-24-2008, 09:58 PM
I'll say this for Lana. When she was running it Isis may have only been a front for her spying, but at least none of the people she pretended to try to help ended up dead or joining the army of evil.
When Lana was running things she was partially responsible for releasing Brainy, sending Kara to the PZ, injuring both herself and Chloe, & who knows what else? The queen of mean Trumps all again.
Firebunny
10-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Yes, but she wasn't trying not to release Brainiac, keep Kara on Earth or prevent her and Chloe from being injured.
harryandginnyfanatic
10-24-2008, 11:43 PM
I wish we had people with half the heart of Chloe Sullivan!!
Well, according to Doctor Knox, the Kryptonite concentration in her heart is "extraordinary".
Chloe needs to be back to the place she belongs: The Daily Planet.
So she can go back to hacking and sidekicking for Clark, instead of being a real reporter? I don't think so.
Season 7 Companion:
Holly Harold says, “life changes, and so does her dedication to Clark, and I guess what I would call her higher calling.” She adds, “Evil is out there. The Lexes and the Brainiacs can and will hurt humanity. One job at the Daily Planet is not all that, because she has a bigger calling.”
Caroline Dries add, “I think she is almost retiring her career and she’s going to become a selfless, full-on sidekick to Clark Kent, where’s she’s working toward the greater good.”
ShelbyKent
10-25-2008, 12:03 AM
I really have no idea! :lol:
I mean...I desperately wanted to be a marine biologist when I was 15....and five years later, I'm working towards becoming a counselor.
People change their minds.....thats just life. I dont know why Chloe isnt allowed to do the same? I agree. And it's not like Chloe's current career choice is so far removed from her past inclinations
When we first met Chloe, she had her Wall of Weird. Now Chloe has a pesudo-Wall of Weird, but now on a much bigger scale (Isis). Chloe even dug out her old Meteor Freak profiles from back in the day, and it's still useful!
So nothing has changed when it comes to her interests and involvement in the weird and in the meteor freakish. There only significant change I would say is, in the past Chloe just wanted to satisfy her curiosity and prove that her hunches about the MF's were right. Now, Chloe's actions/goals are more humanitarian in nature. She wants to reach out to MF's and help them cope, rather than expose them and prove her theories right.
Storm45
10-25-2008, 01:05 AM
Her inclination isn't in question. Its her activities and the Mother Teresa moniker that may not suit Chloe. I see her more actively searching or investigates what happens with the meteor freaks (i.e: level 33.1) then reaching out to them so they could get help than doing an actual counseling. I have a feeling though, that TPTB just didn't want to have too many characters being investigators.
Also the journalism was more interesting to watch. The mutant counseling is pretty boring.
I guess it partly explains why there's some resistance towards Chloe's new career.
Also, I would like to point out one fact: Chloe is a fictional character. Her ''life'' ,''choices'' and ''aspirations'' are nothing more than the thinking of TV writers. So in this regard, I'll take more in consideration what makes me happy, as a viewer, than what makes the fictional character happy.
Caroline Dries add, “I think she is almost retiring her career and she’s going to become a selfless, full-on sidekick to Clark Kent, where’s she’s working toward the greater good.”
And lose her personnality in the process. :rolleyes:
ginnyfan
10-25-2008, 09:26 AM
So nothing has changed when it comes to her interests and involvement in the weird and in the meteor freakish. There only significant change I would say is, in the past Chloe just wanted to satisfy her curiosity and prove that her hunches about the MF's were right. Now, Chloe's actions/goals are more humanitarian in nature. She wants to reach out to MF's and help them cope, rather than expose them and prove her theories right.
It's great development for her character and from Chloe's POV a sort of absolution for what she feels was a missed opportunity and maybe insensitivity towards the meteor infected in the past. That's not to say that the reputation of crazy meteor freaks was unearned but... it's cool to see Chloe being proactive at Isis and connecting it to her past at the Torch.
Holly Harold says, “life changes, and so does her dedication to Clark, and I guess what I would call her higher calling.” She adds, “Evil is out there. The Lexes and the Brainiacs can and will hurt humanity. One job at the Daily Planet is not all that, because she has a bigger calling.”
Caroline Dries add, “I think she is almost retiring her career and she’s going to become a selfless, full-on sidekick to Clark Kent, where’s she’s working toward the greater good.”
Thanks for posting this. In a world of super heroes, being a side kick is a viable career option. If Chloe IS going to be a sidekick I prefer something like Watchtower where she's an equal part of a whole AND getting paid.
Sidekick or not I still want to see Chloe with her own interests and her own pursuits. Journalism... Isis... whatever she decides. I think that... Chloe's revelation about the meteor infected AND her work with Clark could have transformed her as a journalist. That would have been as interesting to watch as Isis. One of the reasons I loved Hydro is that Chloe talked about what kind of Journalist she wanted to be. Linda Lake was similar to "Truth" Chloe. So similarly, Chloe could have decided to focus her articles on "good" meteor infected people. Stories that combat prejudice and stereotypes. She could have become a crusader for the Isis cause WITHIN Journalism. They started this with Grant Gabriel in a deleted scene. It's something that could have continued...at another paper... I guess Chloe could still freelance or something.
I love Isis but... I think a similar storyline could have been possible within Journalism.
Black Panda
10-25-2008, 03:58 PM
Holly Harold says, “life changes, and so does her dedication to Clark, and I guess what I would call her higher calling.” She adds, “Evil is out there. The Lexes and the Brainiacs can and will hurt humanity. One job at the Daily Planet is not all that, because she has a bigger calling.”
Caroline Dries add, “I think she is almost retiring her career and she’s going to become a selfless, full-on sidekick to Clark Kent, where’s she’s working toward the greater good.”
What is really interesting is they introduce this idea right before the beginning of the new season. It makes sense to grow Chloe out of her old dreams if you needed to move Lois into Chloe's established roles of crack reporter, and partner with Clark.
Yet we don't see what those quotes seem to promise, do we? Chloe is stonewalling Clark on helping him. Further, though she seems to have moved onto a new career they have introduced the notion that Brainiac has infected her. It's clearly a question how much influence he has over her.
She does because clearly the show is setting up that Isis is not where she's meant to be.
Beyond it not quite fitting her personality I can't help but notice how she's clearly on an EVOL set.
Historically, Chloe has been in the brightly lit warm sets. When she was first working at Isis without Lana they brightened this very blue and Luther influenced set up, but it's quite dark and almost bordello seeming now. I keep seeing all sorts of metalic modern art art pieces both in the Talon and at Isis. They don't match with Chloe's kitchy eclectic tastes. It's the sort of visual association that suggests the producers don't want the viewer to be comfortable with these developments.
Before it was just mentioned but we only saw it as a place for Lana to go be dark and devious. Chloe, being meteor-infected and now BrainIAC infected is also in a good position to really understand and counsel her fellow MFs.
If that's what BrainiAC intends in the long run...Usually he's more about messing with people's heads than setting them right.:cool:
The storyline is reminding me of when Chloe's Wall of Weird list was used to target meteor freaks. I think McNulty did this, but did it come up again with Summerholt in Delete contacting freaks that way? I think so. Same idea, Chloe's work used for a bad purpose.
Yeah, I think that's definately what is being threatened.
I wonder if that'll come up later, that Tess is keeping an eye on what Chloe's doing. She did have a key to let herself into Isis.
Yeah, she's got two of Chloe's "kids" already.
Khyla
10-25-2008, 06:48 PM
Since this show's inception we have been given a rich history and a foreshadowed destiny for CHloe: that of being a reporter at the Daily Planet.
just as we've been told that being a symbol of hope and being a hero is Clark's destiny,
and that being the mastermind villain is Lex's destiny.
The show cannot now in good conscience change that, without changing it to a different story and show altogether!
:::::
the pilot:
Pete: Clark... you have to excuse our intrepid reporter.
Metamorphosis:
we are shown she's a step ahead of everyone else in the scoobying to dig out the clues, and comes up with a quick hypothesis. She's also the one to coin the phrases, names and the headlines (ex; BugBoy)
Hothead:
Coach Walt: Talking to the school newspaper, Trevor? (referring to CHloe)
Cool:
Chloe: The next time a guy asks me out, I'm definitely doing an in-depth background check
Rogue:
Chloe: ... the paper's kind of my identity and it's like the only thing that Clark and I do together
Leech:
Eric: So, uh, who came up with "Super Boy"?
Chloe: I did.
Chloe (to Clark): The second you start throwing people thirty feet, I'll write nice things about you too.
Kinetic:
The show opens with CHloe doing a recorded interview with Lex
Obscura:
Chloe: Well, I've got good news. The Daily Planet called and I got an internship.
... they read my article in the Ledger and I guess my work spoke for itself.
...Will you come visit me?
Clark: Yeah, of course. I would never pass up an opportunity to see you in your natural habitat.
Lineage:
Chloe: Look, you have to believe that I would burn my press pass if I thought it would come between us.
Clark: No you wouldn't. It's too much of who you are... And right now, I need it.
and so on....
skipping to Witness:
Chloe: There is no we anymore Clark! There's only me! And this paper was my whole life! It was the one place I could come to when everyone and everything let me down, and now, I don't even have that anymore!
(I guess that was "foreshadowing" ? :\ )
oh let's not forget,
Spirit:
Lois: You’re headed for Metropolis. You are destined to be a big shot reporter at the Daily Planet.
Pariah:
Lois: "Chloe, Your're a reporter. You investigate and expose. That's who you are!"
Hero:
Jimmy: “go ahead and sprinkle some of your ‘Hemingway dust’."
“always knew the Torch would light the way to the big league....
Well i for one have read all your stories. and as much as some things change, some things always remain the same”.
Kalista
10-25-2008, 07:28 PM
That's a nice trip down memory lane Khlyla. We are still being reminded about Chloe and journalisim in almost every episode this season.
RedKRules
10-25-2008, 07:32 PM
Thank you Khyla for reminding me that Reporter Chloe is so much better
Khyla
10-25-2008, 07:36 PM
That's a nice trip down memory lane Khlyla. We are still being reminded about Chloe and journalisim in almost every episode this season.
Thanks Kalista.
I think you know how long it takes to go research that stuff. Like you, I know there was a lot more, but I got tired :) (perhaps I'll make a bigger list at some point ;) )
Kalista
10-25-2008, 07:49 PM
Thanks Kalista.
I think you know how long it takes to go research that stuff. Like you, I know there was a lot more, but I got tired :) (perhaps I'll make a bigger list at some point ;) )
It does some time to compile that kind of information. There are times when I want to post information like that but I just am too lazy to do it.:lol:
Khyla
10-25-2008, 07:52 PM
It does some time to compile that kind of information. There are times when I want to post information like that but I just am too lazy to do it.:lol:
I hear ya :\ :)
abbaspice1
10-25-2008, 08:10 PM
Chloe is happy!
I don't understand how people can claim to LOVE Chloe, but will not take her happiness into consideration.
She said that at THIS TIME, she doesn't want to be a reporter. She wants to try something new. WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT THAT?
People, since the beginning of time, have tried new things. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they succeed. But RARELY doesn't anyone succeed after their first try. OR second. Or third.
Things that are worth doing take effort. And people learn. Let's give Chloe time to be her OWN woman and for her to travel some paths that she WANTS to travel.
Khyla
10-25-2008, 08:17 PM
^ your talking like this story is reallife. It's a work of fiction, Not reallife.
uh, or maybe it's a soap, in which case it's perfectly justifyable to say waht you did. :)
abbaspice1
10-25-2008, 08:21 PM
So you don't believe in story development?
For story development, the humans ont he show should act like real-life humans. And real life humans change careers. They fall in and out of love. The walk down different paths. They grow close and sometimes apart. There is laughter, tears, anger, hope and fears.
And GOOD stories reflect that.
Kalista
10-25-2008, 08:27 PM
So you don't believe in story development?
I do. That's why lightswitches are so upsetting. I would rather see development than be told it happened.
lillie_poo_pod
10-25-2008, 08:37 PM
I do. That's why lightswitches are so upsetting. I would rather see development than be told it happened.
QFT
abbaspice1
10-25-2008, 08:44 PM
I do. That's why lightswitches are so upsetting. I would rather see development than be told it happened.
But when we had Al/Miles STALLING for as long as we did, some things had to speed up in order for them to be in the RIGHT place. Especially if this will be the last season.
Spped up? Yes. Lightswitch---no.
Well, the Chloe/Davis thing is lightswitch (imo).
RedKRules
10-25-2008, 08:47 PM
Chloe is happy!
I don't understand how people can claim to LOVE Chloe, but will not take her happiness into consideration.
Chloe is not happy, she is settled ...... I love Chloe she is my favorite character ...... so what is wrong if people liked Reporter Chloe more ?? which is my case
lillie_poo_pod
10-25-2008, 08:50 PM
Chloe is not happy, she is settled ...... I love Chloe she is my favorite character ...... so what is wrong if people liked Reporter Chloe more which is my case?
I agree with you so much. There's is nothing wrong with it. Everyone has there own opinion on what they like more.
AndiGirl
10-25-2008, 08:54 PM
Chloe is happy!
I don't understand how people can claim to LOVE Chloe, but will not take her happiness into consideration.
She said that at THIS TIME, she doesn't want to be a reporter. She wants to try something new. WHAT IS WRONG ABOUT THAT?
People, since the beginning of time, have tried new things. Sometimes they fail, sometimes they succeed. But RARELY doesn't anyone succeed after their first try. OR second. Or third.
Things that are worth doing take effort. And people learn. Let's give Chloe time to be her OWN woman and for her to travel some paths that she WANTS to travel.
ITA...people claim to root for chloe, but once she's really out there trying to find herself they bash her? I think a lot of people on here just want Chloe to be a reporter...period. It doesnt matter that she is truly interested in her new field....if she isnt a reporter...then she's not chloe.. :rolleyes:
----- Added 50 Seconds later -----
Sorry for that...I'm just getting slightly annoyed with the argument of "Well....she was born to be a reporter!" Like thats a real fighting point? :\
Kalista
10-25-2008, 08:59 PM
I don't see anyone bashing Chloe. Journalism is a core character trait for Chloe and that has been drilled into our heads since the beginning of the series. Do people change? Yes. But Chloe didn't leave journalism of her own accord, she was fired by the villain.
dlreinke
10-25-2008, 09:09 PM
I want Chloe reporter back too. Journalism is her essence and one of the biggest part of her journey and that can't just be ignored with a bunch of lightswitches to bennefit another character. :mad::(
Kalista
10-25-2008, 09:10 PM
I want Chloe reporter back too. Journalism is her essence and one of the biggest part of her journey and that can't just be ignored with a bunch of light switches to bennefit another character. :mad::(
Yes, journalism is a core character trait for Chloe, as is Clark's sense of humanity.
Storm45
10-25-2008, 09:25 PM
If living with Lana and lead a normal life in the Kent farm would have made Clark happy, would everyone root for him, only because that makes him happy?
If Lex decided to let go of Luthor Corp and all the quests he did during the series to retire as a monk in France, would everyone would root for that to continue? Just because the writers decided that it makes Lex happy?
I doubt that.
As I would like to repeat we are talking about fictional characters here. Putting my personal feelings aside for the sake of a fictional character's ''happiness'' isn't for me. I keep that for real people close to me.
I expected Chloe to move out of the DP one day or another. I was open to that. I just hoped that something interesting would come out for her life after DP.
Only now, I'm not sure. It might be a wait and see for me.
kris10
10-25-2008, 09:29 PM
thanks Khlyla(wiping tear) i can hear the bag pipes playing amazing grace....god i miss her as a reporter....
Kalista
10-25-2008, 09:33 PM
thanks Khlyla(wiping tear) i can hear the bag pipes playing amazing grace
:lol:
kris10
10-25-2008, 09:35 PM
If living with Lana and lead a normal life in the Kent farm would have make Clark happy, would everyone root for him, only because that makes him happy?
If Lex decided to let go of Luthor Corp and all the quests he did during the series to retire as a monk in France, would everyone would root for that to continue? Just because the writers decided that it makes Lex happy?
i think the difference with these characters vs chloe is that we know how the story ends for these two and where they end up....chloe's isnt...its made up as the smallville story progresses....this girl has been all about journalism and then poof like magic its gone? i could see it if they SHOWED her getting interested in another field or frustrated with it at some point to where she needed to make a change....then i would be more satisfied.
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[QUOTE=Kalista;4103203]:lol:
my stepfather PLAYS them so i can REALLY hear it...sniff sniff:D
Khyla
10-25-2008, 09:45 PM
If living with Lana and lead a normal life in the Kent farm would have make Clark happy, would everyone root for him, only because that makes him happy?
If Lex decided to let go of Luthor Corp and all the quests he did during the series to retire as a monk in France, would everyone would root for that to continue? Just because the writers decided that it makes Lex happy?
I doubt that.
As I would like to repeat we are talking about fictional characters here. ...
Good point! :)
Like I said before, the history of the story, of this show, has already proclaimed her identity and her destiny as that of a reporter for the Daily Planet. not only has the character herself proclaimed it, but so has every other character on the show. And it's not just TOLD to us it is SHOWN time after time.
On top of that she is the one who "always remains the same" , "the only thing constant"
(see my examples several posts back)
Ayanne
10-25-2008, 09:48 PM
I do. That's why lightswitches are so upsetting. I would rather see development than be told it happened.
Exactly, & after 7 years, the disinterest in Journalism, being a reporter for Chloe is a BAD lightswitch. It's her core characteristic. I totally think it's Brainiac.
Storm45
10-25-2008, 09:58 PM
think the difference with these characters vs chloe is that we know how the story ends for these two and where they end up....chloe's isnt...its made up as the smallville story progresses....this girl has been all about journalism and then poof like magic its gone? i could see it if they SHOWED her getting interested in another field or frustrated with it at some point to where she needed to make a change....then i would be more satisfied.
Ia gree with you. Its just that I don't get the idea that just because a character does something and is happy with it than the viewers should just be happy for this character.
If Lionel was still alive and decided to become an opera singer and his character turned into a comic relief would everyone w be happy? Because the writers decided that Lionel should be happy with that?
harryandginnyfanatic
10-29-2008, 04:20 PM
that can't just be ignored with a bunch of lightswitches to bennefit another character.
Even if its the main character?
The show is about Clark. This season is focused on Clark's journey. Chloe was written out of the DP so Clark could be there. In the bigger picture sense, Clark Kent's story is more important than Chloe's.
Chloe was there to get Clark and Lois into the DP. Once she did that she was no longer needed there.
Iluvgreen
10-29-2008, 06:02 PM
Even if its the main character?
The show is about Clark. This season is focused on Clark's journey. Chloe was written out of the DP so Clark could be there. In the bigger picture sense, Clark Kent's story is more important than Chloe's.
Chloe was there to get Clark and Lois into the DP. Once she did that she was no longer needed there.
this is true. even though i would rather chloe still be interested in reporter type stuff. or watchtower. that would be sweet.
Black Panda
10-29-2008, 11:54 PM
Chloe is not happy, she is settled
She makes it pretty clear she's jealous of Lois mentoring Clark at the Planet. She brings up reporting over and over.
Journalism is a core character trait for Chloe and that has been drilled into our heads since the beginning of the series.
And it's one thing to threaten that role for the sake of drama, but when it gets dragged out as long as it has it sort of kills the enjoyment of the character. I say that even while I like Chloiac. I'm pretty sure that I would like Chloiac better if it didn't seem in large part an excuse to prop up the tedium of Chimmy, and the Real Chance Clois.
zorasuperman
10-30-2008, 12:12 PM
i do believe chloe does have the best of heart in trying to help these kids, and out of any person i think she feels the most empathetic, now whether she is "qualified" is another debate, but i do believe her heart is in the right place, especially considering she knows where these kids are coming from
RedKRules
11-02-2008, 06:43 PM
She makes it pretty clear she's jealous of Lois mentoring Clark at the Planet. She brings up reporting over and over.
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Yeahhh...... My curiosity complex comment was just another I am SO OVER Journalism wth moment!!! ..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
For me Reporter Chloe will always be the best ...:D
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