Could Lois BE anymore Annoying?

[Clana4Life]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.

[Meteror Freak]

I can see how they can fall in love because Lois and Clark are always teasing each other and underneath Lois's sarcasm and Clark's seriousness, there's playfullness and admiration. I think it's sweet how they started off as just friends and not lovers.

[Liquid-Prince]

I can clearly see the love.

[Minela]

Yes she does. :D

[Twitch]

I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.

No way. She wouldn't be Lois anymore if they toned her down. I love her just the way she is. :D

[curiosity]

Lois is great. I totally love Lois and Clark, and they're doing a great job with them.

[DontCha]

[Mod Edit]

[pleasenoclois]

I agree completely. Lois and Oliver had chemistry, acted well together, there was good development and it was believable. Lois and Clark on Smallville just doesn't work. I couldn't even begin to list all the annoying things that EDLois has done that irk me... But someone has to start...:) I pretty much watched this whole episode thinking 'Who the h*** do you think you are?' one of the things that annoys me is that Lois took Clark's coffee... just assumed that he bought it for her. It annoys me that she was hassling Clark about when he would be at work. He is not her personal assistant yet she acts like she is his boss. I could go on, but it is making me mad just typing this.

[theotherJane]

Well then you guys just don't get it.

[WickedJenn]

Lois is great. I totally love Lois and Clark, and they're doing a great job with them.

It's classic, iconic Lois Lane in regards to Clark. :)

[individuall]

everything you just said about Lois is who iconic Lois lne is supposed to be, smallville are doing nothing wrong when portraying her this season...she's bang on.

she has always treated clark as a her second
She's always been a know it all

I couldn't agree more! I love lois and Clois :D

Their Chemistry, especially tonight, is/was just SO incredibly perfect! :)

[Aloof]

Mhm, gotta love the chemistry going on! Lois can barely contain her feelings anymore.

[curiosity]

Clark loves every minute of it. It's called a strong woman, with a personality. He loves the way Lois bosses him around.

[Clana4Life]

This Lois is different than previous Lois from Superman the Move, Lois and Clark and even the knew Superman movie with Routh. This one is just a bit over-the-top annoying sometimes. Not always, but sometimes - like in this episode, I think. I just think they are going to have to balance her annoying behavior with more softer sides of her. We get 30 minutes of annoying-Lois and then 2 minutes of soft-Lois. To me the softer-Lois, the Lois underneath the thorns, is the one Clark would really connect with.

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Clark loves every minute of it. It's called a strong woman, with a personality. He loves the way Lois bosses him around.

What proof do you have of this?

[MrZeppo]

I think you're missing what is happening.

The reason Lois is all in Clark's business and tags along on his stories and whatnot isn't to be annoying. She likes him! She likes him, and I think subconciously she realizes this, and tags along just to be near him. In tonight's episode she made some lame excuse about tagging along to help him out, but you could see she enjoys having him around.

Taking the coffee isn't to be a bully or rude, it's to irk him, tease him, and almost playfully flirt. Sometimes I do think she does it just because she just assumes it's for her and that's the fun part about their relationship, because Lois can be very abrupt and rude at times, but that's what makes the legend of Lois Lane endearing.

[Liquid-Prince]

This Lois is different than previous Lois from Superman the Move, Lois and Clark and even the knew Superman movie with Routh. This one is just a bit over-the-top annoying sometimes. Not always, but sometimes - like in this episode, I think. I just think they are going to have to balance her annoying behavior with more softer sides of her. We get 30 minutes of annoying-Lois and then 2 minutes of soft-Lois. To me the softer-Lois, the Lois underneath the thorns, is the one Clark would really connect with.


Not true. All that jealousy was played perfectly. If she had played a silent jealous type, it wouldn't have worked as well as the screaming one.

[WickedJenn]

Lois giving Clark a hard time is rampant throughout the comics. But yes, it is nice when you see her softer side too. It is all of these things combined that make Clark Kent fall in love with her.

[DontCha]

im talking about the true lois from the comic books, thats who Lois is meant to be. She is DC's character and so whatever they make her that is who she is meant to be and that is who Smallvilles Lois is.

Isnt it rather obvious to you that lois is being overtly loud because she cant quite handle herself around clark right now with her new feelings?..she obviously has a huge crush on him and is acting very loud and bossy to cover it up, and when she gets jealous it bursts out because she's been bottling it up and yes i think her bad tendancies are coming across more intense than usual because of this..

she obviously wants to have sex with clark as was made rather obvious at the start of the episode at the DP..which hints:..yes..very sexually frustrated. lol which doesnt help either when it comes to her emotions about clark.

[kiariclois]

Oh dear... So far, Lois has been portrayed like how she would be in the comics. She's supposed to be annoying and stuff, she will not treat Clark like the other girls did. I think TPTB (old and new) really pulled it off with Lois Lane since the beginning.


I pretty much watched this whole episode thinking 'Who the h*** do you think you are?' one of the things that annoys me is that Lois took Clark's coffee... just assumed that he bought it for her. It annoys me that she was hassling Clark about when he would be at work. He is not her personal assistant yet she acts like she is his boss.

Smallville isn't the first incarnation of Superman shows these kinda behavior in Lois Lane's behalf. It's quite normal to see Lois acting like that.

But the topic at hand, Hell yeah! Lois IS annoying and... perfect. :biggrin: I wouldn't want her to change one bit and started to "worship" Clark :;


ETA: I don't think Clark minded much on her acting like his "boss". I think he used to have Lois treating her like that. LOL

[Clana4Life]

Not worship him, but geez I'm surprised Clark doesn't have to take two aspirin after work. Yes, I know that she likes him, but I don't think that she's being overly annoying to cover that up. I think she's just like that - bossy/annoying. I'm really talking about the beginning - not the part where she saw him with Maxima. I'm a woman, so a guy approaching me in this manner wouldn't work for me, but I can't speak for guys. Outside of Smallville, would this type of behavior appeal to you? I'm talking to the guys. Do guys like girls like this? Or do girls like this send you running for Tylenol. :)

[DontCha]

she's being alot louder than usual..

heck its what i do when i have a massive crush on someoone...I act louder than usual around them.

[ColdPlay3r]

Not worship him, but geez I'm surprised Clark doesn't have to take two aspirin after work. Yes, I know that she likes him, but I don't think that she's being overly annoying to cover that up. I think she's just like that - bossy/annoying. I'm really talking about the beginning - not the part where she saw him with Maxima. I'm a woman, so a guy approaching me in this manner wouldn't work for me, but I can't speak for guys. Outside of Smallville, would this type of behavior appeal to you? I'm talking to the guys. Do guys like girls like this? Or do girls like this send you running for Tylenol. :)

best relationships start dat way ;)

[kiariclois]

LOL. I think it's great to have her extremely annoying or bossy or that sort of thing. Ya know, in fiction stories, the women do tend to be that way and in the end only one guy could stand her. :rotfl:

Some guy do like girls like Lois. Some do, some don't. Depends on the person. :lol: Ya know, some people hate pushy girls too, but Clark fall in love with her since season 1, wasn't he? :lol: But I'm not gonna go in depth of the past.

SV Lois Lane is brilliantly written. ;)

[Clana4Life]

I guess being totally shy around the guy is one extreme and being overly bossy and annoying beyond repair is the other extreme. It's just that they are showing the extreme with the Lois character. I just don't know that this would realistically work with SV's Clark. He's a soft, sweet kind of guy. I know the writers will make this work - Clark will somehow find her endearing. Again, she was not like this with Oliver and she liked him very much as well. I hope that as she comes to accept her feelings for Clark her annoyance will lessen just a bit. I'm not asking for a complete change - I'm just asking that they not make her the "extreme."

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LOL. I think it's great to have her extremely annoying or bossy or that sort of thing. Ya know, in fiction stories, the women do tend to be that way and in the end only one guy could stand her. :rotfl:

Some guy do like girls like Lois. Some do, some don't. Depends on the person. :lol: Ya know, some people hate pushy girls too, but Clark fall in love with her since season 1, wasn't he? :lol: But I'm not gonna go in depth of the past.

SV Lois Lane is brilliantly written. ;)

Season 1? She wasn't around then.

[kiariclois]

I was talking about Lana. :p

ETA: It's obvious that you loves her. and I don't. Just to point that out. Similar to that, some people love Lois, some don't.

[pleasenoclois]

"Clark loves every minute of it. It's called a strong woman, with a personality. He loves the way Lois bosses him around. "

Being a strong woman doesn't require being annoying and witchy or bossing people around like you control the world.

[Clana4Life]

I was talking about Lana. :p

ETA: It's obvious that you loves her. and I don't. Just to point that out. Similar to that, some people love Lois, some don't.

Oh, you think Lana was pushy. No, I think she is a lot like Clark - particularly Lana in Seasons 1 - 5. I could see him liking Lana. I can see him liking Lois - she just needs to mellow out a little and calm down.

[WickedJenn]

"Clark loves every minute of it. It's called a strong woman, with a personality. He loves the way Lois bosses him around. "

Being a strong woman doesn't require being annoying and witchy or bossing people around like you control the world.

But it IS classic Lois Lane.

[Clana4Life]

"Clark loves every minute of it. It's called a strong woman, with a personality. He loves the way Lois bosses him around. "

Being a strong woman doesn't require being annoying and witchy or bossing people around like you control the world.

Yeah, and I'm wondering how people know that he "loves" every minute of it. So far all we have are his expressions and reactions and he never smiles. He mostly shrugs, sighs or rolls his eyes when she talks. I don't know that he "loves it," he just takes it to keep the peace and cause he's a good friend.

[RedKRules]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.

Thanks, I pretty much agree with everything you´ve stated! :cool:

[Meteror Freak]

I love Lois and I love ED, but I don't think Lois is supposed to be annoying, even though she is, every now and again.:lol:

[WickedJenn]

I'm posting this again, excellent article on Lois:

http://redboots.net/planet/?p=13

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Classic Lois Lane. LOVED HER in tonights episode and that combination of bossy/rude/teasing then with beats of vulnerable and emotional makes me love her even more. Considering what Lois Lane has ahead of her in the future with Clark and Superman it was always gonna take a strong willed woman imo. I think she's being written GREAT and I love her interaction with Clark.

Takes all sorts to make up a world after all... ;)

[kiariclois]

Yep... Lana was pushy. No more comment on that. :lol:

I think I'm just used to watching "annoying" Lois Lane for ages (since I was a kid, for that matter) that I don't find her being that way in SV really a huge deal. :lol:

[Alexander III]

best relationships start dat way ;)

At first, I thought the girl in your avatar was Erica but Im like no way she would..., anyway's who's that big...girl in your avatar?

[Noxrider]

This Lois Lane is dead on. Adding in the Oliver relationship (which I don't think has ever been in the continuity--I could be wrong), where Lois played the passive role in the relationship, really WORKS. Lois's knee-jerk reaction to detachment is to buck up and put on a shell of insensitivity to others.

Oliver gave her a reason to do it again...she tried to be the "soft" part of the relationship, and her millionaire playboy took off. When she gets a chance to be with him again (see "Toxic,") she KNOWS she can't share, and that she doesn't have the right to want that, when Oliver is needed elsewhere.

So, taking the driver's seat in the relationship with Clark, as it builds, is a PERFECT reaction. Lois is driven by extremes...if she can't win a man by cowering down to him, maybe she can win one by being a Billy Jean Badass, or at least deny that she wants Clark at all. For now, at least.

As for Clark falling for her, he's always been surrounded by strong, passionate females...his mother Lara, his mother Martha, Lana (more or less), Chloe, and now Lois. Sooner or later, whether it's bound to be Lois or not, he won't fall for a wimpy woman. However, he'll always long for those moments when he can come to the rescue. And ALL the women in his life have provided those opportunities at one point or another.

SV Lois is on target -- maybe annoying, but she's always been that way.

[WickedJenn]

This Lois Lane is dead on. Adding in the Oliver relationship (which I don't think has ever been in the continuity--I could be wrong), where Lois played the passive role in the relationship, really WORKS. Lois's knee-jerk reaction to detachment is to buck up and put on a shell of insensitivity to others.

Oliver gave her a reason to do it again...she tried to be the "soft" part of the relationship, and her millionaire playboy took off. When she gets a chance to be with him again (see "Toxic,") she KNOWS she can't share, and that she doesn't have the right to want that, when Oliver is needed elsewhere.

So, taking the driver's seat in the relationship with Clark, as it builds, is a PERFECT reaction. Lois is driven by extremes...if she can't win a man by cowering down to him, maybe she can win one by being a Billy Jean Badass, or at least deny that she wants Clark at all. For now, at least.

As for Clark falling for her, he's always been surrounded by strong, passionate females...his mother Lara, his mother Martha, Lana (more or less), Chloe, and now Lois. Sooner or later, whether it's bound to be Lois or not, he won't fall for a wimpy woman. However, he'll always long for those moments when he can come to the rescue. And ALL the women in his life have provided those opportunities at one point or another.

SV Lois is on target -- maybe annoying, but she's always been that way.

Excellent analysis and welcome to the forum :)

[Clana4Life]

I think it's hard to watch this SV Lois Lane. In every movie and tv show you see Lois Lane with Clark and Lois Lane with Superman. So basically you get both persona's - the pushy/bossy/know it all with Clark and the vulnerable/a lot-less annoying one with Superman. When she has a conversation with Superman, she has one on equal footing - she's not bossy. So for me it's always been a balance. I can take bossy Lois because generally I get a good dose of non-bossy Lois, too. With SV there is no Superman so for the most part I only see Lois' interaction with Clark - no balance, just bossy annoyance at least in this epi. It's just an adjustment for me since I've come from the movies/tv shows.

[pizzahead2490]

lois is PERFECT i wouldnt change her 4 the world.
and if any one read the comics lois is always acting this way and if she didnt she wouldnt be lois lane.

[individuall]

^Great post and welcome to ksite Noxrider :D

[kiariclois]

I'm posting this again, excellent article on Lois:

http://redboots.net/planet/?p=13

Aha... I love the article. :D

Here's the part I really love and right for this topic:


Yet despite Lois’s low opinion of Clark, not to mention the name-calling, he was still attracted to her.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Despite being REALLY annoying, he still loves her. ;)

[Twitch]

This Lois Lane is dead on. Adding in the Oliver relationship (which I don't think has ever been in the continuity--I could be wrong), where Lois played the passive role in the relationship, really WORKS. Lois's knee-jerk reaction to detachment is to buck up and put on a shell of insensitivity to others.

Oliver gave her a reason to do it again...she tried to be the "soft" part of the relationship, and her millionaire playboy took off. When she gets a chance to be with him again (see "Toxic,") she KNOWS she can't share, and that she doesn't have the right to want that, when Oliver is needed elsewhere.

So, taking the driver's seat in the relationship with Clark, as it builds, is a PERFECT reaction. Lois is driven by extremes...if she can't win a man by cowering down to him, maybe she can win one by being a Billy Jean Badass, or at least deny that she wants Clark at all. For now, at least.

As for Clark falling for her, he's always been surrounded by strong, passionate females...his mother Lara, his mother Martha, Lana (more or less), Chloe, and now Lois. Sooner or later, whether it's bound to be Lois or not, he won't fall for a wimpy woman. However, he'll always long for those moments when he can come to the rescue. And ALL the women in his life have provided those opportunities at one point or another.

SV Lois is on target -- maybe annoying, but she's always been that way.

Excellent post! Welcome to the forums. :)



^Great post and welcome to ksite Noxrider :D

Kaitlyn post 2000! Congrats, Board Master. ;)

[individuall]

^Thanks Scott i didn't even notice! :D

[amberdawn]

Despite being REALLY annoying, he still loves her. ;)

It's because he knows who the real Lois is. What she's like deep down.

[thehenry89]

Only one person on smallville has consitantly annoyed me...and lois is not that person.

[MrZeppo]

Well as a guy I have to say it really does depend. There are extremes to everything. You can be bossy or annoying in a playful way or in a way that is mean spirited. Obviously a big no on the mean spirited people.

I really do love a confident woman. It's really very appealing to me. Because someone able to handle themselves shows not just street smarts, but an ability to really handle themselves. And Lois, to be honest, really likes to bust people's chops. It may come off as arrogant or annoying, but I actually get that because I'm the same way. At the same time we've seen Lois be really tender and caring, the moment where she held Clark as he cried after Lana left is one of my favorite moments between Lois and Clark.

What I have to say is annoying is neediness. Not to start a Clois vs Clana debate, because really I'm not, but that's why Lana always bothered me. She always seemed to be constantly looking to the guy she was with or liked to define who she was. That's why I like the idea of her going out into the world to figure out who she really is.

[kiariclois]

Well as a guy I have to say it really does depend. There are extremes to everything. You can be bossy or annoying in a playful way or in a way that is mean spirited. Obviously a big no on the mean spirited people.

I really do love a confident woman. It's really very appealing to me. Because someone able to handle themselves shows not just street smarts, but an ability to really handle themselves. And Lois, to be honest, really likes to bust people's chops. It may come off as arrogant or annoying, but I actually get that because I'm the same way. At the same time we've seen Lois be really tender and caring, the moment where she held Clark as he cried after Lana left is one of my favorite moments between Lois and Clark.

That is true. She did show off some of her tender side sometimes. I reckon, this is why Clark wasn't really bother when she's being extreme and stuff, because he knows her other sides too. Very well observed, Jai.

[susangail]

SV Lois used to annoy me, too, but she's grown on me. She's not a bad rendition of the Golden Age Lois, updated through a 21st century filter.

[Clana4Life]

If we are talking strong, independent woman, then Tess fits the bill and she doesn't bring the annoyance factor. She's straight to the point, no holds back. She is like Lois without the mega-dose of caffeine annoyance. I really liked Lois in episode one of Season 8. She was annoying, but not overboard. I'm hoping she will be like that throughout and that this epi was just a fluke. There is too much banter/snark/bossy covos and too little other types of conversations between Clois. Actually you can't even call it a conversation - Clark just listens and sighs and Lois rambles and dictates. We got a bit of real conversation at the end of this episode - but if they are going to build a Clois relationship, they can't concentrate primarily on the banter - they've got to give us some substance - some talks, some real interaction. I'm hoping they do that and take Lois out of the banter/bossy box.

[eas]

Well, to be honest, Lois Lane/Clark Kent are the epitome of banter/bossy. That's pretty much their whole relationship in ALL versions of Superman. Whether it be the movies, the comics, or the TV shows (both animated and real) we hardly ever see a Lois Lane who is anything but annoying and bossy. And we hardly ever see Clark react except to sigh and look kind of amused. The whole foundation of their relationship is premised on them giving each other tit for tat. Kind of like Benedict and Beatrice in "Much Ado About Nothing".

I'm happy that the banter is back, because I felt that they got a little too intense and drama filled last season. This is much more true to the nature of their relationship and the effect they have on each other. And it'll continue well into their marriage as well -- ComicsClois are still very sarcastic to each other and they still love each other like crazy.

[kiariclois]

As much as I love Tess, that girl has no sense of humor. :rotfl:


Clark just listens and sighs and Lois rambles and dictates.

I think you'll see lots of that on LnC


- but if they are going to build a Clois relationship, they can't concentrate primarily on the banter - they've got to give us some substance - some talks, some real interaction.

Actually, we've seen this since season 4. There are times that she could be bossy and stuff, but there are also times that she listens to his heartache and she did came up with some good advice.

Their banter is also the strong method of their interaction. I think I speak for so many fans when I say that I want more of that. Sometime, when they banter, do do tend to see the fact that they know each other quite well and I think they're really comfortable with each other.

[eas]

If we are talking strong, independent woman, then Tess fits the bill and she doesn't bring the annoyance factor. She's straight to the point, no holds back.

Um... she's also evil and has no problem killing people. If Lois's standard is HER then I'm glad that she's not meeting that standard.

The two are nothing alike and they shouldn't be compared as such. That's like complaining that Clark isn't more like Lex. Clark isn't supposed to be like Lex... it would suck if he was.

[individuall]

Their banter is also the strong method of their interaction. I think I speak for so many fans when I say that I want more of that. Sometime, when they banter, do do tend to see the fact that they know each other quite well and I think they're really comfortable with each other.

ITA. There can NEVER and I mean NEVER be enough Clois banter...:D

[liana]

If we are talking strong, independent woman, then Tess fits the bill and she doesn't bring the annoyance factor. She's straight to the point, no holds back. She is like Lois without the mega-dose of caffeine annoyance. I really liked Lois in episode one of Season 8. She was annoying, but not overboard. I'm hoping she will be like that throughout and that this epi was just a fluke. There is too much banter/snark/bossy covos and too little other types of conversations between Clois. Actually you can't even call it a conversation - Clark just listens and sighs and Lois rambles and dictates. We got a bit of real conversation at the end of this episode - but if they are going to build a Clois relationship, they can't concentrate primarily on the banter - they've got to give us some substance - some talks, some real interaction. I'm hoping they do that and take Lois out of the banter/bossy box.

I think there will always be both. There will be moments where Lois will be annoying, as you say, because that is just the way she defends herself. Lois doesn't like to be vulnerable. A good example was when she first met Oliver and AC. She reacted the same way she reacted to Clark, however these two men saw beyond that, and they both tried to pursue her. When they did, she melted, because she liked them.

There will be moments when she will show her vulnerable side to Clark, as she already did other times, but she won't let him in, especially now that she is realizing, thanks to Maxima, that she might feel more for him than she ever expected. She believes, even though Maxima told her the opposite, that Clark doesn't feel the same way. And that will make her up her walls. So, you can expect some dose of dismissing Lois in the episodes to come, because that will be Lois covering her attraction.

And even though I agree that this might not be the best way to make a man interested in you, the truth is that Lois doesn't want to have Clark interested in her. She wants to STOP feeling the way she does.

[curiosity]

If we are talking strong, independent woman, then Tess fits the bill and she doesn't bring the annoyance factor. She's straight to the point, no holds back. She is like Lois without the mega-dose of caffeine annoyance. I really liked Lois in episode one of Season 8. She was annoying, but not overboard. I'm hoping she will be like that throughout and that this epi was just a fluke. There is too much banter/snark/bossy covos and too little other types of conversations between Clois. Actually you can't even call it a conversation - Clark just listens and sighs and Lois rambles and dictates. We got a bit of real conversation at the end of this episode - but if they are going to build a Clois relationship, they can't concentrate primarily on the banter - they've got to give us some substance - some talks, some real interaction. I'm hoping they do that and take Lois out of the banter/bossy box.

Lois isn't annoying, at all. I don't find her annoying in the least bit, for any reason. I think her behavior is funny, lively and entertaining and never annoying.

[eas]

ITA. There can NEVER and I mean NEVER be enough Clois banter...:D

I agree. The banter is part of makes Clois so damn awesome.

[krpto]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.


I take it you didn't like clois or lois even in Lois and Clark since lois was always teasing clark like smallville lois does in that before she knew he was superman.

[Noxrider]

Thanks, all, for the welcome. Long time SV fan, discovered KS by watching the S7 special features. Until recently, always caught the show on DVD...but now I'm getting to keep up with it live, so I thought I'd stick my nose in here a bit.

[curiosity]

I have to agree with everyone who said the Clois banter is the best part, and there can never be enough. :)

[Clana4Life]

I take it you didn't like clois or lois even in Lois and Clark since lois was always teasing clark like smallville lois does in that before she knew he was superman.

In my other post, I said that I did like Clois. I actually prefaced the first post with that. I explained that in the other shows/movies, you get to see both sides of Lois. She interacts differently with Clark than she does with Superman, so it's not just constant bossy/annoying Lois - it's more of a balance, which is what I'm hoping SV will do. Banter is fine, but I don't want the majority of their interaction to be banter - I'd like some real conversations between them, too - conversations in which Clark gets to speak and not just sigh, roll his eyes and listen. It's cute for a few minutes, but not so much after that. Then again, this is just my opinion.

[kiariclois]

Lois isn't annoying, at all. I don't find her annoying in the least bit, for any reason. I think her behavior is funny, lively and entertaining and never annoying.

To most of us, it's not. To some, it is annoying. But from my dictionary, Annoying is good :p

Ya know, I tend to like Clois banter more than Clois being romantic and stuff. :rotfl:

[curiosity]

In my other post, I said that I did like Clois. I actually prefaced the first post with that. I explained that in the other shows/movies, you get to see both sides of Lois. She interacts differently with Clark than she does with Superman, so it's not just constant bossy/annoying Lois - it's more of a balance, which is what I'm hoping SV will do. Banter is fine, but I don't want the majority of their interaction to be banter - I'd like some real conversations between them, too - conversations in which Clark gets to speak and not just sigh, roll his eyes and listen. It's cute for a few minutes, but not so much after that. Then again, this is just my opinion.

I think your username might be a hint as to why you don't like Lois. If you want Clana4life, no offence, but you aren't going to like Lois on SV, no matter how great Clois is. :o

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To most of us, it's not. To some, it is annoying. But from my dictionary, Annoying is good :p

Ya know, I tend to like Clois banter more than Clois being romantic and stuff. :rotfl:

Me too. I'd rather have action.

[geminis]

Big Bang Theory fans anyone? Sheldon is obviously a big DC/Flash fan cuz he's always wearing Flash shirts.

And for those who are fans you'll get this reference: Lois is a big ole 5!
Meaning she likes to initiate certain types of activities... And Clark won't mind, you saw how fast he left Maxima for Lois with all those endorphins (ah lovely word) rushing through his system.

And also, Lois is all walls. Annoying, bantering, rudeness, it's all a defense mechanism. But Clark with his super strength and x-ray vision can see right through those walls and break them down.

[Balthaazar32]

I love the way Lois is, she's a tough witty intelligent woman and she has trouble showing her softer side, but it's there. She cares about Clark alot more than she lets on, she loves him already, just not in the way theyre destined for. She's a little frightened that people think she has deeper feelings for Clark. She doesn't like not being in control. I think she's great :)

[pizzahead2490]

lois is annoying and you know what, i love her anyways.

[Clana4Life]

I think your username might be a hint as to why you don't like Lois. If you want Clana4life, no offence, but you aren't going to like Lois on SV, no matter how great Clois is. :o

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Me too. I'd rather have action.

No, my username is not a hint. You don't need any hints. I've blatantly stated the issues I have with SV Lois. And no offense taken Curiosity, but I've said that I find her a bit overly-annoying at times. She's generally moderately annoying, but tonight I just thought the annoyance was a bit more extreme. I'm fine with Clois. I prefaced this post stating that because at some point I thought some might think I was a Clois-hater because I was a former Clana fan. I am a Clois fan and I was a long time Clois fan (the Superman movies and Lois & Clark New Adventure...etc.). But while Lana was in the picture, I was a Clana fan. She's gone now and that chapter is closed. No need to discuss that any further. I like Lois, I just think instead of three expressos, she should maybe have one. My favorite part of Clois was the last scene where she and Clark had a real conversation. Some people like the banter more (which I find more annoying than not) and some like me like the real heart-to-heart conversations, longing looks and smiles (which some may find cheesy).

[Iluvgreen]

oh please. lets just say that my sister was exactly like lois and clark are not cute. she was cuter with oliver, and all this stuff. you know. and then after this ep, she thought maybe its starting to get cute. shes been toned down, when she first came to the show.

[SnowBird]

I haven't gone through all the posts but here is my take on SV Lois. I think Lois isn't very tactful but that's the way Lois is. I bought Lois and Clark DVD series and that Lois was the very same way when Clark was first hired at the Planet. She bossed Clark around terrible but as they worked together more, she eased up and she got nicer towards Clark. I think the same thing is going to happen with SV Lois. As L&C work together more and Clark gets more experience she won't be so bossy. She is still going to be spunky but more kind towards Clark. IMO.

[Clana4Life]

I haven't gone through all the posts but here is my take on SV Lois. I think Lois isn't very tactful but that's the way Lois is. I bought Lois and Clark DVD series and that Lois was the very same way when Clark was first hired at the Planet. She bossed Clark around terrible but as they worked together more, she eased up and she got nicer towards Clark. I think the same thing is going to happen with SV Lois. As L&C work together more and Clark gets more experience she won't be so bossy. She is still going to be spunky but more kind towards Clark. IMO.

I hope so.

[LoisL]

Honestly? The only times Lois annoys me is when she's NOT being annoying!

It is part of her iconic nature to be a knowitall, etc. etc. :D You either love her or hate her. Clark will get to experience both emotions :p

As a kid I used to feel sorry for poor Superman, with a love interest that was such a brat. But since adulthood, I actually think it's one of the most beautifully right things about the Superman mythos. :) Humor is a good thing in a love story, IMO, and thier clashing differences in personalities do not go deeper than skin deep.

[morrigan01]

Yes she could be more "annoying" because she's Lois Lane. She brash, bossy, stubborn, bold, opinionated. She's been these things for for 70+ years. And some, like me, absolutely love her because of these qualities.

She's never going to be meek, mild and quiet. And frankly, one of the reason Clark is attracted to her IMO is because she's not. :)

[Ilovebeinglost]

Tone her down to what, Lana who can't get her words out unless she's screaming?

Lois is fine the way she is

[puppiesnkittens]

Lois is truly one of the highlights for me. She is totally unlike any other female on the show.

[Atomic girl]

The problem I have with this Lois is that she's not abrasive enough with others, and too abrasive with Clark. TPTB are trying so hard to foreshadow the Clois, that they've altered her a bit. I think they are making her attraction to Clark a bit too obvious. Yes, she's abrasive, but she is more balanced in other versions of the story at this time in her relationship with Clark. I really want to see it a bit more subtle than what is being portrayed here. Then when you see those subtle telltale signs it's so much more rewarding.

[Dom20]

This attitude dates back to the earlier comics. The firecracker Lois, anyway I don't find it annoying at all. Shes always hard on Clark, to disguise the growing attraction to him. Its a defense mechanism for her.

And to the OP if you want a toned down Lois go watch "Superman Returns".

Margot Kidder, Teri Hatcher, Dana Dalaney, and now Erica Durance have all played Lois the same exact way.

[Timester]

This Lois is different than previous Lois from Superman the Move, Lois and Clark and even the knew Superman movie with Routh. This one is just a bit over-the-top annoying sometimes. Not always, but sometimes - like in this episode, I think. I just think they are going to have to balance her annoying behavior with more softer sides of her. We get 30 minutes of annoying-Lois and then 2 minutes of soft-Lois. To me the softer-Lois, the Lois underneath the thorns, is the one Clark would really connect with.

Because the Movie Lois is not even close to the Comics Lois. She just ignored Clark on the movies.

[27CDruid]

It gives me a grin everytime she acts brash. Its a heck of a lot better than Lanna "tell me all your secrets" Lang or Chloe "unrequited love" Sullivan. I find Clois really funny.

Erica Durance > Any other Lois Lane's > Lana storyline rehash

[Timester]

In my other post, I said that I did like Clois. I actually prefaced the first post with that. I explained that in the other shows/movies, you get to see both sides of Lois. She interacts differently with Clark than she does with Superman, so it's not just constant bossy/annoying Lois - it's more of a balance, which is what I'm hoping SV will do. Banter is fine, but I don't want the majority of their interaction to be banter - I'd like some real conversations between them, too - conversations in which Clark gets to speak and not just sigh, roll his eyes and listen. It's cute for a few minutes, but not so much after that. Then again, this is just my opinion.

But, just like you said, there is no Superman.

Then why would she be different to Clark? There is no connection there.

[TheLeague]

[MOD EDIT]

[skylar]

Entertaining is what you call it. I wouldn't want Lois any other way. Lois makes the show watchable for me.

[Estro-gen X]

Lois and Shelby stole this episode. I love when characters tell Clark the harsh truth.

[Kal-ed]

Oh, you think Lana was pushy. No, I think she is a lot like Clark - particularly Lana in Seasons 1 - 5. I could see him liking Lana. I can see him liking Lois - she just needs to mellow out a little and calm down.

I agree, I love Lois, Smallville Lois more so than most of her other versions but I do think they should tone her down a little, I expect Lois being b!tchy and bossy but it sometimes borderes rude IMO. I think TPTB need to start showing more of Lois's softer side.

And I really really hated Lois's response when Maxima told Lois Clark was atracted to her "like a red sox fan to the yankees" why a simple "no he' s not" didnt work for the writers is beyond me.

[TheLeague]

Entertaining is what you call it. I wouldn't want Lois any other way. Lois makes the show watchable for me.

doesnt she just :D

im loving how clois is working on this show it feels so close to how it would be in the real mythos how people can claim to love smallville and not enjoy the clois moments that are totally making S8 worth watching! is crazy!

i think we will see lois a little softer in episode 5 to be honest judging from the trailer

[mark08201981]

To the people whining about how Lois is being portrayed, have you ever read a Superman comic from before they started dating? Lois is bossy, pushy and a royal *****. That went away as she admitted how she felt about Clark. But how Lois is acting now IS how Lois is. She's doing things to irk Clark because she likes him.

[eas]

I agree, I love Lois, Smallville Lois more so than most of her other versions but I do think they should tone her down a little, I expect Lois being b!tchy and bossy but it sometimes borderes rude IMO. I think TPTB need to start showing more of Lois's softer side.

And I really really hated Lois's response when Maxima told Lois Clark was atracted to her "like a red sox fan to the yankees" why a simple "no he' s not" didnt work for the writers is beyond me.

You think she's ruder than other versions of Lois? I feel like EVERY version of Lois Lane is a massive b***h to Clark until they start dating and get married. Before they openly acknowledge their feelings for each other and enter into a relationship, ALL Lois Lanes treat Clark Kent like crap, with a just a little bit of niceness thrown into the mix here and there.

The worst was SRLois... I would much rather have SVLois - who clearly LIKES Clark and considers him a friend - than SRLois who treated SRClark like he wasn't even worthy of her notice and just a little pest.

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In my other post, I said that I did like Clois. I actually prefaced the first post with that. I explained that in the other shows/movies, you get to see both sides of Lois. She interacts differently with Clark than she does with Superman, so it's not just constant bossy/annoying Lois - it's more of a balance, which is what I'm hoping SV will do. Banter is fine, but I don't want the majority of their interaction to be banter - I'd like some real conversations between them, too - conversations in which Clark gets to speak and not just sigh, roll his eyes and listen. It's cute for a few minutes, but not so much after that. Then again, this is just my opinion.

Like the conversation they had at the end of this episode? Like the conversation they had at the end of "Plastique"? Like the conversation they had at the end of "Odyssey"? Like the conversation they had at the end "Toxic"?

Um... what more do you want from them? They had a heartfelt conversation in ALL four episodes this season (building from last season when they talked in "Siren", etc.). And Clark does much more than just sigh and roll his eyes. He gives Lois as good as he gets. This has always characterized their relationship. In fact, Lois is the ONE girl with whom he is actually honest and drops his guard... he gets snippy with her in a way he never does with anyone else. She yells at him in this episode and what does he do? He yells back. He says, "Calm down!!!" When do we ever see Clark act like that with any woman? He's always afraid of hurting their feelings and he holds himself in... not with Lois.

And why? BECAUSE of the banter, quips, and sarcastic comments. He believes that Lois can handle and he's right - she can.

[FlashInSV]

No way. She wouldn't be Lois anymore if they toned her down. I love her just the way she is. :D

Could I agree more? :lol:

[geminis]

The only person who truly annoyed me as far as Lois goes is Kate Bosworth. Because she wasn't annoying enough! She was a pale imitation of Lois Lane. Clark knows that the annoying attitude is all a front, but obviously some people just don't get it. Everybody else who has been interested in him fawns all over him and Lois is the only one who doesn't. She doesn't think she needs him, but in all actuality, she does. Just like he needs her.

Lois = annoying. Get over it. There. Period. Done.

[oberyn]

The only person who truly annoyed me as far as Lois goes is Kate Bosworth. Because she wasn't annoying enough! She was a pale imitation of Lois Lane. Clark knows that the annoying attitude is all a front, but obviously some people just don't get it. Everybody else who has been interested in him fawns all over him and Lois is the only one who doesn't. She doesn't think she needs him, but in all actuality, she does. Just like he needs her.

Lois = annoying. Get over it. There. Period. Done.

Great post.

IMO, Lois Lane has always been a character that's going to rub some people the wrong way. In the early stages of the Clark/Lois relationship, Clark's invariably the more sympathetic figure. Lois is bossy, demanding, and not about to give Clark credit for much of anything.

I can't really understand singling out Smallville's version of Lois Lane for this sort of behavior. :confused:

[LoveHurts38]

I love the way she is very Lois.

[Timester]

The only person who truly annoyed me as far as Lois goes is Kate Bosworth. Because she wasn't annoying enough!

Yep.

Kate's Lois was like, "Yes, Clark. Now go stand on the corner for the next 3 hours because I would care less."

That's not Lois at all.

[darkone]

I feel pity for Clark that he settles for such a woman in the future.It's a tragedy in itself imo.My god Lois from ALL people is the last one who has the right to lecture/mock Clark on his love life.Sure there were times when Lana was going hard on him but she NEVER belittled him like Lois doing it.And she's doing it repeatedly.

I think with Lana gone and Lois being pushed to the center her character flaws are even more obvious now.

[supes0]

In fact, Lois is the ONE girl with whom he is actually honest and drops his guard... he gets snippy with her in a way he never does with anyone else. She yells at him in this episode and what does he do? He yells back. He says, "Calm down!!!" When do we ever see Clark act like that with any woman? He's always afraid of hurting their feelings and he holds himself in... not with Lois.




Exactly. She gives him permission to be less than perfect, to lose a little control. With Lois he can be petty, rude, arrogant, all the things everybody has inside of them but keep under wraps. He knows she can stand toe to toe with him, no matter what.

Lois on the other hand hides her soft side beneath an abrasive shell, it's to keep people away from her so she won't get hurt.

[Timester]

I feel pity for Clark that he settles for such a woman in the future.It's a tragedy in itself imo.My god Lois from ALL people is the last one who has the right to lecture/mock Clark on his love life.Sure there were times when Lana was going hard on him but she NEVER belittled him like Lois doing it.And she's doing it repeatedly.

I think with Lana gone and Lois being pushed to the center her character flaws are even more obvious now.

You don't have to pity anyone. That's how the story is written for the past 70 years, especially Lois.

Hey, at least Lois HAS character flaws. ;)

[geminis]

Great post.

IMO, Lois Lane has always been a character that's going to rub some people the wrong way. In the early stages of the Clark/Lois relationship, Clark's invariably the more sympathetic figure. Lois is bossy, demanding, and not about to give Clark credit for much of anything.

I can't really understand singling out Smallville's version of Lois Lane for this sort of behavior. :confused:

Thank you. *curtsies

What's up with ripping Lois apart for being Lois? I just don't get it.

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I feel pity for Clark that he settles for such a woman in the future.It's a tragedy in itself imo.My god Lois from ALL people is the last one who has the right to lecture/mock Clark on his love life.Sure there were times when Lana was going hard on him but she NEVER belittled him like Lois doing it.And she's doing it repeatedly.

I think with Lana gone and Lois being pushed to the center her character flaws are even more obvious now.

What you see as flaws, other people see as strengths. And if Clark felt belittled or bothered by Lois' attitude, I'm pretty sure he would have said something by now.

[Myrddin]

one of the things that annoys me is that Lois took Clark's coffee... just assumed that he bought it for her. It annoys me that she was hassling Clark about when he would be at work. He is not her personal assistant yet she acts like she is his boss. I could go on, but it is making me mad just typing this.


But the Lois of the movies and of the tv show Lois and Clark was just the same way.

I like Smallville's Lois. I liked L&C's Lois.

I hated the movie Lois.

[eas]

I feel pity for Clark that he settles for such a woman in the future.It's a tragedy in itself imo.My god Lois from ALL people is the last one who has the right to lecture/mock Clark on his love life.Sure there were times when Lana was going hard on him but she NEVER belittled him like Lois doing it.And she's doing it repeatedly.

I think with Lana gone and Lois being pushed to the center her character flaws are even more obvious now.

Uh... what show were you watching? Lana belittled Clark ALL the TIME. She was always on his case about "secreths and lieths" and she never gave him the benefit of the doubt in anything. She constantly told him off and he just stood and took it. He said, "I'm so sorry, it's all my fault" more times than he told her he loved her. And she took his "sorries" and threw them in his face, again and again. Lana not only belittled Clark, she did it in a manner that it was all about HER. A lot of the time, it was because Clark had the audacity to not realize that the whole universe revolved around Lana & that led to her going off on him. Some of Clark's worst moments on the show are moments he shared with Lana and moments where she gave him absolutely zero respect. There were times where I wondered if Lana even liked Clark or she just liked that he loved her. She never gave him constructive critisicm... just told him off for her own good.

While it's true that Lois is a flawed character and I would definitely agree that the series is not hiding the flaws, there is a huge difference between Lois's flaws & Lana's flaws. Lois is bossy, rude, and loud. Lana was/is self-absorbed and has no problem breaking the heart of any man who falls in love with her - and let's not even get into her killing a woman & almost killing Lionel and Lex! :rolleyes:

And, honestly, how on earth do you get that he's "settling" for Lois? That makes no sense. Lana has never done anything, in 7 years, that shows that she should be with Clark - including marrying Lex Luthor.

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Great post.

IMO, Lois Lane has always been a character that's going to rub some people the wrong way. In the early stages of the Clark/Lois relationship, Clark's invariably the more sympathetic figure. Lois is bossy, demanding, and not about to give Clark credit for much of anything.

I can't really understand singling out Smallville's version of Lois Lane for this sort of behavior. :confused:

I agree, to an extent. I don't even think that Clark is supposed to be a sympathetic character, in this sense, because the audience knows what Lois doesn't know: That's he really perfect... almost God-like. In a way, this sort of story-telling makes the audience cheer for Lois, because she acts like the one person who can stand up to a god - a figure that then earns the respect of the reader (or viewer) because so many others are in awe of Clark.

This is true even when she doesn't know the secret, but becomes even more true AFTER she learns... because her behavior with Clark doesn't change. She still holds her own against him - a mere mortal who can defy a god.

That's part of what makes Iconic Clois so awesome.

[j-kent]

I think this interpretation of Lois and Clark is consistent and great! This is the epitome of Lois in the beginning of the relationship- always teasing CK and treating him like a kid...but that's why it great because is essential for the common Lois & Clark facade. Clark never knew the love of his life was right in front of it him nabbing the story before him and always smacking him in the face!

[leDASHann]

It's iconic.
Simple as that.

[morrigan01]

Practically every Superman fan (who knows the mythos) hated Kate Bosworth's Lois Lane because she lacked the balls-all-out passion that Lois Lane is suppose to have. She was a passive-aggressive imitation who won a Pulitzer for writing a whining article about how her boyfriend left her!

Frankly, the only thing that didn't make me dislike her even more than I did in that movie was that she ignored Clark Kent; because Clark Kent wasn't even a real character in his own right in SR but just a disguise.

If Superman Returns did anything for me, it was to kill any positive regard I may have still had for any of the concepts of the Silver Age, pre-crisis version of the mythos. I honestly now pretty much hate many key-aspects of it: Lex as just a con-artist; Clark Kent as nothing more than a disguise and not a real person; him trying to get Lois to fall in love with a disguise even though she loves the "real" side of him, which only makes her look shallow and blind because she can't see it's him standing right there even though he's playing the part of a bumbling idiot. . . .

I could go on.

Anyway, back to Lois. She, unlike the other women in his life, has never, does never put Clark/Superman on a pedestal. He can screw up and she'll call him on it if he does something stupid, or just let him be selfish and, dare I say it, human when he needs to be.

As someone above said, when Lana belittled Clark (and Lana most certainly did so more than once) it was always all about her. Clark doesn't trust her, Clark wont open up to her, Clark is judging her, her, her, her.

If Lana had caught him with Maxima in that elevator, she would have ran off crying and made it all about her.

When Lois does it, it's always about Clark himself because she thinks he's done something stupid, is doing something stupid, etc.

Lois would have chewed him out for making out in the elevator anyway - her reaction was only heightened because aside from thinking he was doing something stupid, her unexpected jealousy at it came into play as well.

Every true Lois Lane has always been rather bossy, rude and annoying, and she gets even more so when she's angry (especially with herself or Clark) about something. How this character trait is new to people with regards to any true version Lois Lane beats the heck out of me.

[kiariclois]

The only person who truly annoyed me as far as Lois goes is Kate Bosworth. Because she wasn't annoying enough! She was a pale imitation of Lois Lane. Clark knows that the annoying attitude is all a front, but obviously some people just don't get it. Everybody else who has been interested in him fawns all over him and Lois is the only one who doesn't. She doesn't think she needs him, but in all actuality, she does. Just like he needs her.

Lois = annoying. Get over it. There. Period. Done.

True!

As much as I hate to say bad things about Lois, but I really have to say this; I hate SRLois. She isn't exactly THE Lois Lane we know and like. She's much quieter too and less annoying (Really, really OFF). Ya see how dull Lois will be when she's not annoying :rotfl: I say this again, I never really had problem with SV Lois. I've had problem with Clark and the others, but never on Lois. I think even the old TPTB did well with her character, and I think PS3 added more flavor in Lois' character, as far as I'm concerned. I hope the standard will go up, up and up... :lol:

Could she be anymore Annoying? Aye... she could be but I think a lot of people will welcome it with warm arms. :p

ETA: If you guys haven't read the comics, you really should. Just read like 10 comics at least, and you'll see how Lois is. I think from the movies, we saw less Lois, because it mainly focus on Clark and the storyline; you can't know who Lois is just by watching the movie (you'll be at loss if you only been watching SR :p Lois is pretty much... not Lois)

[oberyn]

I agree, to an extent. I don't even think that Clark is supposed to be a sympathetic character, in this sense, because the audience knows what Lois doesn't know: That's he really perfect... almost God-like. In a way, this sort of story-telling makes the audience cheer for Lois, because she acts like the one person who can stand up to a god - a figure that then earns the respect of the reader (or viewer) because so many others are in awe of Clark.

I agree with you if we're talking about the days in which Clark was the disguise and Superman was the real person. I've often said it's tough for me to feel sorry for "Clark" when Lois is in love with Superman and dismissive of him because, well, Superman's the one who decided to have the Clark Kent persona act like the sort of guy that no one would ever confuse with Superman.

I think in the post-Crisis version of the story, though, Clark often comes across as more sympathetic. Clark is the real person, and it's Lois looking down on Clark (or at least being somewhat dismissive of him) for a variety of reasons, not least of which because she doesn't like this new reporter poaching on her territory, particularly when his background is that of a guy raised in Smallville, Kansas. Lois has her own "walls" that Clark has to break through.


This is true even when she doesn't know the secret, but becomes even more true AFTER she learns... because her behavior with Clark doesn't change. She still holds her own against him - a mere mortal who can defy a god.

I agree with you.

[ElVibo]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.

I mean Oliver is a billionare, the green arrow, and isn't afraid to say whats on his mind which I think is an attractive trait to have and that's why I think Lois fell in love with Oliver because she met her match and left that relationship because she couldn't handle being with someone with a duel identity. Clark is more reserved and not like Oliver and always taking the safe route. And he probably falls for Lois because he probably enjoys the banter with her, she's different than Lana, who knows. This is why I love the Superman Mythology, because Clark has to blend in with humans he has to appear a little bit weak or timid just to keep his identity and powers secret. Imagine having to go through life with super strength you have to constantly watch and calibrate how you grab people, shake their hands because the last thing you want to do is break off someone's limb.

Clarks reaction to Lois' teasing is always a smile and that's good because he knows who he is and what he is capable of, if he's not taking her seriously than why should you?

[susangail]

Not that I would advocate this, but imagine how this Lois's demeanor would change if she knew Clark's secret. Would she feel stupid, or what?

Anyway, I'd forgotten how hard-boiled Teri Hatcher's Lois started out until I rented the L&C pilot DVD. She softened into mush over the course of that series, but I like that SV Lois is as feisty as ever, even as she's trying to figure out what's going on between her and Clark.

[geminis]

Re "Lois is like his annoying big sister."

No brother should look at his sister the way Clark looks at Lois when she's dressed up or in the 'clothing optional' shower scenes they've had.

[morrigan01]

Not that I would advocate this, but imagine how this Lois's demeanor would change if she knew Clark's secret. Would she feel stupid, or what?


You know what? I honestly don't think Lois would be all THAT surprised if she found out Clark's secret. (And I still say there's a 90% chance she finds out this year).

Lois, I think, has already pretty much suspected that Clark has a secret. That's why she gave in the diary back at the end of season 5 for his birthday - because he kept so much to himself and she thought a diary would give him somewhere to write all his thoughts down since he couldn't (in her mind) talk about whatever it was openly.

So I think the only thing that would really surprise her about it all is to learn that he's an alien. But just learning about his powers would only make her think he was a meteor freak, and I could totally just see her smiling and saying "I knew it!" :)

[susangail]

You know what? I honestly don't think Lois would be all THAT surprised if she found out Clark's secret. (And I still say there's a 90% chance she finds out this year).

Lois, I think, has already pretty much suspected that Clark has a secret. That's why she gave in the diary back at the end of season 5 for his birthday - because he kept so much to himself and she thought a diary would give him somewhere to write all his thoughts down since he couldn't (in her mind) talk about whatever it was openly.

So I think the only thing that would really surprise her about it all is to learn that he's an alien. But just learning about his powers would only make her think he was a meteor freak, and I could totally just see her smiling and saying "I knew it!" :)

I'm not so sure she thinks he has a secret as much as she thinks he's secretive in general. They've each evolved different means of self-protection: she uses bluster, and he holds himself apart. I think she knows that.

[TWNik]

I have watched since Season 1, & quite honestly, Smallville's version of Lois Lane is not only annoying, she's a disgrace to the name, especially with her "office romance" with the boss/entrance to the Daily Planet.

Then there is the acknowledged brother-sister chemistry between Tom & Erica, it hasn't changed & all the lightswitches into "romance" are rather Eww.

I haven't like this version of Lois from about Season 5, & she's gotten worse.

[morrigan01]

I'm not so sure she thinks he has a secret as much as she thinks he's secretive in general. They've each evolved different means of self-protection: she uses bluster, and he holds himself apart. I think she knows that.

Actually, in a deleted scene from "Hypnotic" Lois' tells Clark she always thought he had a secret. Yeah, I know, it was deleted, but I'm rolling with it anyway. ;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Sorry, I like the way Lois is. She's supposed to be annoying.

[OneShotClois]

Sorry, I like the way Lois is. She's supposed to be annoying.

I agree. I wouldn't want them to change one thing about her. And Lois being annoying is just interesting to watch, she always spices up the scenes..

[geminis]

Actually, in a deleted scene from "Hypnotic" Lois' tells Clark she always thought he had a secret. Yeah, I know, it was deleted, but I'm rolling with it anyway. ;)

And, unlike Chloe and especially Lana, she was okay with letting him keep his secret.

[kris10]

lets remember that chloe did accept that he had a secret...

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lois is supposed to be like this....that what is central to her character....she has to be strong and over the top and totally not perfect who is? that's what makes her special...thats what makes her so human....but she is a great person inside even though it always doesnt come out on the outside....she always does what's right and that is the one thing i do love about her character...
i think that is also what superman/clark loves too

[DontCha]

at first, Lois does not accept the secret, she reacts badly. Then later accepts it.

this is the modern Lois im talkin bout tho

[pizzahead2490]

lois lane is supposed to be annoying god!!!!! who ever dont think this need to read the comics. if you want a tame lois watch a dvd version of superman return lois lane.

[DontCha]

I have watched since Season 1, & quite honestly, Smallville's version of Lois Lane is not only annoying, she's a disgrace to the name, especially with her "office romance" with the boss/entrance to the Daily Planet.

Then there is the acknowledged brother-sister chemistry between Tom & Erica, it hasn't changed & all the lightswitches into "romance" are rather Eww.

I haven't like this version of Lois from about Season 5, & she's gotten worse.


i dont know about you, but I dont check my out when he's not looking like Lois did,

and i dont ever tend to see brothers and sisters kissing..and him enjoying the kiss.

[Vindellavon]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.

I agree.

[susangail]

I have enjoyed all of the TV Lois Lanes and HATED the movie versions. Maybe it's because television allows us a more nuanced feel for the character over time. A movie has only an hour or two to interpret the character for us.

After initially disliking ED's Lois Lane, I've come to appreciate her: tough broad with a heart of gold.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

I love Lois as she is...annoying!!!:p Ed did great this episode. Her chemistry with Tom is spot on:)

[Myrddin]

I hated the SR Lois the minute she fainted.

Lois Lane does not faint.

[eas]

I have watched since Season 1, & quite honestly, Smallville's version of Lois Lane is not only annoying, she's a disgrace to the name, especially with her "office romance" with the boss/entrance to the Daily Planet.

Then there is the acknowledged brother-sister chemistry between Tom & Erica, it hasn't changed & all the lightswitches into "romance" are rather Eww.

I haven't like this version of Lois from about Season 5, & she's gotten worse.

I've watched since the Pilot episode, as well, and I can say that this is one of the best versions of Lois Lane I've ever seen -- she truly does take the comic version of Lois (the canon version) and bring her to life. The show, imo, has improved with her addition & I'm loving this new season because we get to see so much more of her. I also love Clark when he's around her and that's a great bonus, too.

I have a brother - and many male cousins - and if I ever looked at them the way Lois sizes up Clark then I'd need to be in therapy. And I'm not talking in S8... I'm talking since S4. TPTB might have THOUGHT they were doing brother/sister, but I've never met brother/sisters who give each other lap dances.

But, hey... you may live in a different part of the world than me... *shrug*

[kiariclois]

I've watched since the Pilot episode, as well, and I can say that this is one of the best versions of Lois Lane I've ever seen -- she truly does take the comic version of Lois (the canon version) and bring her to life. The show, imo, has improved with her addition & I'm loving this new season because we get to see so much more of her. I also love Clark when he's around her and that's a great bonus, too.

WORD! Completely agree with you there. We rarely seen Lois on the movies because of the screentime limit. but in SV, it's like watching the live Lois Lane from the comics, although, she's been toned down a little (and yet, people still want her to be toned down a little more :rotfl: ).


I have a brother - and many male cousins - and if I ever looked at them the way Lois sizes up Clark then I'd need to be in therapy. And I'm not talking in S8... I'm talking since S4. TPTB might have THOUGHT they were doing brother/sister, but I've never met brother/sisters who give each other lap dances.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Very true. How can people say they're like brother and sister *shudder*

[AndiGirl]

I think it's creepy that the producers were the ones that constantly refered to their brother/sister relationship. I dont know what kind of a house they grew up in....:\ :lol:

[geminis]

Re "Lois is like his annoying big sister."

No brother should look at his sister the way Clark looks at Lois when she's dressed up or in the 'clothing optional' shower scenes they've had.

Reposting this because the producers must have been tripping when they referred to Lois and Clark as having a brother/sister relationship. The only thing siblingy about them is the bickering. And that has changed from spats to banter. Also, they were never really downright mean and vicious like real brothers and sisters can get with each other.

I too have watched Smallville from the very beginning and it was a breath of fresh air and exactly what I needed after the unbelievable tragedy that same September. And I felt the same way when Lois came on.

[Clana4Life]

Well, if the producers have said they are like brother and sister, what more can we say? Smallville has been pretty devoted to Clana for 7 years. Pending they get approval for a 9th Season, they can take their time and let Clois develop naturally. They don't have to rush it. Four episodes is not enough to have established their chemistry. And I know people will make reference to the few covos they've had over the years or scenes where there's a spark, but what is that when you've had heaps of helpings of Clana. I'm not advocating Clana, I'm just saying TPTB are going to have to invest as much into Clois as they did Clana and they invested a lot into Clana - much to the chagrin of some. Maxima talking about some strong bond that I guess has really developed "off-screen" will not sell the couple. We're getting the superspeed version of Clois. Maxima's line should have been said towards the end of this season. Clark's only been back in the States for what - a month. And Lois is already supposed to be in love with him or at least falling fast? Why? Why now? It can't just be because that's what happens in the comics. Then again this is the same Lois that was in love with Oliver last week and doubting whether breaking up with him was the right choice. I don't blame this on Lois - this is how the writers have written this "iconic love story". But I digress... This post is about Lois being overly annoying. I didn't say that Lois Should Not be annoying - I said they are making her a bit over the top. She hasn't always been like this.

[bigv]

Well, I hear what folks are saying about the iconic Lois character being forthright and strong-willed, even stubborn at times. And yes, she is usually treating Clark like a kid and a bit of an idiot (just watch how they interact in the Donner films and the comic books). But I also see what folks are saying about it being hard to build a romance between these two and there inlies the REAL issue- in the comics/movies, Lois is in love with Superman, not Clark. But now Smallville is trying to build a romance between Lois and Clark and that's something that only happened in the Dean Cain show (in which, ironically, Lois was much more "toned down" than in other movies/shows). So my point is, if Smallville's Lois is going to be in love with Clark and not Superman, than she's going to have to be more Terri Hatcher and less Margot Kidder. But if they want to keep with the strong-willed, sarcastic Lois, then they need to get away from building a romance with Clark and introduce Superman and that would be a realistic guy with which she would act more like she did with Green Arrow.

[geminis]

To be honest, the thread has also digressed mightily. Lois could be more annoying or less annoying and there would be people who are happy and love her and people who are unhappy and hate her. The only reason she was over the top was to hide her shock and mask her feelings. The elevator scene and shortly after were the only really ballistic over the top vent fests and they were all because Lois not only doesn't deal well with sad, she doesn't deal well with real, heartfelt emotions. She's like a cat in the wild; can't show illness or weakness for fear of more injury. Let's mask the emotion in rudeness and sarcasm. She cares and she cares too much. And it is a surprising, shocking revelation to her. She hasn't always been like this because she didn't realize how she would feel. Now she's realizing it for the first time and she has no clue how to handle it other than yell and cover up and deny.

We don't know how or at what point Smallville will end but I'm pretty sure we'll never get to see full on mutually romantic Clark and Lois, because that happens after Superman. I think we, or at least Clark, may start to see the softer sides of Lois once Lana is out of the picture. And I'm hoping that we'll get to see Clark starting to realize how important Lois will be to him.

[Clana4Life]

Well, I hear what folks are saying about the iconic Lois character being forthright and strong-willed, even stubborn at times. And yes, she is usually treating Clark like a kid and a bit of an idiot (just watch how they interact in the Donner films and the comic books). But I also see what folks are saying about it being hard to build a romance between these two and there inlies the REAL issue- in the comics/movies, Lois is in love with Superman, not Clark. But now Smallville is trying to build a romance between Lois and Clark and that's something that only happened in the Dean Cain show (in which, ironically, Lois was much more "toned down" than in other movies/shows). So my point is, if Smallville's Lois is going to be in love with Clark and not Superman, than she's going to have to be more Terri Hatcher and less Margot Kidder. But if they want to keep with the strong-willed, sarcastic Lois, then they need to get away from building a romance with Clark and introduce Superman and that would be a realistic guy with which she would act more like she did with Green Arrow.


That is my sentiment. How the heck does a relationship build like this unless she tones down a bit? I'm hoping they mellow her out a bit, since most people are saying that she's over the top right now because she's running away from her feelings. Since we are getting superspeed iconic Clois love story, hopefully she will even out in the next few episodes. Mildly annoying is probably within reason for her character, but constant banter, sarcasm, rudeness, belittling of Clark wears thin after a while. Even Lois herself said that on a good day they are barely friends. I guess the writers will finagle it somehow, and I bet it will involve toning her down just a bit. Right now she's a little to brazen for our mild-mannered farm boy. I liked the Lois we saw with Green Arrow, but she treated Green Arrow like her equal.

[kiariclois]

Four episodes is not enough to have established their chemistry.

4 episodes? To be exact, it only took one episode (Crusade) to see and build up the chemistry. They both have great chemistry with each other, only those who are in denial refuse to see it because they have other things in their mind, and not wanting to see the Chemistry Lois and Clark had.

Clark and Lana took so long to get into the point where they ought to be together because these two people are just not for each other, so yes, basically it needs a bit more pull factors and such. It could take 20 seasons for them to develop their relationship, but in the end we all know it won't work. It's completely different for Lois and Clark. I don't even think it's right to compare Clana with Clois. Clana needs a lot of work, and they tend to become sombody else just to make the relationship works. With Clois, it's completely different. If Lois "Toned down a bit"... she wouldn't be Lois and I hate to see Lois becoming hypocrite. From the looks of it, I think Clark is used to be around the bossy 'Over the top' Lois and if she changed now, I would wanna see him asking her, "Are you okay, Lois?" :p

In most incarnations, Clark fell in love with Lois at first sight. Lois had weird feelings for him, and is in denial of her feelings because that's just how she is. It's really easy for them to develop feelings, just like that -- but they always have problem with actually starting the relationship. In SV however, we've seen them becoming friends, but that doesn't mean that he or she can't fall for each other like in other version of Clois. One simple action, can change the feelings...

Seriously, they don't need like 9 seasons for them to build up the chemistry... It's always there...

But all in all, I don't think Clois will happen anytime soon, but I think there'll be more jealousy/hint/anvils... and maybe we might even get to see Clark develop his crush on Lois, like in the comics and movies and keep it for himself. We need a miracle for Clois romantic relationship to actually happen in the show... I think... :rotfl:

I really do hope PS3 won't "toned" her down even one bit... I like the way she is now. :)

[oqllcksmallville]

I can see how they can fall in love because Lois and Clark are always teasing each other and underneath Lois's sarcasm and Clark's seriousness, there's playfullness and admiration. I think it's sweet how they started off as just friends and not lovers.
LOL , i agree completely .
why cant they play with each other ?
does it always have to be ;
nice.friendly.cute LOVE ?
why cant it be a clark.lois kind of LOVE ?
And dont you DARE compare ,
Lois and Oliver ,
to Lois and Clark .
I am a LOLLIEPOPPER . = )
I love Lois and Oliver ,
but everyone has different relationships .

[kiariclois]

Oh I love Lollie too! I even like Lois and AC. :p

I think her personalities are something that sort of attract the SuperHeroes dudes. :rotfl:

[eas]

I think it's creepy that the producers were the ones that constantly refered to their brother/sister relationship. I dont know what kind of a house they grew up in....:\ :lol:

:lol: Yeah, it's not the best choice of words, that's for sure.

I think they define it as a "relationship where two people bicker constantly and aren't romantically inclined towards one another". The fact is that they've gone out of the way to show Clark and Lois dating everyone under the sun except each other. Both Clark and Lois have their moments where they indulge their attraction for each other and they flirt, but - for the most part - they never really thought that they'd seriously date the other party.

But all the instances where the two made out or had moments of flirtation negate that they are sibling-like. And, now, PS3 have said that they're amping up the Clois and removing any sibling-like interactions -- and the second they said that I knew that the Clois was going to be very - unambigiously - THE roma ship of the season. Because if S4-7 Clois was their idea of sibling like behaviour then S8 would be crazy.

And that's pretty much what we're getting. And I'm not complaining - far from it. :D

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4 episodes? To be exact, it only took one episode (Crusade) to see and build up the chemistry. They both have great chemistry with each other, only those who are in denial refuse to see it because they have other things in their mind, and not wanting to see the Chemistry Lois and Clark had.

I have to agree. Let's not forget that - other than flying - meeting Lois Lane was the only thing that Clark remembered from when he was Kal-el. That's pretty huge... when Lois snaps Clark out of Maxima's 'spell' I remember that. Lois does reach pretty deep into his subconscious.

[SteveS]

Let's see, could lois be any more annoying? Sure, she has been a deplorable flunky with the most obnoxious of personalities in the past, so 'they' have made an effort to upgrade her this season.

And even though I have seen every version of Lois ever on screen and still think that Smallville's version is the worst lois ever, she is slightly less repugnant to me than she has been in previous seasons. Still, the is a two-dimensional personality of no depth and her repetoire of admirable personal qualities is extremely limited. Since I am not under the delusion of the fantasy of 'soulmatehood', this lois despite the incessant pandering of her female physiogomy seems more like the ex-mate, divorced-mate to any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff.

I am going to assume that the remainder of her appearances on Smallville are intended to make us think that ClarkMan would fall for such a person but since her pheromones don't reach me through the screen, though they may try to make her less objectionable, for me, saying that lois is 'annoying' is a 3rd rate upgrade from her real self.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Let's see, could lois be any more annoying? Sure, she has been a deplorable flunky with the most obnoxious of personalities in the past, so 'they' have made an effort to upgrade her this season.

And even though I have seen every version of Lois ever on screen and still think that Smallville's version is the worst lois ever, she is slightly less repugnant to me than she has been in previous seasons. Still, the is a two-dimensional personality of no depth and her repetoire of admirable personal qualities is extremely limited. Since I am not under the delusion of the fantasy of 'soulmatehood', this lois despite the incessant pandering of her female physiogomy seems more like the ex-mate, divorced-mate to any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff.

I am going to assume that the remainder of her appearances on Smallville are intended to make us think that ClarkMan would fall for such a person but since her pheromones don't reach me through the screen, though they may try to make her less objectionable, for me, saying that lois is 'annoying' is a 3rd rate upgrade from her real self.

I take it you mean:
physiognomy

1. the face or countenance, esp. when considered as an index to the character: a fierce physiognomy.
2. Also called anthroposcopy. the art of determining character or personal characteristics from the form or features of the body, esp. of the face.
3. the outward appearance of anything, taken as offering some insight into its character: the physiognomy of a nation.

So in other words what you see on the surface :confused: Like all things beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the worst Lois Lane ever was in Superman Returns - a wishy washy pale imitation of the fiesty, ballsy, brave, strong minded woman I knew as Lois Lane since the original Superman movie. As to the 'any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff' - THANKFULLY not all guys go for all the same kinds of women. Again eye of the beholder and all that. :) And let's face it - not like 'sweet vanilla' has led Clark to his happily ever after let alone a happy relationship is it?

To me Smallvilles Lois Lane is a layered character. Eye of the beholder again.

And I never knew a pheromone could reach through a screen :D Man. I really must upgrade my TV set. I'm missing out! :)

[kris10]

Let's see, could lois be any more annoying? Sure, she has been a deplorable flunky with the most obnoxious of personalities in the past, so 'they' have made an effort to upgrade her this season.

And even though I have seen every version of Lois ever on screen and still think that Smallville's version is the worst lois ever, she is slightly less repugnant to me than she has been in previous seasons. Still, the is a two-dimensional personality of no depth and her repetoire of admirable personal qualities is extremely limited. Since I am not under the delusion of the fantasy of 'soulmatehood', this lois despite the incessant pandering of her female physiogomy seems more like the ex-mate, divorced-mate to any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff.

I am going to assume that the remainder of her appearances on Smallville are intended to make us think that ClarkMan would fall for such a person but since her pheromones don't reach me through the screen, though they may try to make her less objectionable, for me, saying that lois is 'annoying' is a 3rd rate upgrade from her real self.

nice:rotfl:you are entitled to your opinion

[SteveS]

Right, a pheromone can't come through a screen and a thinking guy would use and lose this lois, especially after coming to know her. So yes, whatever appeal this lois has for people is lost on me.

This lois has no layers nor depth of character, she is very little changed from the video game player observing Chloe working at the Daily Planet, except that 'they' lightswitched her (lois) into a career as opposed to her earned status as a college expulsee. But hey, be of good cheer, 'they' are not showing her continued stupidities this year, so yes, lois could be more annoying.

Oh yeah, the eyes being the window to the soul, lois' eyes are usually doe-eyed and blank. And Lois Lane has existed on-screen since long before Margot Kidder appeared in Superman-the movie.

[Smallville6]

I take it you mean:
physiognomy

1. the face or countenance, esp. when considered as an index to the character: a fierce physiognomy.
2. Also called anthroposcopy. the art of determining character or personal characteristics from the form or features of the body, esp. of the face.
3. the outward appearance of anything, taken as offering some insight into its character: the physiognomy of a nation.

So in other words what you see on the surface :confused: Like all things beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the worst Lois Lane ever was in Superman Returns - a wishy washy pale imitation of the fiesty, ballsy, brave, strong minded woman I knew as Lois Lane since the original Superman movie. As to the 'any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff' - THANKFULLY not all guys go for all the same kinds of women. Again eye of the beholder and all that. :) And let's face it - not like 'sweet vanilla' has led Clark to his happily ever after let alone a happy relationship is it?

To me Smallvilles Lois Lane is a layered character. Eye of the beholder again.

And I never knew a pheromone could reach through a screen :D Man. I really must upgrade my TV set. I'm missing out! :)


Jeez Annie! Where have you been? Of course they sell TV's that can have pheromones reaching out of the screens! Actually, I just picked one up the other day! I must say they have excellent quality and the definition and coloring is great!
Get your head out of the clouds girl, This is the 21st century!:lol:

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Hey Steve, I'm sensing a little hostility in your posts..
Ahh, these Lois-haters and their logic never fail to make me laugh:lol:

[darkone]

Can Lois be anymore annoying?No she couldnt.All the reasons why I dislike her and her relationship with Clark were present in this Episode.And the fact that other characters have to tell them what a OMG bond they have makes this whole thing even more worse.The relationship progression between them is so ridiculous,unbelievable and lightswitched it's not even funny.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Right, a pheromone can't come through a screen and a thinking guy would use and lose this lois, especially after coming to know her. So yes, whatever appeal this lois has for people is lost on me.


ANY so called THINKING GUY who would USE and LOSE ANY WOMAN is not a thinking guy or a MAN of any kind.

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Jeez Annie! Where have you been? Of course they sell TV's that can have pheromones reaching out of the screens! Actually, I just picked one up the other day! I must say they have excellent quality and the definition and coloring is great!
Get your head out of the clouds girl, This is the 21st century!:lol:

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Hey Steve, I'm sensing a little hostility in your posts..
Ahh, these Lois-haters and their logic never fail to make me laugh:lol:

:rotfl: DAMMIT. I gotta get me one of those sets!!!

And personally for me it's gone beyond Lois hate with some of those last statements.

[Smallville6]

Well, I wouldnt take it too hard Annie.
The last few sentences in his last post talked about Lois's eyes...:confused:
Apparently if you dont have the right kind of eyes, thats a reason to hate her...
So basically what I'm saying is, while reading his posts, you must throw all logic and sense out the window!
And I highley reccomend you do buy one of those sets! They work wonders!:lol:

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Can Lois be anymore annoying?No she couldnt.All the reasons why I dislike her and her relationship with Clark were present in this Episode.And the fact that other characters have to tell them what a OMG bond they have makes this whole thing even more worse.The relationship progression between them is so ridiculous,unbelievable and lightswitched it's not even funny.

And I'm afraid if people feel like that then they're just touching the tip of the ice-berg when it comes to how I felt about year after year after year after year of the Lana and Clark saga. But as always it's each to their own and threads like this one will always bring out the hostilies. :(

[Timester]

she is slightly less repugnant to me than she has been in previous seasons.

Who are you and what have you done to the real SteveS?

[geminis]

Ah, opinions. Ranging from sweet vanilla, to wild cherry to sour grapes...

[Smallville6]

Ah, opinions. Ranging from sweet vanilla, to wild cherry to sour grapes...

:lol:

[kris10]

id say that goes both ways

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i think that lois is a lot better this season so far...isnt there a learning curve we are seeing the younger version so all the kinks havent been worked out yet right? same as clark who will become superman...

[cloisthelegendbegins]

i think that lois is a lot better this season so far...isnt there a learning curve we are seeing the younger version so all the kinks havent been worked out yet right? same as clark who will become superman...

ITA with this kris!!! And just said something similar in another thread:D It's what the show is all about. WELL SAID!

[pizzahead2490]

Let's see, could lois be any more annoying? Sure, she has been a deplorable flunky with the most obnoxious of personalities in the past, so 'they' have made an effort to upgrade her this season.

And even though I have seen every version of Lois ever on screen and still think that Smallville's version is the worst lois ever, she is slightly less repugnant to me than she has been in previous seasons. Still, the is a two-dimensional personality of no depth and her repetoire of admirable personal qualities is extremely limited. Since I am not under the delusion of the fantasy of 'soulmatehood', this lois despite the incessant pandering of her female physiogomy seems more like the ex-mate, divorced-mate to any guy with the ability to think or separate wheat from chaff.

I am going to assume that the remainder of her appearances on Smallville are intended to make us think that ClarkMan would fall for such a person but since her pheromones don't reach me through the screen, though they may try to make her less objectionable, for me, saying that lois is 'annoying' is a 3rd rate upgrade from her real self.


oh please. dude get your eyes checked.:(

[kris10]

ITA with this kris!!! And just said something similar in another thread:D It's what the show is all about. WELL SAID!
thanks...:D its all good.....jus cus im down in the dumps im not going to say that for clark/superman and not lois this isnt superman yet....we cant just blow the magic dust and a character is just the way we want...i may be a chlarker but i do try my best to be fair.....
annie we always find common ground.....:)

[Dee]

I find this version of Lois Lane is annoying. The chemistry that they are trying to shove down our throats seems forced....and given the rating lately I know a lot of people agree with me.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Would that be the rating that went UP from last week?

[Dee]

Would that be the rating that went UP from last week?

Up by what by 100 000? That's a joke. When I mentioned the ratings, it was pertaining to the entire season thus far. This season premiere had the lowest ratings of any of SV's premieres. All I know is, if the WB still exsisted Smallville wouldn't have made it past season 6. Do you remember the show "Angel', the Buffy spin-off? It was cancelled because of low ratings- its average was higher than what SV's projecting right now!

This isn't the Smallville that I enjoyed watching. I don't see any romantic chemistry between Clark and Lois. She annoys me.

[abbaspice1]

^^
Well, if it bothers you so much Dee, why are you still watching.

It like walking through woods full of poison Ivy and then complaining that each time you walk through the woods, you come out itching.

STop doing it.

[kris10]

hey we all complain AND we still watch.....i know i do...i try not to complain at least not so much......:)hey i remember teri hatcher is season 1 of lois n clark and she was annoying too but she mellowed as time progressed lets hope EDLois does too...

[DestinyAw8s]

Like all things beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the worst Lois Lane ever was in Superman Returns - a wishy washy pale imitation of the fiesty, ballsy, brave, strong minded woman I knew as Lois Lane since the original Superman movie.
ITA Yep. A tepid, one-dimensional figure that left me feeling flat and uninterested. Not to mentioned that I feared at any moment she might begin to whine. I don't know who or what this strange character was, but she was definitely not any version of Lois Lane that I care to ever see again.

[abbaspice1]

^^^Yeah but some people take it too far.

Nothing good ever said, moan and groan about the show that they FORCE themselves to watch....really don't people have better things to do with their time?

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Up by what by 100 000? That's a joke. When I mentioned the ratings, it was pertaining to the entire season thus far. This season premiere had the lowest ratings of any of SV's premieres. All I know is, if the WB still exsisted Smallville wouldn't have made it past season 6. Do you remember the show "Angel', the Buffy spin-off? It was cancelled because of low ratings- its average was higher than what SV's projecting right now!

This isn't the Smallville that I enjoyed watching. I don't see any romantic chemistry between Clark and Lois. She annoys me.

Well naturally you're entitled to your opinion as is everyone at K-Site but I don't think ratings have anything to do with Lois Lane. The CW is the lowest rated channel as a norm and yet Smallville is still it's highest rated scripted show. Shows like Heroes are losing viewers by the shedload and many shows considered cash cows are down this year. Some hyped as being the next big thing are falling flat on their faces. Yet our little show with virtually no promotion by the CW and up against increasing competition is holding it's own. There's no way of knowing what it would/wouldn't have done if the WB had stayed on air and we're not talking about spin-offs. Plus it's worth remembering that not EVERYONE watches the show for 'ships' - some watching for the action, some because it's a superhero show, some - believe it or not - actually watch it for Clark Kent ;) I have an eight year old nephew who covers his eyes every time there is kissing or 'soppy stuff' on it and yet I have to buy double copies of all the box sets so he has one of his own and TIVO the show so he can see it - he didn't even know who Superman WAS before he started watching the show with me.

So suggesting Lois Lane being 'annoying' is the sole reason for any drop in ratings doesn't work. Viewers will come and go. And there are hundreds of factors to look at for any drop. Right now Smallville is holding it's own on it's sucky channel and I'm very proud of our little show for that.

[kris10]

hey i think theres LOTS of reasons to watch this show....namely yummy Clark Kent...#2 yummy Clark Kent-oh i already said that......well said annie...yea who would have thought 8 seasons?? i never thought that when i started watching i would just say to myself its too good to be true....SR lois who was that kate bosworth you could snap her like a twig if superman hugged her hed break her...you need a tougher gal than that.....EDlois is definitely tougher and yes she is more annoying cus she has a pulse and srlois certainly didnt IMO...

[cloisthelegendbegins]

hey i think theres LOTS of reasons to watch this show....namely yummy Clark Kent...#2 yummy Clark Kent-oh i already said that......well said annie...

:D Well yes... Clark was who drew me in too ;) Having Justin on board more this year is a bit of a bonus as well...:p

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yea who would have thought 8 seasons?? i never thought that when i started watching i would just say to myself its too good to be true....SR lois who was that kate bosworth you could snap her like a twig if superman hugged her hed break her...you need a tougher gal than that.....EDlois is definitely tougher and yes she is more annoying cus she has a pulse and srlois certainly didnt IMO...

I KNOW!!! Eight seasons in this day and age is one heck of an achievement :eek:

ITA on SRLois. She was just too 'meh' for me. And for me the thing about every generation of Lois Lane is that IN HER GENERATION she was the right match for Superman AND she was someone girls/women of that generation could look to (1930's Lois was a career girl when that wasn't exactly the norm beyond secretarial or shop work). With that in mind what I think Smallvilles Lois does is show us that it's okay to have flaws and to make mistakes and still be loved by someone truly amazing regardless. No-one is perfect - even Smallvilles Clark Kent has been shown to have flaws and make mistakes. And it's that 'human element' that makes it more relevant to me and brings it forwards into a new generation in a way it's never been tried before. But then I'm a Superman fan who supports a reboot to bring him into the 21st century so he stands a chance of surviving another seventy years... :o Is Smallvilles story perfect? I think everyone can agree it isn't. But it's been brave in oh-so-many ways. Brand new characters/a new take on the mythos/using DC characters some people might never have heard of before and then showing us how they're gonna align that with what we already know??? BRAVE.

[morrigan01]

Well, I hear what folks are saying about the iconic Lois character being forthright and strong-willed, even stubborn at times. And yes, she is usually treating Clark like a kid and a bit of an idiot (just watch how they interact in the Donner films and the comic books). But I also see what folks are saying about it being hard to build a romance between these two and there inlies the REAL issue- in the comics/movies, Lois is in love with Superman, not Clark. But now Smallville is trying to build a romance between Lois and Clark and that's something that only happened in the Dean Cain show (in which, ironically, Lois was much more "toned down" than in other movies/shows). So my point is, if Smallville's Lois is going to be in love with Clark and not Superman, than she's going to have to be more Terri Hatcher and less Margot Kidder. But if they want to keep with the strong-willed, sarcastic Lois, then they need to get away from building a romance with Clark and introduce Superman and that would be a realistic guy with which she would act more like she did with Green Arrow.

And, once again, for the umpteenth time - LOIS LANE FALLS IN LOVE WITH CLARK KENT FIRST IN THE POST-CRISIS COMICS CONTINUITY!

I am going to continue screaming this until it sinks through to people. It is NOT incorrect for Lois to fall for Clark first. It has just never fully been shown on screen before, especially because Bryan Singer's dumb ass had to go and make another Pre-Crisis Superman movie, so a whole new generation got retold that same, tired Silver Age triangle stuff that hasn't been done in the comics since 1986.

Lois Lane always falls in love with the real persona, not the disguise. And, until Crisis on Infinite Earths reset the DC Universe, Clark Kent was nothing more than a disguise. Which is WHY she falls for Superman and not Clark in stories based in the pre-Crisis Silver Age. Because Clark Kent wasn't a real person.

Once Clark Kent became a real person after the reboot in 1986, she fell for Clark first.

SV Lois is VERY MUCH like the modern, post-Crisis Lois found in the comics. The same Lois Lane who falls for Clark Kent first.

*throws up hands in frustration*

*sigh*

[abbaspice1]

^^^ITA!!!^^^

This may be off the subject, but why did people who are NOT interested in the mythos, start watching the show in the first place?

I mean, I've watched it from the beginning. I tuned in because I LOVE the Superman mythos, I knew both the pre-crisis and the reboot story lines. I prefer the reboot (where Lois falls for Clark first).

[cloisthelegendbegins]

This may be off the subject, but why did people who are NOT interested in the mythos, start watching the show in the first place?

I mean, I've watched it from the beginning. I tuned in because I LOVE the Superman mythos, I knew both the pre-crisis and the reboot story lines. I prefer the reboot (where Lois falls for Clark first).

Oooohhhh GREAT QUESTION abbaspice! I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one. I think regardless of whether you're a mythos fan or a Superman movies fan or a L&C fan the name Clark Kent is synonymous with Superman and is known by millions upon millions the world over the same way the classic 'S' symbol is. So you sell it as a story of a young Clark Kent on his journey to becoming Superman people 'get it'. Unlike say for instance the film The Island which no-one had a clue about until they actually watched it (and many didn't cos they had no idea and therefore no interest :rolleyes:)

Anyhoos that's why people the world over watch Smallville imo...

[morrigan01]

I mean, I've watched it from the beginning. I tuned in because I LOVE the Superman mythos, I knew both the pre-crisis and the reboot story lines. I prefer the reboot (where Lois falls for Clark first).

I absolutely can not stand the pre-crisis stuff anymore. Bryan Singer's film officially killed any affection I still had for it. And it's all because of Clark Kent.

I never cared for Clark Kent before the reboot - and that, I realized afterwords, was because I wasn't supposed to. Because he was just a disguise and not a real person I was supposed to care about anyway.

Which was made very clear in the What Ever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? comic book. He didn't even keep the name Clark Kent by the end of that story.

But I love Clark Kent now. Starting from the reboot in the comics, up through Dean Cain's version in LnC and now Tom Welling's take.

Which is one of the many reason why I hated Superman Returns. I am just so over Clark not being a real person and just the disguise for Superman who is the real person. Bryan Singer got asked that question at Comic-Con while he was making the film - who was the real person, Clark or Superman? He said Superman, and the room cheered.

But I didn't. I felt my heart sink. Because I knew we were headed back to the pre-crisis era with the movie, and I just didn't know if I could go back to that stuff again after all this time.

Turns out? I couldn't. I'm done with it. Clark is a real person to me now and can never be just a disguise again.

And, as I said above, Lois Lane falls for the person, not the disguise. Someone may prefer the pre-crisis take on the love story in which she goes for Superman, but it's NOT incorrect for her to fall for Clark first either. (And don't just base it on LnC either, because that show wasn't fully a post-crisis show - it has some Silver Age stuff going on there too).

Smallville is, IMO, the first fully realized post-crisis retelling of the mythos done in either TV or movies.

[cksidekick]

And, once again, for the umpteenth time - LOIS LANE FALLS IN LOVE WITH CLARK KENT FIRST IN THE POST-CRISIS COMICS CONTINUITY!

I am going to continue screaming this until it sinks through to people. It is NOT incorrect for Lois to fall for Clark first. It has just never fully been shown on screen before, especially because Bryan Singer's dumb ass had to go and make another Pre-Crisis Superman movie, so a whole new generation got retold that same, tired Silver Age triangle stuff that hasn't been done in the comics since 1986.

Lois Lane always falls in love with the real persona, not the disguise. And, until Crisis on Infinite Earths reset the DC Universe, Clark Kent was nothing more than a disguise. Which is WHY she falls for Superman and not Clark in stories based in the pre-Crisis Silver Age. Because Clark Kent wasn't a real person.

Once Clark Kent became a real person after the reboot in 1986, she fell for Clark first.

SV Lois is VERY MUCH like the modern, post-Crisis Lois found in the comics. The same Lois Lane who falls for Clark Kent first.

*sigh*


i agree with you...100%

and Singer didn't do Superman fans any favors when it comes to getting that across to people...his pre-crisis influenced Superman set the goofy (disguise) Clark in stone...in the 21st century no less! :mad:

the guy doesn't even know on which side Superman parts his flippin' hair!! :\....and now when long time Superman fans try to talk to "general" fans about the character, they think Singer's version is the standard barer...





what did the Seinfeld Soup Nazi say to Bryan Singer?


NO SUPES FOR YOU!! :lol:

good news is, the reboot is official...:cool:

[DestinyAw8s]

And, once again, for the umpteenth time - LOIS LANE FALLS IN LOVE WITH CLARK KENT FIRST IN THE POST-CRISIS COMICS CONTINUITY!

I am going to continue screaming this until it sinks through to people. It is NOT incorrect for Lois to fall for Clark first. It has just never fully been shown on screen before, especially because Bryan Singer's dumb ass had to go and make another Pre-Crisis Superman movie, so a whole new generation got retold that same, tired Silver Age triangle stuff that hasn't been done in the comics since 1986.

SV Lois is VERY MUCH like the modern, post-Crisis Lois found in the comics. The same Lois Lane who falls for Clark Kent first.

*sigh*
Don't fret, morrigan01. People hear you, they just choose not to listen. It's too bad because they will never understand or admit, whichever the case may be, who Lois Lane really is. Nor will they ever get why Clark Kent falls so hard for her. But REAL Lois Lane fans know. I myself fell in love with comic Lois Lane and by extension, Superman, when I was a little girl. I avidly read my brother's superman comic just for Lois and Clark/Superman adventures. I continue to read them and love them just as much to this day. Any version of Lois Lane that doesn't meet my expectations gets cut from my interest pretty quickly (SR, for example). But SVLois Lane, as a younger, maturing version, has captured my heart. I LOVE her! And I couldn't be more thrilled that TPTB have finally put her in her rightful place and begun the trek to her Iconic "Mad Dog" status. The fact that I get to see both Lois and Clark in live action at the DP has me doing cartwheels of joy. I won't let my enthusiasm be dampened. People can say whatever they like, it still won't change a thing for me.

[Minela]

I hope Lois gets more annoying. I don't think she is annoying enough. IMO :D

[DestinyAw8s]

I hope Lois gets more annoying. I don't think she is annoying enough. IMO :D
LOL Minela!! Too true!:D

[Clana4Life]

Well, I didn't create the thread to change anyone's opinion about Lois Lane. I wanted to find out who found her annoying and survey people's opinions as to whether or not she was more annoying and over the top in this episode. I'm happy to read people's opinions even when they disagree with my own. It's good to get different perspectives. I just think that posters should never make it personal. It's good to have an opinion - but I think we can have opinions without personally attacking one another.

Anyway, I'm a big fan of Margot Kidder's Lois. She never seemed over the top. She was strong willed, a bit bossy and spirited, but not so much so where you felt you had to take an aspirin. I think ED Lois is different. I know that mythos dictates that Clark and Lois fall in love - well depending on which comic you are reading - but if the writers were not bound by this, I really couldn't see Clark falling for this Lois. Maybe as some said she will mellow out like Teri Hatcher's Lois. Yes, I think the majority of people who watch Superman movies, read Superman comics, watch Clark Kent/Superman tv shows like Lois Lane. That's not the argument. But all Lois Lane's are not created equally. Bearing the name alone doesn't make one Lois Lane. Unfortunately, there is no "one Lois Lane" to compare all other Lois' to. The character of Lois Lane changes with the writer of the comic or the actress in the movie/tv show. But I'm using Margot Kidder as my ideal. Others may use the various comics as their basis. In comparison to Margot Kidder's Lois Lane, SV Lois Lane is a bit over the top. I am hoping she will mellow into a sort of Margot Kidder Lois Lane. And MK Lois Lane was by no means bland - she just wasn't a caricature either. As far as the "Clois chemistry/relationship" Clark is not currently interested in her - I guess he's still trying to heal, but I'm glad they are not rushing things on Clark's end. The Lois/Clark dynamic seems one in which Lois could become Clark's annoying gal pal, like the friend who always sticks her nose in his business and give Clark love advice even when he doesn't want it, much like she keeps doing by telling him to get over Lana. They just seem like they would be really good friends in an annoying sort of sibling way. They just don't speak relationship to me at this point and I blame that mostly on the way Lois interacts with Clark. If she could bring the same amount of respect to the table that she brought with Oliver and Aquaman, then that would be a different story. It doesn't make a lot of sense that she likes Clark and treats him this way. She liked Oliver and Aquaman and didn't interact with them the way she does with Clark.

[Reeve_290]

Lois was perfect in Season 4 and perhaps most of Season 5. I don't know if it was because we only had to put up with her attitude in mild moderation, and that allowed it to be funny, or if its because her head has inflated several cap sizes as the series has gone on. I dunno. But last season (7, and actually for a fair bit of 6) she was almost intolerable and the only thing that has made her slightly more bearable this season is that Clark is occasionally sticking up for himself. (Despite my opinion of her, I'm the first to admit that the DP scene in Odyssey was very good!)

But there is a difference between teasing someone because you like them and being a total cow and Smallville-ED-Lois is the latter. She is completely horrible to Clark. Example: In Bizarro, I understand that Chloe was dying and Llois was freaking out. That is fair. But the way she reprimanded Clark at the hospital, telling him not to show an ounce of emotion when he mentioned Lana was awful. Ok. Lois was scared about losing Chloe, I can't accept her rudeness because she'll apologizes later right? - when Chloe's comes around and she realises that (apparently) Lana's dead. WRONG! She says that she forgives Clark and then becomes all high and mighty, making it all about her, giving him advice on how to deal with loss. No. Not a nice person.

As several people have already said, the reason I am not a Smallville Cloiser simply because I can't see it happening. Not realistically. It was a very clever idea to have the pair of them dislike each other in the beginning - it was funny, because we know they end up together. But now Lois' arrogance and inability to say she's sorry or admit she's ever wrong (which more often than not she is!) has grown tiresome and is no longer endeering. Some of you may say 'Aw that's just Classic Lois'. I don't think it is - and if it is, alright, then I despise 'Classic Lois'.

[DestinyAw8s]

The only one who ever really apologizes on this show is Clark.

[morrigan01]

If she could bring the same amount of respect to the table that she brought with Oliver and Aquaman, then that would be a different story. It doesn't make a lot of sense that she likes Clark and treats him this way. She liked Oliver and Aquaman and didn't interact with them the way she does with Clark.

Actually it does make sense because Clark and her were/are friends first. Close friends. And falling in love with a friend who love life rollercoaster you've had a front row seat for is way different than falling for a guy you've just met who you think is cute. Especially with the "being left behind" issues Lois has.

Lois doesn't want to fall for Clark. She's not happy about this for a number of reasons. Hence her over the top reaction to catching him with Maxima. That reaction blindsided her.

Lois and Clark weren't supposed to meet for the first time until they were both at the Daily Planet. As we saw in Apocalypse, if they had met at the DP first, and Lois didn't know about any of the drama Clark has been through with Lana and Chloe, she wouldn't have held back showing any attraction to him, or being open and even flirty. Just as was with AC and Oliver.

So no, it makes perfect sense that she's acting like this, especially with the real fear she voice to Clark himself about being left behind by someone she loves. After having witnessed the Clark and Lana drama? And knowing her cousin has been in love with Clark since high school (and finding out that same cousin wrote him an intense love letter back then)? For all Lois knows, Clark will one day decide to either go for Chloe or go off and find Lana (or Lana will come back) and she'll be left behind again.

So "doesn't make sense"? Nope, for the insecurities Lois has, it makes perfect sense that the feelings she may be starting to feel and acknowledge about Clark that this is how she'd act.

And before this episode, the way Lois and Clark acted towards each other was because the attraction was a subconscious thing, buried deep. They weren't consciously looking at each other that way at all. That's only part of it of course, but I don't feel like getting into right now. I'll just say, Clark was hardly innocent in any of the banter exchanges and attitude between the two of them during all these years. (I remember a little comment made to Lana and Chloe about smothering Lois with a pillow in "Aqua" for one).

[kiariclois]

hey we all complain AND we still watch.....i know i do...i try not to complain at least not so much......:)hey i remember teri hatcher is season 1 of lois n clark and she was annoying too but she mellowed as time progressed lets hope EDLois does too...

She did mellowed a bit -- just a little bit, because she admitted that she loves him :p but I don't think that she will in SV because -- well -- as much as I love to see the Clois in SV, I just can't see it happening. Though - I could definitely see Clark being the one who's conscious about his feelings for her.


I hope Lois gets more annoying. I don't think she is annoying enough. IMO :D

ITA. Oh PS3 -- Please don't change Lois :rotfl:

[OneShotClois]

I hope Lois gets more annoying. I don't think she is annoying enough. IMO :D

I agree!!
I love the way Lois is potrayed on SV. I don't find her irritating at all. Infact, If I had the choice, i'd put her in all the SV scenes :p because IMO they don't show her enoughh :lol:

[RedKRules]

Can Lois be anymore annoying?No she couldnt.All the reasons why I dislike her and her relationship with Clark were present in this Episode.And the fact that other characters have to tell them what a OMG bond they have makes this whole thing even more worse.The relationship progression between them is so ridiculous,unbelievable and lightswitched it's not even funny.

That is the problem I have as well, If the producers really had taken the time to show me as what, why, when, where Clois were perfect to each other on the show, I´d be cheering up for them anytime, I am not going to believe them just because they´re together everywherelse, I am watching SMALLVILLE I want to see them making it believeble here!! and I haven´t seen it so far! I don´t think Lois is annoying ... but her being too bossy annoys me!

[Forever_Chlark]

lois is the most annoying person in smallville. Don't really understand why she's there

[Smallville6]

lois is the most annoying person in smallville. Don't really understand why she's there

Oh gee, I dont know.
It's not like she's a big part of Clarks life/future or anything:rolleyes:
Thank god Chloe is there, because she's obviously one of the biggest parts of Clark's future.

*sighs*

[RedKRules]

Why can´t people make their points without dragging others characters that has nothing to do with it into it?!

[shamville]

Lois shouldn't been on season four, She should be in this season meet clark for first time and work at daily planet, Chloe could have chance with clark if lana, lois not around.

[abbaspice1]

Shamville:

Give it a rest will ya? One minute, Chlarks (Some not all) claim that canon doesn't need ot be followed. The next minute some of you are claiming canon for why Clois shouldn't be happening now.

If you think about it for just a minute, if the writers used canon Chloe wouldn't EXIST all all. Would you be satisfied then?

[morrigan01]

Why can´t people make their points without dragging others characters that has nothing to do with it into it?!

Maybe because some of the points being made are illogical.

Lois Lane, a character who is important in the overall story of Superman shouldn't even be on a show that's about Superman? But characters who were never originally part of the story are fine being there? People who wouldn't even exist if TPTB had strictly stuck to the rules?

To quote Xander on Buffy: "That's insane troll logic."

[Sweetie]

I don't see what the problem is.This Lois is perfect for this Clark periode.He doesn't need a cry baby girl or a fallow your order type of girl either.He needs a strond woman to tell him like it is that way he won't feel sorry for himself when troubles come.Also she won't be hopeless when she is left alone,she is wise,tricky and can defend herself.Everybody in Smallville saw the chemistry between them:Johnathan,Martha,Chloe,Lana even a queen from another planet saw it.The only ones who are completly in denied is the couple in question and of course few Clanaers and Chlarkers ;)

[pizzahead2490]

I hope Lois gets more annoying. I don't think she is annoying enough. IMO :D

exactly:D

[eas]

I think, to answer the first post, that Lois could easily be MORE annoying. In fact, I wish she would be... I'm afraid that they're mellowing her out too much & I want my good 'ole snarky Lois back. I'm hoping that she keeps her tears to a minimum for the rest of the season.

[jimmyolsenblues]

i did not find lois annoying at all, she likes clark and she is into reporting. i don't see what else is wrong with lois right now.

[individuall]

I think, to answer the first post, that Lois could easily be MORE annoying. In fact, I wish she would be... I'm afraid that they're mellowing her out too much & I want my good 'ole snarky Lois back. I'm hoping that she keeps her tears to a minimum for the rest of the season.

ITA :D...
Of course next week:\...

But after that I don't want to see any water near her eyes!

[geminis]

I don't see what the problem is. This Lois is perfect for this Clark period.He doesn't need a cry baby girl or a follow your order type of girl either.He needs a strong woman to tell him like it is that way he won't feel sorry for himself when troubles come.Also she won't be hopeless when she is left alone,she is wise,tricky and can defend herself.Everybody in Smallville saw the chemistry between them:Johnathan,Martha,Chloe,Lana even a queen from another planet saw it.The only ones who are completly in denial are the couple in question and of course few Clanaers and Chlarkers ;)

Exactly! Bravo and well said.

May Lois continue to annoy everybody. Some people (including Clark) actually like it.

[TaZeR]

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[amberdawn]

Too much info buddy

[kryptonaidxh]

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[Minela]

I'm actually looking forward to see Lana again. She needs to see what she's missed out on.

Is that mean? :D

[kryptonaidxh]

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[kris10]

I'm actually looking forward to see Lana again. She needs to see what she's missed out on.

Is that mean? :D

you are so funny:D
gotta love it

[geminis]

I'm actually looking forward to see Lana again. She needs to see what she's missed out on.

Is that mean? :D

Yes and no...

Clark keeps chasing her and she keeps dumping him. He gives her chances and she throws them away. Now that would truly be annoying.

Lois and Clark don't have a relationship yet so Clark wouldn't be bothered by the constant dumping. Anyway, viva Lois and her soft hearted interior and her hard shelled exterior.

[Clana4Life]

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You might not have read the post about not attacking posters personally. I like good discussions even ones in which posters disagree, but I'm not interested in attacking posters personally for their opinions or being attacked. No offense taken here, but in the future try not to break the K-site rules. Thanks. :)

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Actually it does make sense because Clark and her were/are friends first. Close friends. And falling in love with a friend who love life rollercoaster you've had a front row seat for is way different than falling for a guy you've just met who you think is cute. Especially with the "being left behind" issues Lois has.

Lois doesn't want to fall for Clark. She's not happy about this for a number of reasons. Hence her over the top reaction to catching him with Maxima. That reaction blindsided her.

Lois and Clark weren't supposed to meet for the first time until they were both at the Daily Planet. As we saw in Apocalypse, if they had met at the DP first, and Lois didn't know about any of the drama Clark has been through with Lana and Chloe, she wouldn't have held back showing any attraction to him, or being open and even flirty. Just as was with AC and Oliver.

So no, it makes perfect sense that she's acting like this, especially with the real fear she voice to Clark himself about being left behind by someone she loves. After having witnessed the Clark and Lana drama? And knowing her cousin has been in love with Clark since high school (and finding out that same cousin wrote him an intense love letter back then)? For all Lois knows, Clark will one day decide to either go for Chloe or go off and find Lana (or Lana will come back) and she'll be left behind again.

So "doesn't make sense"? Nope, for the insecurities Lois has, it makes perfect sense that the feelings she may be starting to feel and acknowledge about Clark that this is how she'd act.

And before this episode, the way Lois and Clark acted towards each other was because the attraction was a subconscious thing, buried deep. They weren't consciously looking at each other that way at all. That's only part of it of course, but I don't feel like getting into right now. I'll just say, Clark was hardly innocent in any of the banter exchanges and attitude between the two of them during all these years. (I remember a little comment made to Lana and Chloe about smothering Lois with a pillow in "Aqua" for one).

Great post. My only question is since when are Lois and Clark really close friends? Even Lois said they are barely friends on a good day. I think they are friends - but not close ones, and that's really because Lois doesn't allow them to be - even when she wasn't very interested in Clark. She's just rough. And I wonder how long her behavior will be endearing for those who love ED Lois. I only know about this subconscious attraction because other people talk about it. I'm guessing and hoping that after she admits she likes/loves/adores him then she will proceed to act more humanely toward him. She'll actually give him the respect he deserves. Clark is not perfect, but he is a nice guy and I wish Lois didn't belittle him even if she doesn't mean to be cruel. And furthermore, I wish Lois didn't act like such a "queen know it all". Chloe actually is a "know it all" literally at this point, yet she is way more humble. A daily dose of humility might cure the annoying-bug that Lois has.

[individuall]

Great post. My only question is since when are Lois and Clark really close friends? Even Lois said they are barely friends on a good day. I think they are friends - but not close ones, and that's really because Lois doesn't allow them to be - even when she wasn't very interested in Clark. She's just rough. And I wonder how long her behavior will be endearing for those who love ED Lois. I only know about this subconscious attraction because other people talk about it. I'm guessing and hoping that after she admits she likes/loves/adores him then she will proceed to act more humanely toward him. She'll actually give him the respect he deserves. Clark is not perfect, but he is a nice guy and I wish Lois didn't belittle him even if she doesn't mean to be cruel. And furthermore, I wish Lois didn't act like such a "queen know it all". Chloe actually is a "know it all" literally at this point, yet she is way more humble. A daily dose of humility might cure the annoying-bug that Lois has.

I have to respectfully disagree with most of your post.
They may not be as close friends as Chloe/Clark...But I think that Clois are close friends in there own way..I mean they are apparently hanging out together, they go out, they comfort one another, they give each other advice...They know each other pretty well, IMO and they've lived together, etc etc. From what I've SEEN on screen they act like close friends IMO. But that's me...
As for subconscious attractions, we've seen many times when this has come to the fore front all the way back to 'Crusade' when Lois found Clark in the cornfield and again when she took him to the hospital...The blanket drops/when he picks her up and moves her out of the doorway...Then there was 'Spirit' when she came down in her dress, and Clark was Clearly attracted to her there. Also Hydro/Crimson where he has to face that he might actually LIKE kissing Lois and want too...
As for her acting inhumanely toward him? I honestly don't know where your getting this cruelty from...Banter is what Clois does and Clark can and does give as good as he gets...It's OK not to like it, but it's always been a part of their relationship even in other media like LnC and the Comics ...SVLois as well as every other Lois ever created has always been hard on Clark...She's challenging, she's opinionated, she's tough, she's loud, she's brash and all these things that you see as annoying is what intrigues/fascinates Clark...She's not tame and she's unlike any girl Clark's ever met..She keeps him guessing and has the ability to throw him off balance and surprise him a la "Instinct" when she freak out LOL...And he LIKES that...As for being a 'know it all' again especially when it comes to journalism...That's Lois Lane...
And Lois does respect Clark. Just because she's hard on him doesn't mean she doesn't respect him. She thanks him for saving her...'Recruit'/'Exposed' (there are more but I can't think of the eppy names)...Or in 'Plastique' when she thanks him for helping her with her story and that he has a long career ahead of him at the DP...There is definitely a mutual respect between Clois...But that doesn't mean Lois won't bust his chops every chance she gets...And that doesn't mean Clark will pass up the chance to see Lois squirm...That's what I personally Love about their relationship...
Honestly it's OK not to like her...You don't have to be a SVCloiser that's perfectly fine...You are entitled to your opinion and I honestly respect it, I do...But if you're expecting Lois to mellow out...Don't hold your breath...Because that's not Lois Lane and she's never going to be tamer than she is right now on the show...At least I hope not...And I, being first and fore most a Lois Lane fan (before a Clois fan) would not want her to be! :)

[Clana4Life]

Hi Individual,

Well, I like the character of Lois in general - Margot Kidder's Lois being my fav followed by Teri Hatcher's Lois. No comment on Kate Boseworth's Lois. There are many scenes where I like SV Lois, it's just that there are also other scenes where she is greatly annoying. We seem to get more of those scenes lately. Also, I put MK's Lois as my ideal, therefore, SV's Lois takes some getting use to. SV Lois is brasher than MK's Lois. But it seems that all Lois' become a bit nicer to Clark once they fall in love with Clark or learn that Clark is Superman, i.e., Lois & Clark and Superman II. I'm not asking for a tame/meek/weak Lois, just a downgrade from the one we have, which I think would make her more like MK and TH's Lois Lane. I don't know how far SV will let the Clois relationship go, so I'm not sure we will ever see how she would be if she were in an actual relationship with Clark. I suspect that he might go off to his training before that ever happens, but I think they would work together more in an equal sort of way, much like on the Lois & Clark series. Lois wouldn't feel like she's handholding Clark, saving the story or teaching Clark, which is what we have now. Their relationship would have an equal dynamic to it. The banter would be filled with smiles and subtle love innuendos instead of Clark rolling his eyes, sighing or remaining silent at Lois' "I know everything, let me teach you" quips.

[individuall]

Hi Individual,


Well, I like the character of Lois in general - Margot Kidder's Lois being my fav followed by Teri Hatcher's Lois. No comment on Kate Boseworth's Lois. There are many scenes where I like SV Lois, it's just that there are also other scenes where she is greatly annoying. We seem to get more of those scenes lately. Also, I put MK's Lois as my ideal, therefore, SV's Lois takes some getting use to. SV Lois is brasher than MK's Lois. But it seems that all Lois' become a bit nicer to Clark once they fall in love with Clark or learn that Clark is Superman, i.e., Lois & Clark and Superman II. I'm not asking for a tame/meek/weak Lois, just a downgrade from the one we have, which I think would make her more like MK and TH's Lois Lane. I don't know how far SV will let the Clois relationship go, so I'm not sure we will ever see how she would be if she were in an actual relationship with Clark. I suspect that he might go off to his training before that ever happens, but I think they would work together more in an equal sort of way, much like on the Lois & Clark series. Lois wouldn't feel like she's handholding Clark, saving the story or teaching Clark, which is what we have now. Their relationship would have an equal dynamic to it. The banter would be filled with smiles and subtle love innuendos instead of Clark rolling his eyes, sighing or remaining silent at Lois' "I know everything, let me teach you" quips.

Hi Clana4Life :)
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one :D...
ED's Lois Lane is my favorite followed very closely by TH's Lois...I enjoyed MK's Lois also...I abhorred KB's Lois...
Anyway I'm sure in the future when they do get into a relationship it'll be more smiley and loved filled I expect that..Not sure if we'll ever see it though...But honestly, this is my fave part of the Clois relationship in all media...The Chase! I love Clark's sighs and eyerolls and if you notice he smiles a lot at her too...I love Lois busting his chops and being a little brasher than she should and acting all superior...While Clark just takes it all in stride and is amused or irritated by it...But always fascinated in some way with her...Of course when she's in a relationship with him she'll be a little softer towards him, but it'll still be good old Lois Lane style...
But I wouldn't expect her to be nicer too him when she falls for him...I have a feeling that SVLois will fall in love with SVClark Kent kicking and screaming...I actually expect her to be shorter/more distant/ and a helluva lot more brash towards him because she doesn't WANT to be in love with him and it scares the Hell out of her.LOL...
And honestly I see them working pretty equally now even if Lois says she's hand holding...They've been really good about bouncing scenarios and possible leads off one another and exchanging information and whatnot IMO...

[ColdPlay3r]

individuall ITA with ur post

pretty much everything i think u hav

very nice :)

[eas]

Great post. My only question is since when are Lois and Clark really close friends? Even Lois said they are barely friends on a good day. I think they are friends - but not close ones, and that's really because Lois doesn't allow them to be - even when she wasn't very interested in Clark.

She's just rough. And I wonder how long her behavior will be endearing for those who love ED Lois. I only know about this subconscious attraction because other people talk about it.

I'm guessing and hoping that after she admits she likes/loves/adores him then she will proceed to act more humanely toward him. She'll actually give him the respect he deserves. Clark is not perfect, but he is a nice guy and I wish Lois didn't belittle him even if she doesn't mean to be cruel.

And furthermore, I wish Lois didn't act like such a "queen know it all". Chloe actually is a "know it all" literally at this point, yet she is way more humble. A daily dose of humility might cure the annoying-bug that Lois has.

Hmm... you raise some good questions. I broke them out, so I can address the different points more easily.

First of all, I would say that they are close friends and they have been since about S6. In fact, Ollie referred to Clark as Lois's "best friend" to Clark and Clark didn't negate it. (Which he easily could have, since he's never held back from that sort of comment before.) Also, we've seen their friendship progress from "Lucy" ("Oh, we're friends now?" / "I won't tell anyone if you won't.") all the way to "Siren" and "Arctic" where the two break down in front of each other - due to their respective significant others playing with their hearts - and hold each other for comfort. Typically, I break down like that only in front of my closest friends... otherwise, I close down. Furthermore, we've been given indication that Clark has been talking to Lois more and more about Lana (the convos they had in "Toxic" and "Instinct") and even Chloe pointed out that they're glued at the hip. This, I think, has more to do with the nature of their working relationship - not because they went out of the way to become closer. You know what I mean? They work side by side at the same company... of course, they're going to become even closer than they've ever been. But it's not like they started hanging out 24/7 just because they couldn't keep away from each other.

When Lois said that they aren't even barely friends on a good day, she was holding off a lethal sex goddess. (There's a sentence I never thought I'd write... LOL.) She was lying, because she wanted Maxima to stop trying to kill her and it was in her best interest to downplay the relationship that she & Clark had. What else was she going to say? "Well, no, I mean, he's a great friend and all... we're best friends, really... but - no - I don't feel that way about him....please don't kill me." I mean, was that really the place for her to get into her complicated relationship with Clark? There is what she TOLD Maxima and then there is what we've been SHOWN onscreen. I prefer to go with what we've seen since S4, because it makes sense that she was lying to Maxima. (Something she stops doing once Maxima reveals to her that Clark also has feelings for her & that she can't deny that there is something between them.)

Regarding humanely -- I think that Lois has actually mellowed out a lot since they first met. She is already acting much nicer to him and this started back in S7. When he was Bizarro and he smacked her b--t, she could have gone off on him. Instead, she hugs him and consoles him for Lana's loss. She tells him that she'll miss him when he tells her he's leaving. (In her own way.) As S7 goes on, we see them having many heart to heart talks... "Siren"; "Apocolypse"; "Arctic". In fact, I know this isn't canon, but there was a deleted scene where Lois tries to talk to Clark about Lana (she's being nice) and he completely shoots her down. So, I do think that the writers started mellowing her out in S7... and, this year, they've continued to do so.

Lois is arrogant, yes. But her intentions, beneath that bluster, are not that bad. Does she want to get the best stories? Yes. Does she want to be a better reporter than Clark? Yes. Does she think she knows more than him about reporting. Yes. (And she does.) But she'd die for him. And that counts for something. At the end of the day, Lois is fiercely loyal to those she loves. Whether she and Clark trade barbs (and, trust me, Clark gives as good as he gets with Lois) or whether they're all the way in love, it won't matter - at the core, Lois will be the same and she'll be just as sarcastic & simulataneously, just as loyal.

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Hi Individual,

Well, I like the character of Lois in general

There are many scenes where I like SV Lois, it's just that there are also other scenes where she is greatly annoying. We seem to get more of those scenes lately. Also, I put MK's Lois as my ideal, therefore, SV's Lois takes some getting use to.

SV Lois is brasher than MK's Lois. But it seems that all Lois' become a bit nicer to Clark once they fall in love with Clark or learn that Clark is Superman, i.e., Lois & Clark and Superman II. I'm not asking for a tame/meek/weak Lois, just a downgrade from the one we have, which I think would make her more like MK and TH's Lois Lane.

I don't know how far SV will let the Clois relationship go, so I'm not sure we will ever see how she would be if she were in an actual relationship with Clark. I suspect that he might go off to his training before that ever happens, but I think they would work together more in an equal sort of way, much like on the Lois & Clark series.

Lois wouldn't feel like she's handholding Clark, saving the story or teaching Clark, which is what we have now. Their relationship would have an equal dynamic to it. The banter would be filled with smiles and subtle love innuendos instead of Clark rolling his eyes, sighing or remaining silent at Lois' "I know everything, let me teach you" quips.

Good points.

The way I see it is this: SVLois is the younger and brasher version of those Loises. Also, one thing to note is that SVLois is very good friends with SVClark before he joins the DP. This changes their dynamic, so to speak.

Like, for example, THLois didn't want to have anything to do with DCClark. He had to chase after her, because they were assigned to be partners. So, at the beginning, she treated him like dirt - while, at the same time, flirting it up with Superman. But, she was fiercely competative with Clark and she got in quite a few zingers... which he listened to, with a bit of an eye roll, because he knew that she'd just melted into a puddle when she was in Superman's arms. MKLois was similar, except she was a bit more open to working with CRClark (I think, because it was a movie, they had to get to the point quickly) but she also had no problem being dismissive of him. Neither one of these two Loises wanted to work with Clark and had to be forced into doing it.

SVLois, on the other hand, is already good friends with Clark and so she initiates their partnership. She's not being forced to do it by Tess. This makes sense, within the context of "SV", because it would be odd if one of her good friends worked right next to her & she just ignored him. In that sense, she's already quite a bit nicer to her Clark than other Loises have ever been.

Now, is she still arrogant towards him? Sure. But, honestly, with good reason. She has been a reporter much longer than him. She was at "TI" for one year and then worked at the DP for a year. Both those years taught her much more than what Clark knows.... and so she does think she's a more experienced journalist than him & she's right. Could she be nicer about it and not as sarcastic? Maybe... but then she wouldn't be Lois. It would be very odd to see her suddenly holding his hand and not rubbing his face in it.

And, to be honest, it's not like Clark is only taking what she's dishing out... he's just as sarcastic to her and he has no problem making fun of her. This is a way in which SVClark differs from his counter-parts. Usually, Clark Kents are so smitten with Lois Lane that they take her abuse (as Clark Kent) and give her a free pass... then, they act all confident and manly as Superman. SVClark - at this moment - has not split his persona in two & so he responds to her as both Clark and Superman. Which means that - at times - he'll be patient and laugh... and, others, he'll snap back her & lose his temper.

SVClois has veered into territory that has never been explored before with Clois: "What happens when Lois Lane meets Clark Kent before he becomes the man in the blue suit?" Personally, I like how they're playing it. It took me awhile to get onboard with Lois falling for Clark, first. But, now, I see that it makes sense - given the context. Also, I have issues with Lois becoming all emotional about it - but, again, it makes sense because this is the same woman who was pretty much reciting poetry in "Superman" in a frilly nightgown before interviewing her crush.

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But I wouldn't expect her to be nicer too him when she falls for him...I have a feeling that SVLois will fall in love with SVClark Kent kicking and screaming...I actually expect her to be shorter/more distant/ and a helluva lot more brash towards him because she doesn't WANT to be in love with him and it scares the Hell out of her.LOL...

I agree... I think that Lois is going to get even more sarcastic with him, now that she's feeling all these feelings for him. She'll want to hide it from him in any way that she can, and acting rude and short with him is one way to go do it.

[OneShotClois]

individuall and eas I agree with everything you both said.. I, too, think Lois will try to do everything she can to cover up her feelings for Clark.

[Forever_Chlark]

Oh gee, I dont know.
It's not like she's a big part of Clarks life/future or anything:rolleyes:
Thank god Chloe is there, because she's obviously one of the biggest parts of Clark's future.

*sighs*


If I know my mythology right, then lois falls for superman not for clark. She's part of his future not his curent present :confused:

[cloisthelegendbegins]

If I know my mythology right, then lois falls for superman not for clark. She's part of his future not his curent present :confused:

Hey there. From what I know that tends to be more the movies version since the comics updated. So I'm reposting Morrigan's reply just to show the comics take. It's been said a few times but people may have missed it. Hence why I think morrigan was maybe getting a little frustrated ;) But I'll highlight the pertinent part :)


And, once again, for the umpteenth time - LOIS LANE FALLS IN LOVE WITH CLARK KENT FIRST IN THE POST-CRISIS COMICS CONTINUITY!

I am going to continue screaming this until it sinks through to people. It is NOT incorrect for Lois to fall for Clark first. It has just never fully been shown on screen before, especially because Bryan Singer's dumb ass had to go and make another Pre-Crisis Superman movie, so a whole new generation got retold that same, tired Silver Age triangle stuff that hasn't been done in the comics since 1986.

Lois Lane always falls in love with the real persona, not the disguise. And, until Crisis on Infinite Earths reset the DC Universe, Clark Kent was nothing more than a disguise. Which is WHY she falls for Superman and not Clark in stories based in the pre-Crisis Silver Age. Because Clark Kent wasn't a real person.

Once Clark Kent became a real person after the reboot in 1986, she fell for Clark first.

SV Lois is VERY MUCH like the modern, post-Crisis Lois found in the comics. The same Lois Lane who falls for Clark Kent first.

*throws up hands in frustration*

*sigh*

Hope helps ;) But it's a common mistake. Also when it comes to his future rather than his present Smallville has already broken that time and time again with the likes of Brainiac, Doomsday et all I think...

[kiariclois]

Sana, I really, really love your post! :D

[WickedJenn]

Agreed, absolutely excellent post eas.

You broke down SVLois excellently in terms of her relationship with Clark currently :)

[SteveS]

Great post. My only question is since when are Lois and Clark really close friends? Even Lois said they are barely friends on a good day. I think they are friends - but not close ones, and that's really because Lois doesn't allow them to be - even when she wasn't very interested in Clark. She's just rough. And I wonder how long her behavior will be endearing for those who love ED Lois. I only know about this subconscious attraction because other people talk about it. I'm guessing and hoping that after she admits she likes/loves/adores him then she will proceed to act more humanely toward him. She'll actually give him the respect he deserves. Clark is not perfect, but he is a nice guy and I wish Lois didn't belittle him even if she doesn't mean to be cruel. And furthermore, I wish Lois didn't act like such a "queen know it all". Chloe actually is a "know it all" literally at this point, yet she is way more humble. A daily dose of humility might cure the annoying-bug that Lois has.[/QUOTE]

Of course lois and ClarkMan are not close friends (or 'soulmates' or any other such foolishness), this concept is almost as preposterous as the laughably out-of-left field comment by Maxima (I had one of those for years, it was a nice car) about the non-existent deep connection between lois and Clark. It is true that he has tried to console her on her numerous failures in life, but that is the kind of person that he is considerate,something that lois is not. She did intrude, uninvited, during his awkward moment with Lana's good-bye video, but that was just lois' way (and the writers) to shoe-horn her into his life. He did not seek her out, she just glued herself to him.

Remember the 'momentous' shower scene when dim-bulb not-so-genius lois comes out of the shower wet and naked armed with a deadly hair (her daddy was a general in the U.S. Army and his career let her inherit a deadly skill with a ...) hairbrush? ClarkMan exhibited absolutely ZERO of the normal male teenager responses to her nakedness. lois failed again, not even a pant, much less a twitch. No deep pheromonic response to her body, much less her personality.

lois is arrogant, she has been so since she first came on Smallville and her list of personal, family, and romantic failures with her. In fact, her greatness triumph was when she was almost brained by the flying barn door. (they could have made it really funny and have her flattened like in a cartoon, then ClarkMan could have gotten a gem-dandy Jor-el inflator to inflate her back to life! Now that would have been cartoon, comic humor!) So, she is lightswitched into a 'journalist', ho ho. Me, I remember her playing video games while hanging out at the DP and Chloe working diligently, something lois never had done. So, her arrogance is intrinsic to a her person, something a cartoonist (I would assume) thinks is endearing. Most people of intelligence realize that arrogance is a character flaw, much more problematical than say if a lois had cellulite on the thighs.

You are right, this lois is 'rough', I prefer crass and without class, but 'they' are trying to improve her this year and will probably try to make her flawed-self more worthy of luv as this season continues. Hey, did you notice that many times when she is not on the episode,she is neither missed nor mentioned? ClarkMan does not have a deep connection with her, that is laughably silly.

A more likely scenario would be that lois would be secretly attracted to ClarkMan because he is clearly an upgrade from her numerous luv-failures in the past and he is going to inherit a little property, not to mention that he hasn't butt-kicked her to the moon for her incessant digs and insults in the past.

For ClarkMan, lois is not really an upgrade (other than leg tone) from his numerous female friends of the past. Lana is defective as a personality, undoubtedly, but she can still exude a beaming warmth, something this lois is incapable of doing, her best is a grin. Chloe, as we could and have spoken tons about her and in this realm, it is really and truly only Chloe with whom ChlarkMan has a truly deep bond. Heck, the best of lois' quips and insults after years on the program can't even compare with Alicia's last two episodes and the happy chemistry she and ClarkMan shared.

Still, be assured that the writers are in the process of refurbishing this lois to be more palatable, but still isn't as good as Noell, Margot, or Miss T. to me.

[morrigan01]

Hey there. From what I know that tends to be more the movies version since the comics updated. So I'm reposting Morrigan's reply just to show the comics take. It's been said a few times but people may have missed it. Hence why I think morrigan was maybe getting a little frustrated ;) But I'll highlight the pertinent part :)



Hope helps ;) But it's a common mistake. Also when it comes to his future rather than his present Smallville has already broken that time and time again with the likes of Brainiac, Doomsday et all I think...

Thank you Annie, because I was about two seconds away from throwing another tantrum. ;)

*glances up a SteveS's post*

*twitches*

. . . .

Ah, forget it. I don't feel like doing this anymore. :rolleyes:

[Deana]

Bring on the annoying! I love it and so does Clark.

[kiariclois]

*glances up a SteveS's post*

*twitches*

. . . .

Ah, forget it. I don't feel like doing this anymore. :rolleyes:

Twitches??

. . .

exactly my reaction :rotfl:

Well, we can never expect too much goodness on Lois from someone who has Lois rejection in his avy. :p


Remember the 'momentous' shower scene when dim-bulb not-so-genius lois comes out of the shower wet and naked armed with a deadly hair (her daddy was a general in the U.S. Army and his career let her inherit a deadly skill with a ...) hairbrush? ClarkMan exhibited absolutely ZERO of the normal male teenager responses to her nakedness. lois failed again, not even a pant, much less a twitch. No deep pheromonic response to her body, much less her personality.

What do you expect Clark will do? Jump to her and kiss her??? Or did you expact Junior to make certain action to show that he's turned on? Clark isn't like any other guy who can't control himself. Geez -- if it was Lana or Chloe -- I doubt that he'll have different reaction. Clark is a guy, yes but he's not an ass. :p And please re-watch it back and you'll see Clark did pant. :rolleyes:

And the fact that Lois did annoy him in that scene did make him forgot to even being shy seeing her there. :p


Lana is defective as a personality, undoubtedly, but she can still exude a beaming warmth, something this lois is incapable of doing, her best is a grin. Chloe, as we could and have spoken tons about her and in this realm, it is really and truly only Chloe with whom ChlarkMan has a truly deep bond. Heck, the best of lois' quips and insults after years on the program can't even compare with Alicia's last two episodes and the happy chemistry she and ClarkMan shared.

And I do agree about your opinion on Lana, Chloe and Alicia being able to do what you said on your post -- but seriously on Lois -- I don't agree. She's shown making Clark smiles so many times and there are times that when Clark needed to talk with someone, she was there for him and that tells me they do share special bond -- might not be as deep as Clark and Chloe's -- but they do have that bond.

[morrigan01]

Twitches??


Basically, my fingers moved to start writing a long rebuttal . . . then I just came to my senses and decided to ignore it. Especially with one of his arguments basically being Clark didn't flat out drool and act like a ape and jump Lois the minute he accidentally caught her naked, and so obviously doesn't find her attractive because of that.

I mean really. Arguments like that just make me too tired to care what the person thinks and arguing with them about it.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Thank you Annie, because I was about two seconds away from throwing another tantrum. ;)


You're welcome ;)

[eas]

Thank you Annie, because I was about two seconds away from throwing another tantrum. ;)

*glances up a SteveS's post*

*twitches*

. . . .

Ah, forget it. I don't feel like doing this anymore. :rolleyes:


Ignore button. It's very effective and stops twitching effects immediately.

[Reeve_290]

SteveS:
I agree with your interpretation of Lois - I don't like her much at all. I disagree with some of your arguments, such as said shower scene - no need to go into that but...

For ClarkMan, lois is not really an upgrade...but [Lana] can still exude a beaming warmth, something this lois is incapable of doing, her best is a grin
Well said! I know we may get verbally (textually) ravaged for this but I couldn't agree more!

[SteveS]

Good on you, Reeve, remember "the truth shall set you free."

No need to agree on everything, it is something thinking humans do no do.

I think I know when ClarkMan needs to hit the proverbial 'ignore button', but it wouldn't be with Chloe, probably not Lana, its that 'other' one who needs to be ignored 99% of the time!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

SteveS:
I agree with your interpretation of Lois - I don't like her much at all. I disagree with some of your arguments, such as said shower scene - no need to go into that but...

Well said! I know we may get verbally (textually) ravaged for this but I couldn't agree more!

Ah. But that is why there are 31 flavors. Some prefer sweet vanilla, some wild cherry, some any of the 29 others. If everyone liked the same thing there would only be the one flavor.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Ah. But that is why there are 31 flavors. Some prefer sweet vanilla, some wild cherry, some any of the 29 others. If everyone liked the same thing there would only be the one flavor.

Yup! And I say bring on the wild cherry! Wouldn't change one thing about Lois. Give me annoying, brash Lois any day of the week.

[stenochick]

My husband has always really liked the Lana character. She made me nausious, to be quite honest.

On the other hand, my husband cannot stand Lois. To him, she is like fingernails on chalkboard (am I dating myself with that reference?) However, I love Lois!

We are both ambivalent about Chloe. There are things we love and things we find annoying.

My theory is this regarding Lana and Lois:
Men really do have an instinctual attraction to the beautiful damsel-in-distress female archetype. Most women are a combination of the three Smallville female archetypes: damsel-in-distress, pretty Lana; intelligent and competant Chloe; and agressive (sexually, physically, psychologically,and emotionally) Lois.

When I was in highschool and college, I was a Lana and had so many suitors. But, as a career woman in my twenties and thirties, I was a Chloe and to a lesser degree, Lois. I had to channel my inner-Lana and bring her back into the forefront in order to get a mate. It totally worked!!!

Obviously, during the courtship, my soon-to-be husband figured out that I was highly intelligent and opinionated and did not need much in the way of rescuing. But, letting myself get needs met by him that I could have easily met by myself, allowed him to fall in love with me.

So, to all you Lois-haters, maybe she is just bringing out something in your own character that you are trying to deny (ladies); or, she brings up feelings of insecurity and inadequacy in you that you are trying to keep suppressed (gentlemen).

[ginnyfan]

^LOL! Great post.

[stenochick]

I wrote my previous post without reading all the other posts in this thread. Having now done that, I think I am in for a major @$$-whooping! I better run and hide!!:lol:

[SteveS]

lois may be wild but ain't no cherry.

And no, what lois brings out repeatedly is my AWARENESS of her gross insecurities and inadequacies. She may be strong of body, but she is weak in most other realms, but since some like to fancy that she is not a damsel in distress (although she is cold-cocked in many episodes), I would leave her to her own devices and in a move of Darwinian natural selection, lois would be selected out of the gene pool.

Even barring that, lois should never reproduce.

(one should not try to psychoanalyze the logic of posters, I believe it is against the rules)

[kiariclois]

LOL. Great post, stenochick


I think I know when ClarkMan needs to hit the proverbial 'ignore button', but it wouldn't be with Chloe, probably not Lana, its that 'other' one who needs to be ignored 99% of the time!

I seriously let a good laugh at this -- Apparently this ClarkMan in SV continues not to ignore Lois.


And no, what lois brings out repeatedly is my AWARENESS of her gross insecurities and inadequacies.

Oh please -- each SV Character has their own "gross" insecurities and inadequacies :rolleyes: but most haters love to focus on a certain character. :\

[stenochick]

(one should not try to psychoanalyze the logic of posters, I believe it is against the rules)

I apologize if I broke a forum rule, but, in all honesty, Steve, I had not read any of your posts, or anyone elses posts in this thread beyond the very first post prior to writing mine.

I was just hypothesizing based on mine and my husband's reactions to Lois, Lana, and Chloe, and from my past dating life. Maybe I read to many self-help and relationship books. lol!

I was not responding to you specifically, so it was not my intention to try to second-guess your logic or motives. You are entitled to you opinion and I was not in any way trying to be defensive or upset about your strong opinions. I hear it from my husband during the actual episode, so it doesn't bother me to read it here. :)

[morrigan01]

I wrote my previous post without reading all the other posts in this thread. Having now done that, I think I am in for a major @$$-whooping! I better run and hide!!:lol:

Don't. Because what you said was spot on IMO. And, frankly, can be applied to this episode. Because if Lana had been the one to catch Clark with Maxima, she would have ran off and cried and made the situation all about her. IMO she's always been a clingy, self-absorbed girl.

And that self absorption is one of the things that led her to sleeping with Bizarro and not noticing the difference between him and Clark.

There are guys (and girls) who like that type of person (or relate to that type) I guess but frankly, I don't know of any person who'd want to be with someone who couldn't tell them from someone else in a situation like that.

[skylar]

Some real mad HATERS out there. Clam down!!!

[SteveS]

I thought the term was 'Mad-Hatters'

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I apologize if I broke a forum rule, but, in all honesty, Steve, I had not read any of your posts, or anyone elses posts in this thread beyond the very first post prior to writing mine.

I was just hypothesizing based on mine and my husband's reactions to Lois, Lana, and Chloe, and from my past dating life. Maybe I read to many self-help and relationship books. lol!

I was not responding to you specifically, so it was not my intention to try to second-guess your logic or motives. You are entitled to you opinion and I was not in any way trying to be defensive or upset about your strong opinions. I hear it from my husband during the actual episode, so it doesn't bother me to read it here. :)


Bueno.:)

[LuckyLois]

There is no use trying to change people's opinions here. I am glad that those of us who love ED Lois, do not try to create "I hate so and so" threads about the other characters!

[Kalista]

So, to all you Lois-haters, maybe she is just bringing out something in your own character that you are trying to deny (ladies); or, she brings up feelings of insecurity and inadequacy in you that you are trying to keep suppressed (gentlemen).

So, people who don't like this character feel that was because of their own shortcomings or feelings of inadequacy? I don't think so. Perhaps people don't like her because of the way she is written. Plain and simple.

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There is no use trying to change people's opinions here. I am glad that those of us who love ED Lois, do not try to create "I hate so and so" threads about the other characters!

There are plenty of anti/negative threads and posts about other characters. A quick search would prove that.

[abbaspice1]

LOIS is the BEST!

Like the way I used the red and blue, huh?

To say that Clark is not physically attracted to Lois is a BUNCH of HOG MANURE!

Obviously, that poster has not watch the show in ages, since s3. Because Clark has been attracted to Lois for YEARS now.

I understand that people may be upset that she was introduced in Smallville. I understand that she is not everybody's cup of tea. But to MAKE UP LIES, is sheer madness.

ETA: Sorry, I REALLY tried to ignore that post. But I couldn't help myself. If you want to use canon use it truthfully.

[Kalista]

LOIS is the BEST!

Like the way I used the red and blue, huh?

To say that Clark is not physically attracted to Lois is a BUNCH of HOG MANURE!

Obviously, that poster has not watch the show in ages, since s3. Because Clark has been attracted to Lois for YEARS now.

I understand that people may be upset that she was introduced in Smallville. I understand that she is not everybody's cup of tea. But to MAKE UP LIES, is sheer madness.

ETA: Sorry, I REALLY tried to ignore that post. But I couldn't help myself. If you want to use canon use it truthfully.







Sexual attraction and chemistry are subjective. Some people think they see it with clois, others disagree.

[stenochick]

So, people who don't like this character feel that was because of their own shortcomings or feelings of inadequacy? I don't think so. Perhaps people don't like her because of the way she is written. Plain and simple.


I would say that if someone deeply hated this character, then there may be something going on inside of them. The same goes for hating the characters of Lana and Chloe.

[ginnyfan]

I guess those of us who agree with you stenochick will speak for ourselves. I know that you are not pointing fingers and talking about fans. You're just expressing your take on Lana, Chloe and Lois AND what may contribute to a preference for one girl or another.

As someone who preferred Lois and Chloe to Lana, I hear what you're saying and I agree.

I was talking to Daddylion about this a while ago and I took a look at myself and how much I hated Lana in the past. Here's what I said... not sure if it's related to the topic at hand.


I think all the women of Smallville bring forth a truth. In all women are elements that are feminist and anti-feminist. Lana is dependent on relationships because of her abandonment issues. Chloe's crush/love/hero worship of Clark has turned her into a kind of servant/sidekick at times to the point of hurting her career. Lois' sexuality makes her the focus of derision at times. Martha Kent's decision to give up her career and be a homemaker; letting Jonathan be the head of the household brought her some criticism. None of these facts mean that these women are not strong, intelligent... they don't even mean they are not feminist. I think sometimes we, as feminist women, need to lay off the judgment.

I think that... there is something threatening about a strong, independent woman who doesn't censor herself to please a man. But at the same time there is something to be said about fearing to be soft... for fear that you won't be respected as a woman. There needs to be balance.

I think Lois is learning (and has been for a few seasons now) to let down her walls and be vulnerable and soft around Clark.

[Kalista]

I would say that if someone deeply hated this character, then there may be something going on inside of them. The same goes for hating the characters of Lana and Chloe.


Well, even a trained mental health professional has to evaluate a person before making a diagnosis. So I don't see how one can make snap judgments about a person's mental state based on their posts in an anonymous forum for a fictional television show.

I think that veers into the territory of analyzing posters.

I think this lois is annoying for very specific reasons that have nothing to do with me personally.;)

[stenochick]

Well, even a trained mental health professional has to evaluate a person before making a diagnosis. So I don't see how one can make snap judgments about a person's mental state based on their posts in an anonymous forum for a fictional television show.

I think that veers into the territory of analyzing posters.

I think this lois is annoying for very specific reasons that have nothing to do with me personally.;)

Well, if you read all my posts in this thread, you would know that I wrote the original post before reading anyone's posts here.

All I'm saying is that I don't like Lana at all, but a lot of people do. If it were the writing, nobody would like Lana. So there must be something going on inside of me for me to have such strong feelings towards the fictional character, Lana Lang. I think we all need to just lighten up, here. I'm not saying anyone is deranged. I'm just saying that we all have our preferences based on our life experiences and how we are wired.

[Minela]

Maybe the only way Clark will be able to shut her up is to lay one on her. Maybe they'll be investigating something and break in somewhere and he'll hear a person coming and the only way to shut her up is to close her mouth.

So yeah, for me personally, I need my Lois much much more annoying. :D

But I said that already. :eek:

[abbaspice1]

^^ I have to agree with steno.

I know why I dislike Lana, and I cannot just blame it on the writing. I hate Lana because I see her as WEAK and WUSSY. Any woman who NEEDS a man in her life to feel vindicated usually goes on my 'no time for her' list. (I mean NEEDS as oppose to WANTS).

I also realize that when Chloe became 'sidekick' Chloe, that is when I lost respect for her. Again, a woman putting her needs/career/hopes/dreams on the back-burner because of some guy she thinks she NEEDS. And to top it all off, the guy in question does not even cares about her at the same level.

Lois, however, has none of that. She may want a guy in her life, but she does not put her life/career on hold for him. If he wants her, he has to show it. No putting her desires/feelings/life on the back-burner for him. And I truly admire that in her. She may want someone in her life, but she doesn't NEED him. She is strong and independent.

And sometimes, I wonder if that is a reason some people just out and out HATE her. I wonder if it is something subconscious.

I was raised to believe that women were suppose to be submissive and eager to please their husbands. Of course, I got in trouble as a child because I was female who was intelligent and did not keep her mouth shut. And the more those 'males' tried to make me submissive, the more trouble they had with me. I knew more about the Bible and the denomination (Baptist and Catholic family). I think the final straw for them was when they claimed that Jesus picked 12 males and I replied "Yeah, but the only ones who stuck by him all the way until his death and afterward were the woman." Yeah, I didn't make it through religious training. :lol: And I think subconsciously, I decided to become a minister and ordained (besides having a calling) was in a way to 'flip-off' the males who told me I cannot or should not be a minister.

So I can see why I never like Lana and why I lost respect for Chloe. It was a mix of the writing and my own issues. But as far as HATING (venomously hating) a character like some folks around here do...well that is an issue all to itself.

[Kalista]

I think we all need to just lighten up, here. I'm not saying anyone is deranged. I'm just saying that we all have our preferences based on our life experiences and how we are wired.

Okay, I see what you mean now. Sorry, if I am came off a little too strong.:) I think there is some relevance to what you are saying.

[pizzahead2490]

lois lane is amazing strong willed and yes even a role model. i feel so angry when people say bad things about EDLOIS. why i feel this way? well let me give you a summary of my story.

i use to glance at smallville now and again before lois came on but not really watching the show or really pay any intrest, this was mainly because i coundt relate to any of the charcters and felt a little disdain. i never really followed superman history when he was younger mostly when he was older, so when i saw a show with clark and some girl name lana. i was so confused. because i thought clark was suppose to be with lois. that was another reason why i didnt really follow the show. when i was bored i use to watch it.

it wasnt until s4 that i start to become really fasinated with the show. when the commercial for the new season came on tv with lois lane i was so excited, i told all my brothers and any one who would listen and tell them that lois lane would finally be on smallville. i was 14 years of age then. just started high school. then when i saw that premiere i thought it was so amazing, but... i didnt really understand what was going on so i did reasech about every thing that i didnt really understand.

and over the years its lois lane yes EDLOIS that became the prime person in the show for me, because of the fact that she dont let any guy tell her what to do, she is srtong willed,witty, funny , she gets what she wants and is a high acheiver.
if this is not some one who is a good role model then i dont know what your definiton of being a strong woman is.
lois lane in smallville is my role model and i do not care what any 1 says. and i can firmly say let lois lane be annoying and rude, she is human and from doing my research on the other lois lane in the comics they were the exact same way too.

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i am really sorry for my long post

[LuckyLois]

For me I think it is because I like the way Clark acts around Lois, he has more of a backbone and is a little snarky himself. He was always too mushy around Lana, and Chloe and he have had some good moments. I espcially loved "Blank" when she tells him "you trusted me". I love his moments with Lois because we are all in on the joke, that even though they drive each other crazy sometimes, they will be soulmates. Lois pushes Clark to be more.

[Bane]

I should preface this with the fact that I am a Clois fan when it comes to the movies and I really want to be a Smallville Clois fan, but does Lois have to be so annoying? She is such a know it all. She's always treating Clark like some kid. I just don't see how he can fall for this Lois. She's like his annoying big sister. It's hard to be sold on this relationship and I pretty much blame that on Lois. She sure wasn't like this with Oliver. I just wish they would tone Lois down like 20-notches.


This is how Lois was in TAS, yet no one has a problem with that version. Take her down 20-notches, and she'll be just as worse as Kate Bosworth's version.

[Atomic girl]

My husband has always really liked the Lana character. She made me nausious, to be quite honest.

On the other hand, my husband cannot stand Lois. To him, she is like fingernails on chalkboard (am I dating myself with that reference?) However, I love Lois!

We are both ambivalent about Chloe. There are things we love and things we find annoying.

My theory is this regarding Lana and Lois:
Men really do have an instinctual attraction to the beautiful damsel-in-distress female archetype. Most women are a combination of the three Smallville female archetypes: damsel-in-distress, pretty Lana; intelligent and competant Chloe; and agressive (sexually, physically, psychologically,and emotionally) Lois.

When I was in highschool and college, I was a Lana and had so many suitors. But, as a career woman in my twenties and thirties, I was a Chloe and to a lesser degree, Lois. I had to channel my inner-Lana and bring her back into the forefront in order to get a mate. It totally worked!!!

Obviously, during the courtship, my soon-to-be husband figured out that I was highly intelligent and opinionated and did not need much in the way of rescuing. But, letting myself get needs met by him that I could have easily met by myself, allowed him to fall in love with me.

So, to all you Lois-haters, maybe she is just bringing out something in your own character that you are trying to deny (ladies); or, she brings up feelings of insecurity and inadequacy in you that you are trying to keep suppressed (gentlemen).

Interesting theory, can't say it fits my life, but it's always interesting to see another perspective. Anything (any theory) to help us understand what has happened on this show is appreciated.

[hansioux]

[Mod Edit]

[individuall]

^Wow. I could've gone my ENTIRE life without knowing that....

[Kalista]

For realz..

[stenochick]

Okay, I see what you mean now. Sorry, if I am came off a little too strong.:) I think there is some relevance to what you are saying.

Thanks for taking the time to post that, Kalista. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.

After re-reading it, I am sure my first post came off as judgmental and presumptuous. If you read my second post, it says, "now that I have read everyone's posts, I know I am in for an @$$ whooping." So, I am aware that I wrote something controversial.

I just want readers to know that the goal of my original post was not to pyschoanalyze specific individuals here or to insinuate that they have mental problems because they find Lois annoying. I mean, I would be the one with issues if I really thought that.

So, I do apologize if, through my posts, I was attacking or judging my fellow Ksite posters specifically. That was not my intention and I really don't get my panties in a wad over people using harsh words about the characters of Smallville. Believe me, I have said my share on this site, so I would be a total hypocrite to argue with others. :)

[zorasuperman]

lois wouldnt be lois without being "bossy, stuck up, rude, annoying, " etc.
i mean even clark kent, mild timid reporter "cant stand her"
lol what makes you think the rest of us can

[stenochick]

Because if Lana had been the one to catch Clark with Maxima, she would have ran off and cried and made the situation all about her. IMO she's always been a clingy, self-absorbed girl.

And that self absorption is one of the things that led her to sleeping with Bizarro and not noticing the difference between him and Clark.

Yes, these are a few of the things that make my skin scrawl when Lana is on the screen. But why do I cringe while my husband enjoys another weekly episode of Smallville? Because I run off and cry, I make the situation all about me, I'm clingy, I'm self-absorbed, I'm the little pink princess. I hate that about myself. And it is much easier to hate a fictional character that has another fictional character that I adore wrapped around her little finger, than for me to just accept those negative parts of my personality.



I know why I dislike Lana, and I cannot just blame it on the writing. I hate Lana because I see her as WEAK and WUSSY. Any woman who NEEDS a man in her life to feel vindicated usually goes on my 'no time for her' list. (I mean NEEDS as oppose to WANTS).

I also realize that when Chloe became 'sidekick' Chloe, that is when I lost respect for her. Again, a woman putting her needs/career/hopes/dreams on the back-burner because of some guy she thinks she NEEDS. And to top it all off, the guy in question does not even cares about her at the same level.

Lois, however, has none of that. She may want a guy in her life, but she does not put her life/career on hold for him. If he wants her, he has to show it. No putting her desires/feelings/life on the back-burner for him. And I truly admire that in her. She may want someone in her life, but she doesn't NEED him. She is strong and independent.

So I can see why I never like Lana and why I lost respect for Chloe. It was a mix of the writing and my own issues.

Wow! I appreciate how vulnerable you are. I think we are soul sisters or something. A lot of my baggage about Lana and weakness and all that come from my religious experiences as well.

I was in a singles ministry in a mega church and it was basically a husband pool or wife pool. My best friend, who is Lois Lane to a tee (you can't blame the writers because there are women just like Lois in real life) used to lament that she was incapable of being gentle and submissive like me (and how a good Christian girl is supposed to be in order to find a husband). And I was always wishing I could grow a pair and be bossy like her and stop being such a pathetic people-pleaser.

We are both happily married now. Her husband is real laid back like me, and my husband is a military officer. Go figure. :)

[DontCha]

she fascinates and infuriates Clark Kent all at the same time. Its how its always been in the comics and on this show lol.

Instinct elevator scene was a prime example. He was fascinated("lois??" *smiles* pulls away from Maxima's spell) and irritated by her...("just calm down!!")

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Sexual attraction and chemistry are subjective. Some people think they see it with clois, others disagree.


but its been flat out said on various occasions on the show that he is attracted to her and her to him. So can you blame us for actually seeing it rather than thinking its not there?

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SteveS:
I agree with your interpretation of Lois - I don't like her much at all. I disagree with some of your arguments, such as said shower scene - no need to go into that but...

Well said! I know we may get verbally (textually) ravaged for this but I couldn't agree more!


you actually believe Lois' "even on a good day we're barely friends" line after the scenes in

Siren:
where they have a deep meaningful hug and she says "why settle for hot rich and famous when i can hang out with you",

Apocalypse:
Where we see an AU Lois fall in love with the stranger Clark Kent then in the real world, it begins, you see the exact moment she falls in love/sees him differently and then she realizes and tries desperately to hide it..

Arctic:
where Lana leaves, Lois enters and runs into Clark's cowering arms. She was in tears, he was in tears, the hug lasted as the words "your perfect" echo until fade out.

Odyssey:
Where she's so hit by seeing Clark again she actually breaks out of character. And they get into trouble, we see she's secretly thrilled that Clark will be working with her.

Plastique:
where IMO after watching the scene rather than the trailer version, she didn't fall but jumped into Clark's arms for protection after the blast, Clark notices this rather than the explosion at first. She has a longing look on her face as Clark walks off to talk to Tess, She's jealous of tess. At the end she encourages Clark, gazing down at him and winks.

Toxic:
Clark comforts her. They talk about their previous relationships..dunno about anyone else but I got a flashback to martha saying you go through the bad ones till you find the best one.

Instinct:
If this didnt make it obvious then nothing will, I mean come on, when she sees clark with another woman, she's shocked, hurt, jealous, angry, in denial and finally we see acceptance which was rather obvious in the last scene..look at the way she's looking at him, she wants his soul mate to be her,, she cant hide it. But funnily enough clark cant seem to see it on her face He's just "too blind to see it" in his own words. ..

perhaps the lie detector test in Commited will put things to rest once and for all where you will actually hear the truth and the facts from her lips. And his



Isn't it rather obvious? She's in denial when she says this line, she's not convincing Maxima she's trying to convince herself. Plain and simple she knows she has feelings for him. She knows she sees him as more than a friend. In the end, she doesn't bite back at Maxima, she's silent when she says "I know you felt it when you saw us in that elevator" her silence says everything.

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Right, a pheromone can't come through a screen and a thinking guy would use and lose this lois, especially after coming to know her. So yes, whatever appeal this lois has for people is lost on me.

This lois has no layers nor depth of character, she is very little changed from the video game player observing Chloe working at the Daily Planet, except that 'they' lightswitched her (lois) into a career as opposed to her earned status as a college expulsee. But hey, be of good cheer, 'they' are not showing her continued stupidities this year, so yes, lois could be more annoying.

Oh yeah, the eyes being the window to the soul, lois' eyes are usually doe-eyed and blank. And Lois Lane has existed on-screen since long before Margot Kidder appeared in Superman-the movie.

Iconic Lois famously hides her true feelings..Thats all that SV's Lois is doing, you see the depth come out on various occasions mainly when she talks to Clark or when no one is looking....or when she she thinks no one is looking. For example when Wes died, and Clark saw her cowering over his dead body, he's never seen Lois' walls break down like that or cry or act like that up until this point and he cant help but just secretly watch her.

[zorasuperman]

she fascinates and infuriates Clark Kent all at the same time. Its how its always been in the comics and on this show lol.

Instinct elevator scene was a prime example. He was fascinated("lois??" *smiles* pulls away from Maxima's spell) and irritated by her...("just calm down!!")

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but its been flat out said on various occasions on the show that he is attracted to her and her to him. So can you blame us for actually seeing it rather than thinking its not there?

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you actually believe Lois' "even on a good day we're barely friends" line after the scenes in

Siren:
where they have a deep meaningful hug and she says "why settle for hot rich and famous when i can hang out with you",

Apocalypse:
Where we see an AU Lois fall in love with the stranger Clark Kent then in the real world, it begins, you see the exact moment she falls in love/sees him differently and then she realizes and tries desperately to hide it..

Arctic:
where Lana leaves, Lois enters and runs into Clark's cowering arms. She was in tears, he was in tears, the hug lasted as the words "your perfect" echo until fade out.

Odyssey:
Where she's so hit by seeing Clark again she actually breaks out of character. And they get into trouble, we see she's secretly thrilled that Clark will be working with her.

Plastique:
where IMO after watching the scene rather than the trailer version, she didn't fall but jumped into Clark's arms for protection after the blast, Clark notices this rather than the explosion at first. She has a longing look on her face as Clark walks off to talk to Tess, She's jealous of tess. At the end she encourages Clark, gazing down at him and winks.

Toxic:
Clark comforts her. They talk about their previous relationships..dunno about anyone else but I got a flashback to martha saying you go through the bad ones till you find the best one.

Instinct:
If this didnt make it obvious then nothing will, I mean come on, when she sees clark with another woman, she's shocked, hurt, jealous, angry, in denial and finally we see acceptance which was rather obvious in the last scene..look at the way she's looking at him, she wants his soul mate to be her,, she cant hide it. But funnily enough clark cant seem to see it on her face He's just "too blind to see it" in his own words. ..

perhaps the lie detector test in Commited will put things to rest once and for all where you will actually hear the truth and the facts from her lips. And his



Isn't it rather obvious? She's in denial when she says this line, she's not convincing Maxima she's trying to convince herself. Plain and simple she knows she has feelings for him. She knows she sees him as more than a friend. In the end, she doesn't bite back at Maxima, she's silent when she says "I know you felt it when you saw us in that elevator" her silence says everything.

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Iconic Lois famously hides her true feelings..Thats all that SV's Lois is doing, you see the depth come out on various occasions mainly when she talks to Clark or when no one is looking....or when she she thinks no one is looking. For example when Wes died, and Clark saw her cowering over his dead body, he's never seen Lois' walls break down like that or cry or act like that up until this point and he cant help but just secretly watch her.

lol amen ITA thank you and esp for your pointers on which episode clark and lois have feelings for each other
and if the commited one doesnt convince viewers that clark and lois are a item then i dont know wat will i guess it has to be put straight out word for word
Do you love this man?
..........

[Mars Investigations]

I think the problem is that people expect Clois is to be nice and fluffy after seven seasons of Clana.

Lois is more "wild cherry", as she said.

[Humdinger]

Could Lois be more annoying? Yeah, I think so, but I like her. I like her brash, ballsy way of getting into the middle of everything; she takes her chances and does her thing. And she takes her lumps when they're dished out.

I like the interaction with Clark, and I'd like to see a lot more of it. I don't care if the story follows the mythos or not, (like Smallville has been true to that for the last seven,) I'd like to see them as a pair, and as more than "friends," or work buddies, etc. I like the jokes, jabs, banter, looks; it all comes into play in the start of a relationship, especially one that hasn't been acknowledged yet.

When Lois was introduced into the series, I really didn't care for her character at all. But I've grown to like her and I hope they actually do the right thing by her, and Clark, in the rest of the season.

[Jaderoyale]

I love the fact that Lois can be "annoying".
Thats what makes her Lois, and i wouldn't have her changed for the world.

[Clana4Life]

Wow, Stenochick, interesting post. Of course, I'm in the boat with your husband. I always liked Lana. I think it's possible to like both Lana and Lois and even Chloe for that matter. I agree with you in that the "Lana-personality" would attract more suitors than the "Lois personality." She does come off as not needing anyone or any help and to me that is a bit obnoxious. No man (or woman) is an island. One of my biggest complaints has been the disparity in the way Lois treated Oliver/Aquaman/Lex's brother (can't remember his name) and Clark. Cannon and mythos aside, I understand that Clark is a friend (aren't those the best guys to date?), and I understand that he and Lana did not work out, but realistically, why in the world would Lois be so afraid of falling for him? Oliver's love history is far worse. If anything, she can at least see the Clark is a guy who doesn't give up easy. At least she knows he'll try in the relationship. He won't throw in the towel. So I don't really understand her behavior of "being scared to fall for Clark" of all guys. She doesn't know that he's a superhero, so the theory of not being able to be with the "hero type" cannot be the answer. Clark's a regular guy. And it is her behavior toward him which makes her annoying. Honestly, the whole "I hit you, I pull your ponytails, I constantly come off as a 'know it all, bossy rude female' because I like you" is something one expects in elementary school and maybe middle school. But they are adults. I'd hate to accuse Lois of arrested development. I like her. I like her more when she's not over the top annoying, bossy, and rude. "Over the top" being the key word. I can take normal annoying Lois. And being such a huge Superman Clois (Reeve/Kidder) fan, I very much want to root for SV Clark/Lois. I just want to say, "Lighten up just a bit Lois, so that the guy can see what a great catch you are." Don't be all thorns, because you distract from the rose petals.

Anyway Stenochick, this entire post wasn't specifically directed to you -- but this part is.. Get your husband to become a member on Kryptonsite, too. After your description of your conversations, I'd be interested in reading his posts, too.

[stenochick]

^^^I think the reason Lois is so obnoxious with Clark and not with Ollie, AC, or Grant is that those men pursued her. They made their intentions known to her and made the first move. Clark has not ever made any moves on Lois (while himself, not on RedK or anything else) and has never made any moves on Chloe since the season 1 dance formal. For him, it's only been Lana, and his brief encounter with Alicia.

Maybe that is what drives her so crazy about Clark. Anyone else she has had that kind of sexual chemistry with has ended up asking her out and dating her, or at least majorly hitting on her.

Clark must just drive Lois crazy with all that sexual tension and confusion. She is probably like, "oh my gosh, this guy is driving me crazy. Why won't he just make a move? It must be me. I must be imagining things. I must be totally repellent to him. What's wrong with me? Denial. Aggression. Throw myself in my work. Tease him mercilessly. Drive him nuts. Must take up kick-boxing to unleash all this pent-up hostility and anger..."