Superman Homepage Reviews Committed

[stenochick]

Here is the latest installment of Superman Homepage's version of Siskel and Ebert:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville8-ep05

And, as I predicted, Neil raked it over the coals and Douglas enjoyed it a lot. There are parts of Doug's review that I want to copy and paste here because I totally agreed with his thoughts, but I've already said how I felt about the episode in a bunch of threads, so why waste the space.

It is fun to see how different people can have such diverse reactions to the same episode and for so many different reasons.

Enjoy!

[Kalista]

Lois, did you cheat on Clark? "No!" ZZZZZZZZZZZRK!

Uh... they're not together. She didn't cheat on him.



This is how shippy this episode is. Lois loves Clark so much she CRIES rather than admit it, even though she's never shown any real sign until last episode that she cared at all. Because Lois Lane and Clark's relationship should start in a moment of psychotic dysfunction. Go team Venture!



Lois hops in the sack with simple flirting for good ole editor dude whose name I've already forgotten and mafia dudes, but she treats Clark like dirt. It's made to be.

Ain't it the truth.

[ShelbyKent]

Here is the latest installment of Superman Homepage's version of Siskel and Ebert:
It is fun to see how different people can have such diverse reactions to the same episode and for so many different reasons.
I enjoy reading Neal's and Doug's divergent opinions. Shippy/relationship episodes of any kind seem to set Neal on edge :lol: while Doug mostly doesn't mind. Kudos to Neal for taking time to patiently answering reader's questions

[Bizarrolover]

I have to admit that, in some points, I agree with both of them. Clark's almost miraculous deduction that the jeweler was the kidnapper, then blowing the door when he could have opened it with just one finger and Ollie shopping for jewelry in the same shop Jimmy does. But really I loved this chapter, so I will overlook all those details.

[SueB]

This episode, top to bottom, was nothing but shipper porn. Hate to put it that way, but that's what it was. Three separate shipper threads beat upon again and again for people to go and get their soap opera on. Surprisingly, I ain't having it. Or maybe unsurprisingly. Yeah. I'm gonna go with that.

Chloe and Jimmy. Lois and Clark. Ollie and Tess. What do these three things share? Instantly changing relationships with little or nothing to care about with regards to their substance beyond what given thing is changing in said relationship. Do we care that Chloe wiggles her nose a certain way at Jimmy? No. We care that they are breaking up this week, and not breaking up the next. This is what the show focuses on.

QFT.

I think Neal is channeling me.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Jimmy's lie about his parents is completely irrelevant to the plot, and not something that would have any bearing on what the daughter of a crap merchant

He's got a point.

[RedKRules]

Ain't it the truth.

So trueee!!! :lol:;)

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QFT.

I think Neal is channeling me.

:lol: I was thinking the same thing there! :lol:

[Kevin24]

I think Jimmy admitting the truth about his parent is important to the plot. It showed why he is the way he is. He was taught from a very young age to be insecure and feel inferior and that really explains his jealousy of Clark all the time.

It's the reason he is afraid to lose Chloe because he feels he doesn't deserve her because of where he came from. So, I disagree with that part of the review.

Clark figured out who the kidnapper was because the Jeweler said the exact same thing to him and lois while they were shopping at the store. Chloe told him that the jeweler said he wanted to solidify their marriage or something and the jeweler said that to him earlier. I think it was pretty obvious who it was after hearing that and Clark thought so too.

For one Lois and Clark have not openly admitted they love each other. Lois seems to be somewhat fighting her feelings for Clark and Clark is barely starting to realize her feelings for him. It's not moving to fast at all because they aren't together. The way it's going it will take a good while before either admits how they feel.

Falling in love doesn't have a timetable either. It just happens.

[dcmarriott]

Neal needs to realize that television shows are about relationships. People tune in every week to see what their favorite characters are doing, and the relationships between the characters are what makes the audience sympathetic or antagonistic twoards them. That's why soap operas have been a staple of television since the medium began. If Smallville didn't spend some time showcasing ships, it would be off the air in a heartbeat.

[Timester]

QFT.

I think Neal is channeling me.

You are an extremist anti-shipper now? :confused:

Because that's what Neal is, since day 1. He hates EVERY SINGLE SHIP that Smallville ever had.

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Anyway, Neal was wrong about one thing. Lois WAS lying, Clark was not her fiancé. She was trying to beat the machine by lying that fact.

[abbaspice1]

QFT.

I think Neal is channeling me.
Really?

Have you read what Neal thinks about other ships? Because if you haven't you may want to BEFORE jumping on his band wagon.

Because he doesn't like ANY of them. Not a one.

[Kal-ed]

Anyway, Neal was wrong about one thing. Lois WAS lying, Clark was not her fiancé. She was trying to beat the machine by lying that fact.

This guy is really not objective at all. The only answer that would have not gotten Clark buzzed was "We´r not even engaged".

And yes, Neal´s been antishipper for ever, he hates EVERY SINGLE SHIP.

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Neal needs to realize that television shows are about relationships. People tune in every week to see what their favorite characters are doing, and the relationships between the characters are what makes the audience sympathetic or antagonistic twoards them. That's why soap operas have been a staple of television since the medium began. If Smallville didn't spend some time showcasing ships, it would be off the air in a heartbeat.

Even comics, have ships, so I really dont get where this guy comes from??? From Dostoievski´s Crime and Punishment, Kundera´s Inmortality, Tool´s Confederacy of the Dunces, to Superman comics, whether or not its the main focus, romance is very important in literature and often its what makes something popular, Freud said it, its all about sexuality, whether we realize it or not, so romance and love, tend to be more apealing, cause people identify with one or more of the couples in a story or novel.

Im guessing Neal, had a bad hearbreak and does not want to hear anything about Love, or anything related cause deep down it hurts him, really Im an action packed fan but I dont mind romance here and there, at all, in fact its always a welcome bonus. He clearly is unable to see past the ships, he failed to see Clark being more proactive, using his powers and intelligence a lot more and chose to fucus completely on the ship, which, oddly enough he hates, he gives them too much importance for someone who claims to hate them.:lol:

Lets take the bets, he will love Prey.

[SueB]

Really?

Have you read what Neal thinks about other ships? Because if you haven't you may want to BEFORE jumping on his band wagon.

Because he doesn't like ANY of them. Not a one.

My preference for SV was the last year for Clark to focus on his identity, his profession, and codifying his moral code based on all that has happened in the past. The only major romance in SV was Clana and that is over. Chlark as definitely teased but they clearly have no intention of going there --- which makes them poopheads for teasing it in the first place. Even worse for the disrespectful way they've finished it. I'm interested in Chlark as BFF's and the best Scooby team on the planet. Clois should have been anvils-only and in Futureville.

Seriously, can this guy not go 1 year without romance? Is he that incapable of being by himself? Clark needed some alone time. Not pining, just personal non-ship development.

I wanted a ship-free S8 so he could become Superman. Instead I'm getting Superman w/out tights based on 3 mins in Odyssey. The rest of the time appears to be Clois hijinx, Clois angst, let's make Lois as obnoxious as humanly possible, and let's destroy the Chlark friendship for the sake of Clois.

The ONLY worthwhile thing thus far in S8 is that Clark is acting more proactive (although he tolerates Lois' berating far too much for my tastes) and is solving crimes on his own.

Other than that S8 has been a Clois shipper's heaven. They completely sullied his entrance into the DP --- something that I really wanted handled much better. And no, I'm not going to get over that. And no, them suddenly backpedaling by calling him a copy boy isn't going to cut it either. He needs to learn how to be a reporter and not from loathsome Lois as she's still not much of a reporter herself (presumed the kid was guilty in Plastique because he had a track record, berated a 70 year old as an interrogation techinque, played a dirty pool trick on Clark and used him as a source for the story without his knowledge in Plastique). The only worthwhile reporting she appears to have done thus far is provide the Doomsday anvil in Toxic. Clark needs a real mentor, preferably some night classes on journalism, and to be shown actually drafting a story for an editor (not the self-appoint, story stealing Lois).

Seriously, I want a Clark ship-free S8. I want nothing but development. Send Lois on assignment until that is done as she now is completely pining for him and thus all stories are shipper stories for her.

[borednow]

I think Jimmy admitting the truth about his parent is important to the plot. It showed why he is the way he is. He was taught from a very young age to be insecure and feel inferior and that really explains his jealousy of Clark all the time.

It's the reason he is afraid to lose Chloe because he feels he doesn't deserve her because of where he came from. So, I disagree with that part of the review.

Clark figured out who the kidnapper was because the Jeweler said the exact same thing to him and lois while they were shopping at the store. Chloe told him that the jeweler said he wanted to solidify their marriage or something and the jeweler said that to him earlier. I think it was pretty obvious who it was after hearing that and Clark thought so too.

For one Lois and Clark have not openly admitted they love each other. Lois seems to be somewhat fighting her feelings for Clark and Clark is barely starting to realize her feelings for him. It's not moving to fast at all because they aren't together. The way it's going it will take a good while before either admits how they feel.

Falling in love doesn't have a timetable either. It just happens.

Thank you I 100% agree with everything you said.

Jimmy's confession was a piece of characterization which was way more important then any one episode crazy jewelry man arc.... he's Jimmy freakin' Olsen! Right up there with Clark Kent, Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen! He's a freakin' icon! Showing us where he comes from and why he is the way he is in a prequel to the superman days? who'd want that? :rolleyes:

[abbaspice1]

My preference for SV was the last year for Clark to focus on his identity, his profession, and codifying his moral code based on all that has happened in the past. The only major romance in SV was Clana and that is over. Chlark as definitely teased but they clearly have no intention of going there --- which makes them poopheads for teasing it in the first place. Even worse for the disrespectful way they've finished it. I'm interested in Chlark as BFF's and the best Scooby team on the planet. Clois should have been anvils-only and in Futureville.

Seriously, can this guy not go 1 year without romance? Is he that incapable of being by himself? Clark needed some alone time. Not pining, just personal non-ship development.

I wanted a ship-free S8 so he could become Superman. Instead I'm getting Superman w/out tights based on 3 mins in Odyssey. The rest of the time appears to be Clois hijinx, Clois angst, let's make Lois as obnoxious as humanly possible, and let's destroy the Chlark friendship for the sake of Clois.

The ONLY worthwhile thing thus far in S8 is that Clark is acting more proactive (although he tolerates Lois' berating far too much for my tastes) and is solving crimes on his own.

Other than that S8 has been a Clois shipper's heaven. They completely sullied his entrance into the DP --- something that I really wanted handled much better. And no, I'm not going to get over that. And no, them suddenly backpedaling by calling him a copy boy isn't going to cut it either. He needs to learn how to be a reporter and not from loathsome Lois as she's still not much of a reporter herself (presumed the kid was guilty in Plastique because he had a track record, berated a 70 year old as an interrogation techinque, played a dirty pool trick on Clark and used him as a source for the story without his knowledge in Plastique). The only worthwhile reporting she appears to have done thus far is provide the Doomsday anvil in Toxic. Clark needs a real mentor, preferably some night classes on journalism, and to be shown actually drafting a story for an editor (not the self-appoint, story stealing Lois).

Seriously, I want a Clark ship-free S8. I want nothing but development. Send Lois on assignment until that is done as she now is completely pining for him and thus all stories are shipper stories for her.

Just wondering if you would feel the same way if PS3 promoted a romantic Chlark this season?

[SueB]

Just wondering if you would feel the same way if PS3 promoted a romantic Chlark this season?

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Clark is not ready for another serious relationship right away without it being a rebound. This guy lives for hundreds of years as far as he knows. He should really take time to put his relationship with Lana in perspective. There is nothing wrong with a breather. And it's not that I don't think Chlark could have had a relationship some years down the line (if there wasn't the dictates of the ICONIC! requirements to fulfill) --- to me it's fairly obvious that TPTB set them up to go that route if they wanted to. It's fairly standard Hollywood fare (listen the the trite "If We Were A Movie" song by Miley Cyrus). In fact, it's almost cliche that you fall for the best friend in the end. But they ran out of time to do anything along this path and they made the Chlark friendship too intense as well. Specifically, given the Chlark intense "more than friends" history, a casual "let's try this out" relationship is not really an option --- that option passed many many moons ago. With only 1 year left, a romantic Chlark would most likely result in Chloe's death IMO or some sort of drastic ending to their relationship. They were simply too close to get together, decide it doesn't work, and part amicably in just 1 year. Since they have to leave room for the mythos anvils, it isn't going to happen -- no matter how much TPTB said "keep waiting" (again, making them shmucks). Perhaps if they had 2 years they thought they could do this --- but I think the show is waaaaaayyyyy too long in the teeth for that. It needs to end this year (in fact, because of the way they've accelerated past his development as a reporter --- I think they've stayed too long at the fair). Regardless, if they couldn't make a real relationship and then part both alive but on good terms --- what a bad ending for both Chloe and Clark after such a long partnership! A romantic Chlark that ended in death or drastic ending which forever eliminated their bond is not what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a continuation of their trusting and supportive relationship (which doesn't mean Clark can't get answers himself BTW) for the long term. And as for those who say "Chloe isn't in the mythos, she has no future". Ask me if I care. Honestly, I don't care what has happened in the comics books in the past. They rewrite and reboot those things every couple of years. If they want Chloe to fit, they could figure out a way. Apparently Lois falling for Clark first (before he falls for her and before he is Superman) is not a big deal. Why couldn't Chloe's addition into the series be handled as well?

Anyway, that's the long answer. In sum, no, I don't want Clark to have any romantic relationship this last year (Clois or Chlark). Clana is too painful to return realistically, it's time to move on with dignity and in a way that shapes their long-term relationship in a positive fashion. Anvils for Lois at the end of the series was all that was ever necessary for the Superman prequel. What a cop-out that they are cramming that into the show in 1 year. I don't buy it and it doesn't help that the choices they've made for Lois' character have made it even more of a farce for the SV Clark they've shown over the years to me. Focus on Clark's development instead. Make it clear how and why he chose the suit and a public persona, what exactly is his moral code he's going to live by. For pity's sake, repair the damage done to his reporter start so it looks like he is actually going to be a reporter --- not just that TW needed to be on the DP set so we put him there. Smallville was not "how does Superman get with Lois Lane". It was about Clark Kent. Move Lois to the background again and let's have Clark alone time.

[Timester]

Where on Smallville Lois and Clark is now a couple? :confused:

IF there will be any romantic ship this year with Clark involved it will be Clana (again), and even that is for a short period.

[stenochick]

It's easy to see what pleases Neil and turns Neil off. So far for season 8, he has given the following ratings:
Odyssey - 5
Plastique- 4
Toxic - 1
Instinct - 1
Committed- 1

He likes when the story revolves around the mythos: Clark making inroads towards becoming Superman and being placed in believable situations involving action in which Clark can be the hero.

Of course, I am oversimplfying what goes on in his head, but basically he has no time for soap opera and ships simply for their own sake. If they play a small part of the main plot or serve to show Clark's maturation or development, then they have their place. Otherwise, they have no place in the Superman universe.

[Dor el]

Wow. Neal doesn't like any relationships? Really? Is he a eunuch? Just wondering because it seems to me that relationships are what the whole world is about? Good relationships? Bad relationships. Compatible relationships. Incompatible relationships. Likely, unlikely, forced, relaxed, casual, business......

What movie or tv show is completely devoid of relationships? "Caused I must have missed 'em.

That Clark does not like or want to be alone is not and I repeat not a new revelation. In fact on multiple occasions, Clark has made this clear. I believe that Clark is still stinging from Clana. I also believe that that simple farmhouse is a very lonely place right about now. Shelby is the only nurturer in Clark's life. Ma Kent is gone. Lana is gone. Chloe is out of reach. Alicia is still dead. Who does Clark have to seek companionship with except Lois who is also still stinging from a recent previous relationship? The old adage "misery loves company" is applicable here. Neither Lois nor Clark are looking for love at the moment. But their work and personal situations are throwing them together. I think it is only "human" to take comfort or refuge when comfort or refuge are available. Nurse each other's wounds. Doesn't mean they are jumping in the sack right away. It merely indicates that Clark and Lois are hurting and need some TLC. There is enough humanity in Clark for me to believe that he needs companionship as all people do. Lois is 100% red blooded American woman. Her drinking herself silly, alone, at Chloe's engagement party, I think was a symptom (among others) of Lois' loneliness and her realization that Chloe would be less available to her. Not so new mathematical equation: one lonely person + one lonely person=relationship. For me, any other answer would be harder to believe.

Since Clark has been held back by Al/Miles, PS3 have some ground to make up. Clark is progressing quite nicely, thank you. (Though I agree that a little more progress over the past years would have been nice.) When he didn't use his reasoning skills, he was criticized. Now that he used all the information available to him and intuitively figured out where Lois was being held; he was criticized. What the crap? Can he do nothing right? With the umbilical cord cut between Clark and Chloe, Clark has to figure things out for himself and I thought his deduction about the jeweler was right on.

Superman is not an island. He deeply cares about people and he wants to relate to them. Same for SV Clark. About Lois's admission that she loves Clark. So what? There are many people whom I love that I would want to try and prevent them from being hurt. I might even get emotional as did Lois if I feared that my answer would cause them to be hurt. I like to think that part of being human is caring about other's well being. Why would Lois want to hurt Clark or anyone else?

Do I want full out Lois and Clark love fest? Nope, but I see no harm in letting them explore that possibility.

[SueB]

Where on Smallville Lois and Clark is now a couple?

It's fairly unambiguous --- Lois is the love interest of S8. Whether formally a couple, she's in the position on the show. In fact, "love interest" is Lois' entire plot at this point -- she's in love with Clark (per her confession) and now has to deal with these feelings while Clark remains as vague as ever with sufficient nods to the Clois shippers for them to declare he loves her already. Now if there wasn't the mythos, it could be ignored as yet another woman in Clark's orbit. Since we know the final solution is Clois, this is just the preliminaries.

[gem65]

I have to admit that, in some points, I agree with both of them. Clark's almost miraculous deduction that the jeweler was the kidnapper, then blowing the door when he could have opened it with just one finger and Ollie shopping for jewelry in the same shop Jimmy does. But really I loved this chapter, so I will overlook all those details.

I don't think it was an miraculous deduction on Clarks part. The jeweler said the same exact thing to both couples about the bond between a husband and wife. That's how Clark figured it out. I kinda of agree about blowing the door down. As for Oliver being in the same shop at the same time - well - I can't really explain that one. But Oliver did give Tess some jewelry towards the end of the episode.

[Timester]

It's fairly unambiguous --- Lois is the love interest of S8. Whether formally a couple, she's in the position on the show. In fact, "love interest" is Lois' entire plot at this point -- she's in love with Clark (per her confession) and now has to deal with these feelings while Clark remains as vague as ever with sufficient nods to the Clois shippers for them to declare he loves her already. Now if there wasn't the mythos, it could be ignored as yet another woman in Clark's orbit. Since we know the final solution is Clois, this is just the preliminaries.

There is nothing unambiguous about Clois in season 8, they are not a couple. They already dealt with that feeling ILL-style, she denied them and Clark was supportive of that deny.

The end.

[morrigan01]

There is nothing unambiguous about Clois in season 8, they are not a couple. They already dealt with that feeling ILL-style, she denied them and Clark was supportive of that deny.

The end.

PS3 specifically said before the season started that Lois and Clark would be unable to deny that their are feelings between them, but that acting on those feelings was a different story.

That was proven correct in this episode, especially on Lois' end. Having feeling and acting on those feelings are two different things.

As I said before, the way some are going on about this, you'd think they'd become a couple and started dating at the end of the episode. :rolleyes:

[Timester]

That was proven correct in this episode, especially on Lois' end. Having feeling and acting on those feelings are two different things.

Exactly.

[Jade4813]

I don't think it was an miraculous deduction on Clarks part. The jeweler said the same exact thing to both couples about the bond between a husband and wife. That's how Clark figured it out. I kinda of agree about blowing the door down. As for Oliver being in the same shop at the same time - well - I can't really explain that one. But Oliver did give Tess some jewelry towards the end of the episode.

I have concluded that Ollie shopped in the same store as Jimmy not because Jimmy was able to buy something so much out of his price range as Ollie has become cheap in buying off his one night stands. ;)

[abbaspice1]

It's fairly unambiguous --- Lois is the love interest of S8. Whether formally a couple, she's in the position on the show. In fact, "love interest" is Lois' entire plot at this point -- she's in love with Clark (per her confession) and now has to deal with these feelings while Clark remains as vague as ever with sufficient nods to the Clois shippers for them to declare he loves her already. Now if there wasn't the mythos, it could be ignored as yet another woman in Clark's orbit. Since we know the final solution is Clois, this is just the preliminaries.

But that has ALWAYS been the case. Everyone who knows even a tiny bit of the mythos knows that Lois is endgame, the one, Clark's soulmate, etc. So why are people upset?

[LaneKent-Hero]

But that has ALWAYS been the case. Everyone who knows even a tiny bit of the mythos knows that Lois is endgame, the one, Clark's soulmate, etc. So why are people upset?
Lois has always and will always be ENDGAME.

People who are upset want to change history, and they can't.

Sorry.

This season is great. It cannot be what it could have been because AlMiles ruined SV a while back with their incessant clana and their chlark droppings. These two were never meant to be and will never be. Now, something that has ALWAYS and WILL ALWAYS be seems rushed.

Well, folks, its only rushed because AlMiles tried to change destiny.

Thankfully they've been replaced, and just in the nick of time.

Will this show's Lois and Clark ever be what they SHOULD and HAVE always been? No, but it's not their fault.

All ships of SV suck. Let's be honest. They are dysfunctional and soap-operaish.

Even the "Charlk" friendship that keeps on being tossed as "pure" is tainted or have we all CONVINIENTLY forgotten that the girl sold clark out to Lionel?

That friendship isn't pure.

Clark has always USED chloe for his convenience and has left her for Lana time and time again.


So I will state this again, all ships suck.

So in a way, Neal is right.

But anyone thinking that Neal is supporting their ship is mistaken. The man hates all SV ships. Even yours. Trust me.

[Jade4813]

Well, folks, its only rushed because AlMiles tried to change destiny.

I respectfully disagree on this point. I don't think they wanted to change destiny to the extent that they wanted Clark to end up with anyone else or planned on having him end up with anyone else. In a pre-"Apocalypse" interview, they said that no matter the universe, Clark and Lois were destined to be together. I don't think they were respectful of that, but I don't think they were really planning on "rocking the mythos" to any degree. Their engine was just permanently set on "stall."

I do think they wanted to inflate Clana beyond what it has been in the comics, and I think they were also cruel enough to want to string Chlark along when they weren't planning on going there. :\ But I don't think they ever planned on having Clark end up with Chloe OR Lana at the end. I think they just liked playing their games.


But anyone thinking that Neal is supporting their ship is mistaken. The man hates all SV ships. Even yours. Trust me.

:lol: This, however, made me laugh! :D

[thebog1]

Jade, read the text beneath your title of 'boardmaster' in a 'quick read'... first glance, I thought it said 'there's no 'ho' in Clois', lol. Maybe it's just me but that's what I thought it said on the first glance. Had to reread it to find out it's just an h without an o... lol.

[Jade4813]

:lol: Well, there's not one of those either, I suppose! ;)

[geminis]

I have concluded that Ollie shopped in the same store as Jimmy not because Jimmy was able to buy something so much out of his price range as Ollie has become cheap in buying off his one night stands. ;)

Oooh,:eek: tin hat cymbal crash, :rotfl: touche, touche!

I think both the Chloe/Jimmy scenes and the Tess/Oliver scenes revealed a lot. Jimmy has abandonment issues due to never knowing his mother; no wonder he has a hard time with women. No healthy mother figure to nurture him and then when he's old enough, wean him so he's eventually ready for a healthy adult relationship thanks to good old mother nature. And Chloe still has Clark planted firmly on that pedestal; poor Jimmy doesn't stand a chance against the Man of Steel. I'm sure Clark is probably permanently welded there no matter how much Chloe protests and proclaims about sunsets and dungeons.

And Tess and Oliver; now there is an unhealthy relationship, very fitting for Ms. Luthor wannabe. No wonder Oliver admits he was scared of her. He's right on target; their first meeting was marred by tragedy. Despite still wanting to save her, she will always be jaded, envious and scarred by his failure to save everyone and his success in being accepted back into the Queen dynasty. Kind of similar to Lex, jaded, envious, and scarred by Clark and his picture perfect family and dismissed and shunned by the Luthor legacy, despite being the protege.

[eas]

I respectfully disagree on this point. I don't think they wanted to change destiny to the extent that they wanted Clark to end up with anyone else or planned on having him end up with anyone else. In a pre-"Apocalypse" interview, they said that no matter the universe, Clark and Lois were destined to be together. I don't think they were respectful of that, but I don't think they were really planning on "rocking the mythos" to any degree. Their engine was just permanently set on "stall."

I agree. Even now, in S8, I do think that PS3 are staying true to AlMiles' vision.

They're just... ahem... doing it better than AlMiles would do it. Their Clark Kent is more pro-active and heroic & they're focussing on Clark moving forward in both his personal and professional life.

AlMiles would've gotten here eventually... it just would have been in the last two episodes of the series. LOL

[kal-el_Girl]

I couldn't agree more! The episode was so awful! yet I'm still waiting for the next one =)

[geminis]

The Al/Miles engine was not only on stall, it was grounded. By Lana as Clark's copilot. But with season 8 a fresh wind is blowing and Lois has relieved Lana as Clark's copilot. They'll be lifting off a lot sooner thanks to PS3. Who knows what the open sky of next year holds for the reporting team extraordinaire.

[SueB]

Timester, your definition is far to narrow. Committed was a Clois ship episode (actual, more like a fanfic as it was so ship heavy and contrived). Whether or not they were dating was not the issus.. we were tortured with at least 20 mins of ship stuff. As for abbaspice and LaneKent, you clearly didn't read my entire post. I don't want Clark actively invilved in any ship plot. There should have not been any expectation of anything more than anvils prior to him becoming Superman. When they COMPLETELY rush his entrance into journalism so they can have ship time...I'm against it. Clois should and will happen ..in Futureville where it belongs. I was Clark ship free this year and I think that is both consistent with a prequel and supports the mythos.

[kiariclois]

Apparently this Neal person's review is more on Ships when there are some points that worth to be mentioned. All he did there is complained and very unprofessional.

And why is it people always (maybe just this Neal) complained about Lois showing her cleavage? Because it's noticeable than the other girls? :rolleyes: Chloe wore something "revealing" when she was working earlier in season 6 -- but I don't see people complaining. :\

[ShelbyKent]

I have concluded that Ollie shopped in the same store as Jimmy not because Jimmy was able to buy something so much out of his price range as Ollie has become cheap in buying off his one night stands. ;) I'm taking a more practical route. Since there seems to be only one bendy street in Metropolis, stands to reason there's only one jewelry shop in the dang place :p

[SnowBird]

The Al/Miles engine was not only on stall, it was grounded. By Lana as Clark's copilot. But with season 8 a fresh wind is blowing and Lois has relieved Lana as Clark's copilot. They'll be lifting off a lot sooner thanks to PS3. Who knows what the open sky of next year holds for the reporting team extraordinaire.

I don't know if this has been brought up with so many threads on Lois and Clark but your remark about Lana as Clark's copilot reminded me of the loft scene between Lois and Clark. He says to Lois that he might miss finding his soul mate. I think in the earlier seasons Clark thought Lana was his soul mate, and now Clark has decided that Lana is not his soul mate. This was an interesting confession for me. It means that Clark is starting to heal from being hurt by Lana.

As far as A/Miles. I think there was a commentary that said that Smallville was set up for Lana and Clark romance. Even when they were with other people, it would always return to Lana and Clark as a couple. It took a change at the helm for this to end. 7 years was definately enough and now it is good to see Lois and Clark getting feelings for each other.

Love the open sky remark. Maybe before Smallville ends, Clark will fly Lois into the open sky.

[Timester]

Timester, your definition is far to narrow. Committed was a Clois ship episode (actual, more like a fanfic as it was so ship heavy and contrived). Whether or not they were dating was not the issus.. we were tortured with at least 20 mins of ship stuff.

Far too narrow? I'm not the one using Neal's extreme anti-shipping to make a point. Clark, the star of the show, was involved in 3 mins of shipping (the Lois' confession) and it wasn't even from his part. That's it. That's what matter.

Was the rest of the episode about ships? Yes, but I DON'T CARE. I only care about Clark.