Did Jimmy cheat on Chloe?

[Jory]

We saw the bartender tell Jimmy to show the girl that there are more foxes in the fox hole. Jimmy then smiled and seemed interested in Maxima. He then dirty dances with her (his comments about her moves being illegal), and then tells her how "hot" she is. He does say that he loves another woman right before he and Maxima were to kiss. Maxima respondes by saying that "one kiss will change your mind." Jimmy then--willingly--kisses Maxima. His conversation with the bartender made it apparent that he was willing to "interact" with another woman, his dirty dancing with Maxima, then after intially hesitaing to kiss her he willingly kisses Maxima.

Do you think Jimmy cheated on Maxima?

[lovinredkclark]

nope it was just a kiss.

[Smallville6]

no, and he was hardley in control of any of it.

[Liquid-Prince]

We saw the bartender tell Jimmy to show the girl that there's more foxes in the fox hole. Jimmy then smiled and seemed interested in Maxima. He then dirty dances with her (his comments about her moves being illegal), and then tells her how "hot" she is. He does say that he loves another woman right before he and Maxima were to kiss. Maxima respondes by saying that "one kiss will change his mind." Jimmy then--willingly--kisses Maxima. His conversation with the bartender made it apparent that he was willing to "interact" with another woman, his dirty dancing with Maxima, then after intially hesitaing to kiss her he willingly kisses Maxima.

Do you think Jimmy cheated on Maxima?

Nope. You can't control yourself with Maxima. She get's your pheromone levels to high.

[Minamostaza]

Ok, it was a kiss, Chloe can do the same with Davis then.

[AndiGirl]

I dont know...I'm torn.
IF they had just kissed right away...and it was obvious Jimmy wasnt in control, I would have immediately said "no...it wasnt his fault at all."

But the fact that he pulled back before she kissed him.....and said no...he loved Chloe. Then proceeded with the kiss any way.

I dont know if it's cheating, but I was disappointed in him. :\

[Randy G.]

Jimmy stopped himself, and announced his love for Chloe.
Maxima used her power of super pheromones to control him after that.
So, NO he didn't cheat.

Chloe doing it would be a totally different matter, if she was acting of her own free will.

[Meteror Freak]

Jimmy refused first but then let her kiss him. She didn't have control over him until AFTER she kissed him. I wouldn't say he cheated, but I wouldn't say he was completely in the green, either.

[Minela]

No. He said after he saw her at the bar the rest was a blur. That means she exuded her pheromones before the kiss. If anything Jimmy should get a medal for resisting the first time. Go Jimmy! :D

[Liquid-Prince]

Jimmy refused first but then let her kiss him. She didn't have control over him until AFTER she kissed him. I wouldn't say he cheated, but I wouldn't say he was completely in the green, either.

How could you not let her kiss you? Anyways he felt guilty afterward which is important.

[Darth Pipes]

He cheated but he cheated last season too. The moment he saw Kara, he wanted to hook up with her despite the fact that he was going out with Chloe. Then when Kara lost her memory, he lost interest and went back to Chloe, who stupidly took him back. Jimmy is a weasel.

[Randy G.]

Yeah, he learned his lesson. Strange can put you in the hospital.
I bet he certainly won't be doing that again. :lol:

[Jill]

He cheated but he cheated last season too. The moment he saw Kara, he wanted to hook up with her despite the fact that he was going out with Chloe. Then when Kara lost her memory, he lost interest and went back to Chloe, who stupidly took him back. Jimmy is a weasel.

ITA :)

[Clana4Life]

Maxima doesn't make you kiss her the first time. Jimmy kissed her on his own the first time. So if you count "kissing" as cheating, then he did cheat. Personally as a girlfriend, I would not be okay with my boyfriend kissing another woman. As far as it being a blur after the bar, I think that's due to the heart attack. After something that traumatic, people don't always remember what happened right before - same thing with a car accident. With the first guy he kissed her and then he felt the rush - same with Jimmy and Clark, but Jimmy did kiss her of his on volition. Not cool, Jimmy. Not cool.

[Jory]

Jimmy stopped himself, and announced his love for Chloe.
Maxima used her power of super pheromones to control him after that.
So, NO he didn't cheat.

Chloe doing it would be a totally different matter, if she was acting of her own free will.

He was able to stop himself,and wilingly kissed Maxima. Her power didn't affect the men until after they kiss. Jimmy was very much into Maxima (dirty dancing with her, and saying how "hot" she was),before he even kissed her.

Clark wasn't under her control until after she kissed him.

[AndiGirl]

No. He said after he saw her at the bar the rest was a blur. That means she exuded her pheromones before the kiss. If anything Jimmy should get a medal for resisting the first time. Go Jimmy! :D

I think part of it being a blur was the fact that he was drunk...:p

[silverdragon]

he didn't intentionally cheat on chloe...i agree it was after maxima kissed him...

[psyko69]

There is a grey area just so we can fight about it.

Depending on your personal feelings, how you ship, and whatnot, the answer will change.

Its pointless to argue.

[AndiGirl]

He was able to stop himself,and wilingy kissed Maxima. Her power didn't affect the men until after they kiss. Jimmy was very much into Maxima (dirty dancing with her, and saying how "hot" she was),before he even kissed her.

Clark wasn't under her control until after she kissed him.

I know...its an incredibly crappy excuse. But I think Jimmy was pretty drunk by that point...and he was hurt that once again he got another reminder that chloe will never feel for him the way she felt for Clark. Even if she doesnt have those feelings for clark anymore....what she feels for Jimmy still doesnt even come close. Which is why jimmy said "why havent you ever said anything like this to me?"

So he went out...and had to prove...like the stupid bartender said..thats theres "Other foxes in the chicken coop" or something weird like that.

It's not an excuse...and he messed up royally. But all things considering....it could have been a lot worse. Maxima found him at a very weak moment.

[oqllcksmallville]

I dont know...I'm torn.
IF they had just kissed right away...and it was obvious Jimmy wasnt in control, I would have immediately said "no...it wasnt his fault at all."

But the fact that he pulled back before she kissed him.....and said no...he loved Chloe. Then proceeded with the kiss any way.

I dont know if it's cheating, but I was disappointed in him. :\
AndiGirl , you are like being the other half of me today . = )
im loving it though . ; )
makes it easier for me . L0L . = )
.. I'm TORN . ( U )
i dont know what's up , but i was really dissappointed in him .

[Cage]

Yes - it's what we do lol

[AndiGirl]

AndiGirl , you are like being the other half of me today . = )
im loving it though . ; )
makes it easier for me . L0L . = )
.. I'm TORN . ( U )
i dont know what's up , but i was really dissappointed in him .

Must be the "great minds" mentality!! ;)

[Ginx]

I'm not sure. Ok so Jimmy pulled away and mentioned Chloe, sure Maxima has some powers to control men's 'needs' it would seem but I don't think that is enough for me to excuse Jimmy. Clark was able to pull away, sure he's 'special' but I think it had more to do with a mindset that it 'bothered' him that he hurt Lois (based on her reaction)

I personally think if Jimmy really loved Chloe without any doubt he'd have been able to pull away and stay away from Maxima. I think he's in love with the Chloe from a while back and Chloe is hanging onto him for 'normal' but in the end they just aren't going to click much longer....

[MAR-MAR]

I know Jimmy was hurting after finding the letter but come on. It wasn't just the kiss with Maxima, he thought of doing something before he ever turned around. After the bartender to told him to basically show Chloe she isn't the only one Jimmy was ready for someone else. I think he would of hit on any girl he saw when he turned around. He chased Kara and checked her out with Chloe right next to him so wake up. Jimmy and Chloe both deserve better. Jimmy needs someone who can share everything with him, someone who can write him a "fever letter". And Chloe deserves someone who will save her and show her she is the most important girl in the world without checking out other women. Jimmy and Chloe are just not right together.

[AndiGirl]

I'm not sure. Ok so Jimmy pulled away and mentioned Chloe, sure Maxima has some powers to control men's 'needs' it would seem but I don't think that is enough for me to excuse Jimmy. Clark was able to pull away, sure he's 'special' but I think it had more to do with a mindset that it 'bothered' him that he hurt Lois (based on her reaction)

I personally think if Jimmy really loved Chloe without any doubt he'd have been able to pull away and stay away from Maxima. I think he's in love with the Chloe from a while back and Chloe is hanging onto him for 'normal' but in the end they just aren't going to click much longer....

Thats a good point...because Clark and Lois arent technically in love yet, and he was able to pull away when he saw Lois. So that doesnt look good for Chimmy. :\

[Karafan1]

Well it was just a kiss, but if it went a little farther he would be cheating..

[AndiGirl]

Well it was just a kiss, but if it went a little farther he would be cheating..

I dont think I understand the logic that a kiss isnt cheating?? :\:eek:
If my boyfriend kissed another girl...it would be over. Plain and simple.....
I mean, I can sympathize with Jimmys situation...it wasnt the "norm." but normally....you kiss someone else, its cheating. IMO.

[Minamostaza]

I dont think I understand the logic that a kiss isnt cheating?? :\:eek:
If my boyfriend kissed another girl...it would be over. Plain and simple.....
I mean, I can sympathize with Jimmys situation...it wasnt the "norm." but normally....you kiss someone else, its cheating. IMO.

Agree with you Andi!

[kris10]

maxima doesnt have control until she kisses you thats how she gets the phermones in your system so yes jimmy did willing kiss her....cheater. she forced herself on clark he didnt want to kiss her and when she grabbed him and planted one thats when he got all into it..

[Liquid-Prince]

maxima doesnt have control until she kisses you thats how she gets the phermones in your system so yes jimmy did willing kiss her....cheater. she forced herself on clark he didnt want to kiss her and when she grabbed him and planted one thats when he got all into it..

Just her breathing close to you should affect your pheromone levels.

[Clana4Life]

I dont think I understand the logic that a kiss isnt cheating?? :\:eek:
If my boyfriend kissed another girl...it would be over. Plain and simple.....
I mean, I can sympathize with Jimmys situation...it wasnt the "norm." but normally....you kiss someone else, its cheating. IMO.

Just like that huh? Kiss another girl and it's over? No second chances?

[thebog1]

My non-official, totally-opinionated response:

Absolutely. Yes, Jimmy Olsen cheated on Chloe Sullivan. Wait... just wait. Let me at least attempt to explain my way of thinking/reasoning:

Dancing - Mm. Ok, they're dancing, possibly dirty dancing, before Maxima even attempts to kiss Jimmy. I don't know about any of the females in this Forum Community but I do know that most of the women I know in-person in the real world would certainly have an issue with their man dancing 'dirty' with another female. I also know that mosy guys, myself included, would feel that it'd be wrong. The only person a guy ought to want to 'dirty' dance with is the person he loves and cares about.
Hesitation And Then Continuance: He hesitated. Ok, so we know Jimmy Olsen clearly thought about Chloe Sullivan in that moment. However, he still choose to kiss Maxima anyways.
Pheremones - This is an excuse and justification. Pheremones may encourage certain behaviors or attitudes but it still doesn't force someone to kiss another person. A person can still say no. They still have the choice. It may be hard and it may an unfair choice but it's still a choice none-the-less and if Jimmy Olsen cared that much about Chloe, he would have made the right choice.


Anyways, that's my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right and it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Everyone has their own lines that they draw for what would constitute cheating.

[myankskent]

I don't think that Jimmy cheated. Or let me put it this way, he didn't do anything that Chloe didn't do with Davis. If I recall, she and Davis got pretty close a couple of times already. As for the kiss, Maxima clearly kissed Jimmy and once that happened, it was game over for him. I also think that Maxima has the power to seduce men, which Jimmy was able to fight off prior to the kiss, but that's JMO.

[AndiGirl]

Just like that huh? Kiss another girl and it's over? No second chances?

Yep...thats basically it. My boyfriend knows I have a zero tolerance policy for cheating. (Wow...I sound like some scary country or something. :lol:). But it's true. I dont care if it was " a moment of weakness" or whatever. If I'm in a relationship and I trust my partner to be honest with me and respect me....and most importantly...love me. Then cheating basically crushes all of that. Once the trust is gone...there's no way to get it back...and cheating, there's just no way to forget that. To me any way.

But....back to the point, I know Jimmy's situation wasnt the typical...but if he had just kissed some random girl who wasnt an alien...it would be cheating...and If it was me...it would be over in a heart beat. I've always told my boyfriend...if you ever think we're over...just tell me. Be man enough to atleast do that....but dont cheat on me. It's just about the worst betrayl a woman can feel. :\

[BadToad]

Yeah, in a way, I think he did to a point. He did stop himself, and it was Maxima that forced the kiss. But going to the bar, drinking, agreeing with the bartender about showing his girlfriend that she's not the only one out there, dancing with Maxima (which Jimmy described in such a way as to make it clear it was more then dancing)....yeah, I think Jimmy acted like a dirtbag in this episode.

And he's such a whiney b*tch. Chloe deserves better. If this is "perfect" for Chloe, then she needs to expand her horizons even more then Clark does.

[Vergon6]

Just her breathing close to you should affect your pheromone levels.
I agree. It's like Desiree from "Heat" except she could affect Clark. It's like Desiree times 100, no Desiree times 1000, no Desiree times 2356. I don't even know what that is ;).

[kris10]

Just her breathing close to you should affect your pheromone levels.

ok but i thought that he got close and then pulled away and said i am in love with someone else? or am I having another brain wipe...could be:D

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My non-official, totally-opinionated response:

Absolutely. Yes, Jimmy Olsen cheated on Chloe Sullivan. Wait... just wait. Let me at least attempt to explain my way of thinking/reasoning:

Dancing - Mm. Ok, they're dancing, possibly dirty dancing, before Maxima even attempts to kiss Jimmy. I don't know about any of the females in this Forum Community but I do know that most of the women I know in-person in the real world would certainly have an issue with their man dancing 'dirty' with another female. I also know that mosy guys, myself included, would feel that it'd be wrong. The only person a guy ought to want to 'dirty' dance with is the person he loves and cares about.
Hesitation And Then Continuance: He hesitated. Ok, so we know Jimmy Olsen clearly thought about Chloe Sullivan in that moment. However, he still choose to kiss Maxima anyways.
Pheremones - This is an excuse and justification. Pheremones may encourage certain behaviors or attitudes but it still doesn't force someone to kiss another person. A person can still say no. They still have the choice. It may be hard and it may an unfair choice but it's still a choice none-the-less and if Jimmy Olsen cared that much about Chloe, he would have made the right choice.


Anyways, that's my opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right and it doesn't mean I'm wrong. Everyone has their own lines that they draw for what would constitute cheating.

ITA!

[dimeo782002]

yes he cheated cause he is a terd. allhe has shown me is that he is weak and evert=ytime chlkoe dissapoints him he leaves or crys or goes with other women . first kara and now maxima ! i hope they really don't stay together . chloe deserves better than clark and jimmy ! clark is too blind and jimmy is too whiny ! ugh im done shipping i don't care anymore.:(

sorry about the spelling my son spilt juice on my keyboard a few weeks ago and i still have not gotten a new one lol !

[Minamostaza]

chloe deserves better than clark and jimmy ! clark is too blind and jimmy is too whiny ! ugh im done shipping i don't care anymore.:(


Amen!

You just took the words out of my mouth....That's why Chloe should be with Davis(NOT Doomsday!) If the producers could find a way to separate Davis from Doomsday it would be totally awesome, that way Chloe can be with Davis.

[kris10]

amen dimeo and now i have new name for jimmy-Turd....hmmmmmm just kidding...uhhh ok not.

[Clarkfalls4Chloe]

Jimmy cheated. He failed. They are ENGAGED! that's a big NO NO, and I could see it in Clark's eyes at the hospital that he wasn't too happy about that...no one messes with his girl...I'm glad he cheated...do you really think Chlark would be over in one scene...Clark's gonna go home and think about this letter...keep the faith Chlarkers! Never give up hope in our dream!!

[Karafan1]

I dont think I understand the logic that a kiss isnt cheating?? :\:eek:
If my boyfriend kissed another girl...it would be over. Plain and simple.....
I mean, I can sympathize with Jimmys situation...it wasnt the "norm." but normally....you kiss someone else, its cheating. IMO.


Well I guess you could call it special circumstances since her kiss raises all those hormone levels to extreme heights and that doesn't happen with humans..

[krpto]

if he would have started the kiss I would have said yes but maxima kissed him first then used her mind powers to make him kiss her back jimmy clearly stated to clark that he didn't remember anything after she aproached him at the bar and even then he still told her he was in love with chloe who he thought still had feelings for clark. honestly jimmy was alot better then most men would be in that situation.

[RedKRules]

People were complaining that Chloe was acting like she didn´t have a fiancee around Davis and now they say Jimmy didn´t cheat on her ...... hehehe of course he did, he was getting drunk over a 6 years old letter ... and just because of that he thought it would might be cool if he had some action too!

[kris10]

exactly who gets upset over a letter that was written in s2 he was insecure before and that just amplified i would have been more harsh than she was like GET OVER IT! so he goes and main lines tequila and then the bartender telling him he needs to make her thing shes not the only fox out there. whhhaaaaaa keep crying now we have to go through it again in committed the description says that chloe explains her feelings for clark OMFG let it go.....sorry ranting.....

[Minamostaza]

People were complaining that Chloe was acting like she didn´t have a fiancee around Davis and now they say Jimmy didn´t cheat on her ...... hehehe of course he did, he was getting drunk over a 6 years old letter ... and just because of that he thought it would might be cool if he had some action too!

You're so right Kelly, some people were saying that Chloe was acting like she wasn't engaged when Davis showed up, but now that Jimmy kissed Maxima he's not guilty, I mean, sure, Maxima has her control powers that controled Jimmy after she kisses him, but Jimmy let her kiss him at first. And when the guy from the bar told him "you should let her know she isn't the only folk in the forest" he said "you're soooo right". Ok he was drunk but he was looking for revenge after he read Chloe's letter(that was wrote about 6 YEARS AGO) Both of them should be honest with each other if they want a happy life together.

[you_smell_terrific]

[Mod Edit]

[Billy Jor-El]

Damn, Bill Clinton should be reading this thread......

[Minamostaza]

Damn, Bill Clinton should be reading this thread......

:lol: Agree

[dimeo782002]

Amen!

You just took the words out of my mouth....That's why Chloe should be with Davis(NOT Doomsday!) If the producers could find a way to separate Davis from Doomsday it would be totally awesome, that way Chloe can be with Davis.

it would be cool ,but im sure ps3 will continue to pee on me ...hey that rhymes lol ! and so the dementia from tonights episode takes over .

lol ! yes i could live with that if davis was not dommsday

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Jimmy cheated. He failed. They are ENGAGED! that's a big NO NO, and I could see it in Clark's eyes at the hospital that he wasn't too happy about that...no one messes with his girl...I'm glad he cheated...do you really think Chlark would be over in one scene...Clark's gonna go home and think about this letter...keep the faith Chlarkers! Never give up hope in our dream!!

i love your avatar where can i get acopy ? can i get one please ?:)

[krpto]

the way I saw it was that jimmy stopped said I'm in love with another woman (meaning at least in man language this cannot go anywhere we can be friends but I cannot cheat on her even if im mad because she hid her feelings for the man she is always taking off with) maxima said one kiss and I'll prove to you your mine the she grabs him kisses him and then her mind control takes over and he kisses her back.

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Yes jimmy put himself in a position for maxima to kiss him and take control but its nothing worse then what chloe was doing with davis last week before she told him she was engaged so I say niether of them cheated though they both came pretty close to cheating.

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that said if he had cheated I would say chloe should go mrs. bobbit on him and cut of his uh not the mrs. clinton stand by your man crap.

[Clana4Life]

Yep...thats basically it. My boyfriend knows I have a zero tolerance policy for cheating. (Wow...I sound like some scary country or something. :lol:). But it's true. I dont care if it was " a moment of weakness" or whatever. If I'm in a relationship and I trust my partner to be honest with me and respect me....and most importantly...love me. Then cheating basically crushes all of that. Once the trust is gone...there's no way to get it back...and cheating, there's just no way to forget that. To me any way.

But....back to the point, I know Jimmy's situation wasnt the typical...but if he had just kissed some random girl who wasnt an alien...it would be cheating...and If it was me...it would be over in a heart beat. I've always told my boyfriend...if you ever think we're over...just tell me. Be man enough to atleast do that....but dont cheat on me. It's just about the worst betrayl a woman can feel. :\

I think this is a general rule. No one wants to be cheated on, but sometimes two people value the relationship enough to give it another try. I think Chimmy are like that. It would be terrible for anyone - guy or girl to kiss someone who is not their significant other, but things happen, people get in fights and sometimes unsavory individuals take advantage of vulnerable people and a kiss transpires. I hope I don't sound like an advocate for cheaters; I'm not. It's just that things are rarely so black and white and if you've been in a relationship with someone for a long time, breaking up isn't always easy to do. So sometimes rules change. Just think if you were married - would the marriage be over in a heartbeat? What if kids were involved? I'm glad Chloe didn't make a big deal out of it. I think it would have been a shame if she had called off her engagement. Don't get me wrong - what Jimmy did wasn't right, but again he was in a vulnerable state thinking that his gf was in love with her bff.

[ginnyfan]

I was really sad about Jimmy and Maxima. I was sad most of the episode because of it. I really needed to hear what Chloe said at the end. I'm glad that Jimmy broke free of her spell for a moment to say he loved Chloe. But... yeah... I wish they could have explored the buried angst of Chimmy without the Jimmy/Maxima kiss.

I don't think Clark was lying when he said it was out of Jimmy's control. I think Jimmy was really sorry in the hospital scene with Clark... but still. Makes me sad. :(

There's no question that Jimmy loves Chloe and that she's number one for him. I think that's one reason the "Fever Letter" was so devastating to him. I think Chloe is his first love.

[amberdawn]

Well, Chloe didn't seem to think so.

[Kalista]

Let's face it, Jimmy took Chloe's virginity and then ditched her. He never called. And then years later they reconnect at the DP and hook up again. But then he sees Kara (who he seems to think is prettier) and ditches Chloe for her. And when that doesn't work out he comes crawling back to Chloe.

That's why I find it infuriating when people talk about how great Jimmy is for Chloe.

[ginnyfan]

I think the fact that Jimmy's response to the fever letter was to get drunk and make Chloe jealous reveals immaturity. I greatly dislike it. But... I do think Jimmy truly loves Chloe. I don't think he kissed Maxima. She kissed him. He ALMOST kissed her but couldn't because of Chloe. I know there are those who never gave Jimmy a chance because he "didn't call Chloe back" but honestly, I think Chloe's reaction to Jimmy would have been a lot different if he was as lousy as some say. Just my opinion. I won't belabor it.

But I disliked Jimmy/Maxima in the episode. And I was torn until the very end when Chloe said what she said about it.

[smallvillerocks45]

I'd say that Jimmy did cheat a bit emotionally, but once he and Maxima kissed, his behavior was out of his control. Had it been any other girl, I don't think Jimmy would have gone that far - and I mean, once he pulled away from the kiss, he would not have been swayed. Maxima just has the magic touch, I guess... and Clark really is her biggest challenge. I bet his "feelings" for Lois makes her want Clark even more.

[Kalista]

We are not talking about a guy who didn't call a girl back after dinner and a movie. He took her virginity and never called her back! And then was eyeing Kara while he was with Chloe. The issue with her virginity alone is enough to demonstrate his unworthiness. He's just an all around jerk when it comes to Chloe. He can't lie to Chloe's cousin but he has no problem selling Chloe out to the DDS aka 33.1.

So, I don't think he is worthy of her by any stretch of the imagination.

[ginnyfan]

I'll agree to disagree with you Kalista.

I look at Chloe's facial expression in "Zod" and I do not see disgust. I see surprise and amusement. That's not a response I'd expect to see for a guy who took her virginity and dumped her.

I agree that it would be nice to know the details but... *sigh *

I should have just stayed away from this thread. Vent on Jimmy all you like.

[Kalista]

Well, it is no surprise that Chloe has her insecurities and self esteem issues. I think that plays a major role in their relationship. And even though she didn't seem disgusted when Jimmy made an appearance there is no doubt in my mind that she was hurt by his actions. Just because she may have forgiven him and was willing to explore their relationship doesn't mean that she should have or that his is right for her.

[Atomic girl]

You know Jimmy was angry and purposely put himself in a position where cheating would be easy. I'd be furious with my husband if he went to a bar started drinking and dirty danced (or any danced) with anyone. That's flirting with the fire, and you will get burned. Conversely he would be furious if I did the same. Now does that mean I would never forgive him, and not try to work it out, no, we have been married a long time and we do have kids, but I would make my displeasure known and tell him I expected him to "protect" our marriage better. Now if this happened while I was engaged or dating, it would be over. If I can't trust a guy to think of me first and foremost while I'm still looking my best and our relationship is "great", then what will I expect later in life after I look like I've had a few kids, and the tough times come?

Engagement is a commitment to the other person, that there is no one else that is more important. That's not what Jimmy (IMO) demonstrated tonight. I do think Chloe deserves better. That doesn't mean Clark necessarily, but some strong character that really gets her, and who she is.

[Kalista]

If I can't trust a guy to think of me first and foremost while I'm still looking my best and our relationship is "great", then what will I expect later in life after I look like I've had a few kids, and the tough times come?


That's one of the problems with Jimmy. I don't think he can handle the tough times. When they started having difficulties, Jimmy's knee jerk response was to break up. He just has too many strikes against him, IMHO.

[Atomic girl]

That's one of the problems with Jimmy. I don't think he can handle the tough times. When they started having difficulties, Jimmy's knee jerk response was to break up. He just has too many strikes against him, IMHO.I hear you!

[wolverine316]

This episode was another example of the immaturity of Jimmy. When he saw Maxima he had designs of sleeping with her before the kiss. Surprised he remembered his fiance. As other people have mentioned when Davis is around Chloe, Jimmy doesn't exist in her eyes. They deserve each other.

[shamville]

can't wait jimmy meet davis.

[Fallen One]

Its not cheating if you don't get caught.

[migo]

How many women do you know that go after someone when they profess love for someone else? I had a girl going after me at a club when I had a girlfriend. I kept my distance (no hip grinding or groping) and she didn't push any further, although she did repeatedly try to talk me into it. Jimmy was with a sex goddess who doesn't give a rat's ass about the lives of the guys she's kissing, let alone their desires. Completely different situation. Chloe's a bit cheesed, but she knows he was dealing with an alien who had already won the battle of the sexes - can't really fault someone for falling for that. Hell, he did better than Clark did about Lana when he was on Red K.

[AndiGirl]

You know Jimmy was angry and purposely put himself in a position where cheating would be easy. I'd be furious with my husband if he went to a bar started drinking and dirty danced (or any danced) with anyone. That's flirting with the fire, and you will get burned. Conversely he would be furious if I did the same. Now does that mean I would never forgive him, and not try to work it out, no, we have been married a long time and we do have kids, but I would make my displeasure known and tell him I expected him to "protect" our marriage better. Now if this happened while I was engaged or dating, it would be over. If I can't trust a guy to think of me first and foremost while I'm still looking my best and our relationship is "great", then what will I expect later in life after I look like I've had a few kids, and the tough times come?

Engagement is a commitment to the other person, that there is no one else that is more important. That's not what Jimmy (IMO) demonstrated tonight. I do think Chloe deserves better. That doesn't mean Clark necessarily, but some strong character that really gets her, and who she is.


I completely agree. Jimmy was upset....and he wanted to get drunk. The bartender was egging him on....and the moron felt the need to prove that "other women still wanted him." He goes....grinds on Maxima for a bit....comes over, almost kisses her THEN remembers he has a fiance....tries to pull back, and maxima goes in for the kill.

The way I look at it....there was a lot of "playing with the fire" before they actually kissed. He made the effort to get up...dance with her, flirt for awhile. All of which happend before she kissed him. I understand....the letter hurt him, but thats no excuse to intentionally go out and seek a woman.

He did look truly sorry at the end...but I think I was more upset with Chloe for letting him off the hook. :\. She should have atleast addressed the issue with him....I'm pretty sure I would have said something along the lines of "So....when we're married, can I expect you to go to the bar, get drunk, and flirt with random girls when we fight....instead of talking to me like an adult about our problems?? Just checking.....I'll make sure to keep Davis around for a little fun if thats the case...." :lol:

Thats always been one of my problems with Chimmy...they dont talk, about anything. Which is just as much Chloes fault. The whole "I dont know what else to say" line is getting old.

They just wont work together...plain and simple. Did Jimmy cheat?? Thats still in question...all I know is I had a huge frown on my face during that scene...and I've never been that disappointed in him.

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Its not cheating if you don't get caught.

But he did get caught? So he cheated? ;)

[costas22]

You know what's funny?Chloe has taken Jimmy back three times and every time he has made a bigger stupidity.She forgave him for never calling.Ok i guess since at that point she was still in love with Clark and a phone call from Jimmy wasn't so important.She took him back last season right after he left her for Kara.And now she takes him back after finding out he was seeking another woman after a fight.That's why i didn't want Jimmy in Smallville.I liked him as a secondary character in the movies.He was funny and innocent.In Smallville he has to be a main character and they are giving him out of character storylines.Jimmy shouldn't be portrayed as a weasel.

[Doomsday666]

Logically Jimmy did pull away from her before they kissed. So he could ultimatly have walked away.

Taking another girl just to get the same rush with chloe isnt right, but cheating its kinda border lining it.

But for gods sakes he getting marrided, there is no reason to even think of making out with another women.

From now on Jimmy to me is a cheating bastard!

[Atomic girl]

You know I'm not mad at Chloe for taking Jimmy back. We, as viewers, saw that Jimmy could have stopped, but Chloe only knew that Maxima had affected/infected him. She didn't know that there was a point when he thought of her and still played with the fire. Chloe just knows that Jimmy wasn't himself. Clark only had his experience to compare it to, and again he was infected right off, so to speak.

[TWNik]

Yes.

[migo]

Chloe can't get too pissed at Jimmy. She's hiding stuff from him and she knows it's not right. Jimmy is justifiably confused by the whole situation, so she has to give him leeway.

[Meteror Freak]

He cheated but he cheated last season too. The moment he saw Kara, he wanted to hook up with her despite the fact that he was going out with Chloe. Then when Kara lost her memory, he lost interest and went back to Chloe, who stupidly took him back. Jimmy is a weasel.

I completely disagree. NO WAY was Jimmy cheating on Chloe with Kara. Never never never. Just because you like someone else doesn't mean you are cheating on them. He didn't want to hook up with Kara the moment he saw her, he was just staring at her and taking her picture a lot. If you call that cheating, then Chloe and Davis are definately guilty as well. By the way, Jimmy doens't keep pictures and letters about Kara and hide them from Chloe and tell her she's annoying and crossing boundries when she finds out about them.

[redRound]

I think they got the casting wrong for Maxima, that's why her seductive powers have not come across strongly enough and people are saying Jimmy cheated. She should have been more athletic, more fuller figured with a strong physical presence and more attitude. Like Lucy Lawless as Xena.

This actress made it seem like she's just a party girl, who comes on strong, and Jimmy could have resisted if he wanted to.

But really, it's not supposed to be Jimmy's fault.

[clarkbunny]

Jimmy cheated, I was so disappointed in him. He kissed Maxima of his own volition and he also danced with her of his own accord. I was so willing him not to kiss her but he went right ahead. Then after the first kiss he was properly into it.

Jimmy has blown it big time in my eyes. Never mind that him and Chloe had a tiff, they are engaged. That kind of behaviour is just wrong. As much as I liked the Chimmy I just feel he is not good enough for Chloe now.

[OneShotClois]

From what I think, Jimmy cheated. Not only did he comment on Maxima's 'hot' looks, he also started dirty dancing with her. Not to mention that little smirk he gave her like he was interested in her or something.. and this all happened before she kissed him. And yes, she might have kissed him, but he had some part in it too - from what I saw, I would say he kind of let her kiss him after he refused the first time. I mean, it's not like Maxima grabbed him and pushed him towards her and locked lips with him...

So yes, I do think that is cheating. I know I wouldn't want my boyfriend dirty dancing with other girls, telling other girls they're hot, giving them the 'interested' smile, and letting them kiss him.. I mean, if Jimmy could refuse the first time, why not the second time?

[AndiGirl]

From what I think, Jimmy cheated. Not only did he comment on Maxima's 'hot' looks, he also started dirty dancing with her. Not to mention that little smirk he gave her like he was interested in her or something.. and this all happened before she kissed him. And yes, she might have kissed him, but he had some part in it too - from what I saw, I would say he kind of let her kiss him after he refused the first time. I mean, it's not like Maxima grabbed him and pushed him towards her and locked lips with him...

So yes, I do think that is cheating. I know I wouldn't want my boyfriend dirty dancing with other girls, telling other girls they're hot, giving them the 'interested' smile, and letting them kiss him.. I mean, if Jimmy could refuse the first time, why not the second time?

ITA, Jimmy was able to resist the kiss the first time...so those who are arguing about pheremones being in the air....why was he able to resist the first time? I think the transfer is through the kiss...so everything previous to the kiss was all Jimmy. :\

[msjade16]

Jimmy is a weasel! I'm not necessarily saying that he cheated on her (I guess we all have different definitions of cheating), but he was hitting it off big time with Maxima before she kissed him and he was interested in Kara before he and Chloe broke it off. Now I know Chloe has her thing with Clark and that was something Jimmy had been aware of since season 6. Nevertheless, just the same way we saw Chlavis sparks flying, we saw Karimmy sparks flying big time. And that is just a minute part of the reason why I don't take Chlimmy seriously at all.

Chloe still had feelings for Clark and was giving off hella steam with Davis and Jimmy is on all fours with any chick that takes an interest in him<INSERT here Maxima>, not mention his not-so-loyal actions from the later half of season 7 with "Sleeper" and that crap about not being able to lie to a friend (Lois), but able to lie to and spy on his girlfriend (Chloe) and the consequences that followed! WTF! This whole relationship is a joke, and if the writers are trying to make me believe that Chlimmy is meant to be/so in love, they're doing one hell of job!:rolleyes:

Chloe's no saint in this relationship mainly because of her feelings for Clark, which is unfair to Jimmy, but Jimmy knew that obviously and asked her to marry him anyway. And Jimmy sure as hell as ain't the angel that some people make him out to be, but she stupidly took him back after that Kara escapade anyway. It's buffoonery!

Bottom line? Chlimmy is joke and Jimmy is a weasel, so his actions with Maxima did not surprise me!

[super-girl_argos]

You know I'm not mad at Chloe for taking Jimmy back. We, as viewers, saw that Jimmy could have stopped, but Chloe only knew that Maxima had affected/infected him. She didn't know that there was a point when he thought of her and still played with the fire. Chloe just knows that Jimmy wasn't himself. Clark only had his experience to compare it to, and again he was infected right off, so to speak.

This.

As viewers we know things that they don't. And Jimmy is about, what 20? I'm guessing. For some people at that age after a fight, the knee jerk response is "Get drunk, make them jealous" and I think Jimmy played that well because he has always been jealous of Clark and finding the letter just proves how right that fear was. I certainly don't blame him for going out and doing something a bit stupid and with Maxima's ability we have no idea what he would have done if he was in his right mind, yes he flirted but flirting it's just words and that can easily be anger talking and not what he'd do on a regular basis and with the kiss he'd probably gotten rather swept up in the swing of things with having a beautiful girl like that hit on him. But also I think this scene shows us that Chlimmy won't last. Clark's affection for Lois broke Maxima's hold. Jimmy's feelings for Chloe didn't. I think that that is important as is her voicing of that point to Lois

[AndiGirl]

This.

As viewers we know things that they don't. And Jimmy is about, what 20? I'm guessing. For some people at that age after a fight, the knee jerk response is "Get drunk, make them jealous" and I think Jimmy played that well because he has always been jealous of Clark and finding the letter just proves how right that fear was. I certainly don't blame him for going out and doing something a bit stupid and with Maxima's ability we have no idea what he would have done if he was in his right mind, yes he flirted but flirting it's just words and that can easily be anger talking and not what he'd do on a regular basis and with the kiss he'd probably gotten rather swept up in the swing of things with having a beautiful girl like that hit on him. But also I think this scene shows us that Chlimmy won't last. Clark's affection for Lois broke Maxima's hold. Jimmy's feelings for Chloe didn't. I think that that is important as is her voicing of that point to Lois

ITA Lindsay!!

I dont think all 20 year olds act like that (I'm 20...:lol:)
I think Jimmy is a very immature person...and he doesnt know how to deal with a lot of things. So he went out, got drunk and tried to prove what a man he is...and in turn he proved what a child he can be.

I agree with your comment about Maxima. She told Lois that Clark wouldnt have been able to pull away if he wasnt attracted to Lois...and had a deep bond to her. That was probably thrown in to point out the Clois attraction as well to shine a bright light on the fact that the guy thats about to get married couldnt pull away. It speaks volumes.

BTW, Cute avi!!! :)

[amberdawn]

All in all, I think Jimmy is still very young, and obviously does not know how to handle an adult relationship. It doesn't make him a bad person. I've done a lot of things I regret when I've been in relationships in the past. He'll learn and grow from it.

[AndiGirl]

All in all, I think Jimmy is still very young, and obviously does not know how to handle an adult relationship. It doesn't make him a bad person. I've done a lot of things I regret when I've been in relationships in the past. He'll learn and grow from it.

As long as he learns and grows away from Chloe. I'm game!! :lol:

[amberdawn]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I think he will, don't worry :lol:

[msjade16]

As long as he learns and grows away from Chloe. I'm game!! :lol:

Ditto!:lol:

The man is engaged for crying out loud. His age, imo, does not excuse his actions. If so, then he's obviously not ready to be married.

[AndiGirl]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

I think he will, don't worry :lol:

Good deal! :p

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^^ Ditto!:lol:

The man is engaged for crying out loud. His age, imo, does not excuse his actions. If so, then he's obviously not ready to be married.

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.................

I honestly dont think he or chloe are really ready to be married. I can give him that much...its not just him. :\

[amberdawn]

The man is engaged for crying out loud. His age, imo, does not excuse his actions. If so, then he's obviously not ready to be married.

I think it's pretty obvious that he's not ready. Neither of them are.

[msjade16]

I honestly dont think he or chloe are really ready to be married. I can give him that much...its not just him. :\

ITA! The whole thing is ridiculous, imo. And I'm not just talking about the engagement part of their relationship, but I've already spoken my piece on that.

[costas22]

Why don't they just rename the character?That's not Jimmy Olsen.Can anyone remember the last time they saw him with a camera in his hands?Jimmy Olsen should be no more than just a comedy character.It would have been more effective if they had Pete in his place.

[ShelbyKent]

Nope. He was the victim of an intergalactic sex goddess whose kisses/pheremones drug men and bends them to her will.

But drowning his sorrows and sulking in the Ace of Clubs was not such a bright idea

[celita]

I don't think it's fair to compare Clark's reaction when he saw Lois with Jimmy's. The point is that clois is a legendary love, they are true soulmates, and chimmy, well, they are in love with each others, but I don't actually think there will be a happily ever after in their story. Alterne Universes are used in Smallville to hint what woud happen to our characters in the future, and in "Apocalypse" alt-Jimmy said that Chloe broke his heart, so, in the end, chimmy will end and Jimmy will be the one hurt. Right now we know that there's something growing between Chloe and Davis and that may be the reason why Jimmy's heart will suffer soon.

So, I agree that Jimmy cheated on Chloe even when he was drunk and sad. I think too that all those moments between Chloe and Davis are as dangerous as the kiss, since they are bonding with a clear sense of romance (if what you are feeling for a guy you just known it's just platonic you don't need to say "I'm engaged" to him as a defense mechanism). But the point of all this is not to show how mean the both are, but that they are in love, but not that in love to be the real soulmate of their couple.

[wraith808]

How could you not let her kiss you? Anyways he felt guilty afterward which is important.

I hope you never try to use *that* excuse. :eek:

I'd say he did, and I'd say that there was no excuse. Especially if he wasn't going to tell her on his own. He made a choice, and it's just good that Chloe was understanding and forgiving. He needs to get over the whole Clark thing, and realize that Chloe chose *him*.

[disciples of zod]

no, i don't believe jimmy cheated on chloe. maxima was a kissing whore and could control any man that she kissed...it wasn't jimmy's fault. plus it didn't help that jimmy was down in the dumps about the letter.

~H

[msjade16]

^^Being down in the dumps is not an excuse. He needs to grow up. And yes, Maxima could control any man after she kissed him, but Jimmy was all over her before she kissed him, so in that sense, it's his fault, imo.

[awareville]

^^Being down in the dumps is not an excuse. He needs to grow up. And yes, Maxima could control any man after she kissed him, but Jimmy was all over her before she kissed him, so in that sense, it's his fault, imo.

No. Everyone is ready to point the gun at Jimmy in this forum. I'll say it again. He was seduced by the queen of seductiveness. EVERY man was drawn on her. We are talking about an intergalactic sex goddess. If she wants a man's attention, she'll get a man's attention even if he's the Pope. And Maxima clearly pursued Jimmy. So Jimmy wasn't all over her. Maxima was all over Jimmy

[msjade16]

^^Yes. Many are ready to forgive and forget when it comes to Jimmy Olsen and all the crap he's pulled, even last season. I watched again today. If he was so entranced by the intergalactic sex goddess then how (at the last minute, as an afterthought mind you) was he able to remember Chloe and say "I'm in love with another woman"? Same with Clark and that scene at the DP. What I saw, shows me that they are in control of their actions until she kisses them, then after that they are lost to her. Yes, she's a gorgeous sexy seductress, but that's not an excuse when you claim to be in love with someone else and he was into her the moment their eyes met. Yes. She pursued him, but Jimmy didn't refuse, not for a split second. They were all over each other, before she kissed him.

[awareville]

^^Yes. Many are ready to forgive and forget when it comes to Jimmy Olsen and all the crap he's pulled, even last season. I watched again today. If he was so entranced by the intergalactic sex goddess then how (at the last minute, as an afterthought mind you) was he able to remember Chloe and say "I'm in love with another woman"? Same with Clark and that scene at the DP. What I saw, shows me that they are in control of their actions until she kisses them, then after that they are lost to her. Yes, she's a gorgeous sexy seductress, but that's not an excuse when you claim to be in love with someone else and he was into her the moment their eyes met. Yes. She pursued him, but Jimmy didn't refuse, not for a split second. They were all over each other, before she kissed him.


You just contradicted yourself. First you mention that he was able to pull himself the first time Maxima tried to kiss Jimmy and then you say they were all over each other before she kissed him and that he didn't refuse for a second.

[Timester]

Do I need to bring the "annual" Chlark kiss debate to this thread?

No? Then my point is made.

[Superboy2]

I think Kimmy cheated on her, considering last season he never officially broke up with Chloe and was with Lara, whether he was planning on being with her or what not.

[msjade16]

You just contradicted yourself. First you mention that he was able to pull himself the first time Maxima tried to kiss Jimmy and then you say they were all over each other before she kissed him and that he didn't refuse for a second.

No, actually I didn't. My point was that when they met, Jimmy didn't refuse her at all when she showed interest in him, and that I disagreed with the whole "they are not in control of themselves" argument because of his last minute afterthought of Chloe after they were all over each other. My "didn't refuse" statement was meant for the moment they met which is bad for an engaged man....... an engaged man claiming to be so in love when he wholeheartedly agreed with the bartender on his comment about "making her realize she's not the only fox in the forest". And that was before Maxima even showed up. Then later on Chloe proclaims him the "perfect man". Blech! Jimmy's a weasel. If the show wants me to believe otherwise, then they shouldn't have him doing such things, imo.

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Do I need to bring the "annual" Chlark kiss debate to this thread?

No? Then my point is made.

What "annual" Chlark kiss? There hasn't been one since Jimmy arrived, not that I remember anyway.

[disciples of zod]

oh lord i'm removing myself from this thread! k byyyyyyyyye!

~H

[xrayvision]

I honestly dont think he or chloe are really ready to be married. I can give him that much...its not just him. :\

I agree with that, but I don't think he cheated on her. Based on the dialogue, we know that they just danced (which doesn't constitute as cheating according to most) until that scene where they got close. Jimmy pulled away at first. Then I saw Maxima initiating the kiss. That led to raised endorphine levels in Jimmy, which led to him kissing her back. The same thing happened with Clark. Without those raised endorphine levels, I don't think Jimmy would have kissed her (yes, even though she was red hot).

So I'm not gonna judge Jimmy based on his unnatural endorphine levels that were raised by Maxima. But I do admit that neither him nor Chloe are ready for marriage. Especially with Chlonimmy (Chloe-Brainiac-Jimmy) going on (where by the looks of things Davis will also be joining in).

[msjade16]

Well. I think the sneak peek in "Committed" about sums up the answer to this question. But, of course, there's a but. Jimmy's the perfect man afterall.:rolleyes:

[Lara Lane]

My two cents. I don't feel Jimmy exactly cheated on Chloe, I really think he had, before seeing that Maxima had the same effect on Clark, then I kind of forgave him... but still, the whole scene, the way it developed, it didn't do any good for Jimmy's image!

Why, oh why do PS3 want me to hate the chimmy? What's their dark masterplan? What's the use of his character if he's not shown as the devoted man Chloe deserves? what do they want from meee???

[Hopefulsuicide]

of course he cheated on her... but i think i would forgive him just as chloe did, because he was upset, drunk and she was an alien babe who had endorphine kisses :lol:

[Superboy2]

He was kinda with Kara and he was sober.

[thebog1]

Hmm, six pages on a relatively simple question just proves that no one wants to agree on an absolute answer. Each person has their own point at which they draw the line of cheating. Naturally, since everyone is different, what falls into the grey area for that person will be different.

However, there are indisputable facts that definitively lean toward one answer more than the other - facts that can't be denied, only rationalized away (and rationalizing away these kinds of facts means that the rationalizer has some issues regarding unhealthy relationships that they may want to seek help for).

Fact #1:
Jimmy Olsen exhibited free will. Jimmy Olsen chose to dance with Maxima. Jimmy Olsen chose to hesitate kissing Maxima. Jimmy Olsen chose to kiss Maxima after he confessed he was engaged to another female. No one took control of Jimmy Olsen's free will. Plenty of excuses can be made as to why Maxima had 'influence' over him - the way she dressed, talked, acted, etc; perhaps the rationalizer may attribute her 'powers' as something that relieved Jimmy Olsen of his free will. However, it did not. This is undeniably seen when Jimmy chooses to hesitate. Maxima's will was for Jimmy Olsen to kiss her but he was able to choose to hesitate. That is an exhibition of Jimmy Olsen executing free will.

Fact #2:
Jimmy Olsen chose to be in the bar and to dance with another female, despite his knowledge that he was engaged. Jimmy Olsen knew he was engaged and committed to another female. 'Dirty' dancing, explicit dancing, close dancing - any kind of generally inappropriate dance - was Jimmy Olsen's choice to part-take in. Jimmy Olsen chose to dance in a certain manner that he would not have chosen to do so in front of Chloe Sullivan, the female he was/is engaged to; Jimmy Olsen is clearly ashamed of the dancing because he attempts to lie to Clark Kent. Jimmy Olsen chose to put himself into a position where that opportunity for him to part-take in inappropriate behavior was at a higher risk of happening than, for example, The Daily Planet or a coffee shop.

Fact #3:
Jimmy Olsen's heartache about finding the letter does not excuse Jimmy Olsen's actions. A person can not control circumstances around them or others. Jimmy Olsen can't control how Chloe Sullivan feels or felt. Jimmy Olsen might not even have been able to control how he felt. However, Jimmy Olsen did have a choice about how he responded. As stated above, Jimmy Olsen chose to go to a bar - solo - and put himself in that position.

Fact #4:
Maxima is not at fault. At no time is it explicitly or directly implied that Maxima invaded Jimmy Olsen's mind or free will. At no time did Maxima threaten, extort or blackmail Jimmy Olsen. At no time did Maxima force Jimmy Olsen to kiss her or dance with her. Maxima using her looks, her dressing style and her choice of words can not translate into coercing or forcing Jimmy Olsen to do something he would not have chosen to do. To attempt to blame Maxima solely, with no fault left on Jimmy Olsen, would not only be inappropriate but psychologically unhealthy. That is, basically, the equivalent of saying that a 'woman deserves to be sexually assaulted because she dressed a certain way, flirted with a guy and specifically said certain words'. A good, althouth extreme, example can be seen in the movie 'The Accused (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094608/)' with Jodie Foster. In this movie, Jodi Foster's character goes to a bar with a guy and publicly kisses him and etc... However, things take a drastically horrible turn when she is assaulted by her date and two other male patrons in the bar. Afterwards, the defendants attempted to claim that it was her fault because she chose to be at the bar, chose to drink, chose to be on a date, chose to flirt and chose to publicly make out. Does that, by any means, actually make the sexual assault Jodi Foster's fault? Definitely not.

While the movie is an extreme example of my point (which is that Maxima can not take upon herself the fault found on Jimmy Olsen), it is (hopefully) clear enough for it to be of use.

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With those things said, did Jimmy Olsen cheat on Chloe Sullivan, his fiance? Absolutely. Choice is what makes the difference. Had Jimmy Olsen truly not had free will - had he truly been a victim/slave of Maxima's 'power'/'scent'/'aroma' - then that would have made the difference. Unfortunately, it does come down to what Jimmy Olsen chose to do and what he could have chosen not to do.

[Kalista]

Great post thebog1.

Anyway, if this were Jimmy's only incident act of unfaithfulness, I might be able to understand the idea that he and Chloe could work things out. But the incident with Maxima is just one of many of Jimmy's offenses and Chloe could only forgive for so many times before she becomes his doormat. Any female, deserves better. If the writers want to convince us that Chimmy are good for one another, why would they have him involved with Maxima now that they are engaged? Why do they keep reminding us of Jimmy's insecurities about Clark? Why is Jimmy still displaying the same behavior that led to them breaking up?

If they want us to accept Chimmy, then could write him as moving past those insecurities and show us that he has some level of committment to the relationship. I have not seen that yet.

[Sweetie]

Jimmy is such a jerk.If he didn't doubted Chloe's feelings,he wouldn't have been in that club in the first place.

[AChloeChick]

And the lie detector says, "YES!" He cheated and then lies about it, causing Chloe to get zapped.

Gosh, he's such a great guy. The absolute PERFECT match for Chloe since she obviously can't be loved by anyone else (except for possibly a killing machine).

I certainly hope PS3 will at least give me the pleasure of Doomy doing some MAJOR damage to Jimmy (not kill him, just make him SUFFER)!

Sorry, IMO JO is SUCH a douchebag. Chloe deserves SO much better. Why PS3, just WHY?

[6-Super-Man -5]

Jimmy Olsen is so high energy in the movies, and in Smallville he's... very different...

[Bizarrolover]

I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal of this. Y really like Chloe, I think she's a great character, but I don't like when she is glorified as the most wonderful person in this world that doesn't deserve the terrible fate of marrying the nerdy Jimmy Olsen. Jimmy wouldn't have been at the Ace of Clubs had he not found the love letter Chloe wrote to Clark years ago. He was hurt (and for a very good reason) and went to a bar to drown his sorrows. He was vulnerable but, even drunk, he was able to reject Maxima at first, something that not many man, married, engaged or single would be able to do.

At this point I pity Jimmy, because he's obviously more in love with Chloe that she is with him. If there is something good that can be said about him is that his feelings for Chloe didn't change when she pushed him away to the point he had to break up with her or when she confessed her meteor infection. Even after the rollercoaster that their relationship was during season 7, he proposed to her. But, I guess, for some people, Jimmy will never be good enough for Chloe, even if he is one of the most genuine and noble guys on this show (after Clark, of course).

[thebog1]

You know, I admit I'm often amazed at how judgmental so many of us become about other people's romances. How could those two be together, we wonder, and yet shouldn't the real question be: If two people love each other, so long as they're both adults, why should anybody else care? After all, with all the hate that still exists in the world, why get bent out of shape when two people choose to love one another? I'm not saying you have to be happy about whom your loved one marries but if you want your relationship to continue, you will have to accept it.

Enjoy.

[Kevin24]

Jimmy was pissed off and hurt and he went to the Ace of Clubs to get drunk and rant to the bartender. He was already not thinking with a clear head but that is no excuse. It is obvious that Jimmy wanted to get back at Chloe because of the letter.

Maxima came on to him aggressively and he was already a little tipsy. So, of course he loved the attention from a hot woman that obviously wanted him badly. He was enjoying his time with Maxima and no it wasn't innocent because he was defenftialy attracted to her and put himself in a position to cheat.

It's true that he didn't kiss her but he wanted too and I don't blame him but he did put himself in that situaction. If he wants to keep it from Chloe then he obviously knows there is something wrong with what he did.

He didn't cheat but he still did something wrong. The answer is no he didn't cheat but yes he did something stupid.

[thebog1]

You know, the prognosis is not good on neither of the relationships here, though there is a shot they can still be saved. You see, the problem is their cheating, in a sense, is being used as a weapon or as revenge. 'Gee, we're having problems now, I think I'll find somebody else.' The point is, there's always going to be bumps and tough times in a relationship but if it's to survive, the response can't be to go outside the partnership to visit pain on your loved one. It has to be settled within the relationship with both sides equally committed to making it work.


You know, understand that the decision to forgive is a separate one from deciding whether to continue the relationship. If a loved one cheats on you, you can recognize it (perhaps it was a moment of weakness and that can be forgiven), but if the reason the cheating occurs is because he or she doesn't love you that much or seems incapable of being committed to a monogamous relationship, then even though you can find it in your heart to say 'I forgive', you might also find it in your best interest to say goodbye.

Mmhmm. I think all three quotes can be applied to Chloe Sullivan's & Jimmy Olsen's situation. Mmhmm.

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You know, what's obvious here is the lack of commitment to a monogamous relationship. As is so often the case, at least one of the partners is not really committed. To avoid being hurt, and I'm not sure this is easy to know, but as much as possible, be sure your partner is feeling as strongly about you as you are about him or her. Loving is tough enough; when it's unequal, it's downright painful.

Oh, this one is definitely one Chloe Sullivan and Jimmy Olsen should hear - for both towards both from both.

[Kevin24]

LMAO JerrySpringer dropping some knowledge on us Ksite Folk!!!

I'm sorry but this totally reminds me of his final words after every epsiode.

[disciples of zod]

No. Everyone is ready to point the gun at Jimmy in this forum. I'll say it again. He was seduced by the queen of seductiveness. EVERY man was drawn on her. We are talking about an intergalactic sex goddess. If she wants a man's attention, she'll get a man's attention even if he's the Pope. And Maxima clearly pursued Jimmy. So Jimmy wasn't all over her. Maxima was all over Jimmy

w00t! :) thanx!

~H

[thebog1]

Kevin24. . . that is where they're from.

[Kevin24]

Kevin24. . . that is where they're from.

Wow, seriously? :lol:

That's awesome!!!

I thought you were just quoting a poster from pages back named JerrySpringer.

[thebog1]

Nope, those are genuine quotes from his 'Final Thoughts'. I'd give my manhood - and my soul - for a complete collection of all his final thoughts but unfortuantely, not even the show itself has a list (supposedly): yes, I actually contacted them (or tried to) to get a copy of them all... :(

[Superboy2]

I agree with bog1's four facts. Am I the only that thinks that he cheated on Chloe with Kara. Cause even though he may not have kissed her, he and Chloe were drifting, and he went to Kara to confide in bu he liked her and he knew she liked him.

[Kevin24]

Nope, those are genuine quotes from his 'Final Thoughts'. I'd give my manhood - and my soul - for a complete collection of all his final thoughts but unfortuantely, not even the show itself has a list (supposedly): yes, I actually contacted them (or tried to) to get a copy of them all... :(

He did always have something insightful to say after every epsiode. Despite everything else that happened on the show, you know with this person really being a man or cheating etc etc.....

Jerry really had some wisdom to bestow on us viewers.

Btw, I'm not laughing at your sorrow of not being able to get your hands on all of his quotes but I'm laughing because of the way you phrased it.:lol::rotfl:

[thebog1]

Well, you'd think they'd keep a book of his wisdom somewhere or at least sell the book...

I mean, heck - the show isn't even coming out on DVD like other regular shows. Fricken commie bass-turds! Ok, maybe they're not commies but they certainly are selfish, keeping their wisdom to themselves. Bah humbug!

Anyways, thanks Superboy2, although I can't really forsee his time spent with Kara as cheating. I don't think he ever really thought anything more of her than just someone he could talk to and confide in. At best, that'd be a close, personal friend and even spouses, wives, husbands, girlfriends and boyfriends have those kinds of friends. I just think it might become iffy if they tried to keep those friends a secret but I don't think Jimmy ever tried to keep his friendship with Kara a secret.

[Kevin24]

I don't remember the last time I saw the Jerry Springer show. It must have been years ago back when it aired on KCAL 9.

There are so many talk shows that have come and gone and none of them have been released on DVD so I don't think Jerry will be so lucky. So don't go giving up your soul and manhood so the DVD's will be released!

I don't think Jimmy did anything bad with Kara he was just spending some time with her.

[Kalista]

No. Everyone is ready to point the gun at Jimmy in this forum. I'll say it again. He was seduced by the queen of seductiveness. EVERY man was drawn on her. We are talking about an intergalactic sex goddess. If she wants a man's attention, she'll get a man's attention even if he's the Pope. And Maxima clearly pursued Jimmy. So Jimmy wasn't all over her. Maxima was all over Jimmy


I don't think that people are predisposed to dislike Jimmy. There are specific reasons, in addition to the incident with Maxima, why people don't think he is a suitable mate.

If Jimmy had been a better man up to this point, then I could agree that people were nitpicking. But his track record speaks for itself.

[Superboy2]

Did Jimmy and Kara ever kiss? Plus I thought that Chimmy were gonna break up for awhile and have Karimmy for a little bit. I guess that never happened like it was going to. So Jimmy never went for Kara? I should rewatch season 7.

[zorasuperman]

very hazy very hazy indeed

[lauraforever]

Yeah, that should be mentioned too. He was both times unfaithful, not just the recently one with Maxima! *angry* Not even THEN we can get a Kara mention! What's the score? LEX: 20,000 mentions to KARA: None?

[thebog1]

Jimmy didn't cheat on Chloe with Kara, as far as I can recall. He was friends with her, had dinner with her once... but he never came close to attempting to kiss or, kiss her or otherwise try to express an interest in dating her. At best, I think he just considered her a close, personal friend - someone he could confide in, which is understandable when Chloe was kinda keeping her thoughts and feelings about her meteor power and feelings and knowledge on Clark Kent holed up.

I think this is just the first time Jimmy has cheated on Chloe. I think any other time doesn't count as there were no public displays of affection that would have/did cross a 'friend' boundary line.

[zorasuperman]

MOD EDIT : talks about unaired episode

[Bizarrolover]

Flirting with Davis is cheating? Because, if it is, then Jimmy is going to get electrocuted too.

[disciples of zod]

I agree with bog1's four facts. Am I the only that thinks that he cheated on Chloe with Kara. Cause even though he may not have kissed her, he and Chloe were drifting, and he went to Kara to confide in bu he liked her and he knew she liked him.

didn't chimmy break up though when he started seeing kara???

idk, i'm confused. :confused:

~K

[ginnyfan]

didn't chimmy break up though when he started seeing kara???

idk, i'm confused. :confused:

~K

While Chloe and Jimmy were dating, Jimmy gave Kara an admiring glance ("Fierce"). In "Cure" Jimmy let Kara use his computer to find her spaceship. He didn't know what she was up to and the moment Kara asked for help Jimmy wanted to include Chloe. Kara was working on his computer late so Jimmy ordered Chinese food. Chloe saw them together and jumped to conclusions.

Both of these instances were followed by Jimmy being a great boyfriend to Chloe. He got tickets to some very exclusive event. He assembled a box of why Chloe and Jimmy belong together.

Jimmy did cheat with Maxima but he only went to the Ace of Clubs to get drunk. Not to scope for chicks. He went there not because he was horny, but because he was sad that Chloe might love Clark more than him. When he did entertain the idea of dancing with a girl it was only in the hopes of making Chloe jealous (this stupid, immature decision was made while Jimmy was drunk). Finally when push came to shove Jimmy told Maxima that he was in love with someone else. If she could kiss Clark "super strength" Kent against his will then she certainly could kiss Jimmy against his will. Which is the interpretation of the scene I'm settling on.

I think Chloe was right to forgive Jimmy.

[disciples of zod]

riiiiiight. okay...i think chloe was right 2 forgive him, 2

~K

[abbaspice1]

IMO, cheating can occur physical (ie slept together, had sex, or even heavy make-out session) or emotional. However, one must be in CONTROL for it to be considered cheating.

Jimmy neve kiss Kara. Heck, at the most he admired her with his eyes. WHOOPY-DODA-DAY. If that is cheating, every last ONE of us in here have cheated.

Chloe did jump to conclusions over the chinese food dinner.

And Jimmy treated her well after that.

Again, Jimmy went to the bar to drink and spill his guts to the bartender about women (specifically his own). Maxima could suduce a Eunuch LOL. With that woman, no man (and some women) had no chance against her.

So no, he didn't cheat.

[thebog1]

You're essentially relieving Jimmy of any and all fault by placing all the blame on Maxima and her abilities. Jimmy Olsen had free will. Any poster here who is excusing that by defaulting on Maxima's power is a cheater or will be the victim of a cheater, simply because they (apparently) can not accept that choices - deliberate, unforced, uncoerced choices - were made.

Essentially, any woman - and man - that says it wasn't Jimmy's fault (and that he didn't cheat) because of Maxima's power/ability will deserve that day when they get cheated on and they will have no one to blame but themselves. For women that absolve Jimmy of fault: when your boyfriend, fiance, husband, squeeze, NSA bootycall (whatever you may have) cheats on you and his excuse/reasoning is 'oh, she is so incredibly hot and so incredibly charming and so incredibly wordy and so incredibly irresistable', don't you dare blame him. . . after all, it's not their fault the woman is what she is, right? I mean, being THAT good looking, THAT sexy, THAT wordy, THAT dressy, THAT 'slutty' takes your man's willpower away, right? 'cause that's what you're saying about Jimmy.

And for men that absolve Jimmy: Mmhmm. Same question, reversed roles. Not gonna be your woman's fault, right? 'cause, after all, a guy who is THAT good looking, THAT wordy, THAT sexy, THAT dressy, THAT 'slutty/stud-muffiny' takes away your woman's free will, right?

Somehow, I'm thinking NO. Free will is what is needed for it to be cheating and every human being has free will unless they are, literally, possessed.

[ginnyfan]

I do say that Jimmy cheated. Especially since he feels guilty about his behavior. He wouldn't feel that way if he did nothing wrong. But you and others are completely overlooking Maxima's powers. They are a factor in the kiss at least.

[abbaspice1]

You're essentially relieving Jimmy of any and all fault by placing all the blame on Maxima and her abilities. Jimmy Olsen had free will. Any poster here who is excusing that by defaulting on Maxima's power is a cheater or will be the victim of a cheater, simply because they (apparently) can not accept that choices - deliberate, unforced, oncoerced choices - were made.

Essentially, any woman - and man - that says it wasn't Jimmy's fault (and that he didn't cheat) because of Maxima's power/ability will deserve that day when they get cheated on and they will have no one to blame but themselves. For women that absolve Jimmy of fault: when your boyfriend, fiance, husband, squeeze, NSA bootycall (whatever you may have) cheats on you and his excuse/reasoning is 'oh, she is so incredibly hot and so incredibly charming and so incredibly wordy and so incredibly irresistable', don't you dare blame him. . . after all, it's not their fault the woman is what she is, right? I mean, being THAT good looking, THAT sexy, THAT wordy, THAT dressy, THAT 'slutty' takes your man's willpower away, right? 'cause that's what you're saying about Jimmy.

And for men that absolve Jimmy: Mmhmm. Same question, reversed roles. Not gonna be your woman's fault, right? 'cause, after all, a guy who is THAT good looking, THAT wordy, THAT sexy, THAT dressy, THAT 'slutty/stud-muffiny' takes away your woman's free will, right?

Somehow, I'm thinking NO. Free will is what is needed for it to be cheating and every human being has free will unless they are, literally, possessed.

Well the likelihood of me kissing a HOT alien who can kill with a kiss that causes my pleasure senses to overload is slim to none.

And that is what Mazima was. We are not talking about a HOT HUMAN. We are talking about Maxima.

[thebog1]

Mmhmm. And you're saying that Jimmy didn't have a choice, that he didn't have free will if you're putting the blame on Maxima to absolve Jimmy of cheating. No matter how anyone wants to slice their perspective, no matter how they want to excuse it and forgive it and forget it, it can't ever take his free will out of the equation because he was simply not possessed and his free will was not 'taken over'. He still had the ability to say no. In fact, he did the first time. It's extremely convienent that most of the people saying Jimmy DIDN'T cheat can't seem to explain how Jimmy CHOSE to pull away the first time. After all, if he DIDN'T have free will, he wouldn't have resisted even then but the fact remains that he had the choice - and he chose to kiss her after stating an objection.

Cut it, slice it, chew on it any way you want, it won't change a pizza into something other than a pizza. Same with cheating. Changing how you deliberately, purposefully view it won't change the knowledge/fact that it was indeed cheating of his own free will.