Chloe Beat The Lie Detector

[OutlawAdamKnight]

It's only a theory. But in order to defeat the lie detector and avoid most Olsen-shockage, we got a LONG cut to the computerized lie detector with Chloe staring at it before answering "honestly".

I know, I'm likely stretching, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw that cut-away. You'll note we didn't get one like it when Lois was forced to confess.

Thoughts?

[Queenrocks77]

I thought about that myself.

[Kalista]

I agree with you.

[VickiLVCM]

I was thinking the same thing. Because of what Brainiac did, maybe she was able to beat it some how. :)

[RedKRules]

I believe Brainiac is inlove with Jimmy, not Chloe :lol:, I mean tricking a poor lie detector machine like that one .... would be piece of cake for him!

[Shadowlord367]

I wonder if the reason for the long cut-away is just because it was trying to build suspense, because we all figured that Chloe would say "No" and lie, or say "Yes." Either way, she would have been screwed. So instead it was a shocker that she said no and still told the truth.

Hey, your guess is as good as mine.

[Lara Lane]

I don't think so... what kind of advantage would Brainiac get from saving Jimmy?

[hanemg]

I wonder if the reason for the long cut-away is just because it was trying to build suspense, because we all figured that Chloe would say "No" and lie, or say "Yes." Either way, she would have been screwed. So instead it was a shocker that she said no and still told the truth.

Hey, your guess is as good as mine.

I agree with you. And think about it, if Brainiac were really in control then what would he gain by doing things that way? Even if it were just to escape then why continue the farce later on? Is Brainiac in love with Jimmy? :lol:

Seriously, if Brainiac were really in control you would think he would want to distance him/herself completely from others that would recognize the change in Chloe not still hang out with them and invite someone to even marry him/her.

[migo]

I was thinking that as well. If she's a highly sophisticated computer she should be able to beat it. The other explanation is she's used to lying, and she's keeping Clark's secret, not her own, so she isn't saying anything to hurt Jimmy, wouldn't be feeling guilt over it and her body wouldn't change. You can bet Lex would easily beat the test.

[OutlawAdamKnight]

Don't think BRAINIAC beat the lie detector, only CHLOE using the "Brainiac Computers / Electronics Are My Collective *****es" abilities

[kal-el returns]

I don't think so... what kind of advantage would Brainiac get from saving Jimmy?

it was actually more of saving them both or chloe espeically. if the crazy guy determined that chloe and jimmy werent right for each other then he would of shot and killed both of them. Brainiac needs chloe's body

[Serynarpc]

I have an issue with the lie detector test being taken as Gospel. It isn't. They are notoriously unreliable and aren't admissible in court. It came up in a few of my Soc classes that all they do is measure stress reactions- so if you suddenly remember that you left the oven on, you're screwed. You can also 'trick' them by faking stress responses (such as stepping on a tack).

Personally, I can't accept that Chloe doesn't love Clark. There was no Tempest or Lana in the loft kiss that would swing Chloe's feelings one way or the other. She's been in love with him (hence the Vessel kiss) and picked up with Jimmy about two hours after that.
Now I can understand that Chloe has accepted that Clark doesn't feel that way (although personally, it seems to me that the more Chloe accepts that ship has sailed such as showing him the letter and assuring him that she's over him, the more Clark looks confused and uncertain) and buried it. She found a guy who does love her and who doesn't want to nuke the world or a sociopath who likes to throw her off bridges. She has a right to be happy and make a life with someone who loves her. She can't wait for Clark to make a move for another five seasons (as I don't think Chlark had a chance until season 3). Clark wasted too much time chasing Lana, he's toasted that Chloe has a guy who makes her a priority in her life and now he cans ettle in for being called 'muffin'.

[kiariclois]

Very unlikely --

[Spike84]

Can I say something...in the last episode, Chloe's line of "you blew it bud" was the best line they have given her in a long time, because it actually SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING A GIRL IN HER EARLY 20's WOULD ACTUALLY SAY! Ever since Dawson's Creek, these shows have been giving people that are supposed to be in their teens and early 20s dialog that is completely unrealistic. I get SO sick of listening to it. Given them normal lines, NO ONE TALKS LIKE THAT!

/rant(and sorry, this is my biggest pet peeve)

[Liquid-Prince]

No, it's because everyone expected Chloe to admit that she still had feelings for Clark. When she said she didn't love anyone else it was sort of shocking because it was unexpected. I know I didn't know what to expect. Same deal with the Jeweler asking Lois 3 times whether he loved Clark. To build suspense.

[kiariclois]

Chloe has moved on -- I guess. :lol:

[bobsuncorp]

personally, it seems to me that the more Chloe accepts that ship has sailed such as showing him the letter and assuring him that she's over him, the more Clark looks confused and uncertain)

BDA always looks confused and uncertain....

I agree with Liquid-Prince, Chloe said no because we were expecting her to say yes, not because she messed with the lie detector. I reckon she could have messed with a more modern one (we haven't seen her use one "wirelessly" before now but in extreme stress that could be a possibility) but not one that old. Chloe would probably make a clever wordplay comment about analogue and digital right now.

What did occur to me while watching is that I'm pretty sure it is Canon that Superman can control his heart rate and respiration and so would be able to fool the machine. Now I don't know if this is a Kryptonian ability or if Clark is just supposed to be so enlightened that he can do that stuff the same way Fakir's etc can do it (maybe from his world travels).

Having said all that I honestly don't think that they would have done it, because it then would have needed explanation, it was probably simpler to have Clark escape at that point.

[abbaspice1]

Um,,,Brainiac can communicate with computers, not control them.

The lie detector was NOT a computer.

Therefore, Chloe did not control the lie detector. She told the truth. She loves Jimmy.

[baltazor]

There wasn't any indication that Chloe could beat the machine or that there was any reason to do so.

[Billy Jor-El]

There was a reason to beat the machine if she knows deep down she does love Clark, and by admitting it she hurts Jimmy, and by lying she hurts Jimmy. I wondered on another thread about Chloe beating the lie detector because of Brainiac. What does B get out of it? If he has any consciousness perhaps not wanting his vessel to be destroyed; but on the other hand if he was in more control of her, then yes, it's true she's not in love with anyone else....Brainiac doesn't love Clark, so it was a true response.

I vote that Chloe's mental skills, and the fact that she was controlling them, not B, helped her beat the machine, and yeah, it's tough to believe that she doesn't love Clark, "you blew it, Bud" or not (and, uh, yeah, he sure did blow it ;) )

[chlo-el]

I really do think that Chloiac beat the lie detector. I could beleive she loves Jimmy. But to say she doesn't have any feelings for Clark is a lie. I bet somehow she used her power to cheat the machine.

Or she's just a really good lier. There are some people lke secret agents who can beat it. And Chloe has such experience with lying that perhaps she could do that too.

[Watching Smallville]

Chloe is smart enough to beat a lie detector. So I don't know whether she told the truth or not.

[RedKRules]

I agree with you Watching Smallville

[smlvlchk]

It seems like the consensus is that Chloe had to have beat the lie detector because she has feelings for both Clark and Jimmy.

Season 7 was, if nothing else, a definite change in the Chlark relationship. Since Chloe learned Clark's secret she seems to have wholeheartedly put her love for Clark in the friendship bin. After rewatching season 2 it's clear that Chloe's character used to thrive off the angst and drama of pining for the man she could never have and actually enjoyed being able to hate him for loving Lana. But to say that her character hasn't undergone a major shift is seriously cutting her short. Before knowing him as a secret she loved him as a mystery, a box she had to dig into in order to truly understand what is inside; now she loves him as a friend, as a man who she can understand, help, and watch thrive in the area he is best.

I've always worried that I'd fail a lie detector simply because I am so nervous everything is going to come across as a lie. I'm sure being part computer helps, but I see no reason for her to lie about cheating on Jimmy. Unless she's counting as her heart cheating on him in the sense that it is not wholly Jimmy's.

[WildGoatTamer]

I didn't really get the whole lie-detector thing. If it measures stress and sudden increases in your heart rate (I think its your heartbeat ?) why would you kidnap someone and hook them up to a lie detector? Wouldn't your heart be racing and your panic levels go through roof just for the fact you've been kidnapped?

I really don't know what to think of Chloe's answer after all if you can trick a lie detector then Chloe sure as hell can too with or without Brianiac.

[oqllcksmallville]

I believe Brainiac is inlove with Jimmy, not Chloe :lol:, I mean tricking a poor lie detector machine like that one .... would be piece of cake for him!
LOOLLLLL !
uh oh , slash much ?
hahaha = P
- no still ,
i love CHIMMY . = ) - their cute .

[KelterDai]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but why in the world would Braniac care about Jimmy or Chimmy for that matter?

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When was the last time we got any solid indication that Chloe had any *romantic* feelings for Clark?

[kal-el_Girl]

She had to be lying about it, I just find that Chloe is forcing herself to love jimmy, I feel her love too forced not natural at all! She's always saying "you're my guy" bla bla bla, and I feel that she is trying to cover things up (her love towards clark)
She's tired of being in love with him and jimmy is her chance, I absolutely don't believe they have a real relationship and even when is implied that they sleep together quite often I just don't feel that is believable.
The way that Allison plays jimmy's chloe is very different than clark's chloe, I just hate that they (writers) put her in that situation, maybe there's some twisted turn but so far I'm quite uncomfortable with Chimmy, don't get me wrong I want her to be happy but why is chloe acting too "I'm supposed to love jimmy so I'll marry him"
does anybody agree w/me or am I just imagining things?

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And about the lie detector test..

I know of a lady that has taken the test several times and believe me she LIED through her teeth everytime and still passed the tests EVERY test with flying colors
how she did it? Up to this day I still don't know, and I really don't want to find out.. LOL :rotfl:
so that proves that lie detector tests can be outsmart!! :cool:

[Schmidter]

Braniac is a machine so I don't think you can say it is a he or she...

It would be possible that it have "posessed" Chloe, but I won't think so...

[OneShotClois]

[Mod Edit]

I kind of agree with this.
but then again no one really knows if she beat it or not, lmao.

[RedKRules]

LOOLLLLL !
uh oh , slash much ?
hahaha = P
- no still ,
i love CHIMMY . = ) - their cute .

Heyyyy, they do have chemistry ...... I mean Braniac and Jimmy!!:rotfl:;);)

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[Mod Edit].

Maybe yes, or maybe not ..... it depends on point of view ....... I think I will wait for the BLOODY MESS , then I am sure I will have my answer after that !!

[Krypton935]

wow i didn't even think of that- i thought she was really over clark (:() but that's a good idea it didn't even cross my mind hmm so maybe that's how she tricked it and she really does still love clark!! yay long live the chlark!!

[Billy Jor-El]

Is there any insight into whether the writers have total control of Chloe, or does Allison put in her own take on how she wants/feels Chloe would react? She's been in the series since the beginning, I would hope that writers take tips from the people they're actually writing for...!

[ginnyfan]

I think Allison has had more input over the years than other actors whose characters exist in the comics. But I don't know how far her influence goes.

[sailordom]

Maybe I'm grasping at straws....

But I'm inclined to think that Chloiac could beat the lie detector. Because, as others have mentioned, it doesn't measure whether you're telling the truth. They're notoriously unreliable.

OTOH, I'm beginning to think that Chloe on some level really thinks she's in love with Jimmy. (Oh, look, I threw up in my mouth a little just by typing that.) Being locked up for four months probably screwed with her head -- I think she talked herself into thinking that this is what she really wants, and, oh, look at how perfect everything is.

Because I bet nice, safe Jimmy Olsen looked pretty good while being locked up and forced to do tests. It would be very, very easy it idealize stuff for four months and talk yourself into "making things perfect" once you were free.

Maybe I'm just in denial. But I just don't want to believe that the writers seriously intend for us to think that Chloe is genuinely, head-over-heels in love with Jimmy Olsen. I just can't buy it.

I've never been a Chlark shipper, either. I'm not an advocate for Chloe to be with anyone in particular. I just don't buy Jimmy and Chloe together.

Or maybe it's just that they're really meant to be cutesy and adorable, and I'm just too cynical. :(

[Humdinger]

I don't think so... what kind of advantage would Brainiac get from saving Jimmy?

IMO it's a power thing. Brainiac sure had an ego for a machine.

[hanemg]

Maybe I'm grasping at straws....

But I'm inclined to think that Chloiac could beat the lie detector. Because, as others have mentioned, it doesn't measure whether you're telling the truth. They're notoriously unreliable.

OTOH, I'm beginning to think that Chloe on some level really thinks she's in love with Jimmy. (Oh, look, I threw up in my mouth a little just by typing that.) Being locked up for four months probably screwed with her head -- I think she talked herself into thinking that this is what she really wants, and, oh, look at how perfect everything is.

Because I bet nice, safe Jimmy Olsen looked pretty good while being locked up and forced to do tests. It would be very, very easy it idealize stuff for four months and talk yourself into "making things perfect" once you were free.

Maybe I'm just in denial. But I just don't want to believe that the writers seriously intend for us to think that Chloe is genuinely, head-over-heels in love with Jimmy Olsen. I just can't buy it.

I've never been a Chlark shipper, either. I'm not an advocate for Chloe to be with anyone in particular. I just don't buy Jimmy and Chloe together.

Or maybe it's just that they're really meant to be cutesy and adorable, and I'm just too cynical. :(

So, then our only two choices are:

1) Chloe is being controlled by a 12th level intelligence from another planet who entered her body like a virus and despite its numerous powers can only save itself from a mentally deranged killer by convincing him that "she" is telling him the truth...

or...

2) Chloe is a weak-minded emotional cripple desperate for the love of anyone that will pay her attention.

Strange, I appear to be the only non-Chloe fan posting yet I'm the one that thinks that she is an intelligent, capable young woman who has finally gotten over the angst of an unrequited love that was never going to happen and moved on with her life and is trying to be happy.

[Sweetie]

Do you think a super-alian computer like Brainiac would bother himself about the matters of the heart of an inferior race?Chloe was honest she is trully over Clark and she loves Jimmy.

[KelterDai]

To think that Braniac would care at all about beating a lie-detector is beyond silly.

Some people are just grasping at straws...

[sailordom]

So, then our only two choices are:

1) Chloe is being controlled by a 12th level intelligence from another planet who entered her body like a virus and despite its numerous powers can only save itself from a mentally deranged killer by convincing him that "she" is telling him the truth...


Well, actually, I don't think Chloe is being controlled by Brainiac.

But I do think she has been changed. The Chloe whose processing power (for lack of a better term) has been boosted enough to, for example, crack that encryption in Odyssey and figure out what was poisoning Oliver in Toxic probably knows how lie detectors work. So I find it completely plausible that Chloe (not Brainiac) would be able to beat it.

Because, obviously, if Brainy was in charge, things would have worked out differently....



or...

2) Chloe is a weak-minded emotional cripple desperate for the love of anyone that will pay her attention.

Strange, I appear to be the only non-Chloe fan posting yet I'm the one that thinks that she is an intelligent, capable young woman who has finally gotten over the angst of an unrequited love that was never going to happen and moved on with her life and is trying to be happy.

Hmmm, I wouldn't say she's desperate or weak-minded, either. I absolutely think that she's trying to get on with her life -- in my mind, that's the problem. I think she's trying too hard to be happy. Like I said, I bet Jimmy Olsen and their puppy love looks pretty good while sitting in a cell for four months. I can easily see her convincing herself that Jimmy Olsen is perfect for her, even though he may not be.

I don't think it makes her a cripple or in anyway makes her a weak person -- I think it's human and perfectly understandable.

I also don't think she needs to be in love with someone else before she can be considered over Clark. Maybe that's ultimately why I suspect she's "settling" for Jimmy. If there was a period where she could be shown to be over Clark and then at some later point, fall in love with Jimmy, I could buy it. But to me, it almost seems as if she's in love with idea of being in love and having the perfect storybook dream than it is a real relationship.

Or, like I said before, maybe I'm just way, way too cynical. :) This is entirely probable and, probably, more likely than the writers actually giving up on Chloe/Jimmy.

[OutlawAdamKnight]

So, then our only two choices are:

1) Chloe is being controlled by a 12th level intelligence from another planet who entered her body like a virus and despite its numerous powers can only save itself from a mentally deranged killer by convincing him that "she" is telling him the truth...

or...

2) Chloe is a weak-minded emotional cripple desperate for the love of anyone that will pay her attention.

Strange, I appear to be the only non-Chloe fan posting yet I'm the one that thinks that she is an intelligent, capable young woman who has finally gotten over the angst of an unrequited love that was never going to happen and moved on with her life and is trying to be happy.

I actually believe CHLOE's controlling BRAINIAC, but thanks for your attempt at online arrogance. Have a great day!

[pjack]

Don't think BRAINIAC beat the lie detector, only CHLOE using the "Brainiac Computers / Electronics Are My Collective *****es" abilities


I don't think so either. Why does every one keep thinking or saying Brainiac is controlling Chloe? She just has a NEW ability that happened when he tried to connect with her but because of her meteor power somehow merged some of his computer abilities with her and didn't allow him to take over her body like he did Lana. That's all. no controlling crap.

But I think it was more for suspense that they did the cut-away rather than it being that she beat it. I think they would have made it more obvious showing us that she manipulated it somehow like she does computers if she did purposely beat it.

[hanemg]

I actually believe CHLOE's controlling BRAINIAC, but thanks for your attempt at online arrogance. Have a great day!

Wow, catty. Still, my point remains, we can fan wank that Brainiac used Chloe or Chloe used Brainiac until the cows come home, but until someone can give me a plausible reason as to why Brainiac would even care it will remain fan wanking. I just find it difficult to reasonably assume that a computer entity as powerful as Brainiac would have to resort to Chloe "fooling" the lie detector to get out of the situation safely.

And as for Chloe controlling Brainic...seriously? I mean, I know she seems at times to be the all purpose deus ex machina, but control Brainiac? Seriously?

[OutlawAdamKnight]

Why not?

[hanemg]

Why not?

You don't think that would be turning her into a bit of a Mary Sue? I mean she's dangerously close already, but I think that would be the final step.

[OutlawAdamKnight]

Not at all. I think Chloe being ultimately consumed by Brainiac and turning into the catalyst for a Doomsday / Clark showdown (somehow) is a great way to end the show / series. Giving Clark emotional impetus to finally don himself some tights and get into the next phase of his "career".

BTW - lmao at your avatar

[oqllcksmallville]

I just think that Chloe really has ;
true and honest ,
feelings for Jimmy .
- she really has let go off her feelings for clark && moved on with just a good man . = )
anyone agree ? = )

[Serynarpc]

The 'Chloaniac loves Jimmy!' is just a funny thing to think about. Brainiac has shown no concern for any human being and Chloe's affection for Jimmy is back burner to oh say, destroying the world/ finally killing Kal El.

Could we consider 'Brainiac' as an infection that once passed, is over with so that Chloe isn't affected by Brainiac anymore? As a side effect, she has super intelligence but isn't under Brainiac's influence.
Its really hard to say based off of what we have to work with. We need some more screen time devoted to this to make a more accurate conclusion.
I still believe that Cloe's lying to herself and thats why the lie detector test didn't go off, but thank goodness for it. How would a Chloe- Clark- Jimmy-Lois love quad go? I shiver at the thought of it.

[mfarhaniqbal33]

chloe has alot of reason to beat the lie detector first of all the brainiac taking over her body second she has not told jimmy yet that brainiac infected her brain. on top of that we all know chole still loves clark. even though people say she said the line u blew it bud. but then again remember in the episode toxic she did say somthing to clark that she will do anythig for him remember that as well.

[cklookalike89]

Very interesting. Brainiac could definitley pull it off. Gosh dang hes so annoying sometimes though!!

[nickyjean_1]

Despite the fact I despise the 'wonderful' jimmy olsen, it is possible that she just loves him for the reason she says. Because he's not a secret because he allows her the chance NOT to worry about the fate of the world. And for alot of other reasons.

Today after this eppy I just had to accept that Chloe just loves Jimmy. Now I prop it to Allison being an awesome actress but if its all a sham then I guess Chloes not that bad of an actress either.

[chlo-el]

Well, actually, I don't think Chloe is being controlled by Brainiac.

But I do think she has been changed. The Chloe whose processing power (for lack of a better term) has been boosted enough to, for example, crack that encryption in Odyssey and figure out what was poisoning Oliver in Toxic probably knows how lie detectors work. So I find it completely plausible that Chloe (not Brainiac) would be able to beat it.

Because, obviously, if Brainy was in charge, things would have worked out differently....



Hmmm, I wouldn't say she's desperate or weak-minded, either. I absolutely think that she's trying to get on with her life -- in my mind, that's the problem. I think she's trying too hard to be happy. Like I said, I bet Jimmy Olsen and their puppy love looks pretty good while sitting in a cell for four months. I can easily see her convincing herself that Jimmy Olsen is perfect for her, even though he may not be.

I don't think it makes her a cripple or in anyway makes her a weak person -- I think it's human and perfectly understandable.

I also don't think she needs to be in love with someone else before she can be considered over Clark. Maybe that's ultimately why I suspect she's "settling" for Jimmy. If there was a period where she could be shown to be over Clark and then at some later point, fall in love with Jimmy, I could buy it. But to me, it almost seems as if she's in love with idea of being in love and having the perfect storybook dream than it is a real relationship.

Or, like I said before, maybe I'm just way, way too cynical. :) This is entirely probable and, probably, more likely than the writers actually giving up on Chloe/Jimmy.

Great post I totally agree. I think we've seen a girl who was in love with Clark while she was w/ Jimmy and settled for him. I can beleive that she's moved on to Jimmy while still deep down being in love with Clark.

But I defiantly think she is in love with the idea of Jimmy instead of Jimmy himself. If she loved Jimmy so much she would open up to him after he opened up to her and tell him her secret about her power.

And if she loved Jimmy sooo much it wouldn't take her a week to tell anyone she was engaged.

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As for the lie detector test. I think Chloe used her Brainiac powers to lie.

[AChloeChick]

Today after this eppy I just had to accept that Chloe just loves Jimmy. Now I prop it to Allison being an awesome actress but if its all a sham then I guess Chloes not that bad of an actress either.

I DON'T and WON'T accept it!

[oberyn]

The 'Chloaniac loves Jimmy!' is just a funny thing to think about. Brainiac has shown no concern for any human being and Chloe's affection for Jimmy is back burner to oh say, destroying the world/ finally killing Kal El.

:rotfl:

I have to agree with you here. Also, if Brainiac is in control of Chloe then the way things played out, Chloniac kept Jimmy from getting shocked but didn't bother keeping his host body from getting harmed.


Its really hard to say based off of what we have to work with. We need some more screen time devoted to this to make a more accurate conclusion.

I definitely agree with you there.

Otherwise, why not just declare that anything that Chloe says or does might be Brainiac's influence. Don't like Chloe's hairstyle? Blame Brainiac. Don't like Chloe's shoes? No problem, that's just Brainiac's influence. :lol:

[Kalista]

I actually believe CHLOE's controlling BRAINIAC

I seriously doubt that Chloe is controlling Brainiac. Why would she? I think it's the other way around, especially considering the spoilers for Abyss.

[hanemg]

Otherwise, why not just declare that anything that Chloe says or does might be Brainiac's influence. Don't like Chloe's hairstyle? Blame Brainiac. Don't like Chloe's shoes? No problem, that's just Brainiac's influence. :lol:

I completely agree. I think that's why I took such strong exception to the idea. Chloe never seems to get blamed for anything.

When she continually backed down from Clark or ran from the room crying it was because the writers "de-spined" Chloe in order to prop up Lana rather than it just being a trait of her character.

When she betrayed Clark back in season 2 it was really Clark's fault because depite telling her repeatedly how much in love with Lana he was he still shouldn't have kissed her before he cleared it with Chloe first.

There's a laundry list of such "excuses" for her behavior that individuals dislike other than simply accepting them as part of her character. This is only the most recent example.

Chloe is in love with Jimmy and not Clark. Obviously it's because her behavior is being controlled by someone else. :rolleyes:

[oberyn]

I seriously doubt that Chloe is controlling Brainiac. Why would she? I think it's the other way around, especially considering the spoilers for Abyss.

I agree that Brainiac's going to end up taking control of Chloe. I disagree that Brainiac is already in control of Chloe or that Brainiac would have any reason to enable Chloe to beat the lie detector in order to prevent Jimmy from being harmed but didn't act to prevent Chloe (his host) from being harmed. I don't think that scenario makes a lot of sense.

[abbaspice1]

I completely agree. I think that's why I took such strong exception to the idea. Chloe never seems to get blamed for anything.

When she continually backed down from Clark or ran from the room crying it was because the writers "de-spined" Chloe in order to prop up Lana rather than it just being a trait of her character.

When she betrayed Clark back in season 2 it was really Clark's fault because depite telling her repeatedly how much in love with Lana he was he still shouldn't have kissed her before he cleared it with Chloe first.

There's a laundry list of such "excuses" for her behavior that individuals dislike other than simply accepting them as part of her character. This is only the most recent example.

Chloe is in love with Jimmy and not Clark. Obviously it's because her behavior is being controlled by someone else. :rolleyes:

ITA!

[RedKRules]

Why won´t people accept that maybe Brainiac loves Jimmy?? :lol:

[oberyn]

I completely agree. I think that's why I took such strong exception to the idea. Chloe never seems to get blamed for anything.

I definitely see where you're coming from.

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Why won´t people accept that maybe Brainiac loves Jimmy?? :lol:

:rotfl:

[Storm45]

Why won´t people accept that maybe Brainiac loves Jimmy?? :lol:


True. Its not the first time we would see a love story between a human and a machine (Blade Runner, Battlestar Galactica, Terminator:The Sarah Connor Chronicles). :lol:

[oberyn]

True. Its not the first time we would see a love story between a human and a machine (Blade Runner, Battlestar Galactica, Terminator:The Sarah Connor Chronicles). :lol:

That's it. I'm now officially shipping Brimmy.

[RedKRules]

True. Its not the first time we would see a love story between a human and a machine (Blade Runner, Battlestar Galactica, Terminator:The Sarah Connor Chronicles). :lol:

See, that is what I am talking about ..... I feel a deep bond there .... :lol:

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That's it. I'm now officially shipping Brimmy.

Dittooooo!!!:rotfl:

[rogueslayer1985]

I don't think so... what kind of advantage would Brainiac get from saving Jimmy?

keeping jimmy in love with chloe, keeps chloe away from clark, who might figure out the extent of the brainiac possession and then fix her.

[Kalista]

keeping jimmy in love with chloe, keeps chloe away from clark, who might figure out the extent of the brainiac possession and then fix her.

I agree and that is probably why Chloiac keeps insisting that the infection is something positive that can be used for good things.

[oberyn]

keeping jimmy in love with chloe, keeps chloe away from clark, who might figure out the extent of the brainiac possession and then fix her.

Then wouldn't it have been a better idea for Chloiac to hide the infection from Clark to begin with? Clark already knows about it and has expressed his concern. He's also so far away from Chloe that he's agreed to give her away at her wedding.

So far, I'm not too impressed with Chloiac's cunning. :lol:

[Ayanne]

It's only a theory. But in order to defeat the lie detector and avoid most Olsen-shockage, we got a LONG cut to the computerized lie detector with Chloe staring at it before answering "honestly".

I know, I'm likely stretching, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw that cut-away. You'll note we didn't get one like it when Lois was forced to confess.

Thoughts?

I don't find the Lie detector credible, with either character. Brainiac has the ability to change the dynamics of any machine.

[SupesComicFan]

Strange. If Chloiac could "beat" the machine, why did she let it shock her in the first place? Do we have any solid evidence of Brainiac CONTROLLING Chloe? I see none, and I have seen none. She just has a faster brain now.

This is another argument from fans who want something so badly they will interpret it any way they wish, even against facts.

Plus, I don't see how it matters if Chloe still loves Clark. Clark has not shown any romantic interest in Chloe (besides looks, which can be misinterpreted) for, AGES. Even when they were both single. So, as Chloe said, you blew it, bud. Friends and nothing more. Or do we want an emotionally crippled Chloe pining for Clark until the end of time? I enjoy chloe too much for that. I hope she has moved on.

[kris10]

a lie detector detect changes in your pulse and heartbeat and if you are a good liar you can beat it...can chloe beat a little lie detector HELL YES! she doesnt need brainiac to do it. that lie detector crap is so stupid anyways i said before if ps3 were going to go this route they should have used a meteor freak who could detect lies. that would have at least been more credible than a damn lie detector machine
wouldnt the ps3 have thought through all the facts about lie detectors so that they wouldnt give chlark fans a shred of hope..

i have said this in many posts...just like someone also posted in this thread earlier.
LIE DETECTORS ARENT ADMISSABLE IN COURT WHY b/c if you can lie without your pulse or heart rate changing.

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I agree and that is probably why Chloiac keeps insisting that the infection is something positive that can be used for good things.

brainaics main function just like any of ours is survival ITA. :)

[Kalista]

a lie detector detect changes in your pulse and heartbeat and if you are a good liar you can beat it...can chloe beat a little lie detector HELL YES! she doesnt need brainiac to do it.

That is another possibility. But when you think about the wording, something else becomes clear. The jeweler asked her if she was in love with anyone else and she responded no. That's the truth, she isn't in love with anyone else besides Clark. She loves Jimmy but she is not in love with him.

[oberyn]

Strange. If Chloiac could "beat" the machine, why did she let it shock her in the first place?

That's what I want to know, as it means Brainiac is more interested in protecting Jimmy both physically and emotionally than it is in protecting itself.

Or is that display of true love just one more reason to ship Brimmy. :lol:

[stenochick]

brainaics main function just like any of ours is survival ITA. :)

i think you both have hit the nail on the head. At this point, Brainiac is trying simply to gain strength to re-form himself/itself. My guess is that the jolt of electricity Chloe received has given Brainiac some much-needed juice in which to strengthen himself.

I don't think it is possible for Chloe to gain Brainiac's intelligence and not gain Brainiac. Brainiac himself is part of the deal. No matter what shred of him is still intact, his function is to survive and re-form himself. He is attempting to do that while "inside" Chloe.

He is not impersonating her or speaking through her or scheming and lying at this point, he is just trying to become sentient and whole again. I think I am vearing into speculation, but I'm only working with what we already know about Chloe and Brainiac from Arctic and Season 8 thus far.

[kris10]

That is another possibility. But when you think about the wording, something else becomes clear. The jeweler asked her if she was in love with anyone else and she responded no. That's the truth, she isn't in love with anyone else besides Clark. She loves Jimmy but she is not in love with him.

VERY AWESOME point... totally forgot about that! he didnt say specifics.:D oohhh myyyyy

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i think you both have hit the nail on the head. At this point, Brainiac is trying simply to gain strength to re-form himself/itself. My guess is that the jolt of electricity Chloe received has given Brainiac some much-needed juice in which to strengthen himself.

I don't think it is possible for Chloe to gain Brainiac's intelligence and not gain Brainiac. Brainiac himself is part of the deal. No matter what shred of him is still intact, his function is to survive and re-form himself. He is attempting to do that while "inside" Chloe.

He is not impersonating her or speaking through her or scheming and lying at this point, he is just trying to become sentient and whole again. I think I am vearing into speculation, but I'm only working with what we already know about Chloe and Brainiac from Arctic and Season 8 thus far.
awesome post ITA.

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well in last years finale he was going to plant to juice himself up with electricity? so that litle jolt prolly helped him out real good.

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just to kind of put this out there...brainiac will use WHATEVER is necessary to achieve his objective that would be to reboot and take over so it isnt a stretch to think that he couldnt manipilate a few things or decisions to go his way..when chloe weakened him last season he still had some mad skills...so its not ruled out that he cant use anything against clark that he can to make his mission a lot easier and methinks that taking over chloe is just icing on the cake for him because he knows how much she means to him and hes gettng her back for her meddling.
oops sorry stenochick you already said the jolting thing my bad

[oberyn]

The jeweler asked her if she was in love with anyone else and she responded no. That's the truth, she isn't in love with anyone else besides Clark. She loves Jimmy but she is not in love with him.

Yes, they certainly couldn't have made that any more clear. :p

[abbaspice1]

Okay, let me get this...

Chloe is going ot marry Jimmy, build a future with him, a person who makes her smile a mega-watt smile (just watched Crimson and saw the flowers and card he sent her and her reaction to it), etc. BUT SHE IS NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM. Am I getting that right? That is what you believe?

Because it seems to me that Chloe is way too smart to do such a thing. Unless, hold your horses, SHE LOVES JIMMY and IS IN LOVE WITH HIM.

[stenochick]

I think she is being herself with Jimmy and loves him, but Brainiac is at work inside her trying to reboot himself. I don't think Brainiac = Chloe. Chloe was the one hooked up to the polygraph and answering truthfully, but the electric shock she received has strengthened Brainiac and perhaps as time goes by, he will start rebooting like he did in season 7.

[ginnyfan]

I don't think they are arguing that Chloe loves Jimmy. I think they are arguing that we've known for years that Chloe loves Clark and as recently as "Traveler" she declared her love.

I think Chloe passed the test without Brainiac. I think she's truly moved on. She interpreted the question as romantic love and she answered in the context, just as Lois did later in the same episode. I still don't see why Chloe loving Clark would kill Brainiac. Chloe could have provided a non lie explaination like, "We've been through so much. Part of me will always love him but you're my guy Jimmy." Jimmy provided an explaination for his lie. Finally, Chloe being married to Jimmy is NOT going to keep Chloe and Clark apart. They will be investigating things together when it has to do with Clark's secret. Jimmy is more accepting of Clark than he's ever been. Chloe's life is in danger. Clark found a way to get to Lana all the time while she was married to Lex. Lex was hostile to Clark and had a lot more resources with which to bar Clark from Lana's life. If Clark wants to get to Chloe, there's not much Jimmy can do. It's a lame-o plan on Brainiac's part.

I think Chloe was being honest and she really has moved on. She still loves Clark but not romantically.

I can see how an alternate interpretation could be that... Chloe Sullivan passing that question is a red flag that something's wrong. It's possible but I doubt it.

I like the suggestion that the electric jolt has given Brainiac power.

[kris10]

i think that ps3 intentionally worded that loaded question that way...wonder why it takes Braniac so long could that be strategy? crap i cant post what i want to say next cus theyre spoilers darn!

[individuall]

You could use spoiler tags Kris10 :)

[Kalista]

Okay, let me get this...

Chloe is going ot marry Jimmy, build a future with him, a person who makes her smile a mega-watt smile (just watched Crimson and saw the flowers and card he sent her and her reaction to it), etc. BUT SHE IS NOT IN LOVE WITH HIM. Am I getting that right? That is what you believe?

Because it seems to me that Chloe is way too smart to do such a thing. Unless, hold your horses, SHE LOVES JIMMY and IS IN LOVE WITH HIM.

It is not uncommon for people to settle in less than ideal relationships for various reasons. And many of them are quite intelligent.

Crimson? The same episode where Chimmy had this conversation?



Jimmy: Can you really tell me that if you had the choice, you wouldn't rather be with him?

[Chloe looks at him uneasily, pausing just a little too long to respond.]

Chloe: Of course not. You're my guy.

[Jimmy looks back at her, seeing the truth in her face.]

Chloe: [ Indignant ] Now you don't believe me. Well, I don't know what else to say

If she was so in love with Jimmy, then why couldn't she hesitate to answer him? Because she loves Jimmy but is in love with Clark.

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Chloe was the one hooked up to the polygraph and answering truthfully,

She did answer truthfully because she is only in love with one person.

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but the electric shock she received has strengthened Brainiac and perhaps as time goes by, he will start rebooting like he did in season 7.

I like that idea.

[kris10]

You could use spoiler tags Kris10 :)
to be honest i dont know how:lol:

[Kalista]

to be honest i dont know how:lol:

Type your post between these tags:

example To read text behind a spoiler tag, just highlight the black lines.

[kris10]

Type your post between these tags:

example To read text behind a spoiler tag, just highlight the black lines.

awesome thank you very much!;)

[Novak Fan]

If she was so in love with Jimmy, then why couldn't she hesitate to answer him? Because she loves Jimmy but is in love with Clark.


If she's gonna married a guy that she just loves because she can't wait anymore for the one she is IN love with...sorry but that's very disappointing and I refuse that a girl like Chloe would do that.
I don't think she "beat" the machine, she was telling the true.

[ginnyfan]

We don't know why Chloe paused in "Crimson" but she certainly seemed happy to hook back up with Jimmy in "Trespass." Who was the one who cleared up the misunderstanding of the pause? Clark Kent.

If Chloe did pause because she still had lingering feelings for Clark, it's possible that after a year and a half, her feelings have changed.

[Kalista]

If she's gonna married a guy that she just loves because she can't wait anymore for the one she is IN love with...sorry but that's very disappointing and I refuse that a girl like Chloe would do that.
I don't think she "beat" the machine, she was telling the true.

She was telling the truth, she is only in love with one man. Crimson and Plastique are clear indications that Chloe is settling. I don't lose respect for her because, unfortunately, that is a trap that many people, including succesful individuals, fall into in an attempt to move on.

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We don't know why Chloe paused in "Crimson" but she certainly seemed happy to hook back up with Jimmy in "Trespass." Who was the one who cleared up the misunderstanding of the pause? Clark Kent.

If Chloe did pause because she still had lingering feelings for Clark, it's possible that after a year and a half, her feelings have changed.

Fanwanking can only go so far. If she was madly, deeply in love with Jimmy she would not have hesitated when he asked her if she preferred Clark over him. There was no other reason for her to hesitate. As recent as Sleeper, Jimmy asked her if she wanted what they had more than she wanted to be with Clark and she avoided the question by kissing him. That would have been a good time to tell Jimmy yes and then proceed with the kissing. Instead, she chose not to answer. Fast forward to Plastique and the Chlark engagement talk. That was the saddest engagement announcement I have ever seen and even Davis is sensing that Chimmy is not a rock solid relationship.

As far as Clark clearing the air with Jimmy, that is understandable. Clark thought they broke up because of him and thought that they were happy together. So why wouldn't he try to make amends when you consider his massive guilt complex?

[stenochick]

She did answer truthfully because she is only in love with one person..

Oh, I get it now.

[ginnyfan]

If she was madly, deeply in love with Jimmy she would not have hesitated when he asked her if she preferred Clark over him. There was no other reason for her to hesitate.

Well that's one possible interpretation.

There are other possibilities. It's possible that Chloe was seriously wrong footed by how fast the subject of the conversation changed. She was talking about Clark's character and suddenly Jimmy was tearful and breaking up with her because she loves Clark. I think it's possible that Chloe was blinking her eyes as if to say... what just happened? There are several possibilities.

But I said in my post that even IF Chloe had lingering feelings for Clark as of "Crimson" it's possible that she doesn't in "Committed."

True... Chloe didn't SAY "I love you" to Jimmy verbally. But I say actions speak louder than words.

LOL! I agree with you about the engagement talk in "Plastique." Chloe and Clark were very sad. I still think it's open to interpretation WHY they were sad. Especially in light of the episodes after Chloe told Clark the truth. The only explaination is not that they love each other but are held apart by Jimmy Olsen. I think Clark was sad partly because Chloe hurt his feelings not telling him about something so important in her life. I think both of them don't want things to change between them. IMO what's been between them for the past couple of years hasn't been romance. It's been a very deep friendship. But again... open to interpretation.

I saw Davis marveling at Chloe's silly ring but I didn't see him doubting her relationship with Jimmy. He was making it clear to Chloe that whatever makes her happy is what he wants for her. He's never seen Jimmy and knows nothing about her relationship with him. But he knows that he cares for Chloe and her happiness. *shrug*

It may be understandable that Clark would try and get Chloe and Jimmy back together in "Crimson" but... I don't understand why that wouldn't be hurtful to Chloe. If she still has romantic feelings for Clark... to the point that she hesitated to answer Jimmy, why is she OK with him hooking her back up with Jimmy? Why isn't she awkwardly hopeful when Clark asks about the estrangement between her and Jimmy. She's not in a relationship, Clark's not in a relationship. It would be a great opportunity to say... "Well we broke up because he asked me if I loved you more than him. I couldn't say no." Or something... But instead Clark quickly assumes that Jimmy MISCONSTRUED their relationship and Chloe lets Clark believe that. Even IF Chloe had lingering feelings this suggests to me that she has no hope that Clark would reciprocate them.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying there is no wrong or right because several of these moments are open to interpretation. It may be OBVIOUS to you that Chloe and Clark have lingering romantic feelings for each other. That there's NO OTHER explaination for Chloe's "no" reading as honest except Brainiac interference or secret Clark reference. But other interpretations are just as likely as yours. So... That's all I'm saying.

ETA: If you're right Kalista, Chloe is working awful hard to marry Jimmy despite her feelings for Clark. Clark is single. Why won't she just direct all this energy into letting him know how she feels?

[borednow]

God damn it people stop saying Brainiac loves Jimmy! He loves me!
*cries*

[abbaspice1]

LOL!

[RedKRules]

God damn it people stop saying Brainiac loves Jimmy! He loves me!
*cries*


:lol: ....... I am sorry it was just the way he said it to Jimmy was so deep !!! but I shall never doubt his love for you again .... never ;)

[borednow]

Thank you... that makes me feel better. *sniffles*

[IloveClark]

I agree she loves Jimmy but she's in love with Clark.If those two were honest to each other they wouldn't have been together.But no they have ruin it.Clois shouldn't have yet.Clana thank God is over.I love the Clois scenes but I just don't feel romance there.Peace.

[hanemg]

keeping jimmy in love with chloe, keeps chloe away from clark, who might figure out the extent of the brainiac possession and then fix her.

The problem with that theory is that Chloe doesn't really seem to be staying away from Clark. In fact, in "Instinct" she seemed pretty happy to see him and actively engaged him in a discussion about his current investigation and offered to help. Then, also is the fact oberyn pointed out that she showed herself to be infected by Brainiac. For that matter, if Brainiac's intentions were to keep Chloe away from someone who would notice changes in her then why be involved with anyone at all? Especially someone who knows Clark and would probably run to him first for help if Chloe began to behave strangely.

If Brainiac were truly in control and truly wanted to move Chloe away from Clark then I would think that he would have her move completely away and limit contact with Clark or anyone that could recognize her erratic behavior rather than into the home of her cousin and with her fiancé at night and the business of Clark's former lover by day. That virtually guarantees that she's going to be spending a great deal of time not only with Clark, but a variety of people who know Chloe well.


Fanwanking can only go so far.

The irony of that statement should be allowed to stand on it's own.

[Kalista]

Even IF Chloe had lingering feelings this suggests to me that she has no hope that Clark would reciprocate them.

ETA: If you're right Kalista, Chloe is working awful hard to marry Jimmy despite her feelings for Clark. Clark is single. Why won't she just direct all this energy into letting him know how she feels?

Chloe will not initiate anything with Clark at this point because she is too guarded about her feelings for him. Clark will have to take the next step.

[ginnyfan]

Great post hanemg. This "plan" doesn't make much sense.


Chloe will not initiate anything with Clark at this point because she is too guarded about her feelings for him. Clark will have to take the next step.

Chloe is so guarded about her feelings for Clark that she's going to walk down the aisle with another guy? 0_o

Well interesting theory. Time will tell.

[Kalista]

Chloe is so guarded about her feelings for Clark that she's going to walk down the aisle with another guy? 0_o

Well interesting theory. Time will tell.

That's an oversimplification of what I am trying to say. Basically, she is trying to move on but her heart still belongs to Clark. And yes, Chloe always has her defense mechanisms up when it comes to her feelings for Clark.

Oh well, back to the thread topic.

[ginnyfan]

Oh I'm sorry. I just... would hope that if Chloe had feelings for Clark she would take a chance on them and not marry someone else. She does have a history of putting up her defenses when it comes to Clark. That interpretation just seems to cast Chloe as the little mermaid. A character who will love someone without reciprocation until she fades away into sea foam. It makes her a stagnant character. Despite all that she's been through, she's still doing what she's done since Season 2. *sigh*

I think this is related to the topic. The fact that Chloe still loves Clark is an argument for why Chloiac works as a possible theory.

Though I suppose according to the Chloiac theory Chloe is either dead or trapped in her own body screaming for release.

[Kalista]

It makes her a stagnant character. Despite all that she's been through, she's still doing what she's done since Season 2. *sigh*

I can't agree with this because she is with Jimmy. If we saw her reject Jimmy because she was holding out for Clark, then I could agree that she is stagnant. But that's not the case.

[Khyla]

It's very simple why Chloe's answer didn't registere as a lie: Because it wasn't.
The psycho guy did NOT ask CHloe, "Are you in love with your fiance."

Nor did he ask her , "Deep down do you love that man,"
and then poiint to Jimmy.
hmmmmm......



No, instead the question posed to Chloe was carefully worded: "Are you in love with anyone else."

Couldn't CHloe have thought to herself, 'I am truly not in love with anyone else other than Clark? " Therefore her answering "No" was the truth.:cool:
Then after the lie detector was off, she covered the answer by embellishing it with endearments to Jimmy with the "forever" crap, making her answer all about him. :)

[Kalista]

It's very simple why Chloe's answer didn't registere as a lie: Because it wasn't.
The psycho guy did NOT ask CHloe, "Are you in love with your fiance."

Nor did he ask her , "Deep down do you love that man,"
and then poiint to Jimmy.
hmmmmm......



No, instead the question posed to Chloe was carefully worded: "Are you in love with anyone else."


Couldn't CHloe have thought to herself, 'I am truly not in love with anyone else other than Clark? " Therefore her answering "No" was the truth.:cool:
Then after the lie detector was off, she covered the answer by embellishing it with endearments to Jimmy with the "forever" crap, making her answer all about him. :)

Yeah, that's what I think. I wonder how much time the writers' spent carefully crafting the psycho jeweler's questions. I would love to be a fly on the wall when they write this stuff.:rotfl:

[ginnyfan]

^And then everyone was distracted when the lie detector went wild as Chloe followed up with "It's only you Jimmy."


I can't agree with this because she is with Jimmy. If we saw her reject Jimmy because she was holding out for Clark, then I could agree that she is stagnant. But that's not the case.

So her relationship with Jimmy is Chloe's heroic effort to move on despite her feelings for Clark? How is it character development in your opinion?

[Khyla]

^And then everyone was distracted when the lie detector went wild as Chloe followed up with "It's only you Jimmy."
it was off then. as in no power. the guy had to keep winding it up before each question.

[ginnyfan]

Ah... I thought he was winding up the electricity not the detector.

Wait a moment... the electricity was never expelled. Chloe cleverly thought of Clark. So why would he need to wind it up?

[Kalista]

So her relationship with Jimmy is Chloe's heroic effort to move on despite her feelings for Clark? How is it character development in your opinion?

She's exploring another relationship and not waiting around for Clark. I'm not saying that she doesn't love Jimmy, but she isn't in love with him. She's trying to make it work but it won't.

[ginnyfan]

She's exploring another relationship and not waiting around for Clark. I'm not saying that she doesn't love Jimmy, but she isn't in love with him. She's trying to make it work but it won't.

*nods* I see. :)

That's how I felt about Chimmy until the end of Season 6. I didn't think Clark was "the one." But I didn't think Jimmy was either.

[Khyla]

So her relationship with Jimmy is Chloe's heroic effort to move on despite her feelings for Clark? How is it character development in your opinion?

Never once have we seen them experience the desperation and depth of feeling in Chimmy hugs that we've seen between Chlark.

No one's gonna tell me this is a girl who's head-over-heels in love with the man she's engaged to by that look on her face when Davis says to her, "If you've found it , real love, hold on to it."


Re-watch their re-unions in Odyssey, and compare Chlarks' to Chimmy's:

With Chimmy we see the kind of reaction one would have when their puppy runs into the room to greet them; hugging and happiness, yes, of course, to a degree.... maybe even some tail-wagging:lol:, words about worrying, but it just doesn't compare.....

Chlark doesn't need words....we can see the desperate soul-deep emotion, where they look like they might cry as they clutch each other.

Maybe she feels Jimmy is the safe choice, someone who will try his best to make her happy, so she's rationalized that there's no reason to turn his proposal down, even though, sadly, she doesn't have that kind of heart-stopping soul-deep connection and love for him that she has for Clark.

[meteor]

maybe she simply stated the truth, which is why the machine didn't go off. IMO Chloe has moved on; it's as simple as that...otherwise they wouldn't have made the point of hooking her up to a lie detector to prove it.

[ginnyfan]

In my opinion Jimmy's genuine, gentle caring and love for Chloe over the course of two years beats out Clark's ambiguity. There's no denying that Chloe put a lot of herself into her relationship with Clark. I don't think she'll ever be able to match that kind of devotion with any other relationship in her life. But the scales were tipped very heavily on Chloe's side. As great as Chloe and Clark's chemistry is they have never had a real romance, despite Chloe's hopes.

I hear what you're saying Khyla but Chlark is too "If only" for me to compare it to something that's actually happened on the regular. Clark is JUST beginning to tip the scale with the love and support he's showing Chloe right now. But again, ambiguity when it comes to romance.

For two years Jimmy, despite many flaws has proudly declared and demonstrated his love for Chloe. It's helped to heal her broken heart (caused by Clark - probably unintentionally) and she's even come to declare her love this season.

I have compared Chimmy and Chlark and I choose Chimmy. Right now so do Chloe and Jimmy so... I'm good. I'm tired of Chloe choosing Chlark when Clark won't - for whatever reason.

As far as the hugs in Odyssey go... I don't get it. You compare Jimmy to a dog wagging his tail but it's more like tail between his legs. Chloe was doing the wagging. That's the best thing about this season so far for Chimmy is that Chloe's been the one fighting for them. She's been the optimistic one. So Jimmy's a puppy dog and Clark is on the verge of tears with soul deep emotion. *sigh* This is why I... really can't ship Chlark. After this soul deep emotion he thinks of Lana?! *breaks something*

I got a giggle out of Chloe's reaction to Davis. She gives him the hottest glance after he supports Chimmy. I'm only pointing that out because she jumped Jimmy when he promised to take things slow on her behalf so graciously in "Wither." Unconditional love and support is HOT! I'm not saying there wasn't chemistry between Chloe and Davis. But I compare her blurting out "I'm engaged!" To Jimmy coming clean to Maxima "I in love with someone else." That's the moment that matters IMO. No matter how hot Davis is or how many people claim that Chloe has forgotten Jimmy during that scene, at the breaking point she chooses Jimmy.

Uh... you have a point with Jimmy as the safe choice. I felt that way all during Season 6 until the very end. The end of "Noir." "Cure." "Gemini." The proposal in "Artic." And now "Committed." These episodes really... took Chimmy beyond transitional, healing, rebound love for me. I respect that Chimmy doesn't do it for you.

Jimmy does remind me a bit of Gabe. I don't know if that's good or bad. (ETA. It's good.) But someone who enjoys life. Who makes the most of the little things. Who makes everyday joys magical. Jimmy pays attention to detail with Chloe. Mmmm. I'm going to enjoy it while it lasts. But I hear what you're saying Khyla.


IMO Chloe has moved on; it's as simple as that...otherwise they wouldn't have made the point of hooking her up to a lie detector to prove it.

I agree. I think the point was to show that Chloe has moved on. If anything in the scene relates to Brainiac it's the jolt of electricity. I could see that as the starting gun that activates Brainiac's gradual awakening within Chloe.

[Novak Fan]

She's exploring another relationship and not waiting around for Clark. I'm not saying that she doesn't love Jimmy, but she isn't in love with him. She's trying to make it work but it won't.


Still I don't think that Chloe would do that...getting married to a guy just to explore another relationship? :\ I think she's better than that.

[ShelbyKent]

For now, I'm going with what AM said in her TV Guide interview and I quote:

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Allison-Mack-Smallville-20069.aspx


"Well, on the one hand, she's still doing work with Clark and getting married to Jimmy and doing her lovely, good-girl Chloe thing, and on the other hand she's struggling with this "pull" towards Davis and these dark, evil tendencies and a want to destroy things, which is very much Brainiac. She has a massive pull between these two sides of her that’s (s)he's struggling to suppress until she learns to understand it".

Based on the above interview, wanting to get married to & being in a relationship with Jimmy falls under "good girl Chloe" mode, not Chloeiac. So I think good ol' regular Chloe was in control during the Rogue!Jeweller scene.

But I'm willing to keep an open mind as we find out more about Chloe's condition in future eppies

[Khyla]

^ and i'm NOT one who subscribes to that notion that Brainiac is influenced her decision s about Jimmy.


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please don't hate me , but i have some serious bones to pick w/ ur post
In my opinion Jimmy's genuine, gentle caring and love for Chloe over the course of two years beats out Clark's ambiguity.
STOP right there. say what???? Jimmy who broke up with chloe twice , who almost every episode brings up his insecurities regarding her and Clark, who went out with Kara for a period of time during those "2 years" ? ???


There's no denying that Chloe put a lot of herself into her relationship with Clark. I don't think she'll ever be able to match that kind of devotion with any other relationship in her life. But the scales were tipped very heavily on Chloe's side. i can not agrre with that . what i have seen, is equal balance of support, need, care, and concern from both of them, "i'm here no matter what...", /--"that goes both ways CHloe". "You won't be alone,I'll stand right by your side"/, "I'm always here for u Clark." , don't know what i'd do w/out u."/"the world needs u, i need u!"



As far as the hugs in Odyssey go... I don't get it. You compare Jimmy to a dog wagging his tail but it's more like tail between his legs. Chloe was doing the waggingwhat i meant there was that the kind of love she has for him, is like the kind of love you have for a puppy that jumps into your lap when you come home from work. she enjoys him. he's usually fun. but he's basically just her boytoy as far as i can see.


I got a giggle out of Chloe's reaction to Davis. She gives him the hottest glance after he supports Chimmy.
??? When was this? first off, Davis thought she was engaged to Clark! And when he tells her that if she has found REAL love, for certain, to HOLD ON to it. SHe looks away at that point and WE see a very unsure look on her face. i didn't even refer to the chem between her and Davis, but yeah there were def some electricity there!



Uh... you have a point with Jimmy as the safe choice. I felt that way all during Season 6 until the very end. The end of "Noir." "Cure." "Gemini." The proposal in "Artic." And now "Committed." These episodes really... took Chimmy beyond transitional, healing, rebound love for me. I respect that Chimmy doesn't do it for you.

But someone who enjoys life. Who makes the most of the little things. Who makes everyday joys magical. Jimmy pays attention to detail with Chloe

Also I think Chloe was looking at their photos on the laptop because she was trying to convince herself of her feelings for Jimmy. esp. after he just told her to ask hweself why she never said "those things to him (re: love letter) and now she finds out that he's been lying to her since thay met, about his life hisoty, his fsmily, where and how he grew up. He even said he was going to Thanksgiving dinner with his folks. How is that an honest relationship? SHe likewise hasn;t told him about her "infection" and superintellect courtesy of Brainiac. It's more like their trying to play house together but it does't all add up. How could Jimmy not detect that there;s something different about her, when Clark caught on right away? It reminds me of the Clana situation , and also where Bizarro had taken Clark's place.

[Kalista]

Khyla, let's not forget that he took her virginity and didn't call her. More recently, he has tried to get out of the engagement, TWICE. She practically had to propose to him in Odyssey before he would act agreeable.

[ShelbyKent]

How could Jimmy not detect that there;s something different about her, when Clark caught on right away? Clark only caught on because Chloe was able to track the origin of an obscure poisonous flower just based on traces found in Ollies body (Toxic) And she did it in record time, too (with the super freaky speed reading)

Clark had no choice but to conclude that there was something different about Chloe because what she did went beyond her usual researching prowess, and knowing what he knows about Brainiac's encounter with Chloe. Otherwise, I don't think Clark would find out either.

In fairness, Jimmy never had the opportunity to witness Chloe do such complicated research, so how is he supposed to catch on so far? I'm just sayin' .....
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[FlashInSV]

The thought occured to me that maybe Chloe had a little 'help' cheating the lie detector. I dunno, it seemed to me like it was hardly getting any pulse from her at all.

[stenochick]

Oh I'm sorry. I just... would hope that if Chloe had feelings for Clark she would take a chance on them and not marry someone else. She does have a history of putting up her defenses when it comes to Clark. That interpretation just seems to cast Chloe as the little mermaid. A character who will love someone without reciprocation until she fades away into sea foam. It makes her a stagnant character. Despite all that she's been through, she's still doing what she's done since Season 2. *sigh*

Maybe she has gathered enough "evidence" to know that Clark will never pursue her or fall in love with her and that they are meant to have a platonic relationship, so what would be the point of her being open with Clark? She allowed him to read her letter to him from six years ago and he still did not confess his love for her. She knows where she stands with him.

She may have realized that she has suffered for years with a very intense, painful crush on Clark that has not been reciprocated and the best thing is to just grieve the loss of what will never be and move on to a man that is in love with her enough to pursue her and propose marriage to her.

Also, Clark is an alien. Just by virtue of that fact, he is a complicated, high maintenance guy. Maybe Chloe wants a future with a man that will not cause her to be in constant danger from earthly and alien threats, and one in which she can have a normal sex life, get pregnant, and have babies. If Clark got Chloe pregnant, she would not even be able to go to the doctor for prenatal care for fear of exposing the secret. Could she even survive carrying a partly non-human fetus? There are a lot of question marks and risks involved in a future with Clark.

I think if Clark were to declare his love for Chloe and court her, she would take on any risk that would come with being in a committed relationship with him, but so far, it does not look like Clark wants that. But Jimmy does want that, and Chloe loves Jimmy enough to say yes to it.

[alan2990]

The way I see is that the new theme for this season is progress. This episode's goal was to clearly show that the road has been paved for Clark and Lois.

To do this they had to show us Clark and Lois' feelings for each other, that Chloe has truly moved on, and that Oliver has moved on to Tess. What better and obvious way than to do it with a lie detector test?

Actually that was the only way, because if they did it any other way, the viewer's would still deep in their hearts believe in Chlark and/or Lollie.

And as for the pause in the lie detector scene-- it was basically to be dramatic. The writers all knew what we were anticipating when the killer asked Chloe that question..

[ginnyfan]

^I agree Alan.


^ and i'm NOT one who subscribes to that notion that Brainiac is influenced her decision s about Jimmy.

STOP right there. say what???? Jimmy who broke up with chloe twice , who almost every episode brings up his insecurities regarding her and Clark, who went out with Kara for a period of time during those "2 years" ? ???

Yes. IMO there is no question that Chloe is his first choice. He goes out of his way to do special things for her and let her know without a doubt how much he cares. Jimmy has shown Chloe love and support over the course of 2 years and it's never in the context of her working for him. It's just because of who she is. Jimmy has faults and he and Chloe have had ups and downs but Jimmy has shown had gentle, genuine caring and love toward Chloe over the course of their two years together.


i can not agrre with that . what i have seen, is equal balance of support, need, care, and concern from both of them, "i'm here no matter what...", /--"that goes both ways CHloe". "You won't be alone,I'll stand right by your side"/, "I'm always here for u Clark." , don't know what i'd do w/out u."/"the world needs u, i need u!"

If you are saying that Clark verbalizing his appreciation for Chloe's self sacrificial love and devotion equalizes their relationship since season five I disagree. Yes Clark appreciates Chloe. Yes Clark loves Chloe (as a friend IMO) but romantically he's been ambiguous about his feelings. And working together Chloe sacrifices more for Clark than he does for her, always.


what i meant there was that the kind of love she has for him, is like the kind of love you have for a puppy that jumps into your lap when you come home from work. she enjoys him. he's usually fun. but he's basically just her boytoy as far as i can see.

Well that's your opinion which is just as valid as mine. We are at an impasse. Tess was trying to use Oliver as her boytoy. I think she was just doing it for revenge but... that's not what I see from Chloe. Jimmy delights her. He's fun and funny. He's quirky. I don't think Chloe is that shallow. I mean... maybe at first it was all fun and light and non-serious on Chloe's end. But at the end of season 6 when Jimmy left (after being the hero in "Noir")and definitely during Season 7 when Jimmy supported Chloe's meteor freakiness... the relationship became more. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point regarding Chloe's character and her feelings for Jimmy.


??? When was this? first off, Davis thought she was engaged to Clark! And when he tells her that if she has found REAL love, for certain, to HOLD ON to it. SHe looks away at that point and WE see a very unsure look on her face. i didn't even refer to the chem between her and Davis, but yeah there were def some electricity there!

LOL! I know. Didn't I just say that he never saw Jimmy nor did he know anything about her engagement? He was just giving Chloe his unconditional support and wishing for her happiness. I'm just saying that Chloe finds that sexy. I don't think that's a mark against Jimmy. Well unsure in that moment or not, CHLOE asserts Jimmy into the conversation and CHLOE chooses Jimmy in the episodes that follow.


Also I think Chloe was looking at their photos on the laptop because she was trying to convince herself of her feelings for Jimmy. esp. after he just told her to ask hweself why she never said "those things to him (re: love letter) and now she finds out that he's been lying to her since thay met, about his life hisoty, his fsmily, where and how he grew up. He even said he was going to Thanksgiving dinner with his folks. How is that an honest relationship? SHe likewise hasn;t told him about her "infection" and superintellect courtesy of Brainiac. It's more like their trying to play house together but it does't all add up. How could Jimmy not detect that there;s something different about her, when Clark caught on right away? It reminds me of the Clana situation , and also where Bizarro had taken Clark's place.

That's as valid an interpretation as any. I think she was feeling bummed out and thinking about what Jimmy said. Whatever her thought process was, it led her to classify her feelings for Clark in the "fever letter" as a school girl crush and her feelings for Jimmy as a lasting love worth pursuing.

Yes Jimmy lied about his family etc. It's not good. We've finally come to the root of Jimmy's insecurities. Chloe has forgiven him for that lie. Yes Chloe hasn't told Jimmy about her Brainiac infection so that could become an obstacle later. None of this means that when Chloe answered the polygraph test she wasn't being honest about only loving Jimmy. I'd say the way she behaved regarding the fever letter would play into the polygraph test perfectly. Even by your interpretation of the scene, Chloe seems to have "convinced" herself that what she felt for Clark was a school girl crush, what she feels for Clark now is deep friendship love for a BFF and what she feels for Jimmy is love.

I agree with ShelbyKent on the point about Clark figuring out Chloe's brainiac infection before Jimmy. LOL!


Khyla, let's not forget that he took her virginity and didn't call her. More recently, he has tried to get out of the engagement, TWICE. She practically had to propose to him in Odyssey before he would act agreeable.

Ha! Well... I took and continue to take my cue from Chloe. I want her to be happy. If Jimmy were such a dog to Chloe at the Daily Planet as an intern, why did she smile when she saw him again? We don't know the details of why Jimmy didn't call Chloe back, seems to me that his statement was a joke. Long distance relationships are difficult for adults let alone two fifteen-year-old kids. As far as Jimmy getting out of the engagement, he knows he's keeping huge secrets from Chloe, he has deeply ingrained insecurities from his difficult childhood and alcoholic father AND he seems to feel as several other SV fans feel, that Chloe loves Clark... or at least that he's not good enough for Chloe. I think Jimmy figured that Chloe wouldn't want to marry him. I think he decided to take her on her own terms rather than break up with her because she wasn't that serious about him. He was ready to continue a relationship that was fun and not so serious.... not so committed. CHLOE initiated the next step. Why? If he's her boytoy, lapdog... why not seize that blessed opportunity to just have fun the way things were?

Your post does not sway me from any of my original statements. Jimmy makes Chloe happy. She doesn't have to try and psychoanalyze Jimmy to figure out of deep down he loves her or could ever love her, Jimmy declares it proudly. She doesn't work herself to the bone for Jimmy with only a thank you as a reward. Jimmy does special things for her just because she's Chloe Sullivan. Jimmy sometimes brings CHLOE leads for stories. At first I thought... oooh Chloe gets to have fun. But over the course of the episodes I named in my earlier post I saw that there was more there than just frivolity. If you don't see it that's ok. :)

Great post stenochick. I agree with a lot of what you say in your post. I think that's where Chloe was at the end of Season 5. If that's where she is now...I guess I wish that Chloe would be honest. If what you say is true and Chloe still loves Clark and would be with Clark if he wanted her, I wish she'd tell Jimmy. Maybe that's not realistic. But... I feel that she's not being fair to Jimmy or Clark presenting the fever letter dishonestly. Also, I just don't see why she's so desperate to marry Jimmy if she still loves Clark. Why wouldn't she just take Jimmy on his offer to just continue their... relationship... without the seriousness of commitment?

I dislike the idea that Chloe's making this last ditch desperate attempt at happiness which will not work and then she will fade away into sea foam whispering Clark's name with her last breath. Ug.

[Kalista]

Ha! Well... I took and continue to take my cue from Chloe. I want her to be happy. If Jimmy were such a dog to Chloe at the Daily Planet as an intern, why did she smile when she saw him again? We don't know the details of why Jimmy didn't call Chloe back, seems to me that his statement was a joke.

He wasn't joking when he asked her if she was upset because he didn't call. Just because began dating him, doesn't mean that it was a good idea. It sets a bad precedent for the relationship and Jimmy has continued to make serious mistakes after their DP intern fling.


Long distance relationships are difficult for adults let alone two fifteen-year-old kids. As far as Jimmy getting out of the engagement, he knows he's keeping huge secrets from Chloe, he has deeply ingrained insecurities from his difficult childhood and alcoholic father AND he seems to feel as several other SV fans feel, that Chloe loves Clark... or at least that he's not good enough for Chloe. I think Jimmy figured that Chloe wouldn't want to marry him. I think he decided to take her on her own terms rather than break up with her because she wasn't that serious about him.

Yet, Chloe had to convince him to agree to her acceptance of his proposal. Her acceptance should have served as a sign to him that she

He was ready to continue a relationship that was fun and not so serious.... not so committed. CHLOE initiated the next step.


Why? If he's her boytoy, lapdog... why not seize that blessed opportunity to just have fun the way things were?

I don't like the terms boytoy and lapdog because I don't think that Chloe is using Jimmy.


Your post does not sway me from any of my original statements.

I didn't expect that it would.:confused:


Jimmy makes Chloe happy. She doesn't have to try and psychoanalyze Jimmy to figure out of deep down he loves her or could ever love her, Jimmy declares it proudly. She doesn't work herself to the bone for Jimmy with only a thank you as a reward. Jimmy does special things for her just because she's Chloe Sullivan. Jimmy sometimes brings CHLOE leads for stories. At first I thought... oooh Chloe gets to have fun. But over the course of the episodes I named in my earlier post I saw that there was more there than just frivolity. If you don't see it that's ok. :)

Jimmy and Chloe have had their happy moments but Jimmy's insecurities lead to constant disagreements and Chloe is always trying to reassure him. Their dating, sleeping together, and now living together and that isn't enough for Jimmy. Being with Chloe hasn't stopped his wandering eye. I do see that she cares for him, but she is not in love with him. She knows it and so does Jimmy. Also, I don't think you are being fair to Clark, he has done alot more for Chloe than simply say thank you. He has saved her life on many occasions and is willing to die for her. He looks out for Chloe.


I guess I wish that Chloe would be honest. If what you say is true and Chloe still loves Clark and would be with Clark if he wanted her, I wish she'd tell Jimmy. Maybe that's not realistic.

That is not realistic. Look how Jimmy is behaving even though Chloe has agreed to marry him. Why would she tell Jimmy, when she is really trying to move on from Clark and make things work?


But... I feel that she's not being fair to Jimmy or Clark presenting the fever letter dishonestly.

Chloe's defense mechanisms have been firmly in place since Tempest. Only a major catastrophe, like the incidents in Vessel or Apocalypse, could make her admit how he she feels. The same thing applies to Clark and I think we will see more of that as the season progresses.


Also, I just don't see why she's so desperate to marry Jimmy if she still loves Clark. Why wouldn't she just take Jimmy on his offer to just continue their... relationship... without the seriousness of commitment?

Because it's Chimmy's real shot.:lol:

[ginnyfan]

He wasn't joking when he asked her if she was upset because he didn't call. Just because began dating him, doesn't mean that it was a good idea. It sets a bad precedent for the relationship and Jimmy has continued to make serious mistakes after their DP intern fling.

So why did Chloe smile?


Yet, Chloe had to convince him to agree to her acceptance of his proposal. Her acceptance should have served as a sign to him that she...

Yeah... Jimmy's insecure. He doesn't want to lose Chloe.


I don't like the terms boytoy and lapdog because I don't think that Chloe is using Jimmy.

I agree.


I didn't expect that it would.:confused:

Don't be confused. I didn't expect that you expected that it would.


Jimmy and Chloe have had their happy moments

THANK YOU!


but Jimmy's insecurities lead to constant disagreements and Chloe is always trying to reassure him. Their dating, sleeping together, and now living together and that isn't enough for Jimmy.

I agree that it would have been more mature of Jimmy to simply trust Chloe. But one of Jimmy's flaws is that he's insecure. The bond that Clark and Chloe have (which Davis saw as well) combined with what we've just learned about Jimmy's past AND a need for the writers to address Chloe's long held crush for Clark were a deadly combination in this area.


Being with Chloe hasn't stopped his wandering eye.

I disagree. There's no question IMO that Chloe is Jimmy's one and only.


I do see that she cares for him, but she is not in love with him. She knows it and so does Jimmy.


Also, I don't think you are being fair to Clark, he has done a lot more for Chloe than simply say thank you. He has saved her life on many occasions and is willing to die for her. He looks out for Chloe.

That's true. But what Clark has done for Chloe ONLY is say very lovely thank yous. He saves lots of people. He's been willing to die on behalf of lots of people. But the unique Chlark possibility moments are Clark telling Chloe thank you and that he appreciates her. He gives her a glance or a touch or a statement that feeds Chloe's crush without crossing the line between romance and friendship. Saying these lovely thank yous while dating Lana does not put them on equal footing in the romantic love department. We KNOW that Love for Clark fuels a lot of Chloe's behavior throughout the series. For Clark all we know for sure is friendship and appreciation. That's good but not equal IMO. And he has explicitly said that he doesn't feel for Chloe what she feels for him. Chloe has potentially given career advancement working for him. She's spent several evenings after hours working for him. Yes... she's saving the world but... I believe she did it because she loved Clark. I don't see any sacrifices that large coming from Clark's end. Though he has sacrificed that way for Lana. I don't think this sacrificial love is all that healthy honestly.


That is not realistic. Look how Jimmy is behaving even though Chloe has agreed to marry him. Why would she tell Jimmy, when she is really trying to move on from Clark and make things work?

Because otherwise she's living a lie? Or has she fooled herself into believing that she only loves Jimmy?


Chloe's defense mechanisms have been firmly in place since Tempest. Only a major catastrophe, like the incidents in Vessel or Apocalypse, could make her admit how he she feels. The same thing applies to Clark and I think we will see more of that as the season progresses.

I'll be on the lookout. Especially on Clark's end. :)


Because it's Chimmy's real shot.:lol:

LOL! But from Chloe's POV why? Why would she, knowing that she loves Clark and doesn't really love Jimmy despite all the fun they have... why wouldn't see seize on the opportunity to dial the relationship back to "fun" territory?

[SueB]

There's no question IMO that Chloe is Jimmy's one and only.


Hilarious video which begs to differ (thanks to TWoP for tip):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzUWNCxYztA

Chloe passing the lie detector without so much as an ounce of angst is inconsistent. Now they've abandoned much of the subtleties of the series this year so it could be just that Chloe loves Jimmy and that's all there is. It could also be the Chloiac thing which accounts for the inconsistency. Heck, I don't know if the writers know or left it open for later use if they wanted.


LOL! But from Chloe's POV why? Why would she, knowing that she loves Clark and doesn't really love Jimmy despite all the fun they have... why wouldn't see seize on the opportunity to dial the relationship back to "fun" territory?

The ONLY motivation for this turn of events (if it's happening) is for Brainiac to separate Chloe & Clark. Perhaps he wants to stay close enough to influence Clark via Chloe but have an excuse for being different/distant and getting married is pretty convenient. He recognized Chloe is always meddling in his dealing with Clark--- he wants to stop that. As of the end of S7, Chloe also had more influence over Clark than anyone else. If he doesn't have the physical strength to beat him, Brainiac has already said he's trying to control him. Again... this requires subtlety I'm not sure they are capable of pulling off anymore -- but it is possible.

[eas]

It's only a theory. But in order to defeat the lie detector and avoid most Olsen-shockage, we got a LONG cut to the computerized lie detector with Chloe staring at it before answering "honestly".

I know, I'm likely stretching, but it was the first thing I thought of when I saw that cut-away. You'll note we didn't get one like it when Lois was forced to confess.

Thoughts?

No, I don't think she did. I think she had to think before she answered the question, because she didn't know the answer. She was afraid that she might have residual feelings for Clark and had to some soul searching there.

I'm not a fan of Chimmy, by any means, but I think her profession of love was honest there. As a fan of Chloe, I hope it's honest, because I would hate for her to go through with this wedding to Jimmy and still be in love with Clark. That would be mean on her part.

Also, I think the lie detector picked up changes in the heart-rate... not the brain activity. The sense I get is that Brainiac has infected her brain (like a disease) but it hasn't spread to the rest of her body, yet. The way she feels about Jimmy comes from her heart (in a symbolic, not a biological, way) and she loves him. In her own way, she loves him.

I still think that Chloe and Jimmy won't be together by the end of S8, though. I think they'll break up.

[ginnyfan]

Hilarious video which begs to differ (thanks to TWoP for tip):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzUWNCxYztA

*snort* No thanks.



Chloe passing the lie detector without so much as an ounce of angst is inconsistent. Now they've abandoned much of the subtleties of the series this year so it could be just that Chloe loves Jimmy and that's all there is.

Well... there's been plenty of angst leading up to the lie detector test. I think Clark reading the fever letter was set up as helping Chloe to close the door on her crush once and for all. She still loves Clark but not romantically.


It could also be the Chloiac thing which accounts for the inconsistency. Heck, I don't know if the writers know or left it open for later use if they wanted.

Perhaps. I think Chloe was being sincere. No brainiac interference or secret thoughts of Clark necessary.


The ONLY motivation for this turn of events (if it's happening) is for Brainiac to separate Chloe & Clark.

It hasn't worked so far.


Perhaps he wants to stay close enough to influence Clark via Chloe but have an excuse for being different/distant and getting married is pretty convenient. He recognized Chloe is always meddling in his dealing with Clark--- he wants to stop that. As of the end of S7, Chloe also had more influence over Clark than anyone else. If he doesn't have the physical strength to beat him, Brainiac has already said he's trying to control him. Again... this requires subtlety I'm not sure they are capable of pulling off anymore -- but it is possible.

Hmm. I don't understand how marrying Jimmy is going to keep Chloe away from Clark. It won't. Plain and simple. I don't understand how Chloe marrying Jimmy is going to control Clark either. So this plan just doesn't make sense.

[SueB]

Also, I think the lie detector picked up changes in the heart-rate... not the brain activity.

Actually it picks up heart rate from the chest strap and increase conductivity due to sweat on the figures from discomfort. The needle should have been swinging ALL over the place when Lois had a hard time answering --- not just responding when she said "yes" or "no". BUT, this is not something I would expect SV to know. The only way to pass the test is to absolutely believe you're telling the truth because you can do so without discomfort. It's usually in the anticipation of the lie that the needle goes nutty, more than the actual lie.

As for Chloe's ability to pass IF (and it's an IF) she was lying. The brain controls body function, voluntary and involuntary -- that would be in the realm of controllable by Brainiac if he was cognizant enough to do so. The other option is that Chloe saw the way it was heading, easily answered the cheating question and interpreted his "are you in love with anyone else" in the way that suits her to say yes. With a superior intellect she's demonstrating, that actually would not be very hard at all to insert reasonable logic to say "yes" and KNOW she could beat the machine. If she was worried about beating the machine, she wouldn't be able to do so.

Again, it's an option if they want it -- it's also perfectly interpretable that Jimmy is her tru luv in her head now and she's completely over Clark to the point of it not bothering her at all.


I don't understand how marrying Jimmy is going to keep Chloe away from Clark. It won't. Plain and simple. I don't understand how Chloe marrying Jimmy is going to control Clark either. So this plan just doesn't make sense.

Since you are asking, I'm presuming you are sincere so I'll expound:

- Just like Chloe was the first one to detect Bizarro in Clark, Clark was the first to spot Brainiac in Chloe -- already done probably no way to hide that.
- BUT, up until the engagement, Chloe "You know I'm always there for you Clark" Sullivan, was at Clark's beck and call. SINCE the engagement (as expressed in Toxic --- and possibly on purpose), Chlark is spending less time together. For what purpose? Well perhaps Brainiac is either taking over Chloe from time to time and she's not noticing it (bad for an ever-present Clark to witness) OR he's steering Chloe to actions that Clark would find out of character. IF they are spending less time together, Clark may not pick up on those actions. Further, if Brainiac has access to the Chlark memories, he knows this is an uncomfortable time for the two of them as they redefine their relationship (the speech at the end of Plastique). So, any touchyness on the part of Chloe or behavior that is a bit off would be more easily dismissed by Clark as part of their relationship re-definition. It's a subtlety to be sure but Clark himself has said in the past that he gets away with alot of stuff because people just look for more rationale explanations. Clark is more likely to rationalize that Chloe is distant or having a disagreement with Clark because of Jimmy than because Brainiac is taking over.
- So, how does Chloe control Clark as Brainiac? Well, it's not exactly control and more like steering and/or misdirection until his plan (whatever that is) comes to fruition. It's kind of like when he pretended to be Lionel and sent him to Dax-Ur. This allowed Brainiac to find Dax-Ur and get repaired. Clark still comes to Chloe for all things Kryptonian. Sam Witwer says it in his interviews --- you TRUST Chloe and that is why his character is introduced through her. So, Chloe can send Clark off on different directions if it serves Brainiac's purpose. At this point, (IF this is happening) Brainiac has Clark convinced Chloe is a supergenius with Kryptonian knowledge who is completely steering her own ship. The help w/ Maxima & the poison are there to 1) maintain that trust and 2) prevent Clark from running off with Slutty Anna (in the case of Maxima). So... what is Brainiac after --- don't know. It's a long game they've got going here but I'm guessing it's not a simple "kill Clark" answer. Someone pointed out the three orbs (the Brainiac symbol) in a bowl between Clark and Chloe during a conversation. This is not out of the realm that he has some purpose. We also have the icky interview comment about strange attraction b/w Doomsday & Chloe based on the darkness inside her. After the two attempts by Brainiac to repopulate a Kryptonian world on earth -- and I really hope they don't go there --- it's theoretical that this is part of it. Still, we know Clark is the key to the FoS with that crystal so if somehow the FoS is part of the Brainiac plan --- he'll need Clark alive and in his (i/e Chloe's) orbit trusting him until he gets what he wants.

And what does Chloe know? Is Chloe in there and oblivious or fighting? Don't know. It may all make perfect sense to her why she's making choices and she doesn't realize she's not steering her own ship. And BTW, IF they are going this route, then instead of the Traveler being a Lex-bot, we have the parallel with Chloe being a Brainiac-bot.

Again, big caveat -- this may be faaaarrr to subtle for the team that came up with the lie detector plot as a shipper device.

[ginnyfan]

Seems like being tied to an electric chair would bother all of them too and interfere with accuracy.

[Chlarkrocks]

I'm in between right now I think she lied, butin a way she wasn't because we all know that Chloe has been trying to not love Clark since SEASON 1! As for the Brianaic I think he would try to act like Chloe so no one would know!

[bklvr]

What an interesting bunch of theories! Hmmm.

I guess I feel that the writers want us to believe in Chimmy, want us to close the door on Chlark, and so came up with the lie detector test as a rather clumsy and obvious way to seal what they began with the Fever letter discussion.

Now, I don't ship any particular way, and I would be happy with Chimmy if I felt it was believable, but I just don't feel it. (No offense to you Chimmy shippers out there.)

I could believe Chloe with Clark, or Davis, or even Ollie, but somehow it seems false with Jimmy. And I am trying to figure out why. I have a lot of respect for AM as an actress - so is it intentional? Some deep plot device I am not seeing? Or is it a chemistry (or, significantly, lack thereof) thing between the two actors? Or something else entirely?

Just wondering....

[supercatmom]

What I took was that Chloe told the truth. She is not romanticlly in love with Clark anymore and in her own word to Jimmy "That ship sailed many years age".

What she has been telling Jimmy for 2 years and what she told Clark in this episode. They are BFF's and will be forever.

As for anything else, like she told Clark, "You missed that boat".

Now I know that will upset the Chlark shippers, but as for me, I glad to see Chloe finally over Clark and moving on with her life.

[Iluvgreen]

CHLOE DIDN'T BEAT IT! dude that was true feelings right there. :)

[ginnyfan]

CHLOE DIDN'T BEAT IT! dude that was true feelings right there. :)

Chloe loves Jimmy! <3

[borednow]

What I took was that Chloe told the truth. She is not romanticlly in love with Clark anymore and in her own word to Jimmy "That ship sailed many years age".

What she has been telling Jimmy for 2 years and what she told Clark in this episode. They are BFF's and will be forever.

As for anything else, like she told Clark, "You missed that boat".

Now I know that will upset the Chlark shippers, but as for me, I glad to see Chloe finally over Clark and moving on with her life.
*standing ovation*

[dixiepixie]

I think Chloe was telling the truth. She really does love Jimmy.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


What I took was that Chloe told the truth. She is not romanticlly in love with Clark anymore and in her own word to Jimmy "That ship sailed many years age".

What she has been telling Jimmy for 2 years and what she told Clark in this episode. They are BFF's and will be forever.

As for anything else, like she told Clark, "You missed that boat".

Now I know that will upset the Chlark shippers, but as for me, I glad to see Chloe finally over Clark and moving on with her life.


...Well said...