Power Loop Hole

[Yoshua]

Ummm

Sylar has the ability to hear a heart beat a 100 feet away. Did the writers forget he could hear every word HRG was saying?

Again, either they are making the characters dumber or are assuming the people watching the show don't pay attention. Sylar has full control over all of his abilities. He listens to whispers at long distances. Cockroaches crawling can make his ears bleed of he pays attention to them.....


Loop.... Hole. He woulda jetted out of there the minute he thought he was in trouble, come back and killed them all.

[silverdragon]

maybe he would have ran....but he heard claire trying to persuade HRG not to kill him...so he decided to give them the benefit of the doubt

[Yoshua]

maybe he would have ran....but he heard claire trying to persuade HRG not to kill him...so he decided to give them the benefit of the doubt

According to his power he should have heard the entire conversation crystal clear. The on screen showed it muffled at best.

[JW_102792]

Well, when they were in the car after, Sylar said he knew what HRG was doing, so it's possible he did hear him. He wouldn't kill them because he's trying to change, and if he was listening to the conversation, he would know the guy wasn't going to kill him.

Also, I read somewhere that Sylar lost all his abilities (minus telekinesis & his original ability) with the virus... I don't know if it's true, so don't believe it, because I don't 100%, but it would explain why he couldn't hear the conversation, and why he hasn't used some of his other powers.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

I think that he heard everything and he have all his old abilities he just dont use them.
How could he explode in future if he loose all of his abilities??????
HRG is still alive because Sylar want to change himself because of his mother

[oldblackmagick]

i was so just about to put in "how did he have ted's power in the future (ep 4 future)" but u beat me to it...they have to have some suspenseful moments and its possible he didn't care enough to listen to their conversation...he is trying to b a better person and that means respecting some boundaries especially those of his family (claire is his niece and noah is kinda a brother in law:p)

[Merfish]

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Also, I read somewhere that Sylar lost all his abilities (minus telekinesis & his original ability) with the virus... I don't know if it's true, so don't believe it, because I don't 100%, but it would explain why he couldn't hear the conversation, and why he hasn't used some of his other powers.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the shanti virus made him forget how to use his original power, how things work and so he "lost" all his powers but the two that were deepseated in him.

For those who think otherwise because in the future, he could paint and nuke, almost everyone has powers, a smorgasbord for Sylar, he probably had everypower then, the same with future peter.

[Superboy2]

I wish they'd show how many powers Peter and Sylar have. Too bad neither Sylar nor Peter got that vortex power.

[j-kent]

Well, when they were in the car after, Sylar said he knew what HRG was doing, so it's possible he did hear him. He wouldn't kill them because he's trying to change, and if he was listening to the conversation, he would know the guy wasn't going to kill him.

Also, I read somewhere that Sylar lost all his abilities (minus telekinesis & his original ability) with the virus... I don't know if it's true, so don't believe it, because I don't 100%, but it would explain why he couldn't hear the conversation, and why he hasn't used some of his other powers.

No...Sylar has all his abilities still. The virus only suppressed his abilities. This logic can be seen by inferring to the future (episode "I am Become Death"): Future Sylar went nuclear and destroyed Costa Verde. This radiation power was taken earlier (before the virus) from the Geico cave/radiation man who was in police transport.

A power used 4 to 5 year later, all powers remain intact.

[oldblackmagick]

plus there is no way he could get powers from everyone else unless he killed them and future sylar was good so i don't see him taking new powers in the future...this show is so confusing to talk about or explain...i had the same trouble with buffy...spike has a soul, a chip, and a trigger and the chip was given to him by the government and he couldn't hit buffy until she died and came back due to willow's spell and then spike and buffy started having sex but she hated him and herself...and you see why my head is always minutes from exploding...these shows are just too damn good:D:D

[kp1984]

Wonder why he did'nt pull a subzero on Knox and freeze him? Guess the same reason Clark forget he has heat vision sometime.

[j-kent]

Wonder why he did'nt pull a subzero on Knox and freeze him? Guess the same reason Clark forget he has heat vision sometime.

wait what...wrong thread? lol

[JW_102792]

Yeah, I forgot about him going nuclear in the future... I did say I didn't believe that he lost his powers, it's just something I read...

I'd say it's completely possible Sylar was listening to the conversation, since in the car he said he knew that Noah was trying to get Vortex to kill him. Not necessarily super hearing, it wouldn't be too hard to piece it together, and Sylar does have a power to help him with that.

[Superboy2]

Does he really need to kill people to gain their power? Or was it just the hunger?

[XSE_Greystone]

Well, when they were in the car after, Sylar said he knew what HRG was doing, so it's possible he did hear him. He wouldn't kill them because he's trying to change, and if he was listening to the conversation, he would know the guy wasn't going to kill him.

Also, I read somewhere that Sylar lost all his abilities (minus telekinesis & his original ability) with the virus... I don't know if it's true, so don't believe it, because I don't 100%, but it would explain why he couldn't hear the conversation, and why he hasn't used some of his other powers.

See i was thinking that exact thing about his powers cause in when he took Claire's he said that he had lost his powers and was going to get them all back so it made me think he lost them...also since we haven't seen him use any other than TK but if he did lose his borrowed powers then he should have definitely lost his TK but only kept his "how things work" power. Then Litle Bit More Bizarre reminded me how Sylar used Ted's powers in the future so now i'm just not sure. But it looked like Sylar could hear everything cause of how he was reacting and he also stated in the car how HRG tried to kill him.

[JW_102792]

I just found the link to the information about Sylar losing his abilities, if you want to read it it's here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281 (May contain spoilers, I didn't read it all) It's about 3/4 down the page, beside a picture with Peter/Claire.

So, it looks like he did lose his powers, but ended up getting them back in the future.

[Yoshua]

Does he really need to kill people to gain their power? Or was it just the hunger?

He doesnt need to kill them,that is the hunger.

If he could get his hands on the enzyme they produce without cutting off the top of their heads he would understand it just the same. Claire heals, that is why she didn't die.

[rocana]

Originally Posted by JW_102792
I just found the link to the information about Sylar losing his abilities, if you want to read it it's here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=18281 (May contain spoilers, I didn't read it all) It's about 3/4 down the page, beside a picture with Peter/Claire.

So, it looks like he did lose his powers, but ended up getting them back in the future.

I had read that too, but it still doesn't make any sense. Sure I guess he could get the future painting ability since it seems more common, but a nuclear ability can't be a common power unless cities start blowing up all over the world. It just seems really odd that he would happen to regain these two particular powers and use them in this one scene. Maybe the writers are trying to throw us off?

[thedarknight]

I think he's just temporarily lost his old abilities, and he will eventually learn to get them all back.

[Dpyro]

yeah cause remember the episode when sylar found claire he said he wasnt fully healed or something maybe his powers are gone

[edwinisdenim]

this is what i think: the future Sylar that gone nuclear is a different time lined than the one with present. Maybe the future Sylar didnt even lose his power or surpressed by the virus as such. If they suffer the same fate as the present, then future Peter would not even have the scar. Get my point? So i conclude that i believe most of Sylar's intial powers all gone. What he has now is the current obtained powers.

[Yoshua]

this is what i think: the future Sylar that gone nuclear is a different time lined than the one with present. Maybe the future Sylar didnt even lose his power or surpressed by the virus as such. If they suffer the same fate as the present, then future Peter would not even have the scar. Get my point? So i conclude that i believe most of Sylar's intial powers all gone. What he has now is the current obtained powers.

Thats not possible.

From the moment you leave the current timeline to the future you are going in a straight line. When you come back it has a chance to veer off course but until you come back it is a straight line.

the shift is that the time line is supposed to be without YOU while you are in the future but Heroes suspends disbelief on that aspect and doesnt use that as part of their cannon.

[27CDruid]

Hang on, hang on! At the end of season two Sylar used telekinesis to grab the can of spinach. Hence, he still has his powers.

[JW_102792]

He's used Telekinesis a few times since then, but none of his others. The writers said he lost everything but his original power and telekinesis, so either he kills someone with future seeing/nuclear power between now and the future, he gets his other abilities back, or they just forgot they had said he lost his powers (I doubt it)

[The Ninth Doctor]

Yeah, the shanti virus made him forget how to use his original power, how things work and so he "lost" all his powers but the two that were deepseated in him.

For those who think otherwise because in the future, he could paint and nuke, almost everyone has powers, a smorgasbord for Sylar, he probably had everypower then, the same with future peter.

The shanti virus most definately did [i]not[/i[ make him forget how to use his original power. He was using it throughout season 2. When you hear the clocks ticking, and then sylar figures out how something/someone works, that'd be him using his power to know how things work.

[Superboy2]

So that means that Peter isn't able to absorb all those other powers? I guess a possibility to make Peter and Sylar not as powerful is to use/bring back the Shanti virus.

[edwinisdenim]

Thats not possible.

From the moment you leave the current timeline to the future you are going in a straight line. When you come back it has a chance to veer off course but until you come back it is a straight line.

the shift is that the time line is supposed to be without YOU while you are in the future but Heroes suspends disbelief on that aspect and doesnt use that as part of their cannon.

please explain the part where Hiro was dead in season 1 in the future when he got shot by Parkman and in season 3 he was 'shot' by Ando with his power. Why was there 2 Hiros if they are the same time line. That shows different ending for each timeline. The last one Nathan didnt survive with Sylar took his place while current timeline Sylar is a good man. Hence, back to the topic, whether Sylar lost his power or not has nothing to do with the future Sylar having the rest powers because each Sylar has different fate.

[Superboy2]

I just don't get how Future Peter has a scar if he can heal, unless there is a hero with the power to scar someone even if they can heal, which would be dumb. With Peter and Sylar not having their powers, I guess FYG theory went out the window, cause I've waited awhile for a big fight between them.

[The Ninth Doctor]

please explain the part where Hiro was dead in season 1 in the future when he got shot by Parkman and in season 3 he was 'shot' by Ando with his power. Why was there 2 Hiros if they are the same time line. That shows different ending for each timeline. The last one Nathan didnt survive with Sylar took his place while current timeline Sylar is a good man. Hence, back to the topic, whether Sylar lost his power or not has nothing to do with the future Sylar having the rest powers because each Sylar has different fate.

Each future they go to is on the timeline at the point where they jump, but when they jump back, they change it, either eliminating the future timeline or merely closing it off from travel.

If all Hiro/Peter did was jump to random universes, it would make no sense. There'd be no reason for them to try and change anything, because it isn't there universe, and whatever they do won't change that other timeline, and whatever happened in that timeline has nothing to do with their original timeline, thus shedding no light on how to prevent similar futures in their own timeline.

[christian_kryptonian]

So the whole scar thing makes sense now that Peter's powers are gone. I knew they would make it work with the future one having a scar.

[edwinisdenim]

Each future they go to is on the timeline at the point where they jump, but when they jump back, they change it, either eliminating the future timeline or merely closing it off from travel.

If all Hiro/Peter did was jump to random universes, it would make no sense. There'd be no reason for them to try and change anything, because it isn't there universe, and whatever they do won't change that other timeline, and whatever happened in that timeline has nothing to do with their original timeline, thus shedding no light on how to prevent similar futures in their own timeline.

okay. so back to the original topic. Did Sylar lost his power through the Shanti virus from the other timeline? Did the other Sylar even suffered the same fate as the present Sylar? Meaning the season 3 future Sylar, did he go through the shanti virus moment as the present Sylar did in season 2 according to your theory?

[The Ninth Doctor]

okay. so back to the original topic. Did Sylar lost his power through the Shanti virus from the other timeline? Did the other Sylar even suffered the same fate as the present Sylar? Meaning the season 3 future Sylar, did he go through the shanti virus moment as the present Sylar did in season 2 according to your theory?

OK, first let me say that this isn't a theory, it's the way the show's depicted time travel every time throughout these three seasons, and the numerous times the writers have been asked to clarify time travel, they've agreed. In addition to the show itself the CBR interviews and the nbc.com commentaries feature a massive amount of information about the way the show works.


Everything that happened up to the jump to the future happened to Future 2 Sylar. He discovered his power, killed Brian Davis, killed Chandra, went on the hunt for more abilities, was at Kirby Plaza, helped make Peter go splodey, was stabbed by Hiro, woke up in South America with the virus, went on crazy adventures with the wonder twins, got the virus cured, was captured again and attempted to reform.