Martian Manhunter/John Jones (Everything Related To 'im)

[thebog1]

So, what do/did you think? Good, bad, neutral? What did you like, what did you dislike, what do you have questions about...?

If it's about the infamous intergalactic bounty hunter, talk about it 'ere.

[Dodge006]

I hate to be "that guy", but isn't this a spoiler since there's no official discription posted yet?

[thebog1]

Don't think so. He's listed as a guest star, I believe?

[stenochick]

^^Still, I think you have to wait until after the episode airs to post it.

[thebog1]

Even though he's a guest start and listed on sites w/o spoilers? For example:

http://www.tv.com/smallville/prey/episode/1224016/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;ep_title;5

TV.com has no spoilers (as far as I know) - just episode descriptions as posted by the Station/Channel/Production Company... so if it's legitimately there without being a spoiler...?

[BIGBLUE1]

MARTIAN MANHUNTER... MMMM LETS SEEEEEEE...

theres alot to be sad about the martian manhunter of dc compared to smallvilles... as always with smallville theres a bit of a difference.. well like jone jones isn't african american when he shape shifts into a human form from a alien in his comics he's a white middle aged man and a cop.
but
i like this martian manhunter slightly a little better.
obviously he's a shape shifter so being black or white is a choice he can make on a regular basis so it really isn't that big of a deal ..
but when they took his powers away???? i was kinda lost for words. ok i understand the manhunter afraid of fire but flying to the sun how would that strip him of his powers? maybe make him afraid but i didn't necassarily like that. on top of that in season 6 when bizarro ripped out his liver and he flew off he told clark the reason he healed was exiting the earths atmosphere wheres that healing situation now? if he lost his powers taking clark to the sun how did they get back clark can't fly yet. plus what now we haven't seen him since the premeire when he lost his powers what has he been doing since then ... i really hope that they do something with this guy instead of just telling peole what happened, explain it. and im not threatening but im saying they better do something with the manhunter this episode that redeems him as being one of the strongest members of the JLA.

yes this is the doomsday episode but how many more episode will martian manhunter be in and when will we finally get all the currect members of the smallville jla all in one episode again??? man - o -man but i gues we can't ge everything we want.

i hope that they atleast give the manuntr his powers back this episode

[Dodge006]

Even though he's a guest start and listed on sites w/o spoilers? For example:

http://www.tv.com/smallville/prey/episode/1224016/summary.html?tag=ep_guide;ep_title;5

TV.com has no spoilers (as far as I know) - just episode descriptions as posted by the Station/Channel/Production Company... so if it's legitimately there without being a spoiler...?

Ah I see...yes you're right, it's not a spoiler. Sorry again for being "that guy". KSite didn't have it yet, so I though it might not have been out.

However still, if he has a 10 second spot in it tonight, then yeah this thread is a little silly, we'll just have to see.:)

[Mars Investigations]

Since when has John been a bounty hunter?

[jon-el87]

MARTIAN MANHUNTER... MMMM LETS SEEEEEEE...

theres alot to be sad about the martian manhunter of dc compared to smallvilles... as always with smallville theres a bit of a difference.. well like jone jones isn't african american when he shape shifts into a human form from a alien in his comics he's a white middle aged man and a cop.

Actually, John Jones isn't the characters only human identity. In the comics he's also been known as Bloodwynd (who, by the way, is an African American super hero), Bronze Wraith, Fernus, John Jones, John Johnstone, Marco Xavier, Mrs. Klingman, William Dyer, Hino Rei, Betty Nehring, Joan Jones, Brainwave, Blockbuster, Dervish, Johann Johansen, Yuchiro Takata, Bio Armor Jade Warrior, Big Doof, Isobel De La Rosa, Tomasso (a cat) and a homeless boy named Paolo. In the comics Martian Manhunter has over a 1,000 human identities.

[thebog1]

Lol. over a thousand? Whew.. As for the bounty hunter question, he hunts evil. He was Jor El's 'go to' guy for evil villains. He's a good bounty hounter but one none-the-less...

[pink_ninja]

His scenes were alright i guess.Nothing special but not boring.

[BIGBLUE1]

well i guessi should correct my self but im also glad i said of course being a shape shifter makes him capable of being black or white...or in your case everything you had mentioned.
since my knowledge of comic books isn't as extensive as yours ill take your word for it but other then that i should look into it .. cause i always thought he came to earth wanted to protect humanity from destruction like what happened to his planet and decided to become a detective to get close to action and then got a bad addiction to oreos!!!!! kudos on that!!!!
but of course there are many different out-takes on supermans story so yea before i put my foot in my mouth ill have to check up on these things before i get corrected again on my fictional knowledge!

[ronmanb77]

Actually, John Jones isn't the characters only human identity. In the comics he's also been known as Bloodwynd (who, by the way, is an African American super hero), Bronze Wraith, Fernus, John Jones, John Johnstone, Marco Xavier, Mrs. Klingman, William Dyer, Hino Rei, Betty Nehring, Joan Jones, Brainwave, Blockbuster, Dervish, Johann Johansen, Yuchiro Takata, Bio Armor Jade Warrior, Big Doof, Isobel De La Rosa, Tomasso (a cat) and a homeless boy named Paolo. In the comics Martian Manhunter has over a 1,000 human identities.

That would leave MM as a possibility of who took the crystal, or at least sent that email. Maybe with help from Cyborg/Victor, since the JL met MM in the premiere.

[Super Maverick]

This thread is a spoiler.

You bastard.

:(

[thebog1]

How's the thread a spoiler?

[Super Maverick]

There was no mention of Martian Manhunter in last week's "scenes for next week"

I had no clue he'd be on.

Until now.

[Doomsday666]

^ He was in the trailer

[thebog1]

And he is listed as a guest star.

It sounds, to me, like someone just wants to troll and bring negativity to the thread - and the episode hasn't even started!

[Doomsday666]

^ Funny

[xrayvision]

I hope we get to see a lot more of him as a detective. I'm loving the scenes with him & Clark working together. PS3 made a great decision with this. Thumbs up to them. :)

[thebog1]

I want to say that his appearance as a Metro PD was definitely tight and his conversation with Clark afterwards (at the Daily Planet) was just all it ought to be. :D

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I had a small issue with him at the end. He almost sounded like he was trying to parent Clark, which is the last thing we need. Good advice is fine and all but not when it comes off sorta 'fatherly'...

[ForzaItalia]

The idea is alright. It's totally unlike anything from the comics to have Martian Manhunter a detective without powers. But he seems pretty interesting in a different way.

[dru-zod2501]

I had a small issue with him at the end. He almost sounded like he was trying to parent Clark, which is the last thing we need. Good advice is fine and all but not when it comes off sorta 'fatherly'...
It's called telling him off, and he was alot nicer about it than Chloe or Ollie would've been. He totally deserved it

[Tone]

I like it I didnt even espect him to be in this episode. Wonder when he'll get his powers back or maybe he's lying so Clark can step up.

[xrayvision]

I like it I didnt even espect him to be in this episode. Wonder when he'll get his powers back or maybe he's lying so Clark can step up.

I didn't know he was in this episode either.

[warriorrenegade]

I gotta agree. Seeing Jon Jonz' tonight, was pretty cool.

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I like it I didnt even espect him to be in this episode. Wonder when he'll get his powers back or maybe he's lying so Clark can step up.


That's the theory I'm runnin with also. Ithink he's just lying low. Seeing how Clark handles things. Seeing if he's indeed ready for that "next step"

[Darth Pipes]

Definitely liked him as a detective. It was the best use of his character...possibly ever. I've always liked Phil Morris and I'm glad he was utilized more here.

He should have told Clark...

"Covering for you is the most public yet of my humuiliations!"

[TheLightOfKrypton]

Yeah, it was great to see J'onn again. I love that guy. And being a detective is definitely the way to go with MM. He just seems like that fits him and it fits in line with the comics. Detective John Jones, that just sounds like a major BA. I just hope this isn't the last we see of him.

[roccanater]

That is awesome! Martian Manhunter being a detective is a great way to go now.

[unfocused]

I love MM's new job. If they make an episode centered around him being a detective, with or without Clark, he will do a great job.

Also, I loved how obvious Phil Morris' comical talent shone through in the DP scene. He's really a funny guy.

[Guidron]

It was a great way to work him back into the story line. This way he can help mentor Clark along his path.

[roccanater]

The Martian Manhunter is simply awesome!

[xrayvision]

I love MM's new job. If they make an episode centered around him being a detective, with or without Clark, he will do a great job.

Also, I loved how obvious Phil Morris' comical talent shone through in the DP scene. He's really a funny guy.

You just gave me an idea. They could have a spin-off titled Manhunter with MM being a Metropolis detective and using his powers. I would definitely watch that.

[Chulance]

John's talk with jimmy about the mysterious "blur" was actually quite funny john is one of my favorite characters.

[SnowBird]

I think he makes a great detective. I'm glad he is close in case Clark needs him.

[davidbrenton]

I like the actors enthusiasm toward the show and work. Him pointing out an identity is needed was not parenting, but purely a necessary set up for the next episode. This season has a lot planned, and they are moving quickly. I love and expect to need short, to the point scenes like this.

[Chulance]

John rocked even without his powers he's amazing

[Meteror Freak]

I LOVE that he is a detective now! He was a detective at one point in the comics! I knew he was going to be a detective a second before they said it, when he walked into the crime scene. I liked seeing him interact with Jimmy and not just Clark. I wish we could see more of him and get his very own episode like the other leaguers got. But the way he refferred to the "emerald archer and his super friends" makes me worry that he will not become a part of the league. That would be bad.

[Chulance]

So if John is a detective he hasa reason to be at crime scene's jut like Clark.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I liked his scenes. I'm glad that he got a job as a Metropolis detective. He also appeared as a pretty cool guy in this episode.

Was this the first time the show has actually referred to him by John Jones?

[colibri]

I enjoyed him the best next to Doomsday.

[ClarkyBoy14]

You just gave me an idea. They could have a spin-off titled Manhunter with MM being a Metropolis detective and using his powers. I would definitely watch that.

I was just about to post that before I saw your post. I think a Detective MM series would be great. Unfortunately, Phil Morris is "too old" to be the star of a CW show, so it would have to be on a different network.

As for the topic of the thread, I think it's a great idea to make him a detective, and it will probably be easier to work him into stories this way too.

[pjack]

I LOVE that he is a detective now! He was a detective at one point in the comics! I knew he was going to be a detective a second before they said it, when he walked into the crime scene. I liked seeing him interact with Jimmy and not just Clark. I wish we could see more of him and get his very own episode like the other leaguers got. But the way he refferred to the "emerald archer and his super friends" makes me worry that he will not become a part of the league. That would be bad.

not to worry, Clark has resisted but he will be. We never know how long or when he might decide to join. He hasn't really even met them officially.

[BadToad]

He was awesome. I really hope he shows up more down the road, because I think he adds a voice of maturity and experiance to the show. He's really the only character presently on the show that is qualified to act as counseler to Clark.

[xrayvision]

I was just about to post that before I saw your post. I think a Detective MM series would be great. Unfortunately, Phil Morris is "too old" to be the star of a CW show, so it would have to be on a different network.

As for the topic of the thread, I think it's a great idea to make him a detective, and it will probably be easier to work him into stories this way too.

Yeah, unfortunately you're right. If that idiot Dawn Ostroff was wanting to get rid of Jensen Ackles from Supernatural because he was "too old", then Phil Morris is out of the question. And it's a shame. The guy's a great actor. I have to watch the episode of Knight Rider he was in (Knight Flight to Freedom). I think he may have been a villian in that one.

[eas]

I loved him!!

Another thing that makes sense is that Clark has a friend in the police department... this is definitely going to come in handy for him later and will go a long ways towards explaining some things.

Between MM, Green Arrow, and his set-up at the DP, they're slowly creating a story of how Superman manages to be Superman/Clark Kent at the same time... he's got friends and connections.... I like it.

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He was awesome. I really hope he shows up more down the road, because I think he adds a voice of maturity and experiance to the show. He's really the only character presently on the show that is qualified to act as counseler to Clark.

Yes, I agree. That lecture he gave Clark at the end made so much more sense coming from him.... I loved it.

[Karafan1]

I liked the Martian Manhunter scenes and I hope somehow he gets his powers back. I don't want him to get killed off just because he doesn't have his powers anymore..

[Cyn]

I love MM. When Clark said "there must be some way to get your powers back" or something like that I thought "this is how they get Clark to fly". Clark could fly MM out of Earth's atmosphere so that he could regain his powers. Anyway, I love the MM character and his place in Smallville Clark's life. Honestly, I would also really love to see how Det. Jonz and Lois get along. LOL!

[Iluvgreen]

He just needs his powers back!!!!!!!!!!!

[superspider02]

I thought john jones was pretty good in tonights episode. I have enjoyed his character alot since they included him back in season 6. I do hope they plan to have him in atless 1-3 more episodes besides episode 12 which we know he will next be appearing in. Also it was so sweet they actually made him a detective in metroplis like one of his human identities were in the comics.

[angelcervantes74]

I love Phil Morris as the Martian Manhunter. He comes off natural and him becoming a detective like in the comics is great.

[svtwamedfan05]

I absolutely loved MM in this episode as always

[B_M4N]

It was a really good way to get him back in the show...but when Clark asked him how he got promoted to detective so fast and Jon just replys he "has sources" if he doesn't have powers what could that mean?

[geminis]

So, what do/did you think? Good, bad, neutral? What did you like, what did you dislike, what do you have questions about...?

If it's about the infamous intergalactic bounty hunter, talk about it 'ere.

First off, thank you for creating this thread. I love J'onn J'onzz and I love Phil Morris; finally an episode where he's being utilized, and well. I loved how MM commented on Lois, Clark's mouthy cohort, the emerald archer and the super friends. There was such a twinkle in his eye saying that line. I saw Phil and his love of comics come out there. This episode also, for the first time, made me believe in him as MM. In the past I couldn't get past his Justice League episodes, I kept hearing him as Vandal Savage. Tonight, Vandal Savage went away and Martian Manhunter appeared. His 'lecture' to Clark didn't bother me at all; he has assumed the role of Clark's protector and watchful guardian, exactly like he does with the Justice League. He's helping Clark by cleaning up afer, but he's still making Clark go out and be heroic; his anvil to Clark in front of Jimmy about needing the help just about killed me.

And his other anvil about Clark going out rescuing people without a mask?! Priceless!

Detective Jones' scenes are the ones I'm wanting to watch over and over this week.

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It was a really good way to get him back in the show...but when Clark asked him how he got promoted to detective so fast and Jon just replys he "has sources" if he doesn't have powers what could that mean?

I think there's a possibility he does have his powers and is just pushing Clark to stand on his own two feet. He's been on Earth watching over Clark for a long time, and with his abilities; that would give him a lot of time to establish sources. Also, as a telepath and a shapeshifter he would be able to identify the good people, blend in with a whole lot of different people and places, and be unobtrusive and observe in a wide range of unexpected guises.

Nothing to dislike and a whole lot to love.

[defga]

When he talked with Jimmy at the end, he sounded like he did as Jackie Chiles on Seinfeld. The quick delivery and just the tone of his voice was like that character all over again. I don't know if anybody noticed that or agrees though

[smallvillerocks45]

I was so happy that the Martian Manhunter was brought back onto the show. The more I see him, the more I love him.

First of all, Phil Morris is a terrific actor, and secondly, his presence finally gives Clark a male friend who really gets him and understands his origins. Plus, as someone mentioned above, he also now has connections from within the police department; it's so cool!

I'm definitely a happy SV fan.

... and defga, yes, I did notice the tone of his voice changed. It was a really great touch - I liked it.

[ginnyfan]

ADORE! I like the scolding he gave Clark. I love his scene with Jimmy. I just love this guy. <3

I'm glad to see that Clark hasn't forgotten about restoring MM's powers but when Clark said that I immediately thought of his cousin Kara. Maybe he assumes that Kara's dead. When a terminator takes the identity of a loved one... oh wait.

[Spirit Detective]

I like his Detective role. Even without powers, Martian Manhunter is doing some good. I like how he mentioned Oliver's Justice League.

[wickedwango]

Wasn't MM meant to mention Kara in this episode?

[thebog1]

Here it is.. been looking for this thread.

Ok, I rewatched it -very, very- carefully. John Jones never denies (or admits) that he does or does not still have his abilities. He also made detective on the police force in a fairly short amount of time. He references 'friends'/'sources' but he never reveals whom. As he's an 'intergalactic' traveler, as far as Smallville fan's know, John Jone's sources would be limited to Clark (since we have yet to hear about his interaction with anyone else in 'On-Screensville'.

My belief after careful analysis is:

John Jones/Martian Manhunter still posseses his abilities. It would explain how he could return Clark to Earth - they had left the atmosphere so Clark could revive through the power of the sun in [Season 8, Episode 1 - Odyssey]. Without his powers, the vacum of space would have exploded J.J./M.M. (Although the same could be true of Clark Kent since his corpse would have been otherwise normal without his powers).
J.J./M.M. has finally decided to keep the promise made to Jor-El about just being a watchful guardian. That's all he had been for the first five and a half years (halfway through Season 6 is only 5.5 years) and now that he interfered so much as to help Clark rise from 'the dead', he probably realizes that Clark Kent can't be who he is if J.J./M.M. becomes a 'fall back'. Essentially, he has removed himself from Kent's aid so he won't be a 'crutch' to Kent.
He seemed unconcerned for his well-being at all by talking to the meteorite-infected, dynamically-altered person(s) by himself - a precarious job for a 'mortal'.

[protege]

This is the first Smallville I've actually watched in several weeks. For some reason, this season hasn't really interested me all that much. I like the fact the John Jones took a job as a detective in order to "Keep tabs" on Clark. I'd like it if he stuck around on a regular basis.

[geminis]

When he talked with Jimmy at the end, he sounded like he did as Jackie Chiles on Seinfeld. The quick delivery and just the tone of his voice was like that character all over again. I don't know if anybody noticed that or agrees though

I, like SmallvilleRocks45, noticed and agree as well.

[rconner]

Here it is.. been looking for this thread.

Ok, I rewatched it -very, very- carefully. John Jones never denies (or admits) that he does or does not still have his abilities. He also made detective on the police force in a fairly short amount of time. He references 'friends'/'sources' but he never reveals whom. As he's an 'intergalactic' traveler, as far as Smallville fan's know, John Jone's sources would be limited to Clark (since we have yet to hear about his interaction with anyone else in 'On-Screensville'.

My belief after careful analysis is:

John Jones/Martian Manhunter still posseses his abilities. It would explain how he could return Clark to Earth - they had left the atmosphere so Clark could revive through the power of the sun in [Season 8, Episode 1 - Odyssey]. Without his powers, the vacum of space would have exploded J.J./M.M. (Although the same could be true of Clark Kent since his corpse would have been otherwise normal without his powers).
J.J./M.M. has finally decided to keep the promise made to Jor-El about just being a watchful guardian. That's all he had been for the first five and a half years (halfway through Season 6 is only 5.5 years) and now that he interfered so much as to help Clark rise from 'the dead', he probably realizes that Clark Kent can't be who he is if J.J./M.M. becomes a 'fall back'. Essentially, he has removed himself from Kent's aid so he won't be a 'crutch' to Kent.
He seemed unconcerned for his well-being at all by talking to the meteorite-infected, dynamically-altered person(s) by himself - a precarious job for a 'mortal'.

This makes alot of sense. However MM did say to Clark that the Sun stripped him of his powers in the barn scene after bringing him back from the dead.

[geminis]

Here it is.. been looking for this thread.

Ok, I rewatched it -very, very- carefully. John Jones never denies (or admits) that he does or does not still have his abilities. He also made detective on the police force in a fairly short amount of time. He references 'friends'/'sources' but he never reveals whom. As he's an 'intergalactic' traveler, as far as Smallville fan's know, John Jone's sources would be limited to Clark (since we have yet to hear about his interaction with anyone else in 'On-Screensville'.

My belief after careful analysis is:

John Jones/Martian Manhunter still posseses his abilities. It would explain how he could return Clark to Earth - they had left the atmosphere so Clark could revive through the power of the sun in [Season 8, Episode 1 - Odyssey]. Without his powers, the vacum of space would have exploded J.J./M.M. (Although the same could be true of Clark Kent since his corpse would have been otherwise normal without his powers).
J.J./M.M. has finally decided to keep the promise made to Jor-El about just being a watchful guardian. That's all he had been for the first five and a half years (halfway through Season 6 is only 5.5 years) and now that he interfered so much as to help Clark rise from 'the dead', he probably realizes that Clark Kent can't be who he is if J.J./M.M. becomes a 'fall back'. Essentially, he has removed himself from Kent's aid so he won't be a 'crutch' to Kent.
He seemed unconcerned for his well-being at all by talking to the meteorite-infected, dynamically-altered person(s) by himself - a precarious job for a 'mortal'.


IA. He told Clark flat out "my identity is not at risk." And he's running interference for Clark after all of the good samaritan rescues. Sounds like MM is playing a long game. He tells Clark that he is the miracle that people are waiting for and also says we could use the help. Clark certainly picked up on his comment about the mask and the prodding to continue putting himself out there. Next week Clark will try a repeat of Hydro with Oliver's help. However, he's going to find that he is impossible to impersonate.

MM has found a place, keeping watch over Clark and his new adopted world. His expertise in camouflage and disguises is coming in handy; he's like Lois, he's not in to hand holding, he's encouraging Clark to put himself out there. His own powers would get in the way so he's stepping aside for Clark and destiny.

I think his powers aren't completely stripped away; low battery, yes. Gone, no. He just needs to leave Earth's atmosphere again for a recharge.

[jon-el87]

I like it I didnt even espect him to be in this episode. Wonder when he'll get his powers back or maybe he's lying so Clark can step up.

Clearly, J'onn must still have his powers, since he still possesses his African American form and shapeshifting is among his abilities. Also, since he has set himself up as a homocide detective named John Jones, he must have had access to his telepathy, otherwise he couldn't have created a false backstory and everything else needed for this identity to work.

When you look at earlier episodes, Clark have been shown running to Chloe, Pete, Lex or someone else for help, when he needed it, rather then at least trying to make it on his own. If you ask me, J'onn has taken these things into consideration and decided to pretend to be powerless. Honestly, if he was really powerless and needed to leave the Earth's atmosphere to heal, he could have just asked Clark to throw him into orbit or talked to Oliver Queen and convinced him to pay for ride on a spaceshuttle or something.

[redRound]

I really liked J'onn in this episode. He's being used properly. I too would watch a show with him as detective.

About his powers, I think he still has them too. But if not, I like the idea of this being a set up for to Clark fly him out of the earth's atmosphere, and have his powers restored.

[jon-el87]

But the way he refferred to the "emerald archer and his super friends" makes me worry that he will not become a part of the league. That would be bad.

Personally, I don't think Green Arrow's team is the actual Justice League. It's simply a prototype team for all of those that fallows (Justice League, Outsiders, Teen Titans, Young Justice, etc). In the comics you have teams like Justice Society of America and Seven Soliders of Victory (super hero team during WWII), that came into the picture decades before the Justice League and acted as a form of inspiration. However, in Smallville, they've decided to cut out the JSA and have the early 21st century be the birth of super heroes, making Green Arrow's team more of a replacement for the original super hero team (kinda how DC retconned in new characters into the golden age era, to cover the absense of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman from that time).

[dreamsofnever]

Long time lurker, finally coming out of hiding. Just had to say that I geeked out at the idea of John Jones, detective. I love the tie-in with the comics incarnation of Martian Manhunter. And I laughed a lot at the 'superfriends' joke. Too funny!

I'm curious to see where they go with the character, and hopefully he gets some more screen-time, though in the youth-oriented CW, that's doubtful. Funny how MM is the ONLY character that's in the adult age range right now.

[justme_007]

i love his character in this episode. So funny and misterious. Just a question is this the first time (at the show, not in deleted scenes) that they let us know his alter ego John Jones. Can someone answer me?

[thebog1]

By name, perhaps. I don't recall if they used it before in Season 6, Episode 18's Labrynth Episode. And I don't recall Clark ever addressing him by name - nor Kara for that matter. They usually say 'he', 'it', 'they'... I never really thought about it before.

[geminis]

Mostly what I remember is Kara calling him Martian Manhunter. John Jones, not so much; it might actually be the first time for his Earth alter ego to make an appearance.

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Clearly, J'onn must still have his powers, since he still possesses his African American form and shapeshifting is among his abilities. Also, since he has set himself up as a homocide detective named John Jones, he must have had access to his telepathy, otherwise he couldn't have created a false backstory and everything else needed for this identity to work.

When you look at earlier episodes, Clark have been shown running to Chloe, Pete, Lex or someone else for help, when he needed it, rather then at least trying to make it on his own. If you ask me, J'onn has taken these things into consideration and decided to pretend to be powerless. Honestly, if he was really powerless and needed to leave the Earth's atmosphere to heal, he could have just asked Clark to throw him into orbit or talked to Oliver Queen and convinced him to pay for ride on a spaceshuttle or something.

Great points!

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Long time lurker, finally coming out of hiding. Just had to say that I geeked out at the idea of John Jones, detective. I love the tie-in with the comics incarnation of Martian Manhunter. And I laughed a lot at the 'superfriends' joke. Too funny!

I'm curious to see where they go with the character, and hopefully he gets some more screen-time, though in the youth-oriented CW, that's doubtful. Funny how MM is the ONLY character that's in the adult age range right now.

Welcome out of the shadows! The superfriends reference was a laugh riot!

Fortunately, J'onn Jonzz will be back next year; I believe in Bulletproof.

[Hugo]

I haven't read MM comics so I don't know alot about him, but I was just wondering if somebody could please tell me a bit about who his "sources" might be?

[galatians221]

I'm old enough to remember the George Reeves TV show of Superman and one of the main characters was Inspector Bill Henderson who worked with Clark and Lois in solving crime in Metropolis. True, Inspector Henderson wasn't from Mars and didn't know about Clark's secret but it's Smallville providing the same link for Clark to the police. I thought it was kind of cool. Now they've got to get Jimmy Olsen to say "Jeepers Mr. Kent".

[Timester]

MM is John Jones, Police Detective. The difference is he is on Metropolis, instead Chicago like in the comics.

[hansioux]

He was the best thing that happened to this episode...

I mean Smallville has always been great because of these father figures. Jonathan was awesome, best Jonathan Kent I've ever seen. Lionel Luther was simply awesome whether he was evil or protecting Clark. Now, they are gone, I am glad to have MMH there.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah, unfortunately you're right. If that idiot Dawn Ostroff was wanting to get rid of Jensen Ackles from Supernatural because he was "too old", then Phil Morris is out of the question. And it's a shame. The guy's a great actor. I have to watch the episode of Knight Rider he was in (Knight Flight to Freedom). I think he may have been a villian in that one.

She tried to get rid of Jensen Ackles?? She really is stupid. Not that I didn't know it before, but the fact just continues to get hammered in more and more. :(

IA that Phil Morris is a great actor. It'll be great if we get to see him in a few more episodes this season.

[MartianRogue]

I think Jonn was reffering to Bruce Wayne :-)

[ginnyfan]

I think Jonn was reffering to Bruce Wayne :-)

AH! That would be so cool.


He was the best thing that happened to this episode...

I mean Smallville has always been great because of these father figures. Jonathan was awesome, best Jonathan Kent I've ever seen. Lionel Luther was simply awesome whether he was evil or protecting Clark. Now, they are gone, I am glad to have MMH there.

I'm so glad that you compare MM to Clark's previous father figures. I completely agree. I was talking to my sister about how there was kind of a void left with Jonathan died. MM has the strength of presence that Jonathan has... so you really buy him as a guide and authority figure for Clark. I think Perry White would be like that for Clark also in a different way if he were on the show. Lionel had that too though... I never knew how far Clark could trust Lionel.

[hansioux]

I'm so glad that you compare MM to Clark's previous father figures. I completely agree. I was talking to my sister about how there was kind of a void left with Jonathan died. MM has the strength of presence that Jonathan has... so you really buy him as a guide and authority figure for Clark. I think Perry White would be like that for Clark also in a different way if he were on the show. Lionel had that too though... I never knew how far Clark could trust Lionel.

yeah, these actors and characters really brought great stuff to the show. I mean without these adult figures, it'd just be a bunch of teenagers with super hormone powers...

As a LnC fan, Lane Smith's Perry White was so great, I kind of have a hard time seeing anyone else being Perry White. Nothing against the Perry White that showed up earlier, but he didn't feel like a father character then. I do agree they need to bring Perry White in.

[ShelbyKent]

I wonder who pulled strings to get MM a job with Metro PD? Ollie?

[thebog1]

Dunno, but it'd be nice if we could keep all the MM threads in one spot - he only had 5 minutes of air time, LOL. :)

Let's see.. another thread thinks MM/JJ should (or shouldn't) have given J. Olsen an interview. I'd say 'no'. Reporting is fine and all, but the way the Superman comics have gone about it should be more realistic. Police people(s) on the show shouldn't give interviews on OPEN police cases until they usually would IRL and Clark/Lois need to stop stealing crime scene evidence, with-holding evidence and just generally breaking the law themselves.

Anywas, on MM - I also say no because it'd probably open up a can of worms as to how he joined, where he's from, etc. . . Not to mention if J.Olsen gave an interview, ya' know Chloe would probably want to ask a few follow-up questions herself, out of habit.

[smallvillerocks45]

I wonder who pulled strings to get MM a job with Metro PD? Ollie?

That thought crossed my mind... but maybe Oliver Queen is too obvious, and since Oliver doesn't know John Jones well nor is he exactly on speaking terms with Clark at the moment, I'm not sure how likely it was he who helped John Jones rise to the position of Detective. I would actually like it if it was Bruce Wayne, instead. It would be a huge deal if PS3 could get away with it, IMO.

[LuthorKent90]

I liked them. The ending with Jimmy was hilarious. :lol:
I just wish they'd stop with him just randomly popping in and out, he needs to be seen in more episodes!

[alejandrita439]

yes, i liked his scenes,, especially the last one with jimmy :)

[Sweetie]

I like MM.Phil Morris is a good actor.It's important for Clark to have a father's figure to watch over him and to guide him well through his destiny.I wish he could be in more episodes.Is he invite to the wedding ;)

[President_Luthor]

I think MM's role is important this season because he will be the one to provide 'reality checks' for Clark. As we've seen in this ep., there will already be tension in the Clark-Chloe relationship, not to mention what effect the Brainiac infusion will have on her. With Chloe's involvement in Isis, she won't be necessarily the go-to girl whenever Clark needs a dose of cold, hard reality.

We can't forget that MM gave up A LOT to help Clark (his powers, anyone?). All because Clark was 'still' running from his destiny then. Clark finally is accepting his destiny and MM is there to ensure that he won't become reckless ie get on the publicity radar.

He gave up his powers for you, Clark. IMHO that gives him carte blanche to say "You, listen up" when needed.

[RedKRules]

I totally loved him on this episode, everything was greattttt! GO MM!! :D

[eas]

Dunno, but it'd be nice if we could keep all the MM threads in one spot - he only had 5 minutes of air time, LOL. :)

Let's see.. another thread thinks MM/JJ should (or shouldn't) have given J. Olsen an interview. I'd say 'no'. Reporting is fine and all, but the way the Superman comics have gone about it should be more realistic. Police people(s) on the show shouldn't give interviews on OPEN police cases until they usually would IRL and Clark/Lois need to stop stealing crime scene evidence, with-holding evidence and just generally breaking the law themselves.

Anywas, on MM - I also say no because it'd probably open up a can of worms as to how he joined, where he's from, etc. . . Not to mention if J.Olsen gave an interview, ya' know Chloe would probably want to ask a few follow-up questions herself, out of habit.

When did MM give Olsen an interview? I thought they were just having a conversation and MM said that he'd talk to Olsen about the "Good Samaritan" after Olsen brought him some evidence. As in, "Don't waste my time, son, until you've got something to waste my time about."

And I don't think we're ever going to see a Clark Kent/Lois Lane stop breaking the law. That's the stuff that comic books are based on... Batman, Wonder, Superman.... all of them break the law on a regular basis.

Part of what makes Lois Lane so much fun (even in other versions) is that she'd literally do ANYTHING for a story. And part of that is breaking into places and stuff... because it's a comic book, they make the legal issue a lot more flexible, because - otherwise - she'd just be a stagnant character sitting at a desk all the time. (Like SRLois.)

[HeartChakraBabe]

He's great! I think his character is portrayed well; he has that air of calm wisdom and advice, which I always liked about J'onn/MM in the animated series.

[BULLITT]

Ever since this character showed up, the villains have been stronger, meaner, and even more psychotic .

Clark needs to kill him asap.

[winthjo]

John Jones must have a little bit of his powers, because if he didn't, wouldn't he have reverted to his Martain form instead of human?

[jon-el87]

John Jones must have a little bit of his powers, because if he didn't, wouldn't he have reverted to his Martain form instead of human?

Yeah, clearly Smallville's Martian Manhunter is still a shapeshifting alien. We saw him transform from his human, African-American form to his true from in Justice & Doom. We also got a Small peak of his true form in the episode Static.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/f/fd/True_form.JPG

It very much possible, that he's just faking being powerless to get Clark to step up or he's got some kind of Martian hologram device with him at all times, in case his powers would fail and he'd be unable to stay in human form. A third possibility is also, that he lost all of his powers, exept his shapeshifting ability, only keeping quiet about it, since he's afraid of what Clark's reaction might be, if he knew J'onn doesn't look human. Remember in the comics, the first human to see J'onn in his true form got so scared, he had a heart attack.

[Starsaber]

My guess (I'm only this far along plus what's been aired of Season 10) is that if he really did lose his shapeshifting ability, it means he's stuck in the last form he was in (the human one), not that he'd revert back to his original form.