Question about the killer and everything killer related

[xrayvision]

So the shadow freak was the one responsible for all the deaths in this episode (even the ones in the night club)? I guess Davis didn't do any of the killing this episode. Though the episode promo did mention Doomsday.

[Dodge006]

So the shadow freak was the one responsible for all the deaths in this episode (even the ones in the night club)? I guess Davis didn't do any of the killing this episode. Though the episode promo did mention Doomsday.

Like I said in a different post...EVERY intro to a new character is about 2 seconds...MM, Kara, Green Arrow...and now Doomsday.

[thebog1]

I disagree on the night club though... seemed dimlit... And so many people. Whereas he attacked the girl, then the guy then Davis and then Jimmy, all individually...

[Liquid-Prince]

It was Davis... The end proved that.

[xrayvision]

It was Davis... The end proved that.

So the girl with the rosary was the freak who was killed at the beginning or was she someone who was killed offscreen? I didn't notice the rosary on her, but I gotta re-watch it.

[krpto]

So the girl with the rosary was the freak who was killed at the beginning or was she someone who was killed offscreen? I didn't notice the rosary on her, but I gotta re-watch it.

Tess's girl said that it was a nun killed whose rosery went missing that happened off screen all we know for sure is that the shadow guy has killed some but not all and that davis fears/feared that he chould be responsible before being told that it was the shadow kid.

[xrayvision]

So then I guess I was right. The only people Davis has killed so far were off screen (those murders Lois was tracking, the nun, and whoever he killed back in the episode we saw him lying unconcious & naked).

[warriorrenegade]

It was Davis all along. My guess is the Shadow Man was protecting himself from Davis..fighting back. And just ran with the idea of people thnking he was the killer to get noticed.

[Clark-Lois]

yeah it was a nun. what drove me crazy is that we all know davis, even though he's extremely hot and i just want to ride him like there's not tomorrow, anyway. we know that davis is the bad guy and the martian manhunter, chloe and clark are all on the trail and then with the shadow guy they all dismissed it. i know it's repetative. everytime they get close to finding something out, something else happens and they forget or dismiss it. it just drives me crazy cuz now clark will be buddy buddy with davis. and doomsday is the only person who can kill superman/clark kent/smallville sorry for the long rant

[Alexander III]

Davis a.k.a doomsday did it!!

[Yankeefan]

the shadow guy just killed that meteor freak, davis killed everyone in the night club

[Doomsday666]

Didnt someone with super speed kill the girl in the ally

[roccanater]

the shadow guy just killed that meteor freak, davis killed everyone in the night club


That's what I deduced in the end.

[xrayvision]

It was Davis all along. My guess is the Shadow Man was protecting himself from Davis..fighting back. And just ran with the idea of people thnking he was the killer to get noticed.

So Shadow Dude didn't kill anyone? I think he definitely killed the freak (which is why he was called a copycat by Tess' lackey).

[Chulance]

So davis did some of the killings and the guy with the shadow powers

[Karafan1]

I thought the shadow guy might have been a phantom that Clark didn't know was still out there..kinda looked like a phantom..

[unfocused]

I think the Shadow Dude committed all murders in the episode other than the one where Clark found Davis, blood drenched, in the building.

[Meteror Freak]

How could Choe and Clark dismiss Davis after thay found his skin sample in a victim's fingernails? Davis had no wounds at all, not even a scratch, so that means he must've healed. I don't get how sometimes he wakes up naked, and sometimes he wakes up with clothes. Survivors from the ace of clubs claim that he was "bony" but apparently no one saw him turn back to normal.

[ClarkyBoy14]

So, I believe that the Shadow Guy killed the MF in the teaser, and Doomsday caused the destruction at the AoC, right?

[xrayvision]

I think you're right. Why else would Davis be covered in blood at the Ace of Clubs?

[ClarkyBoy14]

That's true. And I don't think Shadow Guy could cause all that destruction.

I was kinda confused cause I didn't really catch what Kat (or whatever Tess's asst.'s name is) said to Shadow Guy.

[xrayvision]

By the way, here's a post I made a while back about a meteor freak I made up:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2172913&postcount=7

It seems like the shadow freak in Prey was similar to the one I made up.

I even made him part of my fanfic episode Fissure as one of Lex's meteor freak team nonetheless (like what Tess wants to do with him).

Here's Fissure if anyone's interested:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2972862&highlight=umbra#post2972862

[BadToad]

My feeling was that Shadow Dude killed the meteor infected girl. And may have been responsible for some of the other murders we had heard about in the police reports. However, I think what happened at the Ace of Clubs was totally Davis. And I also think Davis has been killing people, like the nun that was mentioned.

So, basically, I think the Shadow Dude was just entering into the serial killer realm, and when the opportunity came up to take credit for ALL the murders that had been occuring, he gladly stepped up, hoping to cash in on that to make himself seem terrifying. But I think Davis is the real Big Bad here, no doubt.

[Ardiem3]

I think it was explained that the other figure in the background Davis was talking about, was the shadow kid, and he took credit for Davis' killings because he wanted to be noticed. Davis still killed everyone because I wouldnt think the shadow kid could produce claw marks on a persons face, or crush their bones...

[Chulance]

I didn't really understand his abilties and what was his name?

[Iluvgreen]

I dont know. but he was surely awsome.

[xrayvision]

I think it was explained that the other figure in the background Davis was talking about, was the shadow kid, and he took credit for Davis' killings because he wanted to be noticed. Davis still killed everyone because I wouldnt think the shadow kid could produce claw marks on a persons face, or crush their bones...

I have to go back and watch the episode again to see if Clark or the shadow killer were in the background.

[Steve-El]

Randy Klein aka Noob Saibot

[LightningFlash]

Shadowed-killer pretty much is the answer.

With green eyes.

And it seemed to also take away powers?

Cuz he used the same power that woman had in the opening teaser.

[superspider02]

Yea it was a very interesting krypto freak and i seen here and a few other places some think he might have been a shadow theif based on freak.

[s3dsmv]

twas a cool effect

[Chulance]

hello?

[Vergon6]

I don't think they really told us his name.

[ginnyfan]

Davis definitely killed the Meteor infected girl. His skin was under her fingernails. Why would that be the case otherwise when he was not at the crime scene at all according to the episode. I don't know if shadow kid didn't kill ANYONE. But I think he was following Davis around, admiring his kills.

I hope Chloe puts two and two together at some point.

[jon-el87]

I don't think they really told us his name.

It was Randy.

His ability is similar to that of the DC super villan Shadow Thief.

There's also two super heroes with that ability; Raven & Obsidian and the super villan Ian Karkull.

[unfocused]

Actually, ginnyfan, from what I can remember, and I might be wrong, that was a mistake in the episode...

During the scene where Davis is digging the skin from underneath the victims fingernails, Chloe comes in and begins a conversation with him. This is just after the Meteor Freak was murdered and we get the impression that the victim Davis was prodding was her. This might be why some people believe Davis killed her. But, during that same scene, I noticed it wasn't the Meteor Freak Davis was prodding, but a middle aged man.

I do believe Shadow Dude killed the Meteor Freak girl. He knew her, he knew where she would be after leaving Isis, and he knew that killing one of his own would practically eliminate him from being a suspect by the others in the Isis group.

Again, I might be wrong about this. And you might be right.

[unfocused]

Randy Klein aka Noob Saibot

:lol:

"Shadow Killer" is much better than what I've been calling him... "Shadow Dude." He had a pretty neat ability, I would have liked to see more of it though.

[yaseen101]

Here's what I think, the shadow dude followed the meteor infected girl but Davis killed before he could make his move. Davis goes around killing some people and the shadow killer tried to emulate him, make himself noticed so he tries to kill Davis but Clark stops him and he takes all the credits for the murders.

[Chulance]

oh but what can his shadiw do besides flight does the shadow have super strength

[stenochick]

Shadowed-killer pretty much is the answer.

With green eyes.

And it seemed to also take away powers?

Cuz he used the same power that woman had in the opening teaser.

Yes. His abilities include copying other people's abilities. Tess' lackey even called him out on it when she said that he was a copy-cat killer of the real killer (Davis.)

[shadow4486]

Yes. His abilities include copying other people's abilities. Tess' lackey even called him out on it when she said that he was a copy-cat killer of the real killer (Davis.)

Huh? I didn't hear or see anything that would suggest he could mimic others powers. "copy cat Killer" means he killed people in a similar means to the real killer, NOT that he copied is powers (i.e. Peter Petrelli). Maybe in his shadow form he could have super strength or super speed but not much more.

[kp1984]

I thought he was a ghost at first. I'm like I know your strong and all Clark but how your going to fight a ghost.

[B_M4N]

He is stronger then the average person and is kinda quick but at no point does he have the ability to copy another persons abilities.

[pizzahead2490]

awsome power.

[stenochick]

Huh? I didn't hear or see anything that would suggest he could mimic others powers. "copy cat Killer" means he killed people in a similar means to the real killer, NOT that he copied is powers (i.e. Peter Petrelli). Maybe in his shadow form he could have super strength or super speed but not much more.

I thought in the opening teaser the other people in the group got on his case for copying someone else in the group's power.

I'm not saying he took Davis' powers. I am saying that he was a copy-cat killer of the real killer which is Davis as confirmed by the dead girl's crucifix dangling in Davis' windshield.

----- Added 49 Minutes later -----

I just rewatched the opening teaser and I remembered it totally wrong. No one got on that guy's case except Mary who called him, "pocket protecter." I thought he was copying freeze guy's power when he froze Mary's coffee or that he copied Mary's power when he made the freeze guy's volume go up, but, watching it again, I guess it was freeze guy freezing the coffee and then denying it and Mary increasing the volume herself because he froze her coffee.

[LightningFlash]

Huh? I didn't hear or see anything that would suggest he could mimic others powers. "copy cat Killer" means he killed people in a similar means to the real killer, NOT that he copied is powers (i.e. Peter Petrelli). Maybe in his shadow form he could have super strength or super speed but not much more.

Opening teaser, before the girl was killed, she used her powers to turn on the lights...and then when Davis and Jimmy entered that alley-way, the lights on the ambulance flickered...so, yes, I think the "Shadow Killer" copies meteor freaks powers.

The only reason he was a "copy-cat killer" was that Doomsday crushes the bones of his victims, and so the "SK" decided to do the same thing.

But Tess now has him on her team, so will it be just like the Suicide Squad or no?

[davidbrenton]

The shadow killer was supposed to be ironic in that Clark and gang were chasing a shadow, as opposed to the actual threat (What made the shadow). Looking at it from this perspective, Davis' actions made the shadow (Since the shadow tried to copy him and take credit). But, Davis, the source of the shadow, was not captured.

I think he was there just to highlight the theme more strikiingly. That's why he wasn't focused on.

[JEWCY]

Davis definitely killed the Meteor infected girl. His skin was under her fingernails. Why would that be the case otherwise when he was not at the crime scene at all according to the episode. I don't know if shadow kid didn't kill ANYONE. But I think he was following Davis around, admiring his kills.

I hope Chloe puts two and two together at some point.

plus, wasn't the cross hanging on his ambulance mirror from the girl earlier?

i don't understand why everyone is so confused and talking about a nun being killed

[stenochick]

The shadow killer was supposed to be ironic in that Clark and gang were chasing a shadow, as opposed to the actual threat (What made the shadow). Looking at it from this perspective, Davis' actions made the shadow (Since the shadow tried to copy him and take credit). But, Davis, the source of the shadow, was not captured.

I think he was there just to highlight the theme more strikiingly. That's why he wasn't focused on.

Great observations.

[Kevin24]

So who did the cross belong too? I thought it was the nun and now I'm thinking it was the meteor freaks ?

So who did the cross belong too?

[davidbrenton]

The cross belonged to the nun. I don't think the exact details of who Doomsday killed are necessary to know. Although, he was definitely responsible for the night club murders (All the blood on him that wasn't his---OR he is indestructable and the shadow guy couldn't kill him like the others). But the end pointed out that Doomsday is the real threat and the shadow was just copycatting his murders because he was insecure and seeking fame/recognition.


This does raise an interesting point though, figuring out who doomsday actually killed. This inspires me to rewatch it this weekend with that goal in mind. I like that episodes are rewatchable this season.

[stenochick]

So who did the cross belong too? I thought it was the nun and now I'm thinking it was the meteor freaks ?

So who did the cross belong too?

Mary, the meteor freak was wearing a lightning bold pendant, not a crucifix. Like somene has stated, the onyx crucifix/rosary dangling from Davis' windshield belonged to a murdered nun that shadow boy confessed to murdering even though he was in an arcade at the time of her murder.

[Kevin24]

Thanks for answering my question Steno and Brenton.

[ballofsteel]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't davis at the nightclub for the simple fact that he was wearing his clothes when in one of the previous episodes he awoke naked after Doomsday tookover.

[dru-zod2501]

then how did she ever explain the fact that traces of Davis were found on the victims? She knows it was there!!

[davidbrenton]

Chloe offered up a potentially satisfactory explanation to that when Davis was still the prime suspect. She said his skin easily could have gotten there when he tried to save the people.

I think we are supposed to assume she now thinks that since they found the shadow killer.

[Phantom X]

i was kinda thinkin when i saw that old guy on the floor, with a claw mark across his face that maybe davis did that, but it aint reli clear what the shadow guy could do, cus in the ambulance davis was feelin dizzy, like his dark side was trying to get through, and at one point it sounded like a loud growl...or was i mistaken? any truth in my ideas?

[unfocused]

I dunno but ur name is kewl.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

It is not clear who killed whom, but I think that the writers want it that way.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Actually, ginnyfan, from what I can remember, and I might be wrong, that was a mistake in the episode...

During the scene where Davis is digging the skin from underneath the victims fingernails, Chloe comes in and begins a conversation with him. This is just after the Meteor Freak was murdered and we get the impression that the victim Davis was prodding was her. This might be why some people believe Davis killed her. But, during that same scene, I noticed it wasn't the Meteor Freak Davis was prodding, but a middle aged man.

I do believe Shadow Dude killed the Meteor Freak girl. He knew her, he knew where she would be after leaving Isis, and he knew that killing one of his own would practically eliminate him from being a suspect by the others in the Isis group.

Again, I might be wrong about this. And you might be right.

I can't go back and rewatch, but I don't think they ever said that Davis's skin was under the girl's finger nails, I think they said it was from someone at the Club.

----- Added 33 Seconds later -----


:lol:

"Shadow Killer" is much better than what I've been calling him... "Shadow Dude." He had a pretty neat ability, I would have liked to see more of it though.

Maybe we will... if Tess gets her way. :)

[Ardiem3]

I can't go back and rewatch, but I don't think they ever said that Davis's skin was under the girl's finger nails, I think they said it was from someone at the Club.

No, Clark and Chloe discovered at the Planet with Chloe using her Brainiac skills to see in the charts that it was Davis' skin under the nails...

[unfocused]

Yes, Davis' skin was under the nails, but NOT Mary's. It was under a victims from the Ace of Clubs. If you look closely, the victim is a male, and in a later scene, we see his face, he is an older man.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Right. I should probably download this off of iTunes, because I'd like to rewatch it.

[ginnyfan]

Actually, ginnyfan, from what I can remember, and I might be wrong, that was a mistake in the episode...

During the scene where Davis is digging the skin from underneath the victims fingernails, Chloe comes in and begins a conversation with him. This is just after the Meteor Freak was murdered and we get the impression that the victim Davis was prodding was her. This might be why some people believe Davis killed her. But, during that same scene, I noticed it wasn't the Meteor Freak Davis was prodding, but a middle aged man.


Ah thanks for the clarification. I'll pay more attention when I watch again.

[kknsp23]

doomsday killed the people in the nightclub proved in the end of the episode when Tess's assistant came to talk to the shadow killer,
davis was at the scene of the nightclub covered with blood and when he washed the blood off, he found no scars or anything, and some part in the episode, ppl described the monster as having bony eyebrows

[xrayvision]

doomsday killed the people in the nightclub proved in the end of the episode when Tess's assistant came to talk to the shadow killer,
davis was at the scene of the nightclub covered with blood and when he washed the blood off, he found no scars or anything, and some part in the episode, ppl described the monster as having bony eyebrows

I'm guessing Doomsday used superspeed when he killed them, otherwise Clark would have seen him on the security camera footage.

[shamville]

Why davis didn't go doomsday on jimmy? i through davis set up jimmy take him somewere to kill him.

[Sweetie]

^^

For a moment,I thought Davis was going to mutate infront of Jimmy in the ambulance.Wonder what stopped him?

The shadow guy killed Mary but,Doomsday killed everyone else.That's how I understood it aswell.

[cksidekick]

mary made fun of SK (pocket protector) and he killed her for it...she wore a lightning bolt neclace...

davis killed a Nun in offscreenville (crucifix) that SK tried to take credit for, but Tess' assistant knows better...she has footage of him at an arcade durring the murder...

Davis killed everyone at the AoC...he wasn't naked because it's television...he actualy should have been...

the victim he got the blood from was from the AoC...an old man...

trust me on all this folks...i've seen the episode 6 times now...

what is NOT clear to me is wheather or not SK has any victims OTHER than Mary...and i don't know about the victim that was killed when Jimmy, Clark, and Davis arrived...i'm not shure if Davis changed when he told Jimmy to stay put, or if SK killed the guy and Davis was then attacked by SK when he found the body...i'm thinking it was Shadow Killer...Davis just happened to find them...

[xrayvision]

I don't think Davis can change on his own will. I actually think he doesn't want to change. I wonder if he was genuine when he spoke to Chloe about suspecting he himself was the killer or if he was just doing that because he knew Chloe would dismiss any blame to him. He clearly knows he's waking up being covered in blood. He has to know that something's terribly wrong with him and that he's killing people. Especially with how defensive he got when Clark started questioning him.