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shy175223
10-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Please be respectful of ppls opinions and do not post your thoughts until after the episode.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 05:20 AM
This thread will open as soon as the episode has aired.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 07:06 PM
This thread is now Open :D

Pretty good episode :D

shy175223
10-23-2008, 07:06 PM
awesome!!!!

susangail
10-23-2008, 07:06 PM
Not one of my favorites; just okay.

xrayvision
10-23-2008, 07:06 PM
Prey was an epic episode. This is the way Smallville should have been for a long time. I haven't enjoyed an episode this much since Commencement. This episode had Clark being more like Superman than he ever was. The freak was also very cool. They combined several great plots into one great episode. Kudos to PS3.

Dodge006
10-23-2008, 07:07 PM
Terrible...just another FOTW ep...and completely misleading.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 07:08 PM
I would have liked more Superman and less Flash powers.

I enjoyed the Davis scenes, Chloe was great as usual, I really like Jimmy, he was great tonight too.

minerva73
10-23-2008, 07:08 PM
I agree that this was the best episode WITHOUT relationship angst for a long time. I wouldn't say it goes as far back as Commencement (JMO), but it was sooo awesome.

EDIT: This episode easily gets a 10. I'm going to buy this from iTunes immediately when it comes out. :D

dru-zod2501
10-23-2008, 07:10 PM
I loved it. Alot. For an hour I finally forgot this show used to be Smallville!

Arwenstar
10-23-2008, 07:10 PM
Can't go wrong with an episode where Clark and Chloe interact with each other + lots of action. Doomsday was good, Clark was acting like Superman, and ahh... a triangle, I see a triangle! 8D XD

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:11 PM
I enjoyed it overall, but I'm still a little on the fence about Clark tonight. He ended up being right, but I'm still not sure that he was right, if you know what I mean. I can see both sides of the issue there - both Chloe's and Clark's.

So I'm going to abstain from voting until I process the episode a bit more. :)

origin
10-23-2008, 07:11 PM
great episode tonight.

Clark-Lois
10-23-2008, 07:11 PM
idk. honestly i liked it, but then again i'm obsessed with smallville and love all the episodes, but first of all, this was missing lois. second, idk it just didn't seem right to me. i can't explain it. it just went by so fast. again, i really enjoyed it but i guess it could have been better.

OliviaB
10-23-2008, 07:12 PM
I love this episode. LOVED it. More reasons why Chloe sucks at Isis, and shouldn't be there but at the DP (those scenes were <3 with Chlark back at the DP).

Chlark sparks and they're doing wonders with setting up Davis as Doomsday. It's a great beginning and they're showing they can write character's journey properly, even if he is only coming in for this seaosn.

Here's hoping for MUCH more Davis coming up. I think Sam does a wonderfully creepy job with him and it elevates AM and TW too. When the right combination clicks, it shows.

Luthor5339
10-23-2008, 07:12 PM
Thought it was great all around. And find it cool to see shadow guy/ bug boy (SN Season 1) get recruited.

B_M4N
10-23-2008, 07:12 PM
I think this episode was amazing it had a lot of really good things going in it and it has started the build up for Doomsday!!

davidbrenton
10-23-2008, 07:13 PM
I very much like Doomsday's character and actor significantly more than Lex. This guys emotional range makes Lex's look so one toned.

Overall, it was a necessary "set-up" episode. It set up the need for Clark's identity and the evil that will be Doomsday. It was effective, but not designed to be satisfying by any stretch.

Glad Chloe has come into her own and stood up to Clark. There relationship has moved into adult mutual respect.

Overall, excellent episode for what it was, a set-up.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:14 PM
This was a great episode!!! Incredibly well done. I have to say that I saw it coming with Davis being "found" innocent, but not being really innocent.

I missed Lois, of course, but loved that MM thought she was "mouthy". LOL

Jimmy rocked!! I never thought I'd enjoy Jimmy, but AA brought his A game and reminded me of Iconic Jimmy... earnest, likable, and focussed on getting a good photo for the DP.

Chloe... not liking her so much. She's got feelings for Davis while being engaged to Jimmy? She pretty says that she's never felt the way she feels with Davis except one time (that would be Clark)? What the -- ??? And why did she completely back up Davis with zero doubts?

Clark was great.... sure, he made some mistakes and he's still learning, but that's a good thing. He's not Superman, yet -- but now we can certainly see how he becomes Superman.

The best part, though, for me was MM. Martian Manhunter's scenes were priceless.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 07:16 PM
I would have liked Clark to use more of his Superman powers, and less Flash-like power.

Other than lifting off the broken concrete chunks and one super-vision all he used was superspeed.

Darth Pipes
10-23-2008, 07:16 PM
9/10. I really enjoyed the episode tonight. We had...

1) Pro-Active Clark. Clark does it too ways. Resist being a hero tooth-and-nail or throw yourself into it to the point of being an annoying pain in the ass. That being said, I like pro-active Clark. There's less whining and more superhero stuff and that is a good thing. His scenes tonight with Manhunter, Davis, and Chloe were all really good.

2) Davis! Really like the build for his Doomsday persona. I thought his confrontation with Clark at the hospital (where everyone can go see the corspes!) was the best scene of the night.

3) The return of Martian Manhunter. I can buy him pulling some strings to get on the police force and I think this is putting him to good use. He gets bonus points for suggesting that Clark wears a mask, which should be an obvious thing. I guess Pretty Boy doesn't want to hide his face.

4) Good tension between Clark and Chloe, who looked smoking tonight

davidbrenton
10-23-2008, 07:16 PM
Chloe has chemistry with Davis, an adult chemistry which is very apparent. She is doing the adult thing by recognizing that and putting distance between them. She cannot be faulted for something that's out of her control (Attraction) and she should be given kudos for recognizing it and not perpetuating something that could be damaging to her relationship to Jimmy.

She is putting that relationship first. I truly don't think she can be faulted or looked down for that.

OliviaB
10-23-2008, 07:18 PM
Can't go wrong with an episode where Clark and Chloe interact with each other + lots of action. Doomsday was good, Clark was acting like Superman, and ahh... a triangle, I see a triangle! 8D XD

YES!

I love how Sam is playing Davis, and I'm eager to see how he affects the Chlark relationship. I'm so thrilled they got AM back for this. It's totally going to rock, with the added bonus of Chlark coming out stronger in the end. Conflict over Davis = stronger!Chlark, IMO.

cyntalkz87
10-23-2008, 07:18 PM
where was lois cw had her listed as being in this episode. This was my least fav of this season. It was ok but not the WOW that last week was. Cyntalkz87

eas
10-23-2008, 07:19 PM
I very much like Doomsday's character and actor significantly more than Lex. This guys emotional range makes Lex's look so one toned.

Overall, it was a necessary "set-up" episode. It set up the need for Clark's identity and the evil that will be Doomsday. It was effective, but not designed to be satisfying by any stretch.

Glad Chloe has come into her own and stood up to Clark. There relationship has moved into adult mutual respect.

Overall, excellent episode for what it was, a set-up.

Agree on all counts. The one place I felt Chloe made sense was when she stood up to Clark... she had every right to do it. But, Clark, for his part was right, too. They were both right, in their own way, and - like good friends - understood that at the end.

I think he was very Supermanly there... he did what he had to do... and he explained that his fear is that Chloe might end up protecting the wrong person one day (and he's right, since Davis is Doomsday).

I think that SW is doing a great job as Davis... he shined in all his scenes tonight.

I loved that they set it up for the next episode so well... I like the continuity that's going on this season... one episode segues into another so well.

Ayanne
10-23-2008, 07:20 PM
WOW! This is what Superman should be! The chemistry involved with Davis-Chloe-Clark is AWESOME!!

BEST episode this year!!

Dooms vs Clark!!

eas
10-23-2008, 07:20 PM
where was lois cw had her listed as being in this episode. This was my least fav of this season. It was ok but not the WOW that last week was. Cyntalkz87

Lois is not in all the episodes... Durance is not contracted for all eps. :(

She's also not in "Abyss" -- just to warn you. LOL

redkryptoniteisthebest
10-23-2008, 07:20 PM
This was an amazing episode!

ClarkyBoy14
10-23-2008, 07:21 PM
10/10

Really good episode. Clark came off as a bit of a jerk at times, but other than that, it was great. I loved how it advanced, or started so many plots. It leads into next week's with Jimmy trying to find the "Great Samaritan," John Jones is now going to be a detective in Metropolis, the writers haven't forgotten about the Injustice League plot, and a lot of good stuff for Doomsday/Davis. All of the actors did a really good job. And there was nice continuity too. :)

eas
10-23-2008, 07:22 PM
9/10. I really enjoyed the episode tonight. We had...

1) Pro-Active Clark. Clark does it too ways. Resist being a hero tooth-and-nail or throw yourself into it to the point of being an annoying pain in the ass. That being said, I like pro-active Clark. There's less whining and more superhero stuff and that is a good thing. His scenes tonight with Manhunter, Davis, and Chloe were all really good.

2) Davis! Really like the build for his Doomsday persona. I thought his confrontation with Clark at the hospital (where everyone can go see the corspes!) was the best scene of the night.

3) The return of Martian Manhunter. I can buy him pulling some strings to get on the police force and I think this is putting him to good use. He gets bonus points for suggesting that Clark wears a mask, which should be an obvious thing. I guess Pretty Boy doesn't want to hide his face.

4) Good tension between Clark and Chloe, who looked smoking tonight

I agree on all 4... especially MM... he was awesome. Every scene with them reminded me of "JLU:TaS".

wildcherry
10-23-2008, 07:22 PM
i gave it a 8..it would be a 9 if lois was in it. Overall it was really good but not my favorite

reobeem
10-23-2008, 07:22 PM
This was a nice episode. They explored a little on Davis which is good for his character. I'm kinda happy Doomsday wasn't seen, his big reveal should be saved for later. It was great seeing MM again and since the Justice League movie fell through we'll see more of him. I didn't like the FOTW thing but it worked for this episode. I'm still waiting for what Tess has planned with these people. Next week looks to be amusing.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:23 PM
YES!

I love how Sam is playing Davis, and I'm eager to see how he affects the Chlark relationship. I'm so thrilled they got AM back for this. It's totally going to rock, with the added bonus of Chlark coming out stronger in the end. Conflict over Davis = stronger!Chlark, IMO.


It seems like he's going to be affecting the Chimmy ship more than the Chlark ship, for now, doesn't it? Clark thought he was innocent by the end of this episode and even looked apologetic.

The end scene with Chloe seemed to indicate that Chloe is falling in love with him and Davis feels that she doesn't love Jimmy that much.

Seems like a Davis/Jimmy/Chloe triangle to me.

marikology
10-23-2008, 07:24 PM
I really liked it. I love/hate when Chlark fights, but I can see both sides of their arguments. I loved another reference to their 8 (9) years of friendship and Chloe's 327 meteor freaks profiled. She's really good at cataloging and tracking but not so much with the counseling thing. She's had 2 out of 6 of the villains as clients.

I love Martian Manhunter! I love that has name and a human identity now! I miss the grownups on this show a lot.

So Chloe feels as at ease with Davis as she does with Clark. Hmm...

AND GOD ANSWERED MY PRAYERS! NO CHIMMY SCENES!

xHerox
10-23-2008, 07:25 PM
Although there were definitely some problems with this episode, I still gave it a '9'. In particular, I thought that the way Doomsday was handled was interesting, but definitely not how I imagined the character would be portrayed on the show. I hope that the glimpses of Doomsday that we got during this episode are only a precursor to what he will be like in the future, because I think that the he has the potential to be a great villain for the end of the season.

As far as the characters go, I actually found myself missing Lois but I thought that the material Chloe had was pretty good. I completely bought the idea of Chloe wanting to help the meteor freaks and I think that the idea of her leading some kind of support group for them is very interesting.

Overall, a pretty good episode that might become better - or worse - depending on how Doomsday is handled throughout the rest of the season.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:25 PM
This was a great episode!!! Incredibly well done. I have to say that I saw it coming with Davis being "found" innocent, but not being really innocent.

I missed Lois, of course, but loved that MM thought she was "mouthy". LOL

Jimmy rocked!! I never thought I'd enjoy Jimmy, but AA brought his A game and reminded me of Iconic Jimmy... earnest, likable, and focussed on getting a good photo for the DP.

Chloe... not liking her so much. She's got feelings for Davis while being engaged to Jimmy? She pretty says that she's never felt the way she feels with Davis except one time (that would be Clark)? What the -- ??? And why did she completely back up Davis with zero doubts?

Clark was great.... sure, he made some mistakes and he's still learning, but that's a good thing. He's not Superman, yet -- but now we can certainly see how he becomes Superman.

The best part, though, for me was MM. Martian Manhunter's scenes were priceless.

Good point. You sold me on the Clark thing. ;) And it helps that I just rewatched the beginning of the episode and I'm loving him going out and saving people. That gives it an automatic 5 points straight out of the gate. :D

eas
10-23-2008, 07:25 PM
I would have liked Clark to use more of his Superman powers, and less Flash-like power.

Other than lifting off the broken concrete chunks and one super-vision all he used was superspeed.

Well, he also did his super-jump. And they slyly gave a nod to his speed-reading. (An awesome scene.)

MM: I didn't realize that photographic memory was one of your abilities.
CK: Technically, it's speed-reading, but let's not split hairs.

LOL... I love Clark with a snarky sense of humor. Usually he reserves it for Lois, but she's rubbing off on him. :lol:

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:26 PM
She's really good at cataloging and tracking but not so much with the counseling thing. She's had 2 out of 6 of the villains as clients.

:lol: When you put it that way...Chloe might need to work on her counseling technique. ;)

Arwenstar
10-23-2008, 07:26 PM
It seems like he's going to be affecting the Chimmy ship more than the Chlark ship, for now, doesn't it? Clark thought he was innocent by the end of this episode and even looked apologetic.

The end scene with Chloe seemed to indicate that Chloe is falling in love with him and Davis feels that she doesn't love Jimmy that much.

Seems like a Davis/Jimmy/Chloe triangle to me.

It might have been if it wasn't for Chloe saying she felt the same way around him, or that it was easy around David, and that she had only felt that way once.... BUT NOT WITH JIMMY. Who else has she felt attracted to? ;)

cyntalkz87
10-23-2008, 07:27 PM
I know but if you look at the listing on the CW site it has ED as being in this epi . OH well I guess that I will have to wait for my clois fix .Chloe kicked butt this epi she was a stand out in this epi ! Cyn

Arwenstar
10-23-2008, 07:27 PM
:lol: When you put it that way...Chloe might need to work on her counseling technique. ;)

Or go back to what she was actually good at, which is reporting. :lol:

skylar
10-23-2008, 07:28 PM
It was pretty good... Clark is becoimg SUPERMAN more than he realize!!!
Give a 8.

lovinredkclark
10-23-2008, 07:29 PM
i have to say i thought it was a great ep. i didn't love it but it was better than good.

so many plots were started tonight.

i did love the super jump and that clark is actively taking part in trying to save people.

although i'm sure how i feel about davis bloom yet, i thought he did a great job tonight. i believed his vulnerability.

davis also had a nice moment with chloe and i like how near the end she sort of comfirmed that she needed to stay away from him, or she'll do something which she might feel guily about.

tess' assistant giving us a tease about the 'special team' that she been gathering. so now beth from plastique has a room mate. someone to keep her company while tess finds more people with special ablities who have no moral issues.

it was good to see john jones. but a detective? i agree with clark 'how did that happen so fast?' and an answer that wasn't sooo vague would be nice.

but like i said first it was great ep.

minerva73
10-23-2008, 07:29 PM
As great as Lois has been in most episodes this season, I don't see what she could've done tonight. She would've barely fit in the episode except maybe talking to Chloe about her feelings for Davis or something...


Seems like a Davis/Jimmy/Chloe triangle to me.

I remember the spoilers from the beginning of the season said that it'd be a Clark/Lois/Davis triangle. :lol: But this seems soo much more better. :D


I miss the grownups on this show a lot.

I agree. He just seemed to have more "feeling" in his pep talks with Clark compared to when Chloe did it last season IMO.

luvinChlark
10-23-2008, 07:29 PM
wow.

That was great! I wasn't expecting that I would actually enjoy it, because of the disasters that were the last two episodes. But it was amazing!! I am in love with SW! He was so awesome in his scenes, he even made scenes with Jimmy a tad more interesting. :lol:

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:31 PM
Or go back to what she was actually good at, which is reporting. :lol:

:lol: I think she may just want to start looking outside the box in general.

She's good at compiling and tracking, but not counseling.

She's good at researching but not actually reporting (that is, having her stories printed because she always killed them when there was even the slightest smallest chance they would even brush past Clark and his secret).

I think she should become a research scientist. Plus, Chloe in the white lab coat would probably be hot.

SalvadorianGirl
10-23-2008, 07:32 PM
Best episode ever. The Chlark/Chloom triangle is just great to see. Two men trying to hold onto that special place of Chloe.

This is what SV needs to be about.

Arwenstar
10-23-2008, 07:35 PM
She's good at compiling and tracking, but not counseling.

She's good at researching but not actually reporting (that is, having her stories printed because she always killed them when there was even the slightest smallest chance they would even brush past Clark and his secret).

Not sure if I see it that way since I've never seen anything like that on the show. And from tonight's episode, I actually see that she's rather good at the DP and working with Clark. ;)

Clark and Chloe made a great team tonight, as always! And did anyone notice that it seemed like Clark was being a hacker tonight? LOL. EVERYONE knows how to hack noawadays.:rotfl:

colibri
10-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I gave this one a seven.

I liked the Davis/Doomsday angle the most.
I liked MM.
I liked that Clark has been being a hero for a while and watching him perform some heroics here.

However, I felt that the some things were predictable. I knew they were going to blame the serial killings on someone else and that some of the killings were Doomsday. The one at the Ace of Clubs, for example.

Another problem, is that I though that Clark and Chloe were out of character, especially during the first half of the episode. Clark seemed really weird sometimes.

I'm not going to judge Chloe's attraction to Davis, since I think that's the Braniac thing going on.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:37 PM
Good point. You sold me on the Clark thing. ;) And it helps that I just rewatched the beginning of the episode and I'm loving him going out and saving people. That gives it an automatic 5 points straight out of the gate. :D

I haven't voted, yet, but I think I'm pegging this one at an 8. I have to deduct some points for (1) No Lois; (2) Chloe being a freak when it comes to Davis... engaged to one guy and flirting with another? NOT COOL. (3) The end scene with Clark fighting the 'shadow' wasn't directed well... you couldn't sense that Clark couldn't see the shadow... which also doesn't make sense, because he's got super/xray vision.

Other than that, what have we got left?

1. Clark - Absolutely rocked. Obsessive about saving the world... one Big Mac at a time. LOL... He was flying solo and, let's face it, he was LOVING it... no one had to tell him what to do... with Lois out of the way, he was free to whiz around all of Metropolis and save people w/ no one slowing him down. He felt guilty, but it spurred him on to do even GREATER good. MM tells him that he can't save everyone and should get that and his response? "The day I believe that is the day I stop trying!" He held his own against Chloe... he was tracking down the serial killer by hook or by crook... and what happens? It turns out he's right... but a big enough man that he can face his friend and apologize for violating her trust. WITHOUT MOPING and WHINING!! Good Lord... is that a bird? A plane? Or is it... well you know the rest. LOL

2. Martian Manhunter. He's a detective!!! And he's got his sources... every word out of that man's mouth was gold. Every scene was a gem of Justice League awesome-ness. And the lecture he gives Clark at the end? Clark needs it... MM is stepping up and taking place of Jonathan... being the father figure that Clark needs. And Clark can't back talk to him and whine, "you don't understand..." because MM is A MARTIAN and he DOES understand!!! So, awesomeness right there.

3. Jimmy Olsen. No insecurities... pro-active photographer trying to hunt down a story... and it ends with his work being on the first page... not only was this a great Jimmy story, it made SENSE. This is what we should be seeing for Jimmy EVERY week... not him pining over Chloe.... excellent. And - bonus points - the ending scene with him and MM and Clark was PRICELESS. "You look like a guy who can think outside the box." LOL... great set-up for next week, too. Did I mention I'm loving the continuity this season?

4. Davis/Doomsday. SW rocked every scene tonight. When his Davis broke down crying in front Chloe... talking about the darkness he felt inside him since childhood?? DAMN YOU, SV!! You've made me feel sorry for Doomsday!!! There should be a law against it, except you make it feel so good! On the one hand, I was like "WTF, Chloe? Why are you trusting him?" But on the other hand, I get it... he's hot, cute, and is crying!! How can you not feel bad for the guy?

5. Chloe's Isis Group/Lesson in Ethics. While I'm puzzled by her attraction to Davis, I'm not puzzled by her need to counsel MFs and save them. I'm liking this storyline of Chloe's and I'm interested to see where this route takes her... the path is an interesting one and Mack is rocking these scenes... particularly when it puts her at odds with Clark.

I'm thinking a 7 1/2 out of 10. I guess I should round up to 8?

Firebunny
10-23-2008, 07:38 PM
This is a really good episode. I'm giving it a 9. (It takes a lot to earn a 10 from me.)

I thought the performances were the strongest all season. It helped to have SW and PM on screen. Phil Morris should be in every episode.

Jimmy is so much more likable when he's not around Chloe. He's Jimmy Olsen and not whiney crying boy.

The Clark/Chloe, Clark/Davis and Chloe/Davis scenes were great. The erosion of the Chlark relationship is very interesting to watch. Episode after episode they grow more distant. It's much more interesting than lightswitches. Please, Smallville writers, please say there will be a payoff. You're tearing them down. You better build them up again later.

Kal26
10-23-2008, 07:39 PM
I thought it was a great episode. I gave it a ten because it had so many good qualities however, what I thought was going to happen based on the teasers, and what actually took place in the episode were worlds apart. I was pretty let down by the lack of info we got on Doomsday. A great story, with some a pro active Clark, and a good twist made up for it though. Still no mention of Kara though, and that really upsets me. :confused:

cyntalkz87
10-23-2008, 07:39 PM
I thought that the plot is more about how Clark is struggling to fit into his new life as a superhero in training and an ace reporter in the big city. He is quickly evolving into Superman.

Does anyone think that we will see tights before the end of the series? I know that the writers said no tights and no flights but you never know ! Cyn

eas
10-23-2008, 07:39 PM
Best episode ever. The Chlark/Chloom triangle is just great to see. Two men trying to hold onto that special place of Chloe.

This is what SV needs to be about.

Smallville needs to be about two men vying for Chloe's love? :lol:

Oookkkaay... I always thought it needed to be about Clark Kent becoming Superman.

*shrug*

To each their own.

rtm321
10-23-2008, 07:40 PM
Best ep of the season, hands down. But they need to have a decent follow through of the Doomsday storyline, or I'll go back and lower my grade later.

Ginx
10-23-2008, 07:41 PM
8/10 for me. I enjoyed the building up of Davis and really enjoyed that whole character this episode. I also enjoyed MM. And I did understand that CK is having some growing pains into becoming a hero :) - overall good episode though.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:41 PM
I thought that the plot is more about how Clark is struggling to fit into his new life as a superhero in training and an ace reporter in the big city. He is quickly evolving into Superman.

Does anyone think that we will see tights before the end of the series? I know that the writers said no tights and no flights but you never know ! Cyn



I think that this was about Clark learning that he can't save everyone and that - if he's not careful - his need to save everyone will blind him to everything & take over his whole life... so he's not even a healthy, functioning, person anymore.

Meaning: He can't be Superman ALL the time... he must take time to just be Clark Kent.

I think that next week's episode will focus on the need for a dual identity & seperating out his two personas.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


And I did understand that CK is having some growing pains into becoming a hero :) - overall good episode though.

And that's how it should be, right? That's what keeps this show a story about Clark Kent before he's Superman.

We see Superman in him and he's on his way... but he's not perfect, yet.

I love that! :D

lillie_poo_pod
10-23-2008, 07:42 PM
An episode this season that I enjoyed. Clark was being a major ass tonight, but other than that, I thought this was a good episode. It was nice to see the Smallville that I've been watching since 8th grade.

I loved Chloe in this episode. The Chlark tension was great. I'm so glad Chloe called Clark on his crap, even though the killer was one of the kids from Isis. Speaking of which, this is the second time someone that Chloe has tried to help was involved in a crime. I don't think this whole Isis thing is meant for her. It's not going well and she needs to go back to reporting asap.

Glad that Clark was being proactive with helping people, but he needs to listen to MM and not be careless about it. He identity is at stake. Also, I didn't like him going behind Chloe's back with those names. That was just wrong.

Davis may be a killer, but I am enjoying his character. And Sam is doing a great job with him. I loved the Davis and Chloe scenes, but I am glad that Chloe is realizing that being around him may complicate things and is backing away from him a bit. Although, I don't want it. =(

Jimmy didn't grate tonight, which is good. And I'm so glad that MM is in Metropolis. I was so happy everytime Phil was on screen. I love him. And his reaction to Jimmy at the DP was hilarious!

This is what I've been waiting for this season.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:43 PM
Not sure if I see it that way since I've never seen anything like that on the show. And from tonight's episode, I actually see that she's rather good at the DP and working with Clark. ;)

Clark and Chloe made a great team tonight, as always! And did anyone notice that it seemed like Clark was being a hacker tonight? LOL. EVERYONE knows how to hack noawadays.:rotfl:

Well, once you let Lana through the door, you had to know everyone and their sister would follow. :p

I think we'll have to just disagree about the reporting thing because, my joke aside, this isn't the thread for that discussion. :)

Carolina87
10-23-2008, 07:43 PM
I though this was a great episode and im excited to see continuity in this season.

So far all the episodes have been transitioning smoothly from one to another and im loving it :) they even went as far as saying that Lois was at some special story coverage blah blah ... even though i missed her in this episode im glad Clark gave her a shout out.

Davis is def a hottie but its kind of sad to think that he will turn out to be the bad guy.

Arwenstar
10-23-2008, 07:43 PM
I always thought it needed to be about Clark Kent becoming Superman.
.

Yes, exactly! I love that the episode in which I see Clark acting MOST like Superman is where Chloe is so heavily involved; I think she brings out the hero in him. :)

mrw66855
10-23-2008, 07:43 PM
Terrible...just another FOTW ep...and completely misleading.
That was the point. In fact, I think I like it better, because it was misleading. I thought the same thing. Just another meteor freak episode would have been boring, but they make you think that and then surprised you with the fact that Davis is committing some murders. Perfect, really superb, and it is setting up for a Justice league verse league of doom confrontation, which I cannot wait to watch. This was perfect, really perfect Clark, acting like Superman, overstepping his bounds a little bit. But then, learning his lesson and realizing he was somewhat wrong. This episode also set up the next perfectly. Everybody did a great job, acting, directing and writing. I especially liked the Jon Jones scenes. It makes perfect sense that he would be a cop it serves both his functions, to help people and to to protect Clark. I agree, the super speed was overused a bit. However, that is the only ability Clark can really use without people seen his face so it is okay, because it makes perfect sense. John Jones as a mentor and not telling them what to do with giving him advice was perfect. Also. The writing on this fit the characters really well and bravo to the writers of hundred times over. Everybody hit the ball, Not only out of the park, but all the way to krypton. Every character, every scene and every line was perfect, perfect, perfect and also amazing. Superman is orbiting the Earth, and has almost landed. And I just have to say one more time that this episode was perfect.
I give a 10+ + + I cannot wait for next week and the review fromCedric (fallen one) of this episode and others. Just a side note I said perfect 11 times in this one post. Just my opinions.

colibri
10-23-2008, 07:44 PM
I think that this was about Clark learning that he can't save everyone and that - if he's not careful - his need to save everyone will blind him to everything & take over his whole life... so he's not even a healthy, functioning, person anymore.

Meaning: He can't be Superman ALL the time... he must take time to just be Clark Kent.

I think that next week's episode will focus on the need for a dual identity & seperating out his two personas.

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And that's how it should be, right? That's what keeps this show a story about Clark Kent before he's Superman.

We see Superman in him and he's on his way... but he's not perfect, yet.

I love that! :D

Maybe this is what I was seeing as out of character. Suddenly, he's this obsessed hero who's ethics have gone down the drain completely? I'm not sure about this. Maybe it's like you said growing pains.

Anyway, Doomsday was great.:D

SalvadorianGirl
10-23-2008, 07:46 PM
Smallville needs to be about two men vying for Chloe's love?

Oookkkaay... I always thought it needed to be about Clark Kent becoming Superman.

*shrug*

To each their own.


That's not really what I meant.

The this is what SV needs to be about was more about churing out great character, plot moving, organic storytelling. Not episodes in which stuff doesn't make sense and just happen because they have to. Not because they've gotten there through proper development.

But I won't lie. More Chlark/Chloom is all this show really needs. :lol

eas
10-23-2008, 07:49 PM
As great as Lois has been in most episodes this season, I don't see what she could've done tonight. She would've barely fit in the episode except maybe talking to Chloe about her feelings for Davis or something...

Agreed. And, to take it one step further, I think she was needed to be "away" because there was no way Clark could has sunk into his obsession and massively OD'd on saving people if Lois was around.

That was the whole point -- that the fact that Lois was gone, Chloe was shutting him out, and Ollie & Co. were 'incognito' was leading to Clark having super-saving binges. LOL... along with many super-size fast food meals.

If Lois had been around, it would have been impossible to explore this story, because he'd be dodging her and she'd constantly be in his way. LOL... ah, another reason to love Lois. She keeps Clark from getting fat and obsessed. LOL


I remember the spoilers from the beginning of the season said that it'd be a Clark/Lois/Davis triangle. :lol: But this seems soo much more better. :D

You mean, Davis/Chloe/Jimmy?

Yeah, I'm glad that Lois isn't in a relationship with Doomsday. Superman's future wife flirting with the man who is going to kill her husband? No thanks.

I'd be even happier if CHLOE wasn't in a relationship with him, either. That's kind of messed up, too. Don't get me wrong. I think Chlavis is HOT... I just also think it's wrong. Chloe is engaged. Not cool.


I agree. He just seemed to have more "feeling" in his pep talks with Clark compared to when Chloe did it last season IMO.

I think it's the father figure thing. Chloe, even though she tried, was no Martha or Jonathan.

OliviaB
10-23-2008, 07:50 PM
The this is what SV needs to be about was more about churing out great character, plot moving, organic storytelling. Not episodes in which stuff doesn't make sense and just happen because they have to. Not because they've gotten there through proper development.

But I won't lie. More Chlark/Chloom is all this show really needs. :lol

Nicely put, I agree. This episode made sense, whereas most others thus far this season things happen for no reason other than they have to. It's like no one bothers about character and plot development and they sort of slap things together, see Committed as an example.

I think the Chlark/Chloom just proved itself the show's strongest asset.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:51 PM
That's not really what I meant.

The this is what SV needs to be about was more about churing out great character, plot moving, organic storytelling. Not episodes in which stuff doesn't make sense and just happen because they have to. Not because they've gotten there through proper development.

But I won't lie. More Chlark/Chloom is all this show really needs. :lol

Yes, and I think that every episode this season has given us this. Each character has grown from "Odyssey" to this one. This episode is no outlier, in my opinion, but just another in a series of great episodes.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:51 PM
And that's how it should be, right? That's what keeps this show a story about Clark Kent before he's Superman.

We see Superman in him and he's on his way... but he's not perfect, yet.

I love that! :D

I suppose you're right. :lol: I've just been greedy lately, with Clark's attitude being all Supermanly for the first 5 episodes of this season, that I was a little put off by the fact that I felt he was slightly less so tonight. I'll assume it was intentional - as you say, he's still learning how to be Superman - and not just them writing him to be an @$$ without realizing that's what they were doing.

Still...I'm loving that he's made so much progress towards being Superman this season! I've had 5 episodes where I have had absolutely no complaints about his attitude; I can cut him slack on this episode where I thought he was a bit of a jerk at times. As you say, he's learning...and he was under quite a bit of pressure tonight, what with the killings and all.

So I see your point, eas, but I'm hoping Clark is back to being Supermanly in attitude next week. I like his assertiveness, but he was a bit of a jerk at times and I appreciate him more when that's not happening.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:52 PM
Yes, exactly! I love that the episode in which I see Clark acting MOST like Superman is where Chloe is so heavily involved; I think she brings out the hero in him. :)

He's been acting like Superman this whole season... I think it's Clark who has been bringing it out in himself. He was 100% Superman in last week's episode... and he barely even saw Chloe.

OliviaB
10-23-2008, 07:52 PM
Yes, exactly! I love that the episode in which I see Clark acting MOST like Superman is where Chloe is so heavily involved; I think she brings out the hero in him. :)

Yeah, she so does bring out the hero in him. I want more of that old goodness back, and with Davis, it adds more depth to their relationship.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 07:55 PM
That was the whole point -- that the fact that Lois was gone, Chloe was shutting him out, and Ollie & Co. were 'incognito' was leading to Clark having super-saving binges. LOL... along with many super-size fast food meals.

Though he was a bit obsessed even BEFORE that. At the beginning, Chloe mentioned she'd come for a movie night and then he sat there and pretty much ignored her as he listened to the scanner. I could see that happening AFTER he came across that crime scene because I could see how a scene like that would make him obsess. But he was doing it before hand. And while I'm all for Clark listening for people who need help, he usually can manage it without being like, "I'm sorry. You're...here?" But, as you say, he isn't quite there yet. And, luckily, Chloe didn't seem to take offense though she certainly recognized that she did not have his attention.


Yeah, I'm glad that Lois isn't in a relationship with Doomsday. Superman's future wife flirting with the man who is going to kill her husband? No thanks.

I agree. But I am concerned for Chloe. This is not going to end up well for her. Plus, as you pointed out, the engagement.

mrw66855
10-23-2008, 07:57 PM
I suppose you're right. :lol: I've just been greedy lately, with Clark's attitude being all Supermanly for the first 5 episodes of this season, that I was a little put off by the fact that I felt he was slightly less so tonight. I'll assume it was intentional - as you say, he's still learning how to be Superman - and not just them writing him to be an @$$ without realizing that's what they were doing.

Still...I'm loving that he's made so much progress towards being Superman this season! I've had 5 episodes where I have had absolutely no complaints about his attitude; I can cut him slack on this episode where I thought he was a bit of a jerk at times. As you say, he's learning...and he was under quite a bit of pressure tonight, what with the killings and all.

So I see your point, eas, but I'm hoping Clark is back to being Supermanly in attitude next week. I like his assertiveness, but he was a bit of a jerk at times and I appreciate him more when that's not happening.

I agree as I said, in my supposed previous post up above everybody did a great job tonight and they hit the ball, Not only out of the park, but all the way to krypton.

eas
10-23-2008, 07:57 PM
I suppose you're right. :lol: I've just been greedy lately, with Clark's attitude being all Supermanly for the first 5 episodes of this season, that I was a little put off by the fact that I felt he was slightly less so tonight. I'll assume it was intentional - as you say, he's still learning how to be Superman - and not just them writing him to be an @$$ without realizing that's what they were doing.

Still...I'm loving that he's made so much progress towards being Superman this season! I've had 5 episodes where I have had absolutely no complaints about his attitude; I can cut him slack on this episode where I thought he was a bit of a jerk at times. As you say, he's learning...and he was under quite a bit of pressure tonight, what with the killings and all.

So I see your point, eas, but I'm hoping Clark is back to being Supermanly in attitude next week. I like his assertiveness, but he was a bit of a jerk at times and I appreciate him more when that's not happening.

What's wrong with him being a jerk? And I wouldn't say that this is the first time he's been a jerk this season, either.

One of the things I love about Clark this season is that he screws up... but learns at the end of the episode. He wasn't a jerk to Chloe... he was right in his own way. She was right in hers.... but when he realized he crossed the line, he apologized for that. But not for anything else. He still believed that what he did was ethically justified and there were good reasons for him doing what he did.

What a contrast to earlier Clark Kent! Before, he'd just feel like the whole thing was his fault and he'd apologize until kingdom come.

He's learning... he hasn't donned the cape, yet, and let's not expect a man who is just starting out as a super-hero to have the wisdom of a man who has been Superman for years... the day will come when he can deal with these issues without any hesitation or conflict... but that day isn't here, yet, and nor do we want it to be. Nor do we want to judge him against a yard-stick that he's not ready to be measured against, yet.

For a guy who just started out with the dual identity/saving the world thing? He's doing a great job. :)

loistickyfingerz
10-23-2008, 07:57 PM
Good superman episode. I missed Lois. I enjoyed the episode for the most part. The special effects with the shadow man were really good, I thought. The beginning was weak, but other than that I thought it was fairly enjoyable.

eas
10-23-2008, 08:02 PM
Though he was a bit obsessed even BEFORE that. At the beginning, Chloe mentioned she'd come for a movie night and then he sat there and pretty much ignored her as he listened to the scanner. I could see that happening AFTER he came across that crime scene because I could see how a scene like that would make him obsess. But he was doing it before hand. And while I'm all for Clark listening for people who need help, he usually can manage it without being like, "I'm sorry. You're...here?" But, as you say, he isn't quite there yet. And, luckily, Chloe didn't seem to take offense though she certainly recognized that she did not have his attention.

Well, to be honest, that's not the first time ever he's completely ignored Chloe, has he? Clark does have a tendency to zone out Chloe when he's involved in something. It used to be that his focus was Lana and now it's saving the world. Thank God he changed his priorities there.

Yes, and I think the reason he managed to get that bad (completely obsessed and chained to his desk) was because Lois wasn't there. If she'd been there, he'd have to take breaks & stuff by virtue of the fact that she doesn't know his secret. With her gone, he got into the zone and forgot to get out of it.

It's another example, really, of how Lois Lane is his link to his humanity. She's what gets him to be Clark Kent, and not just Superman. ;)


I agree. But I am concerned for Chloe. This is not going to end up well for her. Plus, as you pointed out, the engagement.

She possessed by Brianiac, attracted to Doomsday, and engaged to Jimmy Olsen. How can that bode well for her???

Of course, that's kind of why her arc is so fun to watch, though... almost ANYTHING can happen... and she's doing so much more than exposition now. Before, she didn't have her own arc and her scenes were getting a bit tedious... now it's great... I find that I'm intrigued by her and trying to figure out how much is her and how much is Brainiac.... she's getting a bit WEIRD and I'm kind of loving it.

colibri
10-23-2008, 08:02 PM
Agreed. And, to take it one step further, I think she was needed to be "away" because there was no way Clark could has sunk into his obsession and massively OD'd on saving people if Lois was around.

That was the whole point -- that the fact that Lois was gone, Chloe was shutting him out, and Ollie & Co. were 'incognito' was leading to Clark having super-saving binges. LOL... along with many super-size fast food meals.

If Lois had been around, it would have been impossible to explore this story, because he'd be dodging her and she'd constantly be in his way. LOL... ah, another reason to love Lois. She keeps Clark from getting fat and obsessed. LOL


I guess this makes me feel better that someone feels that Clark was being written this way intentionally. To me he seemed off but we'll see how it continues to play.

Sue Denim
10-23-2008, 08:04 PM
I gave it 6/10 myself because there are a few lightswitches that concern me.

Clark suddenly becoming the "Good Samaritan" really came from no where. It's soften by the fact that, yes, he is indeed Superman, but I would have like seeing more reason behind it.

Chloe seemed weird but I think that was Brainiac.

I enjoyed the Chlark tensions.

But the surprise of the night is really Phil Morris and Martian Manhunter. I liked how he's now a detective J'onn J'onz and I hope this means he becomes more than a fairy godmother for Clark.

And Sam--are you reading this? You are way too talented for this show. You and Alison knocked my socks off with your chemistry and with the emotion you put out.

This was a very enjoyable episode.

eas
10-23-2008, 08:04 PM
Good superman episode. I missed Lois. I enjoyed the episode for the most part. The special effects with the shadow man were really good, I thought. The beginning was weak, but other than that I thought it was fairly enjoyable.

Yeah, I missed Lois, too. I understand why she couldn't be in this episode... but if they had Durance in all episodes (like it should be, PS3!) then they could have had her in the beginning and the end.

Tatiana
10-23-2008, 08:06 PM
I gave it a 9, liked it a lot. I missed seeing Lois though hehe, but I loved how CLark acted, even the fact he apologized to Chloe to freaking out. Davis was scary and sad at the same time, almost felt sorry for him but can't forget he will become a monster, hot shower scene as well :) he was pretty scary when he was talking to Clark at the hospital. Jimmy was very good too, loved the scene with him and Clark working together, gave me goosebumps, Chloe was great...i felt scared for her when she was alone with Davis, same with Jimmy...I thought he was going to hurt Jimmy. Also, great for continuity we keep seeing Tess getting all these meteor freaks creating an army, she is definitely following Lex's footsteps, or worse...can't wait for next week's episode, looks very good as well.

Oh! and loved seeing MM, so cool how they made him a cop and how he told Clark to be more careful, hehe I loved when Jimmy said he would find out who the hero was, and then they show Clark behind him. Also, I have to say the cinematography was pretty awesome, especially during that scene where Clark finds the meteor freak, it was all like black and white and he stands out with his red and blue colors, red is always used in movies to bring out the emotion of a scene, like in the sixth sense. Metropolis also looked very cartoonish, very cool

kryptonian13
10-23-2008, 08:07 PM
i think that it was a really good epi. i loved that clark was acting so much like superman (wanting to save people), but i sort of did miss lois although i do understand why she just wouldn't fit in this episode. anyway i think this was a very good episode.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 08:08 PM
What's wrong with him being a jerk? And I wouldn't say that this is the first time he's been a jerk this season, either.

One of the things I love about Clark this season is that he screws up... but learns at the end of the episode. He wasn't a jerk to Chloe... he was right in his own way. She was right in hers.... but when he realized he crossed the line, he apologized for that. But not for anything else. He still believed that what he did was ethically justified and there were good reasons for him doing what he did.

What a contrast to earlier Clark Kent! Before, he'd just feel like the whole thing was his fault and he'd apologize until kingdom come.

No, and I appreciated that at the end he and Chloe hashed it out. I mentioned in one thread that I was having a problem because I could see that they were both right and they were both wrong.

I had less of a problem with the fact that he and Chloe didn't see eye to eye on the MF issue - as I said, I could see both sides of that. There were, however, other points...

Somehow, when he came to her at ISIS and she suggested he join her group, his comment back to her grated on me a bit. Now, don't get me wrong. I was frankly shocked that Chloe ask him to join the group - particularly since (if I saw correctly) there was someone else in the room at the time (I'm pretty sure I saw someone pass by in the background). But, still, his "If I wanted to sit around and sing Kumbayah, I'd..." I don't remember his exact line, but it made me wince a bit.

I think that was my problem with Clark this week. It wasn't a huge one, but it did make me scowl a couple of times. I recognized that he was focused, obsessing over these crimes. But given that he was ignoring Chloe in that first scene, I didn't get this...hm...how to put it.

If they had him joking around with Chloe in the first scene, with one ear on the scanner, and then he heard the report, raced off, and the ISIS scene followed, it'd sit a bit better with me, I think. Because then it would be clear that he was taking this particular case hard. As it was, he ignored Chloe in the beginning and then, the next time he saw her (I think) he made a comment that rather brushed off the work she was doing. Granted, he had a lot on his mind, and granted, I could see him being surprised that she asked. But without that shift in his attitude after hearing the call, it wasn't (to me) like he had come across a scene so horrific that he was obsessing over it. He was all of a sudden obsessing over helping people to the point where he was ignoring his friends and brushing them off to do it.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE that he was listening for people to help. I LOVE that he went out and tried to help them. And I LOVE that he's being more proactive in general. I also have no problem with the idea that there will be things he will see that he will obsess over. I just thought his all consuming obsession with doing so would have come after seeing the crime scene as, to this point, he's been a bit better about doing his job without paying about as much attention to the people around him as he would a house plant.


He's learning... he hasn't donned the cape, yet, and let's not expect a man who is just starting out as a super-hero to have the wisdom of a man who has been Superman for years... the day will come when he can deal with these issues without any hesitation or conflict... but that day isn't here, yet, and nor do we want it to be. Nor do we want to judge him against a yard-stick that he's not ready to be measured against, yet.

For a guy who just started out with the dual identity/saving the world thing? He's doing a great job. :)

I think overall he is. :lol: Trust me, this episode didn't kill the season for me! I just felt, watching the show, that they had gone a bit too far with it for me. That was a personal preference, and I don't think it was all throughout the episode. In fact, after the crime scene, I thought his attitude made sense. It was the fact that it started before going to that scene to find the carnage that kind of dimmed the enjoyment for me.

Overall, I enjoyed it, and I'm loving the new Clark in general. That was just a small problem I had with the episode.

But we can agree to disagree on this, eas. After all, as you said once, if we didn't, people might think we were the same person. ;)

eas
10-23-2008, 08:10 PM
I guess this makes me feel better that someone feels that Clark was being written this way intentionally. To me he seemed off but we'll see how it continues to play.

Oh yeah, I absolutely think he was written this way on purpose. Look, it makes sense, doesn't it?

Every hero goes through this period... the period where he can juggle being a hero and a man, at the same time. Batman, Spiderman, etc... Every person they save is great, but they're always haunted by the people they couldn't save. So, what happens? They become obsessed and their super-hero lives completely over-take their whole life.

I think this is something we don't often associate as being a problem with Superman, because we meet him at a time in his life when he's already established his dual personas & he seems to juggle to the parts of his life fairly easily. (It helps that he's so super-powered that folks can't keep up with him.)

But this Clark Kent? He's been more human than super-hero his whole life... this is the first time he's pro-actively going out and embracing his super-hero side & it's bound to have the same affect on him as it does on his mortal counterparts (Batman, etc.). He'll have a period of conflict where he's trying to find balance in his life and failing.

That's what I thought this episode was about, anyway. And I love that!! I mean, folks about lightswitches, right? This episode was the anti-lightswitch... it was an episode DEVOTED to how hard it is to be a normal person and a super-hero at the same time. Even a man as powerful as Superman still has to face these issues and figure out how to deal with it.

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 08:11 PM
Well, to be honest, that's not the first time ever he's completely ignored Chloe, has he? Clark does have a tendency to zone out Chloe when he's involved in something. It used to be that his focus was Lana and now it's saving the world. Thank God he changed his priorities there.

:lol: True. But, at the same time...my phone rang at the beginning of the episode (my boyfriend clearly WANTS me to kill him slowly) so maybe I misheard, but it didn't seem like Chloe had just stopped by on a whim and Clark was involved in something when she showed up. I thought this was something they'd arranged, that they would meet and hang out for the evening.

Having been blown off like Chloe was here before myself, it just made me feel awful for her. :(

But if I misunderstood and she just stopped by to find him already working, I could see it. I'm just a girl that generally feels that when you make plans with someone, you try to live up to them. So if Clark had made plans with Chloe that night, he shouldn't have been totally ignoring her in favor of his little black box, you know?

xrayvision
10-23-2008, 08:14 PM
I would have liked Clark to use more of his Superman powers, and less Flash-like power.

Other than lifting off the broken concrete chunks and one super-vision all he used was superspeed.

I think the main reason for that is the crappy budget. I loved this episode despite the budget. I liked Clark's actions in this episode and the interaction he had with Jimmy, MM, Davis, and Chloe. The heroic actions were the best. I just wish they showed him doing all that stuff.

eas
10-23-2008, 08:17 PM
Somehow, when he came to her at ISIS and she suggested he join her group, his comment back to her grated on me a bit. Now, don't get me wrong. I was frankly shocked that Chloe ask him to join the group - particularly since (if I saw correctly) there was someone else in the room at the time (I'm pretty sure I saw someone pass by in the background). But, still, his "If I wanted to sit around and sing Kumbayah, I'd..." I don't remember his exact line, but it made me wince a bit.

LOL... I thought it was odd, true, but that was the point. One of the major - consistent - things about Clark has been that he doesn't think that MFs are redeemable.... It's odd, but he has put away enough of them over the years to think that it's not a good chance that "being A-OK" is going to be the outcome.

I think the came around, at the end of the episode, and understood - for the first time - that Chloe was doing valuable work and what it meant.

Who Clark was at the beginning of this episode was not the same Clark at the end. He learned... he was humbled, in some ways, but not torn down.

THAT'S what made it okay for him to screw up.

And, he was snarky (I do think Lois is rubbing off on him) and Chloe called him on it. Immediately. Good for her.


I think that was my problem with Clark this week. It wasn't a huge one, but it did make me scowl a couple of times. I recognized that he was focused, obsessing over these crimes. But given that he was ignoring Chloe in that first scene, I didn't get this...hm...how to put it.

I had no problem with him ignoring Chloe. It spoke to a larger picture... he's been burying himself in his work. It was Chloe who asked HIM to dinner... not the other way around. He would have been content just being Superman. Superman, in short, was taking over Clark Kent.

He's in the process of figuring out that it can't work that way.


But we can agree to disagree on this, eas. After all, as you said once, if we didn't, people might think we were the same person. ;)

Yes, I think it is good for us to disagree from time to time. It helps, though, that we have completely different avis now. Remember when our avis were similar? I think we screwed with peoples' minds! LOL

BadToad
10-23-2008, 08:20 PM
I thought this episode had a lot of good ideas, and right intentions, but I wasn't 100% enamored of the execution. For me, the script was very underwritten. I counted several times where characters just seemed to stare at each other for oddly long periods of time, without necessary dialogue. And there were several scenes where I thought the director made some wrong choices. I mean, yes, I realize Tom Welling is the most beautiful man on the planet, but we don't need to camera practically up his nose. Or anyone else either.

I really did love how proactive and determined Clark was. And I think the episode did bring up a very interesting point...how far is Clark supposed to go? how justified is he if he's trying to save people? at what point is he supposed to trust his gut, even over a friends objections?

Because the bottom line here is that CLARK WAS RIGHT! Not only about one of Chloe's "kids" being involved (and how naive was Chloe being?) but also about Davis. Clark was 2-for-2, Chloe was batting zero. But the episode raises the question over what means Clark should use to protect people. I admit, its something of a hard question to answer.

I can't for the life of me figure out why Chloe thinks she's qualified to counsel the meteor-inflicted.

Also, I don't much appreciate the retcon that suggests that Clark never helped anyone meteor infected people, or never saw them as people. Thats just not so, and I felt a little as though Clark's past compassion was diminished to make Chloe's new found compassion towards the meteor inflicted resonate more.

Also, I didn't much appreciate some of Chloe's comments towards Clark. Be mad, thats fine. Low blows about him being too cowardly to come forward suck, and wreak of Lana tactics, IMO

I thought SW and AA both did a fine job tonight, though Jimmy Olson-roving reporter still seems so odd to me. I guess I always thought of Jimmy as more a sidekick then being out there trying to break his own stories.

I thought both TW and AM were a little hit-or-miss tonight. Though it is great to see the maturity of their relationship in that last scene they shared together. Clark coming by to apologize, and explain his actions, was great to see. But also because he didn't completely back away from his prior position. And Chloe also acknowledged where she was coming from. I guess I would've liked a bit more of an admission on her part that she was wrong about the blanket trust and protection of her "kids".

I did absolutly ADORE MM, and Phil Morris completely rocks it. I love him being a Metropolis detective. And I love his acting as counseler to Clark. IMO, he's the only character really suited for that role.

No EMT is out there driving an ambulance by himself, nor would they be the first ones on the scene without cops. That was just silly.

I'll be interested to rewatch, and see if I pick up other things, but for now, I give this one a 6.

Karafan1
10-23-2008, 08:22 PM
I loved the episode, I'm giving it a 10! Martian Manhunter as a cop is pretty good and I think Davis is figuring out there's something wrong with him..

pjack
10-23-2008, 08:25 PM
Terrible...just another FOTW ep...and completely misleading.

Umm, no.. I disagree. The episode was pretty good and they used the FOTW to through off suspicion of Davis. That was obvious, so no it wasn't just another FOTW and not misleading because he can't come out as DD and be known already in just 6 eppies into the season. C'mon.

Jory
10-23-2008, 08:30 PM
:lol: True. But, at the same time...my phone rang at the beginning of the episode (my boyfriend clearly WANTS me to kill him slowly) so maybe I misheard, but it didn't seem like Chloe had just stopped by on a whim and Clark was involved in something when she showed up. I thought this was something they'd arranged, that they would meet and hang out for the evening.

Having been blown off like Chloe was here before myself, it just made me feel awful for her. :(

But if I misunderstood and she just stopped by to find him already working, I could see it. I'm just a girl that generally feels that when you make plans with someone, you try to live up to them. So if Clark had made plans with Chloe that night, he shouldn't have been totally ignoring her in favor of his little black box, you know?


Well, TPTB are chipping away at the Chlark friendship now, so I think that's all there is. I think TPTB are going to end the Chlark friendship. Morons.

pjack
10-23-2008, 08:31 PM
No EMT is out there driving an ambulance by himself, nor would they be the first ones on the scene without cops. That was just silly.


Funny, I thought the same thing when they both were driving and stopped. No EMT drives an ambulance by himself. Very unlikely and there are usually at least 2.

superhippie2000
10-23-2008, 08:32 PM
i thought it was good. manhunter scenes were awesome. was hoping to see doomsday but oh well. glad he was doing part of the murders tho and it wasnt fully that kid. the smoke power looked pretty cool tho. i was kind of like ok if thats somehow doomsday why does he have green eyes lol. but ya im hoping we get to see more with doomsday in the future and stuff. also looking forward to seeing tess' group of super villians.

SalvadorianGirl
10-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Not only about one of Chloe's "kids" being involved (and how naive was Chloe being?)

Why is Chloe naive for believing it wasn't one of her kids? Why should Clark have automatically assumed it was a meteor freak and not some extratersial being that came to Earth?

What Clark did could be considered racial or ethnic profiling. He automatically saw the destruction and immediately said meteor freak all because a few members of that society give the rest a bad name.

Was he right in the end? Yes but the manner in which he went about it was wrong, wrong,wrong.

He wouldn't have apologized to Chloe if he hadn't seen the error of his ways.

SueB
10-23-2008, 08:34 PM
First episode I watched in real time (for the obvious reason).

If Clois is at hyperspeed, I gotta say Chloom went to ludicrous speed. Apparently it's the "darkness inside" bit, but it was awfully quick for Davis to just confess he thinks he's the murderer. I did think SW did a good job for the most part. It would appear he's had his SV "christening" with the shower scene. I feel bad for him but there is something creepy that is preventing my total support. And I think HE believes the shadow guy means he is not the killer. He thinks Chloe "saved him" by helping to figure out who did it. Denial, big time. I wonder how soon he realizes murders are still happening?

As for Chloe's response, when Davis first confessed at Isis, I thought she was dealing with Davis like he's a basket-case and just going to ignore that little declaration of attraction. It's not completely out of the realm for people to ignore passes and hope they go away. I think at the cafe table, she realized it could be a problem and immediately booked a hasty retreat. If she had said "I'm in love with Jimmy, I didn't mean to imply anything else" and THEN booked a retreat, it would have been better. Still, I think she was surprised by Davis confessing an attraction so quickly and gave an unguarded response. At least she got the hell out of Dodge right away and made it clear they shouldn't see each other. I don't think she encouraged him to pursue her so ... I'll give her a mmmkay, just stay away from him pass for this one. We can't all stop people from giving passes, it's how you handle them. It wasn't perfect but it wasn't encouragement.

Krypto handcuffs for a meteor freak? Really? Come on prop department -- you can do better. The "fun with kryptonite" science is getting a little out of hand. Some attempt at consistency... please.

And makeup? Tone down the lipstick on Davis .. I know you are trying to make him look pale face and slightly creepy but that is brighter red than my mother wore in the 50's.

The argument. Both looked bad and good at various points.

Clark: I think they went over the top trying to make Clark look "bad" and obsessed.
It was OOC for him to 1) blow off Chloe after she told him he was blowing her off --- a moment of attention then would have seemed more normal. 2) Immediately going for the sign-in list? Okay, first off, there is probably a better set of files if you are serious. Second, it was again an over-the-top action on his part. It was hard to disagree with Chloe on this one because he spent zero time explaining why THAT list was what he needed. A better answer would be "X characteristics, I need help finding the killer, I think it's an MF... how should we proceed". But again, I think they were trying to show he's a little overwhelmed so MM could give him the a little chat. 3) What's up with the immediate Davis hate? A tip from MM and he's all over Davis like judge and jury. I agree that Davis was pretty smooth with the answers and it made Clark look bad --- but again, I think it was intentional. Clark didn't have to look that bad -- they went over the top there IMO to show he was obsessed. The other option is that he's innately opposed to Davis like Chloiac is innately attracted.

Chloe: Some moments she sounded pretty logical but she came across as over trusting perhaps because she's looking for redemption.
1) I liked that she went out initially on a limb for Davis and set about attempting to prove he's innocent.
2) I liked that she immediately acknowledged Davis was likely the killer when faced with the blood test. It clearly is a sign of the wedge they are driving b/w Chlark that she didn't tell him about the blackouts and Davis' own concerns. Still, that probably put her over the edge to say "he's busted". IF she had tried to defend Davis then, then I would have cried Chloiac. Her self-depreciating humor was pretty good tonight and accurate.
3) She should have been more gracious with Clark in the "apology". Yes, he apologized, but she held back info about Davis and she has to figure out where the "trust" line is. "I'm too stubborn" was pretty weak. I think they were intentionally undermining the specialness of Chlark in Clark's mind because she is trusting strangers. The redemption rationale is a good angle but she and Clark should have talked about how they should deal with the situation in the future. It was left open ended for foreshadowing but it was still OOC for Chlark to leave that wedge hanging. The apology did NOT square away the underlying argument.

MM was great -- all the way around.

Jimmy is so much better without the Chimmy storyline. His use of the Chlavis friendship was pretty sorry.

I do like the Legion of whatever setup.

Really, the MF need a solution, Chloe is right about that. But just blindly trusting is not the answer. Neither is blindly investigating. They left this one unresolved. I hope they fix it because at this point, if you are an MF you:
1) die
2) go crazy and get sent to an abusive Belle Reeve (unless Ollie puts you in some secret protected place --- but that seems to be for the catatonic Moira)
3) get recruited to be a Tess Bad Guy
4) previously you may have been held captive in 33.1 --- that may return as an option but I think the legion thing is the replacement.

The series MADE these MF's rampant, they need a cleanup option that results in a good ending, not incarceration, death, or villainy.

lrog127
10-23-2008, 08:34 PM
where was lois cw had her listed as being in this episode. This was my least fav of this season. It was ok but not the WOW that last week was. Cyntalkz87

I agree. I thought I saw that there too. Hmmm...
Other than that, i loved this episode because #1 Jimmy was awsome! He does so much better without Chloe hanging on his arm. that relationship makes me a little queezy. I love both of the characters, but together..i don't know.
#2 Sam witwer is proving himself to be a great actor! I loved the "trying to be good"thing..mixed in with the "scary face" sometimes. he can be creepy. But so cool!
I really don't know how to explain it...okay, :)

Mr.Magic
10-23-2008, 08:35 PM
Boring A plot, nice B plot and cool character moments. 6/10

lrog127
10-23-2008, 08:37 PM
oh, yeah.. I loved SUPERMAN speeding around at the beginning, too! Epic -and soo exciting. :eek:

Saber
10-23-2008, 08:41 PM
I gave it a six, it left me indifferent towards it.
I felt like all the plots were floating on the surface but not really hitting home (no depth). It had some copycat stunts to some movie that recently came out, where the person was dragged from behind (been there, kinda seen that in a promo trailer)

It did have things I always wanted to see (a Clark that wanted to help unselfishly, a hint of the costume, a flying leap) but at this point it was a bit short lived without the seven seasons behind it with the background to hold it up (and yes I am referring to the light switch)

Despite that, it was a reasonable episode but not very memorable for me. I still look forward to next week.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 08:43 PM
Funny, I thought the same thing when they both were driving and stopped. No EMT drives an ambulance by himself. Very unlikely and there are usually at least 2.

That was something I noticed, unless it is the owner of an ambulance, or it is off duty, they are not allowed to either be alone or carry un-authorized passengers.

(At least in my state)

BadToad
10-23-2008, 08:46 PM
Chloe naive for believing it wasn't one of her kids? Why should Clark have automatically assumed it was a meteor freak and not some extratersial being that came to Earth?

Chloe was naive because her own experiances and her own research should have taught her that she can't trust blindly. And Clark needed to tick off the possibilities one by one, and someone meteor infected was a logical, and even likely, deduction. At least it was a good place to start to look for clues. Which, BTW, is also likely to be where the police would've started.


Clark did could be considered racial or ethnic profiling. He automatically saw the destruction and immediately said meteor freak all because a few members of that society give the rest a bad name.

People were being killed in such a way that it just being an ordinary human was unlikely. Even impossible. Clark used deductive reasoning to look into the most likely suspects. Again, this is what police do. You can attach negative connotations to it, but is it more important to catch killers, or be politically correct.

Also, Clark wasn't suggested that the members of the group be rounded up and tortured. He just wanted to look into them, to see if they knew anything, saw anything, etc. They had been questioned by police, not marched off to gulag.


Was he right in the end? Yes but the manner in which he went about it was wrong, wrong,wrong.

And he himself questioned his methods, and I think he'll be questioning himself often along his journey. As he should. But the reality is that Clark was trying to stop a vicious killer. Chloe seemed more interested in not having her judgement questioned.


He wouldn't have apologized to Chloe if he hadn't seen the error of his ways.

But he also stood his ground that Chloe was giving away her trust too easily, and I do think Chloe's attitude towards him stung, and continued to sting even at the end. JMHO

lrog127
10-23-2008, 08:46 PM
I thought this episode had a lot of good ideas, and right intentions, but I wasn't 100% enamored of the execution. For me, the script was very underwritten. I counted several times where characters just seemed to stare at each other for oddly long periods of time, without necessary dialogue. And there were several scenes where I thought the director made some wrong choices. I mean, yes, I realize Tom Welling is the most beautiful man on the planet, but we don't need to camera practically up his nose. Or anyone else either.

I really did love how proactive and determined Clark was. And I think the episode did bring up a very interesting point...how far is Clark supposed to go? how justified is he if he's trying to save people? at what point is he supposed to trust his gut, even over a friends objections?

Because the bottom line here is that CLARK WAS RIGHT! Not only about one of Chloe's "kids" being involved (and how naive was Chloe being?) but also about Davis. Clark was 2-for-2, Chloe was batting zero. But the episode raises the question over what means Clark should use to protect people. I admit, its something of a hard question to answer.



I liked what you had to say. Especially this point. I've seen a lot of people complain about what an jerk he was being, but he's not superman yet, you know. and there are some things that he needs to figure out before we see that persona come to a complete circle. How far is he supposed to go? Who is he supposed to believe and trust? He was the one who he the right instinct tonight and he was a little harsh with Chloe and his thought on Meteor Inf. Poeple, but when it comes down to it-he was right.
I think we will see a lot more character progression with him this season. LOVe it!;)

SnowBird
10-23-2008, 08:47 PM
I enjoyed this episode more than I thought I would. I like the mystery and solving part of the murders but leaving us knowing Doomsday is active and growing into the monster he becomes...Clark couldn't have been better. Tom is doing a great job this year protraying a grown up Clark. Enjoyed the super jump, speed reading and super speed, and the nod to the upcoming identity problem...Everyone did a fantastic acting job. The kid that was the shaddow was creepy and that isn't always easy for being good looking. This episode is opening up some great future plots. Smallville feels new this year and this episode makes number six towards a fantastic season. This episode gets a 9.

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 08:50 PM
First episode I watched in real time (for the obvious reason).

If Clois is at hyperspeed, I gotta say Chloom went to ludicrous speed.

Was that a reference to Space Balls?

I love that movie :lol:

dimeo782002
10-23-2008, 08:54 PM
Now this is a good episode ! Thank god no shippity ship ship sh!t !

This is the best episopde of season 8 IMO. It was all Clark in action being a superman ! No sappy moon faces and ship angst ! ALL Smallville episodes need to be like this one !

I even liked jimmy in this episode seeing him as a separate entity from Chloe and being at the planet working with Clark alitlle LOVED IT ! Now thats ICONIC ! Clark and Jimmy alsmost acting as friends as should be !

Clark was sesational and caring for humanity feeling he could not do enough. Th stuff with Chloe and Calrk was alittle edgey but im relieved because she did not choose Davis or anyone else over Clark she was doing what she felt anyone should do . Be faor and do not judge with out evidence and i think they played the whole disagreement maturely between two friends . I have no problem with the Chlark in this episodes ! it shows a real freindship when you can disagree and still be friends and be forgiving of eachother.

I loved the Chloe and Davis interaction . Chloe basically just admitted that she had feelings for someone other than Jimmy before . Not now ... i said before and i think davis Knows who ! Chloe's love for jimmy is different and she just admitted it !

Davis was awsome , i actually feel sorry for the guy he is a good person but has evil within him that he will not be able to stop .

MM was awsome loved seeing him and i loved his Lois comment it was funny and so true IMHO. The conversations between MM and Clark were great . The directing was great this episode was great . everyone was on the mark adn misssed nothing !

Im so relieved there were no more love and destiny love crap again * barfing * so tired of being beat in the head with iconic love and soulmates n( especially in a two week period and lie detector tests telling us stuff and horny alien women telling me who belongs togteher and 4 million people believeing it ) So glad there was none of that and add this all together and you have the best season 8 episode thus far .


This was a serious episode ... not about relationships ( except for a little Chlavis )

PS3 keep up episodes like this ! This one is the best and the only episode i have given a 10 to since apocolypse !!! I love Lois in apocolypse ( please write her like that in apociolypse ) or maybe it was Toms directing but Apocolypse is my favorite Lois episode .

anyway back on topic this episode is the best in season 8 ! i could keep odessy and prey and skip the episodes in between to be honest ! That should say something !

Wow i cannot stress how much i loved this episode ! This is the only one i have given a 10 to this season ! I LOVED EVERYTHING IM SO HAPPY ! FINALLY A GREAT EPISODE !

TWNik
10-23-2008, 08:58 PM
This is the first 10 of the season! The focus on Superman, not ridiculous lightswitches for EDLois.

Clark, Chloiac & Davis. MADE OF WIN!!

eas
10-23-2008, 09:00 PM
^^ LOL... I love your enthusiasm, Dimeo!! I'm glad you got to an episode you liked that much... I know the last few have been bumming you out.

I share your love for this episode... maybe not so much... LOL... but I enjoyed it. Clark was Superman, in a lot of ways, tonight & there was a lot of real conflict there.

SueB
10-23-2008, 09:06 PM
Was that a reference to Space Balls?

Of course!

Blue Orange NY
10-23-2008, 09:10 PM
Ok let's see, I think it was 8/10

I would have liked to see Lois in this episode at least a few mintues especially since last week. Chloe was great, the Clark/Chloe argument was nice, I haven't seen that in a while (perhaps never lol). Jimmy was great. The scene with DD and Clark at the hospital was tight, it was a nice little standoff, it was a "I'm watching you" type of moment (I thought) lol. Anyway I did have a few issues I thought thay should've had Green Arrow involved, they did say he was going to be a regular and so far I'm not feeling it. I would have liked to see him and Clark at least communicate a little with finding out what was up with the killings. They need to limit his flash scenes some, but it was cool to see him involve to a super hero status. I might be the only one but I did kind of feel let down that DD didn't atleast appear for a small second, I was hoping for a quick glimpse/tease rather then the Shadow cop out. I felt like season 7, episode when the previews made it seem like he was going to finally fly. I don't recall when's the next time we hear of DD's, anyone?

Now the question I have and I hope people can clear it up for me.....this team that they have mentioned a few times now, is it Legion of Doom? 2nd episode Tess said that they were building a team and now again so is it LOD? thanks people

lrog127
10-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Now the question I have and I hope people can clear it up for me.....this team that they have mentioned a few times now, is it Legion of Doom? 2nd episode Tess said that they were building a team and now again so is it LOD? thanks people

That's what I was thinking...

superpeon1
10-23-2008, 09:14 PM
Best.Episode.Ever. 11/10

Jade4813
10-23-2008, 09:15 PM
People were being killed in such a way that it just being an ordinary human was unlikely. Even impossible. Clark used deductive reasoning to look into the most likely suspects. Again, this is what police do. You can attach negative connotations to it, but is it more important to catch killers, or be politically correct.

Also, Clark wasn't suggested that the members of the group be rounded up and tortured. He just wanted to look into them, to see if they knew anything, saw anything, etc. They had been questioned by police, not marched off to gulag.

:lol: While I get your point, maybe it's my training but I find that I have to agree with SueB on one small point. If Clark had gone to Chloe and said, "This is what I found. These are the injuries. Do you know any MFs with powers that would have either caused these injuries or in some other way aided in the attacks?" I would have found it easier to stomach. Now, maybe he wouldn't have had all of them investigated if Chloe had been more cooperative, but she did have confidentiality to protect. Yes, this was probably the work of an MF, but 1) Chloe doesn't know every MF out there, and 2) a number of MFs could have powers (like growing pretty pretty flowers) that would in no way have possibly had anything to do with these attacks. Those people DID deserve to have their confidentiality protected.

IMO, Clark should have gone to Chloe first with what he knew and asked her to use a scalpel instead of a hatchet (been watching CNN too long) to pick out names of people that could have been involved. That would have been the best way to pursue the two separate ends that ARE both worth pursuing - tracking down the murderer (if it happened to be one of Chloe's kids) and protecting the privacy of those people who have abilities they didn't ask for (like Clark) that are in no way harmful to others (at least not for the wounds in question) who just want to live peaceful lives in perfect anonymity.

Clark was right this time, in that it was one of Chloe's kids. But he could just as easily have been wrong, and if he HAD been wrong, then all those kids were subjected to police investigation for nothing more than the fact that they were different. And it would be a long, long time, no doubt, before they ever asked for help with their abilities again, which could lead to some very serious consequences.


And he himself questioned his methods, and I think he'll be questioning himself often along his journey.

I'm glad he questioned his methods there because it's definitely a gray area. I just hope in the future he learns to juggle both of these very important aims.

lrog127
10-23-2008, 09:16 PM
Btw. I'm sortof digging the mm thing now. He's turning out to be a great support for Clark. I think someone said this before, but i miss some of the adult characters...
the mostly all dead or gone now. aww.

Blue Orange NY
10-23-2008, 09:19 PM
All I know is that if Shelby was in the episode she could have found the killer quicker,


so where the hell is Shelby, lol :D

lrog127
10-23-2008, 09:20 PM
All I know is that if Shelby was in the episode she could have found the killer quicker,


so where the hell is Shelby, lol :D

Shelby! I love that dog. :lol:

SueB
10-23-2008, 09:24 PM
IMO, Clark should have gone to Chloe first with what he knew and asked her to use a scalpel instead of a hatchet

Exactly. This is part of his "code of conduct" he needs to develop as Superman. I'll be sorely disappointed if all it amounts to is to show a wedge b/w the two. I hope they revisit this topic in the future and show they've worked it out. I don't need a lengthy dialog -- I'll even take a simple transitional phrase -- just something to show he takes seriously the concept of probable cause and bounded investigation. I don't mind that they showed it as an "immature" code at this point so long as they show he's developed from the experience.

xrayvision
10-23-2008, 09:24 PM
I had no problem with him ignoring Chloe. It spoke to a larger picture... he's been burying himself in his work. It was Chloe who asked HIM to dinner... not the other way around. He would have been content just being Superman. Superman, in short, was taking over Clark Kent.

Yeah. I tend to think of it like the way Superman leaves Lois when there is stuff to be done and when she wants to talk to him. He wants to dedicate himself to everyone.

ClarksGal
10-23-2008, 09:28 PM
What a great episode! MM was flawless. Clark Speed-reading!!! Oh please, oh please, PS3, have him start learning new languages and bust out in Spanish one of these days!!!

I loved that Clark was taking things a little too far, and maybe starting to figure out that he's going to put boundaries on how far he'll go to save people. I loved that when MM advised him to be careful about getting caught, that he actually listened to him and agreed to try to be more careful. It was nice to hear him actually listen to a piece of advice for once. :)

The Chlark fight was interesting. It's a bit OOC for Chloe to mistrust Clark like that, but I think AM might be making Chloe different to show that Brainiac has been affecting her, so I don't mind. I liked that they made up at the end...just the way two old friends who care deeply for each other should. I liked the way that Chloe handled the Davis situation...she acknowledged that she had chemistry with him, but then decided to stay away from each other. Bravo.

Lois wasn't in it, but I didn't miss her because there wasn't much place in the story for her anyway. I like this new non-jealous Jimmy. I hope we get to see more of him...I could actually see that guy being Clark's friend.

Davis...hm. I'm intrigued. He seemed like a really likeable guy. I'm very interested to see his story unravel.

My faith in this show rises every week. Next week, Identity, is one I have been looking forward to since I first read the spoilers on it. Every episode I have read about after that looks absolutely incredible. Even Bulletproof. ;) Thank you, PS3, for giving me my show back!!!! :)

jimmyolsenblues
10-23-2008, 09:40 PM
loved it , great writing, great suspense, loved it. a 10.

superpeon1
10-23-2008, 09:43 PM
WOOF I'm right here guys!

dimeo782002
10-23-2008, 09:50 PM
^^ LOL... I love your enthusiasm, Dimeo!! I'm glad you got to an episode you liked that much... I know the last few have been bumming you out.

I share your love for this episode... maybe not so much... LOL... but I enjoyed it. Clark was Superman, in a lot of ways, tonight & there was a lot of real conflict there.


Honestly im gonna have to watch it again cause i got so excited when he jumped on top of the building . that i really need to re watch the episode to get a more honest opinion i was just so blown away with superman lol ! * happy *

ShInE4YoU
10-23-2008, 09:51 PM
9/10. I liked this episode, but I felt it was kindda rushed.....I had to keep from blinking to not miss anything.....

Things I liked:

CLARK BEING PROACTIIVE!!!! he was finally acting like a super heroe...he's still testing the waters, but hes on his way......
Davis being so twisted and vunerable at the same time...I mean he cries at the idea of killing yet, keeps the dead girl's crusifix Yikes!!! good twist!!!
The recruiting of the "group"... I like where they're going with this.....
All of the actors were great this episode......

Things I disliked:

NO LOIS!!!!
Not enough info on Davis....I know they want to reveal a little bit at a time, but they could have given us just a lil more.....

Who
10-23-2008, 10:03 PM
My favorite of the season so far 10/10.

superspider02
10-23-2008, 10:06 PM
Well tonights episode i thought was pretty good. Plot was very good, and writing and acting was pretty good. It is very nice to see clark more proactive and out there saving the day. I thought the scenes with him saving folks around metropolis was very cool. Chloe's mentoring group was nice to see, and i hope they continue showing this for a few episodes. The tease in the begining was pretty cool, and at the end when we found out it wasnt actually davis killing in this episode but this shadow freak what an interesting twist on things.

I liked how clark did all the investigeting through out the episode also. Also Phil morris was great as john jones. How sweet was it they actually made him a metroplois detective like his cover has been in the comics. I hope we hear more about him being a cop between episodes 7-11 since we know we are not seeing him again to episode 12. Jimmy i thought was pretty good character and i liked his scenes with clark, davis, and john. It was very cool for them starting the whole jimmy after the "good samaritan" guy so next week it isnt out of the blue.

Cant wait for next week looks pretty sweet, promo was so cool. Only complaint i really have for the promo is it looks like they decided to cgi a cape onto ollie's cover hero look for clark, would have been nice if it wasnt cgi in. Though i hope the episode is good too.

Bre723
10-23-2008, 10:08 PM
I gave it an 8, it was good, but i think i expected a little more. I really wanted to see davis as doomsday, like in the trailer, that scene wasn't in the show.
i guess it just left me thinking...wait that can't be the end?
but maybe that's what they were trying to do.
i missed Lois too!haha.
and tess surprisingly.
i think that she's really growing on me.
ugh, i don't like her secretary or whatever she was though.
i was like "oh dang here comes Tess......................not".
<spoiler>next week looks good though, oliver to the rescue,haha.<spoiler></spoiler></spoiler>

svtwamedfan05
10-23-2008, 10:15 PM
I gave it a 9.

Really loved
Clark in Superman mode
Martian Manhunter
Davis
Jimmy

laces
10-23-2008, 10:29 PM
Tonight's episode was really good. I'm glad I decided to go ahead and watch it. It kept me guessing the whole episode about who the killer was and all of the character interactions were interesting. Everyone contributed to the plot and kept things moving forward.

Chloe and Clark actually talked to each other and spent more than a couple of minutes in each other's company. That was cool. I really missed that.

I love that Clark is getting out there and trying to help people. But I agree with MM, he does need to tone it down and think/plan ahead more. I know that's not really his style but it needs to be. If he's dead set against wearing a costume, he needs to take precautions so that anyone in Metropolis can figure out who he is.

Davis is interesting. I'm very interested to see where things go with his arc. He's so conflicted and torn.

Sam has great chemistry with Tom and Allison.

LightningFlash
10-23-2008, 10:33 PM
I expected a lot more with this episode.

And was hoping for a glimpse of Doomsday, instead we got another stupid meteor freak that Clark took care of...not by himself, but by a tire.

Brilliant.

But Supernatural was a good episode; so that made me a bit happy.

pjack
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
Was that a reference to Space Balls?

I love that movie :lol:

Oh no, "there goes planet"

kris10
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
I expected a lot more with this episode.

And was hoping for a glimpse of Doomsday, instead we got another stupid meteor freak that Clark took care of...not by himself, but by a tire.

Brilliant.

But Supernatural was a good episode; so that made me a bit happy.
Dean in Supernatural was hilarious when he screamed like a girl I LMAO!!

oh yea back to smallville....10! all of them brought their A game tonight. the Chlark fight was really good havent seen them go at it each other like that in a LONGGGGGG time and it was great. MM was awesome!


here something from space balls,

"What's the matter Colonel Sanders, chicken?"

But I gotta say as well Kudos for sam you are an awesome actor....
oh yea and Clark is really starting to become more SuperMannish(lack of a better word) LOL

Monica_O
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
This was an amazing episode, everything I love is here, everything I dislike is not there, I truly enjoyed it!!!!!!!!

To see Clark being true to himself and being a hero, Chloe rocking the world and being amazing, standing out for what she believes, the amazing triangle that is so hot btw Clark, Chloe and Davis, the Martian Manhunter.

Just wow, I'm happy tonight :) my Smallville is back!!!!!!!!!!

STFanatic
10-23-2008, 10:42 PM
At least his "Boney eyebrows" were mentioned.

adromidon
10-23-2008, 10:49 PM
I liked the episode but Doomsday has an alternate persona ? I mean in the comics he was just Doomsday Davis never existed

claudiss
10-23-2008, 11:28 PM
I usually don`t post here but omg i loved this episode....the intro (of Clark saving those people) was amazing!!! clark almost as superman ...wow... not doomsday as I expected but it was ok cuz I think we`ll get to see that later
I`m so happy with this episode...

I loved to see Chloe again at the DP, and about the argument , I missed the Chlark tension and it was understandable for both sides.
I loved Jimmy, I think I love him more when he`s not with Chloe and viceversa(they should not get married IMO), and Davis...oh Davis...will you marry me? I mean the actor...love him. and ...no Lois , no Tess , no Ollie and no Shelby!...I missed them all but the show is about clark so if he is in it is the only thing that matters.

everything MM related...great!

10 for me.
the trailer for next episode....wow!

Mad Madam Mimm
10-23-2008, 11:37 PM
I gave it an 8. I really enjoyed SW in this episode. Anyone who can bring out Doomsday's humanity and actually make you feel sorry for him is worth his acting salt. It will make it that much more shocking when the chips fall where they may. I thought Clark was a little wound up but I could see the reasoning (Lois not there to ground him and make him act "normal" and the learning curve thing). I just thought it was a tad intense for Clark. I LIKE seeing him act beyond the usual Clark emotions though, gives TW some room to have fun and I always enjoy that. I liked Jimmy and wish they would focus more on his career aspirations and less on his romantic ones. The fight btw Chloe and Clark was good - they held their ground with each other and gave yet another example of the maturation of their characters. There was a time when Chloe would have just yelled at Clark and gone off to sulk and delete photos from her computer! ;)

My gripe this time was a technical one. I had trouble actually figuring out what happened in the alley when Davis/Jimmy/Clark meet up with the meteor freak. Thank goodness for DVR or we would have been hopelessly lost. There was something in the cinematography there that was lacking for me. I am pretty good at following twists and turns in plots, and I sat there for a while going "HUH?" and rewinding over and over to figure it out. Maybe just me but they don't usually confound me like that.

Also, really really wishing Clark would be quicker to use his abilities. I'd really like to see him use them more frequently and with more variety. Please?

Enjoyed the episode a lot - would have easily given it a 9 but for the fuzzy scene in the alley. And I kept looking at the fast food wrappers on Clark's desk and wondering, "Who is feeding Shelby?" ;) hahaha!

Este
10-23-2008, 11:37 PM
Well, that's how I'd like Smallville to be every week.

10/10

ginnyfan
10-23-2008, 11:46 PM
10/10 and not just because I had fun. I had some fun but this episode was DARK.

This is the first real meat and potatoes episode of the season. The other episodes were wrapping up season 7 or setting up all the players and relationships for season 8. They were all great and my fave episode of the season so far is probably among them. But THIS EPISODE... let the game begin. *chortles*

CLARK KENT was amazing in this episode. He was too busy to hang out with Chloe (though I'm so glad he agreed to. Friend date <3 VERY COOL) because he was too busy WORKING. To busy being a hero. LOL! He ran around saving people and using his powers. Oh how I wished for this after the season five episode "Vengeance." He was OBSESSED with finding the serial killer. Not with Lana! *dances* Clark had so many fights with people. Not about Lana! But about saving people from this serial killer. He fought with Chloe. He fought with John Jones (MM). He fought with Davis. Oh Davis. I could go on all night (morning) so...

CHLOE SULLIVAN. No sidekick in SIGHT! Hooray. Though she did some hacking to find Davis... it didn't feel like side kicking. I loved that they connected Chloe's work at Isis to all the Meteor enhanced/infected people she's investigated over the years. PS3 rocks. I loved her friend date with Clark though I didn't love him ignoring her. It was for a good cause though so all is forgiven. I adored the "easy" chemistry that she has with Davis, though I didn't like the school teacher point Chloe made at one point. Besides that it was oh so lovely. And really... had a lot of depth. For the most part it was not at all soap opera. <3 I loved the way she stood up for her... Isis members against Clark. I loved how she confronted Clark. I loved that she was loyal to Jimmy in the end. :) I didn't want to love the "Fools Rush In" reference or the "romance" reference but I did. Yum. Wonderful job with Chloe in this episode.

LOIS LANE. I missed her. I giggled at her monster trucks "assignment". I'll bet she thought she'd gotten one over on Clark. I get a kick out of thinking that Lois was on the serial killer story first.

JIMMY OLSEN. Sidekicking for Clark Kent! And all is right with the world. Clark interrupted Jimmy working on a case of his own. Love that! There's a mysterious blur saving people around Metropolis. *claps hands* I didn't like that he dropped Chloe's name to get the story. BUT I do like seeing him THAT passionate about Journalism. Oh his scene at the end with John Jones was wonderful. SO Jimmy. I enjoyed Jimmy and Davis meeting one another. Jimmy in the episode was just classic. Aaron did a great job.

DAVIS BLOOM. This was his episode. Um I'll get the silly stuff out of the way first. SHOWER SCENE. Ok... no it's not out of my system. DAVIS HAD A VERY HOT SHOWER SCENE. Um... Ok. He was just amazing. Sam Witwer did such a wonderful job in this episode. I've already mentioned his scenes with Chloe. He's got this soft gentle voice that I'll call his Chloe voice. I love it. LOL! As rugged as his face is Davis has DOE EYES. He does. Mmm hmm. Doe eyes. And lovely lashes. Um... ok silly stuff finished.

My favorite thing about this episode was the way Davis mirrored Clark. Yes Davis has darkness within him not light. He loves Chloe romantically. But beyond that he's an orphan. He's going through a scary process of self discovery. The BEST scene in the episode was the confrontation between Clark and Davis. Oh I just want to watch it over and over again. Clark is suspicious of Davis who is suspicious of Clark. Wonderful. Then at the end when they both realize that they were wrong about each other... no words. The looks say it all. Oh... *gush gush gush*

MM was a nice surprise. He's without powers but still totally bad*ss. I really like that he's working for the Metropolis Police Department. He addresses how reckless Clark has been about saving people. Continuity... Nice.

Chimmy takes a blow. It's not news that Chloe fell for Clark and Davis much more quickly and easily than she fell for Jimmy. Chloe's love was hard won for Jimmy. But... Once again Chloe needs to consider this before she heads down the aisle. I'm glad Jimmy trusts Chloe. For now. *crosses fingers*

PS3 has done it again. Can't wait for the next episode. :D

Mini Wolfsbane
10-24-2008, 12:07 AM
It was good but it could've been better. I'm not sure how besides the fact that we were teased with Doomsday and it was all just to setup his story.

I'm going backwards with this one, because there's really something I have to vent about.

Bad:
Davis. Was. Crying. (Or almost crying. It was hard to tell for me.)
What?! Come oooon!

I'm not saying men shouldn't cry, but he was way too emotional for my taste.
It was probably meant to pull at my heartstrings, but it seemed like he was doing it too much. (I think he only did so twice, though.) IDK, it's like my mom used to say: Men make ugly cryers. (Except TW. He's the exception!)

Subplots. Oh, Jimmy, you're silly.:p
A bit annoying, but silly.

The episode went too fast.

I know I already said it, but there was no real sign of Doomsday.:( *sigh* Why must they tease us like that? I was expecting a big fight and there was nothing. Just a mild confrontation. Ugh.

No Lois?! Dangit, I was just getting to like her a bit and she's gone for an episode.
At a monster truck rally no less. (Not that I like monster trucks, just saying.)


Good:

Everything else. Plus MM is back. Woot!

Finally, MM called Clark on all the stupid crap he's been doing. No! You do not open up a bus in broad daylight! Sheesh!

Other:

I was so out of it tonight, in the opening scene I thought, 'What's Chloe doing in Anger Management?':rotfl:

Krypto_marcus
10-24-2008, 12:18 AM
I thought this episode was totally awesome!!! I enjoyed every minute of it, Season 8 is continuing to deliver, best season so far.

AgentChaos
10-24-2008, 01:18 AM
CHLOE SULLIVAN. No sidekick in SIGHT! Hooray.


JIMMY OLSEN. Sidekicking for Clark Kent! And all is right with the world.

:confused:I'm confused. Why is Jimmy being a sidekick for Clark a good thing, and Chloe being one a bad thing?

Black Panda
10-24-2008, 01:29 AM
Loved loved love this episode.

1. Chloiac is making more sense to me. Brainiac inches into more control when Chloe gets angry or uses computers. Brainiac tries to use little subtle pushes to keep Chloe and Clark from working together. He doesn't interfere with heart to hearts, he's more concerned with destroying the working partnership. Very interesting.

2. Loved seeing Clark go off the rails. I like how this has been building. The guy has lost his rock. Love that he feels driven to try to save the world, especially since he can't seem to solve the Chloe problem. Very reminicent of Sneeze.

3. Loved Davis. Very well played. Very creepy. Very much a dark mirror to Clark.

4. The suspense, the action, the pacing was all great.

5. Even while I saw Brainiac much more clearly, I still saw the glimpses of Chloe. I loved how she's so so therapy wise, but she jumped right into asking questions about investigating the murder. It was interesting how she called Clark on his crap, but you could still see the Brainiac mockery amping that up a notch.

D.M.A.
10-24-2008, 02:22 AM
Definitely a good epi,the best of the season so far imo.I enjoy when SV does dark epi's,it reminds me of s3 if done right.

I like the mini showdown between clark/davis and how davis attitude switched fast on clark.1 min he's nervous/scared lookin the next he looks confident while throwin clark's recent appearances back at him.

Luved the chlark tension,i think this was the best its been shown all season.The other times seemed alil force but i kno brainiac is controllin chloe,this fight tho was more real.I luv their apologies later on,how both list off their flaws lol.Alot of great moments in the epi

Jack-El49
10-24-2008, 03:55 AM
I gave it a 10. Actually, my score would have been 9.5 because there was no Lois in it. Everything else was absolutely great in my book.

elroyofkrypton
10-24-2008, 04:58 AM
I like the mysterious hero angle. And Martian Manhunter returns! As J'on Jones, just like in the comics. We need to get him his powers back real soon.

EllenF
10-24-2008, 04:58 AM
Awesome episode. It felt like the show was back to the Smallville I've known and loved for seven seasons. Great tragic villain, great Supermanly Clark (albeit with some issues, but understandable ones), great conflict between Clark and Chloe. And they've finally found a good place for John Jones, which is awesome. Very well done!

Super Maverick
10-24-2008, 05:31 AM
No Lois = 6

Chloe>All
10-24-2008, 06:01 AM
I don't know how to feel about this episode. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, either. It seems like it was just used to push the Davis story along. I went back and forth between rating a 5 or 6, but I went with 6 to give it the benefit of the doubt.

stenochick
10-24-2008, 06:10 AM
I thought this was a very solid episode.

I felt some of the air let out of my balloon because there were certain points in the episode that would have been amazing cliffhangers had I not already been made aware of Davis' arc.

This goes beyond spoilers, however. Davis' arc has been revealed since last spring all over the media. I don't know if there is anyone who is spoiler-free when it comes to his character and I felt that that took away a lot of the thrill and edge-of-your-seat-ness to the episode. Even my husband knew the deal with Davis and all he does is watch on Thursday nights. He figured it out just from the promos and trailers that the CW airs after the Smallville episode.

So, had I been able to be shocked by the events as they took place with all their twists and turns, especially the final shot of the rosary/crucifix in the windshield, I would have been screaming "O my God! That was great! 10!"

Other feelings I have about the episode. It felt really unfamiliar because we had all the action taking place in Metropolis and nothing in Smallville. Also, we only had four main characters: Clark, Chloe, Jimmy, Davis.

Chloe seemed OOC leading the small group session at ISIS. I was a social worker for a long time and felt that she was a natural and did a great job, but that is not the Chloe we have seen so far. That seemed very Lana to me. I could totally see Lana doing this kind of work and wish they had gone in that direction for her in season 7 instead of being evil and conflicted. Lana strikes me as a natural social worker. Chloe is an investigator and a truth-seeker. But, now that Chloe is there, I can handle it. She is very good at what she does (despite not getting a Masters in Social Work, but why even go there...)

I think where they have Chloe now with her ISIS work will fit well into the overall direction of her character and Smallville and in her relationship with Clark. I thought the conflict between the two over Chloe's ethical dilemma of breaking client confidentiality was great and it sets up a great arc for them this season: Clark as the vigilante against the criminals (which include many "krypto-perps" as Clark referred to them) and Chloe as their advocate.

I thought Clark seemed a little OOC in the beginning when he was so uptight about saving everybody but I had to remind myself that he is only 21 years old and he is dealing with loneliness since Lana left him and Chloe is cutting the apron strings. Lois and his new job have proved to be good distractions for him, but with Lois out of town, he has taken it upon himself to set up his one-man watchtower at his DP desk. I'm glad he has John Jones to confide in and get advice from.

I like the idea of Dectective John Jones, Metropolis PD. I hope we see more of Phil Morris. And Jimmy is determined to out the mysterious good Samaritan. I can't wait for next week!

ColdPlay3r
10-24-2008, 06:11 AM
meh it was aight

superpal1
10-24-2008, 06:46 AM
Gave the episode a ten. A lot of people seem to be giving it a low score, because it seemed like a filler episode to move Doomsday's story along. I gave it a higher rating because of that reason. I would really hate this season if all we got was Bloome running in and out of each episode with no real purpose to him being there to suddenly becoming Doomsday. The fact that they delved into his character, have Chloe on his side, have Clark be on the correct path to discovering who/what he is, only to have a second string freak take credit, thus making Clark/Chloe give him the benefit of the doubt is great. It will the make the appearance of him being Doomsday that much more surprising to them. Also, the special effects were great and Clark taking charge was awesome. JJ being back and having a role in things/mentor to Clark was good as well.

eas
10-24-2008, 07:07 AM
Chloe seemed OOC leading the small group session at ISIS. I was a social worker for a long time and felt that she was a natural and did a great job, but that is not the Chloe we have seen so far. That seemed very Lana to me. I could totally see Lana doing this kind of work and wish they had gone in that direction for her in season 7 instead of being evil and conflicted. Lana strikes me as a natural social worker. Chloe is an investigator and a truth-seeker. But, now that Chloe is there, I can handle it. She is very good at what she does (despite not getting a Masters in Social Work, but why even go there...)

I think that this has been the case ALL season, to tell you the truth. I feel like Chloe has taken over Lana's role of being an empathatic, sweet, and good-natured listener. I noticed that even in "Plastique" and commented on it. If KK had come back for S8, I think this is the arc they would have given her.

It is odd to see Chloe be so self-less, but - at the same time - we saw her pretty much give up her professional and personal life for Clark since S5. This seems like a natural way for her to react given the curve balls that life has thrown at her - first her issues with her mom, then her own healing powers, and - now - the Brainiac infection.

I'm interested to see where this all takes us with Chloe -- I have to say that I do enjoy this a lot more than her being merely exposition and sidekick to Clark.


I think where they have Chloe now with her ISIS work will fit well into the overall direction of her character and Smallville and in her relationship with Clark. I thought the conflict between the two over Chloe's ethical dilemma of breaking client confidentiality was great and it sets up a great arc for them this season: Clark as the vigilante against the criminals (which include many "krypto-perps" as Clark referred to them) and Chloe as their advocate.

I agree. I don't see black/white in this issue... I think both Chloe and Clark were right in their own ways. Even in the real world, racial profiling is a highly debated topic. And Superman does sort of have to constantly deal with these sorts of issues... I'm glad they're having Clark struggle with these sorts of things. I think we can all agree that it's much better to watch Clark deal with this kind of a problem, rather than just the, "Who will be my next girlfriend?" sort of a problem. ;)

lexs&os
10-24-2008, 07:14 AM
It was very good and nice to see a story that isn't about shoving ships but moving the story along and character development.

cma_454
10-24-2008, 07:37 AM
I completely disagree with the idea that Clark was wrong (or that both Clark and Chloe were wrong). Someone compared Clark’s suspicions to racial profiling, and I could not disagree more. This isn’t a case where Meteor Freaks might be slightly more likely than non-Meteor Freaks to go bad. It seems the vast majority of Meteor Freaks become evil Perhaps this is because power so often corrupts, and the major (IMHO) thing that makes Superman so special is that he isn’t corrupted by it.

Even Chloe admitted her failures in helping Meteor Freaks. Chloe has good intentions but as they say, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

I really didn’t like how Clark was apologizing to Chloe for violating her trust, while she blows off the fact that she was protecting a murderer. Then again, maybe that’s Brainiac’s influence.

margroks
10-24-2008, 07:40 AM
Finally! Chloe and Clark and that is always great.

ANd no EDL which makes any ep a better one. More of this is what Season Eight needs.

Timester
10-24-2008, 07:55 AM
The episode proved that PS3 nailed the concept of a pre-Superman show. If Smallville keeps going like, this will be the best season ever by far.

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And Superman does sort of have to constantly deal with these sorts of issues... I'm glad they're having Clark struggle with these sorts of things. I think we can all agree that it's much better to watch Clark deal with this kind of a problem, rather than just the, "Who will be my next girlfriend?" sort of a problem. ;)

Exactly. For example, Superman Red Son (yes, the book my avatar represents) clearly shows this, where he thought he was doing the greater good when became the dictator of Earth (except the US). Superman always walked a thin line between savior, hero and dictator. That's why he constantly struggle for the third option, the middle way.

Mary Sullivan
10-24-2008, 08:00 AM
This episode was great. The Chlark was great! :D

SupesComicFan
10-24-2008, 08:02 AM
Great episode. An 8.

The Clark saving people seemed a bit lightswitched, until I went over everything Clark has said this season so far, then it made sense. If you take it strictly from last week, it doesn't make much sense, but if you look at the season as a whole, everything becomes clear.

My favorite part of the episode was when my husband walked in from putting the baby to bed (he doesn't watch SV with me), looked at the TV, and said "this show is just close ups of her (Chloe) face, then?" :rotfl: Also, he said "who is that guy?" about Davis, and I told him Doomsday. Blank stare. Me: Do you know who Doomsday is? I was just talking about him the other day. Blank stare. Me: Guy who eventually kills Superman? Husband: So, that's a bad thing, then? :lol:

I thought the Chloe and Clark scenes were great. They fought a little, but both admitted to being wrong. I am not sure why she thinks things were "easy" with Clark, things were anything BUT easy for her falling for Clark. Maybe she meant it was easy TO fall for Clark, and I can give her that. I am glad there were no looks of pining between Chloe and Clark, I think the writers have told us that is going nowhere. Clark seemed like a bit of a jerk, but he feels the weight of the world on his shoulders, so I can cut him some slack.

Anyway, I loved Clark saving people and getting a little obsessed about it. The thing I need help with is this: What reason does Clark have, at this point, for having a regular life? He has no parents (usually the ones who keep him "grounded"), he has no girl, he has no friends besides Chloe (who knows his secret) and Lois, and, maybe Jimmy. What is to STOP him from being obsessed? I think this is one of the main questions of the episode. Why is MM concerned that Clark has a life? He needs to stay connected to humanity?

I am wondering if this is where Lois comes in.

RedKRules
10-24-2008, 08:04 AM
I gave 9 because Davis and Martian just rocked !!!! Finally an episode that I truly enjoyed :D

Guidron
10-24-2008, 08:06 AM
I gave it an 8. Very good, but for some reason while I was watching something felt lacking a little bit. I still really enjoyed the episode though. It could have been that my wife and baby were making a bit of a commotion so I was a little distracted :)

LionelLuthor
10-24-2008, 08:45 AM
I would have liked Clark to use more of his Superman powers, and less Flash-like power.

Other than lifting off the broken concrete chunks and one super-vision all he used was superspeed.

Can The Flash superjump? :rolleyes:

Loved the episode- very dark, and we saw some more of Metropolis for once.
Even the scene with Davis meeting Chloe at the end of the episode, it was nice seeing a new area and not the usual backlot.
Clark saving people was great.

A couple of niggles though.

1)Clark said "After 8 years of friendship" to Chloe, we know they've been friends for a lot longer than the show's been on air.
2)A bit of bad acting from the meteor freaks at the beginning of the episode.
3)The blatent rip off of the movie 'REC' when the girl got dragged into the darkness.

Also, was this the first episode ever not to show ANY of Smallville?

bor-el
10-24-2008, 08:58 AM
the best episode.

diinIN
10-24-2008, 09:06 AM
I'll just copy what I wrote on the CW site.

I liked this one! Clark starts off the show being the hero, just going around saving everybody (well, almost). I didn't really like his attitude, and he was pretty rude to Chloe with that remark about sitting around singing with those people, but he did apologize for his obsessiveness in the end. They are always quick to forgive each other, which is refreshing.

The Doomsday character is intriguing. Even as they had Lex come from an abusive background, so that you always had sympathy for him, now they have Doomsday come in as a hero, and apparently powerless to the dark struggle to which he will eventually succumb.

There is clearly an attraction between Doom and Chloe--what shall we call it--Chloom? I'm hoping something busts the whole Chimmy thing apart.

Speaking of Jimmy, he was much more tolerable this episode. No long, boring scenes with Chloe. He was awkward and obnoxious, which is really how I like him best, and as far away from Chloe as he can be, because their relationship puts me to sleep.

The scene where Clark jumps up to the top of the building looked much like he was flying. FLY, CLARK, FLY!!!

Last but certainly not least, I vote Phil Morris in as a series regular. He's awesome. Now that he's working as a cop in Metropolis, maybe we'll be seeing much more of him? Please?

Next week looks INTERESTING. Are they deceiving us, or was that Clark on the building in tights?! One can always hope!!!

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It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great, either. It seems like it was just used to push the Davis story along.

Can't say I agree, but even if it were true, would that really be so bad? He's a rather important figure in the Superman mythos.

jobookjunkie
10-24-2008, 09:11 AM
Hey everybody, this is my first ever post on here, even though I've been a fan of Smallville since series 1 and starting checking out Kryptonsite during season 7. But I laughed my head off that much reading all your posts about 'Committed' that I thought, man, I gotta join in. Anyways, here's what I thought of 'Prey'.

First off though, can I just say how jealous I am that you can all watch the show on normal tv when it actually airs, wheras I have to watch it on the internet and wait on it to come over this side of the Atlantic in 6 months time, usually on a channel we don't get and ALWAYS on at the same time as whatever sport my brothers are watching. On the other hand, emigrating to the US just for the show seems a little....extreme. Though if I put that on the visa application would they let me in?

Right, the episode. I loved this episode, the writing and dialogue is just so much better than season 7, and the characters are real. Clark and Chloe are mature, grown-up, adult....you get my meaning, and there's a lot less whining (again, season 7). Clark is now a fully-blown good samaritan, although apparently with no life either...is Shelby getting fed?

What made this episode really great was Martian Manhunter, now John Jones and a detective to boot. His scenes with Clark were priceless, I love that he called Lois 'mouthy'. Chloe's self-help group were fun but the threat of a Tess-run group of kids with meteor powers is worrying, especially to Clark, and also the setup of Davis as Doomsday is bubbling along nicely. Even Jimmy was nowhere near as annoying.

Criticisms? Chloe's complete acceptance of Davis without any doubts, and then the ambiguity over whether she has feelings for Davis or not. I mean, we've just had an episode based around the fact that she loves ONLY Jimmy, the guy she's marrying, and all of a sudden... Also, no Lois.

Despite that, this episode was a solid 9 out of 10. I laughed, I was scared, I watched the whole thing 3 times....

Keep it up, Smallville, I'm still watching :D

STFanatic
10-24-2008, 09:16 AM
Hey everybody, this is my first ever post on here ...


Welcome to KryptonSite, glad you are here :D

Yasise
10-24-2008, 09:52 AM
I don't know actually what to think about this episode...I gave it a 5, because it didn't excite me at all while watching.

Maybe I'm weird, but it sort of disturbs me, that everytime they want to have a "Metropolis scene" they use the same "street" in every episode.

O.k. I got it, they don't have the highest budget this season, but is it really sooo expensive to have outdoor locations, like all the earlier seasons before? To show a more realistic Metropolis?

It's kind of boring to see the same "locations" in every episode:

the DP
the Isis foundation
the one, and seemingly, only street in the big city of Metropolis!
the hospital
the one and only club in Metropolis "Ace of..." whatever (I don't remember the name right now)
oh, and the apartment in the TalonI was positively surprised about this season at first, but actually I'm not impatiently awaiting the new episodes so much anymore - and that makes me immensely sad.

I loved to feel exited about every week's episode, but now I'm kind of starting to feeling more and more indifferent, and I'm as shocked about that feeling as one could be :(, because I used to be a huge fan of this show!

I still love Tom Welling, but Smallville....??? I'm just not so sure anymore :(

harryandginnyfanatic
10-24-2008, 10:00 AM
Clark's super hero thing this episode and Detective John Jones gets a 10 from me.

Xanderman
10-24-2008, 10:45 AM
I thought this episode was incredibly lame (especially the first half...ugh). The lamest scene being the one where that little white kid was being chased around the streets of Metropolis at night by two other white kids who looked like complete geeks but were supposedly bullies. That was easily one of the lamest scenes in Smallville history. I'll expand on all the other reasons why much of this episode was as lame as that bully scene was a little bit later. For now I'll say that Committed and Plastique are the only eps this season I've enjoyed and that didn't make me want to hurl (objects at my tv).

Stu.Kent
10-24-2008, 10:51 AM
okay, definitley not what i was looking forward to. i give it 6/10

redRound
10-24-2008, 11:11 AM
This was the best episode so far. 9/10

The story itself was interesting. A lot of things were addressed and it had a nice pace.

Things so far have tended to feel very isolated, with everything happening in and around the DP. But I got a greater sense of the city in this episode. With the Isis foundation being set up properly, MM as the detective, Davis as a paramedic and the hospital shots. Then the street and other shots. It kinda reminded me of Third Watch, in that the episode moved around the city very well.

MM was awesome! I love him as a detective. He brings a much needed adult presence to the show. It's also nice to see Clark interact with a guy, (who knows his secret), in a more friendly way.

I know some don't like Chloe at Isis, but I really like her in this role. It makes perfect sense to see her concentrate on helping the meteor infected. I think this is a vast improvement from having her play sidekick to Clark, and giving constant exposition.

Clark was mature and proactive once again. We got to see him use a number of his abilities, which made him seem more capable than ever. That red jacket still needs to be burned though.

Davis, well I'm slowly being won over. I thought the actor did a great job. SW looks kinda off to me, but I think that suits the role. I'm glad the DD story has finally started. I liked the bit where he stood up to Clark in the hospital. He's going to be a much better nemesis than Tess imo.

Jimmy was fun and proactive in his own way. I liked this. It's good that he's not dumbed down to bring supposed "humour" to the show. He's still a reporter and photographer after all.

And for the first time, I liked Chloe and Jimmy as a couple. I can see them being good together.

But there wasn't much shipping, Hallelujah!!

I noticed that the Luthor lighting is being used on a lot of other people. I still miss Lex, :( but MR is definitely not coming back. He has a role in a film, he's going to be playing a fighter-pilot. He's been taking flying lessons!! :)

Overall, this was an awesome episode!!! :cool:

eas
10-24-2008, 11:23 AM
Hey everybody, this is my first ever post on here, even though I've been a fan of Smallville since series 1 and starting checking out Kryptonsite during season 7. But I laughed my head off that much reading all your posts about 'Committed' that I thought, man, I gotta join in. Anyways, here's what I thought of 'Prey'.

First off though, can I just say how jealous I am that you can all watch the show on normal tv when it actually airs, wheras I have to watch it on the internet and wait on it to come over this side of the Atlantic in 6 months time, usually on a channel we don't get and ALWAYS on at the same time as whatever sport my brothers are watching. On the other hand, emigrating to the US just for the show seems a little....extreme. Though if I put that on the visa application would they let me in?

Right, the episode. I loved this episode, the writing and dialogue is just so much better than season 7, and the characters are real. Clark and Chloe are mature, grown-up, adult....you get my meaning, and there's a lot less whining (again, season 7). Clark is now a fully-blown good samaritan, although apparently with no life either...is Shelby getting fed?

What made this episode really great was Martian Manhunter, now John Jones and a detective to boot. His scenes with Clark were priceless, I love that he called Lois 'mouthy'. Chloe's self-help group were fun but the threat of a Tess-run group of kids with meteor powers is worrying, especially to Clark, and also the setup of Davis as Doomsday is bubbling along nicely. Even Jimmy was nowhere near as annoying.

Criticisms? Chloe's complete acceptance of Davis without any doubts, and then the ambiguity over whether she has feelings for Davis or not. I mean, we've just had an episode based around the fact that she loves ONLY Jimmy, the guy she's marrying, and all of a sudden... Also, no Lois.

Despite that, this episode was a solid 9 out of 10. I laughed, I was scared, I watched the whole thing 3 times....

Keep it up, Smallville, I'm still watching :D

Good review. I agree with most everything...

I was also a bit taken aback about how we just went through a whole episode telling us that Jimmy is Chloe's guy and now she's connecting with Davis & we've got some sort of triangle.

geminis
10-24-2008, 11:46 AM
No Lois means I automatically deduct points but I was glad for the reference to her; gone, but not forgotten.

I worship at the feet of Phil Morris. He is a terrific Martian Manhunter and I am soooo glad that he got more screentime. MM's gentle prodding of Clark, comments about masks and identities and being a homicide detective and needing the help, his recognition of Clark's mouthy cohort Lois and the Emerald ally and the Superfriends all had me standing up cheering.

I have never hated Jimmy, even when he's with Chloe. But it was also nice to see him doing what he'll do in the future; working with Clark, wanting to prove that Metropolis' mysterious hero is out there. (And the fact that he was right there behind him? Loving it!)

Clark. What more can I say? Perfection. Those superleaps are easier and easier. This is the Superman, able to leap a tall building in a single bound. Yay! He was kind of morose and obsessed, taking advantage of Chloe yet again, but I think when Lois returns she'll kick him out of his dependent funk.

Chloe and Davis together. How much sparkage do the two of them put out? I'm surprised that the chandelier at Isis is still there, considering the amount of electricity the two together consistently have shown. Chloe and Clark; it's sad to see the two at such odds but nice that they still care for each other. Chloe and Jimmy: there is no doubt in my mind that even though I think they are cute together, they are a 'ship that is bound to sink.

It was also nice to have the reference to Tess; pulling strings like a Luthor.

Davis himself. It is irony at it's very best. Here's this gorgeous guy beautifully acted by Sam Witwer. We all know he's doomed, especially when he had that anvil-licous "I'm not some larger than life hero" comment. I wasn't too sure about Doomsday but due to the brilliant casting and writing, I'm convinced. And hooked.

All about Clark
10-24-2008, 12:06 PM
I only gave this ep a 7. I really wasn't that impressed with it. And I really didn't care for Chloe this time. I thought that she should be apolgizing to Clark and not the other way around. Yes he was a little obsessed, but he wasn't hurting anyone.

I was very unhappy with Chloe's line about her kids at least being brave enough to come forward, meaning she thought Clark a chicken and that really turned me off.

I have totally warmed up to Tess, but I just can't get there with Davis. I'm just not feeling it. And that was pretty much my take on the episode, I just wasn't feeling it.

stenochick
10-24-2008, 12:12 PM
I just rewatched Prey with the closed captions on so I could decipher Sam's mumbled lines, and once again, Smallville is soooo much better the second time. I don't know what it is, but I'll watch the first time and think, "that was pretty good." Then I watch the next day by myself and catch all kinds of things I missed and think, "that was awesome."

kryptonhero25
10-24-2008, 12:23 PM
i thought it was a great episode but a major tease with doomsday, we all know that he was the murderer at the ace of clubs because from the video you heard all the destruction and doomsday sounds but i wish they would've focused solely on him and not throw a twist in with the shadow guy. but we have up until may so hopefully they'll do it soon enough

BIGBLUE1
10-24-2008, 01:36 PM
i lvoed this episode. 9 out of 10......
from beginging to end this was a great episode. the first scene finally we saw the isis foundation in work .. its been around since what the middle of last season and they've only talked about what it is .. now they've finally put and end to that. i loved chloe in this scene she showed such a compassion for the meteor infected. when that girl was walking down the alley defeitntyl a great scary moment of course e knew what was coming so it not "scary" more along the lines of dark!!!!
then we got commercials damn those things!!!!!!
ok so were back and now were at clark and chloe trying to keep they're friendship up to date but can't do it cause clarks in a nother worl.. superman world.. finally when miss mack exits we see it for the first time.. clark stepping up and doing what he needs to do ... SAVE THE WORLD. it was awesome its always awesome to see him rescue one person but 3 in a row man it was great to see him go from one thing to anohter .. and learn quickly that he can't be everywhere at once!!!ok how f-ed up was the ace of clubs scene.. man-o-man davis was messed up i love his hurt act.. i believed it everyminute.... then the video man i was hopeing for liek a quick glimpse just a quick one!!!!!!!!! but we got the description from the one witness that it was a monstor with jagged eyes (as described by jimmy). then the shower scene wow . ill leave it at that i love blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i liked davis detective work kinda missed the chloe davis scene when davis confessed everything to her but tis ok i caught the rest ofit ..and i liked the way davis put out there that he likes chloe. suddle but slick. davis man i love this guy i can't get enough of him i want to see more of him.
then yesterday i kinda asked a question more like a statement and of course i got corrected by the comic book squad but hah jones jones is a detective !!! - and ill leave it at that they knwo what it will mean . but i like the usage of him in smallvilel know a detetive .. and he's heping clark out doing what he does best .. i love that chemistry great idea!!!!!!!
ok clark and chloe's little right ... man chloe can be a ***** if she wants.. but a adorable *****.
clark got a little un-clark like by using his powers to do somethign that benefitted him even tho his friend told him not to cause it would offend her. but i guess all in all it worked out in the end because wihout that list they would have been up shits creek!!!!
but i really do need mroe of davis.. i loved the ending of the show the davis actualyl not being the " mas killer" the meteor frak was actually probably one of the coolest meteor freaks i've seen so far .. but im just not thinking hard enough.
anyways i liked this episode .. i think it brought everthing to table tcuked there cards and played smart. this was a great episode and i can't wait for more more more more more more doomsday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!111

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please don't yell at me with the typ-o's i type wuick and im about to leave work :)

Khyla
10-24-2008, 01:47 PM
...emigrating to the US just for the show seems a little....extreme. Though if I put that on the visa application would they let me in?
:lol:

WELCOME jobookjunkie!

I give it a 9 as well. :)

I thought it was a great epi.

Though one thing bothered me (perhaps it could be attributed to the Chloiac-Effect. It seems whenever anything's "off" that's as good escape-goat as any :\ ):
It just seems off that one minute Chloe is consoling Davis and hell-bent on proving to him that his theory about being the killer must be wrong, and the next, she is telling Clark: "I have to admit Davis would have the perfect setup." "I mean he attacks the people and then pretends to arrive at the scene to save them."
Chloe even rolls her eyes as she says it. That was just WEIRD. Maybe it was Brainiac influencing her in order to put Clark in harms way? It just didn't make sense otherwise.. :\

oldblackmagick
10-24-2008, 01:49 PM
loved the ep but some of the attitude from clark and the hypocrisy of it all...but it only brought it down to an 8...still best ep ever compared to some of last years:)

Dark kalel
10-24-2008, 02:08 PM
I was expecting Doomsday not some shadow kid. sort of dissapointing but overall the episode was good. When Jimmy said over the walkie talkie "some kind of monster" I thought we'd see Davis for what he really is. Oh well. maybe he'll emerge later

Fly by guy
10-24-2008, 02:21 PM
I gave it a generous 2. One day later and I can't remember anything about the eppy. Dullllllllllll.

ms.c.
10-24-2008, 02:43 PM
I loved everyone involved in this episode. The actors were all excellent. Sam Witwer was especially a great addition to the cast and he brought a lot of nuance to his scenes. Whatever he gave out was matched in level by AM and TW.

great dynamics in the episode.

Loved Chloe/Clark, Clark/Jimmy, Chloe/Davis, Davis/Clark,Clark/MM Davis/Jimmy

Lot of interesting issues were brought up with Clark and Chloe's roles in the world and how they want to make a difference. Chloe stinks at therapy.

It was great to see Chloe/Clark back working together at the Daily Planet the way they should. I can't wait for this Brainiac storyline with Chloe to be over. I am ready to enjoy real Chloe again.

Jaderoyale
10-24-2008, 03:25 PM
I just rewatched Prey with the closed captions on so I could decipher Sam's mumbled lines, and once again, Smallville is soooo much better the second time. I don't know what it is, but I'll watch the first time and think, "that was pretty good." Then I watch the next day by myself and catch all kinds of things I missed and think, "that was awesome."

ITA definetly.
When i first saw it last night i thought "Okay... that was good,"
But i just rewatched it, and i thought "WHOA,"

DETECTIVE JOHN JONES!
DAVIS!



*sigh*
Acting was BRILLIANT all round. Sam Witer. Fantasic. Abolsutely fantastic. Tom. Allison. Phil. Even Aaron :p
Guess what?
10 ;)


Gosh i want flight. Enough superjumping already.

babyluthor
10-24-2008, 03:54 PM
I didn't really like this episode, I give it a 4. I just found it to be predictable, and I never really got into it. I don't like the Davis character. I find his acting to be strange, like his facial expressions are forced and not how they should be in certain situations. Also, I'm starting to not even like Chloe. Yes that's right and she used to be my favorite character. She has changed so much from how she was in the early seasons.

Some of the good things: I like the good samaritan thing and how Jimmy is trying to find out who is doing it. There were lots of effects which is always cool. They had some mentions of the Justice League guys and Tess's new team of meteor freaks.

I know all the episodes can't be great, so I'm not too let down. Hope next week's is better. The preview looked good.

geminis
10-24-2008, 03:56 PM
WOOF I'm right here guys!

I love you Shelby! Come back soon!

Waiting patiently for a review from Cedric. Not as much fun this week, I know, but please let it not be ten more pages until you finish. I am not obsessed, I am not a barbecue freeloader, I am not in denial. Okay, well maybe...

smallvillefreak24
10-24-2008, 04:07 PM
I liked the episode but its still prob my least favorite of the season which doesn't say much about the episode but of the SEASON i love this season

Jaderoyale
10-24-2008, 04:11 PM
^^ ITA Ann.
I want Cedrics review too.

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** Got to add something that i forgot to write earlier.
The whole black and white scene, awesome.
Also wondering... is Davis like the alterego/vessel for Doomsday?

Also, some people have said they wanted more of Clarks abilites in the epi; i however think it worked wonderfully with the few that were used.

EricaIsGr8t
10-24-2008, 04:26 PM
I gave it a 6 and I think I'm being generous. Had it not been for the MM's and Clark's interaction not to mention Sam's awesome acting, my rating would have been lower. All in all it felt like I was just passing my time until the identity promo.

lana 9
10-24-2008, 04:28 PM
love it 10

individuall
10-24-2008, 04:39 PM
8/10 for me! Wonderful eppy! :D

SW was amazing this episode...I loved proactive Clark even though he was being a bit of an ***....But I was OK with it because he apologized...
Chloe was great too I LOVED her scenes with Davis they have such great chemistry :)
You can never go wrong when MM is in an eppy :D I loved his 'parental' nature with Clark...I did miss Lois..But she didn't have a place in this episode...
I loved Jimmy Olsen...I never thought I'd type that..Jimmy was great in this episode I'm so glad they found a use for him other than being Chloe's Love interest..
And gotta say I was digging the Chlark tension...But I was glad they made up in the end..I like the Chlark friendship a lot and I don't want anything to happen to it..Though both sides had a very good point and both Clark nad Chloe were right to stand their ground with one another..Also Kudos for mentioning why Lois wasn't in the eppy...LOL Monster truck rally'...Very Lois Lane...And I have the comic scan to prove it! ;)


Some things I didn't like I wasn't really crazy about the 'shadow' MF angle..The kid was creepy and all..But I just didn't really dig it....And I didn't like the way a few scenes were directed...Mainly the scene when we see the 'Shadow' MF and Clark throws the garbage can lid..I can't really explain why I just didn't like the way it was shot...And some of the dialogue was really convoluted...
But all in all...I thought it was a really good eppy and a very nice segue into next week's 'Identity'

LookUpDown
10-24-2008, 05:56 PM
I loved it and will watch it again. Loved the Chlark, Chloom, MM, and I even enjoyed Jimmy.

lrog127
10-24-2008, 08:10 PM
I just rewatched Prey with the closed captions on so I could decipher Sam's mumbled lines, and once again, Smallville is soooo much better the second time. I don't know what it is, but I'll watch the first time and think, "that was pretty good." Then I watch the next day by myself and catch all kinds of things I missed and think, "that was awesome."

HAHA..That's great! Me and you both. ;)

alejandrita439
10-24-2008, 08:15 PM
i gave it a 10...
i liked it, but wasnt my favorite

i loved clark/jimmy clark/davis chloe/davis :)

Violet-Shadow
10-24-2008, 08:36 PM
9. SW showed what kind of actor he is, IMO. He really carried this episode (again, IMO). Plus, the CK/Jimmy interaction was just fabulous. And that last Chloe/Davis scene? Pretty amazing (and I'm not a Chloe/Davis fan!) I was really shocked that I enjoyed the episode considering Lois wasn't in it. That rarely happens. So, a 9.

vyperman7
10-24-2008, 09:05 PM
Prey was FANTASTIC. Definately my favorite episode of the season. It had a nice element of mystery and suspense, as well as Clark being more proactive, worrying about his identity, an appearance from Martian Manhunter, etc.. At first, I was bugged by the fact that Davis was already claming he might be the killer. Much too early for that in my opinion. However, I liked the misdirect that the they did with having the Shadow Creature take credit for the killings to throw people off Davis' trail. The last shot of the cross hanging was awesome.

The only real weakspot of the episode was Chloe and the Isis foundation. First of all, I usually love Chloe. However, one of my few gripes has always been how naive she is. Clark has earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion, and Chloe was out of line with the way she talked to Clark. I am also torn on Chloe being there. On one hand, Isis seems to have a real purpose to it now, instead of just being a spy center. It also makes more sense to have Chloe running things since she has a meteor ability. But it does seem like the writers are rushing things. They didn't really give Chloe much time to break into the role. It would have been more realistic to take some episodes to slowly build Chloe's rep bringing in a few people at a time, instead of giving her a whole group in one episode. I think if they would have slowed things down it would have been handled better.

Overall though I really enjoyed this episode. Prey and Plastique have been the best episodes so far this season IMO.

9.5/10

La Donna
10-24-2008, 09:13 PM
I gave it a nine. I really enjoyed this episode, especially the acting. Everyone brought their A game. This season is amazing, no matter who has been in the episodes. I'm a huge Lois fan, but I was totally ok with her being gone in this episode. There was no real reason to have her in it, and it set up the plot well (with Clark being on his own). I was just happy that they even mentioned why she wasn't there! That happily surprised me. As well as the mention of Ollie and group, great continuity. It's like these people still exist when they're not in the episode, which is a huge improvement over past seasons.

SW is amazing! I thought he was a good actor after his first two episodes, but after last night, he was awesome!!! Seriously! And I'm not just saying that because of the shower scene. That was just icing on the cake (it's too bad this show wasn't on HBO or something, the camera may have been able to dip a little lower). He rocked his scenes with Clark, Chloe, and Jimmy. What I wish the story line was would be that somehow Doomsday was inside Davis, a regular old human. I have no idea how they would do the how or why of it, but I just really like Davis, and to me it's hard to fathom a Doomsday who is also a human and a paramedic. But either way, I'm really enjoying the story.

Jimmy, I missed you so much!!! You are a photographer, I knew it! I was wondering as of late, but you showed me that you can still be an independent person who has a job, and is excited about his job. Chloe has all of that, so you should too. Plus, that is who you are: A photographer! You get your cute little butt out there and nab that good samaritan!

Chloe, you are the most adorable person on the planet. I'm serious, she couldn't be any cuter if she tried, even when she's calling Clark out (whether he deserves it or not). And I think both Clark and Chloe did have points, but I was on Chloe's side for the most part. She promised those kids it would be a secret, and they trusted her. For Clark to come in without giving Chloe proof or anything was selfish. He didn't even stop to say something like "I'm sorry I'm asking you to do this, and normally I would never ask you to betray their trust, since I know how much this means to you". But instead, he basically stole the list. That's the way I looked at it at least, she said no, he memorized it and wrote it down for MM anyways. Not cool, boyfriend, not cool! I don't understand all the bagging on Chloe for not being a very good counselor. She just started recently trying to work with them, most of them don't want to go public or get help, and she's only coming into their lives recently. They have trust issues, and some corrupted power issues. Chloe isn't Jesus, she can't just smile at them and turn them into good guys! I think showing the support group was a big step in showing that Chloe is on the right path, and she is determined to make a difference in the lives of the meteor infected, even if the pay off isn't very big. The end scene between her and Davis was a bit weird to me. I mean, we knew he had a crush on her, but the things she said seemed a bit odd. She's had an easy time with someone only once before and it wasn't Jimmy? Did she mean Clark, and if so in what context? Was it the dance they went to romantically, or the friendship? And if it was the friendship, why did she say "I had it once", as in past tense? I just didn't get it. I think her saying she shouldn't see Davis anymore is a credit to Chloe's integrity, because she doesn't want to get to a point where it becomes inappropriate. I think that was a good thing she did since she is engaged. It is odd after last week seemed to be the show telling us that Jimmy is the only one she loves and wants to marry, and then this week she seemed to feel something with Davis and mention her easy relationship with Clark (if that's what it was). I don't know, weird.

MM, I couldn't say enough good things. I wish he was a regular, but I guess if he was then Clark might have it a bit too easy looking for help. I don't know, but he is a fantastic addition to this show. He does a great portrayal of MM, putting him in the police department is an excellent segue to Clark's future working relationship with the police. And he's in a position to give Clark great advice, I just hope Clark listens to it.

And now, my Clark. Oh my God, you are becoming Superman. It's real, isn't it? I didn't just dream this up? Ok, he's a little overeager and obsessed, but since he's just starting out trying to save the world, I'm hoping that attitude was just a way to get him to learn to balance his life out. It's sort of annoying, though, that every time he thinks something is important, he snaps at everyone. But, he's got to progress to Superman, and so hopefully all of this moves him forward and he learns from his mistakes. I mean, in the past few seasons, that would be hoping to the point of foolishness, but with this new season, I gotta say, I feel pretty confident he will learn and move forward. Oh ya, and I also loved that he wants to help MM get his powers back. YA!!! He remembers, without adding in his guilty talk, and says he wants to help him and will find a way to get his powers back.

Before this episode aired, I was feeling just so-so about it. After I've seen it, it went beyond what was previewed. I'm glad we didn't see DD, because I want that to be a huge event this season, and it's too early. The episode was creepy, scary, heroic, and it had real relationship problems and growth, as opposed to junior high relationship problems and stagnation. I gave Episode 1-9, Episode 2-8, Episode 3-6, Episode 4-9, Episode 5-10, and this one a 9. This season is so far beyond what I could have expected Smallville to give me (after what I suffered through for season 7). It's given me so much faith in TPTB and the writers, that I'm not even dreading Lana coming back. I don't hate Lana at all, but I hate Clark when Lana's around. But with the way things are shaping up, I think this may end up being positive for both Lana and Clark.

This is a long review, so I guess I should go watch the shower scene again to see if there is any hidden clues that I may have missed the first time around!!

ShelbyKent
10-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Yay for SuperClark! Yay for Detective JOhn Jones lol! MM's exchange with Jimmy Olsen at the end was hilarious. And go proactive Photographer!Jimmy :)

Is it just me or is the Chloom feeling so rushed? Well maybe that was the point but I'm quite uncomfortable with Chloom with Chloe being engaged and all. Great chemistry between SW and AM

I was looking forward to seeing more of Doomsday. Well we saw a LOT more of SW than we bargained for lol (a nice bonus)! But I thought we'd be seeing a doomsday transformation

I like that we're seeing a super Clark in training (with Clark making mistakes and all, trying to get the hang of the superhero gig). The superjump was nice.... I guess their building on "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound" But I wish he would fly soon!

The pacing of the episode was clunky in the beginning but picked up speed in the end. The rosary in the last scene is a nice touch.

Overall I think the first 6 eppies are cohesive. Noticed that TPTB are making an extra effort to callback to previous eppies (even from past seasons!) and to explain the whereabouts of characters not present in the eppie (Lois in monster truck rally, tess building her special MF team...). Hope they keep up the good work in building continuity

Keep it up Smallville :)

Doomsday666
10-24-2008, 11:38 PM
I loved the episode, I'd give it a eight.

SW acting was great in this episode and so was Toms and AM's.

From what I read te Meteor freak that died in the begining was indeed killed by Davis aka Doomsday. She screamed before a roar was heard, and from what I seen the Shadow creature doesnt speak what so ever and has no other power than turning into a shadow. Which isnt enough to do that much bodily harm that happened to the girl. He then went to the Ace of Clubs and went on a rampage killing several innocent people before mutating back to his normal self and covered in blood.

Darkcook
10-25-2008, 02:41 AM
Shadow Thief??? OMG.

Well, a great episode, I would have wanted to see Davis into Doomsday, but we had great scenes between Clark and J'onn, especially the last one, making references to Plastique and Instinct! I loved J'onn's look when Jimmy talked to him^^ Super jump was also fantastic, he should do it more!

Jaderoyale
10-25-2008, 03:20 AM
Shadow Thief??? OMG.

Well, a great episode, I would have wanted to see Davis into Doomsday, but we had great scenes between Clark and J'onn, especially the last one, making references to Plastique and Instinct! I loved J'onn's look when Jimmy talked to him^^ Super jump was also fantastic, he should do it more!

6 episodes in?
Way too early.

dotsie23
10-25-2008, 08:24 AM
It was an okay eppy I could've done without the Clark/Chloe/Jimmy/Davis rectangle. I was hoping Doomsday would be a little more grayer and spikey.

Fallen One
10-25-2008, 09:20 AM
MTV Studios

Ashton Kutcher: What's up, everybody? Welcome to MTV's Punk'd. Did you miss us? We were off the air but had to come back for a special "Smallville Edition". 5 years years ago, Jimmy Olsen gave us a call and asked us to help him punk Chloe by having her think she wasn't just a one night stand. Done. Taken care of. Come on, Jimmy. Did you think that you'd get to punk someone without getting punked yourself? Nah ah! No way! Here's the plan. We're gonna convince Jimmy that he won Chloe's heart. He's gonna be thinking that she really is in love with him. Come on, man! You're not a murderer! You ain't going to win Chloe's affection being nice! Dax is going to plant the camera in the bedroom of their apartment. Let's go to commercial. Stick around cause after the break the photo-journalist is going to have a reason to 'snap'!

Commercial Announcer: Next week, it's the Punk'd Best of Smallville 2006 edition. Look back at some of the finest punk out moments from season 6. We convince Jor-El that Clark actually was going to accept his destiny. We talk Martha Kent into believing that the show still wanted her. Then we convince Al/Miles that Clexana was the greatest triangle ever!

Ashton Kutcher: OK, we're back. We're going to punk Superman's pal by making him think that he finally doesn't have a reason to mistrust his fiance's feelings. Not happening, buddy! Let's go to the tape from last week's footage!

Jimmy and Chloe lay in their bed at the Talon. After the awkwardness of the handcuffs explanation, they talk more about where they stand in their relationship, especially after the events earlier in the day.

Chloe: Jimmy, its always been you. I could never be with anyone else. I love you.

Jimmy: I know that now, Chloe. I mean I had my doubts but earlier tonight we both faced life and death. You passed the test without lying to me. You really did love me. I'm so lucky to have you.

Chloe: And you won't ever second guess my love for you anymore, right?

Jimmy: No.. never.

Cut to: The production truck. Ashton Kutcher is watching on a monitor.

Kutcher: (Taking off headset) That's it. Got it. I'm going in.

Jimmy cuddles with Chloe, tears swelling up in his eyes. The joy of knowing that he has the love of the woman he loves filling his heart with happiness.

Kutcher: Yo, Jimbo! You just got punked, son!

Jimmy: (jumping from the bed) What?! Chloe?? WHAT IS THIS?!

Kutcher: Ha ha ha! You really thought she loved you? You thought her feelings were real? Ha ha! She lies to you all the time and you believe her! You got punked!

Jimmy (near tears): Yeah, that's funny stuff. Next time you go out of town, I'm slamming Demi.

Kutcher: What?

Jimmy: (Smiling but still near tears) Nothing.

Cut to: The studio with Kutcher

Kutcher: So, there you go. Jimmy Olsen got punked. There is no escaping us! That was better than when we told TWOP that DC writers were Chloisers. Join us next week!

Credits Roll

Commercial Announcer: Join us for our next installment on Punk'd. We send Oliver on a cruise only to crash his boat. Clark tells Chloe she may have a chance afterall. And Tess gets told that she's just as interesting as Lex! Don't miss it!

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Wow that sucked for Jimmy, but I would laugh so hard if I saw something like that. Will we get punk'd on tonight's episode? From the looks of it the folks who actually expected to see Doomsday already were.

Prey

This episode was incredible! It was edgy, it was dark, and it had an intensity to it. I love creepy movies, and even though Smallville hasn't really ever scared me this came as close to that as the series ever has.

It didn't start out that way though. This opening scene at Isis made me laugh more than focus. First words out of this chick's mouth: "Santa gave me the wrong doll and I was so mad I sort of made all the christmas lights on our entire block go out. Thats when my parents caught on that I was different". People, you can't make this up. Then she and this guy get into it and are visibly getting pissed at each other. What is counselor Chloe doing to ease the tension? Laughing along with everybody else. Is she getting paid for this? She IS? I'm in the wrong profession.The woman then scorns Chloe for the meeting to which Chloe doesn't refute but instead gives a passive aggressive answer. Some geek steps in only to get shot down in front of everyone. Is it horrible that I laughed? He seemed so enthusiastic about the meeting and then BAM. Ha ha, awful. The meeting is adjorned but the the woman ends up getting killed. Somehow this is Lana's fault.

Daily Planet. Chloe looks at Clark suggestively and sucks on a straw. Oh no people... no no no...people really.. thats not what I meant...come on now.. get your mind out of the gutter. Clark is listening to police calls and pretty much annoying anything Chloe does or says. He snaps out of it only for Chloe to whine at him about wasting her night looking at him save lives. We'll excuseeee him for living, Chloe. Forget people that need his help, Clark needs to be with you eating at a cheap restaurant with a bad smell coming from the kitchen. Gawd. She leaves and things get really, really good. Badass Clark saves a guy and a little boy from not one but TWO punk theives.

Tonight's No comprendo is sponsored by Jack Daniels. Because when the moment is all wrong and there's no way around it with that special someone you just want to get the hell out, this is twice as good as the blue pill and 1/10th the price:

Who the hell would rob a little boy? Are you kidding me? And there were two of them! What "money" could a little boy have? 5 dollars? By "money" are they implying something else? Batteries? Yu-Gi-Oh cards? Pet Turtles? Chuck-E Cheese Coupons? Clark couldn't have clocked them hard enough for me. And the way this kid starting punching at the air.. I had to pause my tv so that I could stop laughing. He looked like he was struggling to get out of water. Hilarious visual. Run boy! Get the hell home!

Clark speeds toward a building then Superjumps to the roof of it. Now that was cool. Davis is bloodied up and acting like he overdosed on something fierce. I have to say that SW acted the hell out of this scene and I felt like he was in danger of falling over at any moment. J'onn J'onnz! Now this is what I'm talking about, and a dectective at that. Clark really takes this case personal and heads to the DP. Is that.. Jimmy Olsen?? Wow so he DOES still work there. I thought the writers were making him Chloe's full time umbrella holder.

Can I say how much I LOVE this good samaritan storyline? This has the potential to be the best thing Smallville has done. When Clark heard about it his face had me rolling. He looked like I looked when one of my dates suggested we spend the evening watching "the notebook". They watch a video of the murder. Cue drunk people, cue HulkSmash! No blood.. well that sucks.

Isis. Chloe think's Clark coming by for milk and cookies. ANNT ANNT! Clark's got some questions. And he wants them answered immediately! "Thanks Chloe but sitting around with a bunch of strangers singing kumbyah isn't exactly my idea of self help." Burn! Ha ha ha! Oh Clark, I doubt she even sings with them. Clark tells her that the attack had to be by someone meteor infected and of course this is just beyond Chloe's understanding. Maybe it was a normal person with super speed and super strength. Yup, makes perfect sense Chloe. Smartly, Clark ignores her and gets the names anyways.

Met General. Jimmy tracks down Davis for a scoop. "Bony eyebrows" Sounds like someone I know. Let me tells ya..if I went to ask a guy about something and the second sentence out of his mouth was asking about my girlfriend, suspicion will abound, names will be called, and a challenge will be made. Well..unless it was a really BIG guy, then I'd just give him a look a pure apprehension to pysch him out.

Daily Planet. Clark and MM handling business. "Its more like speed reading but lets not split hairs". Clark you playa!. "Mouthy Cohort?" Lois would take that as a compliment I believe! I'm glad she was mentioned and I so missed her presence. I liked the point MM was making about obssession and there being consequences even when you save someone. So true. I would tell a story here but I'm so damn tired. Lets just say mother ducks are ungrateful. MM and Jor-El are the only people I feel good about lecturing Clark concerning supernatural things. Clark maintains his determination to solve the case, but he doesn't rebute what MM says because he knows its true. Now Davis is on Clark's radar. Uh oh. Great scene, I wish it could have been longer.

Met General. "Will the romance ever end?" Thats clearly flirting, engaged one. Davis actually confesses to murder. Is this dude on crack? That would be at the top of my list of things to take to my grave, that and having an Nsync CD.

Isis. "Davis I know you and you are not capable of murder.." May I, reader? Thank you. Ahem: OH SHUT UP, Chloe. What do you know? What do really know about Davis? Nothing. Does he like chicken fingers? Whats his opinion about hybrid cars? You don't even know his middle name. Don't be Lana, Chloe. SW again really brings it in this scene. He was really freaking out and I sat still as I watched. Almost tearing up was a good choice and I sort of felt sympathy for him here. Great stuff by SW and I liked the score in this scene. Good scene.

Met General. Clark really is obsessed with getting to the bottom of this, and thats a good thing. Two things though. 1. I wish he didn't "show his hand" by letting Davis know he had seen the photos, and 2. He should haven been more sly and used this opportunity to pump Davis for info by using a little more kindness. But this scene was really good confrontation that gets these going between these two. Davis tried to turn it around on Clark and he is right in that both of them are hiding things but the difference is that Davis is hiding a secret that doesn't hurt anybody. Davis on the other hand is hiding about the worst thing a person can do and thats murder. Really good scene.

Daily Planet. Here she comes. I know the sound of those footsteps anywhere. The footsteps of self righteousness. Rant time. I perfer focusing on the positives of an episode but this scene really rubbed me the wrong way.

1. I'm not 100% in love with your tone Chloe. 2. Poor Chloe having to protect Clark's secret. It wasn't he that put you in that position, it was your own self. If he had it his way you wouldn't know jack squat. If you don't want it anymore simply tell him that you don't want it anymore and he'll oblige you and strip it from your memory. So don't you dare play that card, you and Pete can go whine elsewhere. 3. If Clark had the courage to put himself out there like they did? Those kids were only ridiculed. Being an alien gets you locked up and experimented on, plus all your family. It is infinately times worse than being a human with one weird ability. Think about that while you are on your high moral pedestal. 4. Before you lecture anyone about revealing their secret you yourself come out and reveal yours, including to your own finace. Hyprocrite.

Whew.. had to get that out because ugh, she so annoyed me here. I wished Clark would have raised his voice right back at her. Glad he didn't back down. "Fine. We'll let the facts speak for themselves." Yes.. and they will speak in your favor Clark, as usual.

Met General. Jimmy brings back all the reasons why hospitals give me the creeps at night. The worst was when this poor old fellow mistook me for his his long lost son and started chasing me down the hallway. For a split second I thought Davis would hurt him but it turned out to be nothing. Very nice little scene and creepy music to boot. The paramedic ride was also eery. Jimmy has to suspect that there is something dark about Davis that he is hiding. I wouldn't feel comfortable at all during that ride. Do ambulances have FM radio? If there ever was a "hey lets turn on the radio" moment, it was this one. Especially when Davis starts blacking out. Holy crap. Again, good scene.

They arrive and find the shadow killer, I liked how the show made it seem like Davis wasn't the guy after all. When Clark supersped there and saw Davis walking eeevily, he just knew that Davis had proved his suspicions. Giving the audience that tease before pulling it away was a good choice. Clark finds out that, in this instance, its actually the MF attempting murder this time. Jimmy must have been hiding all that time but if I were him I would have gotten the heck out of dodge. Clark clocked that punk with a tire. Ha! That had to hurt. Don't let the blood stop you Jimmy, snap away! I really loved the score here. Clark turns around and see's a (seemingly) vindicated Davis walking toward a sorry Clark. Awesome, AWESOME moment.

Isis. The whole time I was saying "Don't appologize, don't appologize, don't appologize." And yet it happened. I was ok with it I guess. Then I waited for Chloe's appology... and it never happened. No I'm sorry. No I appologize. Nothing. So, does she think she was justified in protecting a murderer? Obviously so, because she walks over and gets a MF yellowbook and tells Clark that she's profiled a ton of MFs but she's never saved any of them. So what is this? She's counseling them because of some type of penance left over from her days of MF exposer? Sorry, that still doesn't excuse her behavior, or the fact that she was proven wrong.

She then flirts with Davis again, and admits that she's never felt the sort of connection with Jimmy that she does with Davis. Then she pulls away when he asks her a blunt question about where she stands. You brought that on yourself Chloe with all your flirting. All. Your. Fault.

Daily Planet. Quite possibly the best scene of the night. I'm glad the writers are making note of how openly Clark is displaying his powers. MM is right again, he has been sloppy and too eager to help that he isn't thinking about who is watching him. A mask though.. is that where they are going with this?

Clark with a mask---------------- Level 5 Awesome.

Season 8-------------------------Level 4 Awesome.

So as you can see, I've calculated that Clark running around with a mask would make the season even more awesome. Powerpoint, eat your heart out.

The whole time Clark and MM are having this conversation Season 8's Superman-ly theme is playing in the background. Gets me pumped everytime. Clark agrees and says he'll be careful. Cue lying music in my head. In comes Jimmy for the funniest moment of the show. When MM tells him to slow down and Jimmy takes the opportunity to shake his hand and introduce himself I leaned back on my couch and I was rolling. PM sold the exchange completely. He was channelling a little Jackie Chiles there! I wished this scene could have been 2 or 3 more minutes. Nice way to end their scene with Clark getting that diarrhea face again when Jimmy says he will prove the good samaratian exists.

Prison. In walks Tess' tall glass of a water.

"You look uncomfortable"

"You're not a lawyer"

"I'll take that as a compliment".

Oh.. no. Not that kind of movie. I mean yeah! for her but no for him. So the girl at the beginning carried a cross. The shadow thief only killed the old guy that Davis and Jimmy found. Davis killed the girl at the beginning and all the people at the Ace of Clubs. A very, nice twist by the writers. And ending it with Davis having the cross? I bet that got fans excited. Great cliffhanger. Great score. Great episode.

This was a thriller. Clark and Davis are not their destined selves yet.. but very close. Loved the urgency that both characters displayed. TW did well and SW did an incredible job tonight. I missed Lois and couldn't disgree more with those that say that she isn't needed for certain episodes. There is always room for her and she can add to any storyline. At least the writers continued to progress Clark this week. Another lesson learned by him, another thing to take with him in his journey. Jimmy was fantastic and again.. put him away from Chloe and he shines. She's like a blackhole to all his greatest attributes. My biggest regret for this episode besides Lois not being there is that there was not enough Jimmy and MM. They should have been in the episode more and Chloe a bit less. Otherwise, the episode rocked and got my emotions going.

Plastique moves down and is now my 3rd favorite. Prey is my now my second, It gets a 9 out of 10.

PS3 are knocking these episodes out of the park. And next week? Oh my God. Keep it up Smallville.

ginnyfan
10-25-2008, 09:47 AM
Great review Cedric. I winced a few times... but I laughed more than I winced and agreed more often than I disagreed. :D

alejandrita439
10-25-2008, 10:51 AM
as always Cedric,,, i enjoyed reading your post :D:D

newbaggy
10-25-2008, 10:59 AM
I gave it a 6. Oddly enough, if I had judged purely on the first 10-15 minutes of the episode, I might have given it a nine. The opening scene at Chloe's support group might not have been great, but the idea of a killer that can only be glimpsed as a shadow speeding through the frame made for a highly effective teaser. Thereafter, we get Clark as the highly pro-active (if over-zealous) Good Samaritan, a rampaging "monster" destroying the Ace of Clubs, a bloodstained Davis and the Martian Manhunter as a detective (A huge cheer for this. I may be in a minority of one, but I've always felt that MM has seemed an unecessary, rather flatly-written character in his previous outings - this time, he actually felt like he had a purpose and Phil Morris' performance felt a little less "stiff" than it had before). So, why the drop from 9 to 6? Well, I found a piece today by British film critic Peter Bradshaw on why darkness is de rigeur in modern superhero movies. The following quote mirrors my own feelings.


I'm a fan of Bond and Batman, and to a lesser degree I can see the potency of Potter - but I think "dark" is becoming a convenient alibi for a lack of tonal variation, a lack of light and shade. In real life, there is happiness as well as sadness, triumph as well as disaster.

These things are no less real for happening scarcely, or at any rate, more scarcely than we would want. But they are there, and they have to be represented, for the bad things to mean anything.

In "Prey", from the midpoint onwards, "dark" quickly becomes "drab" and "dull". The episode desperately needs a greater variation in tone, some originality in the writing, an idea coming out of left-field to keep the viewer's interest. Instead, we get something resembling a third-rate straight-to-DVD thriller, gracelessly ripping-off "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" and serial killer stories. Worse, this episode seemed to be doing a poor job of ripping-off other Smallville episodes. The penultimate scene with Tess' assistant arriving to recruit the "Shadow Killer" was basically a re-run of the Tess/Bette scene in "Plastique" - only with an inferior script and poorer acting. And when Davis started talking about the darkness within him, I couldn't help thinking "didn't Lex say much the same to Clark back when they were still friends?" - swiftly followed by "isn't this what suspected psychotic killers always say in this sort of thriller?"

Actually, the Chlavis scenes were a big disappointment to me. Previously, Sam Witwer and Allison Mack appeared to have a really good chemistry, but it seemed largely absent here - although, the clumsiness of some of the dialogue in their scenes might not have helped. That said, it was a problem that extended to other members of the cast. With the exception of the aforementioned Phil Morris and Aaron Ashmore (who pretty much stole the episode for me), everyone else appeared to be oddly disengaged from the material. Where in "Committed", the performances helped to take a weak premise and make a "silk purse from a sow's ear", the longer "Prey" went on, the more it felt that the cast were simply going through the motions. I wouldn't describe Tom's, Allison's and Sam's performances as bad - far from it. But there were times when each of them left me feeling that their heart wasn't really in a scene.

The most damning thing I can say about this episode is that I watched it once, and didn't feel any inclination to watch it a second time - making this the first episode this season to make me feel this way. To be fair, I did watch it a second time, since I did wonder if I was being harsh in my initial judgement. However, the second viewing reinforced my original impression: it is a story that starts well, but then fades away into an mediocre time-passer that is worth watching once - but that's all.

mrw66855
10-25-2008, 11:17 AM
as always Cedric,,, i enjoyed reading your post :D:D
me to. keep it up smallville.

SueB
10-25-2008, 11:42 AM
Heck of a bashfest Jack, lots of revisionist history in real time too.

Thankfully you don't write the show.

disciples of zod
10-25-2008, 11:46 AM
i gave it an 8. the end just left me there, scratching my head. idk, the whole killer thing seemed sort of misleading, and to me, the end didn't really make much sense.

on the other hand, i think jimmy's getting really close to discovering clark, and i loved that it was a lee-way to next week's ep. can't wait for that one! also, mm's return appearance was great. hope to see him again soon.

~K

stenochick
10-25-2008, 12:20 PM
It is always a pleasure to read everyone's reviews. Cedric's are particularly entertaining.

Cedric wrote:
So the girl at the beginning carried a cross. The shadow thief only killed the old guy that Davis and Jimmy found. Davis killed the girl at the beginning and all the people at the Ace of Clubs. A very, nice twist by the writers. And ending it with Davis having the cross? I bet that got fans excited. Great cliffhanger. Great score. Great episode.

Actually Tess' girl told the MF that a nun was killed but that he was in an arcade at the time so he could not be the killer. She asked him to tell her where her onyx crucifix was if he was really the killer and he could not answer her.

Mary, the girl killed in the teaser was wearing a lightning bold pendant around her neck.


Jimmy was fantastic and again.. put him away from Chloe and he shines. She's like a blackhole to all his greatest attributes. My biggest regret for this episode besides Lois not being there is that there was not enough Jimmy and MM. They should have been in the episode more and Chloe a bit less. Otherwise, the episode rocked and got my emotions going.

I guess they are making the Chloe the new Lana.

HeartChakraBabe
10-25-2008, 12:26 PM
That's my opinion. I liked seeing J'onn, I loved the progression with Davis (I really felt like I was getting to know his character in this ep), I loved seeing Clark using his powers (the super-jump was awesome!) and generally being a fledgling Superman. I loved seeing Chloe giving Clark a talking-to about stealing her clients' names and accusing them just because of who they were, and I liked their make-up scene, where Clark admitted he was just afraid she would one day put her trust in the wrong person. Plus, it was nice not to have TPTB rubbing CLois in my face. Definitely my favorite since "Odyssey". In fact, I think I liked it even better. :) Do you think Jimmy will really discover Clark's secret?

alejandrita439
10-25-2008, 12:27 PM
I guess they are making the Chloe the new Lana.

NOOOOOOOOO, i love a lot the character of chloe :):):).... please dont turn her the new lana :(:(:(:(

La Donna
10-25-2008, 12:50 PM
Chloe could never be the new Lana. Never. And I'm not someone who hates Lana, and I still say Chloe could never be the new Lana.

And I still say that it was more effective in this episode to have Lois be absent from it so that Clark could be on his own as much as possible. That's coming from a Lois fan. For those of you who think she should have been in the episode, then where exactly do you think she could have in it?

Yasise
10-25-2008, 01:27 PM
I gave it a 6. Oddly enough, if I had judged purely on the first 10-15 minutes of the episode, I might have given it a nine. The opening scene at Chloe's support group might not have been great, but the idea of a killer that can only be glimpsed as a shadow speeding through the frame made for a highly effective teaser. Thereafter, we get Clark as the highly pro-active (if over-zealous) Good Samaritan, a rampaging "monster" destroying the Ace of Clubs, a bloodstained Davis and the Martian Manhunter as a detective (A huge cheer for this. I may be in a minority of one, but I've always felt that MM has seemed an unecessary, rather flatly-written character in his previous outings - this time, he actually felt like he had a purpose and Phil Morris' performance felt a little less "stiff" than it had before). So, why the drop from 9 to 6? Well, I found a piece today by British film critic Peter Bradshaw on why darkness is de rigeur in modern superhero movies. The following quote mirrors my own feelings.



In "Prey", from the midpoint onwards, "dark" quickly becomes "drab" and "dull". The episode desperately needs a greater variation in tone, some originality in the writing, an idea coming out of left-field to keep the viewer's interest. Instead, we get something resembling a third-rate straight-to-DVD thriller, gracelessly ripping-off "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" and serial killer stories. Worse, this episode seemed to be doing a poor job of ripping-off other Smallville episodes. The penultimate scene with Tess' assistant arriving to recruit the "Shadow Killer" was basically a re-run of the Tess/Bette scene in "Plastique" - only with an inferior script and poorer acting. And when Davis started talking about the darkness within him, I couldn't help thinking "didn't Lex say much the same to Clark back when they were still friends?" - swiftly followed by "isn't this what suspected psychotic killers always say in this sort of thriller?"

Actually, the Chlavis scenes were a big disappointment to me. Previously, Sam Witwer and Allison Mack appeared to have a really good chemistry, but it seemed largely absent here - although, the clumsiness of some of the dialogue in their scenes might not have helped. That said, it was a problem that extended to other members of the cast. With the exception of the aforementioned Phil Morris and Aaron Ashmore (who pretty much stole the episode for me), everyone else appeared to be oddly disengaged from the material. Where in "Committed", the performances helped to take a weak premise and make a "silk purse from a sow's ear", the longer "Prey" went on, the more it felt that the cast were simply going through the motions. I wouldn't describe Tom's, Allison's and Sam's performances as bad - far from it. But there were times when each of them left me feeling that their heart wasn't really in a scene.

The most damning thing I can say about this episode is that I watched it once, and didn't feel any inclination to watch it a second time - making this the first episode this season to make me feel this way. To be fair, I did watch it a second time, since I did wonder if I was being harsh in my initial judgement. However, the second viewing reinforced my original impression: it is a story that starts well, but then fades away into an mediocre time-passer that is worth watching once - but that's all.

I totally agree with all you've said. I so much thought that this season is going to be better than the last season, but this episode proved me wrong :( I hope though that this episode was an exception and next week they're on track again.........

So far, this episode was the worst for me this season.:(

Xanderman
10-25-2008, 01:36 PM
2/10 -- Such a lame episode of Smallville to me (particularly the first half). Here are the reasons why:

1. Topping the list is the "crime spree". Now that Clark is suddenly Superman-esque this season, naturally he is suddenly ultra-caring about saving/helping people everywhere, even listening to police radio broadcasts in his spare time. Lame as that is, nothing tops the lameness of that bully scene. I can't believe how unbelievably bad that was. The casting, the directing, everything. So bad.

2. This scene:
MM: "We can't save everyone, Clark."
Clark (passionately): "The moment I believe that is when I stop trying!"

So incredibly lame... Yeah you go, Superman-out-of-nowhere! Lol, great to finally see you, but where exactly were you the previous SEVEN YEARS? Lol, this line was a total lightswitch moment if there ever was one. Sorry but this line was just way too over-the-top "See? I'm Superman now!" for me to swallow, especially without ever really seeing the proper development for it.

3. Clark (to MM): "You know, I thought you'd be happy. I'm finally embracing my destiny, out there making a difference!"

^What was that? Lol almost sounded like a jab directed at fans who are "still complaining" about Smallville. Well on behalf of the complainers, our answer is: "And you should know, we'd be happier if it wasn't such a total freaking lightswitch." heh

4. Naked Davis. Yeah, I didn't need to see that. Lol, and a few episode before we had Oliver running around shirtless for half the ep. Again, didn't need to see that. Smallville isn't a daytime soap opera. Or then again, it is.

5. Backlot, backlot, and more backlot. This may have been ok if we were never given tastes of "real" city backdrops in the past, but since we were and it's in our memories of what "Metropolis" is supposed to look or feel like, the endless use of fake/studio city settings in place of the real thing just reeks of cheapness. It's expensive to do all the time, I get that, but at the same time the "dead/lifeless" feeling of the fake setting is making both Metropolis, and this series, feel just as dead/lifeless to me sometimes.

Anyway, this season hasn't been all bad, I did enjoy Committed and Plastique. But Smallville is such a frustratingly "safe" show, nothing is that surprising, original, clever or edgy, we are spoonfed almost everything with very little thought required. Maybe it was always this way, but this season feels that way more than any other. But I guess they "have" to spoonfeed us/outright tell us what we are supposed to think/believe all the time, given the amount of lightswitching that has happened. We need to be "told" in no uncertain terms that Lois and Clark are indeed and quite clearly destined to be together, and that Clark is in fact and quite clearly "Superman-ly", regardless of what came before in 7 long years. Otherwise how else can they make this likely-last season work. Damage control has its consequences.

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I totally agree with all you've said. I so much thought that this season is going to be better than the last season, but this episode proved me wrong :( I hope though that this episode was an exception and next week they're on track again.........

So far, this episode was the worst for me this season.:(I feel the same way.

Yasise
10-25-2008, 01:40 PM
I thought this episode was incredibly lame (especially the first half...ugh). The lamest scene being the one where that little white kid was being chased around the streets of Metropolis at night by two other white kids who looked like complete geeks but were supposedly bullies. That was easily one of the lamest scenes in Smallville history. I'll expand on all the other reasons why much of this episode was as lame as that bully scene was a little bit later. For now I'll say that Committed and Plastique are the only eps this season I've enjoyed and that didn't make me want to hurl (objects at my tv).

That's exactly what I thought about that scene, too. The acting of those kids was so forced and not believable *shudder*...:(


I only gave this ep a 7. I really wasn't that impressed with it. And I really didn't care for Chloe this time. I thought that she should be apolgizing to Clark and not the other way around. Yes he was a little obsessed, but he wasn't hurting anyone.

I was very unhappy with Chloe's line about her kids at least being brave enough to come forward, meaning she thought Clark a chicken and that really turned me off.

I have totally warmed up to Tess, but I just can't get there with Davis. I'm just not feeling it. And that was pretty much my take on the episode, I just wasn't feeling it.

Totally agreed. Actually I'm starting to get annoyed by Chloe, as she's always knowing everything better than Clark and she's always correcting him and telling him what he should do - is she his mother all of a sudden this season or what???

I soo much hate it, when everyone tells Clark what he should do or believe! :mad:


I didn't really like this episode, I give it a 4. I just found it to be predictable, and I never really got into it. I don't like the Davis character. I find his acting to be strange, like his facial expressions are forced and not how they should be in certain situations. Also, I'm starting to not even like Chloe. Yes that's right and she used to be my favorite character. She has changed so much from how she was in the early seasons.

Some of the good things: I like the good samaritan thing and how Jimmy is trying to find out who is doing it. There were lots of effects which is always cool. They had some mentions of the Justice League guys and Tess's new team of meteor freaks.

I know all the episodes can't be great, so I'm not too let down. Hope next week's is better. The preview looked good.

Yes, I hear you and I do hope, too, that next week's episode is going to be better again.

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2/10 -- Such a lame episode of Smallville to me (particularly the first half). Here are the reasons why:

1. Topping the list is the "crime spree". Now that Clark is suddenly Superman-esque this season, naturally he is suddenly ultra-caring about saving/helping people everywhere, even listening to police radio broadcasts in his spare time. Lame as that is, nothing tops the lameness of that bully scene. I can't believe how unbelievably bad that was. The casting, the directing, everything. So bad.

2. This scene:
MM: "We can't save everyone, Clark."
Clark (passionately): "The moment I believe that is when I stop trying!"

So incredibly lame... Yeah you go, Superman-out-of-nowhere! Lol, great to finally see you, but where exactly were you the previous SEVEN YEARS? Lol, this line was a total lightswitch moment if there ever was one. Sorry but this line was just way too over-the-top "See? I'm Superman now!" for me to swallow, especially without ever really seeing the proper development for it.

3. Clark (to MM): "You know, I thought you'd be happy. I'm finally embracing my destiny, out there making a difference!"

^What was that? Lol almost sounded like a jab directed at fans who who are "still complaining" about Smallville. Well on behalf of the complainers, our answer is: "And you should know, we'd be happier if it wasn't such a total freaking lightswitch." heh

4. Naked Davis. Yeah, I didn't need to see that. Lol, and a few episode before we had Oliver running around shirtless for half the ep. Again, didn't need to see that. Smallville isn't a daytime soap opera. Or then again, it is.

5. Backlot, backlot, and more backlot. This may have been ok if we were never given tastes of "real" city backdrops in the past, but since we were and it's in our memories of what "Metropolis" is supposed to look or feel like, the endless use of fake/studio city settings in place of the real thing just reeks of cheapness. It's expensive to do all the time, I get that, but at the same time the "dead/lifeless" feeling of the fake setting is making both Metropolis, and this series, feel just as dead/lifeless to me sometimes.

Anyway, this season hasn't been all bad, I did enjoy Committed and Plastique. But Smallville is such a frustratingly "safe" show, nothing is that surprising, original, clever or edgy, we are spoonfed almost everything with very little thought required. Maybe it was always this way, but this season feels that way more than any other. But I guess they "have" to spoonfeed us/outright tell us what we are supposed to think/believe all the time, given the amount of lightswitching that has happened. We need to be "told" in no uncertain terms that Lois and Clark are indeed and quite clearly destined to be together, and that Clark is in fact and quite clearly "Superman-ly", regardless of what came before in 7 long years. Otherwise how else can they make this likely-last season work. Damage control has its consequences.

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I feel the same way.

Thanks, and I agree with all you've said, especially with points 2, 3 and 5.

Actually I can't hear those totally supermanly sentences out of this Smallville Clark's mouth anymore! Why, because, as you've said it above, it so don't matches with what we saw the last seasons.

It still bothers me, that they speeded up his development to becoming The Superman this season in a lightswitch kind of way, but do they have to let Clark say those "supermanly" sentences all the time, again and again??

It feels so forced and it makes me feel silly, as if I was not able to understand that "our" Clark Kent is finally there, where he should have been already two seasons ago....:mad:

But well, let's see, what they come up with next week..........

SueB
10-25-2008, 01:57 PM
we are spoonfed almost everything with very little thought required

It's a little like the Producer's previews --- which come across as bedtime stories to little kids. Who exactly do they think the target audience is? Is this some George Lucas simplification thing because it needs to play overseas? IDK but when I say "heavy-handed" this is exactly what I'm talking about.

carrieszczepanski
10-25-2008, 03:17 PM
This episode was the best so far for this season, so I gave it a 10, like you didn't see that coming.

RedKRules
10-25-2008, 06:02 PM
I agree with Carrie, it was totally shipper angst drama free ...... and Davis rocked my socks :D !!!! the shower scene :eek: :eek: well like I was saying I really really liked this episode..... finally !!!

One-Winged-Angel
10-25-2008, 06:08 PM
I loved this episode and i REALLY hope they continue in this direction. It was fast-paced and logical (in smallville terms that is)

CK showed he has balls by stealing the list and is generally more assertive.

Martian Manhunter is back and his storyline is now correct and true to the comic.

Tess is NOT in the episode.

It was darker and more sinister.

The doomsday story keeps getting better and better.


Generally the writing is great in this episode! Now i actually hope there will be a season 9!

amandatay
10-25-2008, 06:17 PM
Totally agree, the doomsday is the best story arc, they should keep continue in this direction and should stop throwing those iconic ship.

chlarkdeanlovee
10-25-2008, 06:29 PM
Agree. I'm so glad this episode focused more on Doomsday/furthered the storyline and was devoid of the romantic/"iconic" (blech! the "I" word) crap. Very enjoyable, for me.

davidbrenton
10-25-2008, 06:43 PM
It hasn't been the best episode in a long time. I expected everything I saw in this episode and it was a very smart set-up episode.

BULLITT
10-25-2008, 07:02 PM
Nice, almost a gothic feel to it.

6-Super-Man -5
10-25-2008, 07:17 PM
I gave it a 9, I would of liked to see some Doomsday teases like in "Plastique" but whatever, this season is going great!

petitemimi
10-25-2008, 07:18 PM
I liked that episode. Shipper angst free episodes will always win bonus points with me. I consider the last 2 seasons to be a mistake for the most part, so I'm happy that they made a much needed transition, even if it's brutal. It certainly beats Clana barn scenes by a mile.
I think SW is very good in his role. And I love MM.

6-Super-Man -5
10-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Nice to see you like it. :)

lillie_poo_pod
10-25-2008, 07:24 PM
I don't hope for a season 9, but I agree that this has been the best episode in a while. The last episode I just really loved was Traveler everything else after that was just meh, including the first 5 episodes this season.

Wicked Lois
10-25-2008, 07:26 PM
It was a good episode. It got a lot of character building... and I saw Clark turning into something else than a farm boy. I loved the Doomsday thing, and Chloe was very grown up and great as always.

I am a Lois fan, but even though she wasn't in this one, the episode was something.

claudiss
10-25-2008, 09:09 PM
I don´t hope for a season 9 either. With everything that is happening I think PS3 are setting the end.

Back to the episode...the reason that made me love this episode so much is because Prey really showed a huge transition for clark becoming superman, he´s not ready yet but he´s getting closer and closer. He was obssesed at first about saving people and stuff,he learned that he needed to calm down ...and also about the double identity, the talk he had with MM about how he needs a cover...nice! this was an excelent setup for next episode.
Episode 6 and he is our "mistery hero"...in the series finale they´ll call him "superman"...nice episode really.

Oddysey, Plastique,and Prey...my favorites s8 episodes so far .

*sorry for my english

Blue Orange NY
10-25-2008, 09:18 PM
I've read everyone's response and still no one mentions it.....who is this group Tess is putting together? is it Legion of Doom?

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I agree about the locations, lol, all 5 places are the same, I even said **** it's the same street and Aces is the only club, I would not want to live there lol


I don't know actually what to think about this episode...I gave it a 5, because it didn't excite me at all while watching.

Maybe I'm weird, but it sort of disturbs me, that everytime they want to have a "Metropolis scene" they use the same "street" in every episode.

O.k. I got it, they don't have the highest budget this season, but is it really sooo expensive to have outdoor locations, like all the earlier seasons before? To show a more realistic Metropolis?

It's kind of boring to see the same "locations" in every episode:
the DP
the Isis foundation
the one, and seemingly, only street in the big city of Metropolis!
the hospital
the one and only club in Metropolis "Ace of..." whatever (I don't remember the name right now)
oh, and the apartment in the TalonI was positively surprised about this season at first, but actually I'm not impatiently awaiting the new episodes so much anymore - and that makes me immensely sad.

I loved to feel exited about every week's episode, but now I'm kind of starting to feeling more and more indifferent, and I'm as shocked about that feeling as one could be :(, because I used to be a huge fan of this show!

I still love Tom Welling, but Smallville....??? I'm just not so sure anymore :(

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yes I know, I felt like the epi in season 7 when they made it look like he would finally fly with Kara teaching him etc etc.....teased



I was expecting Doomsday not some shadow kid. sort of dissapointing but overall the episode was good. When Jimmy said over the walkie talkie "some kind of monster" I thought we'd see Davis for what he really is. Oh well. maybe he'll emerge later

Fallen One
10-25-2008, 10:27 PM
Brit... My intro was at Chimmy's expense :o. Sorry.

Alex, Matt, Stenochick ...always a pleasure.

The Lana-fying of Chloe does continue, but it hasn't matched the original- yet. In that scene where she marches to the DP accusing Clark of crucifying "her kids" that was 100% Lana right there. "Journalism is in her blood" is something I see a lot around the forum but the show says otherwise. Chloe's instincts are gone and have been since season 7 now. This week she was 0-2. Maybe she gets back on track next week.

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Heck of a bashfest Jack, lots of revisionist history in real time too.

Thankfully you don't write the show.

Revisionist history? In which way? The review was a bashfest? You're glad I'M not writing the show? :lol: Sue you openly root for the show to fail!

Needless to say I disagree. I gave it a 9. The worst episode of the season for me was Toxic, by quite a bit. Prey was a great episode.

kalelnica
10-25-2008, 10:51 PM
what I liked about the episode was the ending. keeps the story going and unresolved.

Jaderoyale
10-26-2008, 02:44 AM
Ah at last Cedric. I've been waiting for your review :D

Fallen One
10-26-2008, 02:45 AM
Its been up for 16 hours Jade lol.

I'll have next week's review up early. I can already tell that its going to be one of those episodes that I'll be anxious to write about asap.

individuall
10-26-2008, 10:19 AM
I'm late reading your review too Cedric I know blasphemy! LOL!
Though I didn't agree with some parts...It was wonderful as always! :D

President_Luthor
10-26-2008, 12:31 PM
Overall it was a good, story-driven episode that set up and pursued plotlines that could emerge in later episodes, including a trust issue between Chloe and Clark, this new team of superpowered juveniles that the Luthor-connected powers seem to be grooming, and Davis' role in all of this. And yes, a nugget of Jimmy/Chloe/Davis triangle hints (Clark/Chloe/Davis too?) for those who want 'ships. I prefer the story-driven eps., but I can tolerate the latter -- esp. now that Clana and Lexana are on hiatus.

Davis is gradually developing as a complex character and I'd say Jimmy better start stocking up on Valentine's Day gifts and setting an early wedding date. Somehow, I think it's Clark that'll mess up her walk down the aisle -- or Gabe could rush in and say that Jimmy didn't ask for her hand in marriage! :lol:

I understand the need to have these superpowered juveniles to further the story arc about the Luthor Team (Tess, Lex), but I guess I have FOTW fatigue. The recipe for meteor freaks this season should be 'use sparingly, with a dash of plot development'.

On a somewhat related note, the female Luthor lackey who investigated the poser-freak-killer was scrumptious. Yes, Ms. Mercer -- continue the hiring policy of employing steely, cute women lackeys. :p

I give it a generous 8/10, mostly for the emphasis on story. Two points docked for the small army of youthful meteor freaks. One is more than enough, now we have a mallrat legion of 'em. :\

Lis
10-26-2008, 03:39 PM
I totally loved the review Cedric. That was exactly what I needed to make my day. Thanks! :)
And I agree. Chloe was pretty annoying in this ep.
BTW, I missed Lois too.

tibbit78
10-26-2008, 04:39 PM
Prey:


I liked the super-jump that Clark made, and I thought to myself, "If he can do that high super-jump, then he can learn how to fly." I wonder who will teach him how to fly? Hopefully Kara (when Laura Vandervoort comes back on the show).

I hated Chloe & Clark fighting with one another. Sorry Chloe, I'll have to agree with Clark. Later, Clark apologizes for yelling at Chloe. I thought to myself, "Why does Clark have to apologize to Chloe all the time?" Why can't Chloe apologize to Clark for a change? Can't Chloe tell Clark that "she was out of line," for once; and that Clark was right and she was wrong?

I loved the Martian Manhunter & the Clark scenes. Terrific scene! It's great that Clark Kent wants to find a way to help the Martian manuhunter. Great script. Loved all the special effects!

Hoshi_Reed
10-26-2008, 05:03 PM
I've always looked at TV for more than entertainment and, though I loved Prey overall, I found it a bit disturbing that the episode did have Clark on the side of Racial Profiling. It is a hot button issue in today's society and having Clark siding with Racial Profiling as the correct path is a bit unsettling. I like that it wasn't one sided in that Chloe was the voice to the other side but Clark is the hero and shouldn't be "the cop pulling the nice car over just because the driver is black or the airport security searching a man just because he is Muslim." Also having Chloe backing down ("there is that") kind of appeared to condon Racial Profiling as a means to an end. But then many people DO hold that belief and would be HAPPY Clark took their side; and either way you lean, it gets one thinking/talking about the issue so it does it's job.

Other than that: YEAH for Jimmy being the one on the hunt for the new superhero in town. Davis is showing his true colors, Chloe is starting to gain a reasonable/explainable chip on her shoulder and attitude against Clark, John Jones has his badge, and Clark is on a warped/twisted path to his real destiny. Can't wait for everything to sort itself out and end on their correct, untwisted paths.

On the shallow: NAKED guys are cool; keep it up.

Lighting, production and plot all make it dark, the issues make it beyond entertainment, the character development make it good storytelling and the NAKED makes it good eye candy. All in all a 10 for covering all the bases.

monel49
10-26-2008, 05:29 PM
Best episode of the season. Almost a film noir style, lots of dark metallic blues--gritty city stuff--this ain't your kid's Smallville anymore. And the change has been great! Acting is better, stories are better and the addition of Doomsday is excellent in the tension/horror factor. Nice to see that Clark is looking more like Superman. Give this one a #10!

geminis
10-26-2008, 05:59 PM
Its been up for 16 hours Jade lol.

I'll have next week's review up early. I can already tell that its going to be one of those episodes that I'll be anxious to write about asap.

I was late to your review party as well, Cedric but it was good to the last drop in my opinion. And I'm going to hold you to that early review promise. I'm almost as anxious for your review as I am to watch the episode. But what I am particularly looking forward to is your review for Bloodline. Now that is guaranteed to be a winner!

And to reiterate, Prey was good. But more Martian Manhunter please. I'm also still feeling the loss of Bart. I want to see Bart run circles around Clark again and it would be hysterically funny to see Bart and MM together.

MsCali4Eva
10-26-2008, 08:26 PM
I waited way too late to vote and comment on this one, and it was tough to determine how I wanted to vote it, but I gave this episode the same vote as I did Odessey - which was a 5.

Cedric - I'm trying to do better with my overall view of the season thus far!! Your reviews are all ways a good read for the mind and souls of Smallville fans. :)


The Good
Clark's superjump and determination to find out the truth and to help others.
Davis introduction.
No Tess.
No Chloe - Jimmy interaction.
Martian Manhunter.

The Bad
The little kid getting "robbed". During that scene, I was thinking - what time is it??? It is way past that little boy's bedtime. And where were his parents?
And why did the streets look so vacant? The city never sleeps. I've noticed this "vacancy" with a lot of the night city scenes.
No Lois!!!???

The Ugly
Chloe and her righteous attitude. It was like she had amnesia regarding the last 7 seasons. It annoyed me that she was not thinking like a reporter at all and tried to act like she knew the MF's forever when Clark asked about her little Isis group. For Chloe to have Brainiac mental capibilities, she acted real stupid in this episode. Bbbbooooo!

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:confused:Question: In the comic books, didn't Brainiac create DoomsDay? Is this why Davis felt that there was some kind of "connection" to Chloe? Okay. This question probably should have been posted in a different location, but hey, I thought I'd ask anyway.

shamville
10-26-2008, 08:41 PM
Question is does davis know about brainiac? Wonding if davis know brainiac is inside chloe? Davis should know he not talk to the real chloe. Could put his feeling aside help clark fight brainiac.

Fallen One
10-26-2008, 08:42 PM
I was late to your review party as well, Cedric but it was good to the last drop in my opinion. And I'm going to hold you to that early review promise. I'm almost as anxious for your review as I am to watch the episode. But what I am particularly looking forward to is your review for Bloodline. Now that is guaranteed to be a winner!

And to reiterate, Prey was good. But more Martian Manhunter please. I'm also still feeling the loss of Bart. I want to see Bart run circles around Clark again and it would be hysterically funny to see Bart and MM together.

I knew I should have edited out that early review part!

Thank you Ann! I am greatly looking forward to Bloodline too. But for uh.. reasons that only us spoiled fans know.:lol: FEEL THE CHEESE!

MsCali4eva, I'm proud of ya.:cool: A lot of folks that are down about the season just gave up but you are sticking in there. I hope its paying off for you.

And about your question, it would spoil things if I answered it. I could do it in PM or I could send you a specific post that explains things further if you really want to know.

Dodge006
10-27-2008, 06:45 AM
:confused:Question: In the comic books, didn't Brainiac create DoomsDay? Is this why Davis felt that there was some kind of "connection" to Chloe? Okay. This question probably should have been posted in a different location, but hey, I thought I'd ask anyway.

No he didn't...

Refer to the "Superman, Doomsday, etc." thread, HalJordan4184 has his S*** wired and is bang on the money there.

magoo
10-27-2008, 06:45 AM
Not as good as last week. So is this Davis character supposed to be Doomsday or was it the shadow fella?

I didn't like Clark this week as he was acting very out of character and his obsession with fighting crime has developed too quickly.

7/10

Dodge006
10-27-2008, 06:51 AM
Not as good as last week. So is this Davis character supposed to be Doomsday or was it the shadow fella?

I didn't like Clark this week as he was acting very out of character and his obsession with fighting crime has developed too quickly.

7/10

Although I agree with you on this ep being not as good as the others...how can you say him fighting crime has developed too quickly? It's season 8!!! 8 years of building, preparing, learning, training....(and getting rid of Lana, lol). At what point would you say he should be fighting crime?

stenochick
10-27-2008, 07:06 AM
I didn't like Clark this week as he was acting very out of character and his obsession with fighting crime has developed too quickly.


IMO, Clark's obsessiveness was totally normal. As soon as you open yourself up to other people's trauma, pain, suffering, terror, etc., it effects you deeply. That's why people in those positions burn out and/or develop post-traumatic stress disorder unless they are able to get some balance and perspective in their lives, and develop a support system that can put them back together again after what they experience on a daily basis.

adromidon
10-27-2008, 08:32 AM
in the comics Doomsday was a Kryptonian project they were trying to create a being that could be immune to their weaknesses they did this by altering Kryptonian dna and constantly killing him with various elements that are weaknesses to Kryptonians then using the DNA from the body to make a new one and so on but what they did not plan on is memory being carried over each time he was remade until he finaly became a monster and at that point he would become immune to anything. He would die from it then when he reserected he was immune to it.

Due to the fact that Kryptonians kept torturing and killing him he holds a grudge against them and makes it a point to kill any he comes across.

So they trapped him in a pod and sent him into space where he eventually crashed into primitive earth and was trapped there for centerys until he was accidentaly awakened.

That is the comic book version anyway the Superman Doomsday cartoon had a slightly different spin on it

Tacitus
10-27-2008, 01:15 PM
Yeah, that's pretty much the Doomsdays origin story in a nutshell. I would like to correct you on just one small thing. Kryptonians didn't create him. He was created on Krypton though, but long before humanoid Kryptonians appeared. At that time, when Doomsday was being experimented on, Krypton's environment was very hostile and was populated with big animals/monsters.

jobookjunkie
10-27-2008, 02:33 PM
Cedric man, I love your reviews! Can't wait for what you say about Bloodline, looks like it will be a great episode.

Ok, I'm revising my opinion a bit about "Prey". I know that I said before it was brilliant and I gave it a 9, but I think that was just adrenaline + excitement + lack of brain engagement + too much caffeine that early in the morning + drooling over people in showers (..lol...).....

I have rewatched the parts where Chloe and Clark argue, and I'm sorry Chloe but what the heck?? Are you Clark's friend or not? Her self-righteous attitude really starts to grate after a while, and why has she started all of a sudden getting on Clark's back about what he's doing? Is she his mum or something? Her meteor freak support group has just started and she's setting herself up as Mother Teresa already. Why did Clark have to apologise? I was waiting on Chloe to apologise to him but it just didn't happen. Clearly Clark is more of an adult and a really nice guy too for him to do that even though he was right.

I'm not so bothered by Clark's apparent 'lightswitch' transformation into (sort of) Superman. After all, wasn't that why he took the job at the Planet? The reason that the otherwise infuriating season 7 was so effective was that it got rid of all the influences of Clark's old life (Lionel, Lana, Lex, the farm) and set up his new life (Daily Planet, Lois!, Superman), so I think it's about time that he started moving on. Six episodes into season 8 we've had the reporter Clark and the maybe-falling-in-love-with-Lois Clark, so Superman Clark is inevitable.

I'll be generous and give it a 7, mainly for Clark and Martian Manhunter (marry me Phil Morris!!) :lol:

Fallen One
10-27-2008, 07:18 PM
Thanks Kaitlynn. Glad I could help you out that morning Lis :D. Thank you too Sarah. Identity and Bloodline will be awesome.

Jaded Wolf
10-27-2008, 09:26 PM
Finally, this is what I have been waiting for with Smallville. Great episode!!! I just watched it online after missing it Thursday and I am glad I got to see it. Clark was Superman in it and I love he leaped a tall building with a single bound. Also, MM reference to "Super Friends" was awesome!

Clark is being aggressive in this episode which I think is great but hopefully he will wisen up as the season progresses to more level-headed. Clark's ambition is great but also overwhelming as would be the case for anyone who feels they have the weight on the world on their shoulders and is trying to figure out how to handle that.

The bad: Kind of misleading about the appearance of Doomsday but I cna overlook that for this episode. The other thing is I am a certified EMT-B and I know EMTs do not ride around on their own in an ambulance. There is always a partner with them. It's a nitpick but it's one I had to make.

dimeo782002
10-28-2008, 10:17 AM
I really enjoyed reading your review Cedric. I agree with you, Cedric. I agree that Chloe shouldn't have been nasty at Clark Kent. He was right, and she was wrong. I get tired of Clark always being the one who apologizes, when it should have been Chloe apologizing to Clark. (It'd be a miracle if she did apologize to him for the way she treated him). I loved seeing Clark saving the 2 thieves and the little boy.

I loved Clark's super jump! It was an awesome special effects. I think to myself, "If he can do a big super jump like that, then he could fly." Hopefully when Kara Kent comes back, she'll teach Clark how to fly. I loved Clark's quote, "Thanks Chloe, but sitting around with a bunch of strangers singing Kumbayah isn't exactly my idea of self help." When Chloe got mad at Clark for telling her he thinks it was a meteor freak, Chloe shouldn't have gotten offended. Thank God, Clark was smart enough not to listen to her.

I liked the Clark & MM scene, and thought that Tom & Philip had a great script, and they did a fantastic job! I never get tired of playing that scene over and over again. I feel the same way about Martian Manhunter & Jor-El being the only ones to lecture Clark about his super powers, him saving people, etc. Clark is risking his life saving people without wearing a mask or a disguise. Martian Manhunter was right when he told Clark how risky it is to use his superpowers, without thinking about the consequences, and that he does need a disguise to save people, without anyone seeing him.

I agree with you. They should have more Martian Manhunter, Lois Lane & Jimmy Olsen. I think Smallville would be much more exciting if Erica Durance, Aaron Ashmore and Philip Morris were in every episode. Sometimes Smallville is boring, because they don't have enough of Erica, Aaron & Philip. I understand having Tom Welling in every episode, but do they have to have Alison in every episode, too? (Don't get me wrong. I love Alison Mack, but I wish it could be equal for Erica, Philip & Aaron, also).

Great job, Cedric.


I think prey was great and i disagree with Cedrics view of the episode . Also Prey was good cause it did not have no romantic storyline anvils . davis and chloe is not a romantic anvil because of the chemistry between chloe and davis and the story writing makes it fit . but its not an anvil or a light switch but any way i beg to differ .

Alisson has earned the right to be in every epiosde and get second billing because she has been in the show for 8 years and this is smallville not superman !

lois lane and jimmy olsen have and will get there hey day in the future. if i want to see all of that i will get a comic book or rent all the superman movies and smallville should be the build up to that . just my opinion . Alisson is an asset to smallville because it is smallville not a comic book !

prey was awsome ! the story was not all over the place with un needed banter . I like smallville with seriousness and light humor this should be epic not senseless comedy .

this is a serious story about clark kent and his journey. i like comedy as much as the next person but there is too much of it sometimes at the expenses of other characters .

Yes lois is important but she is the future aka superman , i mean thats what all comic people keep saying so this is smallville the present and chloe is still alive and is clarks best friend. why shouldn't she be here ?

Jimmy and clark together was nice and lois could have been there, but there was really no place for her banter in this episode .

this episode was meant to be serious . im glad that they mentioned where she was at the truck show that was cool .

but i think the whole lois thing should not have anything to do with wether alisson is in all episodes or not . and i totally disagree that chloe was snotty and selfish at the planet. when she mentioned there dinner plans. i think she was making note verbally that clark is really into his superhero thing and could be burning himself out and she was smiling the whole time . she was not berating him or putting him down and she showed no anger once so ever that they skipped there plans .

She was being a little playful that is chloe as she has always been.

again just my opinion. to each there own , all the negative said about one i could say about the other too but still see the good points of a chracter . even is they are not my fave .

prey was the second best episode of season 8 imo because the love angst and anvils were getting to be a bit too much . but to each there own. hope everyone has a happy day can't wait for thursday it looks like a great episode and i think everyone will be in it so we can ALL be happy !:)