TV Ratings for "Instinct"

[Routh]

Discuss the television ratings for Instinct here.

[SparkleforSmallville]

We should be able to stay above 4mil. I don't think Smallville will have any trouble being
CW's top rated this week!
DC characters usually do well.:)

[eas]

I hope we're above 4 mil, but I don't have high hopes for a "Hypnotic" type trailer... we'll see what happens.

[Routh]

There is a great possibility of not breaking 4 million tonight, not that it really matters to the CW anyway, since they don't hold much value in the final total viewers.

I'm feeling 3.85. I hope I'm wrong, though.

[myankskent]

I hope we're above 4 mil, but I don't have high hopes for a "Hypnotic" type trailer... we'll see what happens.


Agreed. The trailer was weak. I'm not sure that the Maxima character is going to lure viewers to the tv sets like other DC comics characters have in the past.

[skylar]

I hope to see atleast a 4 something.

[Zeburial]

Hoping for 4mil +. But we'll see.

[ClarkyBoy14]

We're having another DC character, and the trailer makes the episode look really sexy; but there's baseball on FOX, which is going to hurt, and TWC isn't showing about four different CW affiliates right now because of a contract dispute. :\

[RedKRules]

I hope we're above 4 mil, but I don't have high hopes for a "Hypnotic" type trailer... we'll see what happens.

I agree with you!

[silverdragon]

i say maybe not qite 4 mil...maybe a 3.8 or so....although seeing that this episode brings a character from the comics into the mix the ratings might go up...let's keep our fingers cross....

[Supes4Ever]

I predict 3.6 million, but I pray I am wrong. The Phillies and the Dodgers are playing Playoff baseball on Fox during the same time Smallville runs, which will take away a significant chunk of the Los Angeles and Philadelphia markets; which are the 2nd (LA) and 4th (Philly) largest viewing markets for Smallville in it's run on the CW.

[Karafan1]

Smallville was up against game 1 of the NLCS which I'm sure got high ratings in Philadelphia and L.A. but since I'm a disappointed Cubs fan, I didn't contribute to the NLCS ratings, I contributed to the Smallville ratings like I do every week!!

[LexFactor]

I predict between 3.5-3.9 million. I can't see it breaking 4 million but I hope that I'm wrong.

[costas22]

I would say that based on the episode itself it deserves to do better than Toxic.I felt it was the best episode this season.But i don't live in the US and i don't know how the rating will be affected by other programs.Smallville has proven ot can hold it's own.Toxic did well against the debate and it's hype.I would love it if Instinct did over 4

[mof123]

i really hope over 4 i mean come on!!!

[JAMHEXXX]

The CW’s Smallville capped off the 8 p.m. hour with a last-place 2.9/ 5 -- 14 percent below its year-ago overnight performance (3.4/ 5 on Oct. 11, 2007).

[mof123]

what how many bviewers

[shark87]

The CW’s Smallville capped off the 8 p.m. hour with a last-place 2.9/ 5 -- 14 percent below its year-ago overnight performance (3.4/ 5 on Oct. 11, 2007).

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i30ada968e38372550860490ee9dfce27


I think last year ratings were around 5,23 or sth like that. So if you multiply this number with 0.86 the result should be 4,5 million :)

[JAMHEXXX]

Well, last year Cure did 5.06 million for fast nationals. If Instinct was off 14% then Instinct would be around 4.35 million for fast nationals.

Not bad considering it was up against baseball.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

still would make it top rated for the cw tho - right???

And weren't there some big gun shows back last night?

[mof123]

are you guys sure about the ratings

[shark87]

Well, last year Cure did 5.06 million for fast nationals. If Instinct was off 14% then Instinct would be around 4.35 million for fast nationals.


So this is not final number yet?

[JAMHEXXX]

So this is not final number yet?

No, these aren't even fast affiliate numbers. Finals should be out at around 3:00pm central time.

[shark87]

No, these aren't even fast affiliate numbers. Finals should be out at around 3:00pm central time.

Thanx, didn't now. I am new at this:) So, those numbers, do they usually go higher?

[JAMHEXXX]

Thanx, didn't now. I am new at this:) So, those numbers, do they usually go higher?

Could go either way, but typically, Smallville's numbers trend upward with the finals.

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Capping off the 8 p.m. hour was the CW’s Smallville at a typical 4.08 million viewers and a 1.6/ 4 among adults 18-49.

These are fast affiliate numbers, the finals should go up.

[RBRAW32203]

Hey fans.....Smallville 4.08 million viewers!!!!!!!!

[tariksam]

And that "down 14% from lat year" what meant? someone really sucks at math

[JAMHEXXX]

And that "down 14% from lat year" what meant? someone really sucks at math

Yeah, he really does suck at math. His early posts said Smallville received a 2.9 rating, then he says it got a 2.6 rating.

[LexFactor]

Hey fans.....Smallville 4.08 million viewers!!!!!!!!

Like I said, I'm happy to be proved wrong. I didn't think that it would break 4 million.

[psyko69]

Yay, four million!!!

This was a hell of an episode, I'd even go so far as to say best of the season so far.

Top notch all around.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Yay! I'm happy with 4.08 mil.
ANTM final was 3.93 mil. So Smallville is still CW's Top for the week even before the Final rating. Wonder how many top Episodes have to air, before a renewal is a lock? There doesn't seem to be a set formula. I think all the networks are scrambling cause it seems most show's ratings have declined this year!

I agree, an Awesome Episode. When Clark pulled out Lana's necklace, my jaw dropped! Talk about Continuity! All the way back to the Pilot! Love it!:)

[skylar]

4 mil. is what I was hoping for and 4.08 that good.

[geminis]

How (please tell me it was badly) did my archenemies (Gossip Girl, 90210) do in comparison? Even if it was just a smidge, I'm glad Smallville bested Top Model; yay for superheroes trumping skinny women reality competition!

[tariksam]

The same...3.5 GG and 3.05 90210

[geminis]

The same...3.5 GG and 3.05 90210

They're lower than Smallville?? Then I have won! :D

Thanks for the info, tariksam!

[Luiz Fernando]

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[geminis]

Thanks for the details, Luiz Fernando.

Smallville didn't do too badly, and improved slightly from last week IIRC, but poor Supernatural :(; despite being heartwrenching and amazing, they're up against some really stiff competition.

[Kevin24]

Supernatural really took a dip in the ratings.

Smallville is back to 4 million viewers :D

[costas22]

And the best thing about it is episodes like Instinct will help keep the ratings up.Those tuning in for the first time will want to come back for Commited.I just hope they won't expect to see Maxima again next week.

[margroks]

Ratings are down from last year and have steadily declined over the years with occasional exceptions. It shows that relentless pimping of plots no one wants to see, like Chimmey, and attempts to retcon the story and individual characters turn viewers off. Viewers who have watched the show since it began know how characters should be depicted and what they expect to see and they are obviously not afraid to go elsewhere if they are disappointed and bored. If the CW has now decided they want to appeal to younger women they have missed the mark when it comes to the breakdowns in other eps and this will probably be no exception. Basically they're screwing up and ratings are going down compared to other seasons and that is not a good thing.

[myankskent]

Ratings are down from last year and have steadily declined over the years with occasional exceptions. It shows that relentless pimping of plots no one wants to see, like Chimmey, and attempts to retcon the story and individual characters turn viewers off.


Does it? Because I think that losing MR, KK and JG could also impact the ratings this season, but that's just me.

[BadToad]

Really, SV is an 8 year old show. Its changed networks. It gets no promotion essentially. Its not supported by the network its on. Its lost major cast members. The storyline has changed a lot. Its had its budget cut.

I don't know how anyone can expect the ratings not to slide to some degree. I'm actually surprised how well its holding up. If you read about some of the other "big" shows out there, they are hemorraging viewers at a much greater rate then SV, and in far less time, i.e. Heroes.

I knew the ratings would be down this year. It doesn't matter to me, or change how I feel about the show. But I'm proud of my little show for how well its hanging in there.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I'm glad it was over 4 million again, and I believe it's higher than last week too. I hope it goes up in the finals.

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Really, SV is an 8 year old show. Its changed networks. It gets no promotion essentially. Its not supported by the network its on. Its lost major cast members. The storyline has changed a lot. Its had its budget cut.

I don't know who anyone can expect the ratings not to slide to some degree. I'm actually surprised how well its holding up. If you read about some of the other "big" shows out there, they are hemorraging viewers at a much greater rate then SV, and in far less time, i.e. Heroes.

I knew the ratings would be down this year. It doesn't matter to me, or change how I feel about the show. But I'm proud of my little show for how well its hanging in there.

I agree. It would be ridiculous to expect any show in its eight season to have the same amount of viewers it had in its first few seasons.

Like you said, SV has had a lot to endure. The less of several major cast members, the loss of the showrunners, several different timeslots, changing networks, etc. Yet it's still the network's most watched program every week. And that's really all that matters.

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The same...3.5 GG and 3.05 90210

GG was under two million because it was a repeat. :\

[Fallen One]

Viewership is down across the board on just about every show. DVR is becoming more the norm. And a lot of the more "popular" shows on much bigger networks have taken a hit in the ratings 10 times as much as Smallville has lost.

So for Smallville to maintain a rating over 4 is testement to their loyal viewers and the show for putting out quality content to keep them hooked.

Smallville is the only show on the CW that has stayed above a 4.0 rating every single week of this season. Every other one has dipped into the 3s. That is a big accomplishment, and anyone that puts that down is just looking for something to complain about.

Smallville is the absolute last show on the CW that should be getting criticised.

[THE"Lurker"]

Really, SV is an 8 year old show. Its changed networks. It gets no promotion essentially. Its not supported by the network its on. Its lost major cast members. The storyline has changed a lot. Its had its budget cut.

I don't know who anyone can expect the ratings not to slide to some degree. I'm actually surprised how well its holding up. If you read about some of the other "big" shows out there, they are hemorraging viewers at a much greater rate then SV, and in far less time, i.e. Heroes.

I knew the ratings would be down this year. It doesn't matter to me, or change how I feel about the show. But I'm proud of my little show for how well its hanging in there.

As am I BadToad as am I. I still look at it like this even tho Smallville is down from previous years it still is CW's #1 show. Hell this year its even beating out ANTM:cool: And with everything else going against this show (ie the network and 3 major actor/actresses leaving) i'd say these ratings are a major accomplishment:cool:

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Viewership is down across the board on just about every show. DVR is becoming more the norm. And a lot of the more "popular" shows on much bigger networks have taken a hit in the ratings 10 times as much as Smallville has lost.

So for Smallville to maintain a rating over 4 is testement to their loyal viewers and the show for putting out quality content to keep them hooked.

Smallville is the only show on the CW that has stayed above a 4.0 rating every single week of this season. Every other one has dipped into the 3s. That is a big accomplishment, and anyone that puts that down is just looking for something to complain about.

Smallville is the absolute last show on the CW that should be getting criticised.

Amen. brotha:cool:

[bizzaroboy9]

final number yet?
way to go smallville!

[individuall]

Finals

Smallville
- 4.119 million viewers
- 2.6/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 1.5/5 A18-34

[bizzaroboy9]

4.12 million is awesome!
keep up the trend smallville!

[ClarkyBoy14]

Thanks for posting the finals! :)

It's great that it got a nice little bump with the finals, and we had a nice increase from last week, even with the baseball competition.

I think next week could do well also, because baseball won't be on.

[geminis]

GG showed a repeat? More power us! It seems that people start not watching a show after repeats start airing. Kind of like they forget a show exists. Smallville has the nonstop airing of shows through November in it's favor. I'll think about next year next year.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ 4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ 4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ 4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ 4.12 mil.

Looking good:)

[myankskent]

Really, SV is an 8 year old show. Its changed networks. It gets no promotion essentially. Its not supported by the network its on. Its lost major cast members. The storyline has changed a lot. Its had its budget cut.

I don't know how anyone can expect the ratings not to slide to some degree. I'm actually surprised how well its holding up. If you read about some of the other "big" shows out there, they are hemorraging viewers at a much greater rate then SV, and in far less time, i.e. Heroes.

I knew the ratings would be down this year. It doesn't matter to me, or change how I feel about the show. But I'm proud of my little show for how well its hanging in there.

ITA. Once again, I'm going to have some fun with Supernatural here since this show is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips according to some. If it's so great, then why is it still losing out in the ratings department to a Smallville show in it's 8th season that has just lost 3 major characters? What exactly does that say about Supernatural on this network? That it should be cancelled because it has no shot at beating a garbage Smallville show on the CW? I'd love to hear the answer to those questions.

Do I think that Smallville is a brilliantly written show? Absolutely not. It's just as flawed as any other show out there but the ratings speak for themselves. If you're going to keep all of these other shows on the air that are not even coming close to Smallville's numbers as far as the ratings are concerned, then IMO, the last show on this crappy network that should be torn apart is Smallville from a ratings standpoint.

[Supes4Ever]

I have NEVER been so happy to be proven wrong! Those numbers are excellent, wonderful, amazing....pretty much any positive word you can think of!!

I have to ask an honest question, and I hope I don't break the rules by doing this in regards to not talking about other Forums. However, a lot of the Chloe fans seem to be angry at the last episode. Over on TWOP, a lot of the viewers are saying some of the WORST things I have ever heard about the writers (on top of the blatant bullcrap about Lois sleeping her way into getting her job, which ISN'T TRUE as much as I do not like Lois myself or ANY of the 'ships), and saying that Chloe fans will leave in droves, thus dragging down the ratings numbers. With the vast number of "1" ratings the episode got on our Forum, and the number of people who have joint accounts on TWOP and Kryptonsite posting over here, do you think this is ACTUALLY possible??

All the evidence is based on hearsay- The number of angry viewers on TWOP and some over here on Kryptonsite, the number of viewers who have joint accounts from there posting over here, and the large amount of "1" ratings the last episode got on our Forum. So is there a possibility that an underground rumbling could spark a drop in viewers more then losing all the main characters the last 3+ seasons has??

I don't want that to happen, because I have been here since Episode 1 of Season 1 for Clark/Superman, and I would like to see Clark's journey to the endpoint of being one of the world's greatest hero's go out with a HUGE bang and lots of viewers.

[Smallville6]

Yay! Staying above 4 mil! Go SV!!

[Estro-gen X]

Its strange for me to see 4 million get considered great. I'm a brit and a doctor who fan. This year's finale for that show reached 13 million in the UK alone, weekly is gets between 6-8 million viewers. America is so big you would think that the ratings would be huge even for a 5th channel like the CW. its very bizarre

[ClarkyBoy14]

I have NEVER been so happy to be proven wrong! Those numbers are excellent, wonderful, amazing....pretty much any positive word you can think of!!

I have to ask an honest question, and I hope I don't break the rules by doing this in regards to not talking about other Forums. However, a lot of the Chloe fans seem to be angry at the last episode. Over on TWOP, a lot of the viewers are saying some of the WORST things I have ever heard about the writers (on top of the blatant bullcrap about Lois sleeping her way into getting her job, which ISN'T TRUE as much as I do not like Lois myself or ANY of the 'ships), and saying that Chloe fans will leave in droves, thus dragging down the ratings numbers. With the vast number of "1" ratings the episode got on our Forum, and the number of people who have joint accounts on TWOP and Kryptonsite posting over here, do you think this is ACTUALLY possible??

All the evidence is based on hearsay- The number of angry viewers on TWOP and some over here on Kryptonsite, the number of viewers who have joint accounts from there posting over here, and the large amount of "1" ratings the last episode got on our Forum. So is there a possibility that an underground rumbling could spark a drop in viewers more then losing all the main characters the last 3+ seasons has??

I don't want that to happen, because I have been here since Episode 1 of Season 1 for Clark/Superman, and I would like to see Clark's journey to the endpoint of being one of the world's greatest hero's go out with a HUGE bang and lots of viewers.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking...

Are you asking if we think that the disgruntled TWOP fans are the cause of all the "1" ratings in the "Loved It? Hated It?" thread? Because if so, then yes, I do. I would be surprised if there wasn't some puppeting going on as well.

Or are you asking if we think that they're responsible for the dip in viewers from seasons past to this one? That's a bit hard to say. It could be a factor, but, looking at the numbers that the other CW shows are doing, I think it's just a general decline in the CW's total viewer number.

[Mr.Magic]

Its strange for me to see 4 million get considered great. I'm a brit and a doctor who fan. This year's finale for that show reached 13 million in the UK alone, weekly is gets between 6-8 million viewers. America is so big you would think that the ratings would be huge even for a 5th channel like the CW. its very bizarre

Two things to consider.
- Not everyone in the US can watch The CW.
- Smallville is the scripted show with the highest rating on The CW.

[Supes4Ever]

I'm not quite sure what you're asking...

Are you asking if we think that the disgruntled TWOP fans are the cause of all the "1" ratings in the "Loved It? Hated It?" thread? Because if so, then yes, I do. I would be surprised if there wasn't some puppeting going on as well.

Or are you asking if we think that they're responsible for the dip in viewers from seasons past to this one? That's a bit hard to say. It could be a factor, but, looking at the numbers that the other CW shows are doing, I think it's just a general decline in the CW's total viewer number.

Sorry, should have been more clear on my end. However, you did get part one of the question right, I am asking that.

What I was asking in terms of the ratings, is that they are "threatening" to stop watching, and have claimed that ALL the Chloe/Chlark fans will now jump ship from the show after what happened in "Instinct," particularly with the complaints about how the "Fever" letter was brought up. So do you believe that this type of "underground grumbling" as I like to call ALL claims made on Forums, including this website about what certain fans will do, could possibly cause a drop in the ratings for the rest of the season? I personally don't think it is possible, but there seems to be heavy grumbling on that Forum and here on Kryptonsite (granted by some of the same people who are on BOTH forums).

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Sorry, should have been more clear on my end. However, you did get part one of the question right, I am asking that.

What I was asking in terms of the ratings, is that they are "threatening" to stop watching, and have claimed that ALL the Chloe/Chlark fans will now jump ship from the show after what happened in "Instinct," particularly with the complaints about how the "Fever" letter was brought up. So do you believe that this type of "underground grumbling" as I like to call ALL claims made on Forums, including this website about what certain fans will do, could possibly cause a drop in the ratings for the rest of the season? I personally don't think it is possible, but there seems to be heavy grumbling on that Forum and here on Kryptonsite (granted by some of the same people who are on BOTH forums).

I don't see it myself. It would take organization on a massive scale accross the US :rolleyes: And not everyone tunes in for ships or is on a message board to begin with. A few hundred dropping off at once would be a flash in the pan.

So pleased to see SV holding steady in season eight. And with continued good eppys I think people may in fact come back having lost faith/got bored in previous seasons - might even make up for the loss of a few hundred :p. It's the kind of show I've been waiting years for ;) But time will tell I guess...

[liana]

Sorry, should have been more clear on my end. However, you did get part one of the question right, I am asking that.

What I was asking in terms of the ratings, is that they are "threatening" to stop watching, and have claimed that ALL the Chloe/Chlark fans will now jump ship from the show after what happened in "Instinct," particularly with the complaints about how the "Fever" letter was brought up. So do you believe that this type of "underground grumbling" as I like to call ALL claims made on Forums, including this website about what certain fans will do, could possibly cause a drop in the ratings for the rest of the season? I personally don't think it is possible, but there seems to be heavy grumbling on that Forum and here on Kryptonsite (granted by some of the same people who are on BOTH forums).

If we go by what some chlarkers have been saying in TWoP and here on ksite, then we have to assume that some of them are not watching the season live, because they claimed they wouldn't watch it until Prey, because they wanted to boycott Clark and Lois partnership. I really don't know if they are watching or not, because I do get confused sometimes, because some of them say they are not watching, and then threat to stop watching, and I just don't know any more. :confused: Whatever they decide or not, they are in their right to not watch the show, if they don't like it any more.

However, there is one thing I do believe: Internet fandom is just a little bit of the big amount of SV fans, and you can't even say that they represent the whole, because they don't. If you were going to believe everything posted in the Internet, Lois and Lana would be the most hated characters ever in the history of television, because for the longest time, the Internet fandom has been about Chloe. But if Chloe was the only reason for people to watch the show, why did SV lose a great part of the fandom, last season, when Chloe was around, Lois almost didn't appear, and Lana was in a "comma"? And let's not forget that last season Chloe's screentime was second only to Clark, and she was the great savior, even responsible for Brainiac destruction.

My point is that most viewers don't watch because of one ship or another. Most of them also like all 3 girls, and they know that Clark ends with Lois. They watch the story when it is interesting. Last season, the story wasn't interesting at all, and it was a pity, because it was MR last. :( This season things are changing, and the story is getting better. Clark is a lot more independant, and he is actually gaining control of his life.

What I mean to say with this very long post is that I don't believe that SV will suffer that much because of the Fever letter at all, as sorry as I am for the chlarkers because of it. :(

[eas]

ITA. Once again, I'm going to have some fun with Supernatural here since this show is supposed to be all that and a bag of chips according to some. If it's so great, then why is it still losing out in the ratings department to a Smallville show in it's 8th season that has just lost 3 major characters? What exactly does that say about Supernatural on this network? That it should be cancelled because it has no shot at beating a garbage Smallville show on the CW? I'd love to hear the answer to those questions.

Do I think that Smallville is a brilliantly written show? Absolutely not. It's just as flawed as any other show out there but the ratings speak for themselves. If you're going to keep all of these other shows on the air that are not even coming close to Smallville's numbers as far as the ratings are concerned, then IMO, the last show on this crappy network that should be torn apart is Smallville from a ratings standpoint.

Aw, poor "Supernatural"... that's an awesome show, let's not pick on it.

But, to use the same example, I can explain why: "Smallville" is based on an existing mythology and in it's peak, it used to attract 7-8 mil viewers. (This was also the WB's peak.)

"Supernatural" came out at a time when the WB wasn't doing well and merged into the CW. And, consistently, it has never gotten any love or promotion from the WB or the CW. Smallville - back in the day - had billboards all over the world and it was everywhere. And the 4 million viewers we still get are - I think - a legacy from that time.

"Supernatural" never had that initial surge, so it's never going to be at the same level. If you compare "BSG" (one of the most brilliant shows ever made) to "SV" then you'd see that "BSG" didn't even have "SV" type numbers in the beginning. It took massive promotion and critical love to get it to where it is today... and "SN" doesn't have either of those.

But, quality wise, "SN" is a superior show.

[geminis]

I love both shows, Smallville and Supernatural. Supernatural is a much darker show that doesn't have the cache of Superman behind it. Also, if you look at what is playing opposite, you'll see the multi-pronged attack juggernauts of: CSI, Gray's Anatomy, the Office, AND a Dodgers/Phillies game. It's amazing that Supernatural does as well as it has, all those things in consideration. Smallville doesn't have quite the competition in it's time slot. Plus, the CW isn't a major network and refuses to advertise either show.

Supernatural is all that and a bag of chips; it's dark and intelligent and funny and tormented and unexpected and well acted and shows a family who loved each other and two brothers who truly care about each other. But most people aren't going to give it a chance because of the subject matter. Horror may be all that in the movies, but not on tv. Supernatural is also way too adult. Most parents wouldn't let their children watch a show like that and horror is not as accepted in the mainstream. Just like Battlestar, because of it's sci-fi/fantasy elements and Smallville, because of it's comic book roots, anything other than sit-coms and dramas will always be dismissed and denigrated. And it's the loss of the mainstream public for their insulated attitude.

Nowadays, reality tv shows can pull better numbers than scripted shows. People don't have to patience to sit through sci-fi or horror and would complain that it's too complicated or too boring.

[SnowBird]

I have tried to watch SN but it's way too dark for me. I like the actors and wish them much success in the future.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Sorry, should have been more clear on my end. However, you did get part one of the question right, I am asking that.

What I was asking in terms of the ratings, is that they are "threatening" to stop watching, and have claimed that ALL the Chloe/Chlark fans will now jump ship from the show after what happened in "Instinct," particularly with the complaints about how the "Fever" letter was brought up. So do you believe that this type of "underground grumbling" as I like to call ALL claims made on Forums, including this website about what certain fans will do, could possibly cause a drop in the ratings for the rest of the season? I personally don't think it is possible, but there seems to be heavy grumbling on that Forum and here on Kryptonsite (granted by some of the same people who are on BOTH forums).

All right. :)

I really don't think so.If you count up all the people that say that they're going to stop watching, will it even equal fifty? I'm not sure, because I really don't pay attention to them. But even if there are hundreds saying that they'll stop watching, it won't matter if none of them have ratings boxes. And if some of them actually have ratings boxes, how many are just blowing smoke about not watching just so that people will think they're "awesome rebels against a television show" or something?

[MeKa]

But, quality wise, "SN" is a superior show.

Absolutely.

[JAMHEXXX]

But, quality wise, "SN" is a superior show.

That's your opinion, don't post it as a fact because it isn't a fact.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ 4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ 4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ 4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ 4.12 mil.

Looking good:)


That's great, we're up from last week.

I'll always be a fan of Smallville but SN is great as well. Not as soapy as SV was getting. SV seems to have rinse off a little this year. ;)

[Jaderoyale]

Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ 4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ 4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ 4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ 4.12 mil.

Looking good:)

Oh this is good.
Thank heavens it did better than Toxic though :p

[ClarkyBoy14]

But, quality wise, "SN" is a superior show.

Do you mean writing quality or visual quality? Because I think SV definately has SN beat in the quality of cinematogrophy. Writing wise, I think SN is more consistent and has fewer plotholes (but let's also remember SN is also only in S4), but I still prefer my SV. :)

[Kevin24]

If the ratings stay above 4 million does that mean we might get signed for a ninth season?

[BadToad]

I think there are a lot of variables to be considered before we start thinking the numbers are good enough for renewal. The biggest being Tom Welling, and what he decides to do. And if he doesn't re-sign, will they move ahead without him (which is madness)? Also, what will the CW's situation be next season? And while SV is getting the biggest amount of butts in the seats, is it getting enough teen and tween girls to keep Dawn happy? So far, its the CW's oldest skewing show, and Dawn hates the old! Then you have to wonder if it finincially feasible for the SV team to continue. Will they get another budget cut? Can they make the show they want with less money then they've had since S1? And if Tom does come back, that means a raise. Can they afford to give him more money and keep the cast they have?

So, I think there's a lot to consider, and its probably was too early for TPTB to be making a definitive decision.

But that doesn't change the fact that SV is still putting more people in front of the television then any other CW show, to include Dawn's pet projects, and that makes me :D

[THE"Lurker"]

I think there are a lot of variables to be considered before we start thinking the numbers are good enough for renewal. The biggest being Tom Welling, and what he decides to do. And if he doesn't re-sign, will they move ahead without him (which is madness)? Also, what will the CW's situation be next season? And while SV is getting the biggest amount of butts in the seats, is it getting enough teen and tween girls to keep Dawn happy? So far, its the CW's oldest skewing show, and Dawn hates the old! Then you have to wonder if it finincially feasible for the SV team to continue. Will they get another budget cut? Can they make the show they want with less money then they've had since S1? And if Tom does come back, that means a raise. Can they afford to give him more money and keep the cast they have?

So, I think there's a lot to consider, and its probably was too early for TPTB to be making a definitive decision.

But that doesn't change the fact that SV is still putting more people in front of the television then any other CW show, to include Dawn's pet projects, and that makes me :D

ITA BadToad:D:cool: Its not just the #1 scripted show right now its the overall #1 show on the CW and as far as the future is concerned [season 9] we probably wont hear much about until these first 10 episodes are done showing:cool:

[6-Super-Man -5]

If the ratings stay above 4 million does that mean we might get signed for a ninth season?

If we continue to stay in the 4 millions and maybe higher, we'll defiantly get a ninth season, although I believe CW and PS3 have talked and we already gotten one, I'm just waiting until they announce it, although I am really hoping we hear more about S9 in the coming weeks. But I'm pretty sure the most we are gonna hear about a ninth season is during the hiatus after the first 10 episodes, and I'm so eagar to get a ninth season, as well as PS3! :)

[eas]

I think there are a lot of variables to be considered before we start thinking the numbers are good enough for renewal. The biggest being Tom Welling, and what he decides to do.

On of the things to consider with Welling re-signing is that they'll probably try to get him to sign a multi-year deal. They aren't going to just say, "Sign on for S9 and then we'll talk again next year...". These networks are notorious for using their actors as much as possible, for as little as possible. Back when "Gilmore Girls" was being re-negotiated for a final season, this was an issue that the two leads had... they were being asked to sign a multi-year and they just couldn't do it. All the risk would fall on the actors and not on the network - they could basically fire the actors whenever they wanted (by cancelling the show) and the actors couldn't quit if they wanted. So, no deal was reached and "GG" ended rather abruptly.

That's my biggest fear with "SV" -- that they continue to play around with Welling until the bitter end and by the time the final decision is made, there are, like, only 2 episodes left of S8 and the series finale is terrible.

[Kevin24]

On of the things to consider with Welling re-signing is that they'll probably try to get him to sign a multi-year deal. They aren't going to just say, "Sign on for S9 and then we'll talk again next year...". These networks are notorious for using their actors as much as possible, for as little as possible. Back when "Gilmore Girls" was being re-negotiated for a final season, this was an issue that the two leads had... they were being asked to sign a multi-year and they just couldn't do it. All the risk would fall on the actors and not on the network - they could basically fire the actors whenever they wanted (by cancelling the show) and the actors couldn't quit if they wanted. So, no deal was reached and "GG" ended rather abruptly.

That's my biggest fear with "SV" -- that they continue to play around with Welling until the bitter end and by the time the final decision is made, there are, like, only 2 episodes left of S8 and the series finale is terrible.

Now I'm going to have nightmares. :(

[cloisthelegendbegins]

On of the things to consider with Welling re-signing is that they'll probably try to get him to sign a multi-year deal. They aren't going to just say, "Sign on for S9 and then we'll talk again next year...". These networks are notorious for using their actors as much as possible, for as little as possible. Back when "Gilmore Girls" was being re-negotiated for a final season, this was an issue that the two leads had... they were being asked to sign a multi-year and they just couldn't do it. All the risk would fall on the actors and not on the network - they could basically fire the actors whenever they wanted (by cancelling the show) and the actors couldn't quit if they wanted. So, no deal was reached and "GG" ended rather abruptly.

That's my biggest fear with "SV" -- that they continue to play around with Welling until the bitter end and by the time the final decision is made, there are, like, only 2 episodes left of S8 and the series finale is terrible.

Now THATS depressing :(

I'm hoping cos the producers have been talking about a season nine since Comic Con and because they've already stated they've asked the network for the time they would need for a six episode arc to wrap things up (I think it was six) that they have been sounding out TW and negotiations may already have begun so they know what's happening by the time they're sitting down to write the last six eppys of the season. :o Optimist bench for me ;)

[superhippie2000]

glad smallville did a bit better this week :D

[smallvillerocks45]

Do you mean writing quality or visual quality? Because I think SV definately has SN beat in the quality of cinematogrophy. Writing wise, I think SN is more consistent and has fewer plotholes (but let's also remember SN is also only in S4), but I still prefer my SV. :)

I'm with you on this one.

Smallville's cinematography is stunning, although it's true that SN has been a bit more consistent in writing. Yet, even though I like Supernatural a lot, I can skip an episode or two and comfortably catch up later - if I miss an episode of Smallville, well, that's just not an option. I still prefer *my* Smallville, too.

----Back on topic, though ---- :o
I'm really happy to see that Smallville's ratings are holding strong. Even though I don't have a Neilson's rating box on my TV set, I'd still like to think that in some small way, I am contributing to the show's ratings.

[costas22]

Ratings have been great this season.We are virtually talking about a new show.All you have to do is look at this year's cast compared to last season's.It has been altered approximately by 50%.On the topic of a potential ninth season.I agree that it would be terrible if they left Tom's renewal at the last minute thus hindering the season 8 finale.It happened with Michael Rosenbaum this season.I don't believe that what happened in Arctic is what was planned for Lex all along.Finally i would like to bring something to everyone's attention.I have read in other websites about a potential SAG strike later in the fall.Will that have an affect on the ratings (the WAG strike hurt the show last season)?Or will it hinder talks about a season 9?

[Fly by guy]

Higher rating than last week? So does that mean people would rather see more aliens, more elevator kisses, more Clois banter, or less Ollie-ntric stories? Hm, more scantily clad women or shirtless Ollie. I vote "whose the next bimbo" to appear.
Even as popular as Lex was, generally those eppies that went HEAVY Lex didn't get the ratings. Remember how great Oynox was but the numbers were near the bottom for the season.
Instinct did better than last week but the numbers will never see the "fives" again except maybe the finale. JMHO.

[eas]

Now I'm going to have nightmares. :(

Ooops... sorry!

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That's your opinion, don't post it as a fact because it isn't a fact.

Uh... OK... I figured the "imo" was sort of implied, but since you're being a bit senstive and all... Sure, "MY OPINION is that "SN" is a better show. This "opinion" is also backed up by pretty much every major television critic in the known universe."

There, is that a little better? ;)

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Do you mean writing quality or visual quality? Because I think SV definately has SN beat in the quality of cinematogrophy. Writing wise, I think SN is more consistent and has fewer plotholes (but let's also remember SN is also only in S4), but I still prefer my SV. :)

Actually, I prefer SN's cinematogrophy... it's difficult to compare, though, really because "SV" deliberately fiddles around with their's... with the major amp up of primary colors and the way the red/yellow light is so extreme. "SN" is a very dark show, so they're more in the grays and blacks.

I actually didn't even realize how stark and beautiful some of the "SN" shots were until I got an HD TV. And I didn't realize how bright "SV" was until then, either. :lol:

What I like about "SN" is that it's not too soapy... there is no "multiple" shipping arcs bogging down the main plot. More action and more character development.

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Now THATS depressing :(

I'm hoping cos the producers have been talking about a season nine since Comic Con and because they've already stated they've asked the network for the time they would need for a six episode arc to wrap things up (I think it was six) that they have been sounding out TW and negotiations may already have begun so they know what's happening by the time they're sitting down to write the last six eppys of the season. :o Optimist bench for me ;)

So sorry... didn't mean to freak people out. I just follow TV stuff avidly (I'm a huge entetainment junkie) and I read pretty much everything about the "GG" negotiations because I was a huge "GG" fan.

In this particular case, I'm not sure what will happen... they certainly waited until the last minute with Mack. And Rosenbaum didn't announce his departure until we only a few episodes left of S7, did he? I certainly felt that Lex's descent was done a lot more swiftly than it should have been and it was hastened by MR's exit.

In this case, I'm hoping that TW decides not to play ball and announces - early on - that he won't renew for an extra season or so. That would allow them to negotiate a spin-off series or what-not & wrap up Clark's storyline well.

[skully]

Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ 4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ 4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ 4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ 4.12 mil.

Looking good:)A consistent core of 4 mill. Go you good thing. :)

[iamcloisfan]

yah...consistent...this is truly looking good!

[myankskent]

And while SV is getting the biggest amount of butts in the seats, is it getting enough teen and tween girls to keep Dawn happy? So far, its the CW's oldest skewing show, and Dawn hates the old!


That may very well be, but I would doubt that Dawn is in a position to cancel Smallville at this point because of that fact mainly because the CW is in a really bad place right now and the newer shows are not doing the job. I can totally understand Dawn cancelling Smallville because the audience has gotten older if the other shows were drawing 4 million plus viewers every week along with great numbers in the key demos, or if Smallville were getting ratings similar to the other shows without the great key demos numbers. I know that Dawn is regarded as an idiot, but I don't think that she is dumb enough to get rid of the highest rated scripted show on the network in this desperate time for the CW. There are other shows that need to go way before Smallville, IMO.

[Best Episode - 321]

Live+ 7 ratings for week of September 22-28 (Episode 2) are in:

SMALLVILLE....................4.782 million
AMERICA’S TOP MODEL.....4.571
GOSSIP GIRL...................3.731
SUPERNATURAL...............3.619
ONE TREE HILL................3.558
90210............................3.525
PRIVILEGED.....................2.143



http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/13...-increase/6113

[eas]

^ Well, she got rid of "GG"... she wouldn't 'play ball' with Lauren Graham and negotiate her contract properly. She got rid of "Veronica Mars" even though it had higher ratings than any other show that's taken it's place.

The fact is that she IS an idiot.

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Live+ 7 ratings for week of September 22-28 (Episode 2) are in:

SMALLVILLE....................4.782 million
AMERICA’S TOP MODEL.....4.571
GOSSIP GIRL...................3.731
SUPERNATURAL...............3.619
ONE TREE HILL................3.558
90210............................3.525
PRIVILEGED.....................2.143



http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/13...-increase/6113


AWESOME.... something tells me that "Priveleged" is going to be cancelled soon.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Live+ 7 ratings for week of September 22-28 (Episode 2) are in:

SMALLVILLE....................4.782 million
AMERICA’S TOP MODEL.....4.571
GOSSIP GIRL...................3.731
SUPERNATURAL...............3.619
ONE TREE HILL................3.558
90210............................3.525
PRIVILEGED.....................2.143



http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/13...-increase/6113

ALRIGHT!!!! GO SMALLVILLE!!! :D

[ClarkyBoy14]

That's my biggest fear with "SV" -- that they continue to play around with Welling until the bitter end and by the time the final decision is made, there are, like, only 2 episodes left of S8 and the series finale is terrible.

Well, they've said that they have two arcs for the end of the season -- one incase a S9 is ordered and one incase S8 is the last -- so I really hope that they use the alternate arc if S9 doesn't happen.

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^ Well, she got rid of "GG"... she wouldn't 'play ball' with Lauren Graham and negotiate her contract properly. She got rid of "Veronica Mars" even though it had higher ratings than any other show that's taken it's place.

The fact is that she IS an idiot.

But VM was always at the bottom of the ratings list when it was on; Dawn couldn't have known that the shows that took the place of VM would underperform it. :\

SV is in about the same boat as GG was in a couple of years ago. Ratings warrant another season, but it all rests on Tom. I'm kind of hoping he says no, because I would like them to end this season with a bang. Unless, of course, PS3 prove that they can keep this season as awesome as it has been and have great ideas for next season.

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Live+ 7 ratings for week of September 22-28 (Episode 2) are in:

SMALLVILLE....................4.782 million
AMERICA’S TOP MODEL.....4.571
GOSSIP GIRL...................3.731
SUPERNATURAL...............3.619
ONE TREE HILL................3.558
90210............................3.525
PRIVILEGED.....................2.143



http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/13...-increase/6113

Sweet! :D Thanks for posting them! I hope it stays like this.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ 4.34 mil
#2 Plastique ~ 4.18 mil.
#3 Toxic ~ 4.05 mil.
#4 Instinct ~ 4.12 mil.

Looking good:)

So, Odyssey went from Final=4.34 to Live+7=4.80 mil. and
Plastique went from 4.18 to 4.78 mil.

That's Awesome!
I would really like to see SV break 5 mil. Maybe Epi.#8 or Epi.#11 will do it!

[6-Super-Man -5]

That's Awesome!
I would really like to see SV break 5 mil. Maybe Epi.#8 or Epi.#11 will do it!

Yeah, and maybe future episodes as well.
I can sense a Season Nine, lets hope Season Eight averages 4 or 5 million, because I think a ninth season is very possible and I really want one!

[Kevin24]

It's good to know I'm not the only one hoping for a Season 9. There is so much potential left on the show I don't want it to end now!

[6-Super-Man -5]

It's good to know I'm not the only one hoping for a Season 9. There is so much potential left on the show I don't want it to end now!

Yeah, and I'm very confident our hopes will come true.

[eas]

Well, they've said that they have two arcs for the end of the season -- one incase a S9 is ordered and one incase S8 is the last -- so I really hope that they use the alternate arc if S9 doesn't happen.

That's what I'm hoping. I guess, though, it all comes down to timing. I'm hoping that these folks have learned from the mistakes of their past & that they start talking to Welling earlier rather than later.


But VM was always at the bottom of the ratings list when it was on; Dawn couldn't have known that the shows that took the place of VM would underperform it. :\

True... I guess I'm still bitter. LOL... I will say, however, that she did know that she had a weak roster going into that Fall season. She could have green-lit the "VM in the FBI" series and re-launched it. It would have been cheaper and would have probably gotten higher ratings than anything else on the CW. But, instead, she chose to completely change her target demographic & any show that didn't look like "Gossip Girl" was no longer on her list.

She's running this network to the ground -- no small feat, given that it was already on the ground and they had no where to go but up.


SV is in about the same boat as GG was in a couple of years ago. Ratings warrant another season, but it all rests on Tom. I'm kind of hoping he says no, because I would like them to end this season with a bang. Unless, of course, PS3 prove that they can keep this season as awesome as it has been and have great ideas for next season.

I'm conflicted about this, myself. On the one hand, I want Welling to say 'no', because I'm ready for the show to go out on top & to see Welling in other projects. On the other hand, if they can give me S8-quality in S9, then I would VERY happy to keep watching.

It does all come down to Welling, though. Let's see what he decides. I remember when "Charmed" was going off the air... They did S8 and they all called it quits. Two of the girls had been on the show since S1 & they even said that they'd given most of their 20s to the show and they just couldn't keep doing it anymore. They were ready to move on and take a break. I think it's going to be the same with Welling... he started when he was about 22 and now he's in this 30s. He's been working at this job for his whole 20s, pretty much. I'm sure he's ready to start doing other projects... directing and stuff.

[stenochick]

When I was watching Instinct on my local CW affiliate, they ran an ad that said that my local CW affiliate was the number one CW affiliate in the US based on overall ratings, and number one in their coveted 18-34 year-old women demo.

I did not know whether to be proud or embarassed, but realized that my city is doing its part to keep Smallville and SN on the air. So, on behalf of the city of Jacksonville, Florida, "You're welcome!"

[cloisthelegendbegins]

When I was watching Instinct on my local CW affiliate, they ran an ad that said that my local CW affiliate was the number one CW affiliate in the US based on overall ratings, and number one in their coveted 18-34 year-old women demo.

I did not know whether to be proud or embarassed, but realized that my city is doing its part to keep Smallville and SN on the air. So, on behalf of the city of Jacksonville, Florida, "You're welcome!"

:rotfl: Thank you Jacksonville, Florida! Keep up the good work ;)

[ClarkyBoy14]

Here's how "Instinct" ranked in total viewership for the week of Monday, October 6, 2008 - Sunday, October 12, 2008 on the CW:

1. Smallville - 4.12 million
2. America's Next Top Model - 3.94
3. Supernatural - 3.15
4. 90210 - 3.12
5. Priviliged - 2.29
6. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.82
7. The Game - 1.80
8. 90210 (R) - 1.78
9. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.70
10. Priviliged (R) - 1.55
11. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.40
12. Valentine - 1.02
13. In Harm's Way - 0.77
14. Easy Money - 0.75

And here's the season averages so far in total viewership for the CW:

1. Smallville (4 episodes) - 4.16 million
2. America's Next Top Model (7) - 3.95
3. Gossip Girl (5) - 3.43
4. Supernatural (4) - 3.35
5. 90210 (7) - 3.30
6. One Tree Hill (5) - 3.29
7. Priviliged (4) - 2.24
8. Everybody Hates Chris (2) - 1.91
9. The Game (2) - 1.88

I didn't count ratings, and I'm not going to take the time to average out the CW's Sunday offerings because they're just too low.

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That's what I'm hoping. I guess, though, it all comes down to timing. I'm hoping that these folks have learned from the mistakes of their past & that they start talking to Welling earlier rather than later.

I really hope so too.


True... I guess I'm still bitter. LOL... I will say, however, that she did know that she had a weak roster going into that Fall season. She could have green-lit the "VM in the FBI" series and re-launched it. It would have been cheaper and would have probably gotten higher ratings than anything else on the CW. But, instead, she chose to completely change her target demographic & any show that didn't look like "Gossip Girl" was no longer on her list.

She's running this network to the ground -- no small feat, given that it was already on the ground and they had no where to go but up.

I wasn't so fond of VM's third season or the FBI pilot (although I thought the first two seasons were great), but I agree that Dawn has ran the CW into the ground. She's made several bad decisions, and won't admit that she's wrong. She also cancelled waaaaaay too many shows in the first season (7th Heaven, Hidden Palms, All of Us, Gilmore Girls, Veronica Mars, Runaway, Reba, etc. She left too many holes to fill, and it has really hurt the network. Now, Fridays and Sundays are completely dead.


I'm conflicted about this, myself. On the one hand, I want Welling to say 'no', because I'm ready for the show to go out on top & to see Welling in other projects. On the other hand, if they can give me S8-quality in S9, then I would VERY happy to keep watching.

That's true. If they do end up going with a S9, I would like for them to really explore Tess's Injustice League (or whatever it is) and have a big fight with the JL, and I would like for them to really get into the DP more as well. Have more team-ups between Clark, Lois, and Jimmy, try to get Michael McKean back, and possibly introduce Cat Grant.


It does all come down to Welling, though. Let's see what he decides. I remember when "Charmed" was going off the air... They did S8 and they all called it quits. Two of the girls had been on the show since S1 & they even said that they'd given most of their 20s to the show and they just couldn't keep doing it anymore. They were ready to move on and take a break. I think it's going to be the same with Welling... he started when he was about 22 and now he's in this 30s. He's been working at this job for his whole 20s, pretty much. I'm sure he's ready to start doing other projects... directing and stuff.

That's true.

[eas]

When I was watching Instinct on my local CW affiliate, they ran an ad that said that my local CW affiliate was the number one CW affiliate in the US based on overall ratings, and number one in their coveted 18-34 year-old women demo.

I did not know whether to be proud or embarassed, but realized that my city is doing its part to keep Smallville and SN on the air. So, on behalf of the city of Jacksonville, Florida, "You're welcome!"

:rotfl:

Just make sure y'all go out and vote on November 4th & don't sit at home watching the CW!!

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----


Here's how "Instinct" ranked in total viewership for the week of Monday, October 6, 2008 - Sunday, October 12, 2008 on the CW:

1. Smallville - 4.12 million
2. America's Next Top Model - 3.94
3. Supernatural - 3.15
4. 90210 - 3.12
5. Priviliged - 2.29
6. Gossip Girl (R) - 1.82
7. The Game - 1.80
8. 90210 (R) - 1.78
9. Everybody Hates Chris - 1.70
10. Priviliged (R) - 1.55
11. America's Next Top Model (R) - 1.40
12. Valentine - 1.02
13. In Harm's Way - 0.77
14. Easy Money - 0.75

Wow, cool, thanks for that.

You know what this means, don't you? It means that the CW will think that promos with tongue = ratings. Just lovely. :\

[Best Episode - 321]

Live +7 for Instinct are in:

SMALLVILLE......................4.706
AMERICA’S TOP MODEL........4.380
90210..............................3.741
SUPERNATURAL..................3.604
PRIVILEGED......................2.597

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/10/28...ncrease-2/7033


Live +7 Week by Week
Odyssey . . . . . 4.804
Plastique. . . . . 4.782
Toxic . . . . . . . 4.614
Instinct. . . . . . 4.706

[BadToad]

Wow, these numbers are so steady. It seems like the folks that came back for S8 are staying put. Cool :)

[Doctor Who]

Eh? Smallville is the CW's top scripted show. Is it just me or the CW is being blind that Smallville got better ratings than other shows and also their demographic targets are men and women?

[SparkleforSmallville]

Eh? Smallville is the CW's top scripted show. Is it just me or the CW is being blind that Smallville got better ratings than other shows and also their demographic targets are men and women?

It's not just you.:) CW is being blind when it comes to Smallville:/