The "Fever Letter" Discussion thread

[kal-el returns]

idk if anyone remembers, but was the letter written on pink paper when chloe actually read it to clark during season 2

[shamville]

So glad chloe gave clark the letter. But i wish jimmy and clark read it together, Clark could breakdown.

[hemmy]

Yes, it was pink.

[hanna1804]

Yes but she hasn't kept it, that's why Lana could have read it, so it's weird...

[individuall]

I thought it was really random that the letter was in a bookshelf between a couple of books? : /

[Eri-El]

Lana found the letter in the trash can and read it....she must have kept it hidden in the Talon apartment all this time......

[chlarker4eva08]

maybe it lost color i mean it has been a couple years now

[Shadowlord367]

Im pretty sure that letter was typed, so there must be copies. That might not be the exact physical letter from the past.

[AndiGirl]

I'm very glad Chloe and Clark talked about it at the end...I was so ticked when jimmy just kind of mentioned it...and that was it. So, I'm happy it was addressed.

[luvinChlark]

I didn't... they just shouldn't have brought it back..

[THE"Lurker"]

I didnt think it was awesome way but i do like that they at least addressed the letter since Clark didn't know

[Karafan1]

They shoulda waited until the wedding day for Jimmy to find it..

[Rafael122]

I liked it. I completely forgot about that scene and remember it vividly now that they were talking about it. That was....Season 2 wasn't it?

Plus it gives them closure. Slim chance of them ever having a relationship and we don't have to look at Chloe's puppy dog eyes every time Clark has a crush on someone.

[RobynAdele0406]

I thought they handled it poorly. VERY poorly. I'm sorry, but they used that letter to sound off on Chimmy and Clois. A CHLARK LETTER. Such utter bullcrap.

[Liquid-Prince]

It was cool. Call backs are always nice.

[Firebunny]

They shouldn't have brought it back. They should have let it have been forgotten by the most of the viewers and let it stay special to the fans who loved it.

The way they did it they were pretty much telling certain fans they don't want their viewership anymore.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I'm not a Chlarker by any means but I have to say that it didn't feel like it was paid the attention it should have been.

I don't mean to say that the entire episode should have been focused around it, but it seemed like it'd be a big deal at the beginning but then when Chloe and Clark talked about it, Chloe shrugged it off. She didn't even have any anxiety about letting Clark read it.

I guess that could be her, shall we say, the Brainiac in her making her calmer, but I don't know, it felt like it got swept away too easily somehow.

I didn't dislike it and I loved this episode, FOUR IN A ROW NOW!! Woohoo! But I wasn't entirely pleased with the 'Fever' letter.

[eas]

Well... let me put it this way: I wasn't surprised by the way they handled the "Fever" letter. I mean, they're moving forward with Clois and Chloe is marrying Jimmy. This letter could only bring closure to the Chlark ship and nothing else... as soon as we first heard it was coming back, I was pretty sure that this was exactly how it was going to be handled.

Now, was there a better way to put closure to the Chlark ship? Yeah, I think so... I don't think this letter was needed, because it is very special to Chlark fans & this is something that PS3 should know by now. They could have left the letter special and kept in the past... I'm sure that many Chlark fan-fics are devoted to this letter and they should have let it stay in that realm... as something special that Chloe would always have & maybe, one day, Clark would learn about and have a good reaction to....

But, now, in S8 -- there was no choice but for Clark to react to it with no emotion & for Chloe to use it to move it on with her life with Jimmy.

I'm sorry, though, for my Chlark friends... seriously, you guys do deserve better than that. :(

[oqllcksmallville]

I didnt think it was awesome way but i do like that they at least addressed the letter since Clark didn't know
I completely agree with you my dear . = )
- it was brought up ,
and i was very excited about that .
but it defenitly could have been handle in a better way . ( y )
took the words out of my mouth . = )

[Meteror Freak]

I thought it was handled perfectly, it would have been terrible if Chloe (who's enganged and falling in love with Davis in the meantime), and Clark finally got together just because of the random Fever letter from six years ago. Besides, I don't think the Chlark is quite over just yet.

[silverdragon]

i'm just glad that it was finally address and that clark and chloe both got closure...

[susangail]

I don't think it's the end of the story, but it's nice that they've *begun* the end.

[myankskent]

Well... let me put it this way: I wasn't surprised by the way they handled the "Fever" letter. I mean, they're moving forward with Clois and Chloe is marrying Jimmy. This letter could only bring closure to the Chlark ship and nothing else... as soon as we first heard it was coming back, I was pretty sure that this was exactly how it was going to be handled.


Same here. I also think that the only reason why it was brought back was because people made such a big deal out of it, even though it was never brought into the actual plot of this show since "Fever". I guess TPTB figured that now was the time to make their point about the letter and what it means to the current canon of the show, since this is not season 2 anymore.

[kris10]

i dont think this is the end of chlark there is still a lot of season 9 left to go and especially abyss and the next episode is committed which the description is that chloe AGAIN has to explain her feelings about clark-why? we all know jimmy is insecure about clark we have known since he began on the show....the ? is why ps3 keep bringing up chloe and clark "feelings" or lack there of.

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Same here. I also think that the only reason why it was brought back was because people made such a big deal out of it, even though it was never brought into the actual plot of this show since "Fever". I guess TPTB figured that now was the time to make their point about the letter and what it means to the current canon of the show, since this is not season 2 anymore.

what people wanted it back? the only people that wanted that back was the producers. i would have loved if they kept dead and buried....

[BadToad]

See, this is exactly why I didn't want the Fever letter to come back. Because I had a very strong feeling that it was going to be used for closure, and for Chloe to say "I don't feel that way anymore", and I knew that it would be a very painful way for Chlarkers to hear that their ship isn't coming in. I understand why they felt the need to clarify the relationship between Clark and Chloe, but I just didn't think using the Fever letter was the way to go. I just think they made it more painful for Chlark shippers then it really needed to be, and I think its the sort of move thats going to inspire a lot of anger towards PS3. IMO

[myankskent]

I think by having TPTB bring the "Fever" letter back, it's probably an indication that they didn't like all of the spec that's been going on about the letter all of these years. They could've just left it out of the show, but they probably felt that it needed to be addressed specifically since it has been such a hot topic. JMHO.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I think it's great that Chloe can finally move on.

It's one way to ensure that her marriage to Jimmy will be a happy one.

[marikology]

I HATED the way they handled it, but I still believe it was brought up for a reason that hasn't quite played out all the way, especially not since one half of Chlark is currently being played by Brainiac. I will forgive them when Clark flies back to her.

[thehenry89]

so glad they finally brought it back, and i'm glad chloe is ready to move on with jimmy :D

[msjade16]

B*LLSH*T!!!! I would have preferred if they would've just left it dead and buried back in season 2!:mad:

I understand the need for Chlark closure, especially with the need to push Clois and Chlimmy since that's the way they wanna go this season, but to take something valued by many if not all Chlarker's and/or Chloe fans, wave it front of their faces and then rip it to shreds....... was just a really pissy thing to do, imo! I won't go into the reasons why because I'm almost positive that most shippers (even those who are not Chlarkers) would understand why, even if they don't really care (obviously because it's not their ship), they would still understand from a shippers POV, excluding the mythos vs. non-canon argument for a second.:\

Anyway, that's how I feel about that. Excuse my ranting.:o I just don't like how poorly it was handled. They should've just left it alone and found another way to address the Chlark closure.

If they really wanted full-on closure, it could've been handled a million times better than that! That was just wrong, now I really fear "Abyss"!:(

[savingpeoplething]

The way they used the letter was exactly the opposite way it should have been handled. I, honestly, think if it was written by other, more capable writers, I really think it would have gone another way.

I really liked Al and Turi's episode, but bringing the letter back like this? Absolutely disgusting.

I'll hope that this is just the start of Clark developing feelings for Chloe, but after tonight, I no longer have any confidence for the writing of this show because when you write out of convenience, you automatically lose my interest and faith in you.

[eas]

I think by having TPTB bring the "Fever" letter back, it's probably an indication that they didn't like all of the spec that's been going on about the letter all of these years. They could've just left it out of the show, but they probably felt that it needed to be addressed specifically since it has been such a hot topic. JMHO.

If they were smart, they could have just left the spec up in the air.... there are a lot of loose threads in "SV" and I don't see why this thread needs to be sewed up, personally.

I guess they don't care whether Chlark fans comes back or not... because, let's face it, this particular piece of Chlark canon is VERY important Chlark fans.

[kris10]

ita they didnt need to bring the letter back to deal some closure to chlark it was just crappy to a certain set of fans in particular...

[eas]

The way they used the letter was exactly the opposite way it should have been handled. I, honestly, think if it was written by other, more capable writers, I really think it would have gone another way.

I really liked Al and Turi's episode, but bringing the letter back like this? Absolutely disgusting.

I'll hope that this is just the start of Clark developing feelings for Chloe, but after tonight, I no longer have any confidence for the writing of this show because when you write out of convenience, you automatically lose my interest and faith in you.

I can't imagine that it's the start of the roma Chlark - not when Clark looked so... well... uninterested in it all. He read the letter and had no emotion... when Chloe asked for him to give her away, he looked genuinely happy for her. There wasn't any conflict on his face. And, later on, he even acts like he never knew how much she loved him (which was a WTF? moment for me, because how could he not know) and he seems to only care enough to point out how he's scared he'll be alone.

To me, the whole episode was devoted to talking about about Clark's fears of being alone and lonely for the rest of his life. That's why it's a big deal that he says 'no' to Maxima's offer. And that's why they brought up the "Fever" letter... to show that he had a chance with Chloe and he blew it.... he had a chance to with Lana and he blew it.... and, now, he's starting to have a chance with Lois & he's not getting it.

[LovelyLoisLane]

I understand and always felt that it was going to be used for closure, but I still feel like the last scene was lacking.

It felt . . . apathetic . . . to me and that was odd. Then Chloe asks Clark to walk her down the aisle? A position typically taken by the bride's father or father figure at least, was just a bit much for me.

[amberdawn]

A position typically taken by the bride's father or father figure at least, was just a bit much for me.

Mmhmm. Doesn't she still have a father?

[eas]

It felt . . . apathetic . . . to me and that was odd. Then Chloe asks Clark to walk her down the aisle? A position typically taken by the bride's father or father figure at least, was just a bit much for me.

Yeah, that was out there... it was almost like she was saying that he's basically her BROTHER or something. I didn't get that. They really couldn't just re-cast Gabe and bring him back? I mean, does anyone even remember what he looks like? They could get ANY random actor and I'll buy that he's Gabe.

[Drakaun]

Honestly I think it was handled well. Look at it this way, I think when Jimmy found the letter she was angry and felt betrayed. She wanted to convince Jimmy that it was over and done, but more importantly convince herself. She showed Clark the letter in hopes that it would be a way to move on, but secretly deep down I still think something is there, and I think this letter business is not finished just yet. That is how I at least saw it, and is exactly what I would do in a similar situation, but knowing how I am it would probably be a lie to myself and my feelings hoping it would help, but knowing deep down it didn't.

On a side note about no one noticing if they recast Gabe, people on this forum could tell they recast Shelby and pointed it out lol.

[kris10]

Honestly I think it was handled well. Look at it this way, I think when Jimmy found the letter she was angry and felt betrayed. She wanted to convince Jimmy that it was over and done, but more importantly convince herself. She showed Clark the letter in hopes that it would be a way to move on, but secretly deep down I still think something is there, and I think this letter business is not finished just yet. That is how I at least saw it, and is exactly what I would do in a similar situation, but knowing how I am it would probably be a lie to myself and my feelings hoping it would help, but knowing deep down it didn't.

On a side note about no one noticing if they recast Gabe, people on this forum could tell they recast Shelby and pointed it out lol.
thats a good take on it..i mean what are you supposed to do right? what is the right way to react?

[Jade4813]

See, this is exactly why I didn't want the Fever letter to come back. Because I had a very strong feeling that it was going to be used for closure, and for Chloe to say "I don't feel that way anymore", and I knew that it would be a very painful way for Chlarkers to hear that their ship isn't coming in. I understand why they felt the need to clarify the relationship between Clark and Chloe, but I just didn't think using the Fever letter was the way to go. I just think they made it more painful for Chlark shippers then it really needed to be, and I think its the sort of move thats going to inspire a lot of anger towards PS3. IMO

I'm pretty much right there with you. I was worried when I heard it was coming back because I thought it might be for closure and, though I'm all for closure where closure needs be done, it's mean to take something sacred for a set of fans and just ruin it. Particularly if that same thing - closure - could have been achieved without.

On the positives, I was glad that they didn't have Chloe say, "And there are guys you grow into Jimmy, and you're one of them" like some had feared. But that is a small, small consolation for Chlark fans.

I'm glad they're trying to do closure, but I really do wish they'd picked a different method.

[Bella882]

Ah. I'm all over the place on this one. What the hell were they thinking? And to think their going to crap on even more Chlark supporters in Abyss.

How they expect them to stick around from here on out let alone even whispering a season nine is beyond me. To say I was disheartened by the handling of the letter (not soo much the outcome) as just a random casual thing just stuns me. I'm at a loss for words... :(

[kris10]

absolutely! i agree jade! dont smack some fans in the face it could have been done better..

[Kevin24]

My thoughts exactly! I don't know if Smallville can recover from this IMO. It was the worst BULLCRAP I've ever seen. I have never been this angry over an episode before. NEVER, and that's saying something for this show. I mean, how dare they? I honestly don't understand how any Chlark fans could be pleased with this utter JUNK!!!!!

All this episode made me realize is that I've watched this show all these years for NOTHING!!!! I knew this show was deteriorating ever since Lois appeared in season four, each season a little worse than the last (the ratings matching my sentiments). But this episode just took the cake!! Aging babies is starting to sound pleasant compared to this. Lois is not the new Chloe, Lois is the new Lana, and in fact I now prefer Lana to Lois and cannot wait for her return. I hope she does interrupt Lois and the BDA ( I cannot handle their names coupled together any longer in any incarnation after this show).


Clark could have romances with characters that aren't in the comics (like Alicia), so why could they never ever pair Chloe and Clark together as a couple after building them up for over 7 seasons? No, on this show, Booth will never end up with Brennan, Scully and Mulder will never come together, Mick and Beth will end because he is "destined" for Coraline, Stabler will no longer investigate with Benson, because he is "meant" (written in the stars) to investigate with a new partner, the best friend will never get the guy; no the best friend's cousin will because it is her destiny to take her cousin's dream job and true love!!! Thank you Smallville for reminding me why I hate this show and for reminding me that life is an utter and complete crapfest where those who don't work for anything get everything!!!!

I hope in the future of Superman in the comics, Clark Kent comes to his senses and realizes the woman he married is a selfish, fame seeking dream stealer, and that like in (SPOILER from other movie) "Definitely Maybe," he was with the wrong woman for years and never saw that his best friend was who he was meant for but was too blind to see it. I want Chloe to be added into the comics so he will see who his true love is, not the one he is "destined" for, but the one he chooses to be with. Destiny, is ridiculous. That's why I like Roswell, because even though Max was destined for Tess, he chose to be with Liz. There's a show that got it. Smallville just doesn't!!! This episode proves it.

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TOO TRUE!!!!! Although, I don't think it was forgotten by most of the viewers. That's just saying that most of the viewers aren't fans of Chloe and Clark. When in all actuality, there are a lot of Chloe and Clark fans. But, to be fair, several of them have stopped watching because they just can't take the show anymore. I can think of at least ten people I know (who I don't know from online) who have stopped watching because of how they've crapped on Chloe.

And this was the worst! The writers were being pretty in your face about the letter and how it will never mean anything to Clark. So, Chloe will never be the girl Clark grows into? Chloe was clearly still masquerading. I mean, BFF? But honestly, that episode was pretty much saying "we will never do Chlark," even after 8 seasons of build up because we would prefer to do the Lois and Clark show.

I thought it was a slap in the face to many of the fans who have watched the show over the years. They could have handled it much better.

Whoa, someone is pissed:eek:

[superspider02]

It was very nice to see it back since we learned about it being in the episode awhile ago. I loved the reactions both clark and jimmy had to the letter. I do wonder though how it got in the talon since when we last saw it in season 2 during fever lana had it after she took it out of the trash at the torch. To me it looked to be the same paper the last was on and was all crinkled up like it was back then. As for chloe's father situation i said this in another thread they probably could not get gabe's actor back and/or not even general lane either so they decided the easiest way to go is have clark walk her down the isle. Who knows maybe we will see either at the wedding or we dont.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I don't really see the big deal.

It's not the Clark and Chloe show we're watching. It's a show about a young Clark Kent before he's Superman.

We all knew he'd eventually move on from Lana and go to work at the Daily Planet.


I hope in the future of Superman in the comics, Clark Kent comes to his senses and realizes the woman he married is a selfish, fame seeking dream stealer, and that like in (SPOILER from other movie) "Definitely Maybe," he was with the wrong woman for years and never saw that his best friend was who he was meant for but was too blind to see it.

Wonder Woman?


I want Chloe to be added into the comics so he will see who his true love is, not the one he is "destined" for, but the one he chooses to be with.

Even if the Chloe in the comics ends up being a complete reboot of the character you're familiar with?

[LovelyLoisLane]

Mmhmm. Doesn't she still have a father?

One would think so wouldn't they? Hence the oddity of it. I think maybe he died in offscreenville.

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Even if the Chloe in the comics ends up being a complete reboot of the character you're familiar with?

Yes, I have to agree. I get the anger, but taking it to the comics is taking it too far.

Chloe has never been in the comics so no one knows what she'd be like there. No two Loises are created the same way so if there is more than one Chloe she won't be either.

Not to mention that calling comics Lois selfish is not at all valid to me, so lets not project anger at SV into anger against the DCU.

Though that is mild in comparison to another site where people are actually attacking AM.

I feel badly for Chlarkers and I did right when I saw that scene. I was just like "Oh man . . . not good." But there is such a thing as taking it too far. If anybody is that angry, go beat the crap out of your pillows and stand outside and yell really loud.

Well . . . maybe not. ;) Depending on where you live, your neighbors might not like it, but that never stopped me.

[Khyla]

a few things baffle me.

Why did CHloe have the letter in the first place? She threw it away, and Lana found it.

If Lana is the one who stuck it there between the books on the bookshelf, why wasn't CHloe completely shocked and confused when she saw it?

If by chance Lana admitted that she had saved it all these years and gave it to CHloe, why would CHloe even bother to keep it since she threw it away in the first place?

Chloe says it was just a "school girl crush" thing, so why does she still have it?

CHloe did say something about personal boundaries or space to Jimmy when he found it, so I'm guessing she knew it was there. ........Why would she keep something like that when there's a chance Jimmy, or Clark might find it? ? ?

Why was she still holding onto it???

[LoisL]

It was kind of nice, even tho I'd been dreading it. I never thought to see the day that Chloe would be so clear and upfront about not being in love with Clark, while having something very special with him, on the show! I'd given up hoping that she'd reached the truly friends point since even in S6 she'd give these fleeting pining looks that personally drove me up the wall because they were so out of place yet unquenchable. So, I'm happy for her and for Clark and for the show for trying to air out the status of these two.

On the other hand, I'm obviously not a Chlark shipper, so my POV is prob moot.

[msjade16]

Even if the Chloe in the comics ends up being a complete reboot of the character you're familiar with?

Not that I want her in the comics for the reasons stated by that poster, but she's already a complete reboot of the character we're familiar with.:(:(

[Jade4813]

Why did CHloe have the letter in the first place? She threw it away, and Lana found it.

I'm afraid that this is probably one of those plot device things. :\

[LovelyLoisLane]

a few things baffle me.

Why did CHloe have the letter in the first place? She threw it away, and Lana found it.

If Lana is the one who stuck it there between the books on the bookshelf, why wasn't CHloe completely shocked and confused when she saw it?

CHloe did say something about personal boundaries or space to Jimmy when he found it, so I'm guessing she knew it was there. ........Why would she keep something like that when there's a chance Jimmy, or Clark might find it? ? ?

Why was she still holding onto it???


I was wondering about that ever since we heard about it in spoilers. I have to draw from Chloe's reaction to Jimmy finding it that she knew it was there and wasn't happy that he found it, so if she put it there, I agree with you . . . where did it come from?

I also don't want to rag on Chloe but I don't think Jimmy should have got sniped at for reading the first lines of it. Because like you said, it was somewhere anybody could have found it if they were moving those books around. So he wasn't really breaching her personal boundaries. It fell out, he was curious, he looked at it. If it had been in a locked drawer and he went snooping then maybe.

I wonder why she still had it as well. Also her reaction at the end was so apathetic that I wonder why she cared that Jimmy read it? She shrugged it off as a no big deal eventually anyway.

Did she have it on file, print it out and then stuff it in there because she was reading it one day and got interrupted, and needed to hide it in a hurry?

It just seemed odd.

[amberdawn]

I hope in the future of Superman in the comics, Clark Kent comes to his senses and realizes the woman he married is a selfish, fame seeking dream stealer, and that like in (SPOILER from other movie) "Definitely Maybe," he was with the wrong woman for years and never saw that his best friend was who he was meant for but was too blind to see it. I want Chloe to be added into the comics so he will see who his true love is, not the one he is "destined" for, but the one he chooses to be with. Destiny, is ridiculous. That's why I like Roswell, because even though Max was destined for Tess, he chose to be with Liz. There's a show that got it. Smallville just doesn't!!! This episode proves it.

You should realize that SV is NOT the comics. This show does it's own thing. Chloe is NOT in the comics and even if she were, Clark would not just come to the realization that Chloe is the one for him. Not when he loves Lois.

[superspider02]

There is probably more meaning to the letter and why chloe still has it. As for how it got there it was probably given back to chloe by lana in offscreenville.

[amberdawn]

I'm afraid that this is probably one of those plot device things. :\

Or more like a, plot hole , which there are many of on this show. :rolleyes:

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Not that I want her in the comics for the reasons stated by that poster, but she's already a complete reboot of the character we're familiar with.:(:(

Or she's moved on and has decided she wants a change. It happens in TV shows.

Lana quit the Talon and became a witch.

Lionel repented and became Jor El's vessel.

Lex stopped being Clark's friend and became his worst enemy.

[LoisL]

I liked that the angst was kept to a minimum. But hey, it's early days yet. Knowing SV, this fever thing will simmer unexpectedly on the backburner and recur for moments of drama deeper into the season.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

I haven't heard any complaints from Allison Mack so far. She's happy with the direction they're taking with Chloe this season.

I'm sorry. But it seems like all that letter was brought back for was for Clark to realize he has to move on from Lana and stop holding on to the past.

It's the first step to getting him off the farm and into the Daily Planet where he can be more proactive with his powers.

I honestly couldn't care less who he hooks up with. There's more to this show than relationships.

[Mini Wolfsbane]

I don't know if I want to step in here or not, but here it goes.

I liked that they brought back the letter. It shows the show still has actual continuity!
That the writers still remember it's roots. (After season 6 and through season 7 it
was hard to see if this was the case or not for me.)

Plus I thought it tied into the theme of letting go and moving on for Clark.
(There was a lot of that tonight, really.)
I mean, here he is all lonely, and eventhough he might be regretting what once was with
Chloe, he knows it's in the past and can be genuinely happy for her and Jimmy in
the present.
(Which is more then I can say for Jimmy who acted like an immature 5 year old tonight.
I wanted to reach through the tv and smack him, I really did. He needs to grow up and be a man already.)
Clark also knows where he and Chloe stand now and I think that's good.

I know people are upset, but I'm sure they will deal with it in thier own way.
I'll try not to spout my thoughts about the Chlark ship here, though, I'll save that
for another thread.

...So, uh, anyone else notice she's STILL wearing that hideous kindergarten play
jewlery on her finger? I did and I was not pleased.

[moviefan2k4]

...So, uh, anyone else notice she's STILL wearing that hideous kindergarten play jewlery on her finger? I did and I was not pleased.You think Jimmy can really afford a diamond on a photographer's salary? Doubtful.

[Chlarkislove]

You should realize that SV is NOT the comics. This show does it's own thing. Chloe is NOT in the comics and even if she were, Clark would not just come to the realization that Chloe is the one for him. Not when he loves Lois.

Acutally he loves Lana still. and is said to have a date with her in a future episode not Lois at the moment.


And your right SV is NOT the comics they could have done their own thing.If they wanted to go with the Chlark route they could have, it's an Alternate Universe. They don't have to go by the comics.

And anyways if Brainiac is supposed to be taken over Chloe how do we know that's Chloe's real feelings? How do we know that Chloe even wants to get married to Jimmy. She's not really acting herself. We don't know if those were her words or Braniacs. .

[amberdawn]

I was talking about how he loves Lois in the comics, not SV.

And yeah, they can do whatever the hell they want with SV.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

And yeah, they can do whatever the hell they want with SV.

Almost anything.

[amberdawn]

Well, yeah, you know what I meant lol

[IloveClark]

The episode was packed full of lies.It was pointless to bring back the letter cause neither Clark or Chloe were being honest.Jimmy is just a punk a.s b.tch.The whole episode was just weak.I liked the Lois and Clark moments and Clark having his shirt open but over all it was dumb.

[ginnyfan]

Well... hugs to all the Chlarkers who are hurting.

I was going to post about how I felt about Chlark in this episode but after reading all the posts... maybe I was overly optimistic. I really thought the letter affected Clark deeply.

*sigh*

[Atomic girl]

I feel like they brought up the letter but didn't use it to really do anything. The writers had Clark saying some weird stuff (didn't know how much she cared for him?) and if that was their attempt at closure, then I guess we'll never really get it. But then again, have we really gotten that from Clana?

It would have been nice to have a heart-to-heart Chlark conversation, where you could really believe that both sides were only interested in the other's welfare and both were happy for Chlimmy. I didn't feel like we got any more closure than at any other time. And questions that should have been asked by any intelligent person went unasked. Why didn't Jimmy or Clark ask about why the letter was kept all this time? Both men had at least some motivation to want to know. And Clark's "speech" about the right person not being recognized could have been a wink to Chlark or Chlois, or even in a twisted way Clana (why did he wait so long and ruin his chance at a "real" relationship.) I felt like nothing was resolved and that was the plan, so the letter was really brought up for no good reason.

Overall I was disappointed with how this letter was brought up and used.

[Timester]

And yeah, they can do whatever the hell they want with SV.

Uh, nope. DC Comics still control everything that happens on the show.

[abbaspice1]

Okay folks, I can understand the pain, but the bittnerness? IT is no like Smallville is a brand new mythos. Certain things have to happen:

Lois and Lana falls in love, but break up.
Lex turns evil.
The JL will be formed.
Lois and Clark will hook up and eventually marry.
Clark will eventually turn into Superman.

I mean come on! We all saw the writing on the wall for Lex when he was introduced as a character. We saw the progression, and we knew he would turn into a evil and twisted person.

We knew when the Green Arrow, Cyborg, MM, AqM and Canary was introduced that the League would form.

And when Lois was introduced, everyone should have known that sooner or later, the anvils would drop, and during the last season of the show they would move closer together.

I'm sorry that AmMiles wasted 7 years to play the drama of Clana. But blame them. Instead of having Clana fo a few years and then having Clark move on with various women (1 perhaps being Chloe) then moving on to Lois, we have Clana for way too long.

But to blame the current writers who are doing the best thing (having the characters move on) for the LAST season, and bringing things into line with a GREAT (if not the best) mythos is mind-boggling.

To say that the writers can do what they want...they CANNOT. Clark is a DC character, therefore certain rules have to be followed. In fact, MOST of the characters are DC characters, and the writers HAVE to write them a certain way. We ALL knew that when we started to watch it show.

It is like when I watched Roemo and Juliet, West Side Story, etc. I can wish all I want that the ending could be different. I could pore all my emotion into the story and hoe and pray that when I get to the end Romeo and Juliet are alive, Tony and Maria had found a place for them, etc. BUT IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY! We all knew what the ENDGRAME was. And to be so bitter about it, IMHO, is just a waste of time.

In pain, fine. Angry? Okay, but make sure the targets of your anger deserve it. IMHO, PS3 was handed a bag of manure and have turned it into a garden. Yes there are thorns, but that is to be expected. Bittnerness? You probably need to put things into perspective.

[AndrewVDk]

I don't understand why are so many people upset!? :confused:
I am Chlark fan and this is exactly what I expected to happen!
What were you people expecting, that when Clark reads the letter
to jump into Chloe's arms? :rolleyes:
Chlark romance is not gonna happen, so it's better for them to
end it like this, with both Chloe and Clark closing that door!
Or would you people rather liked to be teased, again and again
and again and in the end nothing! :eek: It's better this way!
No more teasing! :cool:

[Kal-ed]

Now, was there a better way to put closure to the Chlark ship? Yeah, I think so... I don't think this letter was needed, because it is very special to Chlark fans & this is something that PS3 should know by now. They could have left the letter special and kept in the past... I'm sure that many Chlark fan-fics are devoted to this letter and they should have let it stay in that realm... as something special that Chloe would always have & maybe, one day, Clark would learn about and have a good reaction to....


I knew that was how the letter would be used and I was glad we would finally have Chlark closure, now that we do, I dont feel as good as I thought I would, at least not after reading eas's post.

It was thoughtless of me I guess but I never realized how much the letter meant to some people and I realized that using the letter for a chlark closure was not the best way to go about it and I totally agree eas it should have stayed in the past. A conversation between Clark and Chloe about her past feelings, maybe the upcoming wedding being the reason the convo comes up, would have been a better way to bring closure to Clark without the letter that meant so much to so many.

sorry you guys, I mean that.

[RepairmanBob]

Better to leave the letter dead and forgotten, like so many other loose ends, than to dig it up and ruin in. Why bother to mention something PS3 has got to know is important to a lot of Chlark fans, just to pimp Clois and Chimmy? There are plenty of other, better way to support both of those ships if that is the direction the show is headed.

Memoria was ruined by Grulian and the Fever letter letter was ruined by Instinct. What is the next previously loved moment the show will dig up and shoot in the head? Maybe we will find out Jonathan was banging Nell on the side? Martha did have that affair with Lionel offscreen? Lex eats babies?
Uh, nope. DC Comics still control everything that happens on the show.<!-- / message -->Not so much. The movie division at Warner Brothers controls everything that happens on the show. The hierarchy, as I have always heard it, goes:

WB movie division > WB TV Division/CW Network > Catering Guys > Catering Guys' Pet Hamster > DC Comics

Al and Miles always said they talked to the folks at DC Comics, but the movie division have always been the corporate overlords. That is why Smallville almost got cancelled in season one (JJ Abrams was concerned about brand confusion), and why the show was finally able to use the FoS and Kryptonians in season five (Bryan Singer approved it).

[nickyjean_1]

I just have to start out with Jimmy asking why he never said those words to him?

Answer: They were the infatuations of a 15yr old girl in the thralls of hero-worships. Not the love and solace that Jimmy invokes in her despite my belief that he is beyond unworthy of such as she.

He pissed me off and I had to get it off my chest.

When she handed that note to clark I was very much of the belief that she was truely over him. So to me that specific part was perfect.

The reason it was in the Talon and Jimmy finding it was very VERY contrived yet I believe the next eppy will have more discussion on the Jimmy pov for Chlark so I'm ok with the fact it was only touched on.

***Edit****

In addition if Clark started to develop feeling for chloe now because he read that letter or for any other reason, it would have been worse then anything else. It would have felt that he just wanted her because he couldn't have her anymore. That he wanted her unrequated (sp?) love to stroke his ego.

The fact that she asked him to give her away (at first I'm like isn't her father alive????) I have come to realize that it can be a definate statement she is letting go from Clark and moving on with Jimmy. I mean what more symbolic then Chlark together him in his tux and her in her bridal gown just for her to peck him on the cheek and join Jimmy at the alter. Pretty powerful image if you think about it.

[myankskent]

It was thoughtless of me I guess but I never realized how much the letter meant to some people and I realized that using the letter for a chlark closure was not the best way to go about it and I totally agree eas it should have stayed in the past. A conversation between Clark and Chloe about her past feelings, maybe the upcoming wedding being the reason the convo comes up, would have been a better way to bring closure to Clark without the letter that meant so much to so many.

sorry you guys, I mean that.

ITA. I said this earlier...I think that TPTB using the letter to put the final nail in the Chlark coffin is a product of them not being too happy with the spec made about that letter all of these years. It's like TPTB wanted to make sure that it was clear that the letter was not meant to tell anything about the future. I guess I can understand why TPTB wanted to do this. The letter has been a hot topic and I believe that it needed to be addressed, to some degree, to set the record straight. If the letter wasn't a big topic, it probably would've been left alone. Of course, TPTB could've handled the situation a lot better but I'll also say that it could've been handled a lot worse. Remember, this episode ended with both Clark and Chloe happy that they were BFFs. It could've been a lot more dramatic and far more gut-wrenching, IMO.

[Sue Denim]

The way they did it they were pretty much telling certain fans they don't want their viewership anymore.

I agree. Message received.

[unfocused]

I loved the Fever letter when Chloe first read it to Clark, it was touching. And I am happy it returned and was settled. I'm especially happy Clark finally knows about it.

----- Added 48 Seconds later -----


The way they did it they were pretty much telling certain fans they don't want their viewership anymore.

Hahahahaha.

[Kalista]

I agree. Message received.

Yup. Loud and clear.

[eas]

I knew that was how the letter would be used and I was glad we would finally have Chlark closure, now that we do, I dont feel as good as I thought I would, at least not after reading eas's post.

It was thoughtless of me I guess but I never realized how much the letter meant to some people and I realized that using the letter for a chlark closure was not the best way to go about it and I totally agree eas it should have stayed in the past. A conversation between Clark and Chloe about her past feelings, maybe the upcoming wedding being the reason the convo comes up, would have been a better way to bring closure to Clark without the letter that meant so much to so many.

sorry you guys, I mean that.

Aw, Kal-ed... I don't think it was thoughtless of you. Honestly, I didn't realize what a big deal the letter was until I started speaking to some of my Chlark friends on this board. They were the ones who brought my attention to the letter and how nice it was. From my understanding, this is a huge part of roma Chlark canon and plays a huge role in Chlark shipping.... but it's not something that a non-Chlark fans out pick up on their own, I don't think.

But, once I figured out how important it was, I DID think it was thoughtless for PS3 to bring this letter back in S8, when it could only be brought back for closure. I think that there did need to be closure on the Chlark 'ship (just like they closed Lollie and will, now, turn towards closing Clana) but to do it with this particular reference? It wasn't right and I don't blame Chlark fans for being angry about it. If they did this to Clois, I'd be angry, too.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


Well... hugs to all the Chlarkers who are hurting.

I was going to post about how I felt about Chlark in this episode but after reading all the posts... maybe I was overly optimistic. I really thought the letter affected Clark deeply.

*sigh*

Well, it affected him deeply because it caused him to wonder who his own soul-mate was. That was the theme of the episode: "Clark feels alone, lonely, and wants a girlfriend of his own." LOL

But did it affect him in a way that meant that he was in love with Chloe or regretful of that missed opportunity? No, I don't think so. He seemed genuinely happy for Chloe & more than happy to give her away to Jimmy. If he was at all envious of Jimmy it wasn't because Jimmy was with Chloe, but rather because he felt that Jimmy had found his special someone.

[Chlarker2008]

Acutally he loves Lana still. and is said to have a date with her in a future episode not Lois at the moment.


And your right SV is NOT the comics they could have done their own thing.If they wanted to go with the Chlark route they could have, it's an Alternate Universe. They don't have to go by the comics.

And anyways if Brainiac is supposed to be taken over Chloe how do we know that's Chloe's real feelings? How do we know that Chloe even wants to get married to Jimmy. She's not really acting herself. We don't know if those were her words or Braniacs. .

you make a good point we dont know if that is really Chloe talking or it could be Braniac. But, when this whole Braniac mess goes away what do you think is going to happen to Chloe and Jimmy or Chloe and Clark?

[costas22]

Ow a very touchy subject.I voted that they handled it correctly but my heart goes out to fellow Chlarkers.The reason being that even though it was the right thing to do,the producers lied to the fans.During the summer promotion they hinted that Chlark would be explored.Why lie to a portion of your audience when you are going to screw them like that later?Ok so they got Chlarkers to tune in for season 8 but the ends don't justify the means.I mentioned it at the Odyssey thread in a topic about the lack of a final Chlark scene:They are aggresively pulling them apart.I don't have a problem with that but they should have been honest about it.Chlarkers watch Abyss at your peril

[margroks]

THe letter was handled poorly. It was originally so important that Al Gough rewrote it to amke sure it was exactly right. It was a pivitol moment in SV history and an entire ep should have been devoted to it. Clark's remarks made him sound like he was asleep at the switch not to get how much Chloe loved him all these years; Superman couldn't be that stupid.

THe Fever letter is about the Chlark relationship and the romance they promised us all those years ago, periodically dangling that carrot again with things like the awesome surprise kiss in Vessel. Anything else, especially mixing it up with the other crap we got tonight was simply appalling. I expect more from the SV writers if they are, indeed professionals as they claim. Anything else is just bad fanfic and a waste of my time. Smallville fans deserve better than this and we're not getting it in Season Eight.

[eas]

ITA. I said this earlier...I think that TPTB using the letter to put the final nail in the Chlark coffin is a product of them not being too happy with the spec made about that letter all of these years. It's like TPTB wanted to make sure that it was clear that the letter was not meant to tell anything about the future. I guess I can understand why TPTB wanted to do this. The letter has been a hot topic and I believe that it needed to be addressed, to some degree, to set the record straight. If the letter wasn't a big topic, it probably would've been left alone. Of course, TPTB could've handled the situation a lot better but I'll also say that it could've been handled a lot worse. Remember, this episode ended with both Clark and Chloe happy that they were BFFs. It could've been a lot more dramatic and far more gut-wrenching, IMO.

I think they didn't "need" to set the record straight. It was back in S2. If a set of shippers have taken the letter and feel that it's important for a particular reason, then they should just let it go... there are so many loose threads they've left dangling since S1. I don't think this letter was THAT much of a loose thread that they felt it must be addressed.

I think that they needed to say (1) roma Chlark won't happen; (2) Chimmy are really in love and Chloe doesn't love Clark more than Jimmy; and (3) Clark's feeling alone and is moving on from Lana.

And that's fine - I have no problem with them conveying those 3 messages... I just feel they didn't need to drag the "Fever" letter into it.

[myankskent]

I think they didn't "need" to set the record straight. It was back in S2. If a set of shippers have taken the letter and feel that it's important for a particular reason, then they should just let it go... there are so many loose threads they've left dangling since S1. I don't think this letter was THAT much of a loose thread that they felt it must be addressed.


I agree, that's why I think that it's likely that for some strange reason, TPTB hated all of that spec so much that they decided to crush the "Fever" letter. That's what I take out of this more than anything else.




I think that they needed to say (1) roma Chlark won't happen; (2) Chimmy are really in love and Chloe doesn't love Clark more than Jimmy; and (3) Clark's feeling alone and is moving on from Lana.


Well, I believe that they have done all of this and still, the "Fever" letter discussion has continued. TPTB probably should've just ignored all of the discussion and continued to write the show the way that they had always intended, but they couldn't leave well enough alone.

[Goobs]

They handled it horribly, you should never bring back back the Fever letter for Chlarkers and use it to bring up other ships. That's just a plain old slap in the face.

I really hope they turn this around, because what happened yesterday was an absolute disgrace..

[dimeo782002]

They shouldn't have brought it back. They should have let it have been forgotten by the most of the viewers and let it stay special to the fans who loved it.

The way they did it they were pretty much telling certain fans they don't want their viewership anymore.


you are absolutely correct firebunny ! they used this letter as a metaphor for clois.

im not bashing !
they used it so they coukld put it in our faces for onece and for all that chloe and clark will never be and that the women standing in front of him ( in the barn ) is the one . im happy for the cloisers.

i knew that clark and chloe would never be i have been saying it for weeks but all i wanted was acknowledgement from clark that she could have been the one and he misssed it . from his mouth not chloe's . thats all i wanted . for example... " chloe there was times where i felt more but itv was too late ! i had just come back from the phantom zone and you made it pretty clear to me that you wanted jimmy so i had to let you go. but you will always be special to me. what is wrong with that it's pretty much the same thing chloe said. she has no regrets for the love she had and she will always love him as her bff. i just think us chlark fans deserved to see clark hev some guilt some regret thats all any of us wanted. yes the dangling of the carrot is over . but we still never got any sign that clark cared for her... only lingering looks and hugs that took toolong and tsares of jealousy that will never be explained ...never. then they take chloe'smost vunerable moment and treat it as nothing but a metaphor for clark to love someone else . whatever im no longer watching lightswitches .i will wait for the dvd or watch on the net . im no longer watching live . this is one rating there not getting anymore.

it'snot about getting chlark it's about getting slapped in the face by ps3 and being told we don't care if you watch we don't need chlark fans .

i really love tom welling and he was the reason i watched up until season 8 . this season with all the stupid shipper spoilers giving false innuendo's about clark having regret made me think finally he will admit there was something.

then ps3 ghives us this and chloe saying she no longer feels that way ! BS ! i have had that kind of love the kind of love she had and it never dies ... you just move on with your life . but it';s always there . if soemone does not return your love you can love another but its never the same cause we areall differnt people it's impossible to love everyone the same . her love for clark was real it was not just a crush . yes she loves jimmy but never the way she loved clark. but honestly im happy for her ! she left go of a guy who could not value her and now she's marrying a terd ! someone who has to look to other women to feel better ... kara now maxima . no wonder why jimmy is not married in the comics !!!

[Atomic girl]

See I get the feeling that if Clark were to say that he missed his chance with Chloe, he might be worried that she might take that as encouragement. Clark wants her to move on because he thinks it will make her happy. He doesn't want to give her any reason to not move on.

[FlashInSV]

They shoulda waited until the wedding day for Jimmy to find it..


:lol::lol: You should write the script. It'd be hilarious to watch

[leothelion]

The way the Fever letter was handled was as poor a job of writing as I've ever seen on prime time television--it was horrible in terms of execution. I understand the sequence of events better now given what I saw in Plastique and now introducing the letter in Instinct. The show is drawing "lines in the sand".

Chloe gave Clark a last awesome opportunity to speak up before the wedding in Plastique. It hurts Clark to let her go, and Tom did a great job in revealing those emotions on screen in 8.02. They keep reiterating that Clark only wants Chloe to be happy. Now, they bring the letter back in 8.04 to show him in certain terms that Chloe's feelings for him were not only awesome but something beautiful and to be cherished--it's a sample of what he's been missing. Too late for him to come back now after the events of 8.02 and say "oh yeah, Chloe...I've changd my mind". "You are awesome". How shallow might Clark look to do that? It does make some sense in terms of the chronology of events. The execution was really really poor. I don't know that the Letter could've been reintroduced any more poorly than it was in Instinct....just horrible.

The show is obviously setting Clark up for a season of pining. It's going to burn. The show gave him a reasonable last chance in 8.02 to "speak now or forever hold his peace". He tried to do the right thing for Chloe, but what if he had known the true depths of her feelings in 8.02? Well, now he knows. So, the obvious set up isn't bad, but once again, the execution is as poor as I've ever seen in my life.

Clark's mind will be on Chloe even as Lois is developing feelings for him. Chloe is his soulmate, and now the show is actually showing him those feelings. It's going to burn as he watches Chloe step away from him under Brainiac's control.

Much of Chloe's behavior in this episode was OOC on different levels. Another area where the show is failing really, really, really badly right now is in delineating where Chloe's honest choices and actions leave off and the Brainiac influenced responses are kicking in. There are ways for the show to have done that, and they're clearly not getting this right. I can see parts of Chloe's behaviors in 8.04 as being Brainiac influenced, and I thnk the viewer is supposed to be getting that--the show is doing a poor job of delineating it.

Clark's concern over her Brainiac infection and realizing the power of Chloe's feelings for him are going to be heavily influencing his thinking ahead.

[Jory]

Better to leave the letter dead and forgotten, like so many other loose ends, than to dig it up and ruin in. Why bother to mention something PS3 has got to know is important to a lot of Chlark fans, just to pimp Clois and Chimmy? There are plenty of other, better way to support both of those ships if that is the direction the show is headed.

Memoria was ruined by Grulian and the Fever letter letter was ruined by Instinct. What is the next previously loved moment the show will dig up and shoot in the head? Maybe we will find out Jonathan was banging Nell on the side? Martha did have that affair with Lionel offscreen? Lex eats babies?Not so much. The movie division at Warner Brothers controls everything that happens on the show. The hierarchy, as I have always heard it, goes:

WB movie division > WB TV Division/CW Network > Catering Guys > Catering Guys' Pet Hamster > DC Comics

Al and Miles always said they talked to the folks at DC Comics, but the movie division have always been the corporate overlords. That is why Smallville almost got cancelled in season one (JJ Abrams was concerned about brand confusion), and why the show was finally able to use the FoS and Kryptonians in season five (Bryan Singer approved it).


Sadly there is still Abyss where PS3 will wipe away Chloe's memories, and render the Chlark friendship pointless. Just so Chloe can marry Jimmy while he kisses and flirts with other women. The question is, will any Chlark/Chloe fans still be watching?

PS3 should never have brought the "Fever" letter back. They basically crapped on Chloe and Chlark fans with this episode, and the future episodes of Abyss and Bride. I think it's clear that PS3 don't care about Chloe/Chlark fans at all, and have no respect whatsoever for the fans of the character of Chloe, and of the 'ship of Chlark. TPTB were just using fans of Chloe/Chlark for ratings and nothing else.

How can anyone say that PS3 are/were "pandering" to Chloe and Chlark fans is beyond me. TPTB are "pandering" to one 'shipper group, and it sure as heck isn't Chlark.

Just remember Chloe fans, according to Brian Peterson we'll be "happy with what happens to Chloe." Bullspit!

[All about Clark]

I like the way it was handled. I think it was needed for closure on several levels. First, that Chloe has moved on from Clark, second, that it can still come between Jimmy and Chloe at some point.

And I'm beginning to see that Jimmy has much concern over the fact that Chloe doesn't love him to the depths he thinks he deserves. Even though Chlark is finished, Jimmy will still have doubts.

[Titch22]

I thought it was handled well under the circuimstances. It was respectful of the feelings she once had. And of the friendship they now share. But also aknowledged that she had moved on and had put it behind her. They let them have a moment that was mature and adult. Their was a time and place when they could have been together but that time has passed. So you recognise that and move forward. And I really respect that.

[RedKRules]

Sadly there is still Abyss where PS3 will wipe away Chloe's memoeries, and render the Chlark friendship pointless. Just so Chloe can marry Jimmy while he kisses and flirts with other women. The question is, will any Chlark/Chloe fans still be watching?

PS3 should never have brought the "Fever" letter back. They basically crapped on Chloe and Chlark fans with this epiosde, and the future episodes of Abyss and Bride. I think it's clear that PS3 don't care about Chloe/Chlark fans at all, and have no respect whatsoever for the fans of the character of Chloe, and of the 'ship of Chlark. TPTB were just using fans of Chloe/Chlark for ratings and nothing else.

How can anyone say that PS3 are/were "pandering" to Chloe and Chlark fans is beyond me. TPTB are "pandering" to one 'shipper gropup, and it sure as heck isn't Chlark.

Just remember Chloe fans, according to Brian Peterson we'll be "happy with what happens to Chloe." Bullspit!

ITA !!!:cool::cool:

[All about Clark]

I have to say I can't fault TPTB for dangling the Chlark because they had excellent chemistry, but it's a new chapter now, and people have to realize that people move on. Chloe has moved on, and as well she should have, because one can't wait forever. It was destined to happen and I like how they did it. Chlark fans should have seen this coming the moment TPTB mentioned more Clois love action.

[Myrddin]

The whole point of bringing up the letter was for closure between Chloe and Clark. When she smiled and said "you blew it" - that is when I thought - for the first time- that Chloe was truly over Clark.

[darkone]

Yeah I'm just glad that Chloe came to peace with the fact that Clark chosed Lana over her and is now moving forward.I always disliked this underlying jealousy and crap.It's also nice that Clark learned from her that he answered the letter with Lana.I think it was a nice way to end this triangle.

[susangail]

The whole point of bringing up the letter was for closure between Chloe and Clark. When she smiled and said "you blew it" - that is when I thought - for the first time- that Chloe was truly over Clark.

It was clear to me as well. I'm still wondering how he'll tinker with Chloe's memory in "Abyss" -- if she's over him, she doesn't need a mind wipe. Is he going to wipe out her knowledge of his secret? How could he do that when it's woven itself through several seasons' worth of episodes? Can't wait to find out.

[Joelito]

For me, I didn't how was handle, but needed to ended some how...like Chloe said: "Move on"

[msjade16]

I have to say I can't fault TPTB for dangling the Chlark because they had excellent chemistry, but it's a new chapter now, and people have to realize that people move on. Chloe has moved on, and as well she should have, because one can't wait forever. It was destined to happen and I like how they did it. Chlark fans should have seen this coming the moment TPTB mentioned more Clois love action.

People moving on is not the issue here.

**We know they move on obviously, one can only pound us on the head with Clois anvils so much......that was not the problem.

**We know Chlark closure is needed obviously, Chlimmy and Clois pimping abound...... again, that was not the problem.

The problem was deliberately using the "Fever" letter to do it. It was a slap to a particularly fandom and THAT was the problem.

It should've stayed buried back in season 2. Moving on/closure could've been easily achieved without bringing it back which makes the real reason why they deliberately brought it back crystal clear to those of us who were paying attention.

[eas]

you are absolutely correct firebunny ! they used this letter as a metaphor for clois.

im not bashing !

they used it so they coukld put it in our faces for onece and for all that chloe and clark will never be and that the women standing in front of him ( in the barn ) is the one . im happy for the cloisers.

You're right - I do think that they ended up using the "Fever" letter as a metaphor for Clois. And I'm totally not taking it in a bashing way, because I know that it's hurtful for Chlark fans and - even as a Cloiser - I feel bad that they did that to you. While I've always, as a Cloiser, seen the irony in the letter (that he'll fly back to someone, but it'll end up being Chloe's cousin) I think for them to solidify it and devote an episode in hammering that in was in poor taste. Clois doesn't need to be viewed through the lenses of a letter from Chloe and friendship Chlark doesn't need to go through the "reveal" of the letter so late in the game.

[svtwamedfan05]

I'm fine with how it was handled. Quite frankly I could have done without that in the first place. But now that's its out of the way we don't have to worry about that or the past anymore.

[RedKRules]

You're right - I do think that they ended up using the "Fever" letter as a metaphor for Clois. And I'm totally not taking it in a bashing way, because I know that it's hurtful for Chlark fans and - even as a Cloiser - I feel bad that they did that to you. While I've always, as a Cloiser, seen the irony in the letter (that he'll fly back to someone, but it'll end up being Chloe's cousin) I think for them to solidify it and devote an episode in hammering that in was in poor taste. Clois doesn't need to be viewed through the lenses of a letter from Chloe and friendship Chlark doesn't need to go through the "reveal" of the letter so late in the game.

That is what pisses me off eas, they didn´t the freaking letter to pimp Clois, why torture and mistreat Chlakers like that? I know know they didn´t promise us anything but then why bring the letter back? just to break the rest of hope Chlarkers had on this show !

[AChloeChick]

All I'm able to say about this . . . I'm still FUMING! I was expecting some degree of desecration, but WOW, not to that degree.

[Fernandaflima]

I don't think that Chloe and Clark is over all the times that smallville is going throught a bad time they came up with more Chloe and Clark (friendship or love?) and It's gonna happen a episode with all Chloe and Clark flashbacks... and stuff I'll wait till that to say that Chloe and Clark are really over.

[eas]

That is what pisses me off eas, they didn´t the freaking letter to pimp Clois, why torture and mistreat Chlakers like that? I know know they didn´t promise us anything but then why bring the letter back? just to break the rest of hope Chlarkers had on this show !

Yeah, I know... trust me, I get it. I'm a Cloiser, but even I can see that this wasn't right. I was afraid this would happen when we first had the "Fever" letter spoiler.

[TWNik]

I have watched since Season 1, & It was handled Horribly, with the primary factor being the contrived Lois anvil insertion. That letter had nothing to do with her, & she is the one person who did know the extent of Chloe's love for Clark. She said repeatedly that Clark wasn't good enough for her. The last scene made EVERYONE look bad.

However Chloe is infected with Brainiac, so her actions are questionable to say the least. Also, there is NO way Clark doesn't understand the depth of her love for him, he said himself she goes "above & beyond friendship" for him.

It made Clark look bad, so no.. I think it was insulting how the Fever letter was used.

[Eeyore840]

The fact that she asked him to give her away (at first I'm like isn't her father alive????) I have come to realize that it can be a definate statement she is letting go from Clark and moving on with Jimmy. I mean what more symbolic then Chlark together him in his tux and her in her bridal gown just for her to peck him on the cheek and join Jimmy at the alter. Pretty powerful image if you think about it.


Yeah. It makes me want to vomit. :(

[AChloeChick]

It wasn't JUST used, it was DESECRATED!

[TWNik]

It wasn't JUST used, it was DESECRATED!

That letter was one of the most amazing Smallville scenes throughout the entire series, & the new showrunners - writers certainly did violate & degrade it, for meaningless & cheap anvils.

Badly done, very badly done.

[Vindellavon]

Nope, I despised it. It was atrocious, I was sickened. I was sad, on the verge of crying. I don't think I have the heart to continue.

[kris10]

how bout just going on with jimmy and chloe's wedding(bleck but whatever) when she started dating jimmy that is a step in moving on...yes i will marry you jimmy isnt that also a sign MOVING ON!!!!! they didnt need that letter to throw **** in our faces and shove it down our throats we KNOW lois and clark are going to end up together ****ING DUH!!!!!

[Jade4813]

^ Well, I agree and disagree with the assertion that there was no need for them to try at least to make a point that Chloe and Clark had both moved on. I think a large sector of the Chlark fandom had accepted that, though they hoped they were wrong, I'm sure. But another large sector of the fandom...well, this is the fifth year that Lois has been on the show, and people are still asking when Lois is going to die and Chloe will take on her name/role/etc.

I don't want this to get into a Chlois debate - at all - but the segment of Chlark fandom that wasn't the least bit convinced that Lois and Clark would end up together or that we know Chloe had moved on passed Clark and onto Jimmy because she's dated him for a while now and now they're getting married...or that Clark has moved on past the romantic feelings he had towards Chloe in the past...it's a very vocal group. How big the segment of Chlarkers/Chloisers are who, story notwithstanding, didn't believe (and may still not believe) that Lois and Clark end up together is, I don't know. But it is there, and it is very vocal.

I think a number of Chlarkers, maybe most of them for all I know, probably didn't need TPTB to do anything to show that Chlark wasn't going to happen. They'd hope it would, of course, but at the same time, they, as you said, "know Lois and Clark are going to end up together." But I'm not entirely sure that this is the segment of Chlarkdom that's the loudest and most heard, even if it is larger (I have no idea how many people fall into either group.)

I don't think TPTB had terrible intentions, I just think they had bad execution. I think they heavily underestimated the importance of that letter in Chlark fandom.

But I do think that their intentions were to give what a lot of Chlarkers said they wanted. That is, "Whether or not they end up together, FINE! Just make it clear that they will or won't and stop throwing bones to us if you're not going to follow through! If they're not going to do Chlark, I can deal with it, but they need to make it clear they're not, close the door, and let Chlark move on with just friendship!"

I do think that's what they were going for. IMHO, I think they picked the absolute worst way to close the door - it was unnecessary to use the letter. But I think they were trying, at least, to do what people were demanding. Stop with the games and come down one way or another on the issue. It seemed to me that they were trying to close that door and move Chlark forward together as just friends, without leaving this question between them of, "Would Clark have chosen to be with Chloe if only he'd known the depths of her feelings for him once upon a time?"

Again, I hate the way they did it. I think they could have done it much differently. OTOH, these are people known for using a machete when a scalpel will do, and I'm not entirely certain I can't see why they thought they needed to send a much stronger message than I think they really needed to send. After all, with as horrible as the letter was used last night, there are still, I'm sure, a large number of people who won't believe that there was any closure to be had, or that either party was telling the truth, or that Chlark isn't endgame. *shrugs* It's all a matter of interpretation.

I think they got the message that Chlarkers wanted closure and not to be teased any longer, and I think they tried to do what they could with it. I also think they just had a serious lapse of judgment there, because they didn't realize how important the Chlark letter was to Chlark fans.

Either way they went about trying to provide closure for Chlark, I'm sure there would be fans who would be pissed and fans that wouldn't buy it. *shrugs* I think that's inevitable. I think they thought that using the letter would provide closure for those Chlark fans who have held it up as proving that Clark would fly back to Chloe some day.

I think their intentions were simply to provide closure for Chlakers, and they had a serious, serious flaw in their execution of that plan. But the initial idea to provide closure in some way wasn't unwarranted, IMO, particularly given that even Chlarkers themselves (if a number of posts on this site are any indication) were crying for closure if Chlark wasn't going to happen. They should have just stayed the hell away from the letter when they closed that chapter of the book.

[Jory]

All I'm able to say about this . . . I'm still FUMING! I was expecting some degree of desecration, but WOW, not to that degree.

Get ready for Abyss. If you thought this was bad, I have a strong feeling that Abyss will be 100 times worse. I foresee an end to the Chlark friendship too. With PS3 having Chloe's memory being wiped, of what I assume will be Clark's secret and ruining the friendship in the process, I assume that ending the Chlark friendship is next on those people's list of things to do.

[Timester]

It was obvious why they brought the LETTER. The LETTER was used over and over againthe past to validate the Chlark. Yes, you all know what I'm talking about. So, logically, the LETTER would have to be used to closure up Chlark.

The execution was not bad, far from it.

[dimeo782002]

I know that there are some chlarkers out there that can be rude sometimes, and even annoying to the extreme, but they are not the majority. They are, in fact, a very vocal minority.

Most chlarkers are real nice people, and I don't think they deserve this kind of statement at all. In any case, be them rude or not, they still have the right to believe their ship should have happened, and to try to see things their way. All shippers do that all the time, in all shows.

I feel sorry for them, because they were victims of AlMiles teasing of shippers, when they had not intention of giving them anything. And though I understand that the new producers might want to do the complete opposite, and stop teasing fans by bringing these relationships closure (if that is, indeed their intention), they still might chosen another way of doing it.

I cannot speak for all of us but i think some of us just wanted to see a little regret from clark thats all.them not getting together is something i knew wasn't gonna happen this late in the game . Did i wish for it , ofcourse but i really just wanted to see clark feel a little sorry he let her go , thats all then they could bothe move on.Alot of us chlarkers have been called names and have been called delusional and that is not so i have lots of friends even other shippers who admit there was underlying sexual tension between them . So for me personally all i wanted was is a little wink to chlarkers saying okay clark did at one time want or think about romantic chloe lets move on. why should we be bashsed or put down for that. And i admit i have been rude before but only because certain attacks were made on me as a fan of chlark not for my opinion. there is mean and nice people all over this board and i think people should also take into consideration that sometimes people have a bad day and come here to get away from it and get treated rudly and unfairly by others.

i hope and pray i can get over this show cause it is completely unhealthy . it's television and im learning it's not wroth getting sick over . Im letting it go. I will no longer be a live watcher.:(

[KSiteTV]

Please don't talk about other fans in this thread, regardless of intention... talking about the story is good, talking about the fan groups = not so good.

[amberdawn]

Uh, nope. DC Comics still control everything that happens on the show.
Ok, I didn't mean that literally! I was just trying to make my point. :p

[AndiGirl]

I thought it was handled well under the circuimstances. It was respectful of the feelings she once had. And of the friendship they now share. But also aknowledged that she had moved on and had put it behind her. They let them have a moment that was mature and adult. Their was a time and place when they could have been together but that time has passed. So you recognise that and move forward. And I really respect that.

ITA
Chloe wasnt shy about the letter...didnt try to hide it, she was upfront. The only thing I didnt like about the letter was the fact that for the 100th time we didnt get to hear how clark felt. :\

I mean....would that have been so much to ask, for chloe to shut up for 10 seconds and let clark talk!! :lol:

[supergirl28]

Damn it Lana why did u throw away the letter when you had the chance. Jimmy wouldn't be questing Chole with that letter if she had

[TWNik]

Nothing about the way the Letter's reaction is legitimate or credible. CHLOE is infected by Brainiac, that negates her actions of being her own.

[ShelbyKent]

Chloe wasnt shy about the letter...didnt try to hide it, she was upfront. One of the reasons why I liked the scene. It beats the melodramatic, beat-around-the-bush style of the past seasons. What can I say, I'm an ADHD kind of viewer :\

My favorite line was when Chloe was said that she doesn't regret having had those feelings for Clark. And rightly so.Just because a full-blown romantic relationship didn't bloom between them, it doesn't mean that the those feelings/memories should be mourned or regretted. There's something to be learned from each relationship (even failed ones) and I think this applies to all SV couples (past and current).

The entire scene was handled in a very mature way. Our show is finally growing up :)


the fact that for the 100th time we didnt get to hear how clark felt. Didn't Clark say that he was happy for Chloe and Jimmy? I just forgot when he said it...

[dimeo782002]

okay i decided at my own disreguard to rewatch the episode. I have to say it is better the second time around. Being able to fast forward through commercials does help . Im seeing things i did not see the first time and a little clearer since the red haze of anger seems to be settling.

with that said , chloe completely cut clark off after she let him read it! he literally was in mid sentence when she cut him off and said it's allright i don't feel that way now , clark looks up looking almost hurt but i cannot be sure. but then she cuts him off again , as if she knew it hurt him by saying she does not regret ever having those feelings. clark cheers up but never gets to say his peace .

the thing i still do not like is clarks response to lois on how chloe had intense feelings and he did not know about it . that im sticking with as BS. but im seeing we may still get some acknowledgement from clark and that is all i want ! chloe can scream she loves jimmy on the hills with the sound of music , but i want something from clark, something clark has never given us and that is admission of feelings for chloe . then they move on yeah im happy . Im just tired of the denial and the longing looks but honestly i would miss them if they stopped lol !

so i will still watch smallville. plus i was so angry with the letter i completely blacked out the end where tess gets her email and the crystal is gone and the email is from X . i cannot believe in my fury i completely over looked this and then i remembered there is more to smallville then soulmates and lovers and anvils .

this thing with the crystal, lex missing is all some interesting stuff and a good enough reason to keep watching, but seriously im done watching live ... commercials suck it makes the show different. season seven and all the seasons are better with no commercials . so i will be most likely recording on vcr or watching on amazon.com for 1.99 per episode. but i really think im gonna take a vacation for a little till i hear something that i think is worth it , im really not sure . but i do know that letting a tv show get to me like this is not healthy.

it will be hard to get over chlark but i cannot abandon it all together . Yes im still pissed off but maybe just maybe i will get what i want and i think what i want from clark is realistic. not chalrk as a couple but him knowing what he lost ! just a sign that he wanted her and im happy .

i still don't think jimmy is for chloe . this is the second time he strayed . he had an oppourtunity to walk away from maxima and he did not drinking is not an excuse i have been over intoxicated to the point of poisoning and never did anything i did not want to . yes maybe took away my inhibitions like red k to clark but it never changed who i was and made me do somethiung i did not want to. that was a long time ago when in my 20's . but anyway , i still feel clark cares deeply for chloe , i just want a dam confession ! thats all. i don't like chloe with jimmy he has issues and i think clark gave him the benefit of the doubt because he does not want chloe hurt . plus that look at the hospital wtf ! thats what im talking about , it leaves too much for interpritation ( spelling ) was he thinking of chloe ? was he sad ? was he a little jealous ? was he angry at jimmy ? was he mad jimmy did this and was worried for chloe ? dam we just don't know do we ? why because da da da da ... no confession.

i was very upset last night and all of today and after viewing a second time im a little better .but i still don't llike the elevator scene. too much ...way too much... sorry . don't like that scene it is too over the top .

anyway back to chlark . This episode touched how chloe felt ... not so much clark ,he is dancing around everything like he always does and years of having to cover his secret from people he loves he is now a master mind at hiding emotion so maybe just maybe i will get what i want , remorse , regret or even admission .

i may still take a vacation from the show but i feel i may come back if i hear something good .good night my fellow chlarkers .
the fever letter will always belong to chloe and clark and no one else .

[Atomic girl]

I also watched it again today, and I have to admit that it wasn't as bad this time. But it still felt like bringing up the letter was unnecessary.

[TheAmazingApe]

Memoria was ruined by Grulian and the Fever letter letter was ruined by Instinct. What is the next previously loved moment the show will dig up and shoot in the head? Maybe we will find out Jonathan was banging Nell on the side? Martha did have that affair with Lionel offscreen? Lex eats babies?

Still more believable than not!baby.

This was a real kick in the teeth. They killed the Vessel kiss last season, having Chloe brush it off. Now the Fever letter bites it with another handy brush-off. Having characters casually shrug over moments with great emotional weight is not closure. It's a cop-out.

I vote they destroy Rosetta next. Virgil Swann was some kind of nutcase who was forming a secret cult around Clark before he was even born and... Oh, wait. They did that.


But, once I figured out how important it was, I DID think it was thoughtless for PS3 to bring this letter back in S8, when it could only be brought back for closure. I think that there did need to be closure on the Chlark 'ship (just like they closed Lollie and will, now, turn towards closing Clana) but to do it with this particular reference? It wasn't right and I don't blame Chlark fans for being angry about it. If they did this to Clois, I'd be angry, too.

The main problem is that the letter still, no matter how they shrug it off, was one of the main things that kept me Chlarking against all odds. It s a rich letter and a beautiful moment and, IMO, always reminded me why I thought Chlark belonged together. To take that moment, turn it on its ass and say it was just schoolgirl crushing and use it as a reason Chlark aren't right for eachother just.... does not compute.

Once again, Show. You want to Chlois. Don't drop ironic anvils and clunky lines about destiny, show me why it's right.

And if you don't want to Chlark, then don't use one of the main things that made me Chlark and say it's really about Chimmy and Clois. I'm sorry, but the Chlark relationship has consistently been supportive and caring and everything I want to see in a relationship.

I can't be told it doesn't work. I want to be shown why. And destiny and future aren't reasons why. They don't apply to the now. I need organic development.

I need a drink.

I can't even think traight, I'm still so pissed.

[msjade16]

Still more believable than not!baby.

This was a real kick in the teeth. They killed the Vessel kiss last season, having Chloe brush it off. Now the Fever letter bites it with another handy brush-off. Having characters casually shrug over moments with great emotional weight is not closure. It's a cop-out.

I vote they destroy Rosetta next. Virgil Swann was some kind of nutcase who was forming a secret cult around Clark before he was even born and... Oh, wait. They did that.



The main problem is that the letter still, no matter how they shrug it off, was one of the main things that kept me Chlarking against all odds. It s a rich letter and a beautiful moment and, IMO, always reminded me why I thought Chlark belonged together. To take that moment, turn it on its ass and say it was just schoolgirl crushing and use it as a reason Chlark aren't right for eachother just.... does not compute.

Once again, Show. You want to Clois. Don't drop ironic anvils and clunky lines about destiny, show me why it's right.

And if you don't want to Chlark, then don't use one of the main things that made me Chlark and say it's really about Chimmy and Clois. I'm sorry, but the Chlark relationship has consistently been supportive and caring and everything I want to see in a relationship.

I can't be told it doesn't work. I want to be shown why. And destiny and future aren't reasons why. They don't apply to the now. I need organic development.

I need a drink.

I can't even think traight, I'm still so pissed.

Thank You! So much WORD!

[Billy Jor-El]

TPTB will just use the cop out that the mythos is Lois & Clark, therefore they don't have to justify squat. We can see that Clark was indeed a bit hurt by Chloe saying she's over him now; we can see how well they work together; we can see Davis assume Chloe and Clark are an item; we can see Jimmy stray at the first ruffled feather....again....but since Lois and Clark are the history, they are "meant" for each other. Yeah, there were signs Lois actually does give a rat's a$$ who Smallville is sucking face with, but I'd really want to know what her take on her cousin hooking up with Clark would be. Guess we'll never know.

Yes, the show is better served up without the myriad of commercials!!!

[kris10]

yea i liked the look on lois's face when clark mentioned chloe's "intense" feelings did anyone notice that? OH YEA DID YOU FORGET LOIS? i think she did...until clark reminded her. nice.
what i mean by this crappy writing.

[Timester]

Again someone saying that AlMiles were Chlarkers...

Are you joking? AlMiles were the ones that gave us 7 YEARS OF CLANA. They are the responsibles of the Chlark not happening, not the PS3.

[Timester]

I'm definitely not getting in a discussion with you. I made the mistake of doing that before. All I'll say, and that's all I'll ever respond to you is this: I never said they were Chlarkers. All I did was raise questions. I believe the fever letter may have meant something to them, since they took the time to personally write it. Read into that how you will.

Sorry, you are on a public forum and when you state something that is dead wrong, then you should expect counter arguments.

If the letter was so important for them, they wouldn't take Chloe's spine on Season 2, they wouldn't make Chloe betray Clark because she was jealous, they wouldn't push Clana over Chlark over and over again, they wouldn't make Pod!Chloe (not my words), Tears of Suck, etc.?

What I can't do is stand and watch the twisting of Smallville history for the purpose of each shipping.

[Tommy'sGirl]

This is what I posted on the other Chlark never going to happen thread:

I re-watched Instinct just to get a handle on myself and Chlark. I was really disappointed with how the letter discovery played out. I was glad that she was able to talk openly with him about her past feelings, but I think she layed the "I'm over you now" stuff on pretty thick. I enjoyed the "you blew it bud" comment and that he is her BFF.

Now the bad part: She said, "I will never share what we have with anyone else." He looked a little forelorn while she explained that she was in love with Jimmy now and not him. He hinted just a little regret about not realizing Chloe's feelings for him while talking to Lois.

What does this mean to me? I think it is just another one of those transparent dangling carrots. I know in my brain that Chlark is never going to romantically flourish on the show, but my heart aches for them to get the chance. The writers love to toss false hope of romantic Chlark around by way of spoilers and subtle hints in the way they look at each other and things they say that can be interpreted as supressed feelings. Once the knife is firmly in place beween the ribs, they twist it vigorously by prematurely shoving Clois down our throats.

I know, as does everyone, that Clois gets the happy ending; however, Clois does not happen until AFTER Clark is Supes, flying around in tights. My sentiment is that as long as they aren't giving us the tights, they shouldn't be giving us the Clois. It just feels rushed to me.

I feel like Chlarkers deserve better closure than Chloe handing Clark the Fever letter and going, "yeah, I wrote this back when we were teenagers and I was madly in love with you, but I'm not anymore, so don't sweat it." It was total crap.

[Jade4813]

Yeah, you're right. Did she suddenly forget? She doesn't seem very focused on Chloe's feelings about Clark and the fever letter. After all, Lois is the one who told Chloe that she would be too good for Clark in the future because she'd be a big shot at the Daily Planet. Oh, wait, Lois took that spot from her. And then after Chloe got fired, she didn't even care. Instead she gave Clark an application. No reason to fight destiny, right? Even if it hurts the cousin she supposedly cares so much about. If Chloe can't work for the DP, then how come Lois won't help her write freelance with a pen name or something?

FIRST. When did Chloe ever need Lois's HELP to write freelance if that's what she wants to do? Is she incompetent? Did she get struck in the head with something when I wasn't watching and forget how to put pen to paper? Does she somehow not know that other papers exist? Has she been living in a bubble? Is she mentally unsound?

So you're saying that Chloe couldn't POSSIBLY get published freelance if she wanted without Lois's help? Well, that makes it seem like Chloe was never that much of a reporter, which couldn't possibly be what you mean and isn't even true.

If Chloe wanted to get published, she would. With or without Lois's help. If she's not doing it, it's because she doesn't want to do it. Should Lois twist her arm or tie her up or something until Chloe agrees to do something she doesn't seem inclined to want to do? Maybe publish FOR Chloe under Chloe's name? That's illogical.

And Lois did NOT take Chloe's spot. Notice they worked together for a year with no problems. Chloe got booted from the DP and didn't seem the LEAST inclined to want it back. Should Lois have quit in protest for Chloe to get back a job she didn't seem to want? Or maybe just set up a shrine on her cousin's old desk to mourn her cousin leaving a job she wasn't exactly fighting to get back (and hasn't fought to get back since).


And if Lois hates Chloe with Jimmy so much, then why doesn't she try and talk to Chloe about it? She knows Chloe still loves Clark, and that Jimmy has done some questionable things to Chloe in the past.

I think AM has said that Lois is trying to talk Chloe out of marrying Jimmy so fast in a future episode. And how, exactly should Lois know that Chloe still loves Clark? In all honesty? Have they talked about it since S4 and I've forgotten? And Chloe's engaged to another guy and seems to be perfectly happy to stay that way. Is Lois supposed to just know by LOOKING at Chloe, "Hmmmm...she looks like maybe she loves someone else. I know! Clark!"

For all Lois knows, Chloe's moved on. And it seems like that's a good assumption for her to make, because Clark seems to think she's moved on. Chloe seems to think she's moved on. But Lois is supposed to be like, "Yeah, I think she's lying" even though Chloe and Lois haven't talked about Chloe's feelings for Clark in years now?

Oh, and....to a point made previously...Just because Lois knew that Chloe loved Clark didn't necessarily mean she knew the depths of that feeling.


Chloe always went to Lana about marrying Lex. Why can't Lois do the same? Or is it because Lois just wants Clark for herself? Even though she knows Jimmy is bad for Chloe (he did spy on her and "actually" believed she could be a terrorist).

Maybe it's because she realizes that Chloe's no longer four years old and can make her own choices. Or, yeah, it could TOTALLY be because Lois wants Clark to herself. That makes...yeah...total sense in the context of the show. :rolleyes:

Besides, Lois telling Chloe not to marry Jimmy has NOTHING TO DO with Clark at all. Lois thinks Jimmy's a bad match for Chloe because of the deal with Lex. That was made clear this last episode. She'll apparently talk to Chloe about how she's moving too fast in an upcoming episode and maybe she should rethink the engagement.

People seem to want Lois to treat Chloe like she's incompetent when it suits them, but yet I bet if it wasn't within these very narrow confines of "Chloe's incompetent to deal with her romantic relationships" and "Chloe's incompetent to deal with her career" people would be saying that Lois was annoying and interfering, as they have this season with her talking to Clark. Girl just can't win.


I know if I found out my sister wrote a letter like that, and she was going to marry a guy she was settling with, I would at least bring it up, talk about her feelings. Of course the choice would be hers. But I wouldn't just go by without saying anything.

Lois didn't find out about the letter until the end of the episode, and she didn't read it even then. How do you know she's not going to bring it up next episode? Maybe that's the infamous spoiler about how Lois supports a Chlark pairing. Maybe she reads the letter - or at least asks Chloe about it - and comments on it being just that.

But, yeah, since we didn't see her FLY from the barn to the Talon to ask Chloe at the end of this last episode, Lois is terrible. No way that could possibly be addressed in next week's episode, even though we already have a spoiler that Lois "supports" Chlark, or however it's phrased.


How could Lois forget how Chloe feels about Clark? It doesn't make sense, unless she was pretending.

Again, she may know that Chloe LOVED Clark in the past, but that's like saying I know my best friend LOVED my brother in the past. Until they went on a date last week, I thought those feelings were IN the past and I certainly never thought they were that deep. I thought it was just a teenage crush.

[rogueslayer1985]

I completely agree with you my dear . = )
- it was brought up ,
and i was very excited about that .
but it defenitly could have been handle in a better way . ( y )
took the words out of my mouth . = )


it was handled badly, i wanted her to not want him to know and him to read it on his own. If they really are over then that gives me no reason to still watch the show, the show has been going down hill for a while and they were the reason i watched for ever. This is sucky! :mad:

[clarkbunny]

Wow, I can't believe so many people are so upset over the fever letter.

To be honest it is exactly like Chloe to skate over the issue the way she did and not give Clark a chance to voice his feelings. It is true that we have never really heard how Clark feels about Chloe apart from the one time when he spoke to Martha way back in season 2/3.

Clark has never been given the chance to say how he feels about Chloe and he has never given it a great deal of thought other things have always got in the way - namely his Lana obsession and Chloe herself.

I definitely got from their talk that Clark was disappointed/upset that Chloe doesn't feel that way about him any more. He never really got a chance to explore those feelings with Chloe and now he has missed his chance and she's marrying someone else. Clark can do nothing but be happy for her 'cos he cares about his best friend's happiness more than anything else and above his own feelings. It was a sad moment but I don't think it ruined the significance of the fever letter.

It was nice to see Chloe finally letting go of those feelings but I don't think we have quite seen the end of Chlark yet :D

[AndiGirl]

Again someone saying that AlMiles were Chlarkers...

Are you joking? AlMiles were the ones that gave us 7 YEARS OF CLANA. They are the responsibles of the Chlark not happening, not the PS3.

ITA. AlMiles were the ones leading us on for countless years. At least PS3 were tying to let everyone know "This relationship was a ratings plot....it's never going to happen...I'm sorry." They atleast tried to end it on a good note.

Though I didnt love the way it ended (I so badly just want to hear clarks feelings on the matter....the vessel kiss...all of that with Chloe remaining silent for once!!)
I do love that they at least were upfront about it....no more bull. :)

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Wow, I can't believe so many people are so upset over the fever letter.

To be honest it is exactly like Chloe to skate over the issue the way she did and not give Clark a chance to voice his feelings. It is true that we have never really heard how Clark feels about Chloe apart from the one time when he spoke to Martha way back in season 2/3.

Clark has never been given the chance to say how he feels about Chloe and he has never given it a great deal of thought other things have always got in the way - namely his Lana obsession and Chloe herself.

I definitely got from their talk that Clark was disappointed/upset that Chloe doesn't feel that way about him any more. He never really got a chance to explore those feelings with Chloe and now he has missed his chance and she's marrying someone else. Clark can do nothing but be happy for her 'cos he cares about his best friend's happiness more than anything else and above his own feelings. It was a sad moment but I don't think it ruined the significance of the fever letter.

It was nice to see Chloe finally letting go of those feelings but I don't think we have quite seen the end of Chlark yet :D

I agree...for once I just want to hear what clarks thoughts were all those years ago. I still want to hear them...that would have been true closer. While I know it will never happen..I just want to hear clark say "Yes, I wanted to be with you after the kiss we shared in the DP, but you wouldnt let me speak...and you already had Jimmy." That way I wont feel so crazy for holding on this long!! :lol:

[Jade4813]

I agree...for once I just want to hear what clarks thoughts were all those years ago. I still want to hear them...that would have been true closer. While I know it will never happen..I just want to hear clark say "Yes, I wanted to be with you after the kiss we shared in the DP, but you wouldnt let me speak...and you already had Jimmy." That way I wont feel so crazy for holding on this long!! :lol:

Well, but also bear in mind that this came at him somewhat out of left field, so it's possible he has to determine for himself what his feelings have been for Chloe. It seems pretty clear that he's been conflicted at best, and he needs to evaluate what his feelings for Chloe have been, separate from his feelings for Lana. That probably will take some time.

I wonder if this is something that will be addressed later, possibly in Abyss. While they're showing all these moments from Chlark's history, I wonder if this will help Clark figure out exactly what he HAS felt for Chloe.

I do think it would take thought. After all, for years now, Clark has had Lana blinders on. If he ever really, really recognized that he wanted Chloe more than anyone else, he'd have done something about it. Maybe not interfered with her relationship with Jimmy (if that was the point it hit him), but he probably would have at the very least dropped hints. He was pretty clear with Lana while she was with Lex (and everyone else under the sun) that he had feelings for her, so I could have seen a moment where he said, at the very least, "Chloe, do you ever wonder what would have happened...what there could have been between you and me if I ever...if we ever..." Feeling her out, so to speak, to see what she had to say on the matter.

Whether Clark has had feelings for Chloe in the past, I don't think it's something he necessarily is certain about. In "Crimson" he made it clear that he knew she'd had feelings for him and that she was his backpocket girl, but that doesn't really speak to whether he had FEELINGS for her; it speaks to the fact that a part of him always recognized that if it didn't work out with Lana, Chloe was there.

So I do think he needs to figure out what his feelings for Chloe have been, without the confusion that his Lana blinders put on him. I don't know if Clark is witnessing the memories in Abyss or if Chloe is, but if CLARK is witnessing them, that would be a good way for them to show him seeing the entire picture from OUTSIDE of it, with his Lana blinders off, and realizing what, exactly, he's felt for Chloe all these years. Whether he has really returned the feelings she had for him or whether he loves her but not in the way that she loved him. Or what.

[Timester]

ITA. AlMiles were the ones leading us on for countless years. At least PS3 were tying to let everyone know "This relationship was a ratings plot....it's never going to happen...I'm sorry." They atleast tried to end it on a good note.

Though I didnt love the way it ended (I so badly just want to hear clarks feelings on the matter....the vessel kiss...all of that with Chloe remaining silent for once!!)
I do love that they at least were upfront about it....no more bull. :)

Exactly.

Hell, I saw Clark showing more hidden feelings for Chloe in Instinct than on 7 years of AlMiles. Not AlMiles' type of teasing, but mature feelings.

[AndiGirl]

Well, but also bear in mind that this came at him somewhat out of left field, so it's possible he has to determine for himself what his feelings have been for Chloe. It seems pretty clear that he's been conflicted at best, and he needs to evaluate what his feelings for Chloe have been, separate from his feelings for Lana. That probably will take some time.

I wonder if this is something that will be addressed later, possibly in Abyss. While they're showing all these moments from Chlark's history, I wonder if this will help Clark figure out exactly what he HAS felt for Chloe.

I do think it would take thought. After all, for years now, Clark has had Lana blinders on. If he ever really, really recognized that he wanted Chloe more than anyone else, he'd have done something about it. Maybe not interfered with her relationship with Jimmy (if that was the point it hit him), but he probably would have at the very least dropped hints. He was pretty clear with Lana while she was with Lex (and everyone else under the sun) that he had feelings for her, so I could have seen a moment where he said, at the very least, "Chloe, do you ever wonder what would have happened...what there could have been between you and me if I ever...if we ever..." Feeling her out, so to speak, to see what she had to say on the matter.

Whether Clark has had feelings for Chloe in the past, I don't think it's something he necessarily is certain about. In "Crimson" he made it clear that he knew she'd had feelings for him and that she was his backpocket girl, but that doesn't really speak to whether he had FEELINGS for her; it speaks to the fact that a part of him always recognized that if it didn't work out with Lana, Chloe was there.

So I do think he needs to figure out what his feelings for Chloe have been, without the confusion that his Lana blinders put on him. I don't know if Clark is witnessing the memories in Abyss or if Chloe is, but if CLARK is witnessing them, that would be a good way for them to show him seeing the entire picture from OUTSIDE of it, with his Lana blinders off, and realizing what, exactly, he's felt for Chloe all these years. Whether he has really returned the feelings she had for him or whether he loves her but not in the way that she loved him. Or what.

Good thoughts Jade!!!
I agree...I do think Clark needs to think about it, and it did come at him rather suddenly. My only fear is...I dont think he will think about it. Clark truly belives Chloe and Jimmy are "meant" for eachother and he would never want to do anything to hurt her. So instead of addressing w/e feelings may be there...he will most likely push them back further thinking they dont matter because Chloe made it perfectly clear she doesnt feel that way anymore. The typical Chlark way of dealing with things. :rolleyes:

I do hope before the show ends clarks feelings are addressed...but I'm not holding my breath.

[Jade4813]

Seriously you took almost everything I said out of context, so get off your high horse. Almost your entire post was antagonistic toward me. I happen to think Chloe is highly intelligent. I was just running possible scenarios so BACK OFF. And don't put a bunch of words in my mouth.

I DO NOT think Chloe can't get a job on her own. I certainly think she can. I just don't understand why the writers are destroying Chloe's dream. I think it's the WRITER'S fault Chloe isn't doing anything, that is if you read what I wrote under context. It seemed you just focused in on what I was saying about Lois doing something about it. IMO I think she should, and I thought Lois handled Chloe getting a fired a little insensitively, but again that is the WRITER'S FAULT.

And I'm not talking about possible spoilers that haven't happened, that's for speculation threads, I was talking about what's happened so far. And SO FAR Lois hasn't said anything.

And I also said that it is Chloe's choice. So, don't tell me what I said or what I meant or what I was thinking. I think the last thing you could possibly get from my post is that Chloe is an idiot. I think the writers are handling Chloe's future with idiocy.

I found your entire thread to be an attack. So, why don't you back off. Perhaps you're angry I don't like how they've written Chloe and Lois lately. FINE. But don't put words in my mouth and go ahead and roll your eyes all you want.

Hey, I wasn't putting any words into your mouth. You asked things like, to quote you, "If Chloe can't work for the DP, then how come Lois won't help her write freelance with a pen name or something?" and my point is, why should LOIS have to help Chloe do anything? Rather, the question is, why don't the writers show Chloe trying to get published under a penname or, hell, under her own name at another paper. Why does Lois have to be included in the conversation at all? IMO, Lois has, and in fact should have, absolutely nothing to do with Chloe's chosen career.

I don't think that you think Chloe's an idiot (thus my comment, "which couldn't possibly be what you mean and isn't even true" - showing that your argument would imply that you think this way but I didn't really believe that you ACTUALLY thought this way). I was pointing out that when you say, "If Chloe can't work for the DP, then how come Lois won't help her write freelance with a pen name or something?" the implication is that Chloe can't do it herself or that somehow it would require Lois to push Chloe in that direction. At the very least, that Lois is a terrible person for NOT trying to get Chloe to publish under a penname, but how can that be when, as you say, Chloe is perfectly intelligent and capable, and, thus, if it's something she wants, there's no way she wouldn't or couldn't go after it.

I'm perfectly happy with how they've written Chloe AND Lois lately, so maybe you shouldn't make assumptions, dearie. ;) I was debating the points you made as I think they were fundamentally flawed for the reasons I pointed out. In any event, for me to speculate on why you took my post the way you did is as against the rules as you speculating on why I argued against the points you made.

I think your arguments were flawed and I responded to them. End of story; no horse of any kind in sight. I don't know if one of us in this back-and-forth is angry at how things are going this season or how characters are being written, but I can assure you that if so, that person isn't me.

[SnowBird]

It was okay to bring the letter up again so Chloe and Jimmy could go on with their wedding without Jimmy having doubts about Chloe's love. I'm just tired of Jimmy being so insecure. It was the writers way to go forward with future relationships even though it was not a popular decision by all. Color me oblivious when it comes to the minds of shippers. I had no idea it would be so upsetting to have some truth spilled out in this episode. Never to old to learn something new. I'm glad I'm a Clark fan and don't get uptight about his love life.

[Eeyore840]

...What I can't do is stand and watch the twisting of Smallville history for the purpose of each shipping.


I don't think people twist the history of Smallville to suit their own "ship" purposes. We all interpret things differently. And for whatever reason, there is a group of people out there who are having a hard time dealing with the turn of events on Smallville, and they have my sympathy. If the writing on this show hadn't been mediocre to begin with, we may have had clearer storylines and a better understanding of where this journey was going. That isn't too much to expect of a show that has been on the air for 7 seasons. Now we have a rush to put the characters in their "iconic" roles in what may be the last season, and it makes no sense to many based upon what we have seen thus far. I don't always agree with the opinions I read on this board, but I can respect the feelings of the people making them.

[AndiGirl]

Everyone needs to calm down...it's getting a little intense in here. :\

[Jade4813]

It was okay to bring the letter up again so Chloe and Jimmy could go on with their wedding without Jimmy having doubts about Chloe's love. I'm just tired of Jimmy being so insecure.

I agree, but given that Jimmy didn't know about the letter, I don't think they had to use the letter to do it. I think they just needed to stop giving Jimmy reasons to doubt Chloe's love for him. As annoying as his insecurity is, there has been reason for it in the past; given that Jimmy doesn't know about Clark's secret, how else is he supposed to interpret things when Chloe makes it clear she's willing to drop everything at a moment's notice to be with Clark but not him?

They didn't need to dredge up the past to have Jimmy confront it in order for him to have security in their relationship. They just needed to have Chloe make a choice that she'll prioritize her life differently and live up to it.

[TheAmazingApe]

They didn't need to dredge up the past to have Jimmy confront it in order for him to have security in their relationship. They just needed to have Chloe make a choice that she'll prioritize her life differently and live up to it.

I personally hope this thows more of a wedge in the Chimmy than we saw. Not just because Chimmy makes me fall dead asleep. But because two people this young with no real stability in their lives should not be getting married. Also, Jimmy Olsen is never a divorcee or widower in Futureville. This is just silly and I can't believe they're doing it.

So it just adds insult to injury, IMO, that they use the Fever letter to forward this wedding stupidity and to toss more anvils on the extremely rushed Clois.

[Jory]

While I think it's good that Chloe has moved on, I don't think TPTB should've used the letter to do that. They should just show the fans that she has moved on with no hurt looks etc. I hope that TPTB won't revert to Chloe still loves Clark, because that just teases Chlark 'shippers (and annoys a lot of fans) and that's a horribly mean thing to do.

TPTB have shown that Chloe's moved on, and hopefully it'll stay that way. I also hope TPTB don't ruin the Chlark friendship.

[TheAmazingApe]

There's no way not to ruin the Chlark friendship at this point. They've gone from attached at the hip to at odds in the next three eps, which will progress to Clark letting Chloe lose some memories of him. The only thing I personally see ahead for Chloe is a self-sacrificing death or for her to completely leave Clark for good. I don't want to see Chlark together without that closeness and scoobying, sort of a shadow of their former friendship. They've been having, IMO, an emotional affair on both their signficant others these last few years, essentially trusting only each other with their deepest secrets and no one else. They can't go on like that and be in relationships. Chlark has to end, by death or otherwise. I'm just saddened that we never got to see a romantic Chlark arc before that happened. It's just a waste of potential.

[Eeyore840]

There's no way not to ruin the Chlark friendship at this point. They've gone from attached at the hip to at odds in the next three eps, which will progress to Clark letting Chloe lose some memories of him. The only thing I personally see ahead for Chloe is a self-sacrificing death or for her to completely leave Clark for good. I don't want to see Chlark together without that closeness and scoobying, sort of a shadow of their former friendship. They've been having, IMO, an emotional affair on both their signficant others these last few years, essentially trusting only each other with their deepest secrets and no one else. They can't go on like that and be in relationships. Chlark has to end, by death or otherwise. I'm just saddened that we never got to see a romantic Chlark arc before that happened. It's just a waste of potential.


Your point about an emotional affair is a good one. And you are right, that can't continue if they are to have successful relationships with others. It shouldn't have been done at all if there was no intent to explore the relationship between Clark and Chloe.

[BULLITT]

She was 15 - Get over it.

[RedKRules]

Yeahhhhh but looks like the TPTB didn´t did they? If they had, they wouldn´t had brought up this letter again! but I should have known better that they love to raise things from the dead!

[batfinx]

Two days later and I'm still just as pissed. I mean, I agree with the person who said they desecrated the letter.

The worst of the whole thing is that they used the words of the letter to promote Clois. Chloe's words!!!!!

This is hyperbole. To desecrate something means to take something sacred or holy and make it profane. Chloe's mash note from Fever was neither sacred nor holy and to tell the truth there were people who didn't even remember it at all. Nor was it used to promote Clois. This was about Chloe specifically and about almost every other person in the world in general. Most of us who thought we were madly in love with someone at age 15 or 16 didn't end up with that person when we grew up, especially if it was an unrequited crush as was the case with Chloe's crush on Clark, or even Pete's crush on Chloe.


The writers know how important the Fever letter was. They just don't care about this particular fan base. They want the Clois and Superman fans and that's it.

This is one of the reasons I have no sympathy on this issue. Anyone coming into the Superman myth knows how it goes. They can try and circumvent it for the sake of their ship, like Clana fans wanting to "rock the myth" so that Lana Lang becomes the destined love interest instead of Lois Lane, or a faction of Chlark shippers creating the Chlois theory so that Chloe gets the destined love interest spot, but neither is going to happen. This isn't about attracting Clois or Superman fans, it's about the myth and its characters finally hitting their legendary markers.


They hope to bring in "new" viewers as they continue to lose some of the old because Smallville is now closer to Superman. This shows they do not care about the loyal fanbase of this show.

They're not going to change a 70 year myth for a fan base. Clexers were a loyal and much larger fan base and TPTB didn't turn Clark and Lex into lovers to accommodate them :lol:


Also, did anyone else notice how the show changed direction when the WB became the CW? It could be that studio heads told the showrunners that they want it to be more about Lois Lane. I mean once season 6 started, ED, TW and MR were who they advertised. I find it pretty insulting that they didn't include much of KK and absolutely no AM in the CW show promos

Of course it couldn't possibly be that by season 6 they wanted to emphasize a move towards the future and letting go out of the past, right?


My guess, CW execs probably scared Al and Miles away. And perhaps they couldn't really do what they wanted anymore. I mean, everyone knows that there is a big difference between the episode "Vessel" and the episode "Zod." Coincidence? I'm not so sure.

Personally, I think the direction of the show really changed in the beginning of s4, after the whole Superboy lawsuit. That's when they brought in Lois Lane so they could prove that it wasn't Superboy. And how come Al Gough and Miles Millar stopped writing episodes for the series for the most part once season four started? HMMMMM. Perhaps it is because they had to take their "plan" in a direction they didn't want. Maybe not, but it's still kind of strange.

This is unintentionally funny. In one breath you acknowledge that from season 4 forward, Gough/Millar didn't write a single episode except for Crusade and then in the next breath you ask what the motive might have been for them leaving.


How else can they explain taking a character like Chloe, and taking away her dream? The end of the Fever letter, the end of her career as a journalist at the DP, the end of any career at this point, the end of Chloe and Clark romance (soon it will be the end of their friendship probably) all signify a negative message to the audience. In particularly the younger female audience. Hey girls, remember what your daddy taught you about the two types of girls? The ones you grow out of (the pretty, popular girls in school), and the ones you grow into (you; real love based on something deeper than physical attraction). Well, your daddy was WRONG.

Gabe's comment to Chloe, that she put in her note, was a simple statement that there are girls that guys grow out of and girls guys grow into. It's about growing up. It's about the difference in needs between a teenager and an adult. What her dad should have told her is that you cannot force a guy to love you if he doesn't have those kind of feelings for you.


Also, this message shows that the girls who work their BUTTS off to reach their dreams, will get nothing. They won't get their dream job. They will instead get the opposite of what they ever wanted. Instead, it's the people who don't work and use their bodies to get ahead, are the ones who will always win. The big corporations will always stomp the underdog. All the hard work you will do WON'T pay off because you're either DESTINED to reach your goals or not. Hard work means nothing.

When Chloe had her ambitious dreams of being a top DP reporter as a young teen, she did not know the truth about Clark. When she did find out the truth, the die was cast for her altered future. She made the choice to be his sidekick and so she was relegated to filler stories, which didn't require her to go out and investigate, track down leads, make calls or interview people. It was about how much time she had to do either task and not having enough of it to be the best in both fields.


Well anyway, back to the Fever Letter, by crapping on it, Smallville will teach you that True Love is pointless. Instead, you will learn to settle and marry the first guy who pays any attention to you. Because that's how life is.

True love goes both ways, not someone crushing on somebody else who doesn't feel the same way about them. Was what Pete felt for Chloe true love? It was equally unrequited by her. Did she crush his dream?


In Smallville, neither Lois and Clark have a degree, any classes in journalism, never interned, etc...Whereas, Chloe, in relation to the Fever Letter, will never be able to "fly away" into her dreams because it's her destiny despite the fact that she's worked toward being a journalist her WHOLE life. She's interned, taken classes, worked up from the basement, etc...But no, the people who don't work at all get everything while she gets crapped on.

This is simply false. Unlike Chloe, I actually see Lois going out after stories for the Planet. Chloe did a lot of investigating but ninety-nine percent of the time it was for something Clark wanted, not for the Daily Planet. It became a problem for both of them. It made Clark complacent, believing he could always take the easy way out by getting all his answers from Chloe rather than getting them for himself.


What's the point of Chloe saying, I hope one day you'll fly back to me, when all Clark is going to do is fly back to her COUSIN? What was the point of writing it in the first place? Unless, there was a different intention for it when it was first written.

It's fairly easy to see the original intention of the Fever letter. It built up the Chloe jealousy arc in season 2 so that when Chloe betrayed Clark to Lionel over Lana, it would be believable because by that infamous moment we'd seen Chloe starting to fume and obsess more and more over Clark's preference for Lana.


Or they were trying to do idiotic dramatic irony. HA HA! Chloe, we're laughing at you, because once Lois entered we knew he was going to fly to Lois and not you. HA HA!

That's not even dramatic irony, it's merely fact, whether Lois showed up on the series or not, she was going to be the one he falls for. Chloe was never going to be his destiny.


And what about that scene in the vampire episode of season 5 when Chloe starts working at the Daily Planet? Chloe starts to work in the DP in the basement, and she says she has nowhere to go but up, up and away?

Well, she's 'away', that's a fact :D

[RedKRules]

Damn it Lana why did u throw away the letter when you had the chance. Jimmy wouldn't be questing Chole with that letter if she had

I agree, Lana should had burned it!! The way they handled it was so poorly done!

[kris10]

I agree, but given that Jimmy didn't know about the letter, I don't think they had to use the letter to do it. I think they just needed to stop giving Jimmy reasons to doubt Chloe's love for him. As annoying as his insecurity is, there has been reason for it in the past; given that Jimmy doesn't know about Clark's secret, how else is he supposed to interpret things when Chloe makes it clear she's willing to drop everything at a moment's notice to be with Clark but not him?

They didn't need to dredge up the past to have Jimmy confront it in order for him to have security in their relationship. They just needed to have Chloe make a choice that she'll prioritize her life differently and live up to it.

ita with the part about the letter they didnt need to use it...i do think the issue is not over(see next weeks episode description 1st sentence)

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I agree, Lana should had burned it!! The way they handled it was so poorly done!

i thought she took it..wasnt it in her desk or the garbage(where it belonged)damn that girl always mucking it up :):) just kidding round

[dimeo782002]

Oh, and....to a point made previously...Just because Lois knew that Chloe loved Clark didn't necessarily mean she knew the depths of that feeling.

in response to this phrase....

Lois did too know how chloe felt for clark ! um when chloe made that video before her death she made it out to clark , thats the whole reason lois went looking for clark . thats a sure sign trust.
then lois made more than one comment to chloe over the years about don't give one for thought to those vancant baby blues , and at the prom lois looked chloe right in the face and seen the jealousy ! lois knew that chloe loved clark. Lois was always defending chloe when it came to clark and lois was always trying to help chloe feel better about clark not wanting her .

lois is family , they are related ,if my cousin was even thinking about going out with a man i felt that way for she better talk to me first . or she is no longer my cousin.

i think people need to put themselves in other people's shoes instead of putting everything in to mythos and legend and destiny . we need to see story progression as why two people should be together not be told.

besides this thread is about the fever letter . not the lois chloe relationship but to make a point lois knew how much clark met to chloe . although she may assume chloe is over clark she should still talk to her ! they are blood, they are family . but it won't matter chloe saw this coming in devoted . at the water tank dunk , chloe knows her cousin and so do we !

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There's no way not to ruin the Chlark friendship at this point. They've gone from attached at the hip to at odds in the next three eps, which will progress to Clark letting Chloe lose some memories of him. The only thing I personally see ahead for Chloe is a self-sacrificing death or for her to completely leave Clark for good. I don't want to see Chlark together without that closeness and scoobying, sort of a shadow of their former friendship. They've been having, IMO, an emotional affair on both their signficant others these last few years, essentially trusting only each other with their deepest secrets and no one else. They can't go on like that and be in relationships. Chlark has to end, by death or otherwise. I'm just saddened that we never got to see a romantic Chlark arc before that happened. It's just a waste of potential.

i have been saying this for the last four years ! i always felt that chloe to show her undying love would be to die for him , then he would know how much he loved her and it is true they have been having a emotional affair for years even when they were in relationships.these two shared an intimacy that they could share with anyone else . all that was missing was sex thats it . for this to be over i hate to say it.... possible death ! atleast we would get that clark loved her once even if it was too late and would explain why chloe is not in futureville. it's a shame chloe outdid all the women on smallville. i wish she would have become lois lane by pen name to avoid the luthors but at season four it was too late cause they brought in lois the cousin. i do like lois but i like chloe better. anyway what they did to the fever letter just was wrong !

[batfinx]

lois is family , they are related ,if my cousin was even thinking about going out with a man i felt that way for she better talk to me first . or she is no longer my cousin.

That should be an interesting conversation. "Mrs. Olsen, can I go to the movies with Clark?" :D Come on, Chloe is engaged to Jimmy, wouldn't that be a big neon sign that who Clark dates, even her cousin, is none of Chloe's business?

[abbaspice1]

^^^
I would think so.

[dimeo782002]

That should be an interesting conversation. "Mrs. Olsen, can I go to the movies with Clark?" :D Come on, Chloe is engaged to Jimmy, wouldn't that be a big neon sign that who Clark dates, even her cousin, is none of Chloe's business?

she is not married yet ! let my cousin go out with my ex now while im married now as well and i would still be upset. i would rather she has the balls to say something that i can respect. honeatly i think chloe would be okay it is just respect . this was not a crush it was serious for chloe .

im not changing my mind . i did not say chloe should be pissed i said if it were me if it were my cousin i would want her to have the balls to say hey i know you had strong feelings for this person once . im feeling soemthing for him now . it's simple respect but i guess this generation doesn't love or respect family its the same if it were your sister its blood . im not saying don't go out with him , imsaying have balls ! lol geez everything has to be an argument around here LMAO !:D

[abbaspice1]

BTW, it reminds me of my brother.

My brother and his ex broke up over 2 years ago. A guy who knew my brother (but they aren't friends) ask the ex out recently. My brother had a fit. "This guy knows me! He knows we have a kid together! It is major disrespect!"

I ust looked at my brother. I still don't understand why it is disrespect. Nor do I understand why Lois needs permission from her cousin (who is NOW ENGAGED) to fall for Clark? It is not like she can control who she falls for anyway.

[Minela]

batfinx, you need an appropriate avi to go along with those great posts. ;)

[OneShotClois]

That should be an interesting conversation. "Mrs. Olsen, can I go to the movies with Clark?" :D Come on, Chloe is engaged to Jimmy, wouldn't that be a big neon sign that who Clark dates, even her cousin, is none of Chloe's business?

I totally agree. I don't even think Lois knows Chloe feels that strongly about Clark, so why ask for her permission? Besides, like you said, Chloe is engaged to Jimmy so if Lois still needs to ask for permission to go out with Clark, then you know there is seriously something wrong.

I feel bad for all you Chlarkers, I know a lot of you weren't happy with how the Fever Letter was handled..I think it could have been handled so much better.. and Jimmy needs to get over his insecurities about Chloe & Clark.. but I guess he has a reasons= to be insecure for example; Chloe admitting to Jimmy Clark was her first love.. but seriously, if I was that insecure with my boyfriend as he was with Chloe, I would have never got engaged in the first place, but that's just my opinion.

[Minela]

she is not married yet ! let my cousin go out with my ex now while im married now as well and i would still be upset. i would rather she has the balls to say something that i can respect. honeatly i think chloe would be okay it is just respect . this was not a crush it was serious for chloe .

im not changing my mind . i did not say chloe should be pissed i said if it were me if it were my cousin i would want her to have the balls to say hey i know you had strong feelings for this person once . im feeling soemthing for him now . it's simple respect but i guess this generation doesn't love or respect family its the same if it were your sister its blood . im not saying don't go out with him , imsaying have balls ! lol geez everything has to be an argument around here LMAO !:D

Let's for a second assume Lois comes to Chloe and tells her she is starting to have feelings for Clark, and let's assume Chloe says flat out she'd be very uncomfortable having Lois date her first love. What should Lois do? Back off?

[OneShotClois]

Let's for a second assume Lois comes to Chloe and tells her she is starting to have feelings for Clark, and let's assume Chloe says flat out she'd be very uncomfortable having Lois date her first love. What should Lois do? Back off?

If I were Lois i'd be confused.. Chloe's engaged but she's acting like she still hasn't gotten over Clark - I mean, they didn't even date so it's not like she'll be dating Chloe's ex.. and Lois even asking Chloe for permission is bizzare.. She really has no reason to :p

But if Chloe told Lois to back off, considering the type of person Lois is, she probably would :lol:

[abbaspice1]

^^^

And if that happens, some people would say that Chloe is being very selfish.

She can't have him, so no one else can.

And I don't want Chloe to appear that way.

[dimeo782002]

BTW, it reminds me of my brother.

My brother and his ex broke up over 2 years ago. A guy who knew my brother (but they aren't friends) ask the ex out recently. My brother had a fit. "This guy knows me! He knows we have a kid together! It is major disrespect!"

I ust looked at my brother. I still don't understand why it is disrespect. Nor do I understand why Lois needs permission from her cousin (who is NOW ENGAGED) to fall for Clark? It is not like she can control who she falls for anyway.


omg ! i never said she needed permission and your brothers situation the guy was not even a close friend ! this is family it is blood ! i said balls not permission . hey i like clark i hope it don;t hurt you but i love him whatever its respect.

i guess when my ex love asked my best friend to the movies and she said yes i had no right to be pissed ! after all we were through right ??? if she would have come tome it would have been better instead of just being sneaky i have been in this situation so i have worn lois shoes and i did the right thing ! i care about people not just myself.

what ever if it was another chracter and chloe did this to her you all would be singing a different tune and im turning on my ignore list . i don't need arguments to my opinions . we all have the right to our opinions here. so you keep yours lets see if your cousin dates your brothers ex and see if you like it , no one here wants to admit they areargiung with me because it's chloe im defending. family is family , i never said she needed permission it's about being honest not sneeky . that makes it dirty be honorable and say hey im goin with him if you like it or not i just wanted to respect your past and our relationship to be honest . but either way i love /like this man. family and friends should have a certain amount of respect for the people they should care for. but now i see what is wrong with the world today and it is sad . no one can help who they fall in love with and i did date a friends ex but i spoke to her first , because i have a heart and don't just care about myself . so i guess im just a decent person.

[Minela]

Well than, Chloe has no business hoping to go out with Clark since he was dating and living with her best friend. A girl she considered her sister (as per the family tree in season two I believe).

[kris10]

thinking it and doing it are two different ball parks....i can have feelings for someone and b/c they are my bestfriend i dont act on it...i have been attracted to someone that was my friends boyfriend so does that make me bad too?

[dimeo782002]

Well than, Chloe has no business hoping to go out with Clark since he was dating and living with her best friend. A girl she considered her sister (as per the family tree in season two I believe).

i did not say that lois needed permission for the one millionth time . well that works both ways and if you read my post it'snot about it being okay with the other person it's about having the respect of someone you say you care for so yeah it should be that way with chloe and lana as well. and your point being ???

your trying to make it seem like im bashing lois and im not ! i was speaking in general and that they arefamily and no one seems to care about that and yes if chloe and clark were to hook up then mentioning it to lana before seeing it would be nice . i guess you thought my opinion was one sided ... good bye... stop attacking because someone does not agree with you . going to ignore list....

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thinking it and doing it are two different ball parks....i can have feelings for someone and b/c they are my bestfriend i dont act on it...i have been attracted to someone that was my friends boyfriend so does that make me bad too?

mo i never said that why are you people attacking me ! did you read my whol;e post or only what suited you ? i dated one of my friends ex's but i went to her first cause i loved her she is still my friend 15 years later and i was honest with her because i care about her feelings and if she would have said no i would have listened to her , now i have had enough about this conversation. im leaving till things get normal and civil. i see im not welcome here

[Jade4813]

thinking it and doing it are two different ball parks....i can have feelings for someone and b/c they are my bestfriend i dont act on it...i have been attracted to someone that was my friends boyfriend so does that make me bad too?

No, but this is where that entire line of thought gets murky.

You could say all Chloe did was think about it and not act on it because Lana was her friend and so she wouldn't want to betray Lana, her quasi-sister, by acting on feelings for Clark.

But then if ALL Chloe's done is think about it and act on it, how much control should she have over who Clark dates or doesn't date? At what point is the line where "you MUST ask permission!" drawn?

I get the argument; it's just an intellectual exercise. Because it seems we're stuck in a murky argument here. If Chloe can be said to have acted on her feelings for Clark, then any demand she would make that her permission be given before anyone else act on feelings for Clark is, at best, hypocritical. I don't remember her asking Lana. :\ (Why, oh why, oh why...) No matter how you cut it, Chloe would look bad by making a demand that someone ask her permission or getting mad that someone didn't - Lana was, as was pointed out, "like a sister" to her and yet she wasn't going to Lana with hat in hand at any point when she was trying to get Clark to notice her.

If you can say that Chloe should still be asked because she thought about it but didn't act on it, is there an amount of time one must spend thinking about it before this requirement is triggered? Is there a depth of feeling you have to have for it to be triggered? Does that depth of feeling need to be expressed to outside parties, or is it a strict liability, "You should know or you die" kind of offense?

It seems problematic to me.

[eas]

I agree with Dimeo. At some point, Lois is going to have to "confess" her feelings for Clark to Chloe. Dimeo is not saying that Lois has to get "permission" from Chloe... she's just saying that Lois has to get everything out in the open and address the white elephant in the room with Chloe.

Regardless of whether or not Chloe still has feelings for him (and I think she doesn't) or whether Clark has feelings for Chloe or ever did (I think he never did), it doesn't matter.

Chloe is Lois's cousin and one of her best friends. The only respectful thing for Lois to do is to be honest with Chloe and say, "I know that this is a man you once had intense feelings for, but I think I'm falling in love with him. I wanted you to hear it from me."

Chloe will, no doubt, be supportive. It seems to me that she's already pretty supportive and is actually just waiting for Clark and Lois to acknowledge something (based on her convo with Clark in "Toxic"). And she's over Clark and getting married. She may be a bit weirded out that her high school crush is now involved with her cousin, but she's not going to stop them. But she WILL be hurt if they try to hide it from her or if Lois is not honest with her. And she would have every right to be.

Back when I was in college, a very good friend of mine was madly in love with a mutual friend of ours. Like she would call me and spend hours & hours talking about him... analyzing everything he said to her, down to the timber of his voice when he said hello. In the beginning, I found it amusing, but - after awhile - I realized that I was beginning to develop a crush on the guy and then I started freaking out. I started avoiding him and when my friend would want to talk about him, I'd get really quiet and try to change the subject. The problem was that the more I avoided the guy, the more he would seek me out. It soon became apparent that he didn't have feelings for HER, but - rather - he had them for me.

Um... long story short... he's now my husband and she & I aren't friends any longer. I should have talked to her about it, openly, and I never did. So, I lost that friendship. One of my biggest regrets, actually, and something I chalk up to being too young. Because it was wrong for me to hurt her like that.

So, in this particular example, Lois should definitely get everything out in the open, because she loves Chloe like a sister. And sisters don't do that to each other.

I don't think, however, that Lois owes that same courtesy to Lana. Just to clarify. :D

[ginnyfan]

I re-watched Instinct just to get a handle on myself and Chlark. I was really disappointed with how the letter discovery played out. I was glad that she was able to talk openly with him about her past feelings, but I think she laid the "I'm over you now" stuff on pretty thick. I enjoyed the "you blew it bud" comment and that he is her BFF.

Tommy'sGirl your post is closest to how I felt about the fever letter. I enjoyed the scenes between Chloe and Clark. I enjoyed how it played out... not Jimmy's behavior afterward, but what it meant for Chloe. I did think that Chloe did a whole lot of talking after Clark read the letter... it almost seemed that he couldn't get a word in edgewise. But I enjoyed her "you blew it but" comment too and her statement that Clark is her BFF.


Now the bad part: She said, "I will never share what we have with anyone else." He looked a little forelorn while she explained that she was in love with Jimmy now and not him. He hinted just a little regret about not realizing Chloe's feelings for him while talking to Lois.

I am a Cloiser... and though Chimmy is on the ropes for me right now... I'm still hoping that things will get back on track for them but I agree. I noticed how much Chloe was talking and... Clark was mopey faced right after reading the letter... then by the end of her spiel Clark was happy faced. 1: She reassured him that she is happy. She was joking and teasing and not needing him to comfort her or feel sorry for her. 2: She reassured him that he was still a huge and important part of Chloe's life. That goes along with what you say about Chloe's line: "I will never share what we have with anyone else." She won't. What we've seen between Chloe and Clark for the past... couple of years is very special and unique. Even though I don't ship them romantically... I do think that in light of "Traveler" and "Plastique" that they shared a powerful friendship. Friendship almost isn't a strong enough word. I've compared it to Sam and Frodo in the past... but... I'll just... stop. I also think it made Clark feel better that Chloe doesn't regret her love for him.


ITA
Chloe wasnt shy about the letter...didnt try to hide it, she was upfront. The only thing I didnt like about the letter was the fact that for the 100th time we didnt get to hear how clark felt. :\

I mean....would that have been so much to ask, for chloe to shut up for 10 seconds and let clark talk!! :lol:

I know! I thought that too! She kept cutting him off! LOL!

I think in "Plastique" Chloe and Clark thought that her marriage to Jimmy would mean that... there would be a separation. A dialing down of their time together and a severing of the bond between them. But in "Instinct" Chloe... by showing Clark the fever letter and getting that closure... I think it opened Chloe up to ways in which the bond can grow and shift while remaining as strong.


The fact that she asked him to give her away (at first I'm like isn't her father alive????) I have come to realize that it can be a definate statement she is letting go from Clark and moving on with Jimmy. I mean what more symbolic then Chlark together him in his tux and her in her bridal gown just for her to peck him on the cheek and join Jimmy at the alter. Pretty powerful image if you think about it.

I love what you say here NickyJean because... giving Chloe away (though it suggests that Gabe Sullivan is dead) assures Clark that he still has a hugely important place in Chloe's heart and life. And honestly from a romance POV who better to give Chloe's heart away than Clark? *gets teary*


I feel like Chlarkers deserve better closure than Chloe handing Clark the Fever letter and going, "yeah, I wrote this back when we were teenagers and I was madly in love with you, but I'm not anymore, so don't sweat it." It was total crap.

As a Chloe fan and season 1 Chlarker I feel that I deserved better than the seven years of Clana. At this point it's just too late IMO. I don't want another disgusting crashed wedding. Honestly Clark should not have even done that with Lana and Lex. If Chimmy implodes that's one thing. Even IF Clark felt something for Chloe after reading the letter, I'd rather see him man up and be supportive of his friend's choice. I do think that Clark felt some regret or at least sadness upon reading the letter. I don't think he ever knew HOW MUCH Chloe loved him. I honestly think that if she'd gotten up the courage to read this to him sooner - Season 2, Season 4 or even maybe... in "Zod"... there would have been a different reaction. I could be wrong of course. But I don't think Clark was unaffected or dismissive. I know he's considered dating Chloe before... I think reading this letter sooner may have caused him to consider it more seriously.


I thought it was handled well under the circumstances. It was respectful of the feelings she once had. And of the friendship they now share. But also acknowledged that she had moved on and had put it behind her. They let them have a moment that was mature and adult. Their was a time and place when they could have been together but that time has passed. So you recognize that and move forward. And I really respect that.

I agree. It was a huge step for Chloe. I was glad to see her able to open up about her feelings and have a mature conversation with Clark about them.


Well, it affected him deeply because it caused him to wonder who his own soul-mate was. That was the theme of the episode: "Clark feels alone, lonely, and wants a girlfriend of his own." LOL

But did it affect him in a way that meant that he was in love with Chloe or regretful of that missed opportunity? No, I don't think so. He seemed genuinely happy for Chloe & more than happy to give her away to Jimmy. If he was at all envious of Jimmy it wasn't because Jimmy was with Chloe, but rather because he felt that Jimmy had found his special someone.

I agree that in the loft scene with Lois he was wondering about his own soulmate. I think he was fearful that if he could miss something as beautiful as Chloe's love happening right beside him... it's very likely that he could miss "the one" if she comes along. BUT he looked really sad right after reading the letter and I don't think it was because he was wondering about who his soulmate could be. I think he was deeply effected by the letter. I think he felt sad that Chloe felt a love as strong for him as he felt for Lana... and he was clueless. I really think... things may have been different between Chloe and Clark if he'd known. And I think that Chloe's love and support has been vital to Clark through the years. It's horrible to think that she was suffering all that time. I'm sure that had something to do with his sadness also.


I just have to start out with Jimmy asking why he never said those words to him?

Answer: They were the infatuations of a 15yr old girl in the thralls of hero-worships. Not the love and solace that Jimmy invokes in her despite my belief that he is beyond unworthy of such as she.

He pissed me off and I had to get it off my chest.

LOL! I agree. It's funny how differently the episode would have gone if you'd written Chloe.

Jimmy: Maybe you should start by asking yourself why you never said any of these things to me.
Chloe [thinks for a moment]: Because I'm not 15 and I don't hero-worship you.
Jimmy: ...
Chloe: Is the green eyed monster gone now? Can we get back to the un-packing?

:p


I believe the next eppy will have more discussion on the Jimmy pov for Chlark so I'm ok with the fact it was only touched on.

I surely hope so. *sigh* :(


Jimmy needs to get over his insecurities about Chloe & Clark.. but I guess he has a reasons= to be insecure for example; Chloe admitting to Jimmy Clark was her first love.. but seriously, if I was that insecure with my boyfriend as he was with Chloe, I would have never got engaged in the first place, but that's just my opinion.

I agree. At a certain point he's just got to trust Chloe. He's got to take her at her word that he is her choice. I want one more conversation between Chloe and Jimmy on this subject and then NO MORE! Unless he catches Chloe and Clark tongue kissing at the Isis foundation... no more jealousy over Clark.

Though, in this instance... I think it was good that Chloe let Clark read the letter which wouldn't have happened if Jimmy hadn't insisted that Chloe get introspective.


One of the reasons why I liked the scene. It beats the melodramatic, beat-around-the-bush style of the past seasons. What can I say, I'm an ADHD kind of viewer :\

My favorite line was when Chloe was said that she doesn't regret having had those feelings for Clark. And rightly so.Just because a full-blown romantic relationship didn't bloom between them, it doesn't mean that the those feelings/memories should be mourned or regretted. There's something to be learned from each relationship (even failed ones) and I think this applies to all SV couples (past and current).

The entire scene was handled in a very mature way. Our show is finally growing up :)


I agree. :D

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Ya know, I really don't care.

That letter became insignificant the moment Clark in his delerium muttered the name "Lana" back in season 2.

This episode was about Clark moving on from Lana and that letter was nothing but a catalyst. Jimmy and Chloe's problems served no other purpose except to make Clark realize what he could be missing out on and that he needs to let go of the past.

I think PS3 are making it a point this season for Clark to move on from his old life. Because it's time for the future and Lana is not a part of that.

Lois and the Daily Planet on the other hand. ;)

[BlueBlur]

I hate jimmy with a passion so it was great to see him get uncomfortable when he saw the letter. I thought it very relevant to the episode, especially with Jimmy's storyline

[dimeo782002]

I agree with Dimeo. At some point, Lois is going to have to "confess" her feelings for Clark to Chloe. Dimeo is not saying that Lois has to get "permission" from Chloe... she's just saying that Lois has to get everything out in the open and address the white elephant in the room with Chloe.

Regardless of whether or not Chloe still has feelings for him (and I think she doesn't) or whether Clark has feelings for Chloe or ever did (I think he never did), it doesn't matter.

Chloe is Lois's cousin and one of her best friends. The only respectful thing for Lois to do is to be honest with Chloe and say, "I know that this is a man you once had intense feelings for, but I think I'm falling in love with him. I wanted you to hear it from me."

Chloe will, no doubt, be supportive. It seems to me that she's already pretty supportive and is actually just waiting for Clark and Lois to acknowledge something (based on her convo with Clark in "Toxic"). And she's over Clark and getting married. She may be a bit weirded out that her high school crush is now involved with her cousin, but she's not going to stop them. But she WILL be hurt if they try to hide it from her or if Lois is not honest with her. And she would have every right to be.

Back when I was in college, a very good friend of mine was madly in love with him. Like she would call me and spend hours & hours talking about him... analyzing everything he said to her, down to the timber of his voice when he said hello. In the beginning, I found it amusing, but - after awhile - I realized that I was beginning to develop a crush on the guy and then I started freaking out. I started avoiding him and when my friend would want to talk about him, I'd get really quiet and try to change the subject. The problem was that the more I avoided the guy, the more he would seek me out. It soon became apparent that he didn't have feelings for HER, but - rather - he had them for me.

Um... long story short... he's now my husband and she & I aren't friends any longer. I should have talked to her about it, openly, and I never did. So, I lost that friendship. One of my biggest regrets, actually, and something I chalk up to being too young. Because it was wrong for me to hurt her like that.

So, in this particular example, Lois should definitely get everything out in the open, because she loves Chloe like a sister. And sisters don't do that to each other.

I don't think, however, that Lois owes that same courtesy to Lana. Just to clarify. :D

EAS ,thank you somuch for reading all of my post and not dissecting it .you completely understood where and what i was saying and you areso right i never said she needed permission. and i feel for your story i have been on both sides of the coin and it's niot always pleasant. but i wanted to thank you .

[alienkinfolk]

Um... long story short... he's now my husband and she & I aren't friends any longer. I should have talked to her about it, openly, and I never did. So, I lost that friendship. One of my biggest regrets, actually, and something I chalk up to being too young. Because it was wrong for me to hurt her like that.

So, in this particular example, Lois should definitely get everything out in the open, because she loves Chloe like a sister. And sisters don't do that to each other.

:D
Wow thanks for ending your statement with a tip from your true life experience. You're right, when way to lose a bff is to date, marry or sleep with the object of their affection.
If they hook Clois up this season, i would hope Chloe doesn't take it well because that would be a more probable reaction.

[HeartChakraBabe]

My thoughts exactly! I don't know if Smallville can recover from this IMO. It was the worst BULLCRAP I've ever seen. I have never been this angry over an episode before. NEVER, and that's saying something for this show. I mean, how dare they? I honestly don't understand how any Chlark fans could be pleased with this utter JUNK!!!!!

All this episode made me realize is that I've watched this show all these years for NOTHING!!!! I knew this show was deteriorating ever since Lois appeared in season four, each season a little worse than the last (the ratings matching my sentiments). But this episode just took the cake!! Aging babies is starting to sound pleasant compared to this. Lois is not the new Chloe, Lois is the new Lana, and in fact I now prefer Lana to Lois and cannot wait for her return. I hope she does interrupt Lois and the BDA ( I cannot handle their names coupled together any longer in any incarnation after this show).

Clark could have romances with characters that aren't in the comics (like Alicia), so why could they never ever pair Chloe and Clark together as a couple after building them up for over 7 seasons? No, on this show, Booth will never end up with Brennan, Scully and Mulder will never come together, Mick and Beth will end because he is "destined" for Coraline, Stabler will no longer investigate with Benson, because he is "meant" (written in the stars) to investigate with a new partner, the best friend will never get the guy; no the best friend's cousin will because it is her destiny to take her cousin's dream job and true love!!! Thank you Smallville for reminding me why I hate this show and for reminding me that life is an utter and complete crapfest where those who don't work for anything get everything!!!!

I hope in the future of Superman in the comics, Clark Kent comes to his senses and realizes the woman he married is a selfish, fame seeking dream stealer, and that like in (SPOILER from other movie) "Definitely Maybe," he was with the wrong woman for years and never saw that his best friend was who he was meant for but was too blind to see it. I want Chloe to be added into the comics so he will see who his true love is, not the one he is "destined" for, but the one he chooses to be with. Destiny, is ridiculous. That's why I like Roswell, because even though Max was destined for Tess, he chose to be with Liz. There's a show that got it. Smallville just doesn't!!! This episode proves it.

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TOO TRUE!!!!! Although, I don't think it was forgotten by most of the viewers. That's just saying that most of the viewers aren't fans of Chloe and Clark. When in all actuality, there are a lot of Chloe and Clark fans. But, to be fair, several of them have stopped watching because they just can't take the show anymore. I can think of at least ten people I know (who I don't know from online) who have stopped watching because of how they've crapped on Chloe.

And this was the worst! The writers were being pretty in your face about the letter and how it will never mean anything to Clark. So, Chloe will never be the girl Clark grows into? Chloe was clearly still masquerading. I mean, BFF? But honestly, that episode was pretty much saying "we will never do Chlark," even after 8 seasons of build up because we would prefer to do the Lois and Clark show.

I thought it was a slap in the face to many of the fans who have watched the show over the years. They could have handled it much better.


:( Unfortunately, I understand your fury all too well. I've been rooting for Clark and Chloe for eight years, and now to have them do this....Well, to say the very least, I'm still reeling with the utter unfairness of it all, and I am forced to agree with a lot of what you said. :mad:

[abbaspice1]

But this is what I don't understand...why should Chloe care if Lois and Clark hook up? I mean, she is ENGAGED!

The only reason she would care is if she still had feelings for him. But she has moved on and moved in with Jimmy. Plus, she and Clark didn't date. Like she said, she was 15 years old?

I'm sorry, I don't think it is necessary fo her and Lois to talk about this. They are what, 25 years old now? That letter was 10 years ago? Whatever.

[eas]

EAS ,thank you somuch for reading all of my post and not dissecting it .you completely understood where and what i was saying and you areso right i never said she needed permission. and i feel for your story i have been on both sides of the coin and it's niot always pleasant. but i wanted to thank you .

You're welcome. It was a good post and you raised some good points. I understood perfectly what you were saying and I just felt I had to jump in. :D

[abbaspice1]

BTW, real life scenario:

My 27 year old brother had a HUGE crush on a 'friend' of mine. In fact, he had the crush from the time he was 13 until he was 24. He dated other people, was engaged, etc. The woman in question is 7 years older than me (making their age gap 16 years); we met in college and instantly became BBF. In fact everyone thinks we are a couple. Including him.

Well recently he confronted me. He said that he knew that something was going on between me and her; and it had been for a while. Then he started giving me a list of evidence to support his theory. I was shocked, and then I laughed. Not because of what he said, but because he has dated tons of women since his crush on her. I basically told him that a) You have date dozens of females b) You have been engaged c) You have had a child with the woman you were engaged to d) you are seriously dating someone else e) I really don't see what business is it of yours who I am seeing.

He realized how stupid he sounded and dropped the subject.

I think that if Chloe wasn't engaged and still had feelings for Clark, then the talk would be necessary. As it stands, I don't see why Lois has to go and talk to Chloe at all. If anything, if Chloe has a problem with it, she should open her mouth. Like my brother did. And like my brother, insert foot in mouth, and keep on going.

[eas]

Wow thanks for ending your statement with a tip from your true life experience. You're right, when way to lose a bff is to date, marry or sleep with the object of their affection.
If they hook Clois up this season, i would hope Chloe doesn't take it well because that would be a more probable reaction.

Well, to clarify: She wasn't my "BFF" -- she was just a good friend that I met in college. In fact, I met the object of her crush (the man meant to be my husband) before I met her.

My biggest mistake was not that I married the guy - I love my husband by far more than I even liked that girl. Chances are quite high that we wouldn't be friends today even IF I hadn't married the man who ended up being my soulmate. I have no regrets that I said 'yes' to my husband's proposal. I would have gone ahead and married him even if she had said, "No, I'm not cool with it." Why? Because she had an unrequited crush on him. Whereas I was good friends with him and he loved me back. Our relationship was mutual and reality -- her relationship with him was more fantasy than anything else and completely one-sided. He never saw her as anything other than a friend. In fact, a couple of years into our marriage I revealed to him that this girl used to be in love with him and he was completely baffled. He literally had no idea.

So my point is that the part I regret is not being honest with her -- basically telling her that I had feelings for him, too, and that if he made a move towards me then I wouldn't stop myself. I chose to hide it from her, in the beginning, because I was avoiding conflict and - like it so happens - she ended up finding out from someone else.

And that's what hurt her, because she ended up feeling like a fool. She told me, in our last conversation, that she would have forgiven me falling for him and that she would also understand that he's in love with me and she wouldn't have stopped us. What she couldn't forgive was that I felt that I couldn't be honest with her about it and trust that she'd be mature enough to handle it.

And, right now, honestly, Lois DOES need to tell Chloe what's going on. Not because Chloe has feelings for him (I don't think she does) but because Chloe one DID have feelings for him and Lois knows full well how intense they were. It's only the most respectful thing to do.

Do I think, though, that Lois should stop herself from moving forward with Clark even if Chloe says, "No, I'm not cool with it"? No, I don't. I don't believe anyone should ever be a martyr for anyone. If you love someone and they love you back, then nothing should really stop you from being together. Certainly not something as minor as hurting someone else's feelings.

[Jade4813]

So, in this particular example, Lois should definitely get everything out in the open, because she loves Chloe like a sister. And sisters don't do that to each other.

I don't think, however, that Lois owes that same courtesy to Lana. Just to clarify. :D

I think Lois should do so too, and I hope that they show her doing so. (They could just decide, "Well, Chloe seems to have put it in the past and so everyone else should recognize that without having to address it. :\)

We should at least see Lois confess her feelings for Clark to Chloe. And, you know, while I'm not sure that people would say she needs Chloe's permission, I do think at the end there should be a scene (and logically I think there would be) where Lois is like, "So it's...okay? This isn't going to mess up you and me, is it, because if it is I can walk away right now and we don't ever have to talk about this ever again because it's not that big..." (ETA: Though I do agree with eas that nobody should be martyred for anyone else, but I can see Lois THINKING she could walk away from Clark at that point (depending on what was going on, maybe even wanting to find an excuse to do so other than her feelings for him wig her out! :lol:).)

And Chloe responding with a genuine, "It's okay, Lois. Really."

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But this is what I don't understand...why should Chloe care if Lois and Clark hook up? I mean, she is ENGAGED!

The only reason she would care is if she still had feelings for him. But she has moved on and moved in with Jimmy. Plus, she and Clark didn't date. Like she said, she was 15 years old?

I'm sorry, I don't think it is necessary fo her and Lois to talk about this. They are what, 25 years old now? That letter was 10 years ago? Whatever.

I don't think that she has to talk to Lois because of the letter. But Lois did know that Chloe once had a thing for Clark and she found out, from Clark, that the feelings were deeper than she'd probably thought before. So she's not like, "Hey, you loved him...can I have him?"

It's more that Chloe means something to Lois, so she just wants to make sure that Chloe wouldn't be hurt or icked out by Lois and Clark having something together. Should Chloe have a problem with it, given that she's engaged? No. But there is something a little odd and awkward about someone you love hooking up with an ex or an ex-crush, even if you don't want that ex back. And Lois would want to try to do what she could to remove any awkwardness between them.

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And, right now, honestly, Lois DOES need to tell Chloe what's going on. Not because Chloe has feelings for him (I don't think she does) but because Chloe one DID have feelings for him and Lois knows full well how intense they were. It's only the most respectful thing to do.

Do I think, though, that Lois should stop herself from moving forward with Clark even if Chloe says, "No, I'm not cool with it"? No, I don't. I don't believe anyone should ever be a martyr for anyone. If you love someone and they love you back, then nothing should really stop you from being together. Certainly not something as minor as hurting someone else's feelings.

IA. I hope we get a scene like that in a future episode...of course, Lois would have to both recognize and be willing to admit to her feelings before she could have that talk. Hmmm...maybe after Episode 13/14.

But didn't they do something like this in early seasons of Smallville? I vaguely remember a scene where it seemed Chloe would have been okay with Clana being together if they'd been open about it, but she found out that they were together and hiding it from her and that's what hurt her the most. So hopefully they won't go down that road again. :\

[shamville]

Writer mess up smallville really bad, lana and clark thing. Lana have a boyfriend clark could date chloe.

[eas]

I think that if Chloe wasn't engaged and still had feelings for Clark, then the talk would be necessary. As it stands, I don't see why Lois has to go and talk to Chloe at all. If anything, if Chloe has a problem with it, she should open her mouth. Like my brother did. And like my brother, insert foot in mouth, and keep on going.

Well, given that example, I think that if you started dating the woman (I'm assuming you aren't right now and that's why you laughed) then I do think that you should give your brother a heads up about it. Do you need his permission or blessing? Absolutely not. But it's the respectful thing to do, so he hears it from you and isn't blindsided by having a 3rd party tell him that you guys are on the verge of getting married. He'll feel (and rightfully so) that you're his brother and he should have heard it from you.

Same with Chloe and Lois - the point isn't that Lois is trying to get "permission" from Chloe or that Lois is even afraid that Chloe has feelings for him. Lois is just letting Chloe know so that Chloe doesn't end up finding out from other means. Because this will effect Chloe - emotionally - to an extent, because she was ONCE madly in the love with him. At the very least, she'll wax nostalgic and laugh at the irony. At the very most, it'll cause her conflict and confusion & then she'll have to learn to live with it.

Point is that Lois should respect and love her enough to be the one who tells Chloe.

At least, that's my take on it. :)

[SnowBird]

I agree, but given that Jimmy didn't know about the letter, I don't think they had to use the letter to do it. I think they just needed to stop giving Jimmy reasons to doubt Chloe's love for him. As annoying as his insecurity is, there has been reason for it in the past; given that Jimmy doesn't know about Clark's secret, how else is he supposed to interpret things when Chloe makes it clear she's willing to drop everything at a moment's notice to be with Clark but not him?

They didn't need to dredge up the past to have Jimmy confront it in order for him to have security in their relationship. They just needed to have Chloe make a choice that she'll prioritize her life differently and live up to it.

I don't understand. Why is this letter treated like gold. Chloe trashed it and it would have ended up in a landfill if Lana hadn't saved it. If Chloe didn't think it was important enough to keep in the first place, why do so many people get upset that it was brought back to finalize relationships. Or, is the big problem because it was brought back to end Clark and Chloe from being a couple? The fact remains that Chloe threw it away so why treat the piece of paper like it was an important document that should be in a museum to save for man kind. Please enlighten me, I really would like to know what is so important about this pink piece of paper besides the fact that Chloe wrote it.

[abbaspice1]

Well, given that example, I think that if you started dating the woman (I'm assuming you aren't right now and that's why you laughed) then I do think that you should give your brother a heads up about it. Do you need his permission or blessing? Absolutely not. But it's the respectful thing to do, so he hears it from you and isn't blindsided by having a 3rd party tell him that you guys are on the verge of getting married. He'll feel (and rightfully so) that you're his brother and he should have heard it from you.

Same with Chloe and Lois - the point isn't that Lois is trying to get "permission" from Chloe or that Lois is even afraid that Chloe has feelings for him. Lois is just letting Chloe know so that Chloe doesn't end up finding out from other means. Because this will effect Chloe - emotionally - to an extent, because she was ONCE madly in the love with him. At the very least, she'll wax nostalgic and laugh at the irony. At the very most, it'll cause her conflict and confusion & then she'll have to learn to live with it.

Point is that Lois should respect and love her enough to be the one who tells Chloe.

At least, that's my take on it. :)

But again, I ask why? It is not even a real relationship...it is a CRUSH. A TEENAGE crush at that. Which Chloe said she is over and done with. It was a ONE-SIDED crush that was years ago. I just don't get it.

And again, why should Lois be the one ot begin the conversation. If Chloe has picked up signs of Clois, and she wants to talk about it, shouldn't she say something?

[eas]

I don't understand. Why is this letter treated like gold. Chloe trashed it and it would have ended up in a landfill if Lana hadn't saved it. If Chloe didn't think it was important enough to keep in the first place, why do so many people get upset that it was brought back to finalize relationships. Or, is the big problem because it was brought back to end Clark and Chloe from being a couple? The fact remains that Chloe threw it away so why treat the piece of paper like it was an important document that should be in a museum to save for man kind. Please enlighten me, I really would like to know what is so important about this pink piece of paper besides the fact that Chloe wrote it.

What's important about the letter is what it represents. It's a love letter. And love letters mean something.

As a Clois shipper, I've always felt that the letter was a metaphor and anvil for future Clois. However, a fan of Chlark would look at the letter and think that it perfectly captures the essence of the Chlark relationship. A Clana fan, on the other hand, would see this moment as a reflection of the intense love that Clark has for Lana - that, even in his sleep, words of devotion lead him to uttering Lana's name.

As a Clois shipper, I'm happy about the way the letter was handled in this episode. As a general fan of "SV" who happens to respect other ships, I wasn't happy that they stirred up the hornet's nest with this letter. As I stated before, there are many scenes and plots from earlier "SV" that have been left dangling.... this one could have stayed in S2, where it belonged.

[abbaspice1]

What's important about the letter is what it represents. It's a love letter. And love letters mean something.

Only if it is given. Otherwise, it is just a page with ideas.

I could write all the love letters I want, but if I don't give it to the person who I supposedly love, it will mean nothing. I know she read it to Clark, but Clark was semiconscious and if I remember correctly he responded by saying Lana's name.

[eas]

But again, I ask why? It is not even a real relationship...it is a CRUSH. A TEENAGE crush at that. Which Chloe said she is over and done with. It was a ONE-SIDED crush that was years ago. I just don't get it.

And again, why should Lois be the one ot begin the conversation. If Chloe has picked up signs of Clois, and she wants to talk about it, shouldn't she say something?

I think that's the difference... I don't see Chloe as having a mere crush on Clark Kent. I think that she was deeply and madly in love with him. And I also think that if Clark had made any move towards her or loved her back, then the two of them would be the ones headed towards the alter -- not Chimmy.

What prevented Clark and Chloe getting together was not that Chloe 'grew out of her crush' or something. What happened was that Chloe eventually realized that she couldn't exist in a one-sided love affair with Clark, anymore. She decided that it was better to be with a man who loved her back - Jimmy - rather than pine after a man who would never be hers.

Her relationship with Clark will always be somewhat bittersweet, imo. And THAT'S why Lois would be better served just getting it out in the open with Chloe.

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Only if it is given. Otherwise, it is just a page with ideas.

Only if what is a given? If the recipient also loves the person back? I disagree with this... some of the best poetry ever written was when the love was un-requited. A page with ideas it is... but the ideas were beautiful and the sentiment expressed by Chloe was sincere.

[abbaspice1]

^^^

I think this is where we disagree.

For love to exist, it must be received and return. Otherwise, IMHO, it is not love. It is a crush.

[eas]

I could write all the love letters I want, but if I don't give it to the person who I supposedly love, it will mean nothing. I know she read it to Clark, but Clark was semiconscious and if I remember correctly he responded by saying Lana's name.

I disagree... it still meant something. It was an outpouring of the emotion in her heart. If I write in a journal and no one ever reads it, then is the journal worthless? No... because it's my life and my day to day musings on all matters... to me, it's everything. Whether or not another body or soul reads my thoughts is irrelevant... they are still my thoughts and my ideas & they represent the sum total of my parts.

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^^^

I think this is where we disagree.

For love to exist, it must be received and return. Otherwise, IMHO, it is not love. It is a crush.

Hhmmm... this must be it, then. I think it's possible for a person to love another person and for it to be un-returned. Even within the context of Superman, Clark is loved by Lana in the future, but that love is not returned, because he's in love with Lois. However, Lana continues to love him and would give up her life for him. Her love is not diminished by his lack of love.


Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree here. :)

[abbaspice1]

I disagree... it still meant something. It was an outpouring of the emotion in her heart. If I write in a journal and no one ever reads it, then is the journal worthless? No... because it's my life and my day to day musings on all matters... to me, it's everything. Whether or not another body or soul reads my thoughts is irrelevant... they are still my thoughts and my ideas & they represent the sum total of my parts.

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Hhmmm... this must be it, then. I think it's possible for a person to love another person and for it to be un-returned. Even within the context of Superman, Clark is loved by Lana in the future, but that love is not returned, because he's in love with Lois. However, Lana continues to love him and would give up her life for him. Her love is not diminished by his lack of love.


Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree here. :)

But a journal is different than a love letter. Most people write a journal to be read only by themselves. A love letter is written to be given to someone else; to tell them about how you feel about them. It is pretty pointless to write any type of letter and then not to sent it.

And we will have to disagree about love. To me love is a two-way street. Not a dead-end alley. :lol:

[Jade4813]

I don't understand. Why is this letter treated like gold. Chloe trashed it and it would have ended up in a landfill if Lana hadn't saved it. If Chloe didn't think it was important enough to keep in the first place, why do so many people get upset that it was brought back to finalize relationships. Or, is the big problem because it was brought back to end Clark and Chloe from being a couple? The fact remains that Chloe threw it away so why treat the piece of paper like it was an important document that should be in a museum to save for man kind. Please enlighten me, I really would like to know what is so important about this pink piece of paper besides the fact that Chloe wrote it.

I don't treat the letter like gold, I just recognize that others do. More importantly for me in this analysis is that I do feel like the "Fever" letter was unnecessary to do what they were trying to do. If it had been a situation where what they wanted to accomplish could only be accomplished by using the letter, I'd say have at it. But using the letter wasn't really necessary and, in fact, made things rather more complicated.

It seemed to me that they wanted to show Jimmy's insecurities about Chlark so that Chloe could sort of deal with her feelings, whatever they may be, and decide how she felt about Clark versus how she felt about Jimmy. Presumably, given that she's still engaged to Jimmy and the spoilers, they're wanting to remove Jimmy's insecurities.

Okay, but...how is Jimmy finding an old letter supposed to make him feel LESS insecure. Up to this point, for all he knew, Chloe's crush on Clark had been a recent thing. Now you find it's gone on for years; that's gotta have an impact on you.

More importantly, though, is that Chloe didn't need to read the letter again to be reminded of her feelings for Clark as they had once been. Clark didn't need to see it to address the question of how Chloe once felt for him. In fact, using the letter was somewhat contradictory because in one scene he says he guesses he always knew and in another he says he never knew.

Rather than bringing up the past, which could cause more problems than it needs to, they could have addressed these issues in the absolute present. Jimmy needs to stop being insecure about Chlark. Reminding him of how long Chloe's had a crush on Clark is not going to do anything about his insecurity. And Chloe has already started to recognize (so she says) that she needs to put Jimmy first in her life and so her relationship with Clark will and needs to change. She didn't need to be reminded of the past in order to come to that realization.

Now, maybe Chloe and Clark needed to clear the air between them before she could move on, but again, the letter didn't need to do it. Clark knew Chloe loved him - that, I'll believe. I may extend credibility that he didn't know how much. But Chloe could have talked to him about her feelings in an effort to clear the air without the letter coming into it. In fact, realistically, that letter would, in the real world, probably make things more awkward between two friends. If I told my best boy friend from ages ago that I'd once had a huge crush on him, we could talk about it and even laugh it off. If I showed him a love letter I'd written him, he'd probably get embarrassed and that conversation would be more awkward than it needed to be.

For my personal sake, I didn't put so much stock into the letter to begin with. I saw it as Chloe's confession of her feelings and a way to set up sympathy for her character when she later betrayed Clark. I never thought it would come to pass because going into the show, I knew Clark would end up with Lois in the end. So for me, it was what it was. For other people, it was more, and for their sakes, I'm sorry that got rather tarnished for them. For my sake, though, it's not so much that I wanted the letter to stay what it was for me (since my perception of the letter hasn't changed) but I do feel like they could have accomplished what they were trying to accomplish without it. And I don't feel like they gained anything by using the letter instead of going another route; in fact, given the complications this should have with Jimmy (by all rights), they made things harder for themselves than they really had to do to get the job they wanted to do done.

JMHO.

[batfinx]

she is not married yet ! let my cousin go out with my ex now while im married now as well and i would still be upset. i would rather she has the balls to say something that i can respect. honeatly i think chloe would be okay it is just respect . this was not a crush it was serious for chloe

A big difference here is that I'm assuming the person you're calling your "ex" is someone who you had an actual relationship with, not someone you carried a torch for year after year and who didn't reciprocate your romantic feelings. Let's face it, when most people refer to someone as their ex, it's someone they dated more than a couple of times, it was someone they had a real relationship with, which generally includes physical intimacy. None of this is true of Chloe. Clark is not her ex anything.


batfinx, you need an appropriate avi to go along with those great posts.

I'm not terribly artistic :D


Chloe is Lois's cousin and one of her best friends. The only respectful thing for Lois to do is to be honest with Chloe and say, "I know that this is a man you once had intense feelings for, but I think I'm falling in love with him. I wanted you to hear it from me."

I have no objection as long as it also applies to Clark. If Chloe has a presumed entitlement to know if Lois has feelings for Clark, then she should also be entitled to know if Clark has feelings for Lois. In any case, I'd hope it would be treated with some humor instead of heavy-handed melodrama.


Back when I was in college, a very good friend of mine was madly in love with him. Like she would call me and spend hours & hours talking about him... analyzing everything he said to her, down to the timber of his voice when he said hello. In the beginning, I found it amusing, but - after awhile - I realized that I was beginning to develop a crush on the guy and then I started freaking out. I started avoiding him and when my friend would want to talk about him, I'd get really quiet and try to change the subject. The problem was that the more I avoided the guy, the more he would seek me out. It soon became apparent that he didn't have feelings for HER, but - rather - he had them for me.

Um... long story short... he's now my husband and she & I aren't friends any longer. I should have talked to her about it, openly, and I never did. So, I lost that friendship. One of my biggest regrets, actually, and something I chalk up to being too young. Because it was wrong for me to hurt her like that.

Your personal example sounds more like Lana's situation with Chloe back near the end of season 2. Lana knew how Chloe felt about Clark, but Clark wasn't romantically attracted to Chloe, he was attracted to Lana. With Lois, on the other hand, she's in denial at this point as to what she's feeling for Clark. That's another reason I'd expect any confession to be more humorous and about self discovery rather than a formal declaration.

As to the on topic subject of how the letter was handled, I thought it was clever on a lot of levels. It was a piece of genuine continuity from a much older episode and so worked much better than something that would've been whipped up as a plot device for that one episode. It launched Jimmy into Maxima's path and showed that Jimmy, even when tempted by a goddess from another planet, would pull back and profess his love for Chloe. It provided a good heart to heart between Clark and Jimmy and in turn a heart to heart between Clark and Chloe. I'm not seeing what was wrong with it.

[Jade4813]

I have no objection as long as it also applies to Clark. If Chloe has a presumed entitlement to know if Lois has feelings for Clark, then she should also be entitled to know if Clark has feelings for Lois. In any case, I'd hope it would be treated with some humor instead of heavy-handed melodrama.

I would be up for that. Besides, I think if Clark starts having feelings for Lois, the last person he'll want to admit that to is Lois herself. And he doesn't have a lot of other friends to go chat with...*sigh*

[Billy Jor-El]

Regarding what's so important about the letter in that Chloe trashed it for the landfill anyway....well, yes, Lana "saved" it...but Chloe ended up keeping it all these years although she could have turned around and burned it once she got it back. It does mean something to Chloe, just as I think her feelings for Clark are not totally in the past, despite she's probably come to terms with the fact that it was/is leading nowhere. Yeah, why hasn't she said those things to Jimmy if she really loves him and would marry him???

I found it interesting that the letter wasn't neatly stashed in a box or something, appeared to just be wedged between books (CDs?) on the shelf that Jimmy stumbled upon.

I re-watched "Fever" to bring myself back up to speed on the letter. Chloe read it to unconscious Clark to prevent "uncomfortable eye contact" which indicated she had written it before Clark was injured and would have sent it to him anyway. I wonder what his reaction to it would have been then? I sure felt bad for her...pouring her heart out to him, only to have him say "Lana." ICK!!!! I could only wish for the kind of devotion Chloe has shown Clark. She really is too good for him, flannel shirts or capes, he ain't showing her the kind of respect she deserves.

[abbaspice1]

^^

I guess one cannot force someone else to love them.

I don't see where Clark is disrespecting Chloe.

[BULLITT]

Yeahhhhh but looks like the TPTB didn´t did they? If they had, they wouldn´t had brought up this letter again! but I should have known better that they love to raise things from the dead!

Alicia, up next?:rotfl:

[eas]

I have no objection as long as it also applies to Clark. If Chloe has a presumed entitlement to know if Lois has feelings for Clark, then she should also be entitled to know if Clark has feelings for Lois. In any case, I'd hope it would be treated with some humor instead of heavy-handed melodrama.

I wouldn't use the word "entitlement" but, yes, I do think that Clark should address his feelings for Lois to Chloe, as well. Just as he was hurt that she didn't tell him about her engagement (and he was), Chloe would be hurt that he didn't tell her about this new development in his love life.

In fact, I think that Chloe tried to get him to open up about this in "Toxic".... I think this is why she said those things to him at the party & he brushed it aside and got defensive.

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^^

I guess one cannot force someone else to love them.

I don't see where Clark is disrespecting Chloe.

I agree with that. I do think that Clark has been a bit... well... blind to Chloe's feelings in the past and has a tendency to be disrespectful to her when it comes to sidekick duties. But, really, he can't force himself to love her. As he said in "Crimson", he's thought about it. But he could never actually bring himself to be with her romantically.

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Your personal example sounds more like Lana's situation with Chloe back near the end of season 2. Lana knew how Chloe felt about Clark, but Clark wasn't romantically attracted to Chloe, he was attracted to Lana. With Lois, on the other hand, she's in denial at this point as to what she's feeling for Clark. That's another reason I'd expect any confession to be more humorous and about self discovery rather than a formal declaration.

When I gave my example (before I clarified further) I was talking about the point where I realized that I had a crush on him. Not the point where he declared his love to me. Meaning: When I realized I had feelings for him, I should have been honest with her and told her... maybe even laughed about it.

The example is not the exact scenario that Lois will be in (because Chloe's feelings are in the past, not the present) but my point is that Lois should tell Chloe not because of Chloe's feelings for Clark... but, rather, Chloe's feelings for Lois. When Lois tells her, it should be as a sister who is trying to spare her sister's feelings. That's it... it's not about whether or not Chloe is "entitled" to know or whether or not it's ethical for Clark & Lois to 'hide' their feelings from Chloe.

I'm just saying that if Lois loves Chloe as much as she does, then it would be OOC for her to not take Chloe's feelings into consideration as she falls in love with Clark Kent.

[Billy Jor-El]

^^

I guess one cannot force someone else to love them.


Oh, very true, but from the standpoint of Clark at one time (prom) saying, "....I think I may have feelings for Chloe..." and under RedK at Lex's pre-wedding dinner telling Chloe, "....don't think I haven't thought about it..." (and RedK doesn't make him saying anything he doesn't believe, just releases inhibitions, or so we've seen)....well, Clark is not totally oblivious to Chloe in that perspective.

[Paty26]

Alicia, up next?:rotfl:

maybe... :rotfl:

[SupesComicFan]

I think we are in a bit of a bind here. Chlark fans were holding onto the letter. If they had had Chloe and Clark talk about their feelings past, without bringing up the letter, Chlark fans would be saying "yes, but they didn't bring up the LETTER." Chlark can still exist!

If you watch a show called Smallville and accept that the main character is going to one day be Superman, you cannot expect that character to end up with someone other than Lois, or the possibility of Lois. If the writers wanted to do Chlark, they would have ALREADY, and they had many chances to do so. Martha said, when Lois came to town, that Clark and Chloe had a thing "for about a minute" and I think that is the truth of Chlark. Good friends, could have been more, wasn't, stop pining and move on. I don't think Clark ever had strong feelings for Chloe for more than a minute, and Crimson confirms this. Of course he "thought about it", like he said in Crimson. Chloe is an attractive female and Clark is male, and a teenager. Duh. However, if those feelings were going to go anywhere, they would have gone there already. Chloe should have confronted him with her feelings (which I do NOT believe she has felt past the S3 finale in any meaningful way) like an adult. She has had many opportunities to do so. If TPTB wanted to go there, they shouldn't have dragged Clana on for so long.

They NEEDED to bring the letter in. I dont' think they did a disservice at all. If a guy I wrote a letter about found it YEARS later, I would be slightly amused and a little embarassed and I would have said the same thing as Chloe, you blew it. Come to think of it, I DID do that at my 10 year reunion. I saw the dude I used to have a crush on, told him I had had a crush on him and that he had NO idea what he had missed (I was kidding), and he chuckled and said he should have dated me then, and we started talking about other things. Clark and Chloe did the same thing. They are NOT interested in each other, and haven't been for some time. Chlark doesn't have time to happen, if this is the last season. They have been doing a nice job of character progression, IMO, even BEFORE this season, towards endgame. I think that the next few episodes will prove me correct. I have been watching old seasons, and the Chlark, she is not there.

[ginnyfan]

Great post Jennifer.

I think "Devoted" brought Chloe's latent feelings to the surface again in Season 4. I think that finding out Clark's secret further complicated things on Chloe's end, especially after "Arrival." So I would say that Chloe's been wrestling with romantic feelings toward Clark beyond season 3.

BUT I do think that the time for Chlark is past. It's unlikely that after squandering all the opportunities to explore Chloe and Clark as a couple that at the 11th hour the writers would end the show with Chlark romance. I agree that there was no disservice done to the letter. I would have liked for Clark to read the whole thing aloud... but I think it shows attention to detail on the part of the writers. The fever letter is such a lovely expression of Chloe's unrequited love for Clark. I've wanted Clark to know how she felt all that time for a while.

[SupesComicFan]

Even leaving Chloe out of this (she might be influenced by Brainiac, after all :rolleyes:), Clark's reaction to the letter should be enough.

He is miffed that he missed that someone felt that deeply about him, but he isn't sad that he missed out on being with Chloe, not at all. Even if Chloe is being influenced by Brainiac, Clark's reaction to the letter would be all that mattered. He doesn't seem suddenly interested in Chloe or pining away in the barn for what might have been with Chloe, he is upset that he has been unobservant.

If Chloe is where Clark wanted to be, he has had many, varied opportunities to get himself there. They could have done a really great Chlark, but they didn't, and they won't.

[SupesComicFan]

After watching the Fever Letter again in the rerun last night, I stand by what I said, and even more so.

That episode was about Clark, not Chlark. Maxima made him question his search for a "perfect" person. Maxima told Lois that Clark has a bond with Lois, but he doesn't know it yet. Now Lois does. Chloe says that your first love prepares you for your perfect love. Chloe was not Clark's first love, so in this case Lana prepared Clark for Lois and Clark prepared Chloe for Jimmy.

The Fever letter was very well done in this episode and the characters showed amazing maturity. Of course, that is only my opinion.

[eas]

I agree. I thought the episode's purpose was to show exactly where Clark is in terms of his love life. It starts with him gazing at Lana's bracelet & then puts it away when he gets a call from his future wife, who says, "I need you, Clark."

Then, Lois goes on to give him a lecture about how he needs to stop going for sweet vanilla and needs to try a little wild cherry. (While wearing a cherry colored top.) And, then, this all leads Lois realizing how much she likes him and Clark realizing he's over Lana. Or, at least, that Lana is not his soulmate.

Then, this leads us to "Committed" where we find out that Clark is not ready, though, to make a committment to someone else. He may be over Lana, but he's not ready to jump into another relationship with somebody. Until the very end, when he hunts Lois down and forces her to talk to him about whether or not she's in love with him.

[HeartChakraBabe]

^^ For you Clois fans it's fine, sure. But for us Chlarkers it was a knife to the heart. PS3 didn't have to do it that way, when surely they knew that to Chlarkers the Fever Letter is practically sacred. Surely they could have come up with a different way to show they'd moved on.

[Jade4813]

^^ For you Clois fans it's fine, sure. But for us Chlarkers it was a knife to the heart. PS3 didn't have to do it that way, when surely they knew that to Chlarkers the Fever Letter is practically sacred. Surely they could have come up with a different way to show they'd moved on.

Not all non-Chlark fans are happy with what they did or are "fine" with it. After the episode aired, I remember non-Chlark fans (such as myself and eas) saying they didn't like that the "Fever" letter was used in such a fashion and thought they should have just left it alone because it meant so much to Chlark fans.

[mizchloe]

Lana found the letter in the trash can and read it....she must have kept it hidden in the Talon apartment all this time......

wait! when did lana read it?

[eas]

Not all non-Chlark fans are happy with what they did or are "fine" with it. After the episode aired, I remember non-Chlark fans (such as myself and eas) saying they didn't like that the "Fever" letter was used in such a fashion and thought they should have just left it alone because it meant so much to Chlark fans.

Yeah, I did. I was pretty vocal about it, too. And I still believe that. If TPTB actually knew what it meant to the Chlarkers, they shouldn't have used this letter to further Clois. There other ways... they didn't need to twist the knife in this way.

However, it was still a good episode for Clark and it furthered his development. Not all fans saw the letter the same way that Chlarkers did... so, for a fan like me, the knife didn't twist or anything.

I do understand why the Chlarkers were upset -- I just didn't think (as a non-Chlarker) that the way they did was bad. Chloe kept her dignity at the end.

[supercatmom]

I didn't have a problem with the letter being in this episode.
Jimmy still being jealous about Clark was dumb but it did set up his encounter with Maxima.
And having Clark finally read the letter and have a discussion about it with Chloe was a good way to bring closure to Chlark. They are now BFF's.
And I like what Chloe said about not having those feelings now but not regretting having had those feelings for Clark in the past b/c it made her know when the real love of her life came along.
And Clark seemed to consider Chloe's words and maybe his feelings for Lana will prepare him for when his soulmate comes along. Namely, Lois. I know I'm the eternal optimist.
But Clark and Lois did have a talk about soulmates.

[donnarose]

That letter was magnificently done. I am glad that she Chloe got to read it to Clark! There is a little bit of mystery to it. Hope one day in the not so distant future they will resolve it.Ending will indoubtedly be fascinating!:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p;);) ;););););););););););)

[wingster55]

I hated that it was used to prop Clois in a way. Just like the Spring formal flower in Bride.

[Supsfan]

That letter was magnificently done. I am glad that she Chloe got to read it to Clark! There is a little bit of mystery to it. Hope one day in the not so distant future they will resolve it.Ending will indoubtedly be fascinating!

I actually think this was the way the show did "resolve" it

[SGuthrie27]

I was SO glad that they brought back the "Fever" letter, even if I was a bit nonplussed at the methods they used to bring it back. I know, I know, it wouldn't make Chloe look all that great if she was still harboring tons of feelings for Clark when she'd already agreed to marry Jimmy, but seriously, the Chlarker in me hated the way they brushed their relationship under the rug the way they did. I wanted more of a genuinely upset, pondering reaction from Clark than what we got, too.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Ella]

I don't even remember the letter or the scene. Does anyone have a clip of it that I can view online? I guess during the time that Instinct aired I really wasn't paying attention to this "shipper" stuff one way or another.

[SGuthrie27]

Sure, try this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX_EVmfQRs0

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Supsfan]

I don't even remember the letter or the scene. Does anyone have a clip of it that I can view online? I guess during the time that Instinct aired I really wasn't paying attention to this "shipper" stuff one way or another.

Simple Rundown

Jimmy finds the Fever letter, gets jealous runs to the Ace o' Clubs almost starts making out with Maxima. Clark saves him, at end of show Clark and Chloe discuss it a little:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05CTBT3HUsA

The Lois and Clark have a loft scene were he brings up the Letter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLcmwpc0yU4

[Ella]

Sure, try this link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX_EVmfQRs0

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Oh, right! That was such a sad scene! I think I cried the first time I watched it.:(

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Simple Rundown

Jimmy finds the Fever letter, gets jealous runs to the Ace o' Clubs almost starts making out with Maxima. Clark saves him, at end of show Clark and Chloe discuss it a little:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05CTBT3HUsA

The Lois and Clark have a loft scene were he brings up the Letter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLcmwpc0yU4

I actually don't remember watching the first scene, like at all. Strange, but um, now that I've watched it, I think it was a sweet charming scene. It actually made me nostalgic for Chimmy. :( As far as Chlark goes, I liked how Chloe said she didn't regret her feelings and then teases, "So you blew it, bud!" :lol: Not to mention that she reinforces that what she has with Clark she'll never have with anyone else. I think that was pretty special. :o

So what am I missing? I don't see anything wrong with that scene...

[RedKRules]

It was totally TRASHED on .... I wish they had never brought the letter back, it was just an atrocity the way they handled it......

[actaeon]

I don't think the Fever Letter was brought up to advance Clois, I think it was brought up to clear up the Clark/Chloe relationship. Clear the air between these two, and to finally establish that what they are now are Best Friends. So I think it was very respectful to Chlark.

Chloe has been a long, long time getting over her crush on Clark. It was a gradual process and it was handled very nicely, with care. It was a believable long-term transition.

Also, it was very necessary to establish that Chloe is really, truly over Clark since she is engaged to marry Jimmy. I wouldn't want to see Chloe cast in the role of two-timer, marrying one guy while she's still in love with another.

Actually, watching "Instinct" again, the Fever Letter renunciation didn't even seem like such a big deal.

[Eeyore840]

I don't think the Fever Letter was brought up to advance Clois, I think it was brought up to clear up the Clark/Chloe relationship. Clear the air between these two, and to finally establish that what they are now are Best Friends. So I think it was very respectful to Chlark.

Chloe has been a long, long time getting over her crush on Clark. It was a gradual process and it was handled very nicely, with care. It was a believable long-term transition.

Also, it was very necessary to establish that Chloe is really, truly over Clark since she is engaged to marry Jimmy. I wouldn't want to see Chloe cast in the role of two-timer, marrying one guy while she's still in love with another.

Actually, watching "Instinct" again, the Fever Letter renunciation didn't even seem like such a big deal.

And yet, that is exactly how she was portrayed in "Doomsday." Because she "did it all for Clark." :rolleyes:

If the intent was to show that she was over Clark, her motives in Season 8 proved just the opposite, imo.

[donnarose]

Ya are probably right! It just illusive enough to be very genunily romantic.;)

[Supermania]

Don't get me wrong; I loved episode four. It was just that I was quite excited to see Clark's reaction to the letter after reading about it prior to viewing the episode and it didn't turn out as I would've liked. In fact, it felt rushed and uncared for. I thought there would be more conflict between Chloe and Jimmy as well as Clark feeling a touch of regret if only for one moment. Still, at least the Maxima portion of the episode was good to watch.

[supercatmom]

I have no problem with the letter in this episode. It was a nice way to bring closure to Chlark. Which certainly didn't happen with Clana. I like what Chloe said to Clark about him missing the boat and that she didn't feel that way about him now but that she didn't regret having those feelings. Because it prepared her for how she now felt about Jimmy.
I vividly remember the episode where Chloe first read the letter to Clark and thought it very sweet but kinda wished that she had been able to read it to Clark when he was not in a coma. And very annoyed when he mumbled the word Lana.
I know that Chlarkers view the letter as sacred but to me the letter was tainted long ago in the episode where Lana found and read it.
Back then Lana was on the outs with Clark b/c she felt that he was keeping secrets and most of the time she acted b*tchy to him. Even after saving her life, Lana still acted annoyed and never even thanked Clark.
But after finding the letter,she began making passes at Clark. Kinda like the dog in the manager, she didn't want/ can't get Clark but she didn't want anyone else (Chloe) to have him.
This was when I first started to not like the character of Lana. It was also the start of the Clark/Chloe/Lana triangle. We all know how much SV loves triangles.
But for the Chlarkers who feel that Chloe and Clark never had their time in the sun so to speak, I totally agree.

[SGuthrie27]

Well spoken, Kathy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this! I agree with most everything you said there! :D

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--