Crystal/ Beacon Discussion Thread

[xrayvision]

Those rings looked like the ones that surrounded Zod, Ursa & Non in Superman & Superman II as they were being sentenced to the Phantom Zone.

[thebog1]

The ones that Chloe and Jimmy have?

[xrayvision]

No, the ones surrounding the crystal.

[green_arrow_girl358]

email signed "x", who's that?

[Ardiem3]

Lex

[makethings]

doomsday

[susangail]

Someone with more Kryptonian knowledge than Lex. He knew that Clark was the Traveler, but there was an awful lot that he didn't know.

[roccanater]

Yeah, it really could be anyone. This email is making me crazy.

[BrandonR]

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100398

[Liquid-Prince]

Probably Lex. Also there is a discussion thread for this.

Official Who is X Discussion Thread! (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100398)

[Karafan1]

Those were cool..I like any and all references to the superman movies on smallville..

[xrayvision]

I wonder if they were just some normal rings or beams of energy like the ones in Superman were.

[Randy G.]

Maybe just an alarm system. They were really cool though.
I noticed them right away, as being just like the detention rings from the movies. :D

[bringbackmarthakent]

Hey guys...

So when Tess was looking at the picture of the crystal at the end of the episode, it looked like there was some sort of symbol on it...

Any ideas???

[Billy Jor-El]

"CW"?????

[superspider02]

It was probably just sitting on something and since it was semi seethroughish when we saw it earlier it didnt have anything in the middle of it.

[znz212]

The rings were the frequency generator that activated the beacon. As the frequency was changing, the rings kept spinning faster and faster.

[ginnyfan]

Those rings looked like the ones that surrounded Zod, Ursa & Non in Superman & Superman II as they were being sentenced to the Phantom Zone.

Oh nice observation! The minute I saw the title of the post I knew what you were going to say. LOL!

[maryjanewatson]

Maybe just an alarm system. They were really cool though.
I noticed them right away, as being just like the detention rings from the movies. :D

I did too :) though, I think it would have been better if the crystal would have been propped up and the rings just surrounded it like an alarm system. seems to make more sense to me that way.

[KryptonChuck]

I thought it looked like a "W", maybe for Wayne Industries … (Just Kidding)

[xrayvision]

They were a nice touch.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I haven't seen the movie, but I liked the effect nonetheless.

[gameface25]

They have now said that the crystal is a super computer, it makes the fortress, etc...

Eradicator?

Its obvious at this point isn't it?

[xrayvision]

I think the Eradicator will be a different item altogether if it ever shows up on this show. The Eradicator in the comics is an ancient Kryptonian artifact that was built to preserve Kryptonian lifestyle, culture, ideals, and life. It was never really tied specifically to Jor-El as the AI we have seen in this show and in the Superman movies. It did help retore Superman's powers after his return from death. So if the Eradicator will show up, I think it will be a seperate entity from the Jor-El AI-----unless the crystal contains both the Eradicator & its programming (from the unification of the stones) and the Jor-El AI from Clark's ship & the caves, which downloaded itself into the crystal as well. Perhaps the Eradicator & Jor-El are both fighting for control. Maybe the way I introduced the Eradicator in my fanfics (explained that a part of the Eradicator was built into Clark's ship) will turn out to be similar to how they explain it in the show (if they do this at all). It would be very cool if they continue digging and find Clark's ship buried in the Arctic and explain (like I did in my fanfics) that it caused the crystal to land where it did and that the crystal did not land in that spot to form the FOS by accident.

Here's a page of a thread that has some speculation about the Eradicator:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87942&page=2

[makethings]

I think that was what Clark said to Maxima...

So when the beacon light appeared, Maxima simply saw it and came to earth, but it was not meant for her. But the beacon was meant to be directed toward someone.. and it did not call Clark, then who did it call?

Phantom Zone? Kara? Did that beacon release Lex (if he was trapped in the crystal)?

[clarkbunny]

I thought he said 'the beacon didn't come FROM me' not for me.

Maxima thought that he sent the signal so she came to meet 'the last kryptonian'

Not sure whether the signal may have triggered something else though, it may well have done.

I am surprised that Clark didn't hear the signal though - seeing as it is his crystal. I thought the house of El members could hear the sound of their own crystals?

[makethings]

oops my bad.. ok, it makes more sense now if he said from.

Yeah, so how come he didn't hear his own beacon. It must be calling someone else. Another kryptonian? Eradicator?

[Imzadia]

oops my bad.. ok, it makes more sense now if he said from.

Yeah, so how come he didn't hear his own beacon. It must be calling someone else. Another kryptonian? Eradicator?

:\ It seems as though you are still Missing the Meaning of the use of FROM rather than FOR. The Beacon didn't call any other/Kryptonian. Maxima 'detected' the Kryptonian Beacon coming from Earth. She was hoping to 'mate' with a Kryptonian, since she'd heard of Kryptonians as a child and of the destruction of their planet. She said that she'd Prayed that there were Survivors. ANY Kryptonian was fair game for her. She knew humans were too weak. So, the Beacon was just a Kryptonian Beacon sent out Randomly out into space. When Clark told Maxima that the beacon wasn't sent FROM him, he only meant that he Knew Tess had been the one to Activate the beacon. :)

:rolleyes: However, it IS a Very good question as to 'Why didn't Clark hear the beacon when it was activated as well?' :confused:

[magic]

maybe it's just the way the crystal is supposed to work
if something happens to Kal-El it sends out a signal so that any other Kryptonian survivors who are out there might find it.

[justme_007]

maybe clark was too busy to hear the beacon jajja =>

[clarkbunny]

I was just thinking about the crystal for creating the fortress. It is made out of the three elemental stones that were buried on earth many years ago and contains the knowledge of the Kryptonian civilisation.

My issue is as the crystal was made long before Jor-el was even born how comes he is the artificial intelligence inside the crystal??

My only thought is maybe Jor-el imparted his AI into the crystal when the 3 pieces were forged together in the cave back in Season 4. Otherwise I got nothing!

[TaZeR]

Kryptonian technology is obviously something we could never comprehend and works in mysterious ways how can we explain it...

[wickedwango]

My only thought is maybe Jor-el imparted his AI into the crystal when the 3 pieces were forged together in the cave back in Season 4. Otherwise I got nothing!

That's pretty much right :p

[geminis]

Regarding Clark hearing the beacon; if you remember he and Kara had to actively listen for her ship's beacon. You can't detect something if you don't realize it's there.

And when I saw the rings that surrounded the crystal it made me want to hear "Alert, alert, alert..." a la Superman 2.

Also, it could be something like some sort of assimilation virus to take control of crystals. And don't forget, that Jor-El visited Smallville, he would have been able to program some sort of upload and recognition software for the unification process via the portal in the cave.

[xrayvision]

I was just thinking about the crystal for creating the fortress. It is made out of the three elemental stones that were buried on earth many years ago and contains the knowledge of the Kryptonian civilisation.

My issue is as the crystal was made long before Jor-el was even born how comes he is the artificial intelligence inside the crystal??

My only thought is maybe Jor-el imparted his AI into the crystal when the 3 pieces were forged together in the cave back in Season 4. Otherwise I got nothing!

Yes. This was my theory, which said that Jor-El transferred himself from the cave to the Fire & Air stones in the altar and the Water stone in Lionel's pocket. This is why & how Lionel became his vessel/oracle/etc.

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Regarding Clark hearing the beacon; if you remember he and Kara had to actively listen for her ship's beacon. You can't detect something if you don't realize it's there.

And when I saw the rings that surrounded the crystal it made me want to hear "Alert, alert, alert..." a la Superman 2.

Also, it could be something like some sort of assimilation virus to take control of crystals. And don't forget, that Jor-El visited Smallville, he would have been able to program some sort of upload and recognition software for the unification process via the portal in the cave.

I think the main thing that people are asking is why he didn't hear that ringing in his ear as he did when each of the 3 stones were released from the relics they were enclosed in (the same noise he heard when the octagonal key was trying to get him to place it in the cave wall). I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that the released beacon was not a controlled reaction, but an artificial event that happened as a result of people who don't know what they're doing messing around with the crystal.

Or maybe Jor-El was trying to send a beacon to the Martian Manhunter not knowing that he's out of action.

[xrayvision]

I wonder if they sell those rings at one of those Smallville prop shops. It would be a cool thing to have on a desk.

[ManofSteelo]

This whole crystal business hasn't been touched on so far -- who's got it, and why is it suddenly blue instead of clear? Wasn't this the crystal that created the Fortress, after all?

Bet LANA's got it, and she'll return to Smallville just in time for February Sweeps. Just a thought. :D

[Ray Man]

^How could Lana have it if it didn't say that KK was guest staring in the epi. and we didn't even see her?:rolleyes:

[thebog1]

This thread ~has~ been opened already. See 'Who is the Mysterious X' thread. It has numerous pages by now. Too much spam on these forums of threads that are already open. :(

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Here's the URL to that thread:

'The "Who Is X?" Discussion thread (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100398)'

[shamville]

Chloe must know about crystals ep 1. I think steal from tess to bring back fos and bring back zod or get her memory back.

[cksidekick]

back to the original topic...

i have a little nit-pick about those rings...they are designed to give an optical illusion...but it only works if the object in the middle is stationary...in the movie, Zod and his cohorts were standing still with the rings spinning around them...it makes it look as though the are sort of wobbling thus the optical illusion...

in this case, the crystal was mounted to the rings a was spinning with them...while it was a nice gesture, and quite fun for all of us long time fans, the effect just wasn't the same...

[Vaulkamier]

Was re-watching the previous ep of Smallville and noticed something interesting. If you can freeze frame on the screen when Tess brings up her email, you'll notice a few things. One, the crystal shown has an image inside of it. A "W" with lightning bolts on either tip of the W. Could this be some significance? Wonder Woman? I know they cannot use the name wonder woman due to legal issues, but perhaps Amazons of some type? Also, the Crystal doesn't seem to even be the same shape as the original..

As for X...don't think Brainiac..doesn't need Tess for any reason. Lex? Perhaps..but..what if the Lex that was caught in the destruction of the Fortress was a Brainiac copy who simply is malfunctioning? Or a clone of some type. That would eliminate the need to "Erase the memory" thing once more.

[6-Super-Man -5]

Yeah, I noticed that too, I think it will be explored in future episodes.

[Rhaspodel]

If you wonder if that's a W or a M. Because that crystal can be reversed in some way.

[Blazel]

anyone have a screencap?

[Alpha Coyote]

Here is the image you are talking about.

http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/3974/804smallville1315hp3.jpg

[Blazel]

thanks ;) still stumped though. >.<

[geminis]

As a Wonder Woman fan, the possibility of a nod to her excites me to no end. Unfortunately, even though she would have been around when Jor-El visited the earth and well before, it probably has nothing to do with her. But I'm happy just imagining it.

I don't remember, was the crystal blue when it was first unified and then went to clear? I wonder if the blue could indicate a dormant state?

[Bizarrolover]

I know what it is: it's a V on the bottom with W on top = VolksWagen. Lex is manufacturing german cars and needs to crystal to power the plant.

Now, on a more serious note, I think Lex is behind this. If it's not him, why would someone send an email telling her they have the item they stole from her? Why tell her she's not ready yet? Does that mean that, when she's ready, she can have the crystal back?

[SnowBird]

I was wondering about the color as well. When clark made the fortress, the crystal was clear and now it is blue. I don't think there was any mark in it and now there is one that kinda looks like a top of a head which could represent knowledge with a W shaped lightening in the center. Maybe it has something to do with the content of this crystal which is different from the first crystal...I'm trying to think of what the blue could stand for. The crystal was blue that held Clark's mother's DNA. Blue K takes away Clark's powers. Blue is a Superman color. What could stand for the lightening W? I can't help but think there is some significance to the look of this second crystal over the first one.

[SparkleforSmallville]

The Crystal in Commencement, looked so much cooler! I guess because of CG. But the one that Tess was holding looked too dark and plastic and the shape was too long. they could have at least made it out of Acrylic and shinier:/

Maybe there is some significance, like it is dormant, so not so sparkly an Crystally.

[Billy Jor-El]

Oooh....yes, hadn't thought about Wonder Woman, wonderful idea. I know who could be her, someone with short, blonde hair, a reporter's insight and determination, and the download of Brainiac within..... :D