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Chlarkislove

10-23-2008, 07:13 PM

I think tonight's episode showed a triangle devloping between Clark/Chloe/Davis.Clark is concerned for Chloe and is already in an establish relationship with her (speaking non romantic at the moment) and is worried she's going to trust the wrong person. Davis has evident feelings for her and there's a connection between them even if it may be partially to Brianiac. Basically I see a Davis/Clark showdown in the future over Chloe. With Jimmy just standing on the sidelines going WTF?

REebee52

10-23-2008, 07:16 PM

I would agree it's a triangle, but it's not a love triangle. Not to toss off your icon, but she is marrying Jimmy. It'll be a love triangle between those, and then a 'trust triangle' with Clark.

Chlarkislove

10-23-2008, 07:18 PM

Why couldn't it be a love triangle even if not romantic? I'm sure Clark loves Chloe and want's to protect her and obviously Davis is devloping feelings for her.

AndiGirl

10-23-2008, 07:18 PM

There's definitely a triangle brewing there....but I kind of expected that. Chloes kind of the middle groud for these soon to be enemies. I cant wait to see where it goes!

OneShotClois

10-23-2008, 07:20 PM

I would agree it's a triangle, but it's not a love triangle. Not to toss off your icon, but she is marrying Jimmy. It'll be a love triangle between those, and then a 'trust triangle' with Clark.

I agree with most of this. This doesn't struck me as a love triangle either. Maybe Jimmy/Chloe/Davis is more of a love triangle, but Clark has always cared for everyone, it's just who he is, and so basically it's like what REedee52 said, more like a trust triangle or friendship.

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Why couldn't it be a love triangle even if not romantic? I'm sure Clark loves Chloe and want's to protect her and obviously Davis is devloping feelings for her.

I'm sure Clark loves Chloe, but what I feel is more like in the brotherly sisterly way. And usually from what I have seen, a love triangle is usually that different kind of love.

MsSullivan

10-23-2008, 07:24 PM

Best Triangle Ever

SalvadorianGirl

10-23-2008, 07:27 PM

I just love the pull that Chloe has with both Davis and Clark. She clearly doesn't know where to turn to.

I agree best triangle ever.

Arwenstar

10-23-2008, 07:44 PM

I think it is so exciting. Dooms is going to end up killing the love of his love...ahhh even that sounded confusing to me! BUT THAT IS PURE DRAMA GOODNESS.

Chlarkislove

10-23-2008, 07:47 PM

I think it is so exciting. Dooms is going to end up killing the love of his love...ahhh even that sounded confusing to me! BUT THAT IS PURE DRAMA GOODNESS.

The love of his life is Clark?

Arwenstar

10-23-2008, 07:48 PM

The love of his life is Clark?

No, the love of his love, which is Clark. XD

davidbrenton

10-23-2008, 07:50 PM

Arwenstar

10-23-2008, 08:00 PM

Meteror Freak

10-23-2008, 08:01 PM

I said it before, but Chloe/Davis/Jimmy triangle started in Plastique. I can see there chemistry emminating from the screen. He was a great cast. Their chemistry seems more sexual and Chimmy seems more innocent love.

I really enjoy it and with the Destruction that is Doomsday, i second the sentiment above...It's drama goodness.

Actually, if you add it up, Chloe's getting love from all angles.

Clark - brother/sister
Jimmy - innocent love
Davis - Sex sex sex

I completely agree except for the part about chemistry in Plastique. I think the triangle is more about Chloe-Jimmy-Davis than Chloe-Clark-Davis. I think we just might have seen the last of Chlark.:\

SalvadorianGirl

10-23-2008, 08:04 PM

I think the triangle is more about Chloe-Jimmy-Davis than Chloe-Clark-Davis. I think we just might have seen the last of Chlark

Except Jimmy really isn't aware of anything between Chloom. A triangle has to work if all parties are vying from one another and are aware.

The fact that it was Clark and Davis both fighting, not really over Chloe, but about her sets up the triangle.

It's why Clark is concerned. Why Chloe pulled away from Davis. And Why Davis was upset when she left and aware that it probably has something to do with Clark.

OliviaB

10-23-2008, 08:05 PM

I definitely do NOT see Clark/Chloe as having a brotherly/sisterly love, AT ALL. In fact, that's more of Lois and Clark's domain in SV.

Besides, I can't really see siblings kissing each other, and Chlark has done that quite a bit, :lol:

Their relationship, as emphasized in tonight's episode, is more of a PARTNERSHIP. Clark and Chloe make wonderful partners. :)

IA, the brother/sister vibe belongs to EDLois and Clark, while they're emphasizing the Chlark partnership now, and I think their romantic relationship later on once they've re-established that they belong together as reporting/investigating partners. I mean, what bigger case can they investigate, other than Doomsday (if Lex isn't around?)

Arwenstar

10-23-2008, 08:07 PM

The triangle is def. Davis/Chlark/Chloe because it's Clark warning Chloe, Chloe mentioning that she felt the same way around Davis as she did with Clark (sighhh), and Chloe working SO WELL WITH Clark.

Clark and Chloe without each other just doesn't result in good things. ;) They need to be partners.

Firebunny

10-23-2008, 08:13 PM

SpiritedDiva

10-23-2008, 08:14 PM

I definitely do NOT see Clark/Chloe as having a brotherly/sisterly love, AT ALL. In fact, that's more of Lois and Clark's domain in SV.

Besides, I can't really see siblings kissing each other, and Chlark has done that quite a bit, :lol:

Their relationship, as emphasized in tonight's episode, is more of a PARTNERSHIP. Clark and Chloe make wonderful partners. :)

I agree. Who's to say if it's a romantic triangle or not. Though, the way it's set up
it def seems it could be that way. The good guy tries to protect his girl from the bad guy cause she's getting involved with the latter. All the pieces are there for that formula.

AndiGirl

10-23-2008, 08:14 PM

Yea...Clark was already jealous that Chloe protected Davis instead of instantly siding with him...it's a nice chnage of pace! :)

davidbrenton

10-23-2008, 08:18 PM

I completely agree except for the part about chemistry in Plastique. I think the triangle is more about Chloe-Jimmy-Davis than Chloe-Clark-Davis. I think we just might have seen the last of Chlark.:\

I agree about the last of Chlark thing. And the overness is needed. Everyone's growing up and moving on. I'm glad for it. It's milking a cow that never even had a chance of producing milk. It's a water cow people.

However, there love (And trust) in one another as people and friends is there and always will be.

MAR-MAR

10-23-2008, 09:08 PM

Clark/Chloe/Davis is the real triangle. Jimmy/Chloe/Davis is the sidebar.

Jimmy's only interaction with Davis this season was tonight and he was using Chloe's friendship with Davis to take him on a ride along. If Jimmy thought Davis was a threat he wouldn't of done that. Unlike Jimmy's insecruties showing when he talks with Clark about Chloe.

Clark admitting he didn't like Chloe trusting someone else (Davis) over him for the first time. He has never had those feeling with Jimmy. Clark's jealous showed in there last scenes with Chloe.

TWNik

10-23-2008, 09:15 PM

SueB

10-23-2008, 09:15 PM

Clark/Chloe/Davis is the real triangle. Jimmy/Chloe/Davis is the sidebar.

I think so too. Once Davis was unambiguous about his feelings, Chloe pinched off the relationship. That was the "surface" triangle that won't go anywhere. Yes, she is attracted to him but "good girl" Chloe firmly shut it down. Perhaps in some angle on Abyss it's real, but that's the Brainiac influence, not Chloe steering her own ship .

The trust angle w/ Clark/Chloe/Davis is the far more serious issue and probably the season-triangle that matters most.

colibri

10-23-2008, 09:21 PM

TWNik

10-23-2008, 09:28 PM

I think the romantic triangle is Jimmy/Chloe/Davis. The Clark/Chloe/Davis thing isn't really a triangle but a square. I think Braniac is part of the issue here. I think both "triangles" will end in Bride or Legion. I think the second half of the season will be something different.

I think it is Davis-Chloe-Clark & will be romantic in the end. Davis/Chloe were definitely given romantic tones tonight & the 3rd person was clearly not Jimmy. Chloe openly said it was not him, & that "once" is Clark. There is no other option.

Brainiac's role is that he is influencing & in many ways controlling Chloe. So that creates Davis' attraction to the BrainiacChloe vs Clark for Real Chloe.

It's a classic triangle set up of Good vs Evil for the love of the Heroine.

Ayanne

10-23-2008, 10:15 PM

I definitely do NOT see Clark/Chloe as having a brotherly/sisterly love, AT ALL. In fact, that's more of Lois and Clark's domain in SV.

Besides, I can't really see siblings kissing each other, and Chlark has done that quite a bit, :lol:

Their relationship, as emphasized in tonight's episode, is more of a PARTNERSHIP. Clark and Chloe make wonderful partners. :)

The show runners admitted that brother/sister dynamic was EDLois & Clark, and Clark & Chloe have "unresolved sexual tension" which is totally Romantic.

There is an EPIC triangle setup being put in place with Davis/Chloe/Clark. Clark is extremely territorial about Chloe. :D This has the potential to AMAZING!!

SalvadorianGirl

10-23-2008, 10:18 PM

What I love about the Chlarkivs triangle is that it goes beyond any sort of romantic aspect.

It's truly about two men fighting to be the only important person in her life.

Just the way Davis unleashed all these feelings onto Chloe unlike before and saying he feels like Chloe was sent to him.

Clark admitting that his reaction was about Chloe replacing him with someone else. Which makes it even more interesting that he's never expressed this concern over Jimmy.

Like he knows Jimmy isn't a threat to his relationship with Chloe but that Davis is.

j-kent

10-23-2008, 10:20 PM

yes not a love triangle..a trust triangle for sure!

Monica_O

10-23-2008, 10:37 PM

Wow this 3 really, really show what a triangle is about!!!

Not only they are completely hot but they show the chemistry that is completely lost in other characters of the show.

The fact that Clark is upset (jealous ;) ) about Chloe being on Davis side totally rocks!!!!!!!!

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The show runners admitted that brother/sister dynamic was EDLois & Clark, and Clark & Chloe have "unresolved sexual tension" which is totally Romantic.

There is an EPIC triangle setup being put in place with Davis/Chloe/Clark. Clark is extremely territorial about Chloe. :D This has the potential to AMAZING!!

The UST is completely obvious in the Chlark!!! Your definition of Clark as being territorial is completely true!!! He so wants to hurt Davis for getting close to his blonde :D

SalvadorianGirl

10-23-2008, 10:49 PM

Wow this 3 really, really show what a triangle is about!!!

Really. Everything is coming from an organic place in these characters. It's not some contrived **** that makes no sense. It's all coming from genuine feelings. Clark's need to protect Chloe. Chloe's nature to want to help everyone. Davis finding someone he can trust.

chlarked_foever89

10-23-2008, 10:53 PM

hot stuff i must say...but im still trying to figure out the whole stance between chloe and clark. i just can't belive that it would end that easily so this triangle is confusing. we'll see.

Monica_O

10-23-2008, 10:54 PM

Really. Everything is coming from an organic place in these characters. It's not some contrived **** that makes no sense. It's all coming from genuine feelings. Clark's need to protect Chloe. Chloe's nature to want to help everyone. Davis finding someone he can trust.

I'm so with you here!!! This feelings are natural, they have been there since the begining of the show, they are logical and true and I love them!!!

Kalista

10-23-2008, 10:56 PM

Really. Everything is coming from an organic place in these characters. It's not some contrived **** that makes no sense. It's all coming from genuine feelings. Clark's need to protect Chloe. Chloe's nature to want to help everyone. Davis finding someone he can trust.

Yes, we know how Chlark feel but even Davis' feelings feel genuine. No lie detector needed. Go figure.

ginnyfan

10-24-2008, 12:25 AM

With Davis, Chloe and Clark I did see a triangle, but not a romantic one. I think that the writers are setting Davis and Clark up to mirror each other. Chloe really believes in Davis in this episode and opposes Clark while doing it. Chloe has always really believed in Clark. In the last scene when Chloe says that she once had a relationship that came "easy" I think she was referring to Clark. The "once" implies past tense. So I think (once she works out her feelings for Jimmy yet again) she will show Davis some unswerving loyalty. The kind that she used to reserve for Clark Kent.

Arwenstar

10-24-2008, 12:35 AM

There is an EPIC triangle setup being put in place with Davis/Chloe/Clark. Clark is extremely territorial about Chloe. This has the potential to AMAZING!!

Clark has a HISTORY of being extremely territorial over his tiny blonde. :D Ollie, anyone? :D

lillie_poo_pod

10-24-2008, 01:08 AM

I can definitely see come kind of conflict happening with Chloe/Clark/Davis later on in the season. This episode just set that up. Especially with the Clark/Davis scene.

Black Panda

10-24-2008, 01:46 AM

Well, Smallville has moved way past triangles into some serious polyhedrons long ago. That said...

I think on the surface we're supposed to see it as a Jimmy/Chloe/Davis triangle and for the first part of the season that's how it'll probably play. But what they're building is a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. You can see that in how Chloe's relationship with Davis was compared to her relationship with Clark and pointedly contrasted with her relationship with Jimmy.
Davis is no fool, he's spotted Clark as the real threat. I love how they played that scene where he is asking about who things were easy with.

The trust angle w/ Clark/Chloe/Davis is the far more serious issue and probably the season-triangle that matters most.
Yeah, well I do think Chloe is fighting an attraction there. Not sure if it's the resemblance to Clark, or Brainac messing with her. Let's go for both, that's probably a safe bet.

Arwenstar

10-24-2008, 02:02 AM

Yeah, well I do think Chloe is fighting an attraction there. Not sure if it's the resemblance to Clark, or Brainac messing with her. Let's go for both, that's probably a safe bet.

I think it is just that and the fact that she is so compassionate towards other people. In the scene where Davis is just amazed at how much she believes in him totally gave me "CHLOE IS COMPASSIONATE GODDESS!" vibes. She wants to believe in people.

Firebunny

10-24-2008, 06:17 AM

I think it is just that and the fact that she is so compassionate towards other people. In the scene where Davis is just amazed at how much she believes in him totally gave me "CHLOE IS COMPASSIONATE GODDESS!" vibes. She wants to believe in people. And as Clark said, that's going to get her in trouble. He's afraid she's going to trust the wrong person, and already that's happening. But, really, right now, Davis isn't the wrong person. He will be later, but for right now he is someone who deserves her trust and compassion.

The set up for this triangle is so good, because they're giving us a reason to feel sympathy for Davis. He doesn't want to be a monster. Chloe will try to help him, but we know what's going to happen in the end. It'll be doom (DOOM!) for everyone.

I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

Mary Sullivan

10-24-2008, 07:59 AM

The hottest triangle Ive ever seen in this show. :D

TWNik

10-24-2008, 10:12 AM

The hottest triangle Ive ever seen in this show. :D

The chemistry factor is phenomenal between TW, AM, & SW. The characters have history in place so the triangle has credibility.

Doomsday vs. Superman for Chloe's heart. That does have potential to be EPIC.

marikology

10-24-2008, 10:42 AM

WRT Chloe's conversation with Davis, clearly she was talking about Clark. I think Chloe is in a terrible situation right now. I believe she loves Jimmy, but she's not in love with him, like she is with Clark, but now she has this strange attraction to Davis. He surprised me by straight-up asking why she helped him. You can tell that he's falling for her, and she did the right thing by putting distance between them. Unlike her douchebag fiancé, I also like that they clarified that Chloe has NOT flirted or done anything that would warrant guilt on her part. But Jimmy and Davis are placeholders- she isn't in love with Jimmy, and Davis is a psychotic murdering creature. It's obvious who she'll end up with!

Kalista

10-24-2008, 11:29 AM

The chemistry factor is phenomenal between TW, AM, & SW. The characters have history in place so the triangle has credibility.

Doomsday vs. Superman for Chloe's heart. That does have potential to be EPIC.

Chloe will only be part of the reason for the Superman/Doomsday showdown. Ultimately, Clark will fight him to save lives.

Ayanne

10-24-2008, 12:00 PM

nzs

10-24-2008, 12:33 PM

Davis is the Dark Mirror of Clark. This triangle has so much depth, chemistry & potential!!
I agree. And it's organic storytelling! No lightswitches, sudden 180s or OOC behavior. It has the potential to be great!

chlo-el

10-24-2008, 12:50 PM

Best Triangle Ever

I completely agree with that.

Firebunny

10-24-2008, 12:58 PM

I agree. And it's organic storytelling! No lightswitches, sudden 180s or OOC behavior. It has the potential to be great! And isn't that refreshing?

I mean the lightswitches on Smallville have be glaring and blinding this season. It's been disappointing to watch the writers take the least satisfying short cut and just tell us Clark got the job at the DP or just have Maxima say "blah di blah hooey hoe" instead of showing us the important developments in these characters lives.

So, the Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle is a surprise in that the writers are taking the time to build it up and show us how these three fit together, how they conflict and get along. It must be a really important arc for the season if they're spending so much time setting it up.

TW, AM and SW all have such great chemistry together. I'd like to see a tense scene between all three of them soon. I think that would be really great.

chlo-el

10-24-2008, 01:00 PM

And as Clark said, that's going to get her in trouble. He's afraid she's going to trust the wrong person, and already that's happening. But, really, right now, Davis isn't the wrong person. He will be later, but for right now he is someone who deserves her trust and compassion.

The set up for this triangle is so good, because they're giving us a reason to feel sympathy for Davis. He doesn't want to be a monster. Chloe will try to help him, but we know what's going to happen in the end. It'll be doom (DOOM!) for everyone.

I can't wait to see how it unfolds.

I completely agree with that. Davis needs her trust and compassion. He's a good guy, with really bad luck. I just hope it's not another case of girl abandons guy so guy gives in to the Darkness.

Ayanne

10-24-2008, 01:00 PM

I completely agree with that.

OY, this totally defines romantic triangle!!

A common love triangle is one in which the hero or heroine is torn between two suitors of radically contrasting personalities

AChloeChick

10-24-2008, 01:03 PM

As much as I've come to HATE triangles (SV style), this one is actually the best one EVER!
There is SO much chemistry between these three that it's amazing.

I'm under the influence that the Davis/Chloe/Jimmy 'triangle' is extremely subtle. IDK, I don't think Jimmy factors into much of this at all. I know he and Chloe are engaged, but I haven't seen any clear evidence that he has much to do with things outside of that.

Maybe, just maybe they 'had' her say yes so that she wouldn't fall for Davis as quickly as she did Clark.

As for the Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle, I see this as a major triangle (albeit love or not). After all, we did see a shot of them in triangular form in Plastique. Whenever SV has triangles, they ALWAYS shoot them in that form (that's according to an old interview with Al/Miles).

It's funny because I absolutely DETESTED the idea of Chloe being involved with Davis/Doomy. I also thought it was the WORST idea they have ever had (outside of the Chimmy) and didn't want to be a part of it.

Now, I'm LOVING it!

Firebunny

10-24-2008, 01:49 PM

It's funny because I absolutely DETESTED the idea of Chloe being involved with Davis/Doomy. I also thought it was the WORST idea they have ever had (outside of the Chimmy) and didn't want to be a part of it.

Now, I'm LOVING it! I signed on to the idea when I heard SW was a Juliard grad.

What can I say? I'm a sucker for good acting.

It's one of the reasons why Chlark is my favorite ship, followed by Clex. But if Chlex had ever been given a glimmer of a chance I think it would have blown everything away.

Now we get Chlark and Cloom and Chloom altogether. Throw in a visit from Martain Manhunter and you have far and away the best acting of the season so far.

Kalista

10-24-2008, 01:51 PM

So, the Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle is a surprise in that the writers are taking the time to build it up and show us how these three fit together, how they conflict and get along. It must be a really important arc for the season if they're spending so much time setting it up.

I'm happy that the writers are spending so much time developing the Chloe/Clark/Davis triangle because it shows the true focus of the season.

TW, AM and SW all have such great chemistry together. I'd like to see a tense scene between all three of them soon. I think that would be really great.

I'm looking forward to more Clark/Davis scenes as Clark's suspicions about Davis and his concern for Chloe continues to grow.

chlo-el

10-24-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm happy that the writers are spending so much time developing the Chloe/Clark/Davis triangle because it shows the true focus of the season.

I'm looking forward to more Clark/Davis scenes as Clark's suspicions about Davis and his concern for Chloe continues to grow.

I'm looking forward to that as well. I'm also looking forward to more Clark/Chloe/Davis scenes together.

We had one in toxic but that was barely anything and too short. To me this triangle is so awesome because they both trust Chloe so much. I hope we get more development w/ that.

ms.c.

10-24-2008, 02:38 PM

I think on the surface we're supposed to see it as a Jimmy/Chloe/Davis triangle and for the first part of the season that's how it'll probably play. But what they're building is a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. You can see that in how Chloe's relationship with Davis was compared to her relationship with Clark and pointedly contrasted with her relationship with Jimmy.

I agree. That last conversations with Chloe/Clark and Chloe/Davis made it clear where the triangle is going to be. Chloe as much as took Jimmy out of the running by saying things never felt as easy with him as they have with Clark and Davis. She admits this to Davis which only confirms his earlier suspicion that Clark is the real objection of her affection even if she is engaged to another man. Clark doesn't like Chloe trusting another man over him and that was about Davis basically. They both were insulted and offended by the other in a problem stirred up by Davis/Dooms. Meanwhile, Davis and Chloe are getting closer because of his problems. Chloe is feeling needed and flattered and he is pulling her into him and Chloe deserves to be treated that way. And Davis does need help, but Chloe isn't likely to be the one to be able to do it.

It was a juicy, complex problem where no one is totally right, but every side has something in their favor.

Vindellavon

10-24-2008, 03:04 PM

Thank the Lord for Youtube, meaning I finally got around getting some Prey clips! I have to say this is the best triangle ever because I think so far this one makes sense! After of course Chloe/Clark/Lana, but yes this one actually makes sense! I only got through a few clips but the plot summary clearly shouts fighfightfightfightfight between Davis and Clark, so I'll be betting on that one! All in all, seemed like a pretty good ep.

umm

10-24-2008, 03:40 PM

TWNik

10-24-2008, 03:45 PM

I agree. That last conversations with Chloe/Clark and Chloe/Davis made it clear where the triangle is going to be. Chloe as much as took Jimmy out of the running by saying things never felt as easy with him as they have with Clark and Davis. She admits this to Davis which only confirms his earlier suspicion that Clark is the real objection of her affection even if she is engaged to another man. Clark doesn't like Chloe trusting another man over him and that was about Davis basically. They both were insulted and offended by the other in a problem stirred up by Davis/Dooms. Meanwhile, Davis and Chloe are getting closer because of his problems. Chloe is feeling needed and flattered and he is pulling her into him and Chloe deserves to be treated that way. And Davis does need help, but Chloe isn't likely to be the one to be able to do it.

It was a juicy, complex problem where no one is totally right, but every side has something in their favor.

The triangle has depth, & balance. This is the best narrative, direction of story the new showrunners have came up with this year. Not a single lightswitch.

umm

10-24-2008, 04:01 PM

The triangle has depth, & balance. This is the best narrative, direction of story the new showrunners have came up with this year. Not a single lightswitch.

I agree! I love the way how she is conflicted! She feels a natural pull towars Davis as he was a part of herself, but on the other hand she is engaged to a decent guy who eally doesn't deserve to be cheated on, noone does, which is why she has to say farewell to Davis for the timebeing, get some distance, because she is holding on to her relationship to Jimmy by a last shread of conscience and descency left! Davis has been warming his way into her heart, Clark has been pulling away buy neccecity and his own selfishness and stupidity once again proving he can be a lousy friend, Jimmy is well Jimmy. A nice, but otherwise uninteresting guy! He simply isn't the one for Chloe!

LookUpDown

10-24-2008, 06:01 PM

I love the way this could potentially play out. Please writers, don't mess this one up.

kris10

10-24-2008, 07:47 PM

yea i believe he said he was frustrated that she would trust someone she hardly knows over him the clark/chloe/davis triangle is more apparent the reason is b/c jimmy has no idea about davis so how can it be a triangle if one of the three is clueless...
and by no idea i mean that he doesnt have a clue what davis's intentions are other than being chloe's friend and we clearly see that last scene he doesnt just want to be friends with her.

Firebunny

10-24-2008, 07:55 PM

Ok, it's getting steemy hot on this thread:rotfl::rotfl:,
But yeah I agree, if the things continue to develop this way, we'll be seing Davis outside Chloe's window spying while she is in the shower, if you get my drift. He is getting a tad bit desperate and slowly obsessive!:o But in the really hot kind of a way, if that is possible to say about a future stalker! Which I guess it isn't! I don't think Davis is anywhere close to being a future stalker. Maybe later as Doomsday takes over, but if that was never going to happen I don't think he'd start stalking on his own.

He knows Chloe's taken, so he's not going to pursue her, but there is this connection between them and he's not going to deny it either.

Chloe feels the connection too and it's similar to the connection she has with Clark, meaning she could fall in love with Davis the way she's fallen in love with Clark. That's why she had to put some distance between her and Davis. Having two men that she loves more intensely than her fiance has got to give her doubts. I can understand right now why she's running away from the doubts, but eventually she has to face them.

Mary Sullivan

10-24-2008, 08:44 PM

Doomsday vs. Superman for Chloe's heart. That does have potential to be EPIC.

So true! Can't wait! :)

meteor

10-24-2008, 09:02 PM

Triangle of sorts probably, but with regard to her safety from Clark's perspective. once that is threatened by Davis, Clark will obviously seek to protect Chloe. as a segway to some type of romance between Clark and Chloe? in Chloe's own words, that train has already left the station.

SalvadorianGirl

10-25-2008, 09:49 AM

in Chloe's own words, that train has already left the station.

Which isn't a good analogy considering trains always come back to the station.

harryandginnyfanatic

10-25-2008, 09:59 AM

Um, what triangle? :confused:

Davis clearly has a thing for Chloe and Chloe is engaged to Jimmy. Clark is not even a factor.

It's more like a Davis/Chloe/Jimmy triangle.

ginnyfan

10-25-2008, 10:03 AM

I agree with REebee52. There will be a Davis/Chloe/Clark triangle but it won't be romantic, thank goodness. As with Lex/Lana/Clark... Clark and Davis have better things to fight about than romance. I guess you could argue that the corruption of Lana was symbolic of the corruption of humanity AND similarly the battle for Chloe's loyalty could be symbolic. But Clexana certainly didn't play that way. Whatever is going on... so far so good and VERY entertaining.

I think it's time for Jimmy to put some blind trust in Chloe. She gave him her word so... it's for her to let him know if something's up this time. I hope! No more jealous Jimmy!

meteor

10-25-2008, 10:07 AM

Which isn't a good analogy considering trains always come back to the station.

well, Chloe is the one who has moved on from Clark, i simply go by her own words and the events of the show. If she had not moved on the past year or two, and said she was still in love with him and failed the lie detector test, i'd feel differently, but that isn't the case. Clark is being put on the path towards Lois right now, not Chloe...which means so far i don't see this season as being any different than the last 7 where those in favour of it predicted a Chloe/Clark romance which never happened...that's just the way i see this season so far anyway.:cool:

SalvadorianGirl

10-25-2008, 10:12 AM

Davis clearly has a thing for Chloe and Chloe is engaged to Jimmy. Clark is not even a factor.

It's more like a Davis/Chloe/Jimmy triangle.

Except Jimmy was taken out of the equation when her current connection to Davis was linked to her connection with Clark.

Plus, it's a far better triangle because it's not just set in romance. It's far beyond what the Clexana one which was just a pissing contest bewteen the two.

JAMHEXXX

10-25-2008, 11:24 AM

Dustmite

10-25-2008, 11:25 AM

How was Jimmy taking out of the equation?

Easily. We just subtracted him.

JAMHEXXX

10-25-2008, 11:28 AM

Easily. We just subtracted him.

Oh well, it now makes perfect sense.:rolleyes:

Dustmite

10-25-2008, 11:32 AM

Oh well, it now makes perfect sense.:rolleyes:

I'm glad I could help :)

chlo-el

10-25-2008, 11:48 AM

I think Jimmy can be taken out of the equation because it's been shown so far this season that Chloe doesn't trust Jimmy the way she trusts Davis and Clark.

Vindellavon

10-25-2008, 11:49 AM

^ I agree.

JAMHEXXX

10-25-2008, 11:52 AM

^ I disagree

Vindellavon

10-25-2008, 11:59 AM

^ I disagree

Lets discuss.

Firebunny

10-25-2008, 12:08 PM

It's easy to see how Jimmy isn't in this triangle and it's not just the line at the end of the ep showing that Chloe doesn't have the easy connection with Jimmy.

Look at the episode as a whole. Chloe has scenes with Davis. She has scenes with Clark. She doesn't have any scenes with Jimmy.

Pray was a great episode on its own, but really it's a set up for the rest of the season. It sets up Davis' descent into darkness, Clark's struggle to balance being a hero with the rest of his life and a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. It did not set up any sort of triangle involving Jimmy.

AndrewVDk

10-25-2008, 12:11 PM

I agree with Firebunny!

eas

10-25-2008, 12:19 PM

I think Jimmy can be taken out of the equation because it's been shown so far this season that Chloe doesn't trust Jimmy the way she trusts Davis and Clark.

I think Jimmy cannot be taken out of the equation because Chloe is marrying him. As far as Chloe's main, authentic, openly acknowledged, romantic relationship is concerned, the man is JIMMY.

Whether we like it or not, we cannot ignore that Chloe is marrying this man and is making plans to take vows that include, "In sickness and in health, 'til death do us part....".

Now, me, personally? I hate Chimmy. But I like Chloe. And to suggest that Chloe is involved in some sick triangle as a Chloe-bot with Clark and Davis & that Jimmy can be completely taken out of the equation seems completely out of line to me... because it only serves to make Chloe look bad. Really bad.

Until or unless I hear from Chloe - a Chloe who is in her right mind -that she's not in love with Jimmy and that this whole engagement is a farce, I have to assume that her words and actions are sincere. And, yes, that includes the loads and loads of sex she's having with Jimmy.

Does she trust Davis more than Jimmy? Davis more than Clark? Is she in love with Jimmy, having sex with Jimmy, attracted to Davis, and pining for Clark? Well, maybe she is. I hope, for Chloe's sake, that this is not the case.

But there is no way, imo, you can justify taking Jimmy out of that equation... he is an integeral part of Chloe's story-arc this year. If she gets taken over by Brianiac, runs off with Davis, pines after Clark, or anything else, it's JIMMY who is the most affected.

So, frankly, there is no Davis/Clark/Chloe triangle. There can be a Davis/Jimmy/Chloe/Clark quadrangle... but that's not a good thing.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----

It's easy to see how Jimmy isn't in this triangle and it's not just the line at the end of the ep showing that Chloe doesn't have the easy connection with Jimmy.

Look at the episode as a whole. Chloe has scenes with Davis. She has scenes with Clark. She doesn't have any scenes with Jimmy.

Pray was a great episode on its own, but really it's a set up for the rest of the season. It sets up Davis' descent into darkness, Clark's struggle to balance being a hero with the rest of his life and a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. It did not set up any sort of triangle involving Jimmy.

She may not have had scenes with Jimmy, but Jimmy had scenes with DAVIS. And, in one of those scenes, he flat out makes a comment that he's rifling through Chloe's address book and checking to see who she is hanging out with... Davis looks at him all guilty-like and then Jimmy cracks up and says he's just joking. Davis refuses to let Jimmy come with him and Jimmy plays the CHLOE card to guilt Davis into letting him come along. This leads to the convo at the end with Davis... who knows he's falling in love with Jimmy's fiance and is trying to figure out where things stand with Jimmy. (And we know that Davis will tell Chloe she's marrying the wrong man, later on the season, and he's talking about himself... he's getting in the middle of the CHIMMY 'ship -- not Chlark.)

And, furthermore, his scenes with Clark are not about Chloe. They don't even mention Chloe. They talk about each other's secrets and why both are the first at the scene of the crime. It's a study in opposites: One's true motives are pure... the other's motives are dark. It's all about Clark vs. Davis & Chloe isn't even IN the equation. Why? Because Clark finds out from Martian Manhunter about Davis. NOT Chloe.

ginnyfan

10-25-2008, 12:27 PM

I think Jimmy can be taken out of the equation because it's been shown so far this season that Chloe doesn't trust Jimmy the way she trusts Davis and Clark.

I think there IS a triangle in which Jimmy does not feature. Something HUGE is going on in Metropolis. Clark is on the case. Davis is on the case. Chloe is on the case. Clark suspects Davis. Davis suspects Davis. Chloe at first is just trying to buffer Clark's investigation's bias against the Isis members but when Davis presents himself as a suspect, Chloe champions his cause.

This doesn't have anything to do with trusting or not trusting Jimmy. Davis/Chloe/Clark does not have anything to do with how much Chloe trusts Jimmy. It has to do with Chloe's loyalty to Clark. In the past, Clark would put out a theory and Chloe would be "on it" trying to see if it was true or not. But this time Chloe is "on it" trying to prove that Davis is a good guy. He marvels at her passionate refusal to even entertain the possibility that Davis could be guilty. This doesn't have anything to do with trusting Jimmy. It honestly doesn't have much to do with Jimmy at all.

She trusted Jimmy with the truth about her healing powers. Jimmy's support was instrumental in Chloe accepting her powers. She's trusted Jimmy with her heart time and time again when many people claimed he was a "player" and a "womanizer." She believed in Jimmy and encouraged him when Lex had him fired and most recently when he told her the truth about his past. She told him he was going to be a world famous photographer someday. So she loves and trusts Jimmy. Jimmy's a regular guy. There's never been a context under which Chloe would champion Jimmy. Jimmy isn't taking on the world like Clark or battling his inner darkness like Davis. So... there's just no context for the comparison.

Chloe's resistance against Clark and what he wants is relatively new. She's done it before. But choosing to oppose Clark in regards to the Isis foundation that's big. And choosing to support Davis when all the evidence was lining up against him... that's big too. So far it hasn't become Clark vs. Davis with Chloe in the middle. It was more Clark vs. Isis members with Chloe in the middle. But Chloe was working at the DP to find Davis as much for Davis' sake as for Clark's. Even Davis' confrontation with Clark didn't seem to have much to do with Chloe.

She's over Clark and speaks about Clark in the past tense, wistfully. If anything was a lie, perhaps it was Chloe characterizing Clark as just a schoolgirl crush. But Davis wants to pursue a romantic relationship... there the Davis/Chloe/Jimmy triangle comes into play. The cool thing about this is that, it's not even out there... Jimmy fully trusts Chloe. Davis is too gentlemanly to pursue her (but he's not going to back down or settle for friendship without a fight). So the Davis/Chloe/Jimmy battle will rage within Chloe.

I think Clark/Chloe/Davis will have to do with loyalty. Where will Chloe's loyalty lie as Clark and Davis become more and more antagonistic. Especially if Jimmy loses Chloe's internal battle and her relationship with Davis becomes romance, Chloe's choice will be VERY difficult and VERY complicated. Where will Chloe's loyalties lie? The antagonism that Clark and Davis feel for each other won't be because of Chloe or love for Chloe (I hope). BUT Chloe will be caught in the middle.

And I could see Clark and Davis both making a persuasive appeal to Chloe for her loyalty/ allegiance.

It's all very exciting and that doesn't even take Brainiac into account.

ETA: I read your post eas and I really think that PS3 are not making the mistake they made with Clexana. Here they are focusing on setting up the non shipping central plot Clark vs. Davis and NOT the love triangle (Jimmy/Chloe/Davis). IMO they've already killed Clark/Chloe/Davis as a potential romantic love triangle which again is a wonderfully surprising choice. That triangle would certainly pack more of a punch than Jimmy/Chloe/Davis. Jealous Jimmy has been run into the ground with Clark/Chloe/Jimmy and I never want to see him again. They could have had Chloe fail the lie detector, cry about the fever letter, still love Clark, Clark still be iffy about Chloe and really give Clexana a run for it's money with Clark/Chloe/Davis.

Chloe is a factor in Clark vs. Davis because she is Clark's loyal friend, and one of the first people Clark goes to for help when he's fighting evil. It will be a huge blow to have Chloe on Davis' side. Just as it would be for any of Clark's allies to side with an enemy. So on one side of Chloe is her BFF and the Superhero she champions, Clark. On the other is Davis, who has a strange pull on her and is a potential love interest. PS3 seems to be consciously avoiding the obvious love triangles here.

All that is to say that Davis/Chloe/Clark is not a love triangle. It's a face off between Clark and Davis which will put Chloe in a very dangerous, uncomfortable place emotionally and physically. Jimmy/Chloe/Davis is a love triangle that will never really come to fruition. If they toy with it it will be subtexually, between Chloe and Davis behind Jimmy's back, in Chloe and Davis' heads as they angst over the unspoken possibilities AND/OR played for laughs. That's my hope anyway.

I suppose that in the course of the season Clark could realize his feelings for Chloe after potentially losing her. From the POV (which isn't my POV) that Chloe is still in love with Clark and always has been and that Clark is subconsciously in love with Chloe, it will be fun to continue reading between the lines and analyzing a possible sub-textual Clark/Chloe/Davis love triangle.

SalvadorianGirl

10-25-2008, 12:27 PM

How was Jimmy taking out of the equation? Chloe is marrying the guy!There is no way that Chloe would take marriage lightly, you know since she is the best evah at everything (I can already hear the Chloiac crap). I swear to God, sometimes a light post is just a light post.

Jimmy is MARRYING Chloe.
Chloe is MARRYING Jimmy.
Davis is attracted to Chloe.
Chloe is attracted to Davis.
Looks like a Jimmy/Chloe/Davis triangle.

Jusg because they're getting married means the triangle is Jimm/yChloe/Davis. Jimmy isn't even aware of what the Chlovis relationship is like. In order for that triangle to work, Jimmy should be concerned. Yet the episode doesn't have Jimmy blink an eye at how close and talkative Chloe has become all of a sudden with Davis.

On the surface, of course it looks like a Jimmy/Chloe/Davis thing because Chlimmy are a couple and Chlovis have an attraction towards one another. Otherwise Prey set up otherwise.

Also Chloe clearly doesn't trust Jimmy because she hasn't told him about the Brainiac infection. She told Davis for freaks sakes and that was in a matter of weeks.

Again, two much is being placed on the context of a triangle having to be about romance. Triangles aren't always about that.

This Chlarkovis triangle goes beyond shipper stuff. It's about trusting the right person vs the wrong one. It's about good (Clark) vs evil (Davis).

It's cleary as Firebunny said, to set up the later half of S8 when the Clark/Doomsday situation comes to an end. What better person to be in the middle than the girl both guys are fighting to stay in their corner.

Jimmy fully trusts Chloe.
No he doesn't. Instinct cleared that up that no Jimmy doesn't trust Chloe. Despite proclaimations of love from Chloe in Committed, I doubt the boy still trust her. He's still that guy who believes Chloe is going to up and leave him for Clark or any other guy out there.

eas

10-25-2008, 12:29 PM

^ How can it be a test for Chloe's loyalty is Brianiac is making her decisions for her? Also, Davis does love Chloe romantically... just like Jimmy does. In that, he's vying against Jimmy - not Clark.

meteor

10-25-2008, 12:34 PM

i would venture a guess that Clark will be involved in a romantic triangle..with Lana and Lois.

luvinChlark

10-25-2008, 12:48 PM

i would venture a guess that Clark will be involved in a romantic triangle..with Lana and Lois.

although Lois isn't going to be in the two episodes after Lana returns. (And Lana is only in 5 episodes.) If PS3 want to to a full-on Cloisana triangle I'm thinking Lois should be present then.. You might say Lois will reappear in the last couple of episodes that Lana is in, (which will probably be true) but that would still only leave two for Lana to be in. I just don't see Cloisana making a huge impact still.

I actually can see a Clark/Chloe/Davis brewing, especially later in end of the season. Just my spec of course. :)

AndrewVDk

10-25-2008, 12:49 PM

i would venture a guess that Clark will be involved in a romantic triangle..with Lana and Lois.

Clark still loves Lana, and she loves him back!
I don't see the triangle there!

ginnyfan

10-25-2008, 12:50 PM

Also Chloe clearly doesn't trust Jimmy because she hasn't told him about the Brainiac infection. She told Davis for freaks sakes and that was in a matter of weeks.

Again, two much is being placed on the context of a triangle having to be about romance. Triangles aren't always about that.

Davis found out about Chloe's power. Chloe did trust Jimmy regarding her healing powers but... to tell Jimmy about this endangers Clark's secret.

^ How can it be a test for Chloe's loyalty is Brianiac is making her decisions for her?

LOL!

Clark still loves Lana, and she loves him back!
I don't see the triangle there!

*gasp* Maybe Lana and Clark will get married!

meteor

10-25-2008, 01:04 PM

although Lois isn't going to be in the two episodes after Lana returns. (And Lana is only in 5 episodes.) If PS3 want to to a full-on Cloisana triangle I'm thinking Lois should be present then.. You might say Lois will reappear in the last couple of episodes that Lana is in, (which will probably be true) but that would still only leave two for Lana to be in. I just don't see Cloisana making a huge impact still.

I actually can see a Clark/Chloe/Davis brewing, especially later in end of the season. Just my spec of course. :)

i think 2 or 3 episodes would still be long enough to play on it but we'll see...i do think Clark/Chloe/Davis will be a triangle of sorts but not a romantic one with regard to Chloe and Clark. the end of the season will probably mean the end of the series, so to go back towards the whole Chlark thing as the show is ending...IMO that doesn't make much sense...if they are gonna set up a ship as the show draws to a close, i think it's gonna be Clark and Lois. :cool:

luvinChlark

10-25-2008, 01:18 PM

i think 2 or 3 episodes would still be long enough to play on it but we'll see...i do think Clark/Chloe/Davis will be a triangle of sorts but not a romantic one with regard to Chloe and Clark. the end of the season will probably mean the end of the series, so to go back towards the whole Chlark thing as the show is ending...IMO that doesn't make much sense...if they are gonna set up a ship as the show draws to a close, i think it's gonna be Clark and Lois. :cool:

If they wanted a Cloisana triangle Lois should appear in the Lana episodes at least. Even the one with the Clana kiss (gags) But PS3 aren't. I mean maybe once Lois is in the last couple they could do a triangle. But again, no real development-basically no real impact. thats really just my opinion

I think we will see a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. Whether it's romanitic or friendship. I see the development of both already. IMO

Also I think PS3 are shooting for a season 9. So who knows when SV ends.

meteor

10-25-2008, 01:33 PM

If they wanted a Cloisana triangle Lois should appear in the Lana episodes at least. Even the one with the Clana kiss (gags) But PS3 aren't. I mean maybe once Lois is in the last couple they could do a triangle. But again, no real development-basically no real impact. thats really just my opinion

I think we will see a Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle. Whether it's romanitic or friendship. I see the development of both already. IMO

Also I think PS3 are shooting for a season 9. So who knows when SV ends.

sounds good. season 9 would be great if they do it. they have already started setting up Clark and Lois though so to shut that off and revert back to Chlark which is something that never really actually was..i can't see it. whether that involves much of a triangle with Lois-Lana judging by the spoilers who knows; spoilers are often misleading but we'll see. i don't see any development of romance at all between Clark and Chloe going by the past and present seasons, especially after committed... but i think you're right in that there definitely will be a Clark-Doomsday-Chloe scenario of some sort.

Black Panda

10-25-2008, 01:54 PM

I think Jimmy cannot be taken out of the equation because Chloe is marrying him. As far as Chloe's main, authentic, openly acknowledged, romantic relationship is concerned, the man is JIMMY.
Yeah, but why do we give a hoot? It only matters as it threatens the Chlark relationship. So is Davis a threat to Jimmy, I'd say hurray if it's going to help Chlark, and boo if it hurts it. Tonight it seemed to pretty clearly strain Chlark, but that may be part of building to the climax that realizes it.

Look at the episode as a whole. Chloe has scenes with Davis. She has scenes with Clark. She doesn't have any scenes with Jimmy.
Well, it does have scenes of Jimmy teasing that he is stalking the folks in Chloe's PDA. That's pretty reminicent of Jimmy's jealousy over Clark. That's no accident since we have Davis playing Clark in this episode in a number of other ways, being the guy who confides in her, who she tries to protect etc.

we know that Davis will tell Chloe she's marrying the wrong man, later on the season, and he's talking about himself... he's getting in the middle of the CHIMMY 'ship -- not Chlark.[/spoiler])
Except he's getting in the middle of Chlark too. In this episode they were fighting about him. In this episode he seemed to be the guy that Clark thought Chloe would trust over him.

So, frankly, there is no Davis/Clark/Chloe triangle. There can be a Davis/Jimmy/Chloe/Clark quadrangle... but that's not a good thing.
Absolutely, it's got more sides than the usual triangle. It drives a lot of conflict, is used to underscore the threats to the central heroic partnership. That in my opinion, is an excellent thing.

JAMHEXXX

10-25-2008, 06:33 PM

This is maddening, Clark and Chloe aren't romantically involved, is this not correct?
Are they in an intimate, romantic love affair? No they are not, Clark loves Chloe in a very platonic way, and I don't really care what some people try to read into this. Just because Chloe is involved with something doesn't mean it is any deeper, organic, or more meaningful than anything else on the show. Chloe and Davis barely know each other, yet some people are screaming from the mountain top that this is the best EVAH love triangle in the history of TV.

All I see is Clark not wanting Chloe getting involved with someone that Clark doesn't trust, nothing more, nothing less. He cares for his friend, no triangle in view.

Dustmite

10-26-2008, 03:50 AM

This is the best love triangle ever.

shamville

10-26-2008, 09:18 AM

Probably later tess give davis info on chloe and then try win chloe over.

Ayanne

10-26-2008, 09:34 AM

This is the best love triangle ever.

My sister is a High School English teacher, her focus is on creative writing/English. She recently had her students watch Beowulf & read the story. She watched this episode, & quickly concluded the "real" triangle is Davis-Chloe-Clark. According to her, the writers set up Jimmy as a non-factor with the last scenes, & Chloe's dialogue. The "No" & "Once" (Clark!)
Then Clark's admitted jealousy over Chloe, & his dialogue of "someone over me."

HEEEEEEEE!! I love it!

Originally Posted by Firebunny
Look at the episode as a whole. Chloe has scenes with Davis. She has scenes with Clark. She doesn't have any scenes with Jimmy.

She said "Exactly the same. Jimmy is a non-entity.

Kalista

10-26-2008, 09:38 AM

I think this fits into the discussion.

It's interesting that you mentioned Crush because there will be some parallels to that episode this season.

Chlark at odds
Chloe involved with someone dangerous but being mislead
Clark suspicious of Davis and investigating him behind the scenes
Chloe realizes the truth about Davis
Chloe in danger
Clark comes to Chloe's aid to save her

Thankfully, I don't think we will see the petty jealousy that Chlark displayed in Crush because they are mature now.

Vindellavon

10-26-2008, 09:45 AM

This is the best love triangle ever.

Even better than Dracula/Mina/Johnathan. This triangle is truly the best.

Black Panda

10-26-2008, 09:54 AM

Then Clark's admitted jealousy over Chloe, & his dialogue of "someone over me."

One gets the sense that Clark feels he is making the choice to let Chloe go to be happier with Jimmy, but that he's actually at risk of losing her to Davis. Like Davis would actually take Clark's place in her emotions.

Kalista

10-26-2008, 09:59 AM

RedKRules

10-26-2008, 10:08 AM

That is exatcly what I thought ...... I mean I found interesting when he said that, because he never complained that way about Jimmy ....... Clark was clearly jealous that Chloe goes now to somebody else to talk about her emotionssss !! :lol: hehehe what a triangle!!

Ayanne

10-26-2008, 10:17 AM

One gets the sense that Clark feels he is making the choice to let Chloe go to be happier with Jimmy, but that he's actually at risk of losing her to Davis. Like Davis would actually take Clark's place in her emotions.

The fact Chloe responds with "Once" (meaning sharing this special bond only 1 other time - it isn't a context of when) to Davis' question is a clarification of that fact. It's an emotional bond she does not share with Jimmy.

And as my sister pointed out, Clark's dialogue reinforced the triangle between Davis/Chloe/Clark by the use of the word "someone else over me."

The use of "Me" being the focus, establishes it is not just a factor of Chloe trusting the wrong person in general.

The "me" used by Clark made it a personalization.

Kalista

10-26-2008, 10:43 AM

Quote from Crush:

Clark: Look. Justin had it in his portfolio yesterday.

Pete: "Going Down. Doctor Loses Hands in Freak Accident." So?

Clark: That was Justin's doctor. Don't you think it's a little weird he's carrying that around with him?

Clark did something similar with Davis by looking into Davis' records of the murders and questioning why he kept those files.

Black Panda

10-26-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote from Crush:
Clark did something similar with Davis by looking into Davis' records of the murders and questioning why he kept those files.
In fairness, Clark has learned to suspect everyone's boyfriend. They are usually evil, or just not what they appear.

And as my sister pointed out, Clark's dialogue reinforced the triangle between Davis/Chloe/Clark by the use of the word "someone else over me."

The use of "Me" being the focus, establishes it is not just a factor of Chloe trusting the wrong person in general.
In other contexts I have seen Clark emphasize not wanting to see the girl get hurt, but you are right this is very pointed. It reminds me of in Cure about the emphasis on "forget ME"

Kalista

10-26-2008, 12:46 PM

In fairness, Clark has learned to suspect everyone's boyfriend. They are usually evil, or just not what they appear.

True. He doesn't trust any other male in the vicinity of the women that he happens to care about.:lol:

President_Luthor

10-26-2008, 01:11 PM

^ Right there, is Clark's most frustrating trait. "Don't judge me!" is his policy, yet he assumes the judgmental attitude whenever someone challenges his doubts.

I'm glad Davis served him a dish of right-back-at-ya -itis. The red-jacketed dude deserves it.

Kalista

10-26-2008, 01:36 PM

I'm glad Davis served him a dish of right-back-at-ya -itis. The red-jacketed dude deserves it.

I dont' think Clark deserved to be accused of committing those murders. Clark's suspicions are correct, he just doesn't have the evidence that he needs to confront Davis properly.

Ayanne

10-26-2008, 03:34 PM

In fairness, Clark has learned to suspect everyone's boyfriend. They are usually evil, or just not what they appear.

In other contexts I have seen Clark emphasize not wanting to see the girl get hurt, but you are right this is very pointed. It reminds me of in Cure about the emphasis on "forget ME"

That is precisely the point, Clark made the comment personal to his relationship with Chloe by that statement.

ms.c.

10-26-2008, 04:24 PM

The way you can tell that the real triangle is Clark/Chloe/Davis is because Chloe and Jimmy don't have a scene together. They show her relationship with Clark and her relationship with Davis to compare the two guys. And if that isn't clear enough they emphasize the point by having Chloe exclude Jimmy from that special level of closeness by telling Davis she has only once felt this easy, strong connection to someone else and it WAS NOT with Jimmy. Without naming him, the audience knows she is talking about Clark who just happens to be the last guy she was talking to before we see her meet Davis.

The fact that Chloe is engaged to Jimmy, a guy she seems so unexcited about in that scene, says she is marrying the wrong guy.

Bizarrolover

10-26-2008, 04:59 PM

I think the Davis/Chloe/Clark triangle is the most interesting one of this season, not because its romantic implications, but for the consequences it might bring to these characters. Davis is Doomsday and he's getting dangerously close to Superman's best friend, making his relationship with Chloe more dangerous for Clark than for Chloe herself. I don't think it's a coincidence that Davis feels so attracted to her. I have the feeling that it's all part of a masterful plan orchestrated by Braniac to confront Clark with the only one that can kill him and that Clark was having some kind of premonition when he said that he was afraid about Chloe giving her trust to the wrong person. Chloe's alliance with Davis may be the key to destroy Clark.

TWNik

10-26-2008, 11:02 PM

Serynarpc

10-27-2008, 01:02 AM

I'm glad Davis served him a dish of right-back-at-ya -itis. The red-jacketed dude deserves it.

I'm also glad that Davis isn't going to be a defensive daisy about his situation. He called Clark on his little game of targeting any male in the vicinity of Chloe and rightly so.

The way you can tell that the real triangle is Clark/Chloe/Davis is because Chloe and Jimmy don't have a scene together. They show her relationship with Clark and her relationship with Davis to compare the two guys. And if that isn't clear enough they emphasize the point by having Chloe exclude Jimmy from that special level of closeness by telling Davis she has only once felt this easy, strong connection to someone else and it WAS NOT with Jimmy. Without naming him, the audience knows she is talking about Clark who just happens to be the last guy she was talking to before we see her meet Davis.

That scene did spell out to me that Chloe fell in love easily with Clark (in the past. Years in the past. Nowhere in the current season) and that for some reason, she didn't feel that way with Jimmy. She also seemed to acknowledge 'that it was easy with Davis'.

I'm still on the fence if this is casual attraction or if she means actually falling for him. I'm hoping for the former, because when you're engaged, you shouldn't be falling for other guys. Even if they are assertive, sexy Paramedic guys.

I do have to give a nod for the maturity of Chloe to put her budding 'friendship' with Davis on ice. If it jeopardizes her relationship with Jimmy, she should cut it out (which she tried to do here).
Does anyone think Davis is going to respect that though?

Kalista

10-27-2008, 01:21 AM

I do have to give a nod for the maturity of Chloe to put her budding 'friendship' with Davis on ice. If it jeopardizes her relationship with Jimmy, she should cut it out (which she tried to do here).
Does anyone think Davis is going to respect that though?

No. Davis has been looking for weaknesses in Chloe's relationship since Toxic. He got confirmation in Prey that the relationship is not emotionally stable. He immediately made his move after that by telling her he was interested in more than friendship.

If he didn't respect her boundaries when he assumed she was happy in the relationship, then he certainly will not hold back from this point on.

I'm still on the fence if this is casual attraction or if she means actually falling for him. I'm hoping for the former, because when you're engaged, you shouldn't be falling for other guys. Even if they are assertive, sexy Paramedic guys.

Don't forget that their attraction is of a Kryptonian origin and unnatural due to her Brainiac download.

meteor

10-27-2008, 01:49 AM

I do have to give a nod for the maturity of Chloe to put her budding 'friendship' with Davis on ice. If it jeopardizes her relationship with Jimmy, she should cut it out (which she tried to do here).
Does anyone think Davis is going to respect that though?

no...there'd be no drama in that! I think his feelings for Chloe and the events connected will be the prop that pushes Davis consciously over the edge to the realization he's a monstrous psycho.

Serynarpc

10-27-2008, 02:30 AM

No. Davis has been looking for weaknesses in Chloe's relationship since Toxic. He got confirmation in Prey that the relationship is not emotionally stable. He immediately made his move after that by telling her he was interested in more than friendship.

If he didn't respect her boundaries when he assumed she was happy in the relationship, then he certainly will not hold back from this point on.

Don't forget that their attraction is of a Kryptonian origin and unnatural due to her Brainiac download.

Ah, thank you for the reminder. I had forgotten that he has always been assertive- even when he noticed Chloe's engagement ring. Never down for the count, Davis.

Do you think that he's planning on pursuing her traditionally? I'm half expecting that he'll use the 'easy vibe' and the fact that they are both different - Chloe with her Brainiac abilities, he with his 'blackouts'.

I think his feelings for Chloe and the events connected will be the prop that pushes Davis consciously over the edge to the realization he's a monstrous psycho.

Have any inkling what these events might be? I can see that obsession or rejection could foster some serious Doomsday eruption. Have we heard on if this Doomsday is going to cause the death of Clark, or is that going to be left to the comics?

I half wonder if Davis will realize Chloe meant Clark with that 'once' and if that could be a catalyst.

Kalista

10-27-2008, 02:44 AM

I'm half expecting that he'll use the 'easy vibe' and the fact that they are both different - Chloe with her Brainiac abilities, he with his 'blackouts'.

I can see him going this route. He knows he scared her off, so he may apologize and pretend to be satisfied with friendship while trying to drive a wedge between Chimmy and Chlark.

Have any inkling what these events might be? I can see that obsession or rejection could foster some serious Doomsday eruption. Have we heard on if this Doomsday is going to cause the death of Clark, or is that going to be left to the comics?

I half wonder if Davis will realize Chloe meant Clark with that 'once' and if that could be a catalyst.

It will probably a combination of obsession with Chloe, his increasing awareness of the murders, and the escalating conflict with Clark. Brainiac will be involved with Davis somehow.

ETA: If Davis didn't sense that Chloe was talking about Clark, he will soon. I think he knows though because he immediately thought they were a couple when he first saw them together. He even studied them as they walked away at the scene of the explosion in Plastique. It was creepy.

I'm assuming that Dooms will kill Clark but Davis has been rather vague about that in the interviews I have read, so I don't know.

Sweetie

10-27-2008, 11:43 AM

It's not a love triangle,more like a trust triangle.Clark was NOT jalous but,was hurt because she choose to trust a stranger instead of him.Davis & Chloe have a strange connection between them.

President_Luthor

10-27-2008, 12:01 PM

Exactly. This triangle is different from any of the previous ones, and I suspect there'll be more to chew on with this one than all seven seasons of Clana.

It will be trust that will define the whole Davis/Chloe/Clark dynamic. Jimmy won't be much of a factor, since it's clear that Chloe has connected to Clark and possibly Davis on a level that Jimmy could only dream of. It is sad for him that he will be on the bleachers when this triangle plays itself out.

I was never much for the (over)emphasis on triangles in previous seasons, but this one should be intriguing because of the stakes involved. It'll be more mature, I think. Let's hope Clark can keep up! :\

Firebunny

10-27-2008, 12:09 PM

Jimmy won't be much of a factor, since it's clear that Chloe has connected to Clark and possibly Davis on a level that Jimmy could only dream of. It is sad for him that he will be on the bleachers when this triangle plays itself out. I don't know. I think I'd rather watch this triangle from a safe distance than find myself in the middle of it.

I was never much for the (over)emphasis on triangles in previous seasons, but this one should be intriguing because of the stakes involved. It'll be more mature, I think. Let's hope Clark can keep up! :\ This is definitely the most interesting triangle they've had on the series. And I think it has to do with the fact that all three sides are equally sympathetic. We can see the pull that Chloe has to both Clark and Davis. We can understand Clark's need to keep Chloe safe while at the same time not messing up her personal life more than he feels he already has. And yes, we know Davis is going to go bad, but he doesn't want to and we don't want him too (except that it'll be pretty good TV when he does).

Ayanne

10-27-2008, 01:08 PM

AChloeChick

10-27-2008, 02:36 PM

My sister is a High School English teacher, her focus is on creative writing/English. She recently had her students watch Beowulf & read the story. She watched this episode, & quickly concluded the "real" triangle is Davis-Chloe-Clark. According to her, the writers set up Jimmy as a non-factor with the last scenes, & Chloe's dialogue. The "No" & "Once" (Clark!)
Then Clark's admitted jealousy over Chloe, & his dialogue of "someone over me."

HEEEEEEEE!! I love it!

She said "Exactly the same. Jimmy is a non-entity.

ITA, and this has been my point about Chloe's, "I love your son," comment last season. It's all in the grammar! I'd LOVE to hear what she has to say about that.

As your sister pointed out (quite well might I add), Prey clearly set up the true triangle of the season. We had already seen subtle hints of this in Plastique when we see Davis looking on Chalrk. TPTB have ALWAYS set triangles up in their shots. In Plastique they set it up in a kind of distant way so that it wasn't 'too' obvious.

However, Prey changed all of that. Between Chalrk's convo at Isis (I'm scare you're going to trust the wrong person) and the Chalvis convo (both at Isis, but especially at the end), we're told and shown what the true arc of S8 is going to be.

Davis/Chloe/Jimmy is just a disguise, if you will. It's there to a certain degree, but it's constantly being 'torn down' by the events outside and inside itself.

I used to believe the Chimmy marriage would stick. Based on Prey (yes, just that one epi) I no longer think that. I truly believe Chlavis is going to be a major part of the last half of the season. We're going to see Chloe fully trusting Davis, even though he's the wrong person. We've already seen her trust him to a certain degree and I think it's only just begun.

She has something with Davis she has only had with Clark. IMO, Davis is in the process of becoming Chloe's Clark.

Kalista

10-27-2008, 02:41 PM

She has something with Davis she has only had with Clark. IMO, Davis is in the process of becoming Chloe's Clark.

Or, as some have said on another board, Chlavis is Dark!Chlark and a reversal must be in store.

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You're right, this triangle has depth & facets of romantic, good vs evil, history, the Brainiac infection of Chloe. LOTS of potential!!

That's an excellent description. The tension in the triangle feels genuine, not forced, and the stakes are high.

Ayanne

10-27-2008, 05:23 PM

Or, as some have said on another board, Chlavis is Dark!Chlark and a reversal must be in store.

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That's an excellent description. The tension in the triangle feels genuine, not forced, and the stakes are high.

Kalista, it's an organic flow & not a single lightswitch or contrived crap involved. This is what a real story about relationships should be!!

Kalista

10-28-2008, 02:15 PM

What are we calling this triangle? Chlaravis? Chlarkavis?

There are so many layers to this conflict. Clark will become increasingly worried about Chloiac, he will not be able to connect with her like he used to, and Davis will appear to be replacing him in Chloe's life. On top of that, people will still be dying on Clark's watch so Clark will on a mission to stop the murders.

This is good stuff.

Serynarpc

10-28-2008, 04:59 PM

I like 'Chlaravis' but I'll probably end up typing 'Chlavis' and get lynched by the more 'with it' people.

I for one love the name 'Chloiac'. There has been some tension highlighted between Clark and Chloe this episode. It was nice to see that we opened and closed with 'friends forever; forgiveness' themes. The rocky waters between them about the trust issues was very dynamic. I sense a recurring theme...

TWNik

10-28-2008, 05:55 PM

Ayanne

10-28-2008, 06:24 PM

President_Luthor

10-28-2008, 08:09 PM

The cool angle is the 'unknown': the Brainiac factor. How much of an influence will he have as Chlaravis (Chlavis) plays out? This triangle's got meat on it, people. I think Lollie and Chimmy were the last of the 'ships of the Clana and Lexana DNA. This one's got some juice in it and I cannot wait for stuff to hit the fan. Will it be Brainiac influencing Chloe's actions, or will Brainiac be merely liberating those feelings and behaviours that were just dormant? And, yes, Clark's bond with Chloe has remained steady -- until now. If this is what propels Clark into becoming closer to the hero that is Superman, then let the fireworks begin. He will be forced to rely on his own instincts and judgment (ie assume leadership qualities that he'll need to lead the JLA, anyone?), which can only benefit his journey.

This is a Metropolis sirloin AAA-grade triangle, the kind that I only wish had surfaced to the same degree in Clexana -- the mother of all SV triangles. The Clark - Lex fallout due to the Lana connection should have been at this level, IMHO. But that's spilled milk now, so while Clexana was all sizzle, Chlavis will be the steak.

Watching it unfold over the season will be sw-eee-t. :eek:

Kalista

10-29-2008, 12:16 AM

I sense a realization coming. Nobody has ever threatened Clark's relationship with Chloe. That connection has with anyone else hasn't been done.

I don't think it has ever occurred to Clark that their relationship could be threatened after all these years I'm sure he considers his place in her life to be pretty secure. So it becomes a question of how will he handle this. He's going to fight for her.

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The cool angle is the 'unknown': the Brainiac factor. How much of an influence will he have as Chlaravis (Chlavis) plays out? This triangle's got meat on it, people. I think Lollie and Chimmy were the last of the 'ships of the Clana and Lexana DNA. This one's got some juice in it and I cannot wait for stuff to hit the fan. Will it be Brainiac influencing Chloe's actions, or will Brainiac be merely liberating those feelings and behaviours that were just dormant? And, yes, Clark's bond with Chloe has remained steady -- until now. If this is what propels Clark into becoming closer to the hero that is Superman, then let the fireworks begin. He will be forced to rely on his own instincts and judgment (ie assume leadership qualities that he'll need to lead the JLA, anyone?), which can only benefit his journey.

This is a Metropolis sirloin AAA-grade triangle, the kind that I only wish had surfaced to the same degree in Clexana -- the mother of all SV triangles. The Clark - Lex fallout due to the Lana connection should have been at this level, IMHO. But that's spilled milk now, so while Clexana was all sizzle, Chlavis will be the steak.

Watching it unfold over the season will be sw-eee-t. :eek:

I have so much love for this post. Chloe has always been his rock, so he is facing some tough times ahead. Ollie had his island test and this is Clark's island.

Imagine Clark fighting to save Chloe while having to defeat the evil presence within her?

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In Abyss, Clark erases some of Chloe's memories. I think it will be his secret but I think he may erase her memory of Davis too. That could be what sets Davis off in Bride.

AChloeChick

10-29-2008, 05:43 PM

^^^According to the spoilers page, it's only Chlark memories that will be erased/changed.

The Clark/Chloe/Davis triangle is going to be the absolute BEST triangle ever!

Iluvgreen

10-29-2008, 05:59 PM

Clark/Chloe/Davis! common Clark and Chloe aren't more than friends. for now. ;)

Black Panda

10-29-2008, 11:46 PM

I sense a realization coming. Nobody has ever threatened Clark's relationship with Chloe. That connection has with anyone else hasn't been done.
Exactly. Davis seems to get to Chloe because of similarities to Clark. I hope for Chloe's sake that she recognizes the creep factor here, but I like how Clark seems to be worried about losing her trust.

The cool angle is the 'unknown': the Brainiac factor. How much of an influence will he have as Chlaravis (Chlavis) plays out?
Exactly, there are natural reasons for her to be drawn to him, but there are very good reasons for her to be suspicious. She's been on the Lex-Go-Round, she should know better. On the other hand, maybe Brainiac doesn't want her to know better.